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Steffica Greles
Feb 14th, 2010, 11:48 PM
I remember following the scores for this match on teletext when I was but a boy! That final game seemed to take forever, and then finally, 6-4 to ASV in the final set. Amazing win.

Now, finally, I can view it. Praise the lord for youtube! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPt4i8rgZyg&feature=related

It really did a lot to change perceptions of Arantxa, this win. She'd already been a finalist at the US Open a couple of years earlier (defeating Graf along the way), so it was no massive surprise. But she was no longer 'the bridesmaid', or a claycourt specialist. This triumph saw her ascend to no.1 in the world soon afterwards, and prove she could win slams on a faster surface.

It's true that her game was nothing 'special', but her charisma somehow made her game - and her matches - more interesting. She wore her heart on her sleeve, and gave everything she had at all times. She was the pluckiest street fighter there's ever been in women's tennis.

Incidentally, she reached 8 out of 12 slam finals in 1994-1996. Out of 12 slam finals in total.

SAISAI-GOAT
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:03 AM
she plays like Caro Wozniacki :spit:

Steffica Greles
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:07 AM
she plays like Caro Wozniacki :spit:

Maybe, but with a hundred times the bottle.

Randy H
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:09 AM
she plays like Caro Wozniacki :spit:

Wozniacki would be lucky to play like Sanchez-Vicario...She has yet to show the kind of all-court ability that Arantxa possessed in her repertoire, and that is what set Arantxa apart from players like Amanda Coetzer, Caroline Wozniacki (so far...still young, so lots of time to develop her game even more), and so many others who have great defensive skills but lacked some of the on-court game to be able to change things up and keep their opponents that extra bit off balance.

Steffica Greles
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:28 AM
Wozniacki would be lucky to play like Sanchez-Vicario...She has yet to show the kind of all-court ability that Arantxa possessed in her repertoire, and that is what set Arantxa apart from players like Amanda Coetzer, Caroline Wozniacki (so far...still young, so lots of time to develop her game even more), and so many others who have great defensive skills but lacked some of the on-court game to be able to change things up and keep their opponents that extra bit off balance.

:kiss:

FaceyFacem
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:32 AM
I LOVE ARANTXA!!! i own this match on DVD, but remember we had a family reunion with like 30 people at my house when the final was on, and I was watching (at age 10) and almost started crying when Arantxa lost the first 6-1, and then running around the house so excited when she won the 2nd... my cousin said "steffi's way better, arantxa's got nothing" and i was so upset again... and then she closed it out!

great win for Arantxa, so crucial to her drive to #1, and rivals her 1998 french as her most special win

Dave.
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:33 AM
I love this match, and not just for Rennae Stubbs featuring late in the first set. :hearts:

Graf 'could not be playing any better' but no way was that going to discourage Arantxa. Some will say her game wasn't much but she could stay with and beat Graf at her best. Another reason why it's pointless to put an asterix on Graf's post-93 career, because Arantxa's heart alone was more than enough competition to "validate" Graf's mid-90's success IMO. Arantxa is ridiculously overshadowed by the whole Graf vs Seles thing. And this match exhibits Sanchez's all-court game in all it's glory. I don't know how one could watch it and say her game was nothing special (maybe, perhaps other ones she played but not this one).

:o at the Wozniacki comparison. I don't see any way they are alike sorry. Wozniacki doesn't have any of Sanchez's tactical knowledge, ability and all-court game. We see in this match Sanchez changing up her game, coming in, being aggressive, hitting screaming backhand winners, flattening out the forehand, slicing, lobs. Where do we ever see that from Wozniacki? :shrug:

Apoleb
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:36 AM
This was the first match I ever watched from start to finish, and I already had a favorite. :lol: My perception of it back then (I was 6 or something) was that Steffi was playing GOAT tennis before her back was gone. :tape: Need to rewatch it again I guess.

Steffica Greles
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:47 AM
I don't know how one could watch it and say her game was nothing special

Oh ASV was very special! I just meant that there was nothing per se about her game which would have made one marvel. But you're absolutely right, before Hingis there probably wasn't a player who was as proficient in all areas of the court. It's scandalous the way her game is written off.

You don't get to all the slam finals at least twice, win titles on all surfaces, reach a YEC final on carpet, be twice a Miami winner AND an all-time great doubles player with nothing to hurt with. Oh, and reach number one.

The Dawntreader
Feb 15th, 2010, 12:50 AM
:o at the Wozniacki comparison. I don't see any way they are alike sorry. Wozniacki doesn't have any of Sanchez's tactical knowledge, ability and all-court game. We see in this match Sanchez changing up her game, coming in, being aggressive, hitting screaming backhand winners, flattening out the forehand, slicing, lobs. Where do we ever see that from Wozniacki? :shrug:

Exactly. It's ludicrous. It's like all those 122376899 threads saying Kirilenko/Chakvetdaze/Wozniacki plays like Hingis. Some comparisons just lose credibility almost instantly.

As for this one, it'd be like comparing a Zebra to a Donkey.

Sha_ra_po_va
Feb 15th, 2010, 01:30 AM
This was one (of about 5 matches) that steffi should never have lost - I knew the writing was on the wall after the tie-break. good scrambling/retrieving by sanchez, but to me she was not much more than an annoying little terrier who could bite you somedays, but was ultimately harmless...and she had dubious sportswomanship, too.

moby
Feb 15th, 2010, 01:41 AM
Which mid-90s match are you going to rediscover next, Steffica? :p

I would suggest Martinez-Navratilova.

spiceboy
Feb 15th, 2010, 01:44 AM
You can see at minute 01:08 Gabriel Urpí, who was Arantxa's coach at the time, now taking care of Flavia.

spiceboy
Feb 15th, 2010, 01:47 AM
Which mid-90s match are you going to rediscover next, Steffica? :p


Anyone, we''ll be grateful for that :hearts: :worship:

raquel
Feb 15th, 2010, 11:25 PM
I remember following the scores for this match on teletext when I was but a boy! That final game seemed to take forever, and then finally, 6-4 to ASV in the final set. Amazing win.

Now, finally, I can view it. Praise the lord for youtube! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPt4i8rgZyg&feature=related

It really did a lot to change perceptions of Arantxa, this win. She'd already been a finalist at the US Open a couple of years earlier (defeating Graf along the way), so it was no massive surprise. But she was no longer 'the bridesmaid', or a claycourt specialist. This triumph saw her ascend to no.1 in the world soon afterwards, and prove she could win slams on a faster surface.

It's true that her game was nothing 'special', but her charisma somehow made her game - and her matches - more interesting. She wore her heart on her sleeve, and gave everything she had at all times. She was the pluckiest street fighter there's ever been in women's tennis.

Incidentally, she reached 8 out of 12 slam finals in 1994-1996. Out of 12 slam finals in total.
Thanks Steffica ;) I haven't seen this in too long! ASV :hearts:

raquel
Feb 15th, 2010, 11:30 PM
Just watched that last part again and love that ASV won this title, and remember Steffi being gracious in defeat there at the net. Steffi was the better player but she had a lot of respect for Arantxa.

spencercarlos
Feb 15th, 2010, 11:37 PM
I love this match, and not just for Rennae Stubbs featuring late in the first set. :hearts:

Graf 'could not be playing any better' but no way was that going to discourage Arantxa. Some will say her game wasn't much but she could stay with and beat Graf at her best. Another reason why it's pointless to put an asterix on Graf's post-93 career, because Arantxa's heart alone was more than enough competition to "validate" Graf's mid-90's success IMO. Arantxa is ridiculously overshadowed by the whole Graf vs Seles thing. And this match exhibits Sanchez's all-court game in all it's glory. I don't know how one could watch it and say her game was nothing special (maybe, perhaps other ones she played but not this one).

:o at the Wozniacki comparison. I don't see any way they are alike sorry. Wozniacki doesn't have any of Sanchez's tactical knowledge, ability and all-court game. We see in this match Sanchez changing up her game, coming in, being aggressive, hitting screaming backhand winners, flattening out the forehand, slicing, lobs. Where do we ever see that from Wozniacki? :shrug:
Sorry but i bet to disagree. Steffi was visibl limited especially in that third set. Kudos for Arantxa to still play agressive at the net and won most of the key points up there. But there is no doubt that when Steffi was "ON" her zone Arantxa had very little to do in the outcome of their matches. Like most...

spencercarlos
Feb 15th, 2010, 11:42 PM
Oh ASV was very special! I just meant that there was nothing per se about her game which would have made one marvel. But you're absolutely right, before Hingis there probably wasn't a player who was as proficient in all areas of the court. It's scandalous the way her game is written off.

You don't get to all the slam finals at least twice, win titles on all surfaces, reach a YEC final on carpet, be twice a Miami winner AND an all-time great doubles player with nothing to hurt with. Oh, and reach number one.
Yeah indeed. Arantxa was all guts, and determination, huge mentally, probably in the top 5 greatest minds ever IMO. She and Steffi is probably the greatest comparisson to the Federer-Nadal rivary we have seen since 2004. Overall Nadal being the more complete player, but Nadal huge mentality has been able to derail Federer´s all court game at some crucial and important times.

No wonder Arantxa was able to beat Graf twice at Roland Garros and twice at the Usopen.

tennisIlove09
Feb 16th, 2010, 12:03 AM
Amazing. If only she had won the 95 Wimbledon :drool:

Dementieva_Dude
Feb 16th, 2010, 12:30 AM
ASV :hearts:

Amazing! Any comparison to Wozniacki is shameful :o

Sam L
Feb 16th, 2010, 09:59 AM
It was great to see ASV come back from the smoking she got in the AO94 final and in the first set of this match. I remember being so ecstatic when I found out she won (I didn't watch this match live).

I'm not sure but I think ASV was equal in H2H against Graf in 94. It was really the year that laid the foundations for her success in 95-96. It's a shame that she didn't get a French or Wimbledon in those years.

LCS
Feb 16th, 2010, 10:36 AM
Vintage tennis :hearts:

Nicolás89
Feb 16th, 2010, 07:24 PM
she plays like Caro Wozniacki :spit:

She wasn't going to win playing like Na. :shrug:

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 16th, 2010, 08:58 PM
Irony of ironies.

By your standard today, Steffica, ASV would be pudgy.

Steffica Greles
Feb 16th, 2010, 10:52 PM
Irony of ironies.

By your standard today, Steffica, ASV would be pudgy.


Her legs were pure muscle. She ran twice as far in some matches as her opponents, so she needed to be build of brick, as she was.


She worked extremely hard on the court and is among the fastest women about the court of all time. Arantxa without her speed would have been nothing.


So I'd always give her the benefit of the doubt.


A slobova like Kuznetsova, of similar build, I'm less inclined to, because she plays some matches like she isn't interested.

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 16th, 2010, 11:52 PM
...like Kuznetsova, of similar build...

This was my only point.

I don't need any convincing about ASV's fitness. I was simply comparing the build. She wasn't ALL solid muscle either.

As for Kuz', while you'll get no argument from me regarding her lack of interest, I think a distinction has to be made in their playing styles. You can't criticize Kuz' for not running like ASV. That's not her game.

Steffica Greles
Feb 16th, 2010, 11:57 PM
This was my only point.

I don't need any convincing about ASV's fitness. I was simply comparing the build. She wasn't ALL solid muscle either.

As for Kuz', while you'll get no argument from me regarding her lack of interest, I think a distinction has to be made in their playing styles. You can't criticize Kuz' for not running like ASV. That's not her game.

Kuzza's game is actually to run. I wouldn't think of her as someone who dictates. Hits big shots, but hits most of them on the run, and they loop for her opponents to crunch them.

LightWarrior
Feb 17th, 2010, 12:14 AM
ASV was so boring to watch. What a little ungracious cow.

Randy H
Feb 17th, 2010, 12:17 AM
ASV was so boring to watch. What a little ungracious cow.

Sounds like you're the ungracious one, not appreciating the excitement Arantxa's fighting spirit brought to the game :wavey: :p

Havok
Feb 17th, 2010, 04:34 AM
If all the new talent had an ounce of Arantxa's fighting spirit!:tape:

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 17th, 2010, 05:56 AM
Kuzza's game is actually to run. I wouldn't think of her as someone who dictates. Hits big shots, but hits most of them on the run, and they loop for her opponents to crunch them.
I don't think Kuz' game is to run. I think she's capable of it be SHE wants to dictate, not counter punch, and she has big weapons (albeit she uses them less than she did in her initial USO run, much to my disdain) but doesn't pull the trigger on them as often as she used to. I think, overall, since her USO title, she's hitting with too much topspin, but when she flattens it out, she hits as big as anyone on tour. ASV definitely wasn't capable of that, imho, nor did she seem to want to be.

LDVTennis
Feb 17th, 2010, 07:21 AM
Sorry but i bet to disagree. Steffi was visibl limited especially in that third set. Kudos for Arantxa to still play agressive at the net and won most of the key points up there. But there is no doubt that when Steffi was "ON" her zone Arantxa had very little to do in the outcome of their matches. Like most...

After the injury timeout, I knew it was over. It was a credit to Steffi that she took ASV to 6-4 in the third set.

Shame really, Steffi played well in that first set, then the back spasms came.

After this match, there were all kinds of questions about Steffi's future. There was talk of surgery on her back, which would have ended her career.

The next year, she skipped the AO. No one knew for sure when she would be back. Out of nowhere, Steffi accepted a wildcard at the Paris Indoors. She beat Pierce, the recent AO champion, in the final.

She would go on to win the remaining three majors, winning epic struggles against ASV in both the French Open and Wimbledon.

LDVTennis
Feb 17th, 2010, 07:30 AM
Irony of ironies.

By your standard today, Steffica, ASV would be pudgy.

ASV wasn't pudgy! I watched her up close at La Costa a number of times.

ASV came from a very athletic family. She was as athletic as her brothers.

Chet
Feb 17th, 2010, 09:07 AM
One wonders what might have happened if......