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hugo2004
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:38 PM
We could have Henin and Federer in the Estoril Open this year! Best tournament ever. And Michelle of course.

VIKA?
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:39 PM
ohmy:rolls:

hugo2004
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:41 PM
ohmy:rolls:

http://www.record.xl.pt/noticia.aspx?id=a30e7d74-59bd-411d-8434-eb7fc4986256&idCanal=00001744-0000-0000-0000-000000001744

You can use the google translater if you want, lol.

Morisicki
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:42 PM
What the?? :confused: Why the heck would she choose Estoril over Rome :rolleyes:

Monzanator
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:43 PM
The same why Sharapova chose Memphis over Dubai. Because she can.

VIKA?
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:43 PM
http://www.record.xl.pt/noticia.aspx?id=a30e7d74-59bd-411d-8434-eb7fc4986256&idCanal=00001744-0000-0000-0000-000000001744

You can use the google translater if you want, lol.

didn't say I don't believe you and I speak Portuguese;)

jimbo mack
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:43 PM
wow, would be great for the event

i'm not surprised she's opted to miss rome, a tournament she's been avoiding since losing the final to her biggest rival in 02

SoClose
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:44 PM
:eek:

José Morgado
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:46 PM
Amazing

goldenlox
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Does this tournament have a rich owner?
That sounds expensive.

Mightymirza
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:51 PM
:lol: Justine always avoids playing Rome

hugo2004
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:57 PM
Does this tournament have a rich owner?
That sounds expensive.

Joćo Lagos is the owner. The money is not all, he negotiate with other factors.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:58 PM
wow, would be great for the event

i'm not surprised she's opted to miss rome, a tournament she's been avoiding since losing the final to her biggest rival in 02

:eek: really?

jimbo mack
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:02 PM
justine played in estoril once in the past, back in 2001. at that time she had recently broken in the top 20 and reached the semis

she has only ever played rome once also, in 02 where she looked so pissed after losing to serena in the final

she always favoured berlin and warsaw over rome for some reason?? personally i would much favour rome lol

LoLex
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:02 PM
:spit:

Henin and her problems.

moby
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:10 PM
justine played in estoril once in the past, back in 2001. at that time she had recently broken in the top 20 and reached the semis

she has only ever played rome once also, in 02 where she looked so pissed after losing to serena in the final

she always favoured berlin and warsaw over rome for some reason?? personally i would much favour rome lolThe woman in your signature hardly ever played Rome.

Rome just plays different from Roland Garros. The clay is livelier, faster(?) and kicks up more. Players who "dominated" Rome since the 90s: Sabatini, Martinez, Mauresmo.
Total RG titles: 0 ... of course, part of the reason these players were good at Rome were because Graf and Henin rarely played there.

It's not a good warm-up in that sense.

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That said, she might be playing Estoril to have an "easy" week before Madrid. Her usual routine in the past was to play Warsaw and Berlin, and have 2 weeks off before the French Open starts. The Roadmap has Madrid (the new Berlin, so to say) just 2 weeks before the French, so a player that goes deep will only have one week off. If Justine were to play Rome, and go far in both Rome and Madrid and Roland Garros... she would have played 4 out of 5 weeks against very difficult fields by the end of the second week of RG. Unwise if she plans to lift up the Coupe Suzanne Lenglen.

Personally, I would rather she play Stuttgart and Rome, skipping Madrid. But as I said before, I don't think Rome replicates playing conditions at RG well at all.

latte
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:14 PM
:spit:

Henin and her problems.

:spit:

Seems like Jelena has more problems, no grand slam, only 1 final in all the years she's played :spit: :haha: and has played Henin 10 times and hasn't won once :rolls:, plus Jelena was one of the worst no. 1's ever, so I'd say Jelena has more problems than Justine :lol:

Grand Slams - Henin 7 - Jelena 0 :bounce:
Matches won - Justine 10 - Jelena 0 :bounce:

:spit:

joćo.
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:17 PM
:spit:

ce
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:25 PM
:spit:

Seems like Jelena has more problems, no grand slam, only 1 final in all the years she's played :spit: :haha: and has played Henin 10 times and hasn't won once :rolls:, plus Jelena was one of the worst no. 1's ever, so I'd say Jelena has more problems than Justine :lol:

Grand Slams - Henin 7 - Jelena 0 :bounce:
Matches won - Justine 10 - Jelena 0 :bounce:

:spit:

go hide under a rock :hug:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:27 PM
:spit:

Seems like Jelena has more problems, no grand slam, only 1 final in all the years she's played :spit: :haha: and has played Henin 10 times and hasn't won once :rolls:, plus Jelena was one of the worst no. 1's ever, so I'd say Jelena has more problems than Justine :lol:

Grand Slams - Henin 7 - Jelena 0 :bounce:
Matches won - Justine 10 - Jelena 0 :bounce:

:spit:

and they say serena fans are pathetic for doing this :spit:

jj = :inlove:

sammy01
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:35 PM
i don't blame her. rome sucks, crap crowds each year and sucky matches,

The Witch-king
Feb 12th, 2010, 05:05 PM
And i want to eat some bread. Big deal. :smoking:

The Witch-king
Feb 12th, 2010, 05:08 PM
:spit:

Seems like Jelena has more problems, no grand slam, only 1 final in all the years she's played :spit: :haha: and has played Henin 10 times and hasn't won once :rolls:, plus Jelena was one of the worst no. 1's ever, so I'd say Jelena has more problems than Justine :lol:

Grand Slams - Henin 7 - Jelena 0 :bounce:
Matches won - Justine 10 - Jelena 0 :bounce:

:spit:

oh my... So much haterade you could use it are deodorant

thrust
Feb 12th, 2010, 05:15 PM
Is Madrid manditory? If not, she should skip it as it is too close to Paris. She probably gets good appearance money in Portugal and less competition. She does not to play many matches to do well in Paris.

jimbo mack
Feb 12th, 2010, 05:49 PM
The woman in your signature hardly ever played Rome.

Rome just plays different from Roland Garros. The clay is livelier, faster(?) and kicks up more. Players who "dominated" Rome since the 90s: Sabatini, Martinez, Mauresmo.
Total RG titles: 0 ... of course, part of the reason these players were good at Rome were because Graf and Henin rarely played there.

well the woman in my signature, as u put it, was german so naturally she would choose berlin and hamburg over rome.

and as for ur three examples, they did not win the french open because a) they were not good enough b) mental midgets/chokers

plenty of rome champions have won the french, such as evert, seles and serena..so ur theory really holds no validity whatsoever

Uranium
Feb 12th, 2010, 05:51 PM
Player Forum.

Mynarco
Feb 12th, 2010, 06:09 PM
MLDB is Like a bye this year

moby
Feb 12th, 2010, 06:20 PM
well the woman in my signature, as u put it, was german so naturally she would choose berlin and hamburg over rome.

and as for ur three examples, they did not win the french open because a) they were not good enough b) mental midgets/chokers

plenty of rome champions have won the french, such as evert, seles and serena..so ur theory really holds no validity whatsoeverRome is not mutually exclusive from Hamburg and Berlin. If Graf had wanted to play Rome, she would have been able to do so without sacrificing her German tournaments.
As it is, Warsaw (aka new Hamburg) and Berlin usually featured the best clay-courters deep in the draw, like Sveta, Ana (when she was good), and Nadia.

On your second point:
1) Serena has won two red clay titles in her life. Rome 02 and RG 02. I think we can conclude that she was just so damn good in 2002 that surface didn't matter. She could have played on ice or in space and still won.
2) Seles has won Rome, but in two of her RG victories, she lost to Sabatini in the lead-up at Rome. In 1990, she was virtually unbeatable on clay (and she also won Berlin that year IIRC). The second time she won was post-stabbing... how many RG titles did she win post-stabbing again?
3) Evert beat most people most of the time everywhere, and especially on clay.

I think a better argument would be that the dominating forces at RG (Graf and Henin) tended to play Berlin instead of Rome, allowing weaker players to sneak out victories at Rome... hmmm...

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I thought it's fairly common knowledge that the clay at different arenas play differently. Roland Garros is pretty fast for a clay court. Berlin is slightly slower. Warsaw is extremely slow. Rome is "lively".

On the men's side, Hamburg was the clay court that bites spin the least, and the damp conditions make the court slower (hence Roger's many successes there) - it is also the "worst" predictor for RG victory. I remember Rafa saying that he couldn't get the ball to kick up because the clay was dead. Monte Carlo on the other hand plays very similarly to Roland Garros and is the "best" predictor.

Player Forum.No. The point of this thread is not Henin, but the Estoril Open.
Maybe tournament subforum.

Wojtek
Feb 12th, 2010, 06:28 PM
:spit:

Henin and her problems.
the only problem here is you

Shinjiro
Feb 12th, 2010, 06:41 PM
I thought it's fairly common knowledge that the clay at different arenas play differently. Roland Garros is pretty fast for a clay court. Berlin is slightly slower. Warsaw is extremely slow. Rome is "lively".

On the men's side, Hamburg was the clay court that bites spin the least, and the damp conditions make the court slower (hence Roger's many successes there) - it is also the "worst" predictor for RG victory. I remember Rafa saying that he couldn't get the ball to kick up because the clay was dead. Monte Carlo on the other hand plays very similarly to Roland Garros and is the "best" predictor.

No. The point of this thread is not Henin, but the Estoril Open.
Maybe tournament subforum.
There was a good thread about the MC/RG similarities on MTF. What about the women? What tournament is the closest to RG in terms of balls/court conditions?

DefyingGravity
Feb 12th, 2010, 06:53 PM
There was a good thread about the MC/RG similarities on MTF. What about the women? What tournament is the closest to RG in terms of balls/court conditions?

I feel as though the women haven't had a REALLY good one, but if I had to say...it would most likely be the Berlin German Open...it's nearly the same line of lattitude as Paris, but I don't know as much about the clay. And also, the winner/finalist of Berlin did well at RG for the most part.

2000: Martinez (finalist at RG)
2001: Mauresmo (I feel as though she didn't play, or if she did, she did very poorly)
2002: Henin d. Serena (Serena won RG)
2003: Henin-Hardenne (Henin wins RG)
2004: Mauresmo (loses a potentially winnable match to Dementieva)
2005: Henin (Henin wins RG)
2006: Petrova (injured, loses opening round of RG)
2007: Ivanovic (finalist at RG)
2008: Safina (finalist, losing to the previous champ Ivanovic)

Not to say the winner of Rome didn't do well either...Jankovic got a semi in 2007 and 2008 after winning Rome. And Clijsters and Henin back to back won Warsaw in 2006 and 2007, Clijsters getting a semi, and Henin winning both years at RG.

Mistress of Evil
Feb 12th, 2010, 07:07 PM
Lena dislikes Rome for some reason as well.

Black Dog
Feb 12th, 2010, 10:55 PM
Joćo Lagos is the owner. The money is not all, he negotiate with other factors.

I said it on MTF by the time Federer confirmed his presence and I say it here again: all the credit to this man. He makes marvels out of nothing... Even if Justine ends up playing somewhere else, her interest is something fantastic. And knowing that Kolya is already some sort of household name, you add Blake and puff... yet another magic trick by Joćo Lagos.

Привет
Feb 12th, 2010, 11:03 PM
The 'And Michelle of course' just makes me :haha:.