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croat123
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:25 PM
The quality of matches this week has, on average, easily been the best so far this season. Yes, the points are quicker, but that's because players can actually hit winners on carpet.

Mynarco
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:28 PM
I think it's enough. Paris, Stuttgart(Is it still Indoor Clay?), Moscow, Luxembourg, Linz.

Women's tennis needs more Grass tourny OTOH

sammy01
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:37 PM
I think it's enough. Paris, Stuttgart(Is it still Indoor Clay?), Moscow, Luxembourg, Linz.

Women's tennis needs more Grass tourny OTOH

it is not enough, there is way too many outdoor harcourts these days. some of the best tournaments that were indoors are gone and it is sad because indoor tennis can be great. it also is great for t.v audiences and the crowd as tennis is deffinately happening not waste of air time rain delays.

Szavay #1
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:38 PM
I think it's enough. Paris, Stuttgart(Is it still Indoor Clay?), Moscow, Luxembourg, Linz.

Women's tennis needs more Grass tourny OTOH

agree with both! :yeah:

Mynarco
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:38 PM
^ true. But it would be difficult since the organizers need to find an indoor arena.

By the way, is Tokyo still indoor?

sammy01
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:40 PM
^ true. But it would be difficult since the organizers need to find an indoor arena.

By the way, is Tokyo still indoor?

it has a maincourt with a roof, but it is classed as outdoor.

more grass would be great but it aint happening, wimbledon wont move and neither will the french.

Sund7101
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:41 PM
I miss Tokyo Indoors :sad:

Otlichno
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:42 PM
Yeah, the quality of tennis has been great, but I think it's more of the players playing well than the court. Last year's Paris tournament's matches still don't beat this season's Paris matches. Because even through the last few tournaments I feel that there are DEFINITELY more matches with more winners than UE's.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:53 PM
definately need more
WTA one indoor event, Paris and next week Memphis
ATP had Zagreb last week, San Jose and Rotterdam this week, next week Marseille and Memphis (plus they have 6 weeks or so indoor tennis at end of yr plus YEC)

Caipirinha Guy
Feb 11th, 2010, 02:56 PM
If anyone wants to organize an indoor tournament, please make it in Poland. We have more indoor arenas than outdoor ones ;) + our girls play their best tennis indoors :)

LoLex
Feb 11th, 2010, 05:02 PM
I think it's enough. Paris, Stuttgart(Is it still Indoor Clay?), Moscow, Luxembourg, Linz.

Women's tennis needs more Grass tourny OTOH

I don't really think the tour needs more grass tournaments. On grass we have always a lot of injuries. That's the worst surface to play tennis. WTA was much more fascinating with the longer indoor season, especially in autumn. We were discussing this topic on GM several times last year. Lepizig-Filderstadt-Moscow-Zurich-Linz-Philadelphia... 5 or 6 weeks of great tennis plus MM events in Bratislava and Luxembourg. Then we had after Australian Open - Tokyo PPO, Paris and Antwerp. Now we have downgraded Moscow, Linz and this Paris event. :tape: So sad that all these economic factors forced WTA to get rid of indoor tournaments.

hellas719
Feb 11th, 2010, 05:52 PM
Definitely! :hearts:
Bring back Zurich and Antwerp, make Moscow P5, and add indoor tournaments in a lot of countries without tournaments like Serbia, Croatia, Greece, Belarus, Ukraine, Slovakia, ... and maybe add a MM in Russia :)
Greece has many indoor arenas, especially from the Olympics but even before that and even in other cities ;)

Golovinjured.
Feb 11th, 2010, 05:58 PM
I can't grasp the concept of indoor clay.

The Witch-king
Feb 11th, 2010, 06:15 PM
I can't grasp the concept of indoor clay.

:awww: :hug: i'll explain. They put a bunch of dirt in a building and made people play tennis on it. :shrug: Get it now?

The Witch-king
Feb 11th, 2010, 06:17 PM
Ja Ja

Nicolás89
Feb 11th, 2010, 06:20 PM
Totally agree, I think if the season would have more indoor events it would benefit the S&V players in that way we could actually see one around? :shrug:

alwayshingis
Feb 11th, 2010, 06:23 PM
Agreed. Indoor tennis is so satisfying to watch - I think it has to do with the echo of the ball.

Tokyo indoors :hug: best tournament ever...

AdeyC
Feb 11th, 2010, 06:50 PM
Bring back Brighton tournament :-)

PLP
Feb 11th, 2010, 07:19 PM
I think it's enough. Paris, Stuttgart(Is it still Indoor Clay?), Moscow, Luxembourg, Linz.

Women's tennis needs more Grass tourny OTOH

Yes, but more of both would be ideal.
I love carpet courts, fun to watch and it isn't the same stress on the body as hard courts. But, yes, at least 1 or 2 more grass court tournament would really help the quality of play at Wimbledon, and make it seem like there was actually a grass season as opposed to a shadow of one.

Ryan
Feb 11th, 2010, 07:33 PM
I'd do indoors straight from Aussie Open to IW/Miami.

Have 2-3 weeks of Euro/North American indoor events, and then have Dubai indoors too.

Caipirinha Guy
Feb 11th, 2010, 07:34 PM
Dubai indoors? :lol: how?

Golovinjured.
Feb 11th, 2010, 07:36 PM
The Asian/European swing at the end of the year should all be indoors.

Linz, Zurich, Moscow, Seoul, Tokyo, Beijing etc. and YEC

Alizé Molik
Feb 11th, 2010, 07:38 PM
it is not enough, there is way too many outdoor harcourts these days. some of the best tournaments that were indoors are gone and it is sad because indoor tennis can be great. it also is great for t.v audiences and the crowd as tennis is deffinately happening not waste of air time rain delays.

exactly. The level of tennis this week does have a lot to do with this surface. Some of the faster in door courts in the past pretty much allowed any girl who could hit flat to smash winners. IMO it's the perfect surface for women's tennis, which is why it's so sad that they're getting rid of all of the indoor tournaments!

crazillo
Feb 11th, 2010, 07:56 PM
It used to be even better around 2000ish, when we even had some CARPET tournaments...

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 11th, 2010, 07:56 PM
Dubai indoors? :lol: how?

its not that hard to find someone to build an indoor stadium, they probably got some already.

croat123
Feb 11th, 2010, 08:04 PM
I'd do indoors straight from Aussie Open to IW/Miami.

Have 2-3 weeks of Euro/North American indoor events, and then have Dubai indoors too.
agreed, except i would push back IW/Miami by, say, two weeks so that there can be a bit of a warm up (maybe reschedule some of the fall california tournaments). but it really should be all indoors carpet after AO and again after the USO.

wally1
Feb 11th, 2010, 08:18 PM
Matches have been good this week because the courts are quite fast. Women's tennis is by far at its best on quick courts, be they indoor or grass, as it's easier for them to hit winners, and they tend to play with more variety. That's one reason the women's tournament at RG has been really poor for as long as I can remember.

Slutati
Feb 11th, 2010, 08:26 PM
:awww: :hug: i'll explain. They put a bunch of dirt in a building and made people play tennis on it. :shrug: Get it now?
OMG how hilare!!!!1!!!!111!

Dave.
Feb 11th, 2010, 08:39 PM
I say scrap the whole Doha YEC, Tokyo being outdoors, Beijing as a Mandatory at the end of the year and bring back the good old European Indoor season. All those tourneys like Zurich, Linz, Essen, Leipzig, Brighton, Moscow, Filderstadt, Stuttgart, Tokyo etc. all had great venues and they were usually full of people. And there were some good American indoor events too. The YEC should be Indoors too. Not just Indoor, but Carpet.


I just can't believe what was usually the best part of the season has been totally scrapped for a bunch of yet more hardcourt tournaments (most with the exact same colour scheme :o) with empty stadiums.

Women's tennis is probably at it's best indoors, and they've pretty much eliminated it. Both the early season and end of season Indoor seasons need to be reinstated.

sammy01
Feb 11th, 2010, 08:54 PM
another thing is the roadmap is meant to help prevent injuries, but indoor carpet and sprayed on board is much softer on the body than yet more hardcourts.

playing 70% of the year on hardcourts is really not going to help stop injuries.

DomenicDemaria
Feb 11th, 2010, 09:15 PM
What women's tennis needs is players with more variety, who move well and who can keep the ball in play for a longer amount of time. Every womens match I watch in the wind wind is poor because they dont have the control to keep the ball into play.

Kipling
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:57 PM
it is not enough, there is way too many outdoor harcourts these days. some of the best tournaments that were indoors are gone and it is sad because indoor tennis can be great. it also is great for t.v audiences and the crowd as tennis is deffinately happening not waste of air time rain delays.

I agree. I think all of the various surfaces should get a more or less equal schedule. You can definitely tell that different players excel on different surfaces, and it woud fascinating to see how the rankings would change season to season if indoor and grass had as many tourneys as HC and clay. I would like to see a dedicated indoor season with a series championship like in the old days. February in the northern hemisphere is mostly too cold for tennis anyway.

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 11th, 2010, 11:29 PM
I say scrap the whole Doha YEC, Tokyo being outdoors, Beijing as a Mandatory at the end of the year and bring back the good old European Indoor season. All those tourneys like Zurich, Linz, Essen, Leipzig, Brighton, Moscow, Filderstadt, Stuttgart, Tokyo etc. all had great venues and they were usually full of people. And there were some good American indoor events too. The YEC should be Indoors too. Not just Indoor, but Carpet.


I just can't believe what was usually the best part of the season has been totally scrapped for a bunch of yet more hardcourt tournaments (most with the exact same colour scheme :o) with empty stadiums.

Women's tennis is probably at it's best indoors, and they've pretty much eliminated it. Both the early season and end of season Indoor seasons need to be reinstated.

Philadelphia was a great indoors tourni.
It was one of my favorite tournis because Mauresmo always seemed to do well there.
The good olde days. :sad:

tennismaster8820
Feb 11th, 2010, 11:37 PM
Yeah definitely women's tennis need more indoor tournaments, quality is much better and most players love it too.
This week is great example, we had few really interesting matches and it wasn't a coincidance.

Shame that already next week there is outdoors tournament.

Volcana
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:19 AM
I think adding any tournaments is impractical. Look at the schedule from a travel perspective. There are 17 or 18 events you almost HAVE to play.

Sydney, OZ, Paris, Dubai, IW, Miami, Charleston OR Stuttgart (not both), Rome, Madrid, RG, Eastbourne*, Wimbledon, Stanford OR San Diego (not both), Cinncinati, Rogers Cup, US Open, TPP and Beijing.

And that schedule has the players skipping any of the old Tier II's except when they're clearly needed for tuning purposes. I just don;t see where there's room for any additions.

*'Eastbourne' in this case could be Birmingham or 's-Hertogenbosch


The rest of this post goes into the detail of the above. You can skip it, if the idea seems uncontroversial.

Go to Asia. Playing Sydney before OZ is only practical.
0.6 mil 01/10 Sydney
*** *** 01/18 OZ
The next big chunk of money and points is Dubai. Well, if you're going to fly over the ocean, you have to at least consider playing more than once.
0.7 mil 02/09 Paris
2.0 mil 02/15 Dubai
The tour, with no regard for human life, or the long term effects of jet lag, demands the players fly BACK across the ocean
4.5 mil 03/08 IW
4.5 mil 03/24 Miami
Now is a choice. Fly an hour up the coast to the pleasnt resort city of Charleston, SC (and it IS pleasant), or fly straight home, take a break there, and play Stuttgart to get ready for Rome/Madrid/RG. Either way, more jet lag.
0.7 mil 04/10 Charlston 0r 04/24 Stuttgart
Ah sweet sanity. You'll be in the same general geographic area for a while. 2 months anyway.
2.0 mil 05/03 Rome
4.5 mil 05/07 Madrid
*** *** 05/23 Roland Garros
0.6 mil 06/12 Eastbourne
*** *** 06/21 Wimbledon
You're feelin' good, you hits the shops in Paris AND London, and made a few Euros. For the first time since you left OZ, travel doesn't seem onerous.
0.7 mil 07/26 Stanford or 07/31 San Diego
2.0 mil 08/07 Cincinnati
2.0 mil 08/14 Montreal
*** *** 08/30 US Open
Back to Asia.
2.0 mil 09/27 TPP
4.5 mil 10/04 Beijing
Everybody who's spot in the YEC is set takes a break.
1.0 mil 10/18 Moscow

LightWarrior
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:46 AM
Blame the stupid Roadmap by Larry Scott. It killed the indoor tournaments altogether. Because of $$$.

PlayByPlay
Feb 12th, 2010, 02:56 AM
It wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Midnight_Robber
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:28 AM
I agree with everyone who is saying that the Roadmap has failed and that the slowed-down hard-courts are producing injuries and are conducive to low-quality, error-strewn tennis. I even hate watching the way the ball bounces on these slowed down surfaces and the style of play that these courts inspire. It's nice when you're getting matches with more winners than errors and attractive-looking play, and even better to know that it's not putting undue physical stress on the players. I also agree that it would be good if the season was dispersed over a wider range of different surfaces. I know the consensus is that it costs too much to have a real grass court season and that hard-courts are cheaper and that it's all about money. True - but too bad for the players and for us, because it would be nice to have a variety of surfaces that played to different strengths, rather than surface homeogenisation.

Havok
Feb 12th, 2010, 04:45 AM
I'd do indoors straight from Aussie Open to IW/Miami.

Have 2-3 weeks of Euro/North American indoor events, and then have Dubai indoors too.
This.
The Asian/European swing at the end of the year should all be indoors.

Linz, Zurich, Moscow, Seoul, Tokyo, Beijing etc. and YEC

Coupled with this.

ArturoAce.
Feb 12th, 2010, 06:09 AM
I'm fine with the amount of indoor/carpet, but we need way more grass. I suppose you can turn one of the 50K's (Surbiton?) into a low tiered event..(whatever they're called now...international?)