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jrollaneres25
Feb 9th, 2010, 10:04 PM
Serena said in an article that she wants to get really, really fit before the French Open. She said that will be the only chance she has to take the title from Justine. So I'm expecting a 2002-03 lean Serena:hearts:

Arnian
Feb 9th, 2010, 10:17 PM
Serena said in an article that she wants to get really, really fit before the French Open. She said that will be the only chance she has to take the title from Justine. So I'm expect a 2002-03 lean Serena:hearts:

When did she say that? I haven't read this?

I really don't like all this assuming people are doing about Justine and Roland Garros.
This is one Justine fan who is not boasting about a 5th one, but instead waiting to see what happens.

Serena y Monica
Feb 9th, 2010, 10:18 PM
Guess this answers my question as to whether she will remain motivated...here's hoping her plans come to fruition.

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 9th, 2010, 10:23 PM
I hope you're right, J', but I don't think we'll see Leanerena, circa '02, ever again. She's grown up into her Woman's body. I definitely think we'll see her leaner if that's what we say we're gonna see, but not '02.

trufanjay
Feb 9th, 2010, 10:27 PM
She needs to not only be fit but well-prepared. She needs to play at least three red clay events with decent results so that she can mentally prepare herself for the French Open.

serenafann
Feb 9th, 2010, 10:41 PM
I love you Serena,You Rule. Go for that French Open Title. :rocker:

LightWarrior
Feb 9th, 2010, 10:52 PM
When did she say that? I haven't read this?

I really don't like all this assuming people are doing about Justine and Roland Garros.


I'm with you, it's an un-Serena thing to say.
Although I'm sure that Serena wants that RG title badly and her beating Henin must have boosted Serena tremendously. I expect a very fit Serena showing up.

RenaSlam.
Feb 9th, 2010, 10:53 PM
She can win more FOs. It's all about fitness, preparation, and match play leading up to Roland Garros.

The Witch-king
Feb 10th, 2010, 01:22 AM
When did she say that? I haven't read this?

I really don't like all this assuming people are doing about Justine and Roland Garros.
This is one Justine fan who is not boasting about a 5th one, but instead waiting to see what happens.

not only that, but she doesn't actually *have* the title. It belongs to Svetlana "I will probably lose in R1" Kuznetsova :hearts:

VishaalMaria
Feb 10th, 2010, 01:26 AM
I still think she can get back to her 2004 shape.

I still have belief in that.

Olórin
Feb 10th, 2010, 01:27 AM
I don't expect Serena to look any different in May to how she is currently.

AcesHigh
Feb 10th, 2010, 01:28 AM
not only that, but she doesn't actually *have* the title. It belongs to Svetlana "I will probably lose in R1" Kuznetsova :hearts:

Actually, you can consider them co-defenders of sorts like Serena and Kim at USO 2009 since Henin was the champion before she retired.

AcesHigh
Feb 10th, 2010, 01:29 AM
I don't expect Serena to look any different in May to how she is currently.

She seemed in good shape at AO I thought

BlameSerena
Feb 10th, 2010, 01:30 AM
I don't expect Serena to look any different in May to how she is currently.

Neither do I.

Jrollaneres, where did you read this? Thanks in advance.

In The Zone
Feb 10th, 2010, 01:34 AM
She seemed in good shape at AO I thought

Me too. The dress was not very flattering but it was nice to see her with long hair and in a dress, not a two piece. It shows you that Serena hasn't changed that much, it just appeared that way.

And I don't care if Serena is 300 lbs, if she can still win slams and come from behind to win, I'll enjoy it. :D So will she.

Olórin
Feb 10th, 2010, 01:35 AM
She seemed in good shape at AO I thought

Which is why I don't expect her to change a working formula. She's looked to be one of the fittest players on tour to me since the AO 2008.

Golovinjured.
Feb 10th, 2010, 02:47 AM
Link?

BlameSerena
Feb 10th, 2010, 02:50 AM
Serena's clay court record by year since her inaugural French Open win in 2002:

2003: 12–3 (YE Ranked #3)
2004: 10–3 (YE Ranked #7)
2005: 2–2 (YE Ranked #11)
2006: 0–0 (YE Ranked #95)
2007: 6–3 (YE Ranked #7)
2008: 11–2 (YE Ranked #2)
2009: 4-4 (YE Ranked #1)
09 is definitely an outlier.
i'm so glad she's not playing injured anymore.

PlayByPlay
Feb 10th, 2010, 02:51 AM
Go Serena!! I hope she doesn't over do it though she already looks good the way she is.

AcesHigh
Feb 10th, 2010, 02:54 AM
Since Serena's inaugural French Open win in 2002, these are the YE top ten players Serena defeated at all WTA clay events (including French Open):

2003 Family Cirle Cup SF, d. Lindsay Davenport (YE Ranked #5)
2003 French Open QF, d. Amelie Mauresmo (YE Ranked #4)
2004 Italian Open QF, d. Svetlana Kuznetsova (YE Ranked #5)
2005 Bausch and Lomb Championships 3R, d. Mary Pierce (YE Ranked #5)
2008 German Open 3R, d. Agnieszka Radwanska (YE Ranked #10)
2008 Family Circle Cup 4R, d. Maria Sharapova (YE Ranked #9)
2008 Family Circle Cup F, d. Vera Zvonereva (YE Ranked #7)


Serena's results at the French Open since her inaugural win in 2002 (**Top Ten Players She Defeated):

2009 QF
2008 3rd
2007 QF
2006 ---
2005 ---
2004 QF
2003 SF (**defeated Amelie Mauresmo, YE Ranked #4)


Top Ten Players Who Have Defeated Serena at the French Open since her inaugural win in 2002:

2003 SF, Justine Henin-Hardenne (2003 FO Champion, YE Ranked #1)
2004 QF, Jennifer Capriati (2001 FO Champion, YE Ranked #10)
2005: DNP
2006: DNP
2007 QF Justine Henin (2007 FO Champion, YE Ranked #1)
2009 QF Svetlana Kuznetsova (2009 FO Champion, YE Ranked #3)


Serena's clay court titles since her inaugural French Open win in 2002:

(1) Family Circle Cup (2008) d. Vera Zvonareva (YE Ranked #7)


Serena's clay court record by year since her inaugural French Open win in 2002:

2003: 12–3 (YE Ranked #3)
2004: 10–3 (YE Ranked #7)
2005: 2–2 (YE Ranked #11)
2006: 0–0 (YE Ranked #95)
2007: 6–3 (YE Ranked #7)
2008: 11–2 (YE Ranked #2)
2009: 4-4 (YE Ranked #1)

another interesting stat would be red clay vs. green clay.

Donny
Feb 10th, 2010, 03:03 AM
Actually, you can consider them co-defenders of sorts like Serena and Kim at USO 2009 since Henin was the champion before she retired.

Or like Sharapova was 'co champion' at the AO this year. Lulz.

eyecandy
Feb 10th, 2010, 05:04 AM
Serena, should get her thigh, calf ,toe and wrist completely healthy first. Then try and drop about 5-10 lbs and come out swinging. I think she can win the French again but I feel she gets nervous there because of the 03 is always in the back of her mind. She can't react freely always some hesitation in her motions but if she could overcome the nerves and in her mind keep saying to herself Maria's famous words"Up your F...king A.." she could win it!

SAEKeithSerena
Feb 10th, 2010, 05:12 AM
Serena has won 3 out of the past 5 majors. going into roland garros, she should be on eof the top favorites, regardless of her warmup events

MrSerenaWilliams
Feb 10th, 2010, 08:07 AM
Actually, you can consider them co-defenders of sorts like Serena and Kim at USO 2009 since Henin was the champion before she retired.

come again? :scratch:

s_j
Feb 10th, 2010, 08:27 AM
If something aint broke, Serena, don't fix it.

Serena doesn't have the frame of, for example, Venus, so she'll never look as lean. She's always been more muscular and there's a worry that she might lose some of her muscle if she tries to lose some fat. To be honest, I don't really think it matters what shape her body is in. It's Serena's strength, power and MENTAL will that makes her a champion. Losing half a stone won't make any difference in my opinion. That being said, she definitely looked better in 2003... whether that makes any real difference and allows her to win the French again, time will tell!

But maybe Serena will be nice and decide to go through with this next year. I'm happy for Serena to win the tournament, but I'd rather Maria won it this year! :lol:

Wojtek
Feb 10th, 2010, 09:18 AM
ok link please because it seems that thread starter is lying

Beny
Feb 10th, 2010, 10:28 AM
No source.. :o

Serena can win FO this or next year. People are overrating Justine at RG. Im actually quite worried if she faces Sharapova at RG. Justine can so be overpowered, even on clay. She plays well there but not tennis out of this planet. It´s usually her opponents self-destruction (errors or mental) rather than Justine dominating game.

I think we ll see a lot of close matches there

The Witch-king
Feb 10th, 2010, 10:32 AM
come again? :scratch:

:spit: i love it when people say that (especially in response to something that was written down :lol:)

bandabou
Feb 10th, 2010, 10:42 AM
Thanks, I updated the original post. I did it on the assumption that all European Tourneys were played on red clay :-)

Here's something I think really stands out:

Top Ten Players Who Have Defeated Serena at the French Open since her inaugural win in 2002:

2003 SF, Justine Henin-Hardenne (2003 FO Champion, YE Ranked #1)
2004 QF, Jennifer Capriati (2001 FO Champion, YE Ranked #10)
2005: DNP
2006: DNP
2007 QF Justine Henin (2007 FO Champion, YE Ranked #1)
2009 QF Svetlana Kuznetsova (2009 FO Champion, YE Ranked #3)

In every year that Serena has played at the French Open since her win in 2002 (with the exception of a 3rd round loss in 2008) a French Open champion beat her in either the quarterfinals or semifinals. Putting it in context to her overall clay results since 2002, she saves her best clay court play for Paris.

I'm not going to sugar-coat it. I think Serena has an uphill battle at Roland Garros. The clay neutralizes her biggest weapon (serve) and she's never beaten Henin, Clijsters or Kuznetsova in Paris. There should be some exciting early round and quarterfinal/semifinal matches this year.

In Serena's favor is her Grand Slam tournament aura and her knowing that she CAN win in Paris. I think her best chance to take the title back will be this year. A lot depends on her clay court preparation and fitness leading up to Roland Garros.

Is gonna be an uphill battle for sure. But when you look at the record, it's actually pretty good and consistent. Just that QF stage, seems she can't get over it...otherwise we would be looking at a mirror-image of Henin's grass record for Serena on clay.

jrollaneres25
Feb 10th, 2010, 11:05 AM
not only that, but she doesn't actually *have* the title. It belongs to Svetlana "I will probably lose in R1" Kuznetsova :hearts:
:haha: I doubt that will happen now in Svrta's career

I'm with you, it's an un-Serena thing to say.
Although I'm sure that Serena wants that RG title badly and her beating Henin must have boosted Serena tremendously. I expect a very fit Serena showing up.
I read it in a Local Miami Tennis Magazine article. Interesting thing is that this article was published before the AO even started.

Neither do I.
:angel:

Jrollaneres, where did you read this? Thanks in advance.

Read above.

jrollaneres25
Feb 10th, 2010, 11:12 AM
I'll try to find quotes online somewhere. But it's in an article in Miami Tennis mag.

thegreendestiny
Feb 10th, 2010, 03:21 PM
Serena is already as lean as she could be. We can not compare her current figure to her 2002-03 because muscle mass has grown since then.

SerenaSlam
Feb 10th, 2010, 04:46 PM
i think what is amazing is physically serena could get back to that 2002-03 look. if she did it would pick up her speed and every aspect of her game which is already head and shoulders over the field. i would love for her to do this. but if it isn't a dramatic noticeable change i would mind because at the end of the day. the look she is showing now has won her over 5 slams in the past year in singles and doubles. ill take it! lol

Yonexforever
Feb 10th, 2010, 05:12 PM
Serena just needs to realize she cant bludgeoen these young girls off a clay court and remember, win at any cost round by round and dont use early round score lines to send messages to the rest of the field!

jrollaneres25
Feb 11th, 2010, 01:38 AM
Serena just needs to realize she cant bludgeoen these young girls off a clay court and remember, win at any cost round by round and dont use early round score lines to send messages to the rest of the field!

This. Hence the reason why she is preparing to get clay-fit:drool:

friendsita
Feb 11th, 2010, 05:51 AM
I expect her at 100% for RG... hope.

MrSerenaWilliams
Feb 11th, 2010, 08:01 AM
I'm not going to sugar-coat it. I think Serena has an uphill battle at Roland Garros. The clay neutralizes her biggest weapon (serve) and she's never beaten Henin, Clijsters or Kuznetsova in Paris.

While you are, in fact, correct, that sentence is a bit misleading.

Serena is 0-2 v. Henin RG
0-1 v. Kuznetsova
and 0-0 v. Clijsters.


So, it's not like she's staring down the barrel of a HIGHLY negative H2H. In fact, two of the 3 aforementioned losses were 7-5 in the 3rd, so she's been close (since she's won it in '02), she just needs to stay the course.




and not choke, or let the CLEARLY partisan crowd get to her

Tennisstar86
Feb 11th, 2010, 08:07 AM
Serena likes to eat too much....so she will look the exact same.... maybe she'll lose a pound...... Justine will be upset early though, if she brings the aggressive game she brought to Melborne....

Denise4925
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:36 PM
Actually, you can consider them co-defenders of sorts like Serena and Kim at USO 2009 since Henin was the champion before she retired.

Huh? :scratch:

Denise4925
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:37 PM
Me too. The dress was not very flattering but it was nice to see her with long hair and in a dress, not a two piece. It shows you that Serena hasn't changed that much, it just appeared that way.

And I don't care if Serena is 300 lbs, if she can still win slams and come from behind to win, I'll enjoy it. :D So will she.

When does she not wear a dress, except in doubles? :confused:

Denise4925
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:42 PM
Serena, should get her thigh, calf ,toe and wrist completely healthy first. Then try and drop about 5-10 lbs and come out swinging. I think she can win the French again but I feel she gets nervous there because of the 03 is always in the back of her mind. She can't react freely always some hesitation in her motions but if she could overcome the nerves and in her mind keep saying to herself Maria's famous words"Up your F...king A.." she could win it!

:lol::lol::lol:

Denise4925
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:44 PM
come again? :scratch:

Yeah, that didn't make sense to me either. :lol:

Denise4925
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:46 PM
No source.. :o

Serena can win FO this or next year. People are overrating Justine at RG. Im actually quite worried if she faces Sharapova at RG. Justine can so be overpowered, even on clay. She plays well there but not tennis out of this planet. It´s usually her opponents self-destruction (errors or mental) rather than Justine dominating game.

I think we ll see a lot of close matches there

I'm glad you said this and not me.

Denise4925
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:52 PM
Serena just needs to realize she cant bludgeoen these young girls off a clay court and remember, win at any cost round by round and dont use early round score lines to send messages to the rest of the field!

I don't think she's been "bludgeoning" anyone on the court lately, except for her serve. :shrug: Serena has acquired a lot of variety in her game. I don't whince anymore when I see her slicing the ball or trying a drop shot or hitting a volley. She's actually become rather good at it. No matter what variety she adds to her game, people will always stereotype her into being a player that just knocks the shit out of the ball and bully's her opponents, but if you watch her last 5 slam wins she has incorporated other shots into her power game.

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:53 PM
I don't think she's been "bludgeoning" anyone on the court lately, except for her serve. :shrug: Serena has acquired a lot of variety in her game. I don't whince anymore when I see her slicing the ball or trying a drop shot or hitting a volley. She's actually become rather good at it. No matter what variety she adds to her game, people will always stereotype her into being a player that just knocks the shit out of the ball and bully's her opponents, but if you watch her last 5 slam wins she has incorporated other shots into her power game.
:yeah:

Denise4925
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:56 PM
While you are, in fact, correct, that sentence is a bit misleading.

Serena is 0-2 v. Henin RG
0-1 v. Kuznetsova
and 0-0 v. Clijsters. :o (I wish people would cut down on the propaganda. It makes it hard to take them seriously.)


So, it's not like she's staring down the barrel of a HIGHLY negative H2H. In fact, two of the 3 aforementioned losses were 7-5 in the 3rd, so she's been close (since she's won it in '02), she just needs to stay the course.




and not choke, or let the CLEARLY partisan crowd get to her

This. :kiss: I love you so much MSW.

Arnian
Feb 11th, 2010, 10:56 PM
So now we aren't crediting Justine with beating people on the clay? They just walk out onto the court and fuck up and give her the matches? :lol: ok

It couldn't be that she forces the errors, moves her opponents around, or changes the pace of the ball effectively on the clay to throw people off their game could it?

:haha: This is just sad.

Denise4925
Feb 11th, 2010, 11:10 PM
To get a more accurate picture, you could look at H-2-H on clay, but I didn't think it would be necessary in this thread. I could if you like.

Serena Williams is 1-4 vs Justine Henin on clay all-time (0-2 at FO).
Serena Williams is 1-1 vs Svetlana Kuznetsova on clay all-time (0-1 at FO).
Serena Williams is 0-0 vs Kim Clijsters on clay all-time.

Since winning the French Open in 2002, Serena has played at the French Open five times, Justine Henin and Svetlana Kuznetsova have defeated her twice in the quarterfinals, and once in the semifinals.

Serena's results at RG since 2003 haven't been great by her standard. Henin, Kuznetsova and Clijsters all have clay court games that could not only challenge, but beat Serena at any stage of the tournament, with or without a partisan crowd. I've never known Serena to choke a match away. She's generally the one who causes other players to choke by tenacity and fight.

The point I'm making is that the clay surface doesn't favor Serena's game in 2010. Serena is not the same player she was in 2002. That's not to say she can't win RG, but it will be more difficult for her in 2010 vs 2002.

So is this to make you Justine fans feel more secure in your predictions for Justine at RG? :shrug: I don't get it.

And, I disagree that the clay doesn't favor Serena's game in '10, compared to '02. She has more variety in her game now than she ever did in '02 and that's a fact. She's older and more patient on court than she's ever been in constructing points and figuring out a game plan.

Her serve is always a factor in any tennis match, no matter what the surface. People get aced on clay as well as any other surface and why clay would make a difference as far as that's concerned, I don't know. Serena is a placement server, she's very consistent and accurate and she knows how to take pace off her serve, so if you think Serena is all about power serves, this is just one more thing to make your prediction about Serena's chances this year on clay even less credible.

Lastly, we don't know who would win on clay between Serena and Kim. They've never played and it was disingenuous for you to state in an earlier post that Serena has never beaten her, well fucking vice versa. Amelie, Justine, and Sveta have better clay court games than Kim, and Serena has beaten them all on clay. In Amelie's case, unmercifully, when Serena didn't play anything but a power game in '03, during the same RG that she took the Clay Court Queen to three sets. Kim was soundly beaten by Justine in the finals. And to top it all off, Kim has never won RG. Serena has and beat the defending champion, JenCap (no clay court slouch herself) in the semis to do so.

So, based on the facts, I wouldn't be so sure of my prediction if I were you.

Arnian
Feb 11th, 2010, 11:26 PM
So is this to make you Justine fans feel more secure in your predictions for Justine at RG? :shrug: I don't get it.

And, I disagree that the clay doesn't favor Serena's game in '10, compared to '02. She has more variety in her game now than she ever did in '02 and that's a fact. She's older and more patient on court than she's ever been in constructing points and figuring out a game plan.

Her serve is always a factor in any tennis match, no matter what the surface. People get aced on clay as well as any other surface and why clay would make a difference as far as that's concerned, I don't know. Serena is a placement server, she's very consistent and accurate and she knows how to take pace off her serve, so if you think Serena is all about power serves, this is just one more thing to make your prediction about Serena's chances this year on clay even less credible.

Lastly, we don't know who would win on clay between Serena and Kim. They've never played and it was disingenuous for you to state in an earlier post that Serena has never beaten her, well fucking vice versa. Amelie, Justine, and Sveta have better clay court games than Kim, and Serena has beaten them all on clay. In Amelie's case, unmercifully, when Serena didn't play anything but a power game in '03, during the same RG that she took the Clay Court Queen to three sets. Kim was soundly beaten by Justine in the finals. And to top it all off, Kim has never won RG. Serena has and beat the defending champion, JenCap (no clay court slouch herself) in the semis to do so.

So, based on the facts, I wouldn't be so sure of my prediction if I were you.

I agree that it's wrong to assume that Kim would win between the two for sure. Serena has won RG before and Kim never has, so it could go either way. :shrug:

I mean Denise, Serena is so hit or miss on the clay to me. She appears to be playing great clay court tennis in 08 by winning Charleston, and then just fails miserably in the 3rd round at RG, with no Justine and no one to stop her.
Then in 09 she has a horrid clay court season, comes into RG, almost loses in the 1st round, but then gets her shit together and almost beats the eventual champion in the quarters. :lol:

I just think when it comes to her and RG you can never know what to expect.

NyCPsU
Feb 11th, 2010, 11:27 PM
Huh? :scratch:

When does she not wear a dress, except in doubles? :confused:

:lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, that didn't make sense to me either. :lol:

I'm glad you said this and not me.

I don't think she's been "bludgeoning" anyone on the court lately, except for her serve. :shrug: Serena has acquired a lot of variety in her game. I don't whince anymore when I see her slicing the ball or trying a drop shot or hitting a volley. She's actually become rather good at it. No matter what variety she adds to her game, people will always stereotype her into being a player that just knocks the shit out of the ball and bully's her opponents, but if you watch her last 5 slam wins she has incorporated other shots into her power game.

This. :kiss: I love you so much MSW.

So is this to make you Justine fans feel more secure in your predictions for Justine at RG? :shrug: I don't get it.

And, I disagree that the clay doesn't favor Serena's game in '10, compared to '02. She has more variety in her game now than she ever did in '02 and that's a fact. She's older and more patient on court than she's ever been in constructing points and figuring out a game plan.

Her serve is always a factor in any tennis match, no matter what the surface. People get aced on clay as well as any other surface and why clay would make a difference as far as that's concerned, I don't know. Serena is a placement server, she's very consistent and accurate and she knows how to take pace off her serve, so if you think Serena is all about power serves, this is just one more thing to make your prediction about Serena's chances this year on clay even less credible.

Lastly, we don't know who would win on clay between Serena and Kim. They've never played and it was disingenuous for you to state in an earlier post that Serena has never beaten her, well fucking vice versa. Amelie, Justine, and Sveta have better clay court games than Kim, and Serena has beaten them all on clay. In Amelie's case, unmercifully, when Serena didn't play anything but a power game in '03, during the same RG that she took the Clay Court Queen to three sets. Kim was soundly beaten by Justine in the finals. And to top it all off, Kim has never won RG. Serena has and beat the defending champion, JenCap (no clay court slouch herself) in the semis to do so.

So, based on the facts, I wouldn't be so sure of my prediction if I were you.

:sobbing: :sobbing:


See what I did there? Its called multi-quoting! :wavey:

Dunlop1
Feb 11th, 2010, 11:45 PM
People get aced on clay as well as any other surface and why clay would make a difference as far as that's concerned, I don't know.

Have you played on clay before?

Denise4925
Feb 12th, 2010, 12:06 AM
I agree that it's wrong to assume that Kim would win between the two for sure. Serena has won RG before and Kim never has, so it could go either way. :shrug:

I mean Denise, Serena is so hit or miss on the clay to me. She appears to be playing great clay court tennis in 08 by winning Charleston, and then just fails miserably in the 3rd round at RG, with no Justine and no one to stop her.
Then in 09 she has a horrid clay court season, comes into RG, almost loses in the 1st round, but then gets her shit together and almost beats the eventual champion in the quarters. :lol:

I just think when it comes to her and RG you can never know what to expect.

Yeah, which is why I think predictions are for the birds. Especially when you're making invalid points.

Denise4925
Feb 12th, 2010, 12:07 AM
Have you played on clay before?

That's irrelevant.

Volcana
Feb 12th, 2010, 12:15 AM
Actually, you can consider them co-defenders of sorts like Serena and Kim at USO 2009 since Henin was the champion before she retired.I'm not sure I follow you. Sharapova was US Open champ when Clijsters retired.

Tennisstar86
Feb 12th, 2010, 12:45 AM
I'm not sure I follow you. Sharapova was US Open champ when Clijsters retired.

The logic is that Kim didn't play the US OPEN after she won it in 05 until she won it in 09.... Alot of people during the tournament were saying it was like her chance to defend her title.... It happens a lot really if a player hasnt played the GS after they won once they return some call them the defending champion.... This is probably the only case were its been 4 years in between though....

Shockingly Kim has made the finals the last three times shes played the US OPEN.

dsanders06
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:30 AM
I actually do think Serena's game should be better suited to clay now than it was in 2002. She is far better at constructing points these days. But her footwork on clay is God-awful, and she just seems to have a mental block there. She hasn't played a really good match at Roland Garros since 2003... she was OK-ish against Kuznetsova last year, but it was far from a banner performance from either lady... and again, if we're structuring arguments round an alternate universe where choking never happens, then we'd have to say that Kuznetsova should have closed out the match at 5-4 in the second set, which wouldn't've even given Serena the opportunity to choke away the match in the third.

I wouldn't totally rule out Serena winning RG this year, but I would be very surprised.

G1Player2
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:33 AM
I actually do think Serena's game should be better suited to clay now than it was in 2002. She is far better at constructing points these days. But her footwork on clay is God-awful, and she just seems to have a mental block there. She hasn't played a really good match at Roland Garros since 2003... she was OK-ish against Kuznetsova last year, but it was far from a banner performance from either lady... and again, if we're structuring arguments round an alternate universe where choking never happens, then we'd have to say that Kuznetsova should have closed out the match at 5-4 in the second set, which wouldn't've even given Serena the opportunity to choke away the match in the third.

I wouldn't totally rule out Serena winning RG this year, but I would be very surprised.

Well Serena had set points in that 1st set, so judging by your theory Serena should have won the match in 2 sets.

Matt01
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:38 AM
No source.. :o

Serena can win FO this or next year. People are overrating Justine at RG. Im actually quite worried if she faces Sharapova at RG. Justine can so be overpowered, even on clay. She plays well there but not tennis out of this planet. It´s usually her opponents self-destruction (errors or mental) rather than Justine dominating game.

I think we ll see a lot of close matches there


:rolleyes: If there's any top player Justine should not be afraid of to meet on clay, it's Sharapova (however I'm not even sure if she qualifies as a "top player" these days...). Pova has no clue how to move or construct points on that surface...

dsanders06
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:39 AM
Well Serena had set points in that 1st set, so judging by your theory Serena should have won the match in 2 sets.

My theory/opinion is that all that matters is the end result, which in this case, was a win for Kuznetsova, regardless of whether Serena "choked". If we're going to question the merits of Kuznetsova's win on the basis that Serena apparently "choked", then there's a hell of a lot of Serena's wins that we're gonna have to examine, starting with her match against Azarenka at the AO.

G1Player2
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:44 AM
My theory/opinion is that all that matters is the end result, which in this case, was a win for Kuznetsova, regardless of whether Serena "choked". If we're going to question the merits of Kuznetsova's win on the basis that Serena apparently "choked", then there's a hell of a lot of Serena's wins that we're gonna have to examine, starting with her match against Azarenka at the AO.


Serena definitely got tight against Kuzzy. She was 6 points away from the match before she started spraying errors all over the place and couldn't get a 1st serve in. That's how I saw it and I will stand by that. Credit to Kuzzy for holding it together but Serena had a comfortable lead in that final set before she got nervous. She even said she got tight in her post match interview which she never admits.

And, Azarenka didn't get tight in Australia. Serena just stepped it up big time. Unlike in 2003, where Clijsters fell apart after she got the big lead against Serena.

dsanders06
Feb 12th, 2010, 02:30 AM
Serena definitely got tight against Kuzzy. She was 6 points away from the match before she started spraying errors all over the place and couldn't get a 1st serve in. That's how I saw it and I will stand by that. Credit to Kuzzy for holding it together but Serena had a comfortable lead in that final set before she got nervous. She even said she got tight in her post match interview which she never admits.

Yes, but all that's irrelevant, because Kuznetsova won. And in any case, you don't get to say Serena's choking has to be taken into account, but Kuznetsova's choking in the second set is irrelevant (and really, there can be no doubt that she choked there).


And, Azarenka didn't get tight in Australia. Serena just stepped it up big time. Unlike in 2003, where Clijsters fell apart after she got the big lead against Serena.

I agree Serena should take most of the credit, BUT it definitely seemed to me that, at 4-1 up, Azarenka eased off a bit and stopped pressing as much as she had been before, and she opened the door for Serena, which Serena went through with all guns blazing. Credit to her for that - but if it was Sharapova who was leading by a set and 4-0, you can't help but feel that she would've somehow gritted out another couple of games, even if Serena had raised her game tenfold.

That's all by the by though, because all that matters is the player who gets the W.

Midnight_Robber
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:33 AM
I don't expect anything of the sort. Serena has already lost a quite bit of weight and looks fit to me and just won a slam. She is not going to ever return to her 2002 body (and would be foolish to try to do so) because it is not a question of weight but of reversing the clock and regaining her youth. (Same thing with Venus. Slim or not, like Serena she has an adult's body. Her body is never going to magically 'return' to being lithe in the way it once was when she was a teenager or 20 year old.) It's called growing up.

Serena is healthy and if anything, losing further weight might do more harm than good.

cehowardrx7
Feb 12th, 2010, 03:53 AM
Of the three body types, the Ectomorph, the Mesomorph,and the Endomorph, Serena is an Mesomorph. Also, she is not that tall. She has to work to keep her body lean. Whereas Venus is an Ectomorph, and will not take on weight/flab as Serena under the same circumstances. Serena is well-defined, but if she gets slack, the weight will come on, her movement will slow down, and that is the beginning of "blowing up".

I don't want to see any of that.:) IMO, Serena needs to work hard to keep lean and mean. That will enable her to stick up to the much younger and hungrier opponents.

trufanjay
Feb 12th, 2010, 05:11 AM
I think Serena is fine where she is now. She is one of the fastest players on tour. It's the 2006 shape that she never wants to go back to, and that extra weight only came on because Serena was injured and not able to train and work out regularly.

I don't think it's about being lean, it's about practicing and making herself match tough so that she can be ready to consistently construct points and be patient on the clay surface. If she wants to lose more body fat then that would be totally up to her, but not necessary in order for her to win the French Open. I think someone mentioned that she has gained more muscle since 2002, I really don't see a huge difference between then and now.

She has proved that she can win long matches (while playing singles and doubles) but the French Open will be a mental challenge for her. Can she survive long rallies knowing that she can't just go for the outright winner? That is what she wants to work on. There is a huge physical aspect to it, and she does want to properly condition herself but I think that's the least of her problems at the French.

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:10 AM
Serena definitely got tight against Kuzzy. She was 6 points away from the match before she started spraying errors all over the place and couldn't get a 1st serve in. That's how I saw it and I will stand by that. Credit to Kuzzy for holding it together but Serena had a comfortable lead in that final set before she got nervous. She even said she got tight in her post match interview which she never admits.

And, Azarenka didn't get tight in Australia. Serena just stepped it up big time. Unlike in 2003, where Clijsters fell apart after she got the big lead against Serena.

Serena said it herself. I we know that's rare - for Serena to admit to being tight.

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:13 AM
I don't expect anything of the sort. Serena has already lost a quite bit of weight and looks fit to me and just won a slam. She is not going to ever return to her 2002 body (and would be foolish to try to do so) because it is not a question of weight but of reversing the clock and regaining her youth. (Same thing with Venus. Slim or not, like Serena she has an adult's body. Her body is never going to magically 'return' to being lithe in the way it once was when she was a teenager or 20 year old.) It's called growing up.

Serena is healthy and if anything, losing further weight might do more harm than good.

Agreed, Serena's very fit - fitter than Justine, certainly - and if she were to attempt to she a few more pounds, like say in the 5-7lbs range, she'd have to be VERY careful about how she takes it off and whether it's would actually be worth it. But she is extremely fit right now, as evidenced by that third set in Melbourne.

bandabou
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:13 AM
I agree Serena should take most of the credit, BUT it definitely seemed to me that, at 4-1 up, Azarenka eased off a bit and stopped pressing as much as she had been before, and she opened the door for Serena, which Serena went through with all guns blazing. Credit to her for that - but if it was Sharapova who was leading by a set and 4-0, you can't help but feel that she would've somehow gritted out another couple of games, even if Serena had raised her game tenfold.

That's all by the by though, because all that matters is the player who gets the W.

:lol: but Sharapova would never even be in the position to begin with.

Besides..are we forgetting what Serena did to Sharapova in ' 05 at the same OZ open? There she rallied against Maria too..who served for the match in the second set, in the 3rd ( had mp's)...but still couldn't grit out that last game/ point.

bandabou
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:20 AM
I think Serena is fine where she is now. She is one of the fastest players on tour. It's the 2006 shape that she never wants to go back to, and that extra weight only came on because Serena was injured and not able to train and work out regularly.

I don't think it's about being lean, it's about practicing and making herself match tough so that she can be ready to consistently construct points and be patient on the clay surface. If she wants to lose more body fat then that would be totally up to her, but not necessary in order for her to win the French Open. I think someone mentioned that she has gained more muscle since 2002, I really don't see a huge difference between then and now.

She has proved that she can win long matches (while playing singles and doubles) but the French Open will be a mental challenge for her. Can she survive long rallies knowing that she can't just go for the outright winner? That is what she wants to work on. There is a huge physical aspect to it, and she does want to properly condition herself but I think that's the least of her problems at the French.


Agreed...I think it's just the mental aspect. Grinding it out, ...and that only comes with match play. Needs to play on the clay.

ce
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:27 AM
she is determined to win, and we all know how she plays when she is on :scared:
if she can battle through to the 1/4 things will get interesting

Midnight_Robber
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:47 AM
Of the three body types, the Ectomorph, the Mesomorph,and the Endomorph, Serena is an Mesomorph. Also, she is not that tall. She has to work to keep her body lean. Whereas Venus is an Ectomorph, and will not take on weight/flab as Serena under the same circumstances. Serena is well-defined, but if she gets slack, the weight will come on, her movement will slow down, and that is the beginning of "blowing up".

I don't want to see any of that.:) IMO, Serena needs to work hard to keep lean and mean. That will enable her to stick up to the much younger and hungrier opponents.

I agree that Serena leans more towards the Endomorph body type than any other, but it could be argued that she has some Mesomorph traits. Anyway, I agree that Serena will always have to watch her weight (Venus too, but for different reasons) - but I think she already does precisely that. As for winning on the clay, well I'd never rule Serena out but she'll need to focus, fight, and all aspects of her game will have to be working. But physically, I don't think that stamina will be a problem for her.

Tennisstar86
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:55 AM
That's irrelevant.

Its actually not irrelevant..... Clay is a tough surface Serena's servewont kick like they do on the other surfaces...She'll have to not have the lazy footwork she has on other surfaces if she wants to win.

jrollaneres25
Feb 12th, 2010, 10:21 AM
Well Serena had set points in that 1st set, so judging by your theory Serena should have won the match in 2 sets.

:snap: Get him together G1;)

jrollaneres25
Feb 12th, 2010, 10:26 AM
Yes, but all that's irrelevant, because Kuznetsova won. And in any case, you don't get to say Serena's choking has to be taken into account, but Kuznetsova's choking in the second set is irrelevant (and really, there can be no doubt that she choked there).




I agree Serena should take most of the credit, BUT it definitely seemed to me that, at 4-1 up, Azarenka eased off a bit and stopped pressing as much as she had been before, and she opened the door for Serena, which Serena went through with all guns blazing. Credit to her for that - but if it was Sharapova who was leading by a set and 4-0, you can't help but feel that she would've somehow gritted out another couple of games, even if Serena had raised her game tenfold.

That's all by the by though, because all that matters is the player who gets the W.

Oh yea, like when Sharapova "almost" beat Serena in 2005?:shrug:

dsanders06
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:14 PM
:lol: but Sharapova would never even be in the position to begin with.

Besides..are we forgetting what Serena did to Sharapova in ' 05 at the same OZ open? There she rallied against Maria too..who served for the match in the second set, in the 3rd ( had mp's)...but still couldn't grit out that last game/ point.

She never led by a set and 4-0.

Btw, I think it's weird that you would rule out Sharapova beating Serena, when Azarenka has given Serena heaps of trouble lately and there isn't a single area of the game where Sharapova isn't superior to Azarenka (OK, except maybe netplay).

bandabou
Feb 12th, 2010, 01:43 PM
She never led by a set and 4-0.

Btw, I think it's weird that you would rule out Sharapova beating Serena, when Azarenka has given Serena heaps of trouble lately and there isn't a single area of the game where Sharapova isn't superior to Azarenka (OK, except maybe netplay).

Vika never served for the match either, soo..:shrug:

Rule out is a strong word. But Serena is in Maria's head and might be in Vika's head too now.

Ferg
Feb 12th, 2010, 07:45 PM
Fitrena? :hearts:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:11 PM
banned poster ;) especially when you take in to consideration the poster wasn't here long enough to interact with 99% of serena fans :lol: you'll see the true colours soon enough

anywhos mary ann or whatever...serena's serve is not the weakness you want to make it out to be on clay...i'd even venture to say that it's the kick serve of hers that has put her in winning positions, but her mentality on clay isn't as positive as it is on all other surfaces...

serena's serve may be powerful when she's bombing them, but if she could ONLY bomb serve as you are trying to suggest then you clearly don't know jack

Matt01
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:28 PM
I haven't been in this forum long, but I'm not impressed by the way you've interacted with me. You seem very defensive and negative most of the time and make a lot of emotional rants presented as facts when responding to logical statistical arguments.


The best is just to ignore her ;) She is simply not open-minded for reasonable argumentation.

sweetpeas
Feb 12th, 2010, 08:38 PM
I love you Serena,You Rule. Go for that French Open Title.


Right

jrollaneres25
Feb 12th, 2010, 09:05 PM
She never led by a set and 4-0.

Btw, I think it's weird that you would rule out Sharapova beating Serena, when Azarenka has given Serena heaps of trouble lately and there isn't a single area of the game where Sharapova isn't superior to Azarenka (OK, except maybe netplay).

Um, Movement???:help:

Olórin
Feb 12th, 2010, 09:08 PM
Are you trying to stick with the issues or are you trying to start shit and pick a fight.

I didn't see anything any Denise's previous post to you that was ad hominem. So why take it there? Given how you've been posting here, I wouldn't think you were trying to bait, but...

MaryAnn is almost certainly a returned-troll. Judging from their penchant for posting stats I'm guessing it's Forehand_Volley or whoever that one obesessed poster was. The strained facade of objectivity does not cut it with me and the mask will have fallen by the clay season. Guaranteed.

Olórin
Feb 12th, 2010, 09:09 PM
banned poster ;) especially when you take in to consideration the poster wasn't here long enough to interact with 99% of serena fans :lol: you'll see the true colours soon enough


Damn you beat me to it :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 12th, 2010, 09:12 PM
Damn you beat me to it :lol:

i always do, you whitney-threaten-to-drop-for-serena-to-win bitch :rolleyes: :ras:

jrollaneres25
Feb 12th, 2010, 09:13 PM
The point you don't get is that my umbrella is large enough for the Serena and Justine folks. I refuse to be a one-dimensional fan of this sport. Ignoring logic and statistical results isn't my forte'.

Well, you really have to go to the initial post in this thread to understand that obviously Serena understands in order to win the French again, she's going to have improve her speed and stamina to win the most physically challenging grand slam in all of tennis. Where Serena has certainly matured in variety of shots, she's not as quick and agile as she was in '02. Clay court tennis is a grind.

Its difficult to explain to someone who doesn't understand how clay court tennis can affect the service game of a big server. On faster courts, Serena's service is much more effective. On clay, it won't be as easy to win free points.

No need to get yourself in a tizzy.

Here are the clay court records of Henin, Clijsters, Williams and Kuznetsova:

All-Time:

Henin 158-26 (12 clay wins, 4 French Open Titles)
Kuznetsova (2003 forward) 79-25 (3 clay wins, 1 French Open Title, 2 French Open Finals)
Williams 79-26 (3 clay wins, 1 French Open Title)
Clijsters 91-26 (3 clay wins, 2 French Open finals)

Since Serena's inaugural French Open win in 2002, these are the YE top ten players Serena defeated at all WTA clay events (including French Open):

2003 Family Cirle Cup SF, d. Lindsay Davenport (YE Ranked #5) Green Clay
2003 French Open QF, d. Amelie Mauresmo (YE Ranked #4) Red Clay
2004 Italian Open QF, d. Svetlana Kuznetsova (YE Ranked #5) Red Clay
2005 Bausch and Lomb Championships 3R, d. Mary Pierce (YE Ranked #5) Green Clay
2008 German Open 3R, d. Agnieszka Radwanska (YE Ranked #10) Red Clay
2008 Family Circle Cup 4R, d. Maria Sharapova (YE Ranked #9) Green Clay
2008 Family Circle Cup F, d. Vera Zvonereva (YE Ranked #7) Green Clay


Serena's results at the French Open since her inaugural win in 2002 (**Top Ten Players She Defeated):

2009 QF
2008 3rd
2007 QF
2006 ---
2005 ---
2004 QF
2003 SF (QF: **defeated Amelie Mauresmo, YE Ranked #4)


Top Ten Players Who Have Defeated Serena at the French Open since her inaugural win in 2002:

2003 SF, Justine Henin-Hardenne (2003 FO Champion, YE Ranked #1)
2004 QF, Jennifer Capriati (2001 FO Champion, YE Ranked #10)
2005: DNP
2006: DNP
2007 QF Justine Henin (2007 FO Champion, YE Ranked #1)
2009 QF Svetlana Kuznetsova (2009 FO Champion, YE Ranked #3)


Serena's clay court titles since her inaugural French Open win in 2002:

(1) Family Circle Cup (2008) d. Vera Zvonareva (YE Ranked #7) Green Clay


Serena's clay court record by year since her inaugural French Open win in 2002:

2003: 12–3 (YE Ranked #3)
2004: 10–3 (YE Ranked #7)
2005: 2–2 (YE Ranked #11)
2006: 0–0 (YE Ranked #95)
2007: 6–3 (YE Ranked #7)
2008: 11–2 (YE Ranked #2)
2009: 4-4 (YE Ranked #1)

Serena's Red Clay Court Record since 2002 French Open: 31-12 = 72%


My prediction was that Serena faces an uphill battle in her quest for a 2nd French Open title. Based on Serena's actual clay court performance since her 2002 French Open win supports my prediction. You can't blindly ignore Serena's clay court results, or that of her contemporaries over the past few years to make a case for Serena being a heavy favorite at Roland Garros this year. Especially when you have admitted to not understanding "why clay would make a difference as far as that's (Serena's serve) concerned, I don't know."

I haven't been in this forum long, but I'm not impressed by the way you've interacted with me. You seem very defensive and negative most of the time and make a lot of emotional rants presented as facts when responding to logical statistical arguments. I find you to be intellectually dishonest on many levels. I've really enjoyed interacting with 99% of Serena fans in this forum. You are not one of them.

I like you MaryAnn:D

Thou I hate that this essential feud is between you and Denise. Denise is my Ace Boon Coon:angel:

Olórin
Feb 12th, 2010, 09:26 PM
i always do, you whitney-threaten-to-drop-for-serena-to-win bitch :rolleyes: :ras:

:spit: You go!!!

Steffica Greles
Feb 12th, 2010, 09:31 PM
So in other words she hasn't been for all these other slams?


What did I tell people?


Look, Serena is usually all talk. She's walked the walk enough times, but there have been rather a few more no shows when the red carpet was laid out specially.


She's the best player in the world even on clay at her best, I still believe that. But I think we'd better believe it when we see it.

Sund7101
Feb 12th, 2010, 09:44 PM
Yes, lets hope so and when Serena is in good shape her footwork is that much better.

Leaner=Better footwork/Able to get to the ball/Hit hard and dictate=French Open Title #2

Yeah Serena, win the doubles too!!!

Golovinjured.
Feb 12th, 2010, 11:27 PM
New fave poster Mary Ann :hearts:

dsanders06
Feb 12th, 2010, 11:50 PM
Um, Movement???:help:

Perhaps Azarenka's movement is marginally better than Sharapova's, but if it is then it's not by much. Maria's movement on hard courts is VERY underrated...

But one thing's for a certain, Maria is much superior to Azarenka in forehand, mental toughness and serve (assuming she isn't on one of her double-fault acid trips). Both have great backhands, though I'd give a slight edge to Maria there too. So, considering Azarenka has been consistently pushing Serena more than almost anyone in the past 12 months, it seems crazy to me that you'd think Sharapova would have no chance.

Matt01
Feb 12th, 2010, 11:52 PM
Perhaps Azarenka's movement is marginally better than Sharapova's, but if it is then it's not by much. Maria's movement on hard courts is VERY underrated...


And there are a lot of things that Sharapova does marginally better than Azarenka. Azarenka is a Sharapova clone, basically...

AcesHigh
Feb 13th, 2010, 12:05 AM
She's the best player in the world even on clay at her best,

Based on what?

New fave poster Mary Ann :hearts:

Mine too :worship:

G1Player2
Feb 13th, 2010, 12:17 AM
Perhaps Azarenka's movement is marginally better than Sharapova's, but if it is then it's not by much. Maria's movement on hard courts is VERY underrated...

But one thing's for a certain, Maria is much superior to Azarenka in forehand, mental toughness and serve (assuming she isn't on one of her double-fault acid trips). Both have great backhands, though I'd give a slight edge to Maria there too. So, considering Azarenka has been consistently pushing Serena more than almost anyone in the past 12 months, it seems crazy to me that you'd think Sharapova would have no chance.

Where has Azarenka pushed Serena besides Australia? And, no, I am not counting that win in Miami that Azarenka had when Serena was hobbling on one leg.

G1Player2
Feb 13th, 2010, 12:20 AM
Also, Mary Ann, your stats don't mean much. Serena came into the FO last May losing 4 matches in a row and most of the losses was because of injury and her health. She came into the FO and had chances to beat the eventual champion before she got tight. And, the eventual champion was healthy the ENTIRE claycourt season and had reached 2 premier claycourt finals and winning one of them. That speaks volumes.

dsanders06
Feb 13th, 2010, 12:46 AM
Where has Azarenka pushed Serena besides Australia? And, no, I am not counting that win in Miami that Azarenka had when Serena was hobbling on one leg.

It counts whether you like it or not. And there's the 2009 Australian match where Azarenka won the first set.

azinna
Feb 13th, 2010, 01:03 AM
2002-03 Body would be tough by May...and perhaps not healthy. I like her tone and movement of May 2008.

G1Player2
Feb 13th, 2010, 03:05 AM
What does that mean?

The statistics I provided were about the players. They are not my statistics. They are the results of the players. Their results don't matter?


Why do you think Serena has had such difficulties winning at the French Open since 2002, when she's repeated as champion at all the other majors?

Who cares about these stats?! Serena is still one of the favorites every time she enteres Roland Garros and in the last 10 years she only has not lost to the eventual champion once. It's just that she needs to get it together mentally, not let the crowd interrupt her, and not get nervous. Serena has blew some big leads at the French Open in her career. Her very 1st French Open, she was up a set and 4-1 against ASV and still lost the match. ASV went on to win it all.

Not to mention heartbreaking losses against Justine and Sveta where she had comfortavle leads in the final sets. And, besides that, Serena's French Open record, statistically speaking, isn't all that much different from Kim Clijsters. I happen to think that Kim Clijsters is one of the most formdiable clay court players out there, yet she has never won the French Open and in her past 5 attempts she has been knocked out before the quarters twice. In her best year on tour she lost to Lindsay Davenport of all people in the 4th round. :tape: Like Serena, she usally also loses to the evntual champion. It's just that Serena has to get it together mentally when she gathers a lead.

G1Player2
Feb 13th, 2010, 08:47 PM
:lol: And, that Mary Ann troll was banned. :lol:

vml
Feb 13th, 2010, 08:49 PM
:lol: And, that Mary Ann troll was banned. :lol:

Really ???? we're gonn a celebrate but don't tel anyone except for Mary Ann's haters :secret:

Arnian
Feb 15th, 2010, 06:41 AM
:lol: And, that Mary Ann troll was banned. :lol:

wow that didn't take very long :lol:

bandabou
Feb 15th, 2010, 07:13 AM
Perhaps Azarenka's movement is marginally better than Sharapova's, but if it is then it's not by much. Maria's movement on hard courts is VERY underrated...

But one thing's for a certain, Maria is much superior to Azarenka in forehand, mental toughness and serve (assuming she isn't on one of her double-fault acid trips). Both have great backhands, though I'd give a slight edge to Maria there too. So, considering Azarenka has been consistently pushing Serena more than almost anyone in the past 12 months, it seems crazy to me that you'd think Sharapova would have no chance.

:lol: We'll see..thing is Maria's been losing soo early, she ain't even getting to the stage to face Serena.

bandabou
Feb 15th, 2010, 07:20 AM
It counts whether you like it or not. And there's the 2009 Australian match where Azarenka won the first set.

:lol: And she won the first set this time too..and then what?

Bijoux0021
Feb 15th, 2010, 08:29 AM
:lol: And she won the first set this time too..and then what?
She's on the "Great White Hope" status list.

jrollaneres25
Feb 22nd, 2010, 06:33 PM
:lol: And, that Mary Ann troll was banned. :lol:

What happened? That was really quick!:confused:

jrollaneres25
Apr 8th, 2010, 05:51 AM
Does she look thinner to you guyz now?

Tennisstar86
Apr 8th, 2010, 06:31 AM
I dont see Justine making the second week at Roland Garros, with a combination of :Her new game and the huge amount of pressure on her.... You know shes gonna be the betting favorite...I wouldnt be surprised if neither Serena or Justine are in the second week come Roland Garros...

friendsita
Apr 8th, 2010, 06:50 AM
And I don't care if Serena is 300 lbs, if she can still win slams and come from behind to win, I'll enjoy it. :D So will she.

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

jrollaneres25
May 10th, 2010, 03:05 PM
So how does Serena look now Compared to January???


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/f5/fullj.21beb1fbcf0dd8b5ec3e883f3d6d20cd/21beb1fbcf0dd8b5ec3e883f3d6d20cd-getty-98299770jj005_mutua_madrile.jpg

http://gossiponthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/serena-jet.jpg

NyCPsU
May 10th, 2010, 03:13 PM
Honestly, she was so tired at the end of this match against Dushevina, I dont care how skinny she is, she doesnt seem fit enough to compete in long enduring clay court battles. She was huffing and puffing hardcore out there and it definitely contributed to some of those horrible ue's especially at the end. Her footwork was so lazy and I would credit that to how tired she was out there.

Olórin
May 10th, 2010, 03:15 PM
Honestly, she was so tired at the end of this match against Dushevina, I dont care how skinny she is, she doesnt seem fit enough to compete in long enduring clay court battles. She was huffing and puffing hardcore out there and it definitely contributed to some of those horrible ue's especially at the end. Her footwork was so lazy and I would credit that to how tired she was out there.

In that case you are wrong because she had horrible UEs and lazy footwork from the first minute of the match :shrug:
If she wasn't fit then she wouldn't have just lasted and won a 3 and half hour match.

BuTtErFrEnA
May 10th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Honestly, she was so tired at the end of this match against Dushevina, I dont care how skinny she is, she doesnt seem fit enough to compete in long enduring clay court battles. She was huffing and puffing hardcore out there and it definitely contributed to some of those horrible ue's especially at the end. Her footwork was so lazy and I would credit that to how tired she was out there.

in case you missed it...vera was huffing and puffing as well...you don't win 3.5 hour marathons being too unfit to compete in long enduring clay battles

SAEKeithSerena
May 10th, 2010, 04:29 PM
:)

azinna
May 10th, 2010, 04:29 PM
Yeah, her UE's were about form, lazy footwork and being mentally match-unfit. Physically, she seems to be at January's level, if not a touch better. Given her body type, that's a sign of serious work and dedication during her 3-month injury layoff.

Gdsimmons
May 10th, 2010, 04:39 PM
In that case you are wrong because she had horrible UEs and lazy footwork from the first minute of the match :shrug:
If she wasn't fit then she wouldn't have just lasted and won a 3 and half hour match.

Thank you :clap2::clap2:

50Sense
May 10th, 2010, 04:43 PM
So how does Serena look now Compared to January???


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/f5/fullj.21beb1fbcf0dd8b5ec3e883f3d6d20cd/21beb1fbcf0dd8b5ec3e883f3d6d20cd-getty-98299770jj005_mutua_madrile.jpg

http://gossiponthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/serena-jet.jpg

Not only is that "January" picture three years old, but it's photoshopped to death...

NyCPsU
May 10th, 2010, 04:43 PM
In that case you are wrong because she had horrible UEs and lazy footwork from the first minute of the match :shrug:
If she wasn't fit then she wouldn't have just lasted and won a 3 and half hour match.

She did but her footwork got progressively worse as the match went on, there is no denying that. She was moving like a cow by the end of the third set. Sorry but I think she is extremely lucky to get through this one, she was visibly suffering out there.

in case you missed it...vera was huffing and puffing as well...you don't win 3.5 hour marathons being too unfit to compete in long enduring clay battles

Clay season is about long matches day in and day out. She is clearly feeling the effects of last week as well. Between the two, Serena was visibly more exhausted than Vera, you would be crazy to say otherwise.

Credit to Serena to still pull out the win, but in my opinion she looked like she was dying out there. She will need quick matches in the next rounds to recover or she may not be so lucky next time.

stangtennis
May 10th, 2010, 05:01 PM
in case you missed it...vera was huffing and puffing as well...you don't win 3.5 hour marathons being too unfit to compete in long enduring clay battles
You do if your opponent is unfit too.

Gdsimmons
May 10th, 2010, 05:09 PM
She looked good to me:shrug::shrug:

bandabou
May 10th, 2010, 05:24 PM
:lol: So now you can't be tired after 3.5 hours match? Ookkkayyy! :spit:

Olórin
May 10th, 2010, 05:28 PM
She did but her footwork got progressively worse as the match went on, there is no denying that. She was moving like a cow by the end of the third set. Sorry but I think she is extremely lucky to get through this one, she was visibly suffering out there.



Clay season is about long matches day in and day out. She is clearly feeling the effects of last week as well. Between the two, Serena was visibly more exhausted than Vera, you would be crazy to say otherwise.

Credit to Serena to still pull out the win, but in my opinion she looked like she was dying out there. She will need quick matches in the next rounds to recover or she may not be so lucky next time.

Points taken - but she received treatment for injury did she not? Despite such a long match and some nagging harms she still managed to pull it out. To me that speaks of how in-shape she was in the first place. She should have finished it off at 5-2 anyway, or taken the SPs in the first.

But at the end of the day despite her apparent "on court death" and "movement like a cow" she still managed to lug that behind into position to hit some blistering winners to find the lines to finish the match.

Steffica Greles
May 11th, 2010, 03:31 AM
In that case you are wrong because she had horrible UEs and lazy footwork from the first minute of the match :shrug:
If she wasn't fit then she wouldn't have just lasted and won a 3 and half hour match.

Exactly! Serena always has horrible unforced errors and lazy footwork!

:lol:;)

Steffica Greles
May 11th, 2010, 03:35 AM
As for Serena, this is about as good as it'll get. She's not in great shape, but much better than a couple of years ago, or even a year ago. If she were a real workaholic I'd predict better, but Serena's not. She can win slams in this shape.

She'll never be the athlete she was in 2001-2003. She's almost a different player now. I remember in those days I rated nobody even close to Serena in athletic ability. Today, I'd rate several above her, including her sister. But that's not because the standard has raised; it's because she's declined.

AcesHigh
May 11th, 2010, 03:41 AM
Hey... she won a tough match out there the other day. 3 years ago, I'm not sure if she could have done that.
I don't think much has changed since January.. I think she'll be fine at RG and beyond. She seems headed for a very reduced schedule this year anyway.

tonybotz
May 11th, 2010, 03:42 AM
serena looks super-fit right now. "

luscious lips, banging hips, the WTA can't handle this!! :devil::devil:

tonybotz
May 11th, 2010, 03:43 AM
As for Serena, this is about as good as it'll get. She's not in great shape, but much better than a couple of years ago, or even a year ago. If she were a real workaholic I'd predict better, but Serena's not. She can win slams in this shape.

She'll never be the athlete she was in 2001-2003. She's almost a different player now. I remember in those days I rated nobody even close to Serena in athletic ability. Today, I'd rate several above her, including her sister. But that's not because the standard has raised; it's because she's declined.


i agree. venus in 2000-2001 and Re-Re from 1997-2004 had incredible physiques. they were lean, taut, and showed it off! they won matches by psyching opponents out in the locker room. now, venus looks the norm and serena can at times look borderline unfit. recently, though, they be rockin' them bods!

Bronx19
May 11th, 2010, 03:50 AM
Imagine how big Serena will get when she stops playing tennis.

tonybotz
May 11th, 2010, 04:03 AM
Imagine how big Serena will get when she stops playing tennis.

i think Common likes them bigger than him, if you know what i mean....

LeonHart
May 11th, 2010, 04:05 AM
i think Common likes them bigger than him, if you know what i mean....

Gross.

soomaal
May 11th, 2010, 04:14 AM
Gross.

Prude.

Gdsimmons
May 11th, 2010, 05:27 AM
What in the hell?? Serena will not get big. She's just gonna be a juicy, thick and curvy girl.

DOUBLEFIST
May 11th, 2010, 06:52 AM
As for Serena, this is about as good as it'll get. She's not in great shape, but much better than a couple of years ago, or even a year ago. If she were a real workaholic I'd predict better, but Serena's not. She can win slams in this shape.

She'll never be the athlete she was in 2001-2003. She's almost a different player now. I remember in those days I rated nobody even close to Serena in athletic ability. Today, I'd rate several above her, including her sister. But that's not because the standard has raised; it's because she's declined.
Who in "athletic ability", not shape, would you rate above her?

bandabou
May 11th, 2010, 07:08 AM
Steffica, no need to go overboard. we already discussed this.. Right now Serena isn't what she used to be, no denying that. Movement wise I think right now..Elena D, Vee, Justine, Kim and maybe Jelena Jankovic are tad better than Serena. That's it..you act like she's some Safina or Seles out there.

Arnian
May 11th, 2010, 07:11 AM
Steffica, no need to go overboard. we already discussed this.. Right now Serena isn't what she used to be, no denying that. Movement wise I think right now..Elena D, Vee, Justine, Kim and maybe Jelena Jankovic are tad better than Serena. That's it..you act like she's some Safina or Seles out there.

Serena's movement seemed good in Australia. She's never exactly been an amazing mover on the clay, so I don't see a huge difference.

But no she's obviously not a Seles or a Davenport :spit:

DOUBLEFIST
May 11th, 2010, 07:33 AM
Steffica, no need to go overboard. we already discussed this.. Right now Serena isn't what she used to be, no denying that. Movement wise I think right now..Elena D, Vee, Justine, Kim and maybe Jelena Jankovic are tad better than Serena. That's it..you act like she's some Safina or Seles out there.
But of those players, who would you say - aside from Vee - is a better ATHLETE than Serena? I don't see any of them as being a better athlete.

bandabou
May 11th, 2010, 07:48 AM
Serena can still do amazing things..witness that backhand volley she hit the other day against Jankovic. But movement wise specially when forced to go to the backhand corner, ain't what it used to be.

DOUBLEFIST
May 11th, 2010, 07:51 AM
Serena can still do amazing things..witness that backhand volley she hit the other day against Jankovic. But movement wise specially when forced to go to the backhand corner, ain't what it used to be.
I agree she's lost a step, but just looking at her from purely an athletic standpoint, I'd don't see too many other girls her equal - actually only Vee, who I think surpasses her in that category.

bandabou
May 11th, 2010, 07:58 AM
I agree she's lost a step, but just looking at her from purely an athletic standpoint, I'd don't see too many other girls her equal - actually only Vee, who I think surpasses her in that category.

Well, since she has the best serve in tennis...there might be some truth to your reasoning. :lol:

Bronx19
May 11th, 2010, 09:39 AM
What in the hell?? Serena will not get big. She's just gonna be a juicy, thick and curvy girl.

:lol:

No, she's very thick and juicy right now, playing tennis all day everyday.

She has the body type that will pack on weight with inactivity.

She's the only one on tour that can turn bike pants into panties.

BlameSerena
May 11th, 2010, 01:16 PM
Sorry yall but Serena is not thick at all. She has a huge ass and some thighage. That's all. She's very fit and extremely toned, muscular.

BuTtErFrEnA
May 11th, 2010, 01:47 PM
She did but her footwork got progressively worse as the match went on, there is no denying that. She was moving like a cow by the end of the third set. Sorry but I think she is extremely lucky to get through this one, she was visibly suffering out there.



Clay season is about long matches day in and day out. She is clearly feeling the effects of last week as well. Between the two, Serena was visibly more exhausted than Vera, you would be crazy to say otherwise.

Credit to Serena to still pull out the win, but in my opinion she looked like she was dying out there. She will need quick matches in the next rounds to recover or she may not be so lucky next time.

then i guess rafa should retire then since after his 3 and 4 hour battles with nole in hamburg and madrid respectively, he felt the effects of it the day after...amazing how that happened to one of THE fittest guys on the ATP...

serena herself said she doesn't like the early first matches...she came out sluggish...that doesn't equate to being unfit...you don't play a 2.5 hour match on friday, leave rome for madrid, then play a 3.5 hour match on monday without being fit...

Arnian
May 11th, 2010, 10:03 PM
then i guess rafa should retire then since after his 3 and 4 hour battles with nole in hamburg and madrid respectively, he felt the effects of it the day after...amazing how that happened to one of THE fittest guys on the ATP...

serena herself said she doesn't like the early first matches...she came out sluggish...that doesn't equate to being unfit...you don't play a 2.5 hour match on friday, leave rome for madrid, then play a 3.5 hour match on monday without being fit...

I actually agree with Buterena for once.

Serena couldn't have done all those things without being fit. She won the longest match of her career monday, so that should say something about her fitness

jrollaneres25
May 11th, 2010, 10:15 PM
As for Serena, this is about as good as it'll get. She's not in great shape, but much better than a couple of years ago, or even a year ago. If she were a real workaholic I'd predict better, but Serena's not. She can win slams in this shape.

She'll never be the athlete she was in 2001-2003. She's almost a different player now. I remember in those days I rated nobody even close to Serena in athletic ability. Today, I'd rate several above her, including her sister. But that's not because the standard has raised; it's because she's declined.

Are you serious? Venus has ALWAYS been a better athlete than Serena

Arnian
May 11th, 2010, 10:19 PM
Are you serious? Venus has ALWAYS been a better athlete than Serena

is she?

So Serena is just the better tennis player?

jrollaneres25
May 11th, 2010, 10:20 PM
is she?

So Serena is just the better tennis player?

Yes. That's my opinion

jrollaneres25
May 11th, 2010, 10:28 PM
is she?

So Serena is just the better tennis player?

I actually think Justine is the better tennis player

Arnian
May 11th, 2010, 10:29 PM
I actually think Justine is the better tennis player

A man after my own wisdom ;)

Donny
May 12th, 2010, 03:08 AM
Are you serious? Venus has ALWAYS been a better athlete than Serena

In terms of speed? Perhaps. In terms of strength and stamina? No way.

jrollaneres25
May 12th, 2010, 04:35 AM
In terms of speed? Perhaps. In terms of strength and stamina? No way.

Strength and Stamina? Serena has better stamina than Venus?:help:

bandabou
May 12th, 2010, 08:57 AM
:lol: The Serena formula..

better tennis player than Vee
better athlete than Juju
mentally tougher than BOTH

Et voila...greatest of her generation. :lol:

NyCPsU
May 13th, 2010, 12:53 AM
I stand by what I said earlier in this thread and think today proved it. Serena again was visibly exhausted out there. Her quality of tennis again dropped as the match when on. I am not saying she cant be tired after these long matches, that is obviously expected, but she is not in the shape the thread starter is making her out to be. All I am trying to say. :shrug:

Stamp Paid
May 13th, 2010, 01:02 AM
I stand by what I said earlier in this thread and think today proved it. Serena again was visibly exhausted out there. Her quality of tennis again dropped as the match when on. I am not saying she cant be tired after these long matches, that is obviously expected, but she is not in the shape the thread starter is making her out to be. All I am trying to say. :shrug:Youre seeing what you want to see.
Serena was fine physically, with the wrapping on her thigh and all. Venus was huffing and puffing in her match against Fran more than Serena was in her match. Mentally however, after losing 11 breakpoints in a row, her level dropped.
Serena is fitter now than she was at the AO, which is fitter than she was at the YEC last year. You can see it clearly in her photos, around her midsection, hips, and thighs. If she wasnt fit, this match today would have been over in straights, especially after the Dushevina match.

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 01:13 AM
I actually think Justine is the better tennis player
:eek: wtf!

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 01:15 AM
Strength and Stamina? Serena has better stamina than Venus?:help:
She does. That was made ridiculously clear in Australia. And again in Serena's match with Dushevina(sp).

Diesel
May 13th, 2010, 01:25 AM
Strength and Stamina? Serena has better stamina than Venus?:help:

Serena just about has better everything than Venus.

LightWarrior
May 13th, 2010, 02:48 AM
I've noticed Serena growing a very slight tummy. Or is it me ?

Steffica Greles
May 13th, 2010, 07:12 AM
I've noticed Serena growing a very slight tummy. Or is it me ?

Me too. Doubt she's pregnant though. Just the usual.

bandabou
May 13th, 2010, 10:44 AM
Me too. Doubt she's pregnant though. Just the usual.

:lol: U try too hard sometimes, but it's good one. ;)

The Dawntreader
May 13th, 2010, 10:46 AM
I thought Serena looked in superb shape in Rome. She was moving on clay better than she has for years.

What's all this 'slight tummy' reasoning? She was wearing two layers of attire in cold weather, it would make anyone look fat:lol:

The Witch-king
May 13th, 2010, 10:58 AM
I actually think Justine is the better tennis player

smh. As sweetpeas would say- go to bed.

bandabou
May 13th, 2010, 11:16 AM
First Nadia is a better clay-courter and now Justine is a better tennis player than Serena? Really??

Matt01
May 13th, 2010, 11:33 AM
First Nadia is a better clay-courter and now Justine is a better tennis player than Serena? Really??


Yes, really ;)

bandabou
May 13th, 2010, 12:04 PM
Yes, really ;)

12 majors say different though...but still nice try. ;)

Matt01
May 13th, 2010, 12:13 PM
12 majors say different though...but still nice try. ;)


I'm not talking about Majors. :)

Miss Amor
May 13th, 2010, 12:16 PM
12 majors say different though...but still nice try. ;)

Just ignore the troll. We all know Serena is the better player :)

bandabou
May 13th, 2010, 04:01 PM
I'm not talking about Majors. :)

Only objective measure, no?

Serena_4ever
May 13th, 2010, 05:40 PM
The RG is really up for grabs this year!! I am not completely convinced though that Henin will take the RG trophy this year!! I don't think personally she has had the best clay court season, but however it does have to be taken in mind that she has only been back on the tour for five months and I think she is still trying to reach her peak potential!! I am an absolutely massive Serena and Venus William's fan, and though I hate to say it, I don't see either of the William sisters taking the title either!! I think Serena is in good shape but, I think personally she always looks uncomfortable on the clay!! But I do, however think that Serena has not looked bad on the clay this year especially at Rome!! Madrid however was harsh! :-( But Serena always manages to amaze me at Grand Slams, she takes it to a whole other level, and again anything can happen in tennis!! The title is up for grabs from anyone this year though, which makes the RG very exciting!! :-)

Iceman778
May 13th, 2010, 05:48 PM
i enjoyed thanks

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 07:51 PM
I'm not talking about Majors. :)
Of course he's not talking majors. But rest assured if Juju had 13 majors, he'd be "talking about majors." :lol:

Gdsimmons
May 13th, 2010, 07:54 PM
Of course he's not talking majors. But rest assured if Juju had 13 majors, he'd be "talking about majors." :lol:

:bigclap::bigclap: Make it plain!!

Matt01
May 13th, 2010, 08:59 PM
Of course he's not talking majors. But rest assured if Juju had 13 majors, he'd be "talking about majors." :lol:


IF.IF.IF. That's all people like you can talk about. I'm talking about the reality, honey :wavey:

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 09:11 PM
Of course he's not talking majors. But rest assured if Juju had 13 majors, he'd be "talking about majors." :lol:

No offense to Matt but why are you always associating him with Justine?

You act like Matt is a regular in the HHQ, which he isn't? Not everyone who dislikes Serena is a Justine fan you know :help:

Matt01
May 13th, 2010, 09:14 PM
Errm...I AM a Justine fan. But of course since I am a tennis fan, I am also fan of other players.

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 09:15 PM
Errm...I AM a Justine fan. But of course since I am a tennis fan, I am also fan of other players.

Well he makes you out to be an obsessive Justine fan like me :angel:

:lol:

Matt01
May 13th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Well he makes you out to be an obsessive Justine fan like me :angel:

:lol:


All lies :p

I am a pretty big fan but I am not obsessed! :fiery:

Miss Amor
May 13th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Not everyone who dislikes Serena is a Justine fan you know :help:


I am a pretty big fan :fiery:

Ouch, owned by your own kind.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h235/ottman_turks/GIFs/22yk7-1.gif

Olórin
May 13th, 2010, 09:21 PM
All lies :p

I am a pretty big fan but I am not obsessed! :fiery:

Oh you're obsessed :lol: but not about Justine

:)

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 09:28 PM
Ouch, owned by your own kind.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h235/ottman_turks/GIFs/22yk7-1.gif

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee104/Arnian/12642296_gal.jpg

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 09:34 PM
... You act like Matt is a regular in the HHQ
Explain. HOW am I acting like that? I didn't mention that den of iniquity (ie, the HHQ). Never brought it up in association with the poster in question. You did.

Not everyone who dislikes Serena is a Justine fan you know No, but poster in question is and was, LONG before you showed your two faces around here. :wavey:

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 09:40 PM
Explain. HOW am I acting like that? I didn't mention that den of iniquity (ie, the HHQ). Never brought it up in association with the poster in question. You did.

No, but poster in question is and was, LONG before you showed your two faces around here. :wavey:

:lol: den of iniquity what are you from the old testate days?

I brought it up because it shows that yes he may be a big fan of hers, but he certainly isn't your average run of the mill Justine fan. Otherwise he'd post in the HHQ.

Also, was this time before or after you decided to be a big douche in gm :confused:

Serenita
May 13th, 2010, 09:47 PM
Ouch, owned by your own kind.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h235/ottman_turks/GIFs/22yk7-1.gif


:lol::lol::lol:

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 09:49 PM
...was this time before or after you decided to be a big douche in gm :confused:
Arni', I gave you the benefit of the doubt time after time - and took some heat for from my own. Yet, every time, you pull the same ol' two face routine.

:lol: You are in NO credible position to declare someone a "douche."

One thing you can say about me. Posters can ALWAYS know where they stand with me and will only get a problem from me if they're ridiculously disrespectful of my faves. Most know that.

Otherwise he'd post in the HHQ.
Not true. I and other Serena fans posted virtually exclusively in the GM before posting in SS.

DualMedia
May 13th, 2010, 09:52 PM
lol, they should create a thread for people to argue !! Serena( GOAT) vs. Henin (goat as in bahh)! fans

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 09:53 PM
Arni', I gave you the benefit of the doubt time after time - and took some heat for from my own. Yet, every time, you pull the same ol' two face routine.

:lol: You are in NO credible position to declare someone a "douche."

One thing you can say about me. Posters can ALWAYS know where they stand with me and will only get a problem from me if they're ridiculously disrespectful of my faves. Most know that.


Not true. I and other Serena fans posted virtually exclusively in the GM before posting in SS.

Right.... and you guys are the definition of respectful to Justine in the Serenslam?

Get off your hypocritical high horse Double :wavey:

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 09:58 PM
Right.... and you guys are the definition of respectful to Justine in the Serenslam

Get off your hypocritical high horse Double :wavey:
Go pull some of my post about Juju from Serena Slam and SHOW me where I've said anything REMOTELY as offensive as you have about Serena. (and I'm not talkin' about the "cheater" stuff. That's a LEGITIMATE matter of debate even by journalist outside this forum)

Show me. Do it and I'll relent. Until then, as I said, you have know credibility to judge... "poster douche-ness."

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 10:10 PM
Go pull some of my post about Juju from Serena Slam and SHOW me where I've said anything REMOTELY as offensive as you have about Serena. (and I'm not talkin' about the "cheater" stuff. That's a LEGITIMATE matter of debate even by journalist outside this forum)

Show me. Do it and I'll relent. Until then, as I said, you have know credibility to judge... "poster douche-ness."

No it's not about picking individual things you've said Double, it's about the fact that you guys repeatedly refer to Justine as Henis (make manly references with it), talk about how she has herpes and can spread it around, continually call her a cheater and a liar which is highly offensive to some people, and you guys are always belittling her. Then you turn around and try to put your hypocritical :bs: on me and other people in the HHQ who say a few bad things about Serena??

Now, just so you know, in the HHQ we actually rarely talk about Serena but low and behold the day that Serena says something highly insulting and highly bitchy about our fav .... well Double I'm sorry to say we didn't respond to it very well. Isn't that just shocking...
I expressed my opinion about how I viewed Serena after saying that in the HHQ and I said it again in GM. It made me mad, as it would any Justine fan and it would have made you mad you too if the roles were reversed.

But when you see the HHQ continually making references to Serena being a bully, a thug, talking about her being manly, and making allusions to her having sexual transmitted diseases on the regular then get back to me. Otherwise take your hypocrisy somewhere else.

DualMedia
May 13th, 2010, 10:15 PM
^^ lol, my BS meter just went off!
I read alot of posts about Serena! so dont say you lowly talk about her!

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 10:20 PM
No it's not about picking individual things you've said Double...

No, see, that's where you're wrong. You accused ME of saying things. Me.

So, as I said before, GO FIND the things that I've said that are REMOTELY similar to the bile you've spit at Serena. Go find that in the SS.

See, this is about what you accused ME of, not what you accused others in the SS of. You got a problem with what they say, go talk to them if you got the courage. In the meantime, let's keep it real. Go find what I'VE said about Henin in there. Go find where I'VE called her "Henis" or I've harped on the "herpes" issue. Go find it.

Don't whine to me just because you don't like what someone else says. I'm keepin' real. I don't like the TWO FACED stuff that YOU'VE said. Now, go find the vile disrespectful stuff I've said about Henin in the SS.

Which is more, I'm CONSISTANT about what I say about Henin. And if you were to look at the balance of my post about her you would find that I'm actually COMPLIMENTARY of her play and her accomplishments, but that's beside the point. The point is I'm CONSISTANT about her and not ridiculously disrespectful.

So, GO FIND where I'VE called Henin "Henis" "HERPES" etc, etc.

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 10:31 PM
No, see, that's where you're wrong. You accused ME of saying things. Me.

So, as I said before, GO FIND the things that I've said that are REMOTELY similar to the bile you've spit at Serena. Go find that in the SS.

See, this is about what you accused ME of, not what you accused others in the SS of. You got a problem with what they say, go talk to them if you got the courage. In the meantime, let's keep it real. Go find what I'VE said about Henin in there. Go find where I'VE called her "Henis" or I've harped on the "herpes" issue. Go find it.

Don't whine to me just because you don't like what someone else says. I'm keepin' real. I don't like the TWO FACED stuff that YOU'VE said. Now, go find the vile disrespectful stuff I've said about Henin in the SS.

Which is more, I'm CONSISTANT about what I say about Henin. And if you were to look at the balance of my post about her you would find that I'm actually COMPLIMENTARY of her play and her accomplishments, but that's beside the point. The point is I'm CONSISTANT about her and not ridiculously disrespectful.

So, GO FIND where I'VE called Henin "Henis" "HERPES" etc, etc.

You haven't but you certainly haven't spoken out against it. Where's your holier than thou sense of consistency with that? Have you ever heard of silently condoning?

I'm not whining about what anyone says in the Serenaslam, I could give a rats ass what's said about Justine in the Serena slam. I'm using the abundant material that's there to call you hypocritical for getting on my case.

The day that I start trashing you in the HHQ, then you'll have a reason to say something to me. Yet, until that day occurs if you don't like what I have to say about Serena then just don't come into the HHQ. It's Justine's thread and I have a right to express how I feel about Serena in it. If you don't like it then get the fuck over it! Just like Serena fans do about Justine in the Serenaslam. If anyone is being sensitive it's you.

I care about you disrespecting me double, not what you say about Justine in the Serenaslam. That has nothing to do with me.
Perhaps you should take that advice

DualMedia
May 13th, 2010, 10:51 PM
Whatever!!

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 10:59 PM
You haven't
And that's the end of the discussion because that's what were talkin' about here - being disrespectful to your fave. The rest of that :bs: you posted about not "speaking out against it" and "I only care about you disrespecting me..." blah, blah, whine, whine..., is just diversionary bullshit, an effort to hide the fact that you're trying to justify the vile, disrespectful bile that you spit at Serena.

The fact is I'M CONSISTENT in what I've said. And the only way you can hope to make your hypocrisy argument against me is by trying to make EVERY Serena fan answer for whatever ANY other Serena fan says. :lol: Would you like me to hold YOU to that standard? ...didn't think so.

Remember, you're the one that accused ME of being disrespectful to Juju in effort to obviate your reprehensible words about Serena. As before, go muster the courage, if you can, to talk those who HAVE said the things you've accused me of.

If anyone fair were to compare the things I'VE said (not other Serena fans) about Juju to the things YOU'VE said about Serena, the "douche-bag" award would go to YOU.

So, I've hope you've learned your lesson about trying to equate the things you say about Serena with what I'VE said about Juju. It would be a lesson well learned.

Tennisation
May 13th, 2010, 11:06 PM
Posters in this thread are so childish just like their favorite player. One's still a cheater and the other's still an immature cry baby who's stuck in the past.

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 11:08 PM
And that's the end of the discussion because that's what were talkin' about here - being disrespectful to your fave. The rest of that :bs: you posted about not "speaking out against it" and "I only care about you disrespecting me..." blah, blah, whine, whine..., is just diversion, an effort to hide the fact that you're trying to justify the vile, disrespectful bile that you spit at Serena. So, I've hope you've learned your lesson about trying to equate the things you say about Serena with what I'VE said about Juju.

The fact is I'M CONSISTENT in what I've said. And the only way you can hope to make your hypocrisy argument against me is by trying to make EVERY Serena fan answer for whatever ANY other says. :lol: Would you like me to hold YOU to that standard? ...didn't think so.

Remember, you're the one that accused ME of being disrespectful to Juju in effort to obviate your reprehensible words about Serena. As before, if you can muster the courage go talk to those who HAVE said the things you've accused me of. If anyone fair were to compare the things I'VE said (not other Serena fans) about Juju to the things YOU'VE said about Serena, the "douche-bag" award would go to YOU.

This isn't about just what you've posted you twat....

I said "you guys" that is not saying just YOU.... I was referencing everyone in the Serenaslam. So what if you're consistent about what you have to say about Justine? Not everyone else is going to feel the same way every single day about the same person. Emotions change, feelings change, people change, and people also get upset about rude statements. I said something mean about Serena, so what? I don't speak of her that way all the time and like I said I'm free to say whatever I want in the HHQ. If you truly gave a shit about people saying "vile" things then you'd walk the walk in the Serenaslam and try to stop the awful things said there. Yet, you don't care when it's not about Serena. You're a joke.

Like I said if I was whining I would be the one saying "oh no double you're so cruel for what you said about Justine in the Serenaslam, you're so mean about Justine calling her a cheater how dare you!" give me a break double, you sound like a whiny bitch.

I care what you have to say about me and last time I checked I wasn't running around trashing you in the HHQ, unlike some of the things you've said about me in the Serenaslam. I think if anyone should have an issue with anything anyone has said, it would be me with you, so once again get :help:

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 11:24 PM
I said "you guys" that is not saying just YOU....
:lol: are you angry? :baby:

Now you sound foolish.

How am I not included in "you guys?"

Arnian, you're a child in DESPERATE need of friends, so much so that you were willing to misrepresent who you ACTUALLY are when you first arrived. You're a poster in desperate search of a rep, running around seeking alliances with anyone, someone to make you feel better about yourself. I pity you. Now, you lead with calling me outside my name all because I've snatched your wig and because I pointed out how wrong you were to insinuate that I've said certain things about Juju.

Just own up to the fact that you were wrong to include me in that. Own up to it, if you've got some integrity. If I've wrongly accused you of something (other than the two faced thing because that's well documented) I have no problem owning up to it, as I did PUBLICLY in the Serena Slam not to long ago. You KNOW this about me - in fact you THANKED me for it. Shall I pull the PM? So don't try and NOW act like I wouldn't.

And for the record, you calling me sensitive has very little credibility here. Most know here that I try to give as good as I get and RARELY, RARELY report a post.

Honestly, Arni, seek some consoling. Get some help. Sort you're stuff out.

AcesHigh
May 13th, 2010, 11:30 PM
Why don't you two just get over it. it's a F*CKING ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD.

bandabou
May 13th, 2010, 11:31 PM
Arnian...but really what did you expect? Justine and her camp OPENLY admitted that they BLATANTLY did what they did years ago. So what u gonna do? Me, I already forgiven that part...it is what it is. but there are things you DON'T forget.

And now that Serena says she didn't put up her hand intentaionally the other day, because she isn't Justine..now you guys wanna cry? Justine herself didn't see nothing wrong with what she did, so why should she feel offended when someone calls her out?

Arnian
May 13th, 2010, 11:38 PM
:lol: are you angry? :baby:

Now you sound foolish.

How am I not included in "you guys?"

Arnian, you're a child in DESPERATE need of friends, so much so that you were willing to misrepresent who you ACTUALLY are when you first arrived. You're a poster in desperate search of a rep, running around seeking alliances with anyone, someone to make you feel better about yourself. I pity you. Now, you lead with calling me outside my name all because I've snatched your wig and because I pointed out how wrong you were to insinuate that I've said certain things about Juju.

Just own up to the fact that you were wrong to include me in that. Own up to it, if you've got some integrity. If I've wrongly accused you of something (other than the two faced thing because that's well documented) I have no problem owning up to it, as I did PUBLICLY in the Serena Slam not to long ago. You KNOW this about me - in fact you THANKED me for it. Shall I pull the PM? So don't try and NOW act like I wouldn't.

And for the record, you calling me sensitive has very little credibility here. Most know here that I try to give as good as I get and RARELY, RARELY report a post.

Honestly, Arni, seek some consoling. Get some help. Sort you're stuff out.


Double you are so high and mighty and condescending that you do not even see it in your posts. I think it's quite comical and sad that you're trying to lambast me personally now when you have no clue who I am, or what I'm like in real life :haha:

All of this over me trashing Serena in the HHQ? Really? Is it really that important to you that you're lashing out at me personally now. Are you really that immature?
Double yes you yourself have not said awful things about JuJu, (at least what you define to be awful) but that still doesn't negate the fact that you have no right to jump down my throat about saying my peace in the HHQ. Nor do you have the right to condemn me when you've done nothing to stop the things said about Justine in the serenaslam.

If you have a problem with me in the future about the things I say, be a man and come to me about it if it bothers you so much. Don't whine about me in the Serenaslam and then randomly spew at the mouth in gm. There's no way for me to know when you're just going to randomly be an ass for no reason otherwise, ok :wavey:

VishaalMaria
May 13th, 2010, 11:45 PM
Ridiculous.

Too emotionally involved some people are with their favourite tennis players.

DOUBLEFIST
May 13th, 2010, 11:52 PM
Ridiculous.

Too emotionally involved some people are with their favourite tennis players.
:lol: *sigh* Yes, okay, true. I confess.

But actually, more than anything, it's really a battle for the last word. :lol:

Gdsimmons
May 13th, 2010, 11:56 PM
This is utterly ridiculous. Its not even about Serena's form. Its about Serena v Justine YET AGAIN!! smfh. She has no business even in this thread but whatever

Mina Vagante
May 14th, 2010, 12:07 AM
People, chill out.

Arnian really isn't that bad. In fact, I quite like him as a poster. :cool:

Arnian
May 14th, 2010, 12:10 AM
Ridiculous.

Too emotionally involved some people are with their favourite tennis players.

You're right and so is double, we spent an hour fighting a pissing contest.

I actually like double :lol:

Miss Amor
May 14th, 2010, 12:17 AM
People, chill out.

Arnian really isn't that bad. In fact, I quite like him as a poster. :cool:

You would hump anything with a pulse.

DOUBLEFIST
May 14th, 2010, 12:18 AM
People, chill out.

Arnian really isn't that bad. In fact, I quite like him as a poster. :cool:

Arnian's Okay...


...without the Henin part that goes along with him. :devil:

MrSerenaWilliams
May 14th, 2010, 12:19 AM
You would hump anything with a pulse.



Arnian's Okay...


...without the Henin part that goes along with him. :devil:


^ OOPS! (to the BOTH of them)

and for the record.....(getting things back onto the damned TOPIC! :rolleyes: )

Serena's (physical) form is lookin A-OK! :cool:

Mina Vagante
May 14th, 2010, 12:20 AM
You would hump anything with a pulse.

Apart from no, and I didn't even mention me being attracted to him :rolleyes:

VishaalMaria
May 14th, 2010, 12:23 AM
You would hump anything with a pulse.

Is sex always on your mind? :lol::lol:

DOUBLEFIST
May 14th, 2010, 12:23 AM
Going to get my popcorn.
Actually, it's quite anti-climatic. :shrug: I did try though. :lol:

mykarma
May 14th, 2010, 12:24 AM
Ouch, owned by your own kind.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h235/ottman_turks/GIFs/22yk7-1.gif
:happy::happy::happy:

Tennisation
May 14th, 2010, 12:25 AM
Apart from no, and I didn't even mention me being attracted to him :rolleyes:
Serena fan and Justine fan hooking up? How will Serena and Justine feel about this :eek:. This is like Romeo & Juliet...or Julian. I don't think both sides of the family will approve.

Serenita
May 14th, 2010, 12:27 AM
This is utterly ridiculous. Its not even about Serena's form. Its about Serena v Justine YET AGAIN!! smfh. She has no business even in this thread but whatever

Agreed!

mykarma
May 14th, 2010, 12:36 AM
Explain. HOW am I acting like that? I didn't mention that den of iniquity (ie, the HHQ). Never brought it up in association with the poster in question. You did.

No, but poster in question is and was, LONG before you showed your two faces around here. :wavey:

Arni', I gave you the benefit of the doubt time after time - and took some heat for from my own. Yet, every time, you pull the same ol' two face routine.

:lol: You are in NO credible position to declare someone a "douche."

One thing you can say about me. Posters can ALWAYS know where they stand with me and will only get a problem from me if they're ridiculously disrespectful of my faves. Most know that.


Not true. I and other Serena fans posted virtually exclusively in the GM before posting in SS.

You would hump anything with a pulse.
:spit:

Miss Amor
May 14th, 2010, 12:45 AM
Me too. Doubt she's pregnant though. Just the usual.

You think this is fat?--

http://i43.tinypic.com/2rm74f5.jpg


Really??!

Then what do you call this? -

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h235/ottman_turks/GIFs/258ywis-1.gif

young_gunner913
May 14th, 2010, 12:49 AM
Then what do you call this? -

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h235/ottman_turks/GIFs/258ywis-1.gif

caralenko? :A

Caralenko
May 14th, 2010, 12:49 AM
caralenko? :A

bradbury? :A

gardengnome3
May 14th, 2010, 12:50 AM
You think this is fat?--


Then what do you call this? -

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h235/ottman_turks/GIFs/258ywis-1.gif

wildly attractive?

gardengnome3
May 14th, 2010, 01:00 AM
Did I hear the word herpes?

Aaron.
May 31st, 2010, 03:10 AM
:sobbing: :sobbing:


See what I did there? Its called multi-quoting! :wavey::sobbing:

NyCPsU
May 31st, 2010, 07:02 AM
:sobbing:

That would be one of my favorite posts ever on this site. :devil:

The Witch-king
Mar 21st, 2011, 01:45 AM
not only that, but she doesn't actually *have* the title. It belongs to Svetlana "I will probably lose in R1" Kuznetsova :hearts:
:haha: I doubt that will happen now in Svrta's career



:lol: am i good or am i good

Shvedbarilescu
Mar 21st, 2011, 02:16 AM
:lol: am i good or am i good

If Kuznetsova did actually lose in the 1st round of the 2010 Roland Garros then I would say, yes, you are very good indeed, a good call. But she didn't lose in the 1st round, so I can't really say you are good at all. :shrug:

Shadowcat
Mar 21st, 2011, 03:56 AM
Everyone back to the topic! :topic:

I think she looks fine the way she is now. But I would love to see her really lean for RG. Tennis is not that competitive and challenging anymore without the best players on tour.

Dominic
Mar 21st, 2011, 04:22 AM
Her thighs and ass are gigantic.

The Witch-king
Mar 21st, 2011, 05:28 PM
If Kuznetsova did actually lose in the 1st round of the 2010 Roland Garros then I would say, yes, you are very good indeed, a good call. But she didn't lose in the 1st round, so I can't really say you are good at all. :shrug:

It's not my fault that German chick choked

debby
Mar 21st, 2011, 07:18 PM
Okay, I am bumping old threads, they are closed, some bump old threads as well, they don't get closed... Ugh.

champion88
Mar 21st, 2011, 08:39 PM
I'm not worried about what she looks like as long as she is healthy and back on the court soon that's all that matters, then fitness will follow

Olórin
Mar 21st, 2011, 08:51 PM
Huh? :scratch:


Well Serena had set points in that 1st set, so judging by your theory Serena should have won the match in 2 sets.

So in other words she hasn't been for all these other slams?


What did I tell people?


Look, Serena is usually all talk. She's walked the walk enough times, but there have been rather a few more no shows when the red carpet was laid out specially.


She's the best player in the world even on clay at her best, I still believe that. But I think we'd better believe it when we see it.

Have you played on clay before?

New fave poster Mary Ann :hearts:

Imagine how big Serena will get when she stops playing tennis.

So many banned posters are still with us in threads like these :sobbing:
I miss the first three.

Rome
Mar 21st, 2011, 09:21 PM
So many banned posters are still with us in threads like these :sobbing:
I miss the first three.

OMG Denise4925 got banned.:eek:

Olórin
Mar 21st, 2011, 09:24 PM
OMG Denise4925 got banned.:eek:

Yup :sad:

Alejandrawrrr
Mar 21st, 2011, 09:38 PM
I was wondering why there weren't any threads being opened about "Chunkova"s or whatever Steffica liked to call them :sad:

NyCPsU
Mar 21st, 2011, 09:55 PM
This thread just wont die. :rolls:

Denise's last stand. :sad:

RenaSlam.
Mar 22nd, 2011, 12:31 AM
Miss you, Denise.

jrollaneres25
Mar 22nd, 2011, 01:10 AM
Wow who bumped my thread?

mykarma
Mar 22nd, 2011, 03:10 AM
Miss you, Denise.
Saw Denise on facebook yesterday and she's trying to stop smoking. :lol:

perseus2006
Mar 22nd, 2011, 03:29 AM
People, pulmonary embolisms are no insignificant issue, a lacerated foot requiring two surgeries to put back together is no insignificant issue.

Before talking about all this crap about how "lean" Serenka will be or whether or not she can beat Woz or how easily she will win Wimbledon, etc. Lets see if she ever gets back on tour!

It's not a given fact that she can overcome these two tramas, regardless of the fact her name will be used to entice people to buy into tournaments (proceeds to Serenka's bank account).

AkademiQ
Mar 22nd, 2011, 06:09 AM
People, pulmonary embolisms are no insignificant issue, a lacerated foot requiring two surgeries to put back together is no insignificant issue.

Before talking about all this crap about how "lean" Serenka will be or whether or not she can beat Woz or how easily she will win Wimbledon, etc. Lets see if she ever gets back on tour!

It's not a given fact that she can overcome these two tramas, regardless of the fact her name will be used to entice people to buy into tournaments (proceeds to Serenka's bank account).


Go be a twat somewhere else.