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Beny
Feb 7th, 2010, 03:48 PM
She reminds me of Petkovic this weekend. She plays nothing. Her game is such a mess. Nothing is working for her really.

It will take loads of work to bring it back to her 2008 level. (first half)

slamchamp
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:22 PM
I feel so bad for her

InsideOut.
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:23 PM
Yes it is. And she can play worse still.

Young 8
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:23 PM
She's Done


Stick A Fork

slamchamp
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:25 PM
Playing like that in front of her team, for her country must have been really tough

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:26 PM
She's young, and she has top 7 talent.
But she needs something to stabilize her game.
I'm not sure what that is. Maybe play some Mickey Mouse events and get confidence

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:26 PM
She got good contracts before her slump at least

Edinboro
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:27 PM
After she looses Dubai and Indian Wells points she could go as low as 57 in the world. :O

Young 8
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:28 PM
She's young, and she has top 7 talent.
But she needs something to stabilize her game.



Something said the same thing about VAIDISOVA 1 year ago

Craig.
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:29 PM
And the worst thing is, I've seen her play much worse :tape: :o

Nikkiri
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:29 PM
Pretty much. Sad thing is she can still probably get worse.

Needs to see a sports physiologist and hire a full time coach.

Temperenka
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:29 PM
I agree, goldenlox, she needs to start playing some 'Tier 4' equivalents to help her find her form. She needs to just focus on one thing at a time and stay positive. She may be playing horrible tennis, but she is still in the top 30 and is still young. Come on, Ana,... find that killer form again!

ys
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:31 PM
She is definitely a wreck. First and foremost .. apart from that toss .. atrocious footwork .. worth a club level player at best. Forehand is still cooking, but that's about it.

Patrick345
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:31 PM
She reminds me of Petkovic this weekend. She plays nothing. Her game is such a mess. Nothing is working for her really.



What. How dare you. At least Petkovic has won a WTA tournament in 2009.

VishaalMaria
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Tennis basics: Throw the ball up in the air, straight.

Ana can't even get that right, the only thing that's keeping her in some matches and maybe winning them is her forehand.

slamchamp
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:33 PM
Tennis basics: Throw the ball up in the air, straight.

Ana can't even get that right, the only thing that's keeping her in some matches and maybe winning them is her forehand.
the forehand is all over the place:shrug:

The Daviator
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:33 PM
Well I've never seen her play worse :lol: Can't wait until after IW when she falls out of the top 50, and maybe she'll make some dramatic changes, if she's ever to get back to her old self, it will take several years IMO.

mapaliey
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:34 PM
OMG...i see her play like amateur today...what a shame from the former "it" girl on tour...

play2win_win4fun
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:36 PM
It's not even "exciting" anymore to laugh at her ball toss :crying2:
Where are those RIP avatars?

Graf~Dokic
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:42 PM
It's not only that she's playing badly, but even with the support of her team mates and her home crowd she's been playing badly...

I don't think she will ever regain her early 2008 form.

goldenlox
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:47 PM
There were some good shots in the match. But no consistency.
I think play steady, make safer decisions. Even if it gets her beat. Same for Alisa.
There is no base of consistency. It looks random and without thought from shot to shot

mickymouse
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:50 PM
She did play better in the second sets for both days. But her serve is just not consistent enough. Some of her second serve ball tosses were out of this world.:lol:

Beny
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:53 PM
She is a mixture of Hantuchova and Petkovic at their worst now.

I dont think playing Mickey Mouse events is a key. No matter who stands on the other side of the court (as long as the person manages to keep first 4-5 balls in) she is gonna lose.

She is rushing like crazy. The way she plays now is never gonna work, trying to hit great winners all the time ending in 9 stupid errors while 1 good shot.

She should practise a lot and do sth with her head.

to that 'How dare u' post: Have u seen Petkovic play this weekend? I was referring only to those two matches

Boreas
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:55 PM
So many potential trainers and shrinks on this board:eek:

blueskye
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:56 PM
It is sad to see how poor her game has become and her mental state at this point :tape: Really, can someone do something and make it quick before she is beyond saving?? She needs a full time coach and to start with the basics, like sorting out her serve! I really miss the old Ana, she doesnt even seem confident about anything in her game anymore..

hankqq
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:58 PM
the crazy ball toss, which is a result of her nerves, is throwing off the rest of her game :shrug: The serve is one of the most important parts of Ana's game, so if that's not working, everything else falls apart...obviously she knows how to toss the ball correctly but it's all mental. If she overcomes this problem, she can get back to being an elite player.

Certainly it won't be easy, but other players have come back from major slumps before.

wally1
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Something said the same thing about VAIDISOVA 1 year agoBig difference is Ivanovic still cares - there was a period where Vaidisova just wasn't interested. In some ways Ivanovic is trying too hard.

Ivanovic needs to work like hell on her ball toss, and then gain confidence by winning some matches. That could be lower level WTA, ITF's or just beating up on some Serbian juniors. Hope she comes back - I was never a big fan but really sad to see her play like she did this weekend.

madmax
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:25 PM
never been a fan of this girl, but someone tell me, what is happening to her ball toss nowadays? Why did she suddenly started using this strange jerking toss when serving? Something to do with injuries, confidence or what?

Vanity Bonfire
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:31 PM
In the doubles match, Jankovic and Ivanovic hit 4 winners and 20 UEs in the first set of the doubles :tape:. Most of those are from Ivanovic's racket.

Beny
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:32 PM
So many potential trainers and shrinks on this board:eek:

I've worked as a coach since 2005. Of course im not coaching Safina but it´ s not like ppl here dont know anything about tennis. and btw. the coach that taught me how to coach was a former trainer of Chantal Skamlova, the AO 2010 Junior doubles Champ and No.1 doubles junior atm.

FORZA SARITA
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:34 PM
she's even worse in doubles :lol:

Just Do It
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:36 PM
Yes, but the worst thing is she said in the on court interview she is happy with her game today.

Mistress of Evil
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:39 PM
Her ball toss :tape:

JackFrost
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:39 PM
Yes, but the worst thing is she said in the on court interview she is happy with her game today.
:help:
The girl lives in an other reality. :wavey:
I wouldn´t blame Jankovic, if a serve of her hit Ivanovics backhead. Maybe the girl wakes up.

#kArLoS#
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:40 PM
Yes, but the worst thing is she said in the on court interview she is happy with her game today.

really?:tape:.She must be joking,its the only explanation:haha:

Nikkiri
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:43 PM
Ana always says that. Sadly things won't get better for her unless she starts facing the facts.

And she isn't THAT bad in doubles.. well considering she's not a doubles player.

Just Do It
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:45 PM
Yeah, she keeps on saying the same thing. She was asked today what is wrong with her game and she said : I just need some time to get completely into the game.
She is saying that for 16 months now. If she doesn't change something ASAP she will end up like Vaidisova.

The Dawntreader
Feb 7th, 2010, 05:46 PM
Her backhand has become one of THE cringe shots in tennis, along with her serve of course, to which the frailities have been well documented.

Such random indecision, when she starts moonballing or resorting to the most ineffectual slice backhands. Her backhand has never been a match-winning shot, but it has certainly shown no signs of progression recently. Back at the AO in '08 it actually looked to be a shot that had solidified, but to to no avail.

The thing with Ana is, is she isn't an all-consuming player. Sharapova can get through the doldrums IMO because she still has innate and explosive weaponry. Ivanovic's forehand has reduced in pace and general accuracy since '07.

2moretogo
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:13 PM
After that dubs match, yes. She is lacking so much confidence. I said it during AO, I don't care if she catches that ball 1 time or a hundred. She can NOT chase her toss like that. She might as well serve underhand. She would prolly win more points.

BlameSerena
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:16 PM
No confidence. That was kind of hard to watch.

Patrick345
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:23 PM
After that dubs match, yes. She is lacking so much confidence. I said it during AO, I don't care if she catches that ball 1 time or a hundred. She can NOT chase her toss like that. She might as well serve underhand. She would prolly win more points.

Honestly I don´t get it. How can you throw a ball 30 cms right, when you are asked to throw it straight up. You´d get an F in elementary school sports, if you are that uncoordinated. :tape::tape:
I´d imagine a pro athlete has enough coordination to throw a ball in the air. :sad:

terjw
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:28 PM
Sam Smith was a commentator in the doubles match and said she had a 4-point plan for Ana. I didn't catch what it was but I know one on them was for Ana to to play more doubles.

BlameSerena
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:32 PM
Honestly I don´t get it. How can you throw a ball 30 cms right, when you are asked to throw it straight up. You´d get an F in elementary school sports, if you are that uncoordinated. :tape::tape:
I´d imagine a pro athlete has enough coordination to throw a ball in the air. :sad:
She just can't get command of it. I think she may be dealing with anxiety. jmo

Patrick345
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:36 PM
Sam Smith was a commentator in the doubles match and said she had a 4-point plan for Ana. I didn't catch what it was but I know one on them was for Ana to to play more doubles.

Yeah I guess with a better doubles player and friend it would be a way to get carried, cheered up, and not get so down on yourself. A full time coach for singles and an "on court assistant" in doubles wouldn´t be such a bad idea. But who knows how badly Ana really wants it. She and Vaidisova can talk all they want. They have to keep their sponsors happy afterall.

sammy01
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:39 PM
Her backhand has become one of THE cringe shots in tennis, along with her serve of course, to which the frailities have been well documented.

Such random indecision, when she starts moonballing or resorting to the most ineffectual slice backhands. Her backhand has never been a match-winning shot, but it has certainly shown no signs of progression recently. Back at the AO in '08 it actually looked to be a shot that had solidified, but to to no avail.

The thing with Ana is, is she isn't an all-consuming player. Sharapova can get through the doldrums IMO because she still has innate and explosive weaponry. Ivanovic's forehand has reduced in pace and general accuracy since '07.

i totally agree, her backhand is almost club level now, theres no pace on it, it is either looped midcourt, or that useless slice comes out. it was never her weapon, but i cant believe it has got this bad. her mistiming of it was comical in the doubles when she had to run behind jj and hit one up high round her shoulders. she sometimes mistimes it so much it basically dribbles off her racket and hasn' the pace to make it past the net even if it was high enough.

hankqq
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:41 PM
Honestly I don´t get it. How can you throw a ball 30 cms right, when you are asked to throw it straight up. You´d get an F in elementary school sports, if you are that uncoordinated. :tape::tape:
I´d imagine a pro athlete has enough coordination to throw a ball in the air. :sad:

what part of "it's mental" don't you understand? :lol: she knows how to toss the ball but she gets tight and the toss gets messed up :shrug: Dementieva had ball toss problems for much of the 2000's and didn't get a handle on her serve until 2007-08. Sure she'll still have bad serving days every now and then, but her toss is much improved from where it used to be.

So Dementieva is proof right there that this can be fixed :shrug: It might just take time for Ana :shrug:

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:44 PM
she's s a complete mess :bigcry:
but still she's a HOT mess

sammy01
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:48 PM
what part of "it's mental" don't you understand? :lol: she knows how to toss the ball but she gets tight and the toss gets messed up :shrug: Dementieva had ball toss problems for much of the 2000's and didn't get a handle on her serve until 2007-08. Sure she'll still have bad serving days every now and then, but her toss is much improved from where it used to be.

So Dementieva is proof right there that this can be fixed :shrug: It might just take time for Ana :shrug:

it is not just mental anymore, her release point (when the ball leaves her hand on the toss) is far too early thus she loses control of it and it more 'slips' out her hand than her throwing it.

hankqq
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:54 PM
it is not just mental anymore, her release point (when the ball leaves her hand on the toss) is far too early thus she loses control of it and it more 'slips' out her hand than her throwing it.

and you don't think this has anything to do with nerves and getting tight? It's hard to do the right things if you have anxiety. She didn't always have this problem, and I'm sure her coach has her tossing it properly in practice.

Vanity Bonfire
Feb 7th, 2010, 06:59 PM
and you don't think this has anything to do with nerves and getting tight? It's hard to do the right things if you have anxiety. She didn't always have this problem, and I'm sure her coach has her tossing it properly in practice.

In the Fed Cup doubles she looked as relaxed as anything and the ball toss was wonking off all over the place :shrug:

Mynarco
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:01 PM
Ana Ivanovic is on my #1 hate list now. Seriously, playing shit is not a problem, but she makes jj's working hard for NOTHING. Disgraceful.

sammy01
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:01 PM
and you don't think this has anything to do with nerves and getting tight? It's hard to do the right things if you have anxiety. She didn't always have this problem, and I'm sure her coach has her tossing it properly in practice.

my point is it is something technical that should be able to be ironed out. any coach worth their money sould have sorted that toss by now, given her a way of coping when she is nervous. i think there are far too many people around her saying 'it will happen', not unless she makes it happen it wont.

the fact that she still says shes playing ok and her game will fall into place just makes me cringe, who is telling her this shit.

hankqq
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:05 PM
In the Fed Cup doubles she looked as relaxed as anything and the ball toss was wonking off all over the place :shrug:

i agree she looked more relaxed, but there was some apprehension when she served :shrug: and I think the bad ball toss has become a habit for her now. My point is, obviously the technique is off, but I think the cause is mental. She didn't always do this, and I'm sure she didn't purposely change her ball toss to what she's doing now.

Nikkiri
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Ana Ivanovic is on my #1 hate list now. Seriously, playing shit is not a problem, but she makes jj's working hard for NOTHING. Disgraceful.

How pathetic. :lol: I'm sure Jelena doesn't hold it against her.

Borislove
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:10 PM
This is the worst I've seen her since Zurich 2004 (more than 5 years). And I think she even used to play better than now before that 2004 match against Venus too.

-NAJ-
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Ana Ivanovic is on my #1 hate list now. Seriously, playing shit is not a problem, but she makes jj's working hard for NOTHING. Disgraceful.

don't say that. i'm sure that she tried her best but her game is poor right now:sad: alisa and sveta were too much for her level of game

hankqq
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:11 PM
my point is it is something technical that should be able to be ironed out. any coach worth their money sould have sorted that toss by now, given her a way of coping when she is nervous. i think there are far too many people around her saying 'it will happen', not unless she makes it happen it wont.

the fact that she still says shes playing ok and her game will fall into place just makes me cringe, who is telling her this shit.

I agree but then again, it took Dementieva a while to fix her problems :shrug: It's hard to say whether Ana is just saying she's happy with her game to get the press off her back so they won't ask more questions, or whether she really believes she's playing well :lol:

and again, the commentators would say all the time that often Dementieva would serve perfectly in practice, but then when she would play matches she would fall back into those horrible serving patterns. I haven't heard commentators say anything about how Ivanovic looks in practice so far though.

so really, I think it's just gonna take time. :shrug: Hopefully she'll rebound though :)

Ferg
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:13 PM
She should start playing some 10Ks to get confidence back.

Joana
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:14 PM
my point is it is something technical that should be able to be ironed out. any coach worth their money sould have sorted that toss by now, given her a way of coping when she is nervous. i think there are far too many people around her saying 'it will happen', not unless she makes it happen it wont.

the fact that she still says shes playing ok and her game will fall into place just makes me cringe, who is telling her this shit.

I agree. I don't think it's all mental or a matter of self confidence anymore, it's taken far too long. I'm starting to think she's not practising enough or well enough.
The ball toss is not the only problem. Her footwork is horrendous now and her FH is like 60% of what it was.

sammy01
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:18 PM
I agree but then again, it took Dementieva a while to fix her problems :shrug: It's hard to say whether Ana is just saying she's happy with her game to get the press off her back so they won't ask more questions, or whether she really believes she's playing well :lol:

and again, the commentators would say all the time that often Dementieva would serve perfectly in practice, but then when she would play matches she would fall back into those horrible serving patterns. I haven't heard commentators say anything about how Ivanovic looks in practice so far though.

so really, I think it's just gonna take time. :shrug: Hopefully she'll rebound though :)

dementieva, like ivanovic now, was her own worst enemy. she would seek outside help but never properly let them help or adjust her game. thankfully mummy vera seems to have taken a step back a little and dementieva has had more constant outside input from hitters and coaches, who now even travel with her. it has made a huge deifference to her game, both serve wise and in other areas, it is just a shame that it took her about 3 years to get that help on a constant basis.

The Witch-king
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:23 PM
i agree she looked more relaxed, but there was some apprehension when she served :shrug: and I think the bad ball toss has become a habit for her now. My point is, obviously the technique is off, but I think the cause is mental. She didn't always do this, and I'm sure she didn't purposely change her ball toss to what she's doing now.

if i recall people were talking about her toss in the 07 french final. Really it seems to be her "thing"

sammy01
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:24 PM
I agree. I don't think it's all mental or a matter of self confidence anymore, it's taken far too long. I'm starting to think she's not practising enough or well enough.
The ball toss is not the only problem. Her footwork is horrendous now and her FH is like 60% of what it was.

i agree, her whole game seems to be lacking, she looks rusty and yes her footwork has gone south. all these are tell-tale signs that she isn't practicing enough.

chak has only just owned up to not working hard enough through the end of 08 and 09, she admitted practicing was the last thing she wanted to do and was at some points actively not wanting to be anywhere near a racket. it has had a lasting effect, and even though she is woirking harder now, her footwork is still not anywhere near where it was and may never be again.

once you let these things slip, it becomes so much harder to get them back.

DontGetItTwisted
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:25 PM
I dunno. I just know she looks so dumb right now, she's a mufukin dummy! And I'm mad at her because I find her lovely to watch on clay.
Most frustrating player ever.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:29 PM
I agree. I don't think it's all mental or a matter of self confidence anymore, it's taken far too long. I'm starting to think she's not practising enough or well enough.
The ball toss is not the only problem. Her footwork is horrendous now and her FH is like 60% of what it was.

I actually think her forehand is as much of a problem as the serve is now. The serve is the more obvious problem, but her forehand is also all over the place. If you pay close atention to it, Ana is mistiming the FH 90% of the times. That has lead her to try to compensate it pulling the follow through too much behind her head. She hits the forehand late on so many ocasions, that she is now hesitating when she has an easy forehand finish, which makes her miss.

Apart from that, her forehand has lost a lot of pace, and even more so it has lost the weight of shot it once had. Ana could not only hit her forehand fast, she would also hit it pretty heavy. Now it's almost like a puff shot really. Obviously, she can hit the eventual flashy forehand winner, but those are rare..

The core of Ana's game was always the serve and the forehand. Neither is working now.. Even when her serve was not at its best, sometimes she could pull out wins because of her forehand. But what was once a top class forehand is nowadays nothing more than average.

I'm not going to comment on the serve or the backhand, because it's already been discussed, and it's club level at this point. But how ordinary her forehand looks, the obvious technical flaws it didn't have before, the loss of pace and weight.. that is hurting her a whole lot as well. She used to have that forehand as an anchor.. something she would resort to, she would trust to get the job done. Now it doesn't get anything done, and she has lost all faith in it.

Minotaur
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:31 PM
Actually it looked like she doesn't care about tennis that much now days (from what i've seen on TV)

Vikapower
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:35 PM
I've read most of the posts on this thread and most of everything that is said makes Ana's future very very very very dark. :eek: If I understand well Ana is not far from beeing the next Vaidisova ? Oh so then, farewell Ana.:sad:

VishaalMaria
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:38 PM
what part of "it's mental" don't you understand? :lol: she knows how to toss the ball but she gets tight and the toss gets messed up :shrug:

That makes no sense to me.

I'd understand if her toss was like that in the third set of a match or, in a tight situation, but for example, against Shenay Perry at the Australian Open she was throwing her ball up wayward in the early stages of the match. Why would she get "tight" in the early stages of a 1st round match against a qualifier?

ys
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:45 PM
I actually think her forehand is as much of a problem as the serve is now. The serve is the more obvious problem, but her forehand is also all over the place. If you pay close atention to it, Ana is mistiming the FH 90% of the times..

That is not necessarily a fh problem. In Ana's case it is in much greater extent a problem of ridiculously poor footwork.

dsanders06
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:49 PM
I'm glad people here aren't suggesting she should take a break, as if that will magically cure her problems. As hard as it is, she just has to try and work her way through it. Running away and hiding isn't going to solve anything.

For a start, she needs to stop being so ridiculously deluded with her schedule. I can't remember the last time she played an event that wasn't a Slam or a Premier 5/Mandatory. I'm not saying she should drop down to ITFs, or even necessarily the "Mickey Mouse" events... but why isn't she playing in Paris this week for example? A Premier event with a relatively weak field (Ana would be seeded if she was there, I think), it would offer the opportunity to scoop up some much-needed points without even beating anyone world-class. I really don't see why she isn't playuing there. It's not like she'll be tired from all the matches she's been playing - I'm pretty confident in saying she'll probably have played less matches last year than anyone else in the top 40, except Clijsters. Just playing the biggest events exclusively isn't going to get her anywhere.

Sadly, I fear her days of being a major player are over for good. I think she's just too immature and emotionally-fragile to be a world-beater. Last year, she went through a couple of stretches of play where she was playing great, but then she'd face a top player and fall to pieces and would go right back to square one. Shame, because she easily has one of the best games to watch on the WTA when on-song, and obviously we all know what a genuinely nice person she is.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:52 PM
That is not necessarily a fh problem. In Ana's case it is in much greater extent a problem of ridiculously poor footwork.

Yes.. she has awful footwork at the moment.

But even when she is on the ball, she is often mistiming the hit. She hits is late and tries to compensate it by pulling the follow through too much behind her head. It's a timing problem... Ana needs to time her shots well, because she hits it flat.. and she is just mostly late on the forehand, even when she is in the right position.

AnnaK_4ever
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:56 PM
I'm glad people here aren't suggesting she should take a break, as if that will magically cure her problems. As hard as it is, she just has to try and work her way through it. Running away and hiding isn't going to solve anything.

For a start, she needs to stop being so ridiculously deluded with her schedule. I can't remember the last time she played an event that wasn't a Slam or a Premier 5/Mandatory.

:secret: Brisbane. That was like three weeks ago.

dsanders06
Feb 7th, 2010, 07:57 PM
:secret: Brisbane. That was like three weeks ago.

LOL... oh yeah.

My general point still stands though I think. Brisbane was an exception.

sammy01
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:03 PM
LOL... oh yeah.

My general point still stands though I think. Brisbane was an exception.

brisbane actually proves your point, she won 3 matches, the 1st time in 7 months i think. yep henin beat her but in those type of tournaments there wont always be an henin.

you are right with her current confidence and problems with her game playing big tournaments, where she may be unseeded, now is tennis suicide.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:04 PM
I'm glad people here aren't suggesting she should take a break, as if that will magically cure her problems. As hard as it is, she just has to try and work her way through it. Running away and hiding isn't going to solve anything.

For a start, she needs to stop being so ridiculously deluded with her schedule. I can't remember the last time she played an event that wasn't a Slam or a Premier 5/Mandatory. I'm not saying she should drop down to ITFs, or even necessarily the "Mickey Mouse" events... but why isn't she playing in Paris this week for example? A Premier event with a relatively weak field (Ana would be seeded if she was there, I think), it would offer the opportunity to scoop up some much-needed points without even beating anyone world-class. I really don't see why she isn't playuing there. It's not like she'll be tired from all the matches she's been playing - I'm pretty confident in saying she'll probably have played less matches last year than anyone else in the top 40, except Clijsters. Just playing the biggest events exclusively isn't going to get her anywhere.

Sadly, I fear her days of being a major player are over for good. I think she's just too immature and emotionally-fragile to be a world-beater. Last year, she went through a couple of stretches of play where she was playing great, but then she'd face a top player and fall to pieces and would go right back to square one. Shame, because she easily has one of the best games to watch on the WTA when on-song, and obviously we all know what a genuinely nice person she is.

Spot on.

I also think she is pushing tennis away. She said she overtrained at the beginning of last year (yeah.. I don't buy that either) and that she needs to stop overthinking her game. So IMHO she went to the other extreme.. not working enough and pushing tennis away, trying not to think or focus on it at all. She has also said she is trying to add other things to her life, so it won't be just tennis.. and we all know that is great in theory, but doesn't work for everyone. She doesn't have the commitment and dedication she once had.

And it's all sad.. when you hear the TV commentators, the tennis press, even other players, they all seem sorry for her.. because she is genuinely a sweet, nice person, and who knows her know that. Sam Smith was saying that all the time during the match today, actually offering to give her a call and help out. And the guy with her said something like it's so sad to see someone as Ana so lost, because she is such a great girl. But I think Ana is also stubborn, and she is not really willing to get out of her comfort zone to reach out for help. So yes.. I fear her days as a major player on tour have been over for more than a year now.. It saddens me not only because I'm a fan, but because she would be another case of wasted talent... and I've always felt frustrated with that.. even with people I was not particularly interested in.

About her schedule.. I think her team is as delusional as her.. She doesn't do her schedule all on her own, and it's as clear as water that she is not in position to only play the big time events. So don't know what they are all thinking.. If she doesn't add tournaments, I doubt she will reach the 30 matches mark this year.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:05 PM
brisbane actually proves your point, she won 3 matches, the 1st time in 7 months i think. yep henin beat her but in those type of tournaments there wont always be an henin.

you are right with her current confidence and problems with her game playing big tournaments, where she may be unseeded, now is tennis suicide.

Yes.. it only proves the point she should play smaller tournaments.

Unfortunately, if you look at her schedule for this year, Brisbane was the only international she intended to play. :tape:

sammy01
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:10 PM
Yes.. it only proves the point she should play smaller tournaments.

Unfortunately, if you look at her schedule for this year, Brisbane was the only internation she intended to play. :tape:

thats sad to hear, especially around the clay season where i think she could pick up a smaller title or 2 and work on her game during matches. it is ok practicing these things (ball toss, footwork ect) but putting them into matches is key, if you are up against good or very good players early on, how on earth acan you impliment them into your game sucessfully?

pokey camp
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:12 PM
if i recall people were talking about her toss in the 07 french final. Really it seems to be her "thing"
Yeah, I always assumed the root of the toss problems started in the’07 RG final. It’s like that match opened a door in her mind that she could close for a while, the rest of ’07-first half of ’08, and now she can’t close it at all.

Unless she had similar problems with her toss before that final? I’m not a fan so I don’t know. She never had any similar problems in juniors? :confused: It just seems strange that one match would echo like this… but maybe it’s not that uncommon.

I actually think her forehand is as much of a problem as the serve is now. The serve is the more obvious problem, but her forehand is also all over the place. If you pay close atention to it, Ana is mistiming the FH 90% of the times. That has lead her to try to compensate it pulling the follow through too much behind her head. She hits the forehand late on so many ocasions, that she is now hesitating when she has an easy forehand finish, which makes her miss.

Apart from that, her forehand has lost a lot of pace, and even more so it has lost the weight of shot it once had. Ana could not only hit her forehand fast, she would also hit it pretty heavy. Now it's almost like a puff shot really. Obviously, she can hit the eventual flashy forehand winner, but those are rare..

The core of Ana's game was always the serve and the forehand. Neither is working now.. Even when her serve was not at its best, sometimes she could pull out wins because of her forehand. But what was once a top class forehand is nowadays nothing more than average.

I'm not going to comment on the serve or the backhand, because it's already been discussed, and it's club level at this point. But how ordinary her forehand looks, the obvious technical flaws it didn't have before, the loss of pace and weight.. that is hurting her a whole lot as well. She used to have that forehand as an anchor.. something she would resort to, she would trust to get the job done. Now it doesn't get anything done, and she has lost all faith in it.
But that’s the part that has me the most confused about her game. When did her FH START falling apart? Was it after she hurt her thumb in ’08? And I don't understand why she can't get it back on line again. Is there some sort of permanent ligament damage there or is it mental. Like the nerves are affecting the timing on that shot? Unless there's some sort of damage there, if I had to bet I'd guess she hits that FH as well as ever in practice, same with the toss.

And watching this today I thought her body language looked better than it has lately. Aside from the racket tossing and muttering. But that's still better than the on court tears and the visor pulling thing. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:17 PM
thats sad to hear, especially around the clay season where i think she could pick up a smaller title or 2 and work on her game during matches. it is ok practicing these things (ball toss, footwork ect) but putting them into matches is key, if you are up against good or very good players early on, how on earth acan you impliment them into your game sucessfully?

Spot on.

You know.. more than a couple of people has said that Ana actually practices very well. She hits the ball cleanly and serves well in practice. We have obviously just seen how awful she is in matches. I'm not sure how much truth there is in her practicing well.. but she is clealy lacking match play. She only played 38 matches last year.. and it doesn't look like she will even play that much this year. Playing a match is completely different from practicing.. there are a lot of emotions you need to control, that don't come into consideration in practices. So, if you barely play, you forget how to do match management.. even how to win them.

I'm actually shocked at her team.. her managers have to see their investment is going down and that they are losing money.. and her coaches belong to her sponsor, who can't be happy with her barely showing up on TV. I don't get how they don't seem to do anything... at least nothing smart, like get her to enter more tournaments...

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:27 PM
Yeah, I always assumed the root of the toss problems started in the’07 RG final. It’s like that match opened a door in her mind that she could close for a while, the rest of ’07-first half of ’08, and now she can’t close it at all.

Unless she had similar problems with her toss before that final? I’m not a fan so I don’t know. She never had any similar problems in juniors? :confused: It just seems strange that one match would echo like this… but maybe it’s not that uncommon.

No.. she didn't use to have specific problems with her ball toss. The first time I saw it go completely south was in the RG 07 final.. and it was because of nerves. The thing is.. nowadays she is not only nervous at a big ocasion, she is nervous as soon as she steps on court. Her emotions are controlling her instead of her controlling her emotions.

She has also had a pretty nasty shoulder injury last year, perhaps because she stretched the shoulder too much chasing the ball toss. :o

But that’s the part that has me the most confused about her game. When did her FH START falling apart? Was it after she hurt her thumb in ’08? And I don't understand why she can't get it back on line again. Is there some sort of permanent ligament damage there or is it mental. Like the nerves are affecting the timing on that shot? Unless there's some sort of damage there, if I had to bet I'd guess she hits that FH as well as ever in practice, same with the toss.

And watching this today I thought her body language looked better than it has lately. Aside from the racket tossing and muttering. But that's still better than the on court tears and the visor pulling thing. :shrug:

I don't know what to say.. maybe the thumb injury has something to do with it.. I can't really identify when though. In the second half of 2008 it already wasn't as good as before, but it still had pace and weight of shot. After that it has been downhill, getting worse each match.

dsanders06
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:28 PM
Another thing I would say is, I think she should rethink her mental approach. I get the sense that she's putting pressure on herself to beat the top players, when that just isn't realistic right now. Her fans yesterday were berating Ana for the loss to Kuznetsova, when really, Kuznetsova is simply in a different league to her right now. So if Ana thought the same way as her fans (that she should've made that match competitive), then that's the wrong approach. For now, she needs to focus on just stopping the rot and beating the WTA's rank-and-file - players like Kleybanova.

Anyway, further to what I said before, if I were in her team, I would be advising her to play a tournament pretty much every week until the FO. That's Dubai, Kuala Lumpur (I'm sure they'd happily give her a WC), IW, Miami, Charleston, Stuttgart, Rome, Madrid. She could always pull out of one or two if she gets on a roll and starts going deep into the draws.

gaviotabr
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:34 PM
Another thing I would say is, I think she should rethink her mental approach. I get the sense that she's putting pressure on herself to beat the top players, when that just isn't realistic right now. Her fans yesterday were berating Ana for the loss to Kuznetsova, when really, Kuznetsova is simply in a different league to her right now. So if Ana thought the same way as her fans (that she should've made that match competitive), then that's the wrong approach. For now, she needs to focus on just stopping the rot and beating the WTA's rank-and-file - players like Kleybanova.

Anyway, further to what I said before, if I were in her team, I would be advising her to play a tournament pretty much every week until the FO. That's Dubai, Kuala Lumpur (I'm sure they'd happily give her a WC), IW, Miami, Charleston, Stuttgart, Rome, Madrid. She could always pull out of one or two if she gets on a roll and starts going deep into the draws.

Well.. she only has Dubai, IW, Miami, Rome and Madrid until RG. And her team is inept.. they probaly won't add any tournament. :o

I wasn't expecting her to beat Kuznetsova yesterday.. I think Ana's level of play is too poor at the moment.. no better than any top 100 player. But I did expect her to fight a bit harder in front of her home crowd. She was awful yesterday and today.. probably the worse she has ever played.

hankqq
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:49 PM
yeah, as some have said, the ball toss problems first began in the '07 RG final. She didn't have that problem again until the 2nd half of '08. Now she's nervous every time she gets on court, whether she's playing a top player or a qualifier :shrug: Her lack of confidence has affected her entire game.

and check out this quote: :sad:


Ivanovic, the former No. 1 who has dropped to 23rd in the WTA rankings after a string of poor results since winning the French Open in 2008, again struggled on her serve against the 31st-ranked Kleybanova and committed 51 unforced errors.

“I tried to play more aggressively, but I’m struggling psychologically,” a teary-eyed Ivanovic said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ap-serbia-russia&prov=ap&type=lgns

watchdogfish
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:57 PM
I think she needs to try out a sports pyschologist. It's definitely a mental thing with Ana. I think she wasn't ready emotionally to win RG and become world number 1 back in 2008 and that has led to the confidence crisis she's having now.

Steff_forever
Feb 7th, 2010, 08:59 PM
She's young, and she has top 7 talent.
But she needs something to stabilize her game.
I'm not sure what that is. Maybe play some Mickey Mouse events and get confidence
:hatoff:

Steff_forever
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:05 PM
Big difference is Ivanovic still cares - there was a period where Vaidisova just wasn't interested. In some ways Ivanovic is trying too hard.

Ivanovic needs to work like hell on her ball toss, and then gain confidence by winning some matches. That could be lower level WTA, ITF's or just beating up on some Serbian juniors. Hope she comes back - I was never a big fan but really sad to see her play like she did this weekend.

:yeah:

the same tragedy as Lena has had with her serve. Lena battled through it, Ana will, too.

ys
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:10 PM
:yeah:

the same tragedy as Lena has had with her serve. Lena battled through it, Ana will, too.

Difference. Even with her serve troubles Lena still was a perfect athlete with well-functioning ground-strokes and excellent movement. Remember .. Lena was still at her absolute best while having the issue, making two Slams finals. Ana on the other hand looks total wreck in each of above-mentioned departments. Serve, really, is a lesser of her issues right now.
Let me put it straight. Her biggest issue right now seems to be work ethics. She had two months of off-season to get herself together. And she comes out of offseason prepared like that.

Steff_forever
Feb 7th, 2010, 09:23 PM
Difference. Even with her serve troubles Lena still was a perfect athlete with well-functioning ground-strokes and excellent movement. Remember .. Lena was still at her absolute best while having the issue, making two Slams finals. Ana on the other hand looks total wreck in each of above-mentioned departments. Serve, really, is a lesser of her issues right now.
Let me put it straight. Her biggest issue right now seems to be work ethics. She had two months of off-season to get herself together. And she comes out of offseason prepared like that.
I thought about the mental aspect of this crises of both players. The boll toss, the 1st stroke with 200% on a given chance to throw it out...
All other problems coming along with Ana and Lena (and Dani and JJ, see my signature ;) ) referr to this. These players are so talented, have skills to vary their game and sustain longer rallies. But if their confidence is gone at one point of the match they start to resign ...

pokey camp
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:12 PM
Yeah, I don’t think she’s a Vaidisova. With Nicole I can buy that she never really liked tennis in the first place. She liked winning and the attention maybe, and when that stopped so did she. Don’t think that’s the case with Ana; her body language says different really. She cares too much. It’s like every match is a referendum on her entire career. The littlest things seem to upset her. Bad calls during minor points, easy errors that should be blown off… I don’t remember what match it was, I think it was Brisbane, but I remember her having a mini-fit over an easy UE like two games in. It just seemed so bizarre because it wasn’t a big point and the match had just started. :confused: Why get so upset about something so routine?

Perhaps Sam Smith was right about doubles. It would be a good way for her to get out on the court in less pressurized situations and actually start having fun again. Less thinking, more playing. And maybe that attitude can crossover to her singles game. And ITA about playing more events with weaker fields.

No.. she didn't use to have specific problems with her ball toss. The first time I saw it go completely south was in the RG 07 final.. and it was because of nerves. The thing is.. nowadays she is not only nervous at a big ocasion, she is nervous as soon as she steps on court. Her emotions are controlling her instead of her controlling her emotions.

She has also had a pretty nasty shoulder injury last year, perhaps because she stretched the shoulder too much chasing the ball toss. :o

I don't know what to say.. maybe the thumb injury has something to do with it.. I can't really identify when though. In the second half of 2008 it already wasn't as good as before, but it still had pace and weight of shot. After that it has been downhill, getting worse each match.
Okay. So that really was the first time. I was wondering if it just became something that was repeated so often it was taken as fact without any proof, but I hadn't watched enough to say one way or the other. So thanks. :yeah:

yeah, as some have said, the ball toss problems first began in the '07 RG final. She didn't have that problem again until the 2nd half of '08. Now she's nervous every time she gets on court, whether she's playing a top player or a qualifier :shrug: Her lack of confidence has affected her entire game.

and check out this quote: :sad:
Ivanovic, the former No. 1 who has dropped to 23rd in the WTA rankings after a string of poor results since winning the French Open in 2008, again struggled on her serve against the 31st-ranked Kleybanova and committed 51 unforced errors.

“I tried to play more aggressively, but I’m struggling psychologically,” a teary-eyed Ivanovic said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/news?slug=ap-serbia-russia&prov=ap&type=lgns

Eh. I don't think that's sad. It may be good. That’s more accurate than she’s been recently. Much better than the usual fake optimism nonsense. If I were her fan I’d be excited that maybe now she’ll get some help with that part of her game. It's where most of these problems are coming from anyway.

Cakeisgood
Feb 7th, 2010, 10:31 PM
Her only non shitty shot right now is her backhand. And that's frightening as her backhand is weak as hell.

Corswandt
Feb 7th, 2010, 11:07 PM
i totally agree, her backhand is almost club level now, theres no pace on it, it is either looped midcourt, or that useless slice comes out. it was never her weapon, but i cant believe it has got this bad. her mistiming of it was comical in the doubles when she had to run behind jj and hit one up high round her shoulders. she sometimes mistimes it so much it basically dribbles off her racket and hasn' the pace to make it past the net even if it was high enough.

And even when she actually manages to hit through it, it's always CC. Always.

fawnrc
Feb 7th, 2010, 11:17 PM
Well... at least we don't have to hear the swimming pool story everytime she hits the ball.

Horizon
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:17 AM
Well... at least we don't have to hear the swimming pool story everytime she hits the ball.
:lol: I must have heard that over 20 times.


It's sad but I'm kind of beyond caring too much for Ana anymore. I've written her letters and thought about her in detail in the past but really tbh it's useless. When she loses second round now it's expected to me and doesn't even hurt, even in a slam. She's not even making sensible decisions with regards to her career. Sven's part time coaching when he can find the time isn't good enough, she should have stuck with Kardon for longer but she fired him for no logical reason and now even Scott has left her. Her team, ranking, sponsorships, confidence and game are completely crumbling before her eyes and she seems content just to sit pretty as a WAG of some golf player - even when she loses terribly playing for and losing in front of her own country.

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:45 AM
2009 was the nadir (supposedly) and now '010's shaping up to be even worse. Drastic action needs to be taken.

The Witch-king
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:56 AM
Moral of the story - don't beat Venus in a slam :tape: (unless u are her sister :shrug:)

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:00 AM
Moral of the story - don't beat Venus in a slam :tape: (unless u are her sister :shrug:)
Her slam win came after she beat Venus in a slam though not before so how could the win over Venus have cursed her...:p

The Witch-king
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:08 AM
Her slam win came after she beat Venus in a slam though not before so how could the win over Venus have cursed her...:p

curses take time to mature :shrug:
one woman retired 6 months after "beating" venus in a slam. Couldn't play tennis for 2 years. :sad:

dsanders06
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:12 AM
curses take time to mature :shrug:
one woman retired 6 months after "beating" venus in a slam. Couldn't play tennis for 2 years. :sad:

Beating Venus at Wimbledon in 06 worked out pretty well for Jankovic. :p

Arnian
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:12 AM
She has all the tools to be a success, she just isn't using them properly =/

The Witch-king
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:16 AM
Beating Venus at Wimbledon in 06 worked out pretty well for Jankovic. :p

yeah because jankovic is really lighting up the tour now huh? :rocker:

Craig.
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:20 AM
yeah because jankovic is really lighting up the tour now huh? :rocker:

:rolls:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:29 AM
I'm feeling sorry for her. I would just like to say to her fans, continue to support her. She needs it more now than when she's doing well.

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:44 AM
I'm feeling sorry for her. I would just like to say to her fans, continue to support her. She needs it more now than when she's doing well.
:hug: Thank you. A few of us over at Ana's forum have got a plan. :angel: I won't let the lid off it just yet. But hopefully we'll be able to somehow help.

Steff_forever
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:50 AM
:hug: Thank you. A few of us over at Ana's forum have got a plan. :angel: I won't let the lid off it just yet. But hopefully we'll be able to somehow help.
writing letters won't help that much ;)

Pops Maellard
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:52 AM
writing letters won't help that much ;)
Oh well what's the worst than can happen apart from a bit of wasted time? :p

SelesFan70
Feb 8th, 2010, 02:44 AM
It's like Nicole Vaidisova 2.0 :sad:

juki
Feb 8th, 2010, 02:51 AM
It's like Nicole Vaidisova 2.0 :sad:

And unfortunately for Ana, her collapse is 100x more public.

goldenlox
Feb 8th, 2010, 11:34 AM
Darren Rovell just reported that Ana signed a lifetime contract with adidas.
So like Sharapova and Nike, companies still want her

gaviotabr
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:02 PM
Darren Rovell just reported that Ana signed a lifetime contract with adidas.
So like Sharapova and Nike, companies still want her

Yes.. http://www.press.adidas.com/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-11/16_read-10900/

Beny
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:06 PM
That was hell of an ambitious step from adidas. If she keeps playing like this.. (Stevenson, Dokic, etc etc proved it´s possible)

Though I believe she returns to the top. I liked her game back in 2007-8

goldenlox
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:08 PM
She is the youngest brand ambassador that adidas has ever had.
And adidas is a multi billion $ company

MaBaker
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:12 PM
It will be a small miracle if she ever returns to the top. I wish it happens though.

Corswandt
Feb 8th, 2010, 12:36 PM
As I was watching the Fed Cup matches, I kept thinking that GOAT Ivanovic's amaze game reminded me of someone, but I couldn't figure out who.

Just got it - it's Akgul Amanmuradova. :help:

new-york
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:05 PM
She is so shaky now.

kikiriki
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:06 PM
Don't you think she played worse against Coin at the Us Open

InsideOut.
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:09 PM
Don't you think she played worse against Coin at the Us Open

No. Coin was playing really well that day and Ana was nowhere as bad as she is now. :o

gaviotabr
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:09 PM
Don't you think she played worse against Coin at the Us Open

No.. not really.. She was obviously awful in that match, but this is far worse.

kikiriki
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:14 PM
Or against Safarova at Tokyo?

goldenlox
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:19 PM
It's not which match was better tennis, it's how you finish when you are near a win.
That's where she is doing poorly. She is only a few points from winning a lot of those matches.

It's the same with Sharapova. She was close to winning against Oudin Dulko Kirilenko.

The whole sport is getting thru a close match.
Without that, you go nowhere

gaviotabr
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:23 PM
Or against Safarova at Tokyo?

I thought that was the worse Ana I had seen, until I saw her this weekend, which was much worse.

gaviotabr
Feb 8th, 2010, 01:24 PM
It's not which match was better tennis, it's how you finish when you are near a win.
That's where she is doing poorly. She is only a few points from winning a lot of those matches.

It's the same with Sharapova. She was close to winning against Oudin Dulko Kirilenko.

The whole sport is getting thru a close match.
Without that, you go nowhere

True.. had she been able to get mentally through some of those close matches and won them, I think she wouldn't be in this situation. But she couldn't do it, and now her problems are much deeper. She has real technical flaws she needs to adress, and a mental block she needs to work on. Tough..