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colt13
Feb 6th, 2010, 03:00 PM
I am curious because there seems to be no middle class in the US. And I don't expect Oudin to get to #1 .Either you are #1, or you don't win. From 2000-2009, you had Venus, Serena, Lindsay, Jennifer and Monica. But if you werent #1, chances became few and far between. Non #1 US winners.
2000-Raymond, Shaughnessy, Rubin
2001-Tu, Shaughnessy
2002-Raymond, Craybas, Rubin
2003-Shaughnessy, Raymond, Rubin
2004-Frazier
2005-Frazier
2006-King, Shaughnessy
2007-Shaughnessy
2008-None
2009-None

US Tennis needs a successful mid level player.

Njay16
Feb 6th, 2010, 03:15 PM
I see Melanie as an Amy Frazier type. Will have the big wins here and there and be consistently average :shrug:

She needs to bulk up and work out some of the technical kinks.

Steffica Greles
Feb 6th, 2010, 07:43 PM
BTW - what happened to Shaughnessy?

hacberto
Feb 6th, 2010, 07:52 PM
Melanie will be something but not a big star. But just keep going Melanie!!

Uranium
Feb 6th, 2010, 07:52 PM
BTW - what happened to Shaughnessy?

She played doubles at the AO with Molik, played a few events at the end of the season last year, but has struggled a lot with knee injury and I think most recently a hip injury as well.

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 7th, 2010, 12:03 AM
Well Meghann actually had a good serve and then she net game became good and in her later years she was so consistent from the back of the court.

I think Melanie being compared to Meghann is overreaching.
She should honestly stop with the idea that she can be anything close to the next Henin and just hustle out there like Cibulkova does and hope that will be enough to get her in the top 15.

SM
Feb 7th, 2010, 01:00 AM
Maybe she will win 20 grand slams, she is young, lets not write her off.

Ballbasher
Feb 7th, 2010, 01:30 AM
I like Melanie and see her hovering around #11-20, entering the Top10 at some point and ocassionally achieve a big win!

tonybotz
Feb 7th, 2010, 03:18 AM
i see oudin as Harkleroad 2.0.... nice groundstrokes, no weapons, big heart, no big serve... i don't see her being much more than a top 50 floater. We need Big Babe tennis back in america. until we get the next Davenport, or Capriati, or Vee-Star/Ree Ree, it ain't happening.

fightserena!!!
Feb 7th, 2010, 03:57 AM
tonybotz, that's not KB in your avatar is it??

iGOAT
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:34 AM
Maybe she will win 20 grand slams, she is young, lets not write her off.
This. She's showed she has game, obviously.

I mean who would've thought Dinara, JJ, and even Ana (to a lesser extent) would have been number one? Hard work pays off on the WTA.

Volcana
Feb 7th, 2010, 04:35 AM
Maybe there's Chanda Rubin in there. I don't know if she's that smart. But athletically, not Shaugnessy.

tonybotz
Feb 8th, 2010, 06:56 PM
tonybotz, that's not KB in your avatar is it??

yes it is "kate the great" :)

Midnight_Robber
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:02 PM
i see oudin as Harkleroad 2.0.... nice groundstrokes, no weapons, big heart, no big serve... i don't see her being much more than a top 50 floater. We need Big Babe tennis back in america. until we get the next Davenport, or Capriati, or Vee-Star/Ree Ree, it ain't happening.

Pretty avatar tonybotz and yep - that's who I've compared her to as well - especially in relation to the hype. To be fair, I think she's already proven that she's better than Harkleroad but I still get the impression that much of the fuss is because she's young, blonde and of course endearingly 'plucky' or whatever. I'll give her time, but at the present I'm not bowled over by her game.

pov
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:14 PM
I still get the impression that much of the fuss is because she's young, blonde and of course endearingly 'plucky' or whatever.
You got one correct - young. Any "young" American player- woman or man - who had the results she did at Wimbledon and the USO would have got as much hype from the American media.

Dave.
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:17 PM
I see Melanie as an Amy Frazier type. Will have the big wins here and there and be consistently average :shrug:

She needs to bulk up and work out some of the technical kinks.

I hope CCR doesn't read this. Amy was not average. :ras: And there probably will never be anyone like Amy ever again. :sad:


I agree with the Harkleroad comparison (but obviously Mel is better), at least in terms of their game.

Midnight_Robber
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:23 PM
As I said - she's already proven she's better than Harkleroad (better results etc.), but the youth and the blondeness, and even more importantly the perceived 'grit' certainly doesn't do her any harm. Pam Shriver was one of the few commentators to be circumspect about her success and not jump the gun.

pov
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:28 PM
As I said - she's already proven she's better than Harkleroad (better results etc.), but the youth and the blondeness, and even more importantly the perceived 'grit' certainly doesn't do her any harm. Pam Shriver was one of the few commentators to be circumspect about her success and not jump the gun.

wtf has "blondeness" got to do with anything about it??? So inane. She's American. That's it. Yeah I know that's boring but that's it.

Corswandt
Feb 8th, 2010, 10:42 PM
Interesting question. And I agree that #35-80 may be closer to where Oudin is headed, and will spend most of her career, than say #15-25.

I remember Laura Granville was in the top 100 for ages while playing mostly upper tier challengers (at least in the latter years - 2006/2007). This would be the low end of the spectrum for Oudin's career IMO.

Seyz
Feb 9th, 2010, 01:15 AM
I think she is so young that it is hard to say. I mean she was the #1 seed in juniors at one time, right? Shes 18 , has time to work on her game, and I don't know if she has the natural talent of say Sharapova, or Venus, but she has the ambition and that's a good start. So I say, the sky is the limit, Compare her to Vaidosova whom had the talent , but obviously not the mental fortitude I think she is in a better position.

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 9th, 2010, 03:35 AM
Maybe there's Chanda Rubin in there. I don't know if she's that smart. But athletically, not Shaugnessy.

If there's any American out there that reminds me of Chanda, it's Bethanie Mattek-Sands, good forehand, especially when she moves towards the net, nice hands at net, and strong serve.

HOS
Feb 9th, 2010, 03:54 AM
Love amy.....miss her heaps.
YEah, watching her maybe a 'up one level' from Ashley. What, Ash made it like 35-40. OUdin maybe get between 20-30. Not top 10.
Great observation of middle Amererica BTW.

Dried up for sure.
You had as said previoulsy- at all levels

Seles, Capriati, Davenport, Venus and Serena. Mary Jo Fernandez was maybe the next level down.
Rubin got into the top 10- maybe not a singles slam winner but defo would have been in the top 10 for loonger and done more damage if she didn't get that injurerd.


Amy, Raymond, Megs S, all were (?Meg's is??) v dangerous players ranked between 11-20. Gigi Fernandez also an amzing singles and doubles player maybe int his group. Rehe and Rinaldi (going back in time) also here- again injuries recking there chances of moving up.

THen you had Corina- goes without saying her career was hurt with injury and illness but a solid top 30 player. King maybe here.

Tu, Craybas, Granville, Harkleroad, Perry, Jackson, Snyder all made top 40 (I think) with some of these girls still potentially getting back there again. Maybe Kim Po in this category.


Lee Waters was Top 40 many moons ago and got back to like 80 a few years ago before baby 2. Maybe MAshona Washington, Mattek-Sands and Ditty in this category.

Before she 'defected to Taiwan' Janett Lee also (used up many USTA wildcards to get there) and got to maybe like top 70.

A little earlier Werdel-W and Whitlinger -Jones were solid top 50 players- Wedel having that spectacular Aust Open run in 1995 and a good 96 before literally disappearing. Where she go?? Debbie Graham & Anne Grossman too.

Glatch, well seems to have potential but maybe a top 50 at best?


And where does Alexandra fit!!!!??? Who knows!

shoparound
Feb 9th, 2010, 06:48 AM
Are McHale, Brengle and Vandeweigh just top 100 material?


And where does this girl (Lilly Kimbell) fit in?

http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/news/story?id=3902993

EDIT: She signed with Georgia.. So no pro career for her.

PLP
Feb 9th, 2010, 07:04 AM
No offense to Meghann but I think Mel has more potential and will achieve more in her career. I can see her winning big tournaments and getting into the top 10, but I think it is going to take a few years. Will she be a Capriati or Davenport? :shrug:

kittyking
Feb 9th, 2010, 07:26 AM
Shes still really young, give that girl time!

Cookie Power
Feb 9th, 2010, 08:56 AM
Yes. They are equally awful.