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Chrissie-fan
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:29 PM
What would happen if women would play the best of five sets format in the slams? I don't just mean in the final, but for each round. Would it make any difference in terms of who the eventual winner(s) would be? Awhile back I was watching a Dementieva match and the commentator said that if the women would play best of five that Dementieva would always be one of the top favorites and would probably have won several slams already because she's one of - if not the fittest WTA player.

thrust
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:06 PM
More injuries, and long boring matches. I think that in today's game with so many hard court tournaments, men should be play best 2 of 3 in the Slams till the semi's, then 3 of 5 in the semi's and finals. Many of the men's matches are just too long, playing 3 of 5 for all 7 rounds.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:22 PM
More injuries, and long boring matches. I think that in today's game with so many hard court tournaments, men should be play best 2 of 3 in the Slams till the semi's, then 3 of 5 in the semi's and finals. Many of the men's matches are just too long, playing 3 of 5 for all 7 rounds.
Well, my intention is not really to have a debate about whether it would be a good idea or not for women to play best of five sets, although that too can be discussed of course. My question is more along the lines of, IF they would play best of five, which players would do better and which ones would do worse than they do now?

AcesHigh
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:40 PM
No one would watch women's tennis anymore.

Mary Cherry.
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:42 PM
There'd be rare occasions when it'd be great to watch - mainly because so many players are mentally weak, likely lapses in concentration could lead to some epic 5-setters.

However, as has already been mentioned, for every great match there'd be several dull ones. And injuries would be a nightmare.

Still, it'd silence the prize money debate once and for all.

Serenita
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:42 PM
players would be tanking sets, just to bring there a game in the 4th or 5th sets.

womans TENNIS WILL BECOME FUGLY:o

harloo
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:48 PM
I don't know if the public is ready to sit through a match with a combined 200-300 errors. :lol:

youizahoe
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:53 PM
Only Serena Williams would win tournaments. The rest will retire in the 3rd.

Monirena Wiles
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:56 PM
The top players would be even more dominant than they already are. Someone like Serena would probably have three more slams.

The men complain about having to work harder, but on the other hand it's harder to beat better players in a best of five than it is in a best of three. I wonder how many of Rogers slams would he have lost if they were best of three?

Ryan
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:04 PM
Azarenka would have to retire from every match. :o And I love Vika. :lol:


I think Dementieva would definitely fare better, because she's probably the most fit player out there. I think Venus would to better too, with potential 5 sets I think her game would find its form more often than not. I think Serena would be even harder to close out, but I don't know if she'd necessarily "do better" in a 5th set.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:20 PM
This will happen.

6-0, 0-6, 6-0, 0-6, 20-18.

miffedmax
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:24 PM
Lena would lose in more finals because she's still Lena. :sobbing:

SVK
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:25 PM
This will happen.

6-0, 0-6, 6-0, 0-6, 20-18.

6:0, 6:7(15), 0:6, 6:0, 0:5 ret...

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:29 PM
people would train to make sure they could stand up for 5 sets :shrug: but the results probably wouldn't change since mentality makes up for 90% of both tours and we know who the strongest are on both sides

Monirena Wiles
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:29 PM
I think Serena would be even harder to close out, but I don't know if she'd necessarily "do better" in a 5th set.
If it was in a fifth set then I agree it probably would be just like a third set not much difference. But the biggest difference is that someone like Jill Craybass beating her at Wimbledon proabably would never of happened. Serena would have time to find her game, and in general, all the better players will have more of an advantage. There would be less fluke wins and we would see the top players play each other more often. Anybody can take one set off of anybody, taking two is a little harder, but three is even tougher. Serena would have more slams than Roger if that was the case, IMO.

The fitness issues and quality of play make five sets not appealing for women's tennis though.

KamilZ
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:30 PM
hahaha...sunny afternoom...Australia...Melbourne...over 30'C...5th set....Bartoli :lol:

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:52 PM
i can't hardly watch 5 setters on the men's side.
so i would probably be tuning out a lot more.

Princeza
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:15 PM
I'd pay to see a good 5-setter between Dulko and MJMS at the French.

SVK
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:15 PM
Can you imagine Bartoli - Cibulkova in 5th set?:spit:

Both will playing just because they´ll hope that the other one will retire first:spit:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:33 PM
I think that someone like for example Kim Clijsters would do well because she usually destroys first week opponents, so she would have more energy left than some of the other top players.

BTW - I'm NOT speaking out in favor of the best of five sets format for women. It's just that after I heard that commentator say that Dementieva would be tops that I was wondering who YOU guys think would be tops. As for the men - I'm in favor of keeping the best of five sets format.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:36 PM
No one would watch women's tennis anymore.
The thread is not supposed to be about how many would watch but about who would win. ;)

Matt01
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:38 PM
I think that someone like for example Kim Clijsters would do well because she usually destroys first week opponents, so she would have more energy left than some of the other top players.

BTW - I'm NOT speaking out in favor of the best of five sets format for women. It's just that after I heard that commentator say that Dementieva would be tops that I was wondering who YOU guys think would be tops. As for the men - I'm in favor of keeping the best of five sets format.


I'm sorry but I am totally in favour of changing the sets format to best of 3 for the men ;) And I also disagree with Lena being on top under best of 5 for the women after seeing her cramp over the court at the US Open in a 3 set match against a still being totally fit (but choking :tape:) Mauresmo.

My pick for the woman getting an advantage under best of 5 would also be Clijsters, though.

youizahoe
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:49 PM
If there would be 5 sets in women's tennis, this could all happen:

1. The retirements would double.
2. The withdrawals after a slam would double.
3. The tournament schedules will never be on time.
4. The matches could be used as a certified cure for insomnia.
5. The momentum would change every set, and chokes at every 3 games.
6. Jelena Jankovic would run out of excuses in just the first week of a slam (though i love her excuses :lol:).
7. Marion Bartoli will now be shipped to the court with an entire bag of kitkat's.
8. Serena Williams will probably get on court as a mummy, all taped for prevention.
9. Viktoria Azarenka would probably become deaf in one of her own matches.
10. Caroline Wozniacki would probably still end up with 3 winners.

Mistress of Evil
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:00 PM
Dementieva will become GOAT.

Ntosake
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:01 PM
It seems to me that the fittest, less injury-prone players would probably win a lot more under a five-set system.

But since I already hate the men's format, I can't imagine sitting thru the women's, with all the breaks of serve, errors, taking forever to serve the damn ball after their favorite ritual, etc.

Yawn.

(and what youizahoe just said) lol

Ferg
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:01 PM
Id love to see them! Matches with over 300 UEs!

youizahoe
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:01 PM
I doubt dementieva being goat, she is often lucky there are only 3 sets.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:02 PM
If there would be 5 sets in women's tennis, this could all happen:
10. Caroline Wozniacki would probably still end up with 3 winners.
And her opponents with 120 UE.

is1531
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:06 PM
I don't like 5 sets period. Maybe that is why I stay away from many men's matches. If the ladies played 5 sets I would probably would stop watching 50% of ladies tennis.

Chrissie-fan
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:16 PM
I'm sorry but I am totally in favour of changing the sets format to best of 3 for the men ;)
I'm in favor of the best of five format for men because it makes the better player the more likely winner.I don't get bored by long matches either if the quality is good. For the women it's different though. It wouldn't necessarily be the best player who wins, but the one who is still able to stand on two feet. A close five set match between women would probably take even longer than a similar match between men because there are more long rallies, fewer free points from their serves and there are more deuce games.

miffedmax
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:19 PM
I'm in favor of the best of five format for men because it makes the better player the more likely winner.I don't get bored by long matches either if the quality is good. For the women it's different though. It wouldn't necessarily be the best player who wins, but the one who is still able to stand on two feet. A close five set match between women would probably take even longer than a similar match between men because there are more long rallies, fewer free points from their serves and there are more deuce games.

That was always Evert's argument against the women playing five, especially back in her day when she routinely played 20+-shot rallies to vivisect her opponents.

tennis-insomniac
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:32 PM
I'd love the final to be five setter this would allow the players to adjust a bit and no pressure if they lose early

youizahoe
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:36 PM
And her opponents with 120 UE.

and still would win :devil:

miffedmax
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:40 PM
A five setter between Dementieva and Safina...how many DFs?

pav
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Only Serena Williams would win tournaments. The rest will retire in the 3rd.
I doubt big old Rena would make it through five sets

youizahoe
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:45 PM
I doubt big old Rena would make it through five sets

If Serena can't, I seriously doubt that anyone else can.

tennis-insomniac
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:47 PM
A five setter between Dementieva and Safina...how many DFs?

E.Dementieva D.Safina

1st Percentage 13% 16%
1st Point won 34% 25%
Winners 125 78
UF 435 358
DF 233 320
Ace 8 13

E.Dementieva def. D.Safina French Open xxxx 3-2 7-6, 6-7, 0-6, 6-0, 20-18 :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:47 PM
I doubt big old Rena would make it through five sets

then if big old rena could make it through 3 sets and lil old jh couldn't...then who'd win 5 sets :unsure:

Matt01
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:53 PM
If Serena can't, I seriously doubt that anyone else can.


Isn't it possible to have one single thread im GM without this? :rolleyes:

miffedmax
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:31 PM
E.Dementieva D.Safina

1st Percentage 13% 16%
1st Point won 34% 25%
Winners 125 78
UF 435 358
DF 233 320
Ace 8 13

E.Dementieva def. D.Safina French Open xxxx 3-2 7-6, 6-7, 0-6, 6-0, 20-18 :lol:

How long is the rain delay caused by the tears and crying of "I hate my serve!!!" and "Fuck me, fuck my serve, fuck this tournament?"

youizahoe
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:39 PM
Isn't it possible to have one single thread im GM without this? :rolleyes:

Oh shut the fuck up already you old whiner.

It's the truth, Serena is probably one of the most compatible players when it comes to 5 sets.

kiwifan
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:48 PM
The top players would be even more dominant than they already are. Someone like Serena would probably have three more slams.

The men complain about having to work harder, but on the other hand it's harder to beat better players in a best of five than it is in a best of three. I wonder how many of Rogers slams would he have lost if they were best of three?
I agree most matches that were going to be won in 2 will add a 3rd set that most likely will feature the loser not running after balls and exhibiting "Vera Z like habits". ;)

Lots of 3rd sets will look like fights that should have been stopped. :devil:

Steffica Greles
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:54 PM
By the end of the two weeks, you'd have woeful tennis. Hang on a minute, why don't they give it a try on the basis that most often nothing would change? :devil:


It's very difficult to say. The players who run a lot would be spent. Those with a really strong serve would have less running to do.


Actually, come to think of it, it might in a roundabout way make for better tennis: the players would conserve their strength and rein themselve in a little more until the 5th set. That's one theory. Trouble is, if Serena doesn't rein herself in, playing against somebody who does, she wins in straight sets.


Either way, I think it's a bad idea for the women to play best of 5. I do, however, think it was great when they used to just that once at the YEC. They should never have stopped it.

Larrybidd
Feb 4th, 2010, 06:40 PM
Who knows? I'm just thrilled it would never happen. Don't fix what ain't broken.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 07:04 PM
How long is the rain delay caused by the tears and crying of "I hate my serve!!!" and "Fuck me, fuck my serve, fuck this tournament?"

but when you scream those things and start crying it wouldn't stop the match...unless elena had to come and console you just so she could finish :hug:

Matt01
Feb 4th, 2010, 07:16 PM
Oh shut the fuck up already you old whiner.

It's the truth, Serena is probably one of the most compatible players when it comes to 5 sets.


As far as I know, she has never played a five set match in her whole career so you are obviously talking out of your you know what :tape:

Chrissie-fan
Feb 4th, 2010, 09:28 PM
Either way, I think it's a bad idea for the women to play best of 5. I do, however, think it was great when they used to just that once at the YEC. They should never have stopped it.
Not if they hold the event in Doha though.

youizahoe
Feb 4th, 2010, 09:36 PM
As far as I know, she has never played a five set match in her whole career so you are obviously talking out of your you know what :tape:

Serena has played the longest wimbledon sf, and wasn't even tired.

Matt01
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:44 PM
Serena has played the longest wimbledon sf, and wasn't even tired.


As if that match was in any way comparable to a long 5-setter :tape:

Szavay #1
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:45 PM
walkover, retirement, walkover, retirement, walkover....

sorceress
Feb 5th, 2010, 12:21 AM
If there would be 5 sets in women's tennis, this could all happen:

1. The retirements would double.
2. The withdrawals after a slam would double.
3. The tournament schedules will never be on time.
4. The matches could be used as a certified cure for insomnia.
5. The momentum would change every set, and chokes at every 3 games.
6. Jelena Jankovic would run out of excuses in just the first week of a slam (though i love her excuses :lol:).
7. Marion Bartoli will now be shipped to the court with an entire bag of kitkat's.
8. Serena Williams will probably get on court as a mummy, all taped for prevention.
9. Viktoria Azarenka would probably become deaf in one of her own matches.
10. Caroline Wozniacki would probably still end up with 3 winners.
:lol::lol:

You know I'd love to see it happen, just for some perspective but I bet things wouldn't change on a whole.
What would probably, is that the mediocres on tour wouldn't be gifted anything and get knocked out where they deserve.
It's possible that perhaps those that struggled mentally might get their shit together and try hard in the 3rd.
Sometimes I do feel like 2 sets hasn't been enough, like perhaps in the 3rd the loser might pick it up, but overall we'd see the same stuff.

Williams, Henin and Clijsters dominating, it'd probably very rarely get to 5 sets as well.

cellophane
Feb 5th, 2010, 12:23 AM
I think GS *finals* SHOULD be best of 5 sets.

trufanjay
Feb 5th, 2010, 12:34 AM
Horrible.

LightWarrior
Feb 5th, 2010, 02:18 AM
I think GS *finals* SHOULD be best of 5 sets.

I agree. GS finals should be 5 sets (and only finals). Look, this year's AO final is the first that has gone to 3 sets in 3 years. Women's GS finals are notorious to be a bore.
I remember Monica winning 5 sets at YEC, Steffi as well. And doing well.

TheBoiledEgg
Feb 5th, 2010, 03:56 AM
someone will still manage to lose from 6-0 6-0 5-0 40-0 up

tennis-insomniac
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:40 AM
How long is the rain delay caused by the tears and crying of "I hate my serve!!!" and "Fuck me, fuck my serve, fuck this tournament?"

:lol:

Stamp Paid
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:54 AM
Even more bagel sets than we see now :lol:
i see women totally tanking sets. Shit they tank sets when they only have to win 2 out of three

Szavay #1
Feb 5th, 2010, 11:20 PM
someone will still manage to lose from 6-0 6-0 5-0 40-0 up

this would definitely happen and it wouldn't even be funny. it would be sad. really sad. :(

The Kaz
Feb 6th, 2010, 03:03 AM
this would definitely happen and it wouldn't even be funny. it would be sad. really sad. :(

Kurhajcova is still recovering from her EPIC choke :sad:

Imagine the scoreline :tape: 0-6 0-6 7-5 6-0 6-0 :help:


Although I think Lena, Sam would be slam champs though :hearts:

Stamp Paid
Feb 6th, 2010, 03:05 AM
Kurhajcova is still recovering from her EPIC choke :sad:

Imagine the scoreline :tape: 0-6 0-6 7-5 6-0 6-0 :help:


Although I think Lena, Sam would be slam champs though :hearts::tape::tape::haha::haha:

Szavay #1
Feb 6th, 2010, 09:49 AM
Kurhajcova is still recovering from her EPIC choke :sad:

that was so sad and i'm sure lisa didn't feel like she really won it, that lubo just gave it away. :sad:


Although I think Lena, Sam would be slam champs though :hearts:

i would love that esp. for lena. :D