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2Black
Feb 1st, 2010, 02:32 PM
I haven't been on here much over the weekend so i don't know if this was already discussed BUT watching that match on Saturday, I noticed some interesting things going on...

1st - we know Justine is trying alot of new things because she wants Wimbledon. That's one thing about Justine that i love & the type of attitude I wish my girl, Venus would adopt. I just don't really think it's gonna work given her frame & the fact that, she too can be inconsistent off the ground.

2nd - Sasha really worked with Serena on that slice. There were a couple instances where i thought Serena's slice was better than Justine's. That surprised me alot. Unlike Venus who often repeats that comment I hate, "I JUST PLAY MY GAME", Serena clearly came prepared with other options. This will be interesting going forward - knowing when to slice & when to attack. Especially when you can do something with it.

Unlike many of you, I don't think either Serena or Justine played well. The drama certainly was there. But those few points where Serena's slice outshined Ms. Variety herself, Justine Henin, spoke volumes to me going forward.

geoepee
Feb 1st, 2010, 03:42 PM
What does Venus have to do with Justine vs. Serena?

Direwolf
Feb 1st, 2010, 03:50 PM
Justine totally outplayed Serena...
Serena was just more consistent

Olórin
Feb 1st, 2010, 03:52 PM
Justine totally outplayed Serena...
Serena was just more consistent

:lol:
You are a trip.

Wannabeknowitall
Feb 1st, 2010, 04:04 PM
I love Serena but I really disagree.
At times there was nothing on Serena's defensive slice and even when there was I was shocked at how well Justine was able to get under the ball on her forehand with her western grip and do something against that slice.
It was so good to the point I was screaming at the TV, STOP SLICING TO JUSTINE'S FOREHAND SERENA!!!

Justine's slice looks even more fluid than it was before she retired.
If Mauresmo was still playing now and you asked me who had the best slice between her and Justine, I would go with Justine.
I did want to see her chip and charge a little bit more.
She tried to flattened out her returns and come to net on a kick serve, which takes incredible timing.

I will say that I did like the one time Serena used a chipped forehand on the approach to the net.
Serena has been going to the slice more but strategy wise it isn't as good of bite as I remember it having in big matches like the 2004 US Open quarters against Capriati.

Wawrinka's ass.

2Black
Feb 1st, 2010, 04:09 PM
What does Venus have to do with Justine vs. Serena?

A WHOLE lot ... They are the 3 with the most grandslams & I'm hoping Venus will step it up in the slams so she doesn't eventually get left out of the conversation.

mdterp01
Feb 1st, 2010, 04:15 PM
Justine. I like her slice more than Serena's and it tripped Serena up a few times during the match, but don't think it worked to enough effectiveness for the entire match. There was one exchange in which Justine sliced and then Serena hit a nice deep slice to Justine's backhand. Justine tried to slice again and it hit the net.

Speaking of Sasha..what was going on with his face? Serena better hook him up with some Proactiv kits. He's such a cutie...I've never seen him break out like that. He must have been hangin around....nevermind.

Arnian
Feb 1st, 2010, 04:36 PM
Justine's slice is obviously better, but props to Serena on adding slice to her repertoire over the past two years.

Svetame
Feb 1st, 2010, 04:50 PM
I think we all know Amélie has the best slice.

trufanjay
Feb 1st, 2010, 04:54 PM
Justine totally outplayed Serena...
Serena was just more consistent
And it's sad because you may actually believe that :rolleyes:

:lol:

Dunlop1
Feb 1st, 2010, 05:06 PM
Justine definitely wins the battle of the slice, as she should, since it is a more natural shot for a one handed backhand player.
Justine can vary the slice by varying the amount of spin, trajectory and speed of the ball. She also hits the dropshot with the same takeback offering her natural disguise on that shot.

That being said Serena has clearly worked on her slice and I am VERY impressed by it.
I remember when her slice technique was really bad it was almost comical.
It is still a floaty slice but much better than it was. She was able to place it very deep in the backhand corner once in the final, such that Justine was unable to position herself to return the slice properly and sliced it into the net.
2 other times Serena's slice sat up and Henin hit aggressive forehands off the shot, 1 being a winner.

Something that impresses me about Serena is her ability to think and adjust her game.
In the early stages of the match, Serena was trying to hit aggressive groundstrokes off the Henin slice and netted a number of those.
So she started slicing the low slices back. She kept the rally going on most of those points rather than gifting the point away trying to be aggressive off the shot.

Serenita
Feb 1st, 2010, 05:09 PM
Thats what i like about Serena when needed she will change up things, i like the fact that she played the slice.. it wasn't successful all the time. but it will be. :)

Noctis
Feb 1st, 2010, 05:10 PM
Serena Work on her slice well.it suprised henin that she got outsliced.

The Witch-king
Feb 1st, 2010, 05:15 PM
Justine totally outplayed Serena...
Serena was just more consistent

r u high?

Anyway i prefer Venus's clunky open stance slice that she almost always loses the point when she uses it :sobbing:

2Black
Feb 1st, 2010, 08:10 PM
Justine definitely wins the battle of the slice, as she should, since it is a more natural shot for a one handed backhand player.
Justine can vary the slice by varying the amount of spin, trajectory and speed of the ball. She also hits the dropshot with the same takeback offering her natural disguise on that shot.

That being said Serena has clearly worked on her slice and I am VERY impressed by it.
I remember when her slice technique was really bad it was almost comical.
It is still a floaty slice but much better than it was. She was able to place it very deep in the backhand corner once in the final, such that Justine was unable to position herself to return the slice properly and sliced it into the net.
2 other times Serena's slice sat up and Henin hit aggressive forehands off the shot, 1 being a winner.

Something that impresses me about Serena is her ability to think and adjust her game.
In the early stages of the match, Serena was trying to hit aggressive groundstrokes off the Henin slice and netted a number of those.
So she started slicing the low slices back. She kept the rally going on most of those points rather than gifting the point away trying to be aggressive off the shot.

Very well said

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 1st, 2010, 08:27 PM
I haven't been on here much over the weekend so i don't know if this was already discussed BUT watching that match on Saturday, I noticed some interesting things going on...

1st - we know Justine is trying alot of new things because she wants Wimbledon. That's one thing about Justine that i love & the type of attitude I wish my girl, Venus would adopt. I just don't really think it's gonna work given her frame & the fact that, she too can be inconsistent off the ground.

2nd - Sasha really worked with Serena on that slice. There were a couple instances where i thought Serena's slice was better than Justine's. That surprised me alot. Unlike Venus who often repeats that comment I hate, "I JUST PLAY MY GAME", Serena clearly came prepared with other options. This will be interesting going forward - knowing when to slice & when to attack. Especially when you can do something with it.

Unlike many of you, I don't think either Serena or Justine played well. The drama certainly was there. But those few points where Serena's slice outshined Ms. Variety herself, Justine Henin, spoke volumes to me going forward.

Yeah, Serena was EXTREMELY impressive with the slice. By my count, she won/gain advantage in three out of five of the "Slice to Slice" rallies, which is not a bad count against Juju. Serena got away from it later in the match, but it was a good way to set the tone and prove to Juju that that tactic would have minimal effect. :hatoff: to Serena on that!

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 1st, 2010, 08:32 PM
...In the early stages of the match, Serena was trying to hit aggressive groundstrokes off the Henin slice and netted a number of those.
So she started slicing the low slices back. She kept the rally going on most of those points rather than gifting the point away trying to be aggressive off the shot.

Nice observations, but I urge you to go back and watch the match and count the "slice" encounters (yes, I'm obsessive that way). She didn't net too many of Justine's slices, and in the "Slice to slice" rallies she actually came out on the winning side as often - if not more - than not.

Matt01
Feb 1st, 2010, 11:05 PM
I don't know which match people in this thread were watching. Serena hit one very good slice from the baseline which won her a point. On the other occasions, Justine pretty much always had the upper hand when she was hitting a deep backhand slice.

vml
Feb 1st, 2010, 11:22 PM
Justine totally outplayed Serena...
Serena was just more consistent

What the hell have you been smoking, dude ? Whatever it is you should stop ASAP because it's obviously getting to your brain and making you say bullshit

vml
Feb 1st, 2010, 11:23 PM
I don't know which match people in this thread were watching. Serena hit one very good slice from the baseline which won her a point. On the other occasions, Justine pretty much always had the upper hand when she was hitting a deep backhand slice.

Well, for once I gotta agree

trufanjay
Feb 2nd, 2010, 12:26 AM
What the hell have you been smoking, dude ? Whatever it is you should stop ASAP because it's obviously getting to your brain and making you say bullshit
:lol: :lol: :lol:

tennisbum79
Feb 2nd, 2010, 12:43 AM
Justine slice is better and she has more ways of doing it.

On the other hand, Serena's sclice has been coming along beautifully, but not yet to Justine's level.
While Justince defense against the slice is also better, Serena's twirling defensive slice was hard for Justine to deal with.
Serena needs to develop an effective offensive of her own, as I said above, her counter-defensive slice is pretty good.

Since the OP mentioned Venus, I must say her slice still needs a lot of work.

Volcana
Feb 2nd, 2010, 02:47 AM
Serena can generate a lot of backspin on her slice, but there's no disguise to it at all. Henin can actually fool people with that shot.

treufreund
Feb 2nd, 2010, 03:11 AM
Actually Serena should get more slice on it. Agassi got a ton of slice on his late in his career. Serena has more weight to put in it and uses string that really bites the ball. On the other hand, I think Justine may have more racquet head speed.

tennisbum79
Feb 2nd, 2010, 03:17 AM
Actually Serena should get more slice on it. Agassi got a ton of slice on his late in his career. Serena has more weight to put in it and uses string that really bites the ball. On the other hand, I think Justine may have more racquet head speed.
Justine owns the slice at the moment, no question about it.


It is not that annoying slice that Conchita Martinez had.
It is a real asset for Justine.

Daniel K
Feb 2nd, 2010, 03:20 AM
Yeah I agree Serena's slice has improved so much. I remember when her wrist hurt at Wimbledon and she could only hit slice backhands and it was a really ordinary shot then. It's a much better now.

phelbyn
Feb 2nd, 2010, 03:24 AM
Can't deny the Henin slice!

tennisbum79
Feb 2nd, 2010, 03:30 AM
I don't know which match people in this thread were watching. Serena hit one very good slice from the baseline which won her a point. On the other occasions, Justine pretty much always had the upper hand when she was hitting a deep backhand slice.
I am beginning to think you do not do nuances.

The overwhelming mahoriy of the responses to this thread has given high marks to Justine for mastering the slice shot.

What most posters say was Serena slice shot , although having imprroved, does not approach the versatiltiy of Justine's slice. There is also agreement that Serena slice still needs work, both in terms of its variety/versatility , and effectiveness.


So I am suprised at your response above.

iPatty
Feb 2nd, 2010, 03:59 AM
The OP must have some good stuff to :smoke: but I agree with the rest of the comments in this thread regarding Serena's slice showing signs of improvement.

Cookie Power
Feb 2nd, 2010, 07:10 AM
Justine totally outplayed Serena...
Serena was just more consistent

You're dumb.

bandabou
Feb 2nd, 2010, 07:28 AM
It's good, still not really a Momo slice or anything..but it sure has come a long way, no?

ZeroSOFInfinity
Feb 2nd, 2010, 07:57 AM
Serena's slice was lovely but still quite unpolished. Justine's one was much more better and tactical. She can virtually slice the ball from the back of the court to the other end with utmost ease, giving her the chance to slow the game down or rushing to the net.

That said, if Serena works more on her slice, it'll be much more difficult to beat her.....

Matt01
Feb 2nd, 2010, 10:19 AM
I am beginning to think you do not do nuance.

The overwhelming mahoriy of the responses to this thread have given high mark to Justine for mastering the slice shot.

What most posters say was Serena slice shot , although having imprroved, does not approach versatiltiy of Justine's slice. There agreement agreement that Serena sclice still needs work, both in terme of veriety/versatility , and effectiveness.


So I am suprised at your response above.


I did not count all the responses in this thread but I remember several posters indicating that Serena won 50% or even more of the "slice-to.slice" rallies. That's what I disagreed with.

Oh, and I give credit to Serena for those slice attempts.

BlameSerena
Feb 2nd, 2010, 10:51 AM
Serena won 2 of the five slice encounters going from memory. Not a total Betty, but a vast improvement. I hope she continues to use it, but I want it to flow with her game. She's used it as a defensive shot mostly in her other matches but she actually has a nice slice. She seems to bring it out mostly when she plays JH though.

LoLex
Feb 2nd, 2010, 10:54 AM
As I remember Serena always had a good slice. Nothing really new. :o

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 2nd, 2010, 11:28 AM
I did not count all the responses in this thread but I remember several posters indicating that Serena won 50% or even more of the "slice-to.slice" rallies. That's what I disagreed with.

Oh, and I give credit to Serena for those slice attempts.
I said that, and I'm fairly sure it's true. I'm talking about "slice to slice" exchanges - not Juju's slice to exclusively Serena's FH or BH.

Count 'em. Check it out. I could be wrong, but I've seen the match twice now. Maybe I'll post a video of every slice to slice exchange if I have time. Perhaps I'm seeing it through "fans" eyes, but go back and count 'em. Let me know.