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davgis
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:26 AM
First of all, this is not some bitter Justine fan who is trying to discredit Serena. Serena is my tied 5th favourite player (with Kim) of all time. I don't like Justine at all.

However, for her to come back after almsot 2 years away from the game, and stretch Serena to 3 sets in her second tournament back speaks better of her han it does for Serena in my opinion. I'm 95% sure she'll win the French Open.

LightWarrior
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:28 AM
You don't create random threads like that.

davgis
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:31 AM
You don't create random threads like that.

What do you mean?

Helen Lawson
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:36 AM
And all the other top 10 and Kim who didn't make the final at least suck worse than Serena?

sorceress
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:38 AM
You could have said this without discrediting Serena.

tennisbum79
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:39 AM
First of all, this is not some bitter Justine fan who is trying to discredit Serena. Serena is my tied 5th favourite player (with Kim) of all time. I don't like Justine at all.

However, for her to come back after almsot 2 years away from the game, and stretch Serena to 3 sets in her second tournament back speaks better of her han it does for Serena in my opinion. I'm 95% sure she'll win the French Open.
I don't really understand this line of reasoning.

Just because the match went 3 sets, it reflected badly oon Serena?

Sir Stefwhit
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:42 AM
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Arnian
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:44 AM
It reflects well on Justine but not poorly on Serena, Justine has always pushed Serena.

Serenita
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:45 AM
first of why would you discredit AO 09,10 Champ. But anywhoos this is what i think about this thread.
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HRHoliviasmith
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:45 AM
what does it say about the rest of the tour though? that after such long layoff both Kim an d Justine were able to make it to the finals in their first tournament back. serena shouldn't even be part of your equation.

davgis
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:48 AM
What I am saying is that the fact Justine was able to get to a Grand Slam final in only her second tournament back, and stretch Serena to three sets is incredible. I'm not discrediting Serena, I am crediting Justine.

Again, I prefer Serena way over Justine.

spartanfan
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:55 AM
Justine did very good for her second tournament back. The bottom half of the draw initially looked liked the harder half of the draw, but by the fourth round the top half had all the real contenders. Everyone who lost to Henin really needs to look deep into their souls and discuss why they aren't a better player. Henin just scored a huge mental advantage over all the players she beat in her two tournaments back. If Serena hadn't been injured and fatigued I think she would have closed it out in two sets (and she had chances). My gut tells me that they each consider the other player their biggest competiton in majors. I really believe with all things equal, and both players healthy and peaking at the same time, Serena will come out a head more often than not. Congrats on #12 Serena. And congrats to both Serena and Venus on #11.

spartanfan
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:57 AM
What I am saying is that the fact Justine was able to get to a Grand Slam final in only her second tournament back, and stretch Serena to three sets is incredible. I'm not discrediting Serena, I am crediting Justine.

Again, I prefer Serena way over Justine.
If Serena had not played Sydney the week before the Australian started, she would have won today in two easy sets. I think all the court time caught up with Serena in the quarter-finals. Making the finals the week before and making the finals in both singles and doubles took it all out of her and caught up to her in the finals, but yet and still she prevailed. Now that's a champion.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 31st, 2010, 02:04 AM
people are acting like jh retired 10 years ago and she's playing totally different players as opposed to when she played :weirdo: she's coming back to play the same players she was playing when she was playing, so it doesn't reflect on anyone what her coming back and still being able to beat them does :rolleyes: i don't get all the hype...if martina nav came back and was doing this THEN i'd understand, but jh has no one on tour that is different from when she was playing...

and as always the "tennis fans" here seem to forget that how individual players match up will always be relevant...so serena getting stretched by jh who took an extended mental injury time out for a while isn't telling any other story than jh took a break and came back to the same tour she left

Serena y Monica
Jan 31st, 2010, 02:16 AM
What I don't get is all the hoopla about female players staying away from the game and coming back strong. Steffi did it, Monica did, Jennifer did it, Venus and Serena did it, Mary Pierce did it...what would be the reason Kim or Justine wouldn't do well. They weren't coming off some injury which could have threatened their career. They both have mad skill and are complete players...please explain y this reflects badly on anyone...even the tour.

mdterp01
Jan 31st, 2010, 02:17 AM
people are acting like jh retired 10 years ago and she's playing totally different players as opposed to when she played :weirdo: she's coming back to play the same players she was playing when she was playing, so it doesn't reflect on anyone what her coming back and still being able to beat them does :rolleyes: i don't get all the hype...if martina nav came back and was doing this THEN i'd understand, but jh has no one on tour that is different from when she was playing...

and as always the "tennis fans" here seem to forget that how individual players match up will always be relevant...so serena getting stretched by jh who took an extended mental injury time out for a while isn't telling any other story than jh took a break and came back to the same tour she left

THIS :worship: Such a good point.

gmokb
Jan 31st, 2010, 02:54 AM
Please lets not forget that Serena also played the doubles as well and was heavily strapped all over. HOwever, I don't care what it reflects, my gal win and has TWELEVE GRAND SLAMS and counting.

Black Mamba.
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:00 AM
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Nupe
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:06 AM
You all will get tired of trying to discredit Serena. She prove you all wrong every time! Haven't you all learned something?! When shes truly determined and motivated, she is the one to beat!

mdterp01
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:12 AM
http://i47.tinypic.com/eq5vmp.jpg

:lol: :rolls:

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:22 AM
http://i47.tinypic.com/eq5vmp.jpg

:lol: :hysteric:

matty
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:33 AM
whatever makes you feel better....

davgis
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:43 AM
I knew this thread would be interpreted incorrectly. I am a Serena fan, and don't like Henin. I am just giving credit to Justine for coming back so strongly. Yeah, Serena had doubles and played the week before, but Justine lacked match play, and also played in Brisbane. She als had that mammoth match against Dementieva.

omoruyi
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:43 AM
First of all, this is not some bitter Justine fan who is trying to discredit Serena. Serena is my tied 5th favourite player (with Kim) of all time. I don't like Justine at all.

However, for her to come back after almsot 2 years away from the game, and stretch Serena to 3 sets in her second tournament back speaks better of her han it does for Serena in my opinion. I'm 95% sure she'll win the French Open.
the events of the last two major events seem to speak very, very highly of all three of them...and it just so happens they are 3 of the 4 best players on tour currently :) the french open committee agrees with your assurance no doubt, why wouldnt they...

Black Mamba.
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:47 AM
I knew this thread would be interpreted incorrectly. I am a Serena fan, and don't like Henin. I am just giving credit to Justine for coming back so strongly. Yeah, Serena had doubles and played the week before, but Justine lacked match play, and also played in Brisbane. She als had that mammoth match against Dementieva.
http://i48.tinypic.com/m81etg.gif

Serenita
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:58 AM
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good lord ur on roll tomight..:haha::happy:

ireneteri
Jan 31st, 2010, 04:02 AM
i dont understand why is it so hard to give justine a credit. even serena said that it could 've gone ever way... that second set was sublime:worship: thats all i have to say

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 31st, 2010, 04:05 AM
i dont understand why is it so hard to give justine a credit. even serena said that it could 've gone ever way... that second set was sublime:worship: thats all i have to say

coulda, woulda, shoulda :hysteric:

tennnisfannn
Jan 31st, 2010, 04:06 AM
What I don't get is all the hoopla about female players staying away from the game and coming back strong. Steffi did it, Monica did, Jennifer did it, Venus and Serena did it, Mary Pierce did it...what would be the reason Kim or Justine wouldn't do well. They weren't coming off some injury which could have threatened their career. They both have mad skill and are complete players...please explain y this reflects badly on anyone...even the tour.
very well said, Kim and justine came back from heaps of rest and were probably already training hard before the announced their comebacks. there is no reason, given their talent, that they should not be right back in a few tounries. Coming back from severe injury takes time ala mara and co.

ireneteri
Jan 31st, 2010, 04:10 AM
coulda, woulda, shoulda :hysteric:

dont be so pathetic:lol:

sweetpeas
Jan 31st, 2010, 04:50 AM
People act like Justine just pick up a racket.Like she stay home and bake....Really she's was well rested!Carlos and Justine been at they're tennis school,teaching.So what up!

brickhousesupporter
Jan 31st, 2010, 04:54 AM
If you say so.

Bijoux0021
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:21 AM
If Serena had not played Sydney the week before the Australian started, she would have won today in two easy sets. I think all the court time caught up with Serena in the quarter-finals. Making the finals the week before and making the finals in both singles and doubles took it all out of her and caught up to her in the finals, but yet and still she prevailed. Now that's a champion.
:worship: :worship:

Tennisstar86
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:23 AM
First of all, this is not some bitter Justine fan who is trying to discredit Serena. Serena is my tied 5th favourite player (with Kim) of all time. I don't like Justine at all.

However, for her to come back after almsot 2 years away from the game, and stretch Serena to 3 sets in her second tournament back speaks better of her han it does for Serena in my opinion. I'm 95% sure she'll win the French Open.

well you dont know much about tennis.... sorry you act like Justine was away in a home somewhere with two broken legs....

She has her own academy shes been playing tennis this whole time not just competitively, but she trained since September, so she was in shape....shes a champion so she already knows how to win....... Pointless thread.

Jeff
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:27 AM
What last night's lights reflected on Serena, is how completely focused she is in grand slam finals, how completely determined and strong she is under pressure situations, and why she has won 12 grand slams.

Volcana
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:59 AM
However, for her to come back after almsot 2 years away from the game, and stretch Serena to 3 sets in her second tournament back speaks better of her han it does for Serena in my opinion.That's one way of looking at it. You could also argue Serena came in injured, and played every day, thuis what she was attempting was vastly more difficult than what Henin was attempting.

Would you argue that Clijsters was more impressive in her return than Henin has been? Clijsters, in her third tournament back, defeated three top ten player and won the US Open. Henin only beat ONE player seeded #16 or highr in making the OZ final. Why not favor Clijsters for Roland Garros?

Obviously what impresses you is what impresses you. By definition, that's subjective. But I find it hard to agree.

cehowardrx7
Jan 31st, 2010, 06:04 AM
Sour Facking Grapes

You Williams Sisters Haters are a sadazz bunch!!!

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 31st, 2010, 06:12 AM
Sour Facking Grapes

You Williams Sisters Haters are a sadazz bunch!!!

AMEN

Tennisstar86
Jan 31st, 2010, 06:17 AM
That's one way of looking at it. You could also argue Serena came in injured, and played every day, thuis what she was attempting was vastly more difficult than what Henin was attempting.

Would you argue that Clijsters was more impressive in her return than Henin has been? Clijsters, in her third tournament back, defeated three top ten player and won the US Open. Henin only beat ONE player seeded #16 or highr in making the OZ final. Why not favor Clijsters for Roland Garros?

Obviously what impresses you is what impresses you. By definition, that's subjective. But I find it hard to agree.

I do favor Clijters for RG... and expect an early upset for Justine...... because shes bringing an aggressive game with her this year...and I dont suspect it will work on the clay... all those errors and double faults she was hitting.... :help:

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 31st, 2010, 07:23 AM
First of all, this is not some bitter Justine fan who is trying to discredit Serena. Serena is my tied 5th favourite player (with Kim) of all time. I don't like Justine at all.

However, for her to come back after almsot 2 years away from the game, and stretch Serena to 3 sets in her second tournament back speaks better of her han it does for Serena in my opinion.
I think you're wrong.

Justine's returned to beat the Williams. Of that, there is can be little doubt. She herself has stated she's come back largely to win Wimby. That, of course, is Williams' territory. She, herself, said in time past she was intimidated by them. So what did she do? She takes all this time off, retools her game, becoming more aggressive in order to have the kind of game that would compete with them on the faster surfaces, comes to AO looking better than ever by many an expert observation. Indeed, she is Juju 2.0, ready to slay the great Williams Dragon, swoop in and rescue the damsel that is "aesthetically pleasing tennis" and carry her safely back out into the light of day for all to behold her beauty. And what does she do when she has her opportunity to do great mental and emotional damage to the monstrosity that is the Serena Williams psyche?

She loses.

She loses to a woman she had beat HANDILY three times prior AT MAJORS.

That's REGRESSION not PROGRESSION. It's a horrible reflection on Juju and her efforts. Further, she demonstrates that she's not capable of pulling off what Kim, her Belgian rival pulled off. So...,


There, how's that? :rolleyes: See, anybody can spin and then argue the spin on this matter. It's foolish.

The fact is, your entire premise is bullshit - a Hobson's choice.

you would have people believe that the only alternative is that one of them is reflected badly and the other good. :bs:

The Final was a win win for both Women. Serena ties BJK with 12, genuinely enters the rarefied of "all time great" status, and suddenly it looks like Chrissy and Nav' are within REAL striking distance, even to non fans. She minimizes the rep damage of the USO incident and quells the talk of "Belgian Domination," solidifying her place as the greatest of her generation.

Juju, proves that she is a talent with few peers. Proves that she has courage and heart to CHANGE her game even in the face of one of - if not THE - fiercest competitor the game has ever known, and that her year has a LOT of upside to it. In many people's eyes, she re-establishes herself as the Top Dog in Belgium, after a horrid showing by Kim.


So, I guess I would just think through your position a bit more.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 31st, 2010, 07:42 AM
http://i48.tinypic.com/m81etg.gif

:rolls: :haha:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 31st, 2010, 07:44 AM
People act like Justine just pick up a racket.Like she stay home and bake....Really she's was well rested!Carlos and Justine been at they're tennis school,teaching.So what up!

thank you sweet peas!!!! :lol:

le bon vivant
Jan 31st, 2010, 07:53 AM
I know youre trolling, but whatever. I disagree with you because Serena did not play that well in this match, and still won it rather comfortably. Serena can and has both moved and served better than she did in this AO final. (Think of any match at the YEC 2009, for the most recent example.) If Serena didn't have the injury issues that she has, she would have won the final in straight sets.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jan 31st, 2010, 08:22 AM
lol, but Serena had all the pressure. She lost to a returning Belgium at the US Open, she didn't want to do the same here. She is the best of her generation and prior to the final was the defending champ and had won 11 singles slams. She went in as the favourite, knowing that if she did lose then everyone would say how weak the tour was etc. etc.

Prior to the final, if Justine were to lose no one would jump on her and discredit her. And as was proven yesterday, that was correct. People still said it was a great comeback.

Serena losing yesterday would have nothing but a negative reaction from the media. So she had all the pressure on her shoulders and it's not surprising she didn't play a good match. The important thing is that she urged herself on to the win!

RenaSlam.
Jan 31st, 2010, 08:25 AM
A win is a win.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 31st, 2010, 08:38 AM
lol, but Serena had all the pressure. She lost to a returning Belgium at the US Open, she didn't want to do the same here. She is the best of her generation and prior to the final was the defending champ and had won 11 singles slams. She went in as the favourite, knowing that if she did lose then everyone would say how weak the tour was etc. etc.

Prior to the final, if Justine were to lose no one would jump on her and discredit her. And as was proven yesterday, that was correct. People still said it was a great comeback.

Serena losing yesterday would have nothing but a negative reaction from the media. So she had all the pressure on her shoulders and it's not surprising she didn't play a good match. The important thing is that she urged herself on to the win!

Agreed. The tough thing about this loss for Justine is that, if she doesn't claim a big scalp (Kim, Venus, Serena) and/or title soon, the pressure/expectation will mount. She was definitely in the "nothing to lose" position in this final, but if she doesn't win something "bragable" real soon, the questions about her will begin.

The Witch-king
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:04 AM
I think the title should have been "the match reflects more on Justine than Serena" if your ago really wasn't to discredit anyone

Matt01
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:38 AM
I know youre trolling, but whatever. I disagree with you because Serena did not play that well in this match, and still won it rather comfortably. Serena can and has both moved and served better than she did in this AO final. (Think of any match at the YEC 2009, for the most recent example.) If Serena didn't have the injury issues that she has, she would have won the final in straight sets.


Yeah, and if Justien played as well as in 2007 or in the semi against Zhen, or if she wasn't retired for almost 2 years, she would have won in 2 sets.

If, if, if...

Oh, I forgot. Serena always beats her opponents in 2 easy sets. If she doesn't, she's injured :rolleyes:

spartanfan
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:33 PM
Yeah, and if Justien played as well as in 2007 or in the semi against Zhen, or if she wasn't retired for almost 2 years, she would have won in 2 sets.

If, if, if...

Oh, I forgot. Serena always beats her opponents in 2 easy sets. If she doesn't, she's injured :rolleyes:
Serena was clearly injured. She doesn't normally wear tape on her thigh and legs during matches. But she won anyway! Singles and Doubles.:bounce:

HRHoliviasmith
Jan 31st, 2010, 03:45 PM
People act like Justine just pick up a racket.Like she stay home and bake....Really she's was well rested!Carlos and Justine been at they're tennis school,teaching.So what up!

:haha: only you sweetpeas...only you.

jdtennisusa
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:16 PM
Actually, the final match shows that Serena Williams is a fine champion.

Serena had all the pressure of trying to win against someone who had beaten her on three previous occasions in grand slams; she had the specter of the US Open incident looming over her and the hatred and criticism that incident engendered; she had to deal with niggling injuries; and she had to deal with playing singles and doubles matches (all of which she won).

The fact that Justine could not take advantage of the above shows how much Justine is the lesser of the two players.

Matt01
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:46 PM
Serena was clearly injured. She doesn't normally wear tape on her thigh and legs during matches. But she won anyway! Singles and Doubles.:bounce:


That doesn't prove that she was injured :p

Serenita
Jan 31st, 2010, 06:00 PM
That doesn't prove that she was injured :p
It only proves she won the match, hence tying with BJ. GOAT!;)

franklinbouvier
Jan 31st, 2010, 06:08 PM
O of course there was something wrong with Serena. Any more taping and she'd have looked like a mummy.
Why would she have had her legs all wrapped up like that if there was nothing wrong? What possible good would it achieve?

And anyway - the match reflected well on both of them. Serena stamped her authority on the tour and Justine announced that she is BACK BACK BACK. Why try to belittle both their achievements?

Sir Stefwhit
Jan 31st, 2010, 06:13 PM
Actually, the final match shows that Serena Williams is a fine champion.

Serena had:
1. all the pressure of trying to win against someone who had beaten her on three previous occasions in grand slams;
2. she had the specter of the US Open incident looming over her
3. the hatred and criticism that (US Open) incident engendered;
4. she had to deal with niggling injuries;
5. she had to deal with playing singles and doubles matches (all of which she won).
Great points to consider!

miffedmax
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:01 PM
There's been speculation from some players and the press that not being caught up in the :weirdo: road map is actually an advantage. It's worth noting that Kim, once back on a more normal schedule, didn't do as well (not that she did badly). It will be interesting to see how well Henin holds up with the WTA's retarded schedule.

miffedmax
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:06 PM
If Serena had not played Sydney the week before the Australian started,

Wait... there was a tournament after Sydney????

Nicolás89
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:09 PM
That doesn't prove that she was injured :p

And what does it prove then? Bad taste for fashion? :help:

Serenita
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:10 PM
Wait... there was a tournament after Sydney????
Don't u suppose to say Lena's bang's after every sentence?:angel:

miffedmax
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:11 PM
And what does it prove then? Bad taste for fashion? :help:

It proves she was left a broken, battered shell of a woman after her pummeling by Dementieva...

okay, I haven't worked this one out completely yet. Give me some time...

Serenita
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:15 PM
It proves she was left a broken, battered shell of a woman after her pummeling by Dementieva...

okay, I haven't worked this one out completely yet. Give me some time... (if u wont say it i will) FUCKING LENA BANGS!!!!
:wavey:

Vlover
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:30 PM
I'm sure Justine is thinking quite the contrary. If she couldn't take down a totally exhausted, injured, not playing well Serena, then she has a tough road ahead of her. This win only boost Serena's confidence more. Hopefully their next encounter Serena will be fully recovered and able to play better.

Justine playing well after a prolonged break is nothing unique in tennis if were good at it in the first place. When both Serena and Venus returned after surgery and recovery they both won their first tournaments back and a number of other players have too therefore I'm not convinced that this is that special. Anyway if the thought is comforting to you and company, then be happy. In the mean time I'm reflecting on this, Serena won!::cheer:

Vlover
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:36 PM
Wait... there was a tournament after Sydney????
At least Lena has 1 tournament under her belt while most have 0 so far.:D

Nicolás89
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:42 PM
I'm sure Justine is thinking quite the contrary. If she couldn't take down a totally exhausted, injured, not playing well Serena, then she has a tough road ahead of her. This win only boost Serena's confidence more.

Serena was everything but playing bad IMO.
I think Justine is happy with herself and how she played.

le bon vivant
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:57 PM
Serena was everything but playing bad IMO.
I think Justine is happy with herself and how she played.Really? the second set?
Justine reeling off 10 straight points? Serena's movement?
Serena played her best at the most critical moments of the match, but overall, she did not play well. She just had pretty effective tactics this time around.

Nicolás89
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:00 PM
Really? the second set?
Justine reeling off 10 straight points? Serena's movement?
Serena played her best at the most critical moments of the match, but overall, she did not play well. She just had pretty effective tactics this time around.

I maintain what I said. :shrug:

le bon vivant
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:02 PM
I maintain what I said. :shrug:Oh Im sorry.
I assumed there was some measure of rationale behind your statement. I guess not. :D

Nicolás89
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:05 PM
Oh Im sorry.
I assumed there was some measure of rationale behind your statement. I guess not. :D

It's all fine, I'll never say Serena played a good match in your presence ever again. :sobbing:

Vlover
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:06 PM
Serena was everything but playing bad IMO.
I think Justine is happy with herself and how she played.
Justine sure didn't look happy to me but you know best I guess.:shrug: Serena played as well as she had to for the win but she certainly can play much better. Anyway I'm happy with the win so I'm not complaining.:banana:

Starfish
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:10 PM
Oh Im sorry.
I assumed there was some measure of rationale behind your statement. I guess not. :D

GET 'EM JUSTIN. :lol:

le bon vivant
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:12 PM
OMG who is that :sobbing:

VishaalMaria
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:16 PM
Some loser which you will deduce sooner rather than later.

da2fdoc
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:19 PM
And I just loved the way the light relected on her back as she left the court a LOSER....

Shuji Shuriken
Jan 31st, 2010, 10:21 PM
I knew this thread would be interpreted incorrectly. I am a Serena fan, and don't like Henin. I am just giving credit to Justine for coming back so strongly. Yeah, Serena had doubles and played the week before, but Justine lacked match play, and also played in Brisbane. She als had that mammoth match against Dementieva.
What the fuck you expect? People cannot and will not accept your bullshit reasoning. These threads kill me though. You people are acting like Justine just picked up her racket one day and decided to waltzed back on the tour. I'm sure she has been working extremely hard on her game and that hard work paid off for her. Justine has always been a fierce competitor and nothing...not even two years away from the game can change that. That along with her sound strokes, makes her transition all the easier. And she has been owning most of those other girls anyway. Everyone just needs to step up their game. What the match reflects for me is that Serena is the Aussie Open Champ 2010...step to that bitch.

BlameSerena
Feb 3rd, 2010, 12:15 PM
:haha: only you sweetpeas...only you.
sweetpeas :worship:
Actually, the final match shows that Serena Williams is a fine champion.

Serena had all the pressure of trying to win against someone who had beaten her on three previous occasions in grand slams; she had the specter of the US Open incident looming over her and the hatred and criticism that incident engendered; she had to deal with niggling injuries; and she had to deal with playing singles and doubles matches (all of which she won).

The fact that Justine could not take advantage of the above shows how much Justine is the lesser of the two players.
Well said.

Calypso
Feb 3rd, 2010, 12:29 PM
What I don't get is all the hoopla about female players staying away from the game and coming back strong. Steffi did it, Monica did, Jennifer did it, Venus and Serena did it, Mary Pierce did it...what would be the reason Kim or Justine wouldn't do well. They weren't coming off some injury which could have threatened their career. They both have mad skill and are complete players...please explain y this reflects badly on anyone...even the tour.

Its not unusual for great female tennis stars to make extraordinary comebacks.

Justine did well to get to the finalS, but she worked hard to get there; and there were no surprises playing Serena, against whom she has played a million times.

So there is nothing surprising about what happened at the A.O. 2010.

bandabou
Feb 3rd, 2010, 01:47 PM
:lol: Yeah..and of course Monica pushing Graf to 3-sets in the ' 95 u.s.open final reflect better on Monica too, huh?!

Vlover
Feb 3rd, 2010, 02:09 PM
:lol: Yeah..and of course Monica pushing Graf to 3-sets in the ' 95 u.s.open final reflect better on Monica too, huh?!
Yea, the gems they come up with to soothe their sorrow is just hilarious!:haha:

miffedmax
Feb 3rd, 2010, 03:29 PM
For all the talk of "saving" tennis and finally getting a three-set final, the best women's match of the last 12 months was still the one that took place last summer in England.

bandabou
Feb 3rd, 2010, 04:57 PM
Yea, the gems they come up with to soothe their sorrow is just hilarious!:haha:

:lol: What can u do?

Donny
Feb 3rd, 2010, 05:21 PM
Yeah, and if Justien played as well as in 2007 or in the semi against Zhen, or if she wasn't retired for almost 2 years, she would have won in 2 sets.

If, if, if...

Oh, I forgot. Serena always beats her opponents in 2 easy sets. If she doesn't, she's injured :rolleyes:

Lol yes, because she was simply trashing Serena *before* she retired.

Do you even read the words you type?

Matt01
Feb 3rd, 2010, 06:01 PM
Lol yes, because she was simply trashing Serena *before* she retired.

Do you even read the words you type?


Yes, unfortunately you have a hard time understanding them.

Arnian
Feb 3rd, 2010, 06:15 PM
Oh Im sorry.
I assumed there was some measure of rationale behind your statement. I guess not. :D

There's never any rationale behind anything you say Le Bon :shrug:, so how can you expect anyone else to show you the same :haha:

le bon vivant
Feb 3rd, 2010, 07:35 PM
There's never any rationale behind anything you say Le Bon :shrug:, so how can you expect anyone else to show you the same :haha:http://i48.tinypic.com/rcn6f5.gif
Arni, dont try it bb :haha:

Donny
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:54 AM
Yes, unfortunately you have a hard time understanding them.

I swore you had put me on ignore.

Dandy_Warhol
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:16 AM
http://i48.tinypic.com/140f8f5.jpg

it does reflect well on Justine but you didn't have to subtly discredit Serena :shrug:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:37 AM
subtly?? the whole point was to discredit her :lol: i don't see when serena loses at a slam or even a final, and the forum wants this all out "analysis" on statistics and then say "oh she may have lost but this match looks better for serena than jh"

in wimbledon 07, when jh needed a 3 setter to get by a one leg one hand serena, and serena fans were saying, it's telling that jh needed 3 sets to beat that serena, and 2007 on a whole was telling since jh never easily dispatched serena when it was clear she wasn't in the best shape, this forum was irate telling serena fans to get over it, and that we should accept that jh is better...now lookie here...:lol:

Slutiana
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:40 AM
subtly?? the whole point was to discredit her :lol: i don't see when serena loses at a slam or even a final, and the forum wants this all out "analysis" on statistics and then say "oh she may have lost but this match looks better for serena than jh"

in wimbledon 07, when jh needed a 3 setter to get by a one leg one hand serena, and serena fans were saying, it's telling that jh needed 3 sets to beat that serena, and 2007 on a whole was telling since jh never easily dispatched serena when it was clear she wasn't in the best shape, this forum was irate telling serena fans to get over it, and that we should accept that jh is better...now lookie here...:lol:
:hysteric: Cripplerena

laurie
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:31 PM
Another crazy Tennis Forum thread.

I agree with many people here. The final reflected well on both players. It reflected well on Justine getting to the final and I liked how Serena coped with the barrage from Justine at the end of the 2nd set, a lot of players might have crumbled in the 3rd set after the barrage of great winners Justine hit to claim the 2nd set.

I can only say some people want blood because at the end of the day, Kim and Justine are talented players who were not out of the game that long and both are well under 30 years old, you should (would) expect them to do well.

Touring all year is a grind and both players left the scene which allowed them to refresh mind, body and spirit. If ranking points were not such an obsession for players and Administrators in Tennis, we may have seen more players take time out as females do in Athletics where they often come back strong after having a baby etc.

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:41 PM
Another crazy Tennis Forum thread.

I can only say some people want blood because at the end of the day, Kim and Justine are talented players who were not out of the game that long and both are well under 30 years old, you should (would) expect them to do well.


Hindsight is a beautiful thing. Before they came back, many posters here were salivating at the prospect of seeing them fail and were fully expecting beatdowns at the hands of young up and coming players due to the tour's increasing depth.

Even now you can read some preposterous posts about Justine retiring if she doesn't win this or that, her AO run being discredited due to a favourable?! draw and about Kim's USO run being a fluke. :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:01 PM
no no...that's what happened when serena was returning...even claiming that jankovic and mauresmo of all players were more powerful than serena :lol:

people here were salivating at the prospect of serena never winning another major, or did you miss ALL THOSE BUMPED THREADS stating such?? and guess who spearheaded those threads...

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:04 PM
no no...that's what happened when serena was returning...even claiming that jankovic and mauresmo of all players were more powerful than serena :lol:

people here were salivating at the prospect of serena never winning another major, or did you miss ALL THOSE BUMPED THREADS stating such?? and guess who spearheaded those threads...

Yep, the world revolves around Serena :lol:

It happened and it happens in both cases. People in general like to see successful players fail.

Vlover
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:13 PM
Yep, the world revolves around Serena :lol:
There is no doubt that women's tennis revolves around her for over a decade!:cool:

Matt01
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:58 PM
There is no doubt that women's tennis revolves around her for over a decade!:cool:


Delusional :tape:

miffedmax
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:29 PM
Serena is the consensus pick for Player of the Decade in the WTA. Even a nonfan has to concede she's been the dominant force, and that the other top players have made their bones as top players by beating her.

If you are a fan of another player, whether it's Justine, Lena, TOB, Sveta, Ana, JJ, Marion, even Venus--I don't care who--and you deny that a win over Serena doesn't put little extra pep in your step you are simply full of :bs:.

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:15 PM
First of all, this is not some bitter Justine fan who is trying to discredit Serena. Serena is my tied 5th favourite player (with Kim) of all time. I don't like Justine at all.

However, for her to come back after almsot 2 years away from the game, and stretch Serena to 3 sets in her second tournament back speaks better of her han it does for Serena in my opinion. I'm 95% sure she'll win the French Open.

:spit: Serena played twice the amount of Justine. You are aware that she played the whole doubles portion of the tournament as well as the singles portion. That on the same day she played a tough two setter that went to two tie breaks in 2 hours in the semis, she had to play a doubles semi and that she had to play a doubles final the day before the singles final. Needless to say, since Justine wasn't playing anything but singles and that she spent less than an hour on court to demolish her opponent one and love in the semis, had the next day off before the final on Friday, she was fresher with arguably more energy than an overworked banged up tired Serena. If she didn't take Serena to three sets, I'd say looks worse for Justine. Especially if she plays a fresh and healthy Serena in the future.

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:21 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/m81etg.gif

:spit: :sobbing:

Matt01
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:22 PM
:spit: Serena played twice the amount of Justine.


No, she didn't.

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:22 PM
i dont understand why is it so hard to give justine a credit. even serena said that it could 've gone ever way... that second set was sublime:worship: thats all i have to say

She was being gracious. :)

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:25 PM
No, she didn't.

:scratch: Oh, I wasn't aware Justine played doubles as well. :weirdo:

Matt01
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:29 PM
:scratch: Oh, I wasn't aware Justine played doubles as well. :weirdo:


You aren't aware of many things :weirdo:

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:31 PM
I think you're wrong.

Justine's returned to beat the Williams. Of that, there is can be little doubt. She herself has stated she's come back largely to win Wimby. That, of course, is Williams' territory. She, herself, said in time past she was intimidated by them. So what did she do? She takes all this time off, retools her game, becoming more aggressive in order to have the kind of game that would compete with them on the faster surfaces, comes to AO looking better than ever by many an expert observation. Indeed, she is Juju 2.0, ready to slay the great Williams Dragon, swoop in and rescue the damsel that is "aesthetically pleasing tennis" and carry her safely back out into the light of day for all to behold her beauty. And what does she do when she has her opportunity to do great mental and emotional damage to the monstrosity that is the Serena Williams psyche?

She loses.

She loses to a woman she had beat HANDILY three times prior AT MAJORS.

That's REGRESSION not PROGRESSION. It's a horrible reflection on Juju and her efforts. Further, she demonstrates that she's not capable of pulling off what Kim, her Belgian rival pulled off. So...,


There, how's that? :rolleyes: See, anybody can spin and then argue the spin on this matter. It's foolish.

The fact is, your entire premise is bullshit - a Hobson's choice.

you would have people believe that the only alternative is that one of them is reflected badly and the other good. :bs:

The Final was a win win for both Women. Serena ties BJK with 12, genuinely enters the rarefied of "all time great" status, and suddenly it looks like Chrissy and Nav' are within REAL striking distance, even to non fans. She minimizes the rep damage of the USO incident and quells the talk of "Belgian Domination," solidifying her place as the greatest of her generation.

Juju, proves that she is a talent with few peers. Proves that she has courage and heart to CHANGE her game even in the face of one of - if not THE - fiercest competitor the game has ever known, and that her year has a LOT of upside to it. In many people's eyes, she re-establishes herself as the Top Dog in Belgium, after a horrid showing by Kim.


So, I guess I would just think through your position a bit more.

OMG this post is so good, I almost started crying. :worship::worship::worship: I tried to rep you DF, but I've given you too much as it is. :lol: Just dayum, man. :lol:

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:34 PM
That doesn't prove that she was injured :p

No, the bandages were a fashion statement. :rolleyes:

Bijoux0021
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:36 PM
She was being gracious. :)
Exactly!

6-4, 7-5 or 7-6 in the third set could have gone either way. 6-2 in the third set was a beatdown. But, had Serena said so, she would have been called arrogant and all sorts of other names.

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Oh Im sorry.
I assumed there was some measure of rationale behind your statement. I guess not. :D

:spit: Y'all are killin' me here. :haha:

Matt01
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:41 PM
No, the bandages were a fashion statement. :rolleyes:


Another thing you weren't aware of :tape:

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:45 PM
subtly?? the whole point was to discredit her :lol: i don't see when serena loses at a slam or even a final, and the forum wants this all out "analysis" on statistics and then say "oh she may have lost but this match looks better for serena than jh"

in wimbledon 07, when jh needed a 3 setter to get by a one leg one hand serena, and serena fans were saying, it's telling that jh needed 3 sets to beat that serena, and 2007 on a whole was telling since jh never easily dispatched serena when it was clear she wasn't in the best shape, this forum was irate telling serena fans to get over it, and that we should accept that jh is better...now lookie here...:lol:

:worship: Excellent point.

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:49 PM
Another crazy Tennis Forum thread.

I agree with many people here. The final reflected well on both players. It reflected well on Justine getting to the final and I liked how Serena coped with the barrage from Justine at the end of the 2nd set, a lot of players might have crumbled in the 3rd set after the barrage of great winners Justine hit to claim the 2nd set.



Yes and Justine was a real trooper as well, to face being broken twice and a barrage of winners against her in the third set. But, let's get one thing straight, which I thought was settled quite some time ago. Serena is not a "lot of players". :)

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:51 PM
Another thing you weren't aware of :tape:

*pats Matt on the point of his head* Give it up lil Matt. :)

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 08:53 PM
Serena is the consensus pick for Player of the Decade in the WTA. Even a nonfan has to concede she's been the dominant force, and that the other top players have made their bones as top players by beating her.

If you are a fan of another player, whether it's Justine, Lena, TOB, Sveta, Ana, JJ, Marion, even Venus--I don't care who--and you deny that a win over Serena doesn't put little extra pep in your step you are simply full of :bs:.

:worship::worship::worship:

cehowardrx7
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:17 PM
Delusional :tape:

Matt, do you think they will start offering Serena and Venus "start money" to play in tournaments, ya know like they do with Tiger Woods? http://www.cehoward.net/badteeth%5b1%5d.gif

mykarma
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:54 PM
There is no doubt that women's tennis revolves around her for over a decade!:cool:
pwned

mykarma
Feb 5th, 2010, 12:13 AM
*pats Matt on the point of his head* Give it up lil Matt. :)
:spit:

young_gunner913
Feb 5th, 2010, 12:29 AM
I love how the OP starts off saying his not some bitter Justine fan... but the rest of his post supports so. So what if it was in 2 sets or in 3 sets, that doesnt mean shit. In the end it matters who won, Serena won, Justine lost. All these little Henin trolls need to pack up their bullshit and fall back into oblivion until clay season comes.

harloo
Feb 5th, 2010, 01:38 AM
I think you're wrong.

Justine's returned to beat the Williams. Of that, there is can be little doubt. She herself has stated she's come back largely to win Wimby. That, of course, is Williams' territory. She, herself, said in time past she was intimidated by them. So what did she do? She takes all this time off, retools her game, becoming more aggressive in order to have the kind of game that would compete with them on the faster surfaces, comes to AO looking better than ever by many an expert observation. Indeed, she is Juju 2.0, ready to slay the great Williams Dragon, swoop in and rescue the damsel that is "aesthetically pleasing tennis" and carry her safely back out into the light of day for all to behold her beauty. And what does she do when she has her opportunity to do great mental and emotional damage to the monstrosity that is the Serena Williams psyche?

She loses.

She loses to a woman she had beat HANDILY three times prior AT MAJORS.

That's REGRESSION not PROGRESSION. It's a horrible reflection on Juju and her efforts. Further, she demonstrates that she's not capable of pulling off what Kim, her Belgian rival pulled off. So...,


There, how's that? :rolleyes: See, anybody can spin and then argue the spin on this matter. It's foolish.

The fact is, your entire premise is bullshit - a Hobson's choice.

you would have people believe that the only alternative is that one of them is reflected badly and the other good. :bs:

The Final was a win win for both Women. Serena ties BJK with 12, genuinely enters the rarefied of "all time great" status, and suddenly it looks like Chrissy and Nav' are within REAL striking distance, even to non fans. She minimizes the rep damage of the USO incident and quells the talk of "Belgian Domination," solidifying her place as the greatest of her generation.

Juju, proves that she is a talent with few peers. Proves that she has courage and heart to CHANGE her game even in the face of one of - if not THE - fiercest competitor the game has ever known, and that her year has a LOT of upside to it. In many people's eyes, she re-establishes herself as the Top Dog in Belgium, after a horrid showing by Kim.


So, I guess I would just think through your position a bit more.


POW!!!:bounce::bounce:

HRHoliviasmith
Feb 5th, 2010, 01:53 AM
I love how the OP starts off saying his not some bitter Justine fan... but the rest of his post supports so. So what if it was in 2 sets or in 3 sets, that doesnt mean shit. In the end it matters who won, Serena won, Justine lost. All these little Henin trolls need to pack up their bullshit and fall back into oblivion until clay season comes.

:spit:

Matt01
Feb 5th, 2010, 10:39 AM
I love how the OP starts off saying his not some bitter Justine fan... but the rest of his post supports so. So what if it was in 2 sets or in 3 sets, that doesnt mean shit. In the end it matters who won, Serena won, Justine lost. All these little Henin trolls need to pack up their bullshit and fall back into oblivion until clay season comes.


And you need to pack up your bullshit RIGHT NOW and leave this board forever. Everyone would be grateful for that. :bigwave:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 5th, 2010, 11:27 AM
I can't imagine anyone seriously considered Henin was going to return and win the Australian Open. Carlos Rodriguez didn't. Henin didn't. Henin's run to the Brisbane and Australian Open finals was unique for someone who hadn't played a professional tennis match in almost two years.

Henin 2.0 didn't look a lot different than Henin 1.0 in my opinion. I don't mean that negatively, but her serve and forehand still had problems. The one thing that stood out about her game was her aggression towards the net. The girl can volley when she gives herself an opportunity to get to the net.

Approaching the French Open, I can't imagine rushing the net to be a priority for Henin. Working on her serve and forehand seem to be the focus by her coach.

Winning Wimbledon is a stated goal of Henin 2.0. Becoming the #1 player is not. Henin is one of only a handful of players on tour who has won a tennis tournament on all surfaces. Henin has proved that she can play on grass. Her largest impediment to winning Wimbledon has been her low first-serve percentage. The only way Henin 2.0 can seriously challenge an uninjured Venus or Serena Williams at Wimbledon is if she raises her first serve percentage and return serve very well.

I would say up to this point Henin's return has gone well and is good for the sport. Her presence in the grand slam events will create a more competitive draw and her contrasting style of play will continue to challenge the top players.

I do think Henin's return will ultimately motivate Serena to stay in the game longer and continue her high level of play. Its a win-win for the sport.


let's get one thing straight...if she didn't come back to win she should have stayed "retired" until wimbledon...if wimbledon is all she wants she should "retire" again after wimbledon...

and don't kid yourself thinking that neither jh nor carlos didn't think they would win...they like to play mind games and say "oh the pressure is not on jh, we expect elena to win"...NO ONE goes into anything thinking they will lose, and still fights through a relatively tough match, which she did for 3 straight rounds against elena, alisa and yanina...if she thought she was going to lose she would have rolled over and just waited for wimbledon....

henin missed ONE season on tour, she missed the 2nd half of 2008...and even in that ONE season i doubt, as some here like to propagate, that she ONLY started hitting a tennis ball in august/september...and even if i were to believe that, henin is still facing the same players she left on tour...she didn't retire 10-15 years ago and is now facing this whole new batch of players that she now has to figure out their games etc...this is the same crop of people with the same game and the same mentality...of course with how she has the mental edge over the majority of those players she knew she could come back and win easily...the only thing different on tour is that serena has gotten fitter than she was in 2007 when she was now returning...

The Witch-king
Feb 5th, 2010, 12:03 PM
let's get one thing straight...if she didn't come back to win she should have stayed "retired" until wimbledon...if wimbledon is all she wants she should "retire" again after wimbledon...

and don't kid yourself thinking that neither jh nor carlos didn't think they would win...they like to play mind games and say "oh the pressure is not on jh, we expect elena to win"...NO ONE goes into anything thinking they will lose, and still fights through a relatively tough match, which she did for 3 straight rounds against elena, alisa and yanina...if she thought she was going to lose she would have rolled over and just waited for wimbledon....

henin missed ONE season on tour, she missed the 2nd half of 2008...and even in that ONE season i doubt, as some here like to propagate, that she ONLY started hitting a tennis ball in august/september...and even if i were to believe that, henin is still facing the same players she left on tour...she didn't retire 10-15 years ago and is now facing this whole new batch of players that she now has to figure out their games etc...this is the same crop of people with the same game and the same mentality...of course with how she has the mental edge over the majority of those players she knew she could come back and win easily...the only thing different on tour is that serena has gotten fitter than she was in 2007 when she was now returning...

if she didn't think she could win why bother with all the "allez"? For someone who only cases about Wimbledon she sure put in a lot of effort trying to win sets against Serena etc.

Shinjiro
Feb 5th, 2010, 01:36 PM
Of course she plays to win. But that said, were you people actually expecting her to win the AO? Seriously?

I'm happy she got to the finals, and hope she has the serve and FH sorted out come the clay court season. :)

Vlover
Feb 5th, 2010, 01:43 PM
let's get one thing straight...if she didn't come back to win she should have stayed "retired" until wimbledon...if wimbledon is all she wants she should "retire" again after wimbledon...

and don't kid yourself thinking that neither jh nor carlos didn't think they would win...they like to play mind games and say "oh the pressure is not on jh, we expect elena to win"...NO ONE goes into anything thinking they will lose, and still fights through a relatively tough match, which she did for 3 straight rounds against elena, alisa and yanina...if she thought she was going to lose she would have rolled over and just waited for wimbledon....
You are on fire! :yeah: The Williams camp certainly are not falling for Carols mind games. Justine and Carlos wholeheartedly felt they had a good chance with Serena exhausted and injured. There are only four players they have any concern about at this time and that is an inform Serena, Venus, Kim and Pova. Sveta and Diana could challenge her on clay but as Justine said they are too scared to win therefore she is not worried about them.

young_gunner913
Feb 5th, 2010, 01:58 PM
And you need to pack up your bullshit RIGHT NOW and leave this board forever. Everyone would be grateful for that. :bigwave:

i could say the same exact thing for you bitch. so deal with it cause im not going anywhere. :wavey:

you can go back to sucking justine's ass hoping and praying to god that she'll beat serena somewhere so you have something to troll about. fall back hater, fall back. :)

miffedmax
Feb 5th, 2010, 02:03 PM
Of course she plays to win. But that said, were you people actually expecting her to win the AO? Seriously?

I'm happy she got to the finals, and hope she has the serve and FH sorted out come the clay court season. :)

She did better than I expected. But yes, a lot of people were claiming she would win the AO and picking her to beat Serena in 2.

Craigy
Feb 5th, 2010, 02:16 PM
And you need to pack up your bullshit RIGHT NOW and leave this board forever. Everyone would be grateful for that. :bigwave:

Well that's obviously not true. :lol:

Shinjiro
Feb 5th, 2010, 02:26 PM
She did better than I expected. But yes, a lot of people were claiming she would win the AO and picking her to beat Serena in 2.Ok. Me too actually, but only once she reached the final.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 02:45 PM
let's get one thing straight...if she didn't come back to win she should have stayed "retired" until wimbledon...if wimbledon is all she wants she should "retire" again after wimbledon...

and don't kid yourself thinking that neither jh nor carlos didn't think they would win...they like to play mind games and say "oh the pressure is not on jh, we expect elena to win"...NO ONE goes into anything thinking they will lose, and still fights through a relatively tough match, which she did for 3 straight rounds against elena, alisa and yanina...if she thought she was going to lose she would have rolled over and just waited for wimbledon....

henin missed ONE season on tour, she missed the 2nd half of 2008...and even in that ONE season i doubt, as some here like to propagate, that she ONLY started hitting a tennis ball in august/september...and even if i were to believe that, henin is still facing the same players she left on tour...she didn't retire 10-15 years ago and is now facing this whole new batch of players that she now has to figure out their games etc...this is the same crop of people with the same game and the same mentality...of course with how she has the mental edge over the majority of those players she knew she could come back and win easily...the only thing different on tour is that serena has gotten fitter than she was in 2007 when she was now returning...

:worship::worship::worship:

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 02:49 PM
And you need to pack up your bullshit RIGHT NOW and leave this board forever. Everyone would be grateful for that. :bigwave:

The only thing everyone would be grateful for is for you to pack up your trollery and leave RIGHT NOW. :lol: yg is just fine here.

Golovinjured.
Feb 5th, 2010, 02:52 PM
I wouldn't be grateful. I love young gunner and Matt01.

Denise on the other hand... yada yada back up ur trolley :bigwave:

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 03:16 PM
I wouldn't be grateful. I love young gunner and Matt01.

Denise on the other hand... yada yada back up ur trolley :bigwave:

Yes Golovinjured, I'm trolling a thread where my fave is part of the subject. Wow, you're so smart. Who knew? :lol: :tape:

Arnian
Feb 5th, 2010, 03:44 PM
Butterena spreading false shit as usual I see.
Wanting to win and actually thinking you're going to win are two totally different things
Justine is a fighter, so of course she was going to give it her best shot, but no where did she ever say her goal was to win the AO.

Also, Justine played tennis once during her entire retirement, she had surgery on her knee, and lassex. So, as usual you're making false accusations and spreading :bs: Justine has stated clearly that she had no interest in tennis for a long time, so I don't know why that hasn't sunk in for you yet.

Golovinjured.
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:08 PM
Yes Golovinjured, I'm trolling a thread where my fave is part of the subject. Wow, you're so smart. Who knew? :lol: :tape:

You said you had me on ignore. :rolls: You're so pathetic. Who knew I was so special to you. :kiss: :weirdo:

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:11 PM
Butterena spreading false shit as usual I see.
Wanting to win and actually thinking you're going to win are two totally different things
Justine is a fighter, so of course she was going to give it her best shot, but no where did she ever say her goal was to win the AO.

Also, Justine played tennis once during her entire retirement, she had surgery on her knee, and lassex. So, as usual you're making false accusations and spreading :bs: Justine has stated clearly that she had no interest in tennis for a long time, so I don't know why that hasn't sunk in for you yet.

Then why did she enter the tournament? :confused:

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:13 PM
You said you had me on ignore. :rolls: You're so pathetic. Who knew I was so special to you. :kiss: :weirdo:

You are on ignore. But only so your stupid inane bad reps don't spoil my green valley in my rep column. :devil: I still look at your posts for entertainment. You do know that's possible, right? :lol:

Arnian
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:14 PM
Then why did she enter the tournament? :confused:

To get matches under her belt, and see how she would play in a GS atmosphere.
Not until receiving the WC for Indian Wells, has she spoken of actually winning a tournament.

Golovinjured.
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:15 PM
You are on ignore. But only so your stupid inane bad reps don't spoil my green valley in my rep column. :devil: I still look at your posts for entertainment. You do know that's possible, right? :lol:

I've never felt intimidated enough to put someone on ignore before.

Olórin
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:20 PM
I've never felt intimidated enough to put someone on ignore before.

And I've never felt petty enough to repeatedly badrep someone, but heyho to each his own.
Lets live and and let live here :shrug:

Golovinjured.
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:24 PM
And I've never felt petty enough to repeatedly badrep someone, but heyho to each his own.
Lets live and and let live here :shrug:

I get more badreps from Serena fans than I dish out, especially from your queen Denise. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Olórin
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:26 PM
I get more badreps from Serena fans than I dish out, especially from your queen Denise. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh dear, and you're not even a hater. They must really not like you :shrug:

Golovinjured.
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:27 PM
I've come to terms with that.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 04:31 PM
Oh dear, and you're not even a hater. They must really not like you :shrug:

:lol::lol::lol:

latte
Feb 5th, 2010, 05:09 PM
I can't really follow your thought process, nor can I comment whether or not Henin and Rodriguez were playing mind games, because no one really knows that except themselves.

Its impossible for someone to just show-up at Wimbledon and win the title after not playing for over two years in grand slam competition. In preparation, its very logical to play tournaments before the grand slam event when you haven't played in long time.

The last grand slam tournament Henin played before her retirement was the 2008 Australian Open. Henin officially retired in May 2008. In October 2008, she underwent knee surgery. No one in the press published any still shots of Henin playing tennis during that time or the weeks to follow. All the other stuff you say is just subjective hog-wash that you can neither prove or defend.

You interject a lot of doubt surrounding Henin's motives, her coach and such. I'm not even a huge Henin fan, but I'm not going to delude myself by buying into all the half-baked Henin conspiracy theories.

BAM AND MEGA PWNED :lol::lol: :worship::worship::worship:

AcesHigh
Feb 5th, 2010, 05:09 PM
I can't imagine anyone seriously considered Henin was going to return and win the Australian Open. Carlos Rodriguez didn't. Henin didn't. Henin's run to the Brisbane and Australian Open finals was unique for someone who hadn't played a professional tennis match in almost two years.

Henin 2.0 didn't look a lot different than Henin 1.0 in my opinion. I don't mean that negatively, but her serve and forehand still had problems. The one thing that stood out about her game was her aggression towards the net. The girl can volley when she gives herself an opportunity to get to the net.

Approaching the French Open, I can't imagine rushing the net to be a priority for Henin. Working on her serve and forehand seem to be the focus by her coach.

Winning Wimbledon is a stated goal of Henin 2.0. Becoming the #1 player is not. Henin is one of only a handful of players on tour who has won a tennis tournament on all surfaces. Henin has proved that she can play on grass. Her largest impediment to winning Wimbledon has been her low first-serve percentage. The only way Henin 2.0 can seriously challenge an uninjured Venus or Serena Williams at Wimbledon is if she raises her first serve percentage and return serve very well.

I would say up to this point Henin's return has gone well and is good for the sport. Her presence in the grand slam events will create a more competitive draw and her contrasting style of play will continue to challenge the top players.

I do think Henin's return will ultimately motivate Serena to stay in the game longer and continue her high level of play. Its a win-win for the sport.

Great post. I think she has a lot of things to work on. And I disagree in that Henin 2.0 looked a lot different in terms of her strokes and some of her tactics. It's only logical though that this will take a while to impliment effectively in match play.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:02 PM
I can't really follow your thought process, nor can I comment whether or not Henin and Rodriguez were playing mind games, because no one really knows that except themselves.

If you can't follow his thought process, how did you come up with a retort? There is no delusion in the history of Henin and Carlos playing mind games. You'd have to be deluded not to acknowledge that not only do they do it, but all of the top players do it.

Its impossible for someone to just show-up at Wimbledon and win the title after not playing for over two years in grand slam competition. In preparation, its very logical to play tournaments before the grand slam event when you haven't played in long time.

Really?? Is this true for all GS tournaments or just Wimbledon? Because if you are saying that with regard to all GS, you might want to tell Serena that. Just sayin... :shrug:

And now it's OVER two years since Henin has played in GS competition. :yeah: Okay. :lol:

The last grand slam tournament Henin played before her retirement was the 2008 Australian Open. Henin officially retired in May 2008. In October 2008, she underwent knee surgery. No one in the press published any still shots of Henin playing tennis during that time or the weeks to follow. All the other stuff you say is just subjective hog-wash that you can neither prove or defend.

It is not illogical to think that Henin picked up a racquet to practice prior to August of 2009. Serena had knee surgery in August of '03 and played and won Miami '04. No one in the press published any still shots of her playing tennis during that time or the weeks to follow, yet she played and won a big tournament 7 months after her surgery. However, just because there were no published reports of it, I have no doubt she picked up a racquet and played some tennis prior to return after surgery. It's not illogical to think that Henin picked up a racquet prior to August of '09. It's also not illogical to think that she had been comtemplating her return to the tour prior to August of '09.

You interject a lot of doubt surrounding Henin's motives, her coach and such. I'm not even a huge Henin fan, but I'm not going to delude myself by buying into all the half-baked Henin conspiracy theories.

How long have you been following tennis? Henin and her coach have given fans plenty of reason to doubt their motives and actions based on their own statements. :shrug:

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:05 PM
AcesHigh, I concede that Henin 2.0 is taking the ball earlier (shortening her backswing) and being more aggressive on the service return in hopes of gaining early court position to attack the net. All good strategies for Wimbledon. However, the redacted service motion she acquired in 2007 still hasn't culminated into a higher serve percentage, her double faults continue to be bothersome and the limiting of her forehand backswing hasn't improved her forehand errors. The latter three I would not consider a significant movement from Henin 1.0.

The most aggressively I saw Henin play in a tennis match was during the 2006 Wimbledon Finals. Both her and Mauresmo's play brought back memories of Wimbledon's past.

It appears what she's attempting to gain in aggression, she's giving up in her ability to thoughtfully move her opponents around the court which was a great advantage to her clay court prowess. I think this point is very debatable.

Having completely overanalyzed Henin's game, I agree that it will take more match play for her service game to improve and to become more comfortable rushing the net consistently. I think it was a bold move on her part to return with a different mindset and goal of winning Wimbledon.

So, is her return based solely on her winning Wimbledon and all of the GS's leading up to Wimbledon are warm-ups? :confused:

G1Player2
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:06 PM
I agree with ButterEna when she says people are acting like Henin retired 10 years ago. She retired less than 2 years ago and she has been fresh as a daisy. It's not like she completely eradiacted tennis from her life after her retirement. I mean, she was still training and was still in good physical shape. I mean, it's a great achievement that she has comeback and reached 2 straight finals, but what she has done isn't unprecedented. Monica Seles came back and won a Grand Slam after being stabbed and being gone from the tour for over 2 years.

And, who can forget Serena Williams? I mean, unlike Justine, Serena was out of the game for injury and health related issues right before the AO in 2007. She came in, worked her way into shape, and won the tournament surprising the tennis world including her fans. She also beat a red hot Sharapova in the final who had just won the US Open and Sharapova also crushed Clijsters in the semis.

So, I don't see how this match and tournament reflects better on Justine considering Serena has done this before and WON, under some much more incredible circumstances yet I didn't hear anyone talking about how Serena's win reflects on Sharapova, Jankovic and Petrova in 2007 who were all playing amazing at that moment.

Also, Serena was beat up, withered, tired, and even slightly injured. People seem to forget that Serena had to play her QF and SF on back to back days and those matches combined were almost 5 hours. :eek: Not even including her doubles play which makes her efforts even more incredible. And, to have won both the doubles and the singles. :eek:

Arnian
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:29 PM
I agree with ButterEna when she says people are acting like Henin retired 10 years ago. She retired less than 2 years ago and she has been fresh as a daisy. It's not like she completely eradiacted tennis from her life after her retirement. I mean, she was still training and was still in good physical shape. I mean, it's a great achievement that she has comeback and reached 2 straight finals, but what she has done isn't unprecedented. Monica Seles came back and won a Grand Slam after being stabbed and being gone from the tour for over 2 years.

And, who can forget Serena Williams? I mean, unlike Justine, Serena was out of the game for injury and health related issues right before the AO in 2007. She came in, worked her way into shape, and won the tournament surprising the tennis world including her fans. She also beat a red hot Sharapova in the final who had just won the US Open and Sharapova also crushed Clijsters in the semis.

So, I don't see how this match and tournament reflects better on Justine considering Serena has done this before and WON, under some much more incredible circumstances yet I didn't hear anyone talking about how Serena's win reflects on Sharapova, Jankovic and Petrova in 2007 who were all playing amazing at that moment.

Also, Serena was beat up, withered, tired, and even slightly injured. People seem to forget that Serena had to play her QF and SF on back to back days and those matches combined were almost 5 hours. :eek: Not even including her doubles play which makes her efforts even more incredible. And, to have won both the doubles and the singles. :eek:

G1 I'm not arguing with you, I just wanna point out that Monica returned in 95, and had a great hard court season run and made it to the US Open final, so she was already back in GS mode by the time she won the AO in 96. Still a great accomplish though after the terrible event in Germany, but it's not the same situation.

Also, I'm not sure if Maryann was even arguing that it looked better for Justine than Serena, she was just acknowledging that Justine didn't start training until very recently.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:35 PM
Alpha Dog Bully, much?

Huh??!! :confused:

G1Player2
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:36 PM
Huh??!! :confused:

I think that's Swampi Marjorie Denise.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:43 PM
G1 I'm not arguing with you, I just wanna point out that Monica returned in 95, and had a great hard court season run and made it to the US Open final, so she was already back in GS mode by the time she won the AO in 96. Still a great accomplish though after the terrible event in Germany, but it's not the same situation.

No it's not the same situation. It's an even great feat of accomplishment from Monica, regardless of whether she played a GS or not before she won the next one. Monica was stabbed. Justine was tired of tennis. :shrug: Before you say it, I know Justine had knee surgery. But I won't even go into the emotional turmoil and fear Monica endured returning to center court after that incident, compared to Justine's return.

Also, I'm not sure if Maryann was even arguing that it looked better for Justine than Serena, she was just acknowledging that Justine didn't start training until very recently.

But, unless MaryAnn is a part of Justine's entourage, there's no way for her to know that as a fact.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:45 PM
You are correct.

I've never inferred or said that Henin's comeback loss in the Australian Open final could have possibly been more positive than a grand slam win by Serena Williams.

There seem to be a lot of overly defensive fans running amok.

Likewise, there seems to be a lot of overly excuse driven fans running amuck.

Arnian
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:47 PM
No it's not the same situation. It's an even great feat of accomplishment from Monica, regardless of whether she played a GS or not before she won the next one. Monica was stabbed. Justine was tired of tennis. :shrug: Before you say it, I know Justine had knee surgery. But I won't even go into the emotional turmoil and fear Monica endured returning to center court after that incident, compared to Justine's return.



But, unless MaryAnn is a part of Justine's entourage, there's no way for her to know that as a fact.

Yes Denise you are right that it was amazing Monica could return to the tour at all, let alone win another major. Honestly I would put that above what Serena did in 07, as amazing as that was.

We can't know that for a fact, but we also can't go off making wild accusations and conspiratory comments like Butterena was doing. What we do have is what Justine has said she has done and hasn't done, and for me personally this is enough.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:51 PM
Yes Denise you are right that it was amazing Monica could return to the tour at all, let alone win another major. Honestly I would put that above what Serena did in 07, as amazing as that was.

Of course.

We can't know that for a fact, but we also can't go off making wild accusations and conspiratory comments like Butterena was doing. What we do have is what Justine has said she has done and hasn't done, and for me personally this is enough.

What's so wild about Butterena's assertions? How are the comments conspiratory? It's great and I'm not surprised that you feel that way about your fave and you should, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. The problem I have with MaryAnn's opinion is that she and you stated it as it were fact. :shrug:

G1Player2
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:51 PM
You don't need to be a part of Henin's entourage to know when she is or isn't training.


Updated: September 22, 2009, 4:59 PM ET

Henin returns, hopes to win Wimbledon

BRUSSELS -- Justine Henin is seeking the elusive Wimbledon title in her return to the WTA tour.

It's the only Grand Slam the former top-ranked player hasn't won. And it loomed large in her decision to end a one-year retirement from the sport.

Justine Henin, winner of seven Grand Slam titles, is ending her retirement.
"It is a dream of mine," Henin said Tuesday. "I want to work to get it. I make it a priority."

Barely a week after compatriot Kim Clijsters capped her comeback from retirement with a second U.S. Open title, Henin announced her return live on Belgian TV.

Henin was one game away from victory in the Wimbledon semifinals in 2007 before losing to Marion Bartoli. Henin's coach Carlos Rodriguez, who also will make a comeback, believes she can take the grass-court title.

"I can see her winning it," Rodriguez told RTL-TVI network. "This fourth title, it is one of the reasons for coming back."

Henin's announcement capped an about-face from her "definitive decision" to retire last year, followed in recent weeks by "no comment," until a smiling admission Tuesday that she truly missed the game too much.

"A flame I thought was extinguished forever suddenly lit up again," Henin said on TV.

Her plans include exhibition tournaments in Charleroi, Belgium, and Dubai, to hone her skills ahead of a competitive return at the Australian Open.

"Justine is one of the great champions in the history of women's tennis, and we, along with millions of her fans around the globe, are thrilled," WTA Tour Chairman Stacey Allaster said in a statement. "Justine is that rare athlete who decided to step away from the game at the height of her powers, and no doubt she will be a force to be reckoned with from the get go."

As Clijsters has proved, breaking into the top tier is realistic. Clijsters won the U.S. Open in her third tournament since returning from a 2½-year retirement to get married and have a baby.

"Subconsciously, it might have had an impact," Henin said of Clijsters' success. "But it certainly was not the most important reason."

Henin retired in May 2008, initially rejecting any thought of a comeback with a determination that marked her play in a decade-long career that produced seven Grand Slam titles. She said she was tired of nagging injuries and living in a bubble while chasing titles.

During her retirement, Henin became a UNICEF goodwill ambassador and focused on vaccinations for children in the Congo, Cambodia and Denmark.

But she said she couldn't fight a competitive spirit that still burns.

"Adrenaline is part of my life, my existence. It is in my character," she said.

Like Clijsters, the 27-year-old Henin is still in her prime and has been able to rest her body. She stepped away from the game after a string of early tournament exits just ahead of the French Open, a tournament she's won four times.

Henin was the first female player to retire at No. 1, having earned nearly $20 million in prize money and holding the top ranking for all but seven weeks since Nov. 13, 2006 until her retirement.

"The last 15 months, I've been able to recharge the batteries, emotionally as well," Henin said.

On Tuesday, Henin was back hitting balls, using the constant repetition of strokes to regain perfection under pressure.

"The toughest moment is right now. It is to create the foundation," she said.

Henin said she wants to play at least until the 2012 London Olympics, when she will be 30. She won gold in singles at the 2004 Athens Games.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=4494731

:rolleyes: How ambiguous. Do you really expect me to believe that Justine didn't start hitting balls until September?

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:52 PM
I can't imagine anyone seriously considered Henin was going to return and win the Australian Open. Carlos Rodriguez didn't. Henin didn't. Henin's run to the Brisbane and Australian Open finals was unique for someone who hadn't played a professional tennis match in almost two years.

Henin 2.0 didn't look a lot different than Henin 1.0 in my opinion. I don't mean that negatively, but her serve and forehand still had problems. The one thing that stood out about her game was her aggression towards the net. The girl can volley when she gives herself an opportunity to get to the net.

Approaching the French Open, I can't imagine rushing the net to be a priority for Henin. Working on her serve and forehand seem to be the focus by her coach.

Winning Wimbledon is a stated goal of Henin 2.0. Becoming the #1 player is not. Henin is one of only a handful of players on tour who has won a tennis tournament on all surfaces. Henin has proved that she can play on grass. Her largest impediment to winning Wimbledon has been her low first-serve percentage. The only way Henin 2.0 can seriously challenge an uninjured Venus or Serena Williams at Wimbledon is if she raises her first serve percentage and return serve very well.

I would say up to this point Henin's return has gone well and is good for the sport. Her presence in the grand slam events will create a more competitive draw and her contrasting style of play will continue to challenge the top players.

I do think Henin's return will ultimately motivate Serena to stay in the game longer and continue her high level of play. Its a win-win for the sport.

Alright, I'm gonna take a deep breath here, before bring out the long knives, and give you the benefit of the doubt. When you posted the above, were you responding to me? You did, after all, quote me? If so, I'd love to know what EXACTLY it was you think I was saying and, before you answer, I suggest you go back and read my post and WHY I wrote it the way I did.

And you need to pack up your bullshit RIGHT NOW and leave this board forever. Everyone would be grateful for that. :bigwave:

...he said, while looking in the mirror.

let's get one thing straight...if she didn't come back to win she should have stayed "retired" until wimbledon...if wimbledon is all she wants she should "retire" again after wimbledon...

and don't kid yourself thinking that neither jh nor carlos didn't think they would win...they like to play mind games and say "oh the pressure is not on jh, we expect elena to win"...NO ONE goes into anything thinking they will lose, and still fights through a relatively tough match, which she did for 3 straight rounds against elena, alisa and yanina...if she thought she was going to lose she would have rolled over and just waited for wimbledon....

henin missed ONE season on tour, she missed the 2nd half of 2008...and even in that ONE season i doubt, as some here like to propagate, that she ONLY started hitting a tennis ball in august/september...and even if i were to believe that, henin is still facing the same players she left on tour...she didn't retire 10-15 years ago and is now facing this whole new batch of players that she now has to figure out their games etc...this is the same crop of people with the same game and the same mentality...of course with how she
come back and win easily...the only thing different on tour is that serena has gotten fitter than she was in 2007 when she was now returning...
TRUTH :bowdown:

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:53 PM
On Tuesday, Henin was back hitting balls, using the constant repetition of strokes to regain perfection under pressure.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=4494731

:spit: That's when she allowed the reporters in. That article doesn't tell the whole story.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:54 PM
...he said, while looking in the mirror.




:rolls: :rolls: :rolls:

Arnian
Feb 5th, 2010, 08:56 PM
Of course.



What's so wild about Butterena's assertions? How are the comments conspiratory? It's great and I'm not surprised that you feel that way about your fave and you should, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. The problem I have with MaryAnn's opinion is that she and you stated it as it were fact. :shrug:

Turn it around, what if Serena said she didn't pick up a tennis racquet until September? Stated very openly that she didn't watch any tennis or experience any tennis, minus one time when she played with friends. I'm sure you wouldn't take too kindly to some Serena hater making similar comments, because it would seem relatively factual to you?

I think if a player says they didn't train until a certain point, then most likely they didn't. There's no reason to lie about it :shrug:

:rolleyes: How ambiguous. Do you really expect me to believe that Justine didn't start hitting balls until September?

She never even saw Wozniacki play G1, she didn't want anything to do with tennis until after Federer won RG.

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 09:01 PM
Turn it around, what if Serena said she didn't pick up a tennis racquet until September? Stated very openly that she didn't watch any tennis or experience any tennis, minus one time when she played with friends. I'm sure you wouldn't take too kindly to some Serena hater making similar comments, because it would seem relatively factual to you?

I think if a player says they didn't train until a certain point, then most likely they didn't. There's no reason to lie about it :shrug:



She never even saw Wozniacki play G1, she didn't want anything to do with tennis until after Federer won RG.

Like I said, everyone's entitled to their opinion. :shrug: The only time I have a problem with Serena haters is when they start lying on Serena and making it as though their lies were facts.

I don't take everything Serena or any player says as gospel truth because I know they play mind games with each other, with the media and with fans.

AcesHigh
Feb 5th, 2010, 09:03 PM
AcesHigh, I concede that Henin 2.0 is taking the ball earlier (shortening her backswing) and being more aggressive on the service return in hopes of gaining early court position to attack the net. All good strategies for Wimbledon. However, the redacted service motion she acquired in 2007 still hasn't culminated into a higher serve percentage, her double faults continue to be bothersome and the limiting of her forehand backswing hasn't improved her forehand errors. The latter three I would not consider a significant movement from Henin 1.0.

The most aggressively I saw Henin play in a tennis match was during the 2006 Wimbledon Finals. Both her and Mauresmo's play brought back memories of Wimbledon's past.

It appears what she's attempting to gain in aggression, she's giving up in her ability to thoughtfully move her opponents around the court which was a great advantage to her clay court prowess. I think this point is very debatable.

Having completely overanalyzed Henin's game, I agree that it will take more match play for her service game to improve and to become more comfortable rushing the net consistently. I think it was a bold move on her part to return with a different mindset and goal of winning Wimbledon.

I agree... I think we're all overanalyzing a bit as well. We've only seen.. 12-13 matches so far?
I doubt we'll see Justine this aggressive on clay, although with today's field I don't think it would take Henin at her best and most strategic to win that title.

It will be interesting to see how she does after this time to reflect and work on parts of her game. I'm sure Justine and Carlos are going straight back to work. A finals loss might have been the best motivation for both of them. It showed she was still capable at competing at the highest level while still letting her know she still has a lot to work on.

Arnian
Feb 5th, 2010, 09:04 PM
Like I said, everyone's entitled to their opinion. :shrug: The only time I have a problem with Serena haters is when they start lying on Serena and making it as though their lies were facts.

I don't take everything Serena or any player says as gospel truth because I know they play mind games with each other, with the media and with fans.

This is true in many ways ;)

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 5th, 2010, 09:05 PM
I agree... I think we're all overanalyzing a bit as well. We've only seen.. 12-13 matches so far?
I doubt we'll see Justine this aggressive on clay, although with today's field I don't think it would take Henin at her best and most strategic to win that title.

It will be interesting to see how she does after this time to reflect and work on parts of her game. I'm sure Justine and Carlos are going straight back to work. A finals loss might have been the best motivation for both of them. It showed she was still capable at competing at the highest level while still letting her know she still has a lot to work on.
Noted! :devil:

Denise4925
Feb 5th, 2010, 09:06 PM
Noted! :devil:

I noted it as well. :lol: Whole lotta big talk going around about RG. It will be interesting.