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Dunlop1
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:32 PM
First three set GS final since Wimbledon 2006.
Great display of tennis. Serving, Net play, variety, aggression off the serve and great fighting.

The rest of the women have been put on notice.
Hopefully the veterans can raise the level of the tour before they finally call it quits.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:36 PM
The rest of the women have been put on notice.


Uhuh. At this moment, only Venus and Kim comes close to both Serena and Justine. The others.... lets just say the width is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

moby
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:38 PM
I wish people would stop mentioning Venus because of her past pedigree and because she's Serena's sister, because she's only a real factor 2 weeks of the year.

Volcana
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:58 PM
I wish people would stop mentioning Venus because of her past pedigree and because she's Serena's sister, because she's only a real factor 2 weeks of the year.2009 - Won Dubai, made YEC final; 2008 won Zuich and YEC; Ended 2007-9 raned in top eight. And oh yeah, those 'two weeks'.

Wish whatever you want. How many players had a better last three years than Venus? Eight tournament wins including two slams, and a YEC, finishing in the top eight every year? Two? Maybe Three? Serena, Henin and who?

homogenius
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:00 PM
mmmm not really

moby
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:03 PM
2009 - Won Dubai, made YEC final; 2008 won Zuich and YEC; Ended 2007-9 raned in top eight. And oh yeah, those 'two weeks'.

Wish whatever you want. How many players had a better last three years than Venus? Eight ournament wins inclusing two slams, and a YEC, finishing in he top eight every year? Two? Maybe Three?When did she win those two slams again? That's right - during those "two weeks".

And that's great honestly. Lots of people would dream to have that kind of hold on Wimbledon. Or any slam.

I admit Doha was impressive and I thought she might actually turn things around from there... but let's face it, Venus is awful in half of the tournaments that actually matter. (And worse, she really doesn't care.) She's competitive in the other half, but only in one of them is she a true contender. We can count on her for quality matches at the US Open as we can count on her to actually not win those matches.

mmmm not reallyI agree. The match wasn't that high quality. Lots of bad errors from both.

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:17 PM
The big story for the WTA tour is 2 Chinese girls making a slam SF.
Sony extended their contract as main sponsor for a year, but this is an important year for the tour to show they can expand into China, which is becoming a major world financial power.

On the court it was big tournament for the 2 finalists,
and for Li who beat Venus and Caro. And Nadia, who beat 2 slam holders.
But Li and Nadia aren't known for the mental toughness to win majors.

Ferg
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:19 PM
:lol:

The entire situation is funny. Justine fans calling the tour saved only because of her comeback... Yeah right.

The Witch-king
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:23 PM
I wish people would stop mentioning Venus because of her past pedigree and because she's Serena's sister, because she's only a real factor 2 weeks of the year.

the same applies to kim. She "only" wins at the us open. And i put only in invested commas because apparently winning multiple slams, getting to finals is some easy task.

Vlover
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:24 PM
And that's great honestly. Lots of people would dream to have that kind of hold on Wimbledon.
Including Justine.:rolleyes: Those two weeks will be just as important for Justine as well as Venus.;)

Craig.
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:25 PM
I wish people would stop mentioning Venus because of her past pedigree and because she's Serena's sister, because she's only a real factor 2 weeks of the year.

This.

Pains me to say, but it really isn't the Williams anymore, it's all about Serena...

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:33 PM
Objective look at AO top players

2 finalists are the 2 best players.

Venus, Sharapova, Kim, Sveta. It really wasn't a good event for the other multiple slam winners on the tour

Viktymise
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:34 PM
In my eyes the WTA may have a few of its stars back but the game still seems like something of a cheap imitation compared to what it used to be, even this time 2 years ago.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:37 PM
Uhuh. At this moment, only Venus and Kim comes close to both Serena and Justine. The others.... lets just say the width is as wide as the Grand Canyon.
There are others. Perennial bride's maid, ED. Kuz' on a good day. They can push the top.

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:37 PM
It also wasn't a good tournament for former #1's Safina, Jankovic and Ivanovic.

The tour is still a mess, with a lot of the best players way off their best form.

If Serena, Justine, Venus, Maria, Kim, Sveta, Elena, Ana, Dinara, Jelena, Caro, Vera, Vika
if most of them were in form, there would be a lot of depth

Olórin
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:38 PM
This.

Pains me to say, but it really isn't the Williams anymore, it's all about Serena...

Tell that to Serena :shrug:
She is the one that has had to go through Venus to win two out of her last three titles. And in those instances she was forced to put on some of the best serving displays of her life to do so. Also, their RR at the YEC was more competitive than the final today and Serena played better in it for the most part.

People overstate things - Venus may have some issues actually finishing the deal these days, in terms of getting the win, but we shall have to see how well other newly returned players cope this year in terms of living up to expectations over the course of the season.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:54 PM
The A big story for the WTA tour is 2 Chinese girls making a slam SF.
Sony extended their contract as main sponsor for a year, but this is an important year for the tour to show they can expand into China, which is becoming a major world financial power.

On the court it was big tournament for the 2 finalists,
and for Li who beat Venus and Caro. And Nadia, who beat 2 slam holders.
But Li and Nadia aren't known for the mental toughness to win majors.

Corrected ;)

I think if Zheng had made a bigger showing, it would have mattered more. The Chinese are pretty aware of the fact that Li can push Serena. She's done it before. But in principle, I agree. China is extremely important, for good or for ill, to the WTA.

StephenUK
Jan 30th, 2010, 07:10 PM
I think those people making the comments about China have missed the point.

Women's tennis is back because the two best players of the decade faced each other in an exciting final, rather than some B-team players for a change. If there are more rematches in other finals this year, then tennis will definitely come out of the doldrums of 2009.

Li and Zheng did very well but I very much doubt that this Chinese double will be repeated for some years, given the fact that a)neither of these players generally get to this stage of a slam and b) there does not seem to be much of a new wave of Chinese talent coming up. At the end of the day, you can't prescribe what countries the best players are from - look at Sania Mirza, she has millions of fans but it hasn't translated into results. I find this attitude rather arrogant, it used to be wheeled out regularly how important it was to have Americans at the top of tennis - are players from small countries supposed to lose to them for the good of the game? I think it is much more important to have charismatic great champions, it doesn't matter where they come from. Serena and Maria hit that button, whilst Justine is a tennis aficionado's dream.

friendsita
Jan 30th, 2010, 07:15 PM
great match!
welcome back Juju!
Ree = GOAT

goldenlox
Jan 30th, 2010, 07:22 PM
The sponsorship of the tour is much more important than having 1 good final.
We can easily have a 62 62 FO final.
Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Midnight_Robber
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:17 PM
Both Moby and Serena~lover make very good points and I'm actually unsure of who I agree with more. Some days I think like Moby (Venus is an indifferent journeywoman, and not much of a factor) - but other days, I see it more the way that Serena~lover does. :shrug:

Anyway, it was much better than last years final but it was still too patchy from both for me to call it a great or even very good match. I've seen both Justine and Serena play much better than that and I really did think that Justine's hot and cold play, and inconsistent really affected the overall quality of the match. (Serena was more solid, but again not at her bets.) But I've been saying this since Brisbane - moments and stretches of great play doesn't mean that I turn a blind eye to the considerable junk in between those stretches.

My preferred player won last night, but as for women's tennis being "back?" Not yet. A few years ago the top players would routinely hit 20 - 25 winners across two sets - and marginally less errors, while DFs were more controlled.(And I'm talking about about a group of top players, not just one player.) They played well for the whole match. And they were hitting with consistent depth, and lots of power/pace and the shot-making was more daring than a lot of what I saw at the AO this year.

I also noticed that a lot of players were playing the ball short quite often - even Justine and Serena. Don't know if the surface was in part responsible but, it was very visible. The tournament had it's moments but the level of the tennis still has a way to go.

Serena was easily the most consistent player at this AO, just as she at the slams last year. I don't think things are nearly as different as people would like to think... especially seeing that most of the other top players crashed out.

Still there are signs. Two elite players holding down the fort, Zheng and Li making the semis, Kirilenko turning her game around, Bondarenko and Vera doing better than they have in a while, Wickmayer and Azarenka making moves, Kleybanova putting on a good display... promising stuff perhaps. But we're not there yet.

fammmmedspin
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:50 PM
Not sure we moved anywhere. Serena can still win playing good tennis only when she absolutely needs to. Kim seems to be having strange fade aways. Justine can't pull out a long match win. The Russians en masse are still afflicted by whatever they caught last year. Ana JJ and Maria are still not back . Last year's advancers went nowhere. True we have some more people who could make a SF but thats not neccessarily a good thing - it may just make it more difficult for anyone else to move up a level . It looks like we have a number one who doesn't play very often, a competition for best Belgian number as number 2 where the odd lapse intervenes and 17+ players who might make anywhere in the top 10 but not a GS winner's podium. Whats really strange is that this situation doesn't evolve - no one else can get to the top , stay there and play like it and even Serena can't do it and play that much.

bandabou
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:04 PM
Not sure we moved anywhere. Serena can still win playing good tennis only when she absolutely needs to. Kim seems to be having strange fade aways. Justine can't pull out a long match win. The Russians en masse are still afflicted by whatever they caught last year. Ana JJ and Maria are still not back . Last year's advancers went nowhere. True we have some more people who could make a SF but thats not neccessarily a good thing - it may just make it more difficult for anyone else to move up a level . It looks like we have a number one who doesn't play very often, a competition for best Belgian number as number 2 where the odd lapse intervenes and 17+ players who might make anywhere in the top 10 but not a GS winner's podium. Whats really strange is that this situation doesn't evolve - no one else can get to the top , stay there and play like it and even Serena can't do it and play that much.

Interesting...the ideal no.1 is Serena because she ALWAYS brings it at the majors, but she just doesn't play enough..and that gives other players shot at becoming no.1 only to go look bad against Serena. :lol: Serena, it's all your fault!

Protoss
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:09 PM
There have been 14 different semifinalists over the last 5 slams.

Serena has made it to the semis or better in 4 of them, Dementieva 2 of them, and Safina 2 of them. Everybody else only made it to 1 semifinal or better out of the last 5 slams.

mboyle
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:28 PM
The tour needs Sharapova to be at her peak. Yes, even at her peak she isn't quite as good as Serena/Juju, but at least she can beat them sometimes and challenge them the rest of the time. And she's a highly marketable commodity. Unfortunately, I'm not sure she'll ever get back to peak form, and that's coming from one of her biggest fans. :sad:

Kim is also important for the tour's revitalization. And Venus is playing decently guys!

Potato
Jan 31st, 2010, 12:00 AM
Yes, it's getting back on track with the Belgians and Serena. I also think that if Li Na plays like she did in that semi and tones down the unforced error, she'll be a serious threat along with Vika.

Venus hasn't been a serious contenders for GS for a while now. :(

Corswandt
Feb 1st, 2010, 12:10 AM
It also wasn't a good tournament for former #1's Safina, Jankovic and Ivanovic.

The tour is still a mess, with a lot of the best players way off their best form.

Agreed.

The return of the Belgians has has a positive effect, but it hasn't made the Tour improve from the nadir of 2009 - it has simply prevented it from getting even worse.

The top players of the Void Era are all or nearly all either slumping badly - Safina, Jankovic - or had bad AOs - Dementieva, to a lesser extent Zvonareva. Kuznetsova can never be expected to perform at a consistently high level for more than a couple of tournaments in each season.

The younger players of the last age group to win big, Ivanovic and Sharapova, are out of contention for big titles, Sharapova possibly definitively. Generation Suck continues to suck - relentlessly. The casualty rate amoung young players was very heavy; the first players from Generation Suck to break through - Karatantcheva, Golovin, Vaidisova, Krajicek - are all gone, the last two true supernovas - Paszek and Micaela Carolina - are going nowhere, and recently Wickmayer's career was very near to being completely derailed.

The Belgians filled a void they had created themselves with their premature retirements, but it seems another, even bigger one, opened up right away.

A full half of the draw fell completely apart just like it did at last year's USO, but fortunately this time Henin was there to come through. The players who have stepped up to fill the empty slots were not young hopefuls but seasoned veterans like the Golden Flowers or Schiavone, who actually haven't improved their games all that much - to an extent following the example set by Pennetta last season. And it does make some sense - in a Tour in which everyone is mediocre nobody is outstandingly good, experience will tend to become a crucial factor.

This being said, the AO final was just what women's tennis needed. I see where the people who claim the overall quality of the match was low are coming from - but it went to three sets (finally!), was well contested, and it featured gutsy, high quality play from both finalists in the decisive moments of a high stakes match - something you just don't see from Generation Suck or from most Void Era top players, to the extent that I had almost forgotten it could be done.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Feb 1st, 2010, 12:44 AM
In two more months The Woz will be number 2 of the world

Yes, tennis is SO back

gmokb
Feb 1st, 2010, 01:18 AM
If the tour is so terrible why do so many of you still watch?:confused:

miffedmax
Feb 1st, 2010, 01:24 AM
This is like a morphine drip for a sick patient. It feels nice, but it doesn't address any of the real problems affecting the tour.
A lack of compelling emerging stars, scheduling that makes no sense, screwy rankings, looming sponsorship issues, etc. etc.

There is a lot of work to be done, a lot of which has nothing to do with who is or isn't playing.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 1st, 2010, 01:25 AM
:lol: @ the OP :lol:

changed your tune since that day in the livescoring thread where you thought serena winning was akin to the devil winning