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mdterp01
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:24 PM
What say you?

I say yes. After Clijsters coming back and defeating Serena, here is Justine in only her second tournament back with even more on the line because it was a major final. I think this was the most significant victory for Serena coming off the US Open debacle. She made a pretty big statement here and shut up a lot of the doubters.

2007 is a very close second. As a matter of fact I think they are almost equally important for different reasons.

Optima
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:24 PM
Nope. 2007 AO Final.

BlameSerena
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:29 PM
No. I would put AO 07 and AO 03 and FO 02 ahead of this victory. This was meaningful but it's not as meaningful as those I mentioned imo.

The Witch-king
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:31 PM
Ao 07, 05, RG 02 and USO 99 and 08 moreso.

Olórin
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:34 PM
An important match for sure - but most meaningful or defining?

Winning the US Open against Hingis, the Serena Slam in Australia against Venus, AO 07 were all more career defining imo.

Thanx4nothin
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:35 PM
What say you?

I say yes. After Clijsters coming back and defeating Serena, here is Justine in only her second tournament back with even more on the line because it was a major final. I think this was the most significant victory for Serena coming off the US Open debacle. She made a pretty big statement here and shut up a lot of the doubters.

2007 is a very close second. As a matter of fact I think they are almost equally important for different reasons.

Excellent post (as usual ;)) and good point. One I admit I hadn't even thought of.

AO03 = AO07 = AO10

And, like you say, all for entirely different reasons.

AO03 - The significance of this win goes without saying. Serena Slam Completed, place in the history books etched :worship:

AO07 - Who gave her a chance in the media? Not many. She showed that she was and is the most determined and talented female tennis player on the planet (all due respect to the other ladies, esp. Venus and Justine)by some margin! :hearts:

AO10 - This match was probably more important to 'Real' women's tennis fans, who have followed the tour avidly for years and know these two players to be, along with Venus an equal second with Henin, the best players of their generation. Serena losing a second slam in a row to a returning Belgian, would have just infuriated her I sense, plus, she shut up the media about her Little US Open incident :wavey: (I hope because frankly I'm bored of it).

So yes, it's hard for me to put this down as anything other than no.1, Victory at the Aussie was sweet against Dinara, for so many reasons, but knowing she did it against a player noone can undermine, makes it all the sweeter. Her bitterest rival, dispatched (albeit with a fight :drool:) on the biggest stage in tennis! She must feel good about this one.

I know Serena Fans do! :angel:

RYNJ
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:38 PM
I would say no and yes LOL! Important in a sense that she shut the haters up, on who is the best player of her generation and no player better to do that against than henin.

But I do think her A.O. '07 was the best because she had a horrible 2006 and was written out by everyone and performed some of the best tennis i have ever seen a women do against a player who had recently won the previous GS.

Dave.
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:47 PM
AO 2003 will probably always be the most meaningful for obvious reasons.

Then there's US 1999 her first.

AO 2007 with the dedication to Yetunde and coming back from an almost non-existent 2006 season.

US Open 2008 IMO is right up there too as it got her back the no.1 ranking for the first time in 5 years and was the start of this latest run of 4/6 slams won.


There's so many to choose from though, 12!! :speakles:
Wasn't THAT long ago when she was still on 8. :lol:

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:04 PM
no one doubts serena anymore. but she will continue to amaze. I do think this was a meaningful major just because of the us open tirade. the most meaningful was the ao 07.

dsanders06
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:05 PM
AO07 is the most meaningful because it sums up her career trademark: her mental toughness.

VishaalMaria
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:07 PM
It meant so much to Serena that she played lights out tennis.

Even in this final, Serena only went up to 60% whereas her final against Maria in 2007 was just devastating. This one was kinda lame.

Lucemferre
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:08 PM
Very meaningful but not the most.Serena Slam is her greatest achievement.

trufanjay
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:10 PM
I think the fans are making it that way just because of Justine. Serena had the Serena slam, and her comeback win which was dedicated to Yetunde. So no, this was not the most significant.

azinna
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:10 PM
Not even close. Given where she was mentally AO '07 was key.

homogenius
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:11 PM
no.AO 07

Volcana
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:32 PM
If I step back, I can't put this any better than #5. Here's why. Serena was seeded #1, defending champ here and at Wimbledon. She's far and away the best player of this generation, and still at the top of her game. She was SUPPOSED to win this title, injuries or no.

Then add to that the fact that she face only ONE top ten player to win the title.

More important singles slams -

US 1999 - The first one is always important
RG 2002 - Because it was so long since the first
OZ 2003 - Completed 'Serena Slam'
OZ 2005 - After the long injury lay-off, could she regain her form
OZ 2007 - No titles in 2006.

This would have been an exceptional tournament if Serena DIDN'T win it. But in winning, all she's done is continue a streak of really good tennis at slams.

WB '08 - Final
US '08 - Win
OZ '09 - Win
RG '09 - QF
WB '09 - Win
US '09 - SF
OZ '10 - Win

maddogz48
Jan 30th, 2010, 08:31 PM
Aussie 07 was just incredible.
The way she handled Sharapova in the finals was AMAZING.

mdterp01
Jan 30th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Ok I can see why most think AO '07 and really thinking about it...I would now agree. Perhaps maybe too much is being looked at it because it was Justine. I just feel that had Serena lost to another Belgian who had just come back onto the scene (especially Justine who had been back even a shorter amount of time) couple with the US Open debacle that the ramifications could have been very detrimental long term. But people make good points and from the results of the poll, most think no.

Marshmallow
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:02 PM
No, but I think you're right to highlight the pressures Serena was facing in this final. Serena was under real pressure, so how she managed to maintain her composure, and play patient smart tennis is even more impressive.

I expect future wins over her opponent from today to be more emphatic. She can play better than she did today.

danieln1
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:04 PM
Big no

Her win against Venus at the final in 2003 was the most significant for her, since she completed the 'Serena Slam'...

And in 2007 when she overcame emotional issues also was way more important than today...

Today she was just the favorite and expected to win, and she didn´t even cry, as she did on those previous ones...

CJ07
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:06 PM
I think Wimbledon 2002 was also pretty significant

bandabou
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:07 PM
'07 oz open..return from the abyss. not many can do that. She went down down down and then rose again. True champ.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:11 PM
I say no, but this definitely feels like a kind of watershed moment, and I'm not even sure why yet. :confused:

Anyway, I think '99 will always be the most meaningful.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:15 PM
Ok I can see why most think AO '07 and really thinking about it...I would now agree. Perhaps maybe too much is being looked at it because it was Justine. I just feel that had Serena lost to another Belgian who had just come back onto the scene (especially Justine who had been back even a shorter amount of time) couple with the US Open debacle that the ramifications could have been very detrimental long term. But people make good points and from the results of the poll, most think no.
Agreed, from a "legacy" point of view.

This win is a kind of asterisk prevention. It minimizes those who can say, "Serena was great, BUT the Belgians..., blah, blah, blah..."

spartanfan
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:27 PM
rg02

young_gunner913
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:31 PM
As lots of people have said, I think its the 2007 AO.

Out of shape. Over the hill. Will never win again. Passed her peak. Not seeded.
We heard so much shit talked about her until she fought match by match to the final.
Then in the final, it was an awe inspiring performence that silenced EVERYONE. :worship:

Volcana
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:43 PM
Given that Serena mentioned that tying BJK was a persona goal, this one does take on added significance. The next big goal a a singles layer s a looooong way off. Tying Nav and Evert. I could see Serena getting to15 slam singles titles. Three in the next two years woudn't be surprising. But six more .....

Sund7101
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:09 PM
I think it is significant because she tied BJK and it was the first major she was able to defend since Wimbledon '03. I think this has set the tone for the rest of the year. Perhaps a SLAM in '10?

Helen Lawson
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:38 AM
2002 French-the slam they said neither sister could win, gets rid of one-slam wonder label, beats Venus at a major, all that turned it around for her, that was her most important win in the big picture!

Rollo
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:16 AM
If she ends up with only 1 French I would rate that as the most meaningful, as it "completes" her resume.

This slam puts to rest any doubts about Serena as best of her generation. She's left Henin and Venus in the dust overall even if one can argue Venus is best of her era on grass and Henin best of her era on clay.

It's full steam ahead to grab more majors, and who knows how many she'll end up with?

dscho99
Jan 31st, 2010, 06:46 AM
What say you?

I say yes. After Clijsters coming back and defeating Serena, here is Justine in only her second tournament back with even more on the line because it was a major final. I think this was the most significant victory for Serena coming off the US Open debacle. She made a pretty big statement here and shut up a lot of the doubters.

2007 is a very close second. As a matter of fact I think they are almost equally important for different reasons.


I agree.
Had Serena lost to come-back Henin her status as greatest player of her generation would have been in doubt.

kiwifan
Jan 31st, 2010, 08:48 AM
Any one of the 4 that make up the Serena Slam; her beat down of Pova; her first Slam win; her first Wimbledon...those would all be a bigger deal than this win.

Justine, while a fine tennis player (especially on Clay), isn't that big a deal in the Serena Universe...just because her fans use selective stats to suggest otherwise, the reality is that "Serena playing her best" is the number one factor in determining the outcome of her matches...regardless of the opponent. ;)

kiwifan
Jan 31st, 2010, 08:58 AM
I just feel that had Serena lost to another Belgian who had just come back onto the scene (especially Justine who had been back even a shorter amount of time) couple with the US Open debacle that the ramifications could have been very detrimental long term. But people make good points and from the results of the poll, most think no.I don't see why people think that would have been such a big deal? :shrug: Serena has lost to Henin before and she's beat her before...
...Serena bagelled Henin right before her retirement so I don't see why people ever acted like Serena was scared of Henin...the only place Henin is a real road block is at the French Open; but then so are a dozen other players. :lol:

esquímaux
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:09 AM
Wow, Serena never ceases to amaze me, lol!!!!

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:26 AM
hmm nah i'd say RG 02 actually...because that's where the monkey finally re-got off her back lol...won the us open 99 and had some brain farts afterwards until that one slam...

after that i'd rank AO 03, 05 and 07....03 for obvious reasons, 05 because after losing twice to maria in big matches and being written off, and 07 because CLEARLY she had been written off

USO 08 - you could see how nervous she got throughout all the slams even though she was clearly a whole lot fitter than in 07 and the slams still hadn't come...i think wimbledon 08 changed her (made her angry) and since then she's won 3/5

Caralenko
Jan 31st, 2010, 09:32 AM
AO 07, and it's not even close :lol:

Renalicious
Jan 31st, 2010, 11:00 AM
Definitely signficant but Australian Open 2007 will forever be my favorite slam...it was almost unreal, that final.

This was important and amazing because of her quarterfinal match, and the fact that we had all these great players coming back and threatening Serena, but Serena proved that she was still queen of the court. :worship: