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brickhousesupporter
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:02 PM
Serena played more than twice the amount of tennis Justine did, and it was Justine that looked tired. Fitness is not dependant on how skinny you appear......

Imagine if Justine also played doubles, she would not be half the player she is today.

Thanx4nothin
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:06 PM
I don't think either looked tired. Serena's movement was questionable at times, I'm really surprised Justine didn't press her into the backhand corner, seemed like Serena didn't want to put a lot of weight on that strained thigh...

Point taken though. People who say Serena is 'unfit' are just insane. Last time I remember Serena flat out losing a match due to fitness, was off the top of my head, the match against Mauresmo in the 4th round US open 2006....possibly fitness was an issue (I know movement was) against Henin the following year at the US OPEN. Even then, people could argue that.

Serena is fit as a fiddle, minus the injuries. In sweltering heat like at the AO, you don't win 5 titles, unless you have the fitness.

jefrilibra
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:07 PM
Serena played the most tennis in the last 3 weeks and won 2 GS titles.

That is really phenomenal!

Btw I still believe she's not 100% fit!

edificio
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:09 PM
Justine's stamina is not quite there after only two tourneys.

Serena is definitely in good shape, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have an ache or two.

mdterp01
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:21 PM
Thats just hater talk. Serena could still benefit from toning up her legs more but she still did the damn thing

bandabou
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:23 PM
She won and that's all that matters. And the Steffica's and LDV's of the world, can cry us a river.

tennisbum79
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:26 PM
Frankly, playing every day took a toll on her and it started showing in Azarenka match.
It got worse in Na Li match and the double final.

So just because she won, does not mean fitness is overrated.

Szavay #1
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:26 PM
Serena played more than twice the amount of tennis Justine did, and it was Justine that looked tired. Fitness is not dependant on how skinny you appear......

Imagine if Justine also played doubles, she would not be half the player she is today.

i don't agree. juju didn't look tired at all. a lil nervous at times but not tired. juju doesn't play dbls much cause she's vulnerable to injuries and that goes back to her jr days. serena was too good in the third set but juju did have her chances.

brickhousesupporter
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:31 PM
i don't agree. juju didn't look tired at all. a lil nervous at times but not tired. juju doesn't play dbls much cause she's vulnerable to injuries and that goes back to her jr days. serena was too good in the third set but juju did have her chances.
Who is more susceptable to injuries than Serena Willaims. However, she goes out there and takes her licks and more often than not she is succesful. Justine does not play doubles because her fitness in later rounds of tournaments would be compromised.

dscho99
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:32 PM
Serena played more than twice the amount of tennis Justine did, and it was Justine that looked tired. Fitness is not dependant on how skinny you appear......

Imagine if Justine also played doubles, she would not be half the player she is today.


Justine's training days are more intense than some doubles hit & giggle.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:33 PM
Serena played more than twice the amount of tennis Justine did, and it was Justine that looked tired. Fitness is not dependant on how skinny you appear......

Imagine if Justine also played doubles, she would not be half the player she is today.

This is ABSOLUTELY correct.

Serena is in better cardiovascular shape than Juju. You could see it in the third. It was clear as day.

This should be a lesson for Steffica Gereles, too.

Mateo Mathieu
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:40 PM
It's her only second tournament ;)

Golovinjured.
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:42 PM
Did someone say Serena was unfit?

Dave.
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:49 PM
ITA with the OP. :worship:

Some people in the results thread were saying Serena was even more tired than Henin because of the doubles but that's not what I saw. I think Serena could have played all day if she had to, she's in such amazing shape. So great to see. :worship:


To be fair though, Justine does have that blood virus which is why it would just be impossible for her to play doubles. I think her fitness is fine.

youizahoe
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Sestaminarena? ajde

jefrilibra
Jan 30th, 2010, 01:38 PM
Q. Can you reveal a little bit more about the strapping, what was involved there, what you were protecting?

SERENA WILLIAMS: Well, I had ‑‑ well, where do I start? How much time do we have? I pulled a hamstring in Sydney, so I was devastated by that. However, when I strapped it, it felt a lot better.

And then something happened to the side of my leg in Sydney. And then when I strapped it, it didn't feel better, but it helped a little bit. And, of course, I tape my ankles for prevention.

I think in the third round I twisted my ankle, and I fell against Victoria Azarenka and hurt my wrist. And then somewhere in between there my toes started hurting, so, yeah.

Q. How nervous were you coming in then if you already know you're traveling with an injury?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I was okay with it because I felt like, you know, if I'm healthy, then I have a good chance. I felt like I'm moving well. Even though I had all the strappings on me, I felt like I was moving well. Honestly, I felt like the strappings helped me.

It helped me to be able to move better and do what I can do at a normal level.

:)!

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 30th, 2010, 01:44 PM
ITA with the OP. :worship:

Some people in the results thread were saying Serena was even more tired than Henin because of the doubles but that's not what I saw. I think Serena could have played all day if she had to, she's in such amazing shape. So great to see. :worship:


To be fair though, Justine does have that blood virus which is why it would just be impossible for her to play doubles. I think her fitness is fine.

:lol: serena probably wasn't more tired...but it's silly to say jh had nothing left in the tank when she played far less than serena who had to play 2+ hours on court since that doubles match :lol: serena was definitely showing fatigue but she played smartly...won the 1st set, realised the 2nd set was coming to an end because she missed her chances, and just went for the 3rd...plus serena was clearly ailing with that leg so the whole "jh was so tired" yada yada would only work if serena was ever so fresh and springy and moving about the court without a care in the world

Slamniacki
Jan 30th, 2010, 01:48 PM
Serena was less tired because she is on juice.

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com/

Smoothstuff
Jan 30th, 2010, 01:55 PM
Serena was less tired because she is on juice.

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com/

:spit: Whenever I'm bored on the Internet I visit that site
It's hilarious :lol:

Matt01
Jan 30th, 2010, 01:55 PM
Serena played more than twice the amount of tennis Justine did, and it was Justine that looked tired. Fitness is not dependant on how skinny you appear......


Are you kiding me? :rolleyes:

Serena hardly had to play in the first week at all because she steamrolled her opponents whereas Justine had several long, energy-consuming matches. And besides, doubles is clearly not as exhausting as plaing singles.

Dave.
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:02 PM
:lol: serena probably wasn't more tired...but it's silly to say jh had nothing left in the tank when she played far less than serena who had to play 2+ hours on court since that doubles match :lol: serena was definitely showing fatigue but she played smartly...won the 1st set, realised the 2nd set was coming to an end because she missed her chances, and just went for the 3rd...plus serena was clearly ailing with that leg so the whole "jh was so tired" yada yada would only work if serena was ever so fresh and springy and moving about the court without a care in the world

You're looking for things that aren't there. I was simply observing Henin got tired towards the end of it and as the season goes on should be able to last longer. It wasn't an excuse, I wasn't looking for it to "work" and there was no reference to Serena.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:09 PM
It's basically down to stamina.

Justine just came back, and obviously from the final, she is about 50-60% only.

Wait 2-3 months, and when she gets enough matches under her belt, she will be 100%, and in time for FO.. .maybe even a sniff at the elusive Wimbledon? ;)

petesz
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:24 PM
Don't know why people still talk about this type of shit after Serena won. What do you want to justify? Serena won not because she was almost twice the size of most of the girls on tour? Serena won not because she was born more muscular than all the other girls on tour? Serena can still beat the shit of all other girls after she played three times more tennis that they do?
If you just want to hear "yes" to get high, ok, yes, r u high now?

Serena played more than twice the amount of tennis Justine did, and it was Justine that looked tired. Fitness is not dependant on how skinny you appear......

Imagine if Justine also played doubles, she would not be half the player she is today.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:27 PM
serena was born more muscular :unsure: are babies born muscular?

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:28 PM
You're looking for things that aren't there. I was simply observing Henin got tired towards the end of it and as the season goes on should be able to last longer. It wasn't an excuse, I wasn't looking for it to "work" and there was no reference to Serena.

I'm sorry then...I thought when you put the name "serena" in your original post, that you were referencing the same serena that played in the finals...my mistake

mdterp01
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:41 PM
Don't know why people still talk about this type of shit after Serena won. What do you want to justify? Serena won not because she was almost twice the size of most of the girls on tour? Serena won not because she was born more muscular than all the other girls on tour? Serena can still beat the shit of all other girls after she played three times more tennis that they do?
If you just want to hear "yes" to get high, ok, yes, r u high now?

THIS :worship:

DefyingGravity
Jan 30th, 2010, 03:31 PM
Serena showed a lot of mental stamina, which I find is more important in these longer tournaments. Mental stamina is more deadly than physical stamina. It can sometimes bleed into the physical aspect of it. I remember I made the finals of a clay court tournament after playing 4 LONG matches in 2 days in hot Florida, and the Sunday when I came for the final, I physically felt fine, but my mind was so tired.

I think that she has trained herself to be so mentally strong and mentally fit, that the physical side can just pick itself up when she's concentrating.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jan 30th, 2010, 03:39 PM
Baby you get some adrenaline, determination and somebody across the court you can half damn stand ...!?!?! *joke* LOL You would be very suprised how far it would get you......

serenafan08
Jan 30th, 2010, 03:44 PM
Seriously, let's give Justine some credit. This is her SECOND tournament - just the second and she's made two finals! That by itself is impressive, win or lose. I think she was "tired" because the rigor of a two week Grand Slam caught up to her. Grand Slams are a different animal; much more mental than physical. I thought she played well regardless, and certainly had a chance to come off the court with a win. But Serena deserves credit too because she wasn't feeling 100% physically and still won both singles and doubles. To me it doesn't appear that she's going anywhere; she might play well into her 30s.

ChriS.
Jan 30th, 2010, 03:56 PM
I don't think either looked tired. Serena's movement was questionable at times, I'm really surprised Justine didn't press her into the backhand corner, seemed like Serena didn't want to put a lot of weight on that strained thigh...

Point taken though. People who say Serena is 'unfit' are just insane. Last time I remember Serena flat out losing a match due to fitness, was off the top of my head, the match against Mauresmo in the 4th round US open 2006....possibly fitness was an issue (I know movement was) against Henin the following year at the US OPEN. Even then, people could argue that.

Serena is fit as a fiddle, minus the injuries. In sweltering heat like at the AO, you don't win 5 titles, unless you have the fitness.Did you watch the match against Na? Na had her running from side to side and she was really struggling to get her breath so she was slowing the game down but Na was not affected.

DemWilliamsGulls
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:01 PM
Seriously, let's give Justine some credit. This is her SECOND tournament - just the second and she's made two finals! That by itself is impressive, win or lose. I think she was "tired" because the rigor of a two week Grand Slam caught up to her. Grand Slams are a different animal; much more mental than physical. I thought she played well regardless, and certainly had a chance to come off the court with a win. But Serena deserves credit too because she wasn't feeling 100% physically and still won both singles and doubles. To me it doesn't appear that she's going anywhere; she might play well into her 30s.

You know what ...I cant even hate...Justine and Kim came back from retirement and played well man....not too many girls I know can do that...matter of fact they are the only twio that I know that were able to do that...so yeah..give props where props are due.....

Wannabeknowitall
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:04 PM
serena was born more muscular :unsure: are babies born muscular?

There is a genetic ability to retain muscles just as some people have genetic ability to retain water or fat.

And for those who think, Serena needs to get more toned, look at how that worked out for Nadal.
His muscles are one of the biggest issues with his body now.

She's just a big girl like me. :tape:

BlameSerena
Jan 30th, 2010, 04:36 PM
I actually do think Serena seemed a little fatigued. It doesn't matter though because she fought past her personal issues and Justine for number 12.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 30th, 2010, 08:18 PM
I actually do think Serena seemed a little fatigued. It doesn't matter though because she fought past her personal issues and Justine for number 12.
She was certainly fatigued, but this idea of her being "unfit" has been thoroughly dispelled.

luv_vandsfan
Jan 30th, 2010, 08:20 PM
thank you. Ive been sayng this all day. Nobody can beat Serena even when she's only half healthy. That's sad

SerenaSlam
Jan 30th, 2010, 09:41 PM
i think the point that is trying to be made is on a consistent basis serena is playing in the singles and doubles. and she often wins both. so by the end of a tournament serena is usually the one with the most matches in and she is still coming out with the win. my question is, who is the next best number 1 in the world that is going to be winning slams in singles and doubles on a consistent basis. this is serena's 3rd time in the last year that she has won the singles and doubles of the same slam. incredible.

Larrybidd
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:12 PM
I actually do think Serena seemed a little fatigued. It doesn't matter though because she fought past her personal issues and Justine for number 12.

Serena was gassed and admitted as much afterward with Pam. Serena not only is a better player than Henin, she is also smarter. Why Henin thought that a hyper-aggressive strategy was called for against a a player that has been running on fumes since the QF's, is the mystery of the day? Henin was trying to jump all over Serena's second serves, when the proper play was to get the point started and make Serena run to earn points. Even those few times Juju was able to knock off a return winner was good for Serena because she didn't have to run, and had enough in the tank to make it to the finish line.

Juju, needs to understand her strenths and play to them. Her strenth is her ability to make the other players hit that extra ball. If she wants to play power tennis now she's making a huge mistake. Pam and Mary's commentary was right on point. In a battle of first strike tennis, Serena wins that battle 9 times out of 10.

NoChokes
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:52 PM
Serena looked injured at one point in the Azerenka game.

Oh wait, she always does that when there's a chance she might lose.

youizahoe
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:54 PM
Serena looked injured at one point in the Azerenka game.

Oh wait, she always does that when there's a chance she might lose.

But then again, she rarely loses bc of an injury :kiss:

NoChokes
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:24 PM
But then again, she rarely loses bc of an injury :kiss:

Haha. Ok. Sydney final?

Severe injury there it seemed. But didn't limp again until things were going badly against Vika.

youizahoe
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:35 PM
Haha. Ok. Sydney final?

Severe injury there it seemed. But didn't limp again until things were going badly against Vika.

I didn't see the final, so I have no idea.

janksta
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:36 PM
ITA with the OP. :worship:

Some people in the results thread were saying Serena was even more tired than Henin because of the doubles but that's not what I saw. I think Serena could have played all day if she had to, she's in such amazing shape. So great to see. :worship:


To be fair though, Justine does have that blood virus which is why it would just be impossible for her to play doubles. I think her fitness is fine.


also makes me wonder who would sign up to be Henin's partner?

Morrissey
Jan 31st, 2010, 01:02 AM
Some people are ignorant they think a black woman is supposed to have a Eurocentric body type by ignoring the differences between black and white women. Black women have a different shape and build than white women. Serena has a real woman's body she has breats, curves, and an ass. Serena is very fit she is just not an anorexic or a bean pole.

thegreendestiny
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:11 AM
Serena's bull-like stamina is IMHO her greatest asset. Her serve is great and all but to actually muster the power to play all those long matches is remarkable. Winning slams for more than 10 years is proof enough.

In fairness to Justine, for her to play like that given her petite size also deserves much respect.

ireneteri
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:15 AM
Serena played more than twice the amount of tennis Justine did, and it was Justine that looked tired. Fitness is not dependant on how skinny you appear......

Imagine if Justine also played doubles, she would not be half the player she is today.

serena is naturally strong, justine is a shrimp compare to her, get real:lol:

tennnisfannn
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:27 AM
It never ceases to amaze me, when serena wins, she is muscular, when she loses she is fat!

sorceress
Jan 31st, 2010, 05:29 AM
Serena is match fit and has the strongest mental state I have seen in tennis in general.
As it was, Serena didn't really get too tested as Justine didn't really hit her around the court and when she did she was successful.

Let's face it, Serena doesn't have to use heaps of fitness with her style of play, if she did it would take away from why she is the best in women's tennis, her strength.
I'm guessing she probably doesn't do as much aerobic as she does strength training and for her that's appropriate.

BlameSerena
Feb 3rd, 2010, 01:32 PM
She was certainly fatigued, but this idea of her being "unfit" has been thoroughly dispelled.
I agree. I was just saying she did look fatigued, but she is obviously fit or there's no way she would have lasted in singles AND doubles, same for last year.
Serena was gassed and admitted as much afterward with Pam. Serena not only is a better player than Henin, she is also smarter. Why Henin thought that a hyper-aggressive strategy was called for against a a player that has been running on fumes since the QF's, is the mystery of the day? Henin was trying to jump all over Serena's second serves, when the proper play was to get the point started and make Serena run to earn points. Even those few times Juju was able to knock off a return winner was good for Serena because she didn't have to run, and had enough in the tank to make it to the finish line.

Juju, needs to understand her strenths and play to them. Her strenth is her ability to make the other players hit that extra ball. If she wants to play power tennis now she's making a huge mistake. Pam and Mary's commentary was right on point. In a battle of first strike tennis, Serena wins that battle 9 times out of 10.
I mostly agree. If JuJu had more of her typical style and worked the points a little better, then maybe it would have been a different story, but even then Serena is capable of digging deep and adapting to what's coming at her and hitting winners from anywhere.

Maybe Justine was feeling it more than Serena in terms of being tired so maybe it was Serena who felt like she could hang in the rallies longer than JuJu felt she could. Who knows...
Either way, it tells me Serena is fit or at least fit enough to get the job done. :):)

Serena's bull-like stamina is IMHO her greatest asset. Her serve is great and all but to actually muster the power to play all those long matches is remarkable. Winning slams for more than 10 years is proof enough.

In fairness to Justine, for her to play like that given her petite size also deserves much respect.
This is true. I heard Serena say off camera that her arms were burning. Did anyone else catch that? I think she has strong stamina and the strongest mind over matter quality.

Serena is match fit and has the strongest mental state I have seen in tennis in general.
As it was, Serena didn't really get too tested as Justine didn't really hit her around the court and when she did she was successful.

Let's face it, Serena doesn't have to use heaps of fitness with her style of play, if she did it would take away from why she is the best in women's tennis, her strength.
I'm guessing she probably doesn't do as much aerobic as she does strength training and for her that's appropriate.
Well for some reason Serena doesn't get a lot of credit on here for how well she moves. For her to even stay in the Azarenka and Li matches she had to play incredible defense. I think she is obviously strong, but she is able to move her muscle around the court quite well. As far as Justine not testing her movement, it's easier said than done. I'm sure a lot of coaches tell their pupils when playing Serena to try to move her around, but Justine's strategy was different. Let's face it, either way Serena could win. She's proved as much.

SAEKeithSerena
Feb 3rd, 2010, 03:23 PM
serena looked as fit as she has since 2004.

dscho99
Feb 3rd, 2010, 09:02 PM
It never ceases to amaze me, when serena wins, she is muscular, when she loses she is fat!



She was always fat post-2003.
She can win anyway because
1) she has immense talent and
2) she plays in a clown era (when Jankovices, Ivanovices and Safinas can reach #1).

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 3rd, 2010, 09:07 PM
so in a clown era with a fat serena....jh could never win more or even equal serena in slam titles :confused: even with serena missing much of the tour for a few years?? wow who's the fat ass clown then...jh should start packing on the weight and maybe she'd get a sniff of seles territory

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 3rd, 2010, 09:12 PM
so in a clown era with a fat serena....jh could never win more or even equal serena in slam titles :confused: even with serena missing much of the tour for a few years?? wow who's the fat ass clown then...jh should start packing on the weight and maybe she'd get a sniff of seles territory
Don't mind Dscho99.

He's a Graf fanatic. :scared: and is starting to feel a little threatened by the footsteps of Serena Williams. It's a little silly to me, because Serena has a long way to go before she can claim Steffi's place at the top of the heap, but he and others are feeling threatened nonetheless. That's why he's trying to discredit the results in the Weapon's Poll.

Just Do It
Feb 3rd, 2010, 09:14 PM
Serena played more than twice the amount of tennis Justine did, and it was Justine that looked tired. Fitness is not dependant on how skinny you appear......

Imagine if Justine also played doubles, she would not be half the player she is today.

Maybe because she didnt play tennis for 2 years ?

dscho99
Feb 3rd, 2010, 09:27 PM
Don't mind Dscho99.

He's a Graf fanatic. :scared: and is starting to feel a little threatened by the footsteps of Serena Williams. It's a little silly to me, because Serena has a long way to go before she can claim Steffi's place at the top of the heap, but he and others are feeling threatened nonetheless. That's why he's trying to discredit the results in the Weapon's Poll.


I'm shaking in my boots ...:haha:

cecilija
Feb 3rd, 2010, 09:31 PM
so in a clown era with a fat serena....jh could never win more or even equal serena in slam titles :confused: even with serena missing much of the tour for a few years?? wow who's the fat ass clown then...jh should start packing on the weight and maybe she'd get a sniff of seles territory

Err, Justine missed much more than Serena, what are you talking about? :tape:

Not saying she would have won more, but that's not the greatest or arguments.

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:25 AM
Don't mind Dscho99.

He's a Graf fanatic. :scared: and is starting to feel a little threatened by the footsteps of Serena Williams. It's a little silly to me, because Serena has a long way to go before she can claim Steffi's place at the top of the heap, but he and others are feeling threatened nonetheless. That's why he's trying to discredit the results in the Weapon's Poll.

:lol: You know it's the truth. Sad and pathetic.

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:26 AM
Maybe because she didnt play tennis for 2 years ?

Oh so is Justine unfit then? I'd love to see people start calling her fat, when the girl who took the titles in both events still is fat and overweight yet continues to kick ass.

Harvs
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:33 AM
LOL justine is extremely physically fit... she spent the most time on the court in her singles matches... thats harder than serenas singles/doubles considering for the most part she breezed past her opponents as she was playing so well..
justine was mentally exhausted... she will get there but.
and i dont think serenas unfit anyways, i think she looked great

Stamp Paid
Feb 4th, 2010, 03:09 AM
She was always fat post-2003.
She can win anyway because
1) she has immense talent and
2) she plays in a clown era (when Jankovices, Ivanovices and Safinas can reach #1).lmao :o

Junex
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:27 AM
Serena was gassed and admitted as much afterward with Pam. Serena not only is a better player than Henin, she is also smarter. Why Henin thought that a hyper-aggressive strategy was called for against a a player that has been running on fumes since the QF's, is the mystery of the day? Henin was trying to jump all over Serena's second serves, when the proper play was to get the point started and make Serena run to earn points. Even those few times Juju was able to knock off a return winner was good for Serena because she didn't have to run, and had enough in the tank to make it to the finish line.

Juju, needs to understand her strenths and play to them. Her strenth is her ability to make the other players hit that extra ball. If she wants to play power tennis now she's making a huge mistake. Pam and Mary's commentary was right on point. In a battle of first strike tennis, Serena wins that battle 9 times out of 10.


Its just a practice session for Wimbledon.
Justine knows that in SW19, the Williamses would be her greatest nemesis so she put those strategies at work and maybe learn a thing or two..
after all her goal in returning is Wimbledon...who cares about the Daphne Akhurst trophy :p

Donny
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:33 AM
Serena was gassed and admitted as much afterward with Pam. Serena not only is a better player than Henin, she is also smarter. Why Henin thought that a hyper-aggressive strategy was called for against a a player that has been running on fumes since the QF's, is the mystery of the day? Henin was trying to jump all over Serena's second serves, when the proper play was to get the point started and make Serena run to earn points. Even those few times Juju was able to knock off a return winner was good for Serena because she didn't have to run, and had enough in the tank to make it to the finish line.

Juju, needs to understand her strenths and play to them. Her strenth is her ability to make the other players hit that extra ball. If she wants to play power tennis now she's making a huge mistake. Pam and Mary's commentary was right on point. In a battle of first strike tennis, Serena wins that battle 9 times out of 10.

Correction: It was before exhaustion and a knee injury, among other things, forced her into retirement. Why do you assume that she is still capable of playing a counterpunching type of game? In my opinion, Justine is making a a shrewd decision to save her body from further wear and tear.

Dunlop1
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:37 AM
OMG :spit:
Just noticed your sig.
You were in Justine's forum? She really has you Serena fans going. :tape:

I never visit the Serena forum lol

Donny
Feb 4th, 2010, 04:49 AM
OMG :spit:
Just noticed your sig.
You were in Justine's forum? She really has you Serena fans going. :tape:

I never visit the Serena forum lol

Neither do I. Never even posted there.

That thread actually showed up in a google search for Serena, believe it or not. You guys must discuss her a lot.

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:16 AM
Serena is match fit and has the strongest mental state I have seen in tennis in general.
As it was, Serena didn't really get too tested as Justine didn't really hit her around the court and when she did she was successful.

Let's face it, Serena doesn't have to use heaps of fitness with her style of play, if she did it would take away from why she is the best in women's tennis, her strength.
I'm guessing she probably doesn't do as much aerobic as she does strength training and for her that's appropriate.
Plyometrics. Very little strength. Moderate aerobic.

Dunlop1
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:28 AM
You guys must discuss her a lot.

Except that my post was about Justine...

Donny
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:34 AM
Except that my post was about Justine...

The thread that showed up in results was about Serena not 'looking like a champion' or something of the sort. It was in the same thread close to your post.

sorceress
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:37 AM
Plyometrics. Very little strength. Moderate aerobic.
Plyometrics?? Well I wouldn't say very little strength, because plyometrics is a very risky type of training with fast and explosive results so you wouldn't undergo it unless you had significant experience in certain areas of your body.
That said I can see how such training would benefit Serena, she obviously does a lot of muscular endurance, super setts etc.

One thing about Serena is that she has to have one of the best cores on the tour and has fantastic posture to boot.Her core is very rarely compromised and I think that credits to her ability to come back in matches and stay calm in high pressured situations.
And obviously, with a serve like that if she didn't have such a strong core her lower back would suffer.

Donny
Feb 4th, 2010, 05:43 AM
I had never heard of the word plyometrics until just now. Learn something new everyday.

Caralenko
Feb 4th, 2010, 06:04 AM
Yeah, she is such a fat cow :rolleyes:

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Even some of the thinnest players on the tour couldn't run like that these days.

Arnian
Feb 4th, 2010, 06:10 AM
Neither do I. Never even posted there.

That thread actually showed up in a google search for Serena, believe it or not. You guys must discuss her a lot.

We rarely, if ever talk about Serena :rolleyes:

Donny
Feb 4th, 2010, 06:14 AM
We rarely, if ever talk about Serena :rolleyes:

Sure thing kiddo.

BTW, did any Serena fans ever come in there to brag like you said?

sorceress
Feb 4th, 2010, 06:17 AM
I had never heard of the word plyometrics until just now. Learn something new everyday.

It's a type of conditioning, think weights with the intensity of cardio...if that makes sense:lol:
Lots of jumping, sudden burst movements that require bouts of strength etc etc.
Box jumps (like having to jump quite high) stuff on stairs, so I mean it's pretty high risk and you only do it with the most capable but it gives you rediculous explosive power.
It's probably why Serena is highly quick when players try to trick her with drop shots etc.

It's one of my favourite techniques to use in training.

Caralenko
Feb 4th, 2010, 06:19 AM
BTW, did any Serena fans ever come in there to brag like you said?

Actually yes. There was a guy who came in cheering for Serena/boo'ing Justine during the third set in our live score thread :)

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 4th, 2010, 06:31 AM
Plyometrics?? Well I wouldn't say very little strength, because plyometrics is a very risky type of training with fast and explosive results so you wouldn't undergo it unless you had significant experience in certain areas of your body.
That said I can see how such training would benefit Serena, she obviously does a lot of muscular endurance, super setts etc.

One thing about Serena is that she has to have one of the best cores on the tour and has fantastic posture to boot.Her core is very rarely compromised and I think that credits to her ability to come back in matches and stay calm in high pressured situations.
And obviously, with a serve like that if she didn't have such a strong core her lower back would suffer.
When you said "strength" I presumed "weight" training, which is the standard parlance. Plyometric isn't "strength" training in the strictest sense, in that it's not designed, necessarily, to build mass and the resulting "strength" but rather to develop the "quick twitch" muscle fibers that are responsible for bursts of quckness and speed, that, back in the day, people believed COULDN'T be developed, but either you had or you didn't have.

DimaDinosaur
Feb 4th, 2010, 09:45 AM
still worried about serena. yeah, she won two titles, but last year nadal beat federer in 5 sets after a tiring 5 set victory against verdasco in the semis the day before while federer got an entire day of rest and now look at nadal. it caught up to him. Serena has knees issues too. just saying

sorceress
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:39 AM
When you said "strength" I presumed "weight" training, which is the standard parlance. Plyometric isn't "strength" training in the strictest sense, in that it's not designed, necessarily, to build mass and the resulting "strength" but rather to develop the "quick twitch" muscle fibers that are responsible for bursts of quckness and speed, that, back in the day, people believed COULDN'T be developed, but either you had or you didn't have.

Yeah that's what I meant, it's probably towards the agility/speed training mold, as in it's training for specific developments in the body but because you're doing such explosive activity, some strength is going to be required and a little bit of bulk will develop.
I think that last sentence is still true to an extent (Usain Bolt), it's just not that black and white anymore.
But let's face it if it was completely true, none of these athletes would be able to return after knee recons etc etc.

Not that they'd ever do it, but it'd be interesting to see a straight 50m sprint with all the girls in the WTA.I think it'd be a surprise to people who'd win and who'd struggle.

Just Do It
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:53 AM
Oh so is Justine unfit then? I'd love to see people start calling her fat, when the girl who took the titles in both events still is fat and overweight yet continues to kick ass.

No one said Serena is unfit. She is fat though.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:19 AM
Err, Justine missed much more than Serena, what are you talking about? :tape:

Not saying she would have won more, but that's not the greatest or arguments.

serena missed the majority of 2005 and 2006....and that's without having to call it a retirement...instead of spewing things learn a player's history first

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:21 AM
Its just a practice session for Wimbledon.
Justine knows that in SW19, the Williamses would be her greatest nemesis so she put those strategies at work and maybe learn a thing or two..
after all her goal in returning is Wimbledon...who cares about the Daphne Akhurst trophy :p

those who've never gotten their hands on the Venus Rosewater Dish?

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:24 AM
We rarely, if ever talk about Serena :rolleyes:

let's not lie kiddo :lol: ya'll were in there salivating at the mouth with the thought of taking down serena in the finals and how much more ammo it would give in TRYING to claim she is better...

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:25 AM
No one said Serena is unfit. She is fat though.

then maybe some of the bony ass players on tour could do with some weight eh?? maybe they'd get a sniff at a slam instead of losing to the fat ass all the time??

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:27 AM
Yeah that's what I meant, it's probably towards the agility/speed training mold, as in it's training for specific developments in the body but because you're doing such explosive activity, some strength is going to be required and a little bit of bulk will develop.
I think that last sentence is still true to an extent (Usain Bolt), it's just not that black and white anymore.
But let's face it if it was completely true, none of these athletes would be able to return after knee recons etc etc.

Not that they'd ever do it, but it'd be interesting to see a straight 50m sprint with all the girls in the WTA.I think it'd be a surprise to people who'd win and who'd struggle.

well to those who know about body types and what they are suited for then it wouldn't really be a surprise....to the majority on this forum who think "bony = sexy and therefore fit and fast" then it'd come as a shock

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:32 AM
Yeah that's what I meant, it's probably towards the agility/speed training mold, as in it's training for specific developments in the body but because you're doing such explosive activity, some strength is going to be required and a little bit of bulk will develop.
I think that last sentence is still true to an extent (Usain Bolt), it's just not that black and white anymore.
But let's face it if it was completely true, none of these athletes would be able to return after knee recons etc etc.

Not that they'd ever do it, but it'd be interesting to see a straight 50m sprint with all the girls in the WTA.I think it'd be a surprise to people who'd win and who'd struggle.
Funny, I was just thinking about that yesterday. I'd LOVE to see that!

DOUBLEFIST
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:33 AM
then maybe some of the bony ass players on tour could do with some weight eh?? maybe they'd get a sniff at a slam instead of losing to the fat ass all the time??
:spit:

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 11:40 AM
serena missed the majority of 2005 and 2006....and that's without having to call it a retirement...instead of spewing things learn a player's history first

I think you should do that first :tape:

Sure she did miss much of 2005 and 2006 (three slams I believe), but so did Justine in 2004 and 2005 and on top of that didn't play AT ALL for 20 months.

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:09 PM
OMG :spit:
Just noticed your sig.
You were in Justine's forum? She really has you Serena fans going. :tape:

I never visit the Serena forum lol

Oh please, PLENTY of your counterparts visit Serena's forum ALL THE TIME and let it be known.

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:13 PM
No one said Serena is unfit. She is fat though.

You're useless. I'm sure you've never seen Serena in person. I really hope you don't spend your nights hurled over a toilet.

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:15 PM
well to those who know about body types and what they are suited for then it wouldn't really be a surprise....to the majority on this forum who think "bony = sexy and therefore fit and fast" then it'd come as a shock

thank you.
all the bony ass players who look like they're one run away from passing flat out really need to be the ones called unfit.

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:16 PM
I think you should do that first :tape:

Sure she did miss much of 2005 and 2006 (three slams I believe), but so did Justine in 2004 and 2005 and on top of that didn't play AT ALL for 20 months.

Please stop acting like you know exactly what JH did for 20 months.

Funny how Kim took 2 years away and when she lost I didn't hear anyone blaming it on how long she'd been away from the game. Just take your lumps.

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:17 PM
Please stop acting like you know exactly what JH did for 20 months.

:confused: I know she didn't play tennis.

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:20 PM
And I'm sure she also did no kind of fitness, no running, etc. Okay. Cool. No wonder she's turning into a fat ass out there.

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:26 PM
And I'm sure she also did no kind of fitness, no running, etc. Okay. Cool. No wonder she's turning into a fat ass out there.

I think you should first read the post I was responding to.

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:33 PM
when serena was off tour, she was actually NOT ON COURT AT ALL!! stayed FARRRR from tennis...unlike a certain someone who bought 20 racquets while claiming to NEVER return to tour...i'd say one was close to tennis and maintained that fitness in her "retirement" while one didn't...

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:39 PM
when serena was off tour, she was actually NOT ON COURT AT ALL!! stayed FARRRR from tennis...unlike a certain someone who bought 20 racquets while claiming to NEVER return to tour...i'd say one was close to tennis and maintained that fitness in her "retirement" while one didn't...

Yep, I am sure Justine was training after having surgery and spending time in Congo and reality shows. :tape: :lol:

She ordered her racquets in September.

brickhousesupporter
Feb 4th, 2010, 12:56 PM
:confused: I know she didn't play tennis.

I heard from Clijsters' mouth that she new that Justine was making a comeback way before everyone else did. She heard it through the grapevine that Justine had ordered something like 12 racquets and was training really hard. She said you don't order that many racquets unless you are planning a comeback. So much for Justine not playing tennis.

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:24 PM
I heard from Clijsters' mouth that she new that Justine was making a comeback way before everyone else did. She heard it through the grapevine that Justine had ordered something like 12 racquets and was training really hard. She said you don't order that many racquets unless you are planning a comeback. So much for Justine not playing tennis.

Yes, late August, early September. She didn't know it way before everybody else did, it was all over Belgian media.

I still don't see the point, she said it herself that she was training for the past 5 months, but she still didn't play on the tour for almost two years. I was merely refuting somebody else's illogical post.

Just Do It
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:38 PM
then maybe some of the bony ass players on tour could do with some weight eh?? maybe they'd get a sniff at a slam instead of losing to the fat ass all the time??

Why are you so defensive ? I did not attack Serena, just said she is fit and fat, with that I wanted to prove that being fat does not make you unfit.

Randy H
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:47 PM
Watching Serena at the Open, I didn't think she looked in peak fitness, but then again, I don't think she's been at peak fitness for a long time...That said, she's won Australian Opens before looking in far worse shape. Part of the issue was the leg, it seemed obvious to me that she wasn't moving as well because of that, and I was surprised that Justine didn't make more of an effort to exploit that by getting into some longer rallies, and using some more angles to pull her wide...

I think what this proves is not so much a question of fitness, but as always for Serena, a testament to her desire to win and fight tooth and nail when the big ones are on the line. In the last 3 rounds of the tournament I didn't think Serena played her best tennis, but she found a way to win. When she needed her serve to come through for her, it did, and it was in my opinion the most critical part of what won her this tournament.

sweetpeas
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:55 PM
Why are you so defensive ? I did not attack Serena, just said she is fit and fat, with that I wanted to prove that being fat does not make you unfit.
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Fat?I know fat people!You do too..Kim is Serena sizes,without ass!:lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:58 PM
Why are you so defensive ? I did not attack Serena, just said she is fit and fat, with that I wanted to prove that being fat does not make you unfit.

defensive?? :lol: i just want to know what proof you have of serena being fat...fat people don't run as quickly as serena no matter how fit you are :lol: let's not ourselves danilo...

BuTtErFrEnA
Feb 4th, 2010, 01:58 PM
Why are you so defensive ? I did not attack Serena, just said she is fit and fat, with that I wanted to prove that being fat does not make you unfit.
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Fat?I know fat people!You do too..Kim is Serena sizes,without ass!:lol:

tell em sweet peas :cheer:

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:03 PM
I think you should first read the post I was responding to.

No, I think you need to quit trying to discredit Serena's win by saying Justine was off for 20 months. You also don't know what kind of training regiment JH had while she was away so stop trying to say you know exactly if she played tennis or not. And don't try to act passive aggressive. You are flat out insulting Serena when calling her fat and trying to play dumb about it. If you're going to be mean at least own it.

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:08 PM
No, I think you need to quit trying to discredit Serena's win by saying Justine was off for 20 months. You also don't know what kind of training regiment JH had while she was away so stop trying to say you know exactly if she played tennis or not. And don't try to act passive aggressive. You are flat out insulting Serena when calling her fat and trying to play dumb about it. If you're going to be mean at least own it.

OMG, tell me where I called Serena fat or unfit.

Like I said, you should first read the posts before posting. I see you still haven't done it :tape:

brickhousesupporter
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:11 PM
Yes, late August, early September. She didn't know it way before everybody else did, it was all over Belgian media.

I still don't see the point, she said it herself that she was training for the past 5 months, but she still didn't play on the tour for almost two years. I was merely refuting somebody else's illogical post.

Do you know how many players would love to be able to pack it in for 5 months and work on their fitness or specific areas of their games. If a player like Wozniaki had 5 months to retool her game, she could probably come back being more aggressive and less of a pusher.

BlameSerena
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:12 PM
^^Okay, take the last sentence away and the rest still applies to you :shrug:
Still trying to discredit Serena by saying JH was off for 20 months :shrug:
Still being passive aggressive about it :shrug:

JustDoIt is the one insulting Serena by calling her fat :shrug:
It's hard to keep the JH trolls from the JH haters in order. Sawry, mate.

Happy now?

cecilija
Feb 4th, 2010, 02:17 PM
Do you know how many players would love to be able to pack it in for 5 months and work on their fitness or specific areas of their games. If a player like Wozniaki had 5 months to retool her game, she could probably come back being more aggressive and less of a pusher.

She could always do that :shrug:

I think you too are missing the point of my posts. I was arguing that Justine missed a lot of slams in the past decade, a lot more than any other player, apart from Kim maybe (can't be bothered to check)
Not playing for 20 months certainly didn't help her build on her legacy, that's all.

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:03 PM
It's her only second tournament ;)

Hey Alex, when does True Blood start on HBO?

Agree with OP. :)

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:04 PM
ITA with the OP. :worship:

Some people in the results thread were saying Serena was even more tired than Henin because of the doubles but that's not what I saw. I think Serena could have played all day if she had to, she's in such amazing shape. So great to see. :worship:


To be fair though, Justine does have that blood virus which is why it would just be impossible for her to play doubles. I think her fitness is fine.

She still has a blood virus? :confused:

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:12 PM
Serena was less tired because she is on juice.

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com/

:haha: That blog is hilarious. :lol:

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:23 PM
Err, Justine missed much more than Serena, what are you talking about? :tape:

Not saying she would have won more, but that's not the greatest or arguments.

Yes, because Serena didn't miss the rest of '03 after Wimby, the beginning of of '04 (didn't win a slam that year), most of '05 and played three or four matches in '06 (didn't win a slam in that year either). :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:25 PM
LOL justine is extremely physically fit... she spent the most time on the court in her singles matches... thats harder than serenas singles/doubles considering for the most part she breezed past her opponents as she was playing so well..
justine was mentally exhausted... she will get there but.
and i dont think serenas unfit anyways, i think she looked great

*SMH* :lol:

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Neither do I. Never even posted there.

That thread actually showed up in a google search for Serena, believe it or not. You guys must discuss her a lot.

:spit: :o

Denise4925
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:39 PM
:confused: I know she didn't play tennis.

Not competitively.

darrinbaker00
Feb 4th, 2010, 10:46 PM
Why are you so defensive ? I did not attack Serena, just said she is fit and fat, with that I wanted to prove that being fat does not make you unfit.
No offense, but that's one of the most ridiculous statements ever made on this board. Saying that someone is "fit and fat" is like saying, "He's blind, but he has 20-20 vision." Fat people are not fit, and fit people are not fat. Period.

sorceress
Feb 5th, 2010, 12:50 AM
^Yep.
Serena has muscle.

LightWarrior
Feb 5th, 2010, 03:09 AM
I found it really surprising that Henin didn't play more on Serena's backhand. Serena had a lot of trouble on that side because of the injury.