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Steffica Greles
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:08 PM
All kneel, and hail Lindsay Davenport.

Oh what silky, clean yet at once brutal tennis. A player with quite possibly the 'best' groundstrokes there have ever been (on that, just this once, I'll agree with John McEnroe), who didn't quite realise how good she was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUnQFfKhUd8 (4.07 in particular)

As the latest pigova emerges from heaven only knows where, with mechanical technique, ungainly, sloppy, brainless, oh what beautiful memories we have in these clips.

Just goes to show that it's a complete nonsense that women's tennis cannot be played with panache and its current evolution is 'natural'. So many of these girls are gremlins, nothing else.

Arnian
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:17 PM
She had such a beautiful game. Her strokes were amazing to watch. She really deserved to win Wimbledon that year.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:26 PM
As the latest pigova emerges from heaven...blah, blah, blah...

Man, what is this OBSESSION you have with weight? :lol:

You once posted that you're not a "weight fascist" or something like that, but I'm beginning to think you're in denial.

I mean EVERY POST something about weight. It's becoming as ubiquitous as "Lena's Bangs."

WTH :help:

shap_half
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:32 PM
Davenport's groundstrokes will always be my favorite. So beautiful and effortless.

dscho99
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:46 PM
All kneel, and hail Lindsay Davenport.

Oh what silky, clean yet at once brutal tennis. A player with quite possibly the 'best' groundstrokes there have ever been (on that, just this once, I'll agree with John McEnroe), who didn't quite realise how good she was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUnQFfKhUd8 (4.07 in particular)

As the latest pigova emerges from heaven only knows where, with mechanical technique, ungainly, sloppy, brainless, oh what beautiful memories we have in these clips.

Just goes to show that it's a complete nonsense that women's tennis cannot be played with panache and its current evolution is 'natural'. So many of these girls are gremlins, nothing else.


So having bad footwork and hitting big without a lot of spin is "clean" in your book?? :rolleyes:

Steffica Greles
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:48 PM
Man, what is this OBSESSION you have with weight? :lol:

You once posted that you're not a "weight fascist" or something like that, but I'm beginning to think you're in denial.

I mean EVERY POST something about weight. It's becoming as ubiquitous as "Lena's Bangs."

WTH :help:

Players don't have to be fat to be pigovas. It just so happens that many are ;).

Azarenka is a pigova - one of the most foul. And she's actually in good shape. It's the screeching, brainless, mechanical ball bashing and inability to change the direction of her strokes freely which qualifies her.

Sharapova was the first pigova. Seles was the gizmo, who spawned these gremlins inadvertently.

It stands for 'pig ugly tennis'. Girth often is concomitant, but not as a given.

le bon vivant
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:50 PM
oh she gave Kim the business in this match :lol:

danieln1
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:51 PM
Davenport was a natural of the game of tennis, her strokes were just so perfect...

If she had the speed and more mental toughness, she would be GOAT

LindsayRulz
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:53 PM
One of Lindsay's best hitting match. :worship: Should have won that damn title. :sobbing:

Sylvester
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:55 PM
Davenport's ground strokes were surely a joy to watch.

Here's her last great performance:

9J8SOLZMWWs

dsanders06
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:58 PM
It's between Davenport and Seles for best ever groundstrokes imo. So brutal yet technically-sound, very rarely breaking down. It's just a shame that no-one who was more of a natural athlete has ever been born with such immaculate timing (Graf and the Williams sisters come quite close in the latter, but not close enough).

AlwaysGraf
Jan 29th, 2010, 09:00 PM
[QUOTE=Slumpnovic;17209541]Davenport was a natural of the game of tennis, her strokes were just so perfect...

If she had the speed and more mental toughness, she would be GOAT[/QUOTE


Lol-that's the funniest thing I've heard in a while. If only she had those two qualities lol a lot missing there. She isn't even ONE of the GOAT.

Amalgamate
Jan 29th, 2010, 09:37 PM
Was never a Davenport fan and never really found her strokes to be that aesthetically pleasing :lol: However, she did have excellent timing. I mean, she kind of had to...

njtennis17
Jan 29th, 2010, 09:40 PM
Such a clean ball-striker, her groundstrokes are just outstanding.

AcesHigh
Jan 29th, 2010, 09:45 PM
She should have way more than 1 Wimbledon title :(

The Dawntreader
Jan 29th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Sublime timing. Perhaps the best hands on tour in ball-striking ability alone. Was able to manipluate the ball so well on impact, making it look so clean and effortless.

Her technique without this timing would probably look cumbersome, especially her forehand, but her timing and strangely her movement around the ball was a massive compensation. Davenport wasn't agile in baseline exchanges, but her footwork moving around or into her shots was almost second-to-none.

One of the most underrated volleyers of the last 15 years too.

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 29th, 2010, 10:55 PM
Players don't have to be fat to be pigovas. It just so happens that many are ;).

Azarenka is a pigova - one of the most foul. And she's actually in good shape. It's the screeching, brainless, mechanical ball bashing and inability to change the direction of her strokes freely which qualifies her.

Sharapova was the first pigova. Seles was the gizmo, who spawned these gremlins inadvertently.

It stands for 'pig ugly tennis'. Girth often is concomitant, but not as a given.
:spit: :haha:

DOUBLEFIST
Jan 29th, 2010, 10:56 PM
She should have way more than 1 Wimbledon title :(
Not according to Venus :devil:

Mightymirza
Jan 29th, 2010, 11:01 PM
One of the worst movers :lol: If she had even little bit more agility, she could have done so much more!

dsanders06
Jan 29th, 2010, 11:02 PM
I have to admit, I love reading Steffica Greles's posts. So hilariously blunt.

selking
Jan 29th, 2010, 11:08 PM
So having bad footwork and hitting big without a lot of spin is "clean" in your book?? :rolleyes:

Now i'll forgive your stupidity since you obviously don't know much about the game but yes, hitting a flat perfect ball with power is what many consider clean.

Dave.
Jan 29th, 2010, 11:38 PM
I don't agree with the intent of the thread but I will :bowdown: to Lindsay's groundstrokes. My favourite player. :inlove:

That match was an amazing performance from Lindsay. Probably should have been won in two but I'm thankful it wasn't because the third set contains 3 or 4 mega running CC FHs. :drool:


So having bad footwork and hitting big without a lot of spin is "clean" in your book?? :rolleyes:

Bad footwork, are you serious?!?

darkchild
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:08 AM
Eagerly waiting for stupid Serena fans to come in and say "Hey, if she has such good groundstrokes, why has she only won 3 GSs?"

Привет
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:20 AM
It stands for 'pig ugly tennis'. Girth often is concomitant, but not as a given.

I love how you've created your own term that nobody else in the entire world uses/cares about. :rolls:

And the way you harp on and on about these 'pigovas' with almost every single thread/post you make is just... :spit:

I don't understand how people let tennis get to them so much. :unsure:

Si_Hi
Jan 30th, 2010, 12:20 AM
i miss her a lot.
damn it, that year's wimbledon loss:sobbing:

RJWCapriati
Jan 30th, 2010, 01:43 AM
The 3rd set of that match was the best I've ever seen her play overall.....poor Lindsay should have won that year. :(

Mrs. Peel
Jan 30th, 2010, 01:55 AM
I've always loved her service motion :hearts::hearts::hearts: One to emulate:worship:

LDVTennis
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:01 AM
All kneel, and hail Lindsay Davenport.

i didn't think Lindsay's forehand was a technically admirable shot. She relied too much on her hand to create the shot.

When she got to the ball and her timing was right, her hand gave her a lot of control over the direction of the ball.

When she had to reach for the ball and/or her timing was not right, she had almost no power on the shot and could do nothing more than push the ball back into the court.

Lindsayfan32
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:07 AM
Davenport's groundstrokes will always be my favorite. So beautiful and effortless.

Lindsay had easy and effortless power. In her hey day I loved watching her beat the hell out of a lower ranked player. They were going 100 miles an hour and Lindsay was at the other end of the court looking like she was having a practice hit. Lindsay groundies will always be my favorite too as I don't think we will ever see another play hit the ball as cleanly as Lindsay did or with such precision as Lindsay did getting a player running from side to side, :)

sorceress
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:19 AM
She always looked ticked off.

serenafan08
Jan 30th, 2010, 02:55 AM
Without a doubt, Lindsay is one of the game's best ball strikers. Had her mobility been better, she would have way more than 3 Grand Slams. She can blow balls past you like Serena and Venus. Her balls were heavier than theirs though; she hit with a lot of topspin, which added even more bite to the power behind it.

hurricanejeanne
Jan 30th, 2010, 03:24 AM
Sublime timing. Perhaps the best hands on tour in ball-striking ability alone. Was able to manipluate the ball so well on impact, making it look so clean and effortless.

Her technique without this timing would probably look cumbersome, especially her forehand, but her timing and strangely her movement around the ball was a massive compensation. Davenport wasn't agile in baseline exchanges, but her footwork moving around or into her shots was almost second-to-none.

One of the most underrated volleyers of the last 15 years too.

Exactly. There was something very natural and very effortless about the way Lindsay hit the ball. Her timing, her hands, her technique and just natural talent made it something of beauty to watch. And she really did have great footwork into her shots, if she was set up, the point was her's.

Viva Lindsay! :worship:

Sylvester
Jan 30th, 2010, 03:36 AM
Saying that Davenport had a bad footwork should be worthy of a ban on a tennis board. Seriously.

GrandSlam05
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:19 AM
Saying that Davenport had a bad footwork should be worthy of a ban on a tennis board. Seriously.
Agreed. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I read his post.

The Witch-king
Jan 30th, 2010, 05:23 AM
Eagerly waiting for stupid Serena fans to come in and say "Hey, if she has such good groundstrokes, why has she only won 3 GSs?"

wtf. This thread doesnt even have anything to do with Serena yet you feel the need to insult an entire fan base. What's WRONG with you?

Wannabeknowitall
Jan 30th, 2010, 06:17 AM
Players don't have to be fat to be pigovas. It just so happens that many are ;).

Azarenka is a pigova - one of the most foul. And she's actually in good shape. It's the screeching, brainless, mechanical ball bashing and inability to change the direction of her strokes freely which qualifies her.

Sharapova was the first pigova. Seles was the gizmo, who spawned these gremlins inadvertently.

It stands for 'pig ugly tennis'. Girth often is concomitant, but not as a given.

You don't win 2 mixed doubles slams playing brainless tennis.
You don't become a top 10 player without a good degree of changing the direction of the ball, unless you happen to be Chakvetadze who just lulled her opponents into crosscourt rallies.

If anyone Chakvetadze was a "pigova", with sloppy footwork, average serve, predictable net game, and lack of variety on her groundstrokes.

Calypso
Jan 30th, 2010, 07:00 AM
Undoubtedly the Queen of Clean-hitting tennis!

I used to rewind the tapes just to see what she was doing right, to be able to hit the ball so beautifully and effortlessly. If she was as fast as some of her great rivals, she would be almost unbeatable!

davgis
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:22 AM
Without a doubt, Lindsay is one of the game's best ball strikers. Had her mobility been better, she would have way more than 3 Grand Slams. She can blow balls past you like Serena and Venus. Her balls were heavier than theirs though; she hit with a lot of topspin, which added even more bite to the power behind it.

she hit with a lot of topspin :tape::help::lol:
Anbyway, yes, Lindsay is definitely the cleanest hitter of a tennis ball I have ever seen. Her movement is great, except up to he net, but even there it isn't terrible. I can't wait for her to come back. No one hits such a clean, powerful, shot, and with so little effort.

Indian Wells will be her first tournament back.

selking
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:26 AM
Here's one thing that has become apparent to me while reading this thread, and please listen up kiddies. Foot speed and Foot Work are very different things, Lindsay lacked the foot speed but had some of the best foot work of her time. It would have been impossible for her to be the player she was, without having outstanding foot work.

dscho99
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:30 AM
Here's one thing that has become apparent to me while reading this thread, and please listen up kiddies. Foot speed and Foot Work are very different things, ...


That's nonsense.

selking
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:50 AM
That's nonsense.

Have you ever played tennis/know anything about it? Foot work is how you set yourself up for the shot, aka taking little steps, being "in position". Foot speed is obviously how fast you are. Making a bit more sense now?

selking
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:51 AM
Here's a nice little page on it so you can read up a bit

http://www.tennis4you.com/lesson-lounge/tennis4you/footwork/overview.htm

Bayo
Jan 30th, 2010, 10:57 AM
Davenport's ground strokes were surely a joy to watch.

Here's her last great performance:

9J8SOLZMWWs

You know what's interesting is that I remember a few posters saying that Ivanovic "made" Lindsay look good after that match. In reality it was a clinic and she really should have had a bagel in that second set.

dscho99
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:06 AM
Have you ever played tennis/know anything about it? Foot work is how you set yourself up for the shot, aka taking little steps, being "in position". Foot speed is obviously how fast you are. Making a bit more sense now?

Foot work is about speed too, IMO.
You have to be fast to be in position.
Stop trying to establish some weird distinction her to upgrade Davenport's abilities. ;)
Everybody can take nice little steps in slow motion.

But maybe it is a matter of bad translation on my side.
In Germany we say "Beinarbeit" (legs' work) instead of "foot work". "Beinarbeit" covers everything you obviously mean. In contrast to pure speed like Carl Lewis (who most probably had bad "foot work", bad "foot speed" and bad "Beinarbeit" ... ).
:wavey:

dscho99
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:07 AM
[QUOTE=selking;17215410]Have you ever played tennis/know anything about it? ... /QUOTE]


I have been a coach for more than 20 years.
Today no more due to a bad knee.

Lindsayfan32
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:08 AM
she hit with a lot of topspin :tape::help::lol:
Anbyway, yes, Lindsay is definitely the cleanest hitter of a tennis ball I have ever seen. Her movement is great, except up to he net, but even there it isn't terrible. I can't wait for her to come back. No one hits such a clean, powerful, shot, and with so little effort.

Indian Wells will be her first tournament back.

Not according to Lindsay Indian wells will be the place she officially retires if the quotes after that German exo are correct. Lindsay has said she won't play on the tour again with two kids it near imposable and that planning on retiring during Indian wells. she turned pro there in 1993 and was give her first wild card there too so it would make sense to call it a career there too. :)

selking
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:15 AM
Foot work is about speed too, IMO.
You have to be fast to be in position.
Stop trying to establish some weird distinction her to upgrade Davenport's abilities. ;)
Everybody can take nice little steps in slow motion.

But maybe it is a matter of bad translation on my side.
In Germany we say "Beinarbeit" (legs' work) instead of "foot work". "Beinarbeit" covers everything you obviously mean. In contrast to pure speed like Carl Lewis (who most probably had bad "foot work", bad "foot speed" and bad "Beinarbeit" ... ).
:wavey:

This is not some weird distinction, this is a big part of the game. I even gave you a link so you could educate yourself on the game a bit. Once again I have to ask, have you ever played tennis at a somewhat decent level? If you did you would know exactly what I mean by footwork and how different the two are. You can be as quick as Carl Lewis but have terrible footwork just like you can have exceptional footwork and be a slower player, as in Davenports case.

dscho99
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:23 AM
This is not some weird distinction, this is a big part of the game. I even gave you a link so you could educate yourself on the game a bit. Once again I have to ask, have you ever played tennis at a somewhat decent level? If you did you would know exactly what I mean by footwork and how different the two are. You can be as quick as Carl Lewis but have terrible footwork just like you can have exceptional footwork and be a slower player, as in Davenports case.


So let's agree that Davenport was able to make nice little steps, OK?
And would have been "in position" most of the time.
If only she hadn't been so slow in it ...
:lol:

RND
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:31 AM
I've always loved her service motion :hearts::hearts::hearts: One to emulate:worship:
SAME HERE! :wavey: :eek:

Davenport, as I remember has been discussed in other threads, is one of the cleanest hitter with her perfect timing, if not the best. The Miami match someone posted is even better that the OP.

Honestly, Davenenport actually brought me into tennis. :worship: Really hope to see her back in some GS.

selking
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:34 AM
So let's agree that Davenport was able to make nice little steps, OK?
And would have been "in position" most of the time.
If only she hadn't been so slow in it ...
:lol:

Yeah you were never a coach, I'm sorry but no coach would belittle great footwork down to nice little steps, at least not one that knows what they are talking about, which makes sense because you don't. Those nice little steps helped her win three grandslams along with being ranked number one in the world. Educate yourself please.

dscho99
Jan 30th, 2010, 11:35 AM
SAME HERE! :wavey: :eek:

Davenport, as I remember has been discussed in other threads, is one of the cleanest hitter with her perfect timing, if not the best. ....


Perfect timing?
She seemed too often to be too late in important rallies IMO.

davgis
Jan 30th, 2010, 01:44 PM
Not according to Lindsay Indian wells will be the place she officially retires if the quotes after that German exo are correct. Lindsay has said she won't play on the tour again with two kids it near imposable and that planning on retiring during Indian wells. she turned pro there in 1993 and was give her first wild card there too so it would make sense to call it a career there too. :)

I made the whole IW thing up, in wishful thinking. :sad: I would hate for Lindsay to never play again, with Monica and Jennifer gone, if Lindsay goes, then tennis is pretty much over for me. I can't see myself watching/follwing tennis at all when Lindsay retires. I still have Kim, Serena and Alicia, but I don't like them as much. Lindsay will always be part of my top 3.

Where did you read those comments?

davgis
Jan 31st, 2010, 12:45 AM
You know what's interesting is that I remember a few posters saying that Ivanovic "made" Lindsay look good after that match. In reality it was a clinic and she really should have had a bagel in that second set.

True, Ana would never be a match for Lindsay. Lindsay is in a whole other league.

IceSkaTennisFan
Jan 31st, 2010, 12:59 AM
Truly one of the greatest and one of my favorites :worship: