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tennisbum79
Jan 28th, 2010, 09:59 PM
What is next?

The achievement of Jhie and Na Li saw a high level of interest in China and chinese diaspora.

There were reports of socieal network websites crashing, saturation on TV and print press about the achiement of the two women.
This was really historical because the Chinese Tennis Federation has taken an unorthodox approach to tennis: a hybrid of socialist collectivist strucrure with some dosage of capitalist compensation system.

Now the 2 women have bowed out, with very unven peformance level.

Na Li was obviously highly competitve and could have reached the final.
Jie, on the other hand, got a brutal and rude awakening by a very efficient Henin.

Following these results, what is now the mood in china and in the various media outlets cited above?

Chinese posters from all provinces of china, your contribution would be greatly appareciated by being this forum eyes and ears with your generous comments.

This would become a historical record for this forum, freezing the day that 2 women from China made the semi-final at the Pacific/Asian Open in 2010.

tennisbum79
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:03 PM
Non-chinese who reside in China are also welcome to contribute.

tennisbum79
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:08 PM
LIN LIN, NA-GOAT, wolfy, etc.. let's get started

Noctis
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:11 PM
What :scratch:
I don't get this

tennisbum79
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:15 PM
What :scratch:
I don't get this

What is the mood in chinese media TV, prints, internet(including social network)?
Is it one of disappointment, pride and hope...

Keegan
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:17 PM
What :scratch:
I don't get this

I think he wants to know the media's response to both Chinese women losing in the SF, with Li Na losing 7-6, 7-6 but Zheng Jie losing 6-1, 6-0. Was the response to Na's match better than Jie's?

tennisbum79
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:22 PM
I think he wants to know the media's response to both Chinese women losing in the SF, with Li Na losing 7-6, 7-6 but Zheng Jie losing 6-1, 6-0. Was the response to Na's match better than Jie's?
Thank you. Keggz.

That is what I want and more.
I think it would be interesting for the forum to have a window on China over how the events of the last 3 days are unfolsing in China.

Noctis
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:05 PM
Will The media was overwhelming in the sports news. CCTV 5 have been broadcasting their matchs since 3rd Round
Rating gets higher each round.Chinese Website Related to sports would have them in headline and generally they get 2 pages in most sports columns.Tennis courts is full,my friends trying to book for a swing or two can't find a spot...

There was a special documentary about them when they reach SF.

After the loss at SF people did compare,That Na Li is better in ways,people always have consider Na as
better when she reached Olympic SF in Beijing.
Media quotes 'Brave fight Li Na,Jie Nervously lost 'Golden flowers Chinese Glory'
they are proud of what they achieved. Phone calls and interviews Broadcast on TVs when they are returning.
It was big for media because they made history.Especially Na now top ten.The media will get more
out of her than Jie.

woosey
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:58 PM
What :scratch:
I don't get this

speak for your people.

Ellery
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:59 PM
People are very proud of both Na and Jie :shrug: Quite naturally.

tennisbum79
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:06 AM
speak for your people.
Still waiting for Lin Lin and NA-GOAT, the most active and prolific posters from China

steffiandbibi
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:07 AM
in china, the most important CCTV news program News Broadcast reported their game results since the 4th rd, usually News Broadcast rarely reports sports news.

Sports news and newspaper also reports AO and 2 girls more than usual, some tennis threads can be found on non-sports forums.

Tennis fans are very exciting, not only because we love chinese girls, this is also a chance to make media reports more tennis and have more match broadcast on TV.

Traditionally, tennis is not popular in china, common people more like table tennis, badminton,football and basketball, and they have been used to women do better than men. so many of them just ask "What is GS?" "They are not champion yet?", but compare to 10 years ago, things have been much better.

Ellery
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:08 AM
The articles are all very positive and encouraging.

Basically, some herald this as the beginning of something new for Chinese this, and say that despite the losses, they should be proud of themselves.

Noctis
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:14 AM
Don't bother waiting for Lin Lin
she gunna reply something like 'They didn't win they suck' :)

tennisbum79
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:15 AM
in china, the most important CCTV news program News Broadcast reported their game results since the 4th rd, usually News Broadcast rarely reports sports news.

Sports news and newspaper also reports AO and 2 girls more than usual, some tennis threads can be found on non-sports forums.

Tennis fans are very exciting, not only because we love chinese girls, this is also a chance to make media reports more tennis and have more match broadcast on TV.

Traditionally, tennis is not popular in china, common people more like table tennis, badminton,football and basketball, and they have been used to women do better than men. so many of them just ask "What is GS?" "They are not champion yet?", but compare to 10 years ago, things have been much better.
Do you think this also a turning point for the Chinese Federation to allow the women more freedom in chosing when and where they want to play.

It seems that Na Li, who has an indepent streak in her, has really improved by going to tier 1, 2, tournaments of her own chosing and playing against many top 10.

Pasta-Na
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:16 AM
b.t.w, can na still play MM tournaments? :p

mckyle.
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:19 AM
Still waiting for Lin Lin and NA-GOAT, the most active and prolific posters from China

I thought NA-GOAT was from New York? Or, pierce0415 was :shrug: Maybe he moved.

tennisbum79
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:22 AM
I thought NA-GOAT was from New York? Or, pierce0415 was :shrug: Maybe he moved.
You may be right, I am not sure.

Well, s/he can contribute and someone form the Chinese diaspora around the world.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:24 AM
b.t.w, can na still play MM tournaments? :p

I think MM restrictions only apply to year end top 10ers ;):bounce:

steffiandbibi
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:25 AM
I do not care much about CTA, but after 2008 Olympic, the Federation have tend to give players more freedom i think. Now, players not financially supported by CTA are free to choose important matches, and those founded players are also free after some years. They just need to play Federation Cup or Olympic for nation.
I am not familiar with more details.

Pasta-Na
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:27 AM
I think MM restrictions only apply to year end top 10ers ;):bounce:

oic, cool. :p

Noctis
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:40 AM
CTA should also consider Juniors Bao Sf and Han qualified taking aset of Sam as sucess
I think they train them until they are ready than they can choose they path

tennisbum79
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:00 AM
CTA should also consider Juniors Bao Sf and Han qualified taking aset of Sam as sucess
I think they train them until they are ready than they can choose they path
Are you saying this how the Federation does thing now?
Do they take age into account?

I am asking because if they don't think someone is ready, but is getting up there in age, then what?

NoChokes
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:13 AM
Didn't the media report that they'd won?

tennisbum79
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:14 AM
Didn't the media report that they'd won?
That is joke right?

Maybe you misunderstood.
I think they are asying, even though they lost, they are still winners in their eyes.

But chinese posters can clear this up

Matt.
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:41 AM
That is joke right?

Maybe you misunderstood.
I think they are asying, even though they lost, they are still winners in their eyes.

But chinese posters can clear this up

I think his intention was something like: The Chinese Government is stereotypically known for being "Big Brother", hence they falsified information and controlled the media in this case.

tennisbum79
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:53 AM
I think his intention was something like: The Chinese Government is stereotypically known for being "Big Brother", hence they falsified information and controlled the media in this case.
That may have been true.
But did it happen this time?

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jan 29th, 2010, 02:24 AM
Here's the lowdown.

Today the Chinese press will scream out from their lungs that "China players will rule the world one day, and win many Slams".

A few months later, when Na and Jie starts to struggle, and results are not impressive, the media will change colours and state "See, this is what happens when you break off from the state and go individually in sports. For prosperity and progress, stay with the State!"

And after a year, when both players failed to reach the heights of this year, the media will turn violent... "China tennis is now in the doldrums. Will take more years before we conquer everything".

You just wait and see.

tennisbum79
Jan 29th, 2010, 02:36 AM
Here's the lowdown.

Today the Chinese press will scream out from their lungs that "China players will rule the world one day, and win many Slams".

A few months later, when Na and Jie starts to struggle, and results are not impressive, the media will change colours and state "See, this is what happens when you break off from the state and go individually in sports. For prosperity and progress, stay with the State!"

And after a year, when both players failed to reach the heights of this year, the media will turn violent... "China tennis is now in the doldrums. Will take more years before we conquer everything".

You just wait and see.

Cynical or accurate?
It is an interesting take...

A friend mine, who is chinese frmo Taiwan, and violently anti-communist, would mirror your views expressed here.

Lin Lin
Jan 29th, 2010, 04:02 AM
I am sorry,my wireless service had a problrem since yesterday,I will update something later:wavey:

Lin Lin
Jan 29th, 2010, 04:21 AM
Here's the lowdown.

Today the Chinese press will scream out from their lungs that "China players will rule the world one day, and win many Slams".

A few months later, when Na and Jie starts to struggle, and results are not impressive, the media will change colours and state "See, this is what happens when you break off from the state and go individually in sports. For prosperity and progress, stay with the State!"

And after a year, when both players failed to reach the heights of this year, the media will turn violent... "China tennis is now in the doldrums. Will take more years before we conquer everything".

You just wait and see.

what?:speakles:
I though you know China more considering you are from Asia:speakles:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jan 29th, 2010, 06:45 AM
what?:speakles:
I though you know China more considering you are from Asia:speakles:

You're taking it as a joke.... or for real? :p

Volcana
Jan 29th, 2010, 06:46 AM
Do you think this also a turning point for the Chinese Federation to allow the women more freedom in chosing when and where they want to play.They could as easily view this as a confirmation of their system.

tennisbum79
Jan 29th, 2010, 10:13 PM
They could as easily view this as a confirmation of their system.
But dispassionate observers could see it the other way... because of Na Li's increasing push the last few years to be free from the confining weight of the system.

Her participation to a number of WTA tournaments not approved the Chinese Federation gave her the opportunity to play against many of the top 10 players, building her confidence in the process.

Noctis
Jan 29th, 2010, 10:35 PM
Here's the lowdown.

Today the Chinese press will scream out from their lungs that "China players will rule the world one day, and win many Slams".

A few months later, when Na and Jie starts to struggle, and results are not impressive, the media will change colours and state "See, this is what happens when you break off from the state and go individually in sports. For prosperity and progress, stay with the State!"

And after a year, when both players failed to reach the heights of this year, the media will turn violent... "China tennis is now in the doldrums. Will take more years before we conquer everything".

You just wait and see.

No.. Dear people in China respect sportsman very much. No matter who they are why they struggle.They will cheer because they are Chinese.They treat them as heros and always will be.

They only hate people who commits crimes. Like taking drugs or sex scandal.I am pretty sure jie and Na won't do this things :shrug:
About your theory Jie struggle through 2009 with injury.They give her support not the other way around.We don't do backstabbing like Some other countries Belarus or Usa