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SAISAI-GOAT
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:24 PM
both beat a ShuShu,a Bond, a lefty and a French headcase ... which was more impressive?

Jie Zheng @ AO 2010
1R Peng 06 61 62
2R [24] Martinez Sanchez 26 62 63
3R [11] Bartoli 57 63 60
4R [31] A Bond 76 64
QF Kirilenko 61 63

Nina Wick @ USO 2009
1R [16] Razzano 64 63
2R Peng 26 61 64
3R Errani 63 64
4R Kvitova 46 64 75
QF K Bond 75 64

duhcity
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:46 PM
Wickmayer.
Zheng has done this before. Wickmayer is a young girl and did it with virtually no slam experience

Uranium
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:47 PM
Wickmayer.

Hugh.
Jan 28th, 2010, 10:55 PM
Both were highly unimpressive taking advantage of flukey easy draws. But Zheng's was more impressive because at least she beat some half decent seeds along the way.

Chakvenus
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:29 PM
wickmayer's draw was crap.
zheng.

Ferg
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:32 PM
Jie. :shrug:

youizahoe
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:33 PM
Wickmayer, and it's not even close.

louisa.
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:35 PM
Jie, look at the difference in calibre of opponents :shrug:

Berlin_Calling
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:37 PM
3 seeds to 1, Zheng wins.

KournikovaFan91
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:38 PM
Jie beat some good players, and Wick really didn't after Razzano.

Pasta-Na
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:41 PM
jie :p

Lord Choc Ice
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:42 PM
Jie 'cause she beat Maria Jose, and A-Bond on a big winning streak. Wickmayer didn't really beat anybody particularly good at the time.

youizahoe
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:48 PM
Jie, look at the difference in calibre of opponents :shrug:

That doesn't actually say a lot. Yes it's better to beat seeds then not. But I you don't get any seeds to beat, you can't beat any. You can't really hold it against Yanina.

For Wickmayer the players she met at that time, could have felt, for her, as if they were seeds.

In fact Zheng is also more experienced at slams, already participated at 20 slams. With a record of 24-20 WL in grand slams.

While Wickmayer made the SF in just her 7th grand slam appearance. With a record of 1-6 WL in grand slams.

If the OP would have used the 2008 Wimbledon SF, I would certainly pick Jie. But you cannot compare someone's first semifinal appearance with someone's second semifinal appearance, that's pure imbalanced.

flyingmachine
Jan 28th, 2010, 11:49 PM
Jie.

Noctis
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:23 AM
That doesn't actually say a lot. Yes it's better to beat seeds then not. But I you don't get any seeds to beat, you can't beat any. You can't really hold it against Yanina.

For Wickmayer the players she met at that time, could have felt, for her, as if they were seeds.

In fact Zheng is also more experienced at slams, already participated at 20 slams. With a record of 24-20 WL in grand slams.

While Wickmayer made the SF in just her 7th grand slam appearance. With a record of 1-6 WL in grand slams.

If the OP would have used the 2006 Wimbledon SF, I would certainly pick Jie. But you cannot compare someone's first semifinal appearance with someone's second semifinal appearance, that's pure imbalanced.

I would pick Jie becauses she's my favourite,You would say Yania because Shes your favourite
don't need to analyse this,it is all about Bias and who's favourite :)

youizahoe
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:24 AM
I would pick Jie becauses she's my favourite,You would say Yania because Shes your favourite
don't need to analyse this,it is all about Bias and who's favourite :)

I don't pick my favorite, Otherwise I wouldn't have stated that if used the SF 2008, I would have picked Jie.

Noctis
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:39 AM
Jie beats 3 seeds everytime. As a WC and unseeded player
I say Wimbledon was more
impressive

Viktymise
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:41 AM
Wickmayer, and it's not even close.

Lawl. Zheng beat 3 seeds, Wickmayer 1. Zheng beat a higher ranked player too. You're right it's not even close, Zheng wins.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:50 AM
That doesn't actually say a lot. Yes it's better to beat seeds then not. But I you don't get any seeds to beat, you can't beat any. You can't really hold it against Yanina.

For Wickmayer the players she met at that time, could have felt, for her, as if they were seeds.

In fact Zheng is also more experienced at slams, already participated at 20 slams. With a record of 24-20 WL in grand slams.

While Wickmayer made the SF in just her 7th grand slam appearance. With a record of 1-6 WL in grand slams.

If the OP would have used the 2006 Wimbledon SF, I would certainly pick Jie. But you cannot compare someone's first semifinal appearance with someone's second semifinal appearance, that's pure imbalanced.

I don't pick my favorite, Otherwise I wouldn't have stated that if used the SF 2006, I would have picked Jie.

You shouldn't really state anything.

Ellery
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:00 AM
Their runs are really quite similar :eek:

Both discarding Shushu along the way :hysteric: after losing the first

youizahoe
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:00 AM
You shouldn't really state anything.

Cause I made a mistake? Anyway, doesn't change much of my point. 2008 was her first st appearance and way more impressive than this years.

Yorker
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:03 AM
I'd say Zheng based on oppononets but neither is that impressive, no top 10 wins at all.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:04 AM
Cause I made a mistake?

Cause you're clueless.

Hardiansf
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:06 AM
That doesn't actually say a lot. Yes it's better to beat seeds then not. But I you don't get any seeds to beat, you can't beat any. You can't really hold it against Yanina.

For Wickmayer the players she met at that time, could have felt, for her, as if they were seeds.
In fact Zheng is also more experienced at slams, already participated at 20 slams. With a record of 24-20 WL in grand slams.

While Wickmayer made the SF in just her 7th grand slam appearance. With a record of 1-6 WL in grand slams.If the OP would have used the 2008 Wimbledon SF, I would certainly pick Jie. But you cannot compare someone's first semifinal appearance with someone's second semifinal appearance, that's pure imbalanced.
So you want to compare Wickmayer with Li then? Since it their first experience in Slam SF? :lick:
Li >>>>>>>>> Wickmayer
and to answer OP, Jie's is also more impressive than Wickmayer's.

KamilZ
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:12 AM
Definitely...Jie...

Noctis
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:19 AM
I'd say Zheng based on oppononets but neither is that impressive, no top 10 wins at all.

Jie would win hands down on Wim 08 she beat 4 seeds. World number 1
had Sp vs Serena

Cause you're clueless.

:haha: give him a break.

WhoAmI?
Jan 29th, 2010, 09:45 AM
:shrug: being completely honest, I'd say Zheng (didn't expect her to beat all of those people). Sure, Yanina's was unexpected also, but I guess many players in her position would of done the same (but at least she has shown good results after the slam also:))

Caralenko
Jan 29th, 2010, 09:51 AM
Zheng already had a Grand Slam SF.

Wickmayer is young and had barely any experience. Yanina.

skanky~skanketta
Jan 29th, 2010, 09:58 AM
It depends on how you look at it.

Purely on the players they beat, I would definitely say Jie. But as mentioned in this thread, Yanina was massively inexperienced.

Привет
Jan 29th, 2010, 10:27 AM
I think Zheng. There's not that much difference between them, really, but I think Wickmayer would have been the favourite in a lot of the matches she played. Can't say I was sure Zheng would beat Martinez Sanchez or Bartoli.

homogenius
Jan 29th, 2010, 11:23 AM
Zheng.

miffedmax
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:43 PM
Li.

flareon
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:44 PM
It seems if you beat peng your going on a big run. ;)

I personally would say zheng because she has done it twice and shown that first time it was not a fluke. She also beat some good players this time around.

LoLex
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:03 PM
Zheng ;p

Nikkiri
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:34 PM
Jie for me.

young_gunner913
Jan 29th, 2010, 02:36 PM
Jie. She took out tougher opponents and Wickmayer's SF was a result of a collasped draw.

Adal
Jan 29th, 2010, 02:37 PM
Jie by far.

Renalicious
Jan 29th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Jie...by far. Bartoli, Martinez Sanchez and Kirilenko are all tough.

DavidArchuleta
Jan 29th, 2010, 02:50 PM
jie

jimmy_the_greek
Jan 29th, 2010, 03:32 PM
If we were talking about Jie's performance in Wimbeldon 2008 i would have voted for her, but voted for Wickmayer because zheng played kirilenko to get into the semi's who didn't play very well in that game, and bartoli was basically fatigued after the 1st set from her previous match.

LoLex
Jan 29th, 2010, 04:22 PM
If we were talking about Jie's performance in Wimbeldon 2008 i would have voted for her, but voted for Wickmayer because zheng played kirilenko to get into the semi's who didn't play very well in that game, and bartoli was basically fatigued after the 1st set from her previous match.

The same about Wickmayer. Bondarenko and Kvitova both were tired. Razzano was completely out of shape.

DefyingGravity
Jan 29th, 2010, 04:42 PM
Jie's Wimbledon 2008 run clearly outclasses this one. I think Yanina's is more impressive because she literally came from no where.

However, Yanina did have the luxury that all of the women she played just about had taken out a seed in the round before, and had pressure to back up the result. Especially in the case of Kvitova and K. Bond. Even though Ivanovic was in slump, she clearly was still ranked #11 and was only a year removed from winning a Grand Slam. And Kvitova beat the most consistent women's tennis player (in terms of results) up to that point. Kateryna may not count in that equation though because she had backed up her QF win with 3 more.

Zheng's 2010 run to the AO semis didn't really have much in the way of the opponents who were trying to back up upsets in the way, with the exception of Kirilenko who clearly did that.

Anyway, I don't think I'm gonna quite vote in this poll, but if I had to pick one of the THREE, 2008 Wimbledon for the slam dunk.

youizahoe
Jan 29th, 2010, 07:42 PM
Cause you're clueless.

Don't mistake yourself with myself. Thank you.

hellas719
Jan 29th, 2010, 10:00 PM
Obviously Yanina ;)
Yes, Jie beat more seeded player, but:
a) Yanina had barely any experience in slams, while Jie already had a GS SF.
b) Yanina didn't have the opportunity to face as many seeded players as Jie.

MaBaker
Jan 29th, 2010, 10:13 PM
Obviously Jie.