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Ferg
Jan 12th, 2010, 01:55 PM
Draw out in 3 days! :bounce: Im actually looking forward to it. Marion will draw either Venus, Azarenka, Elena or JJ. I think Venus mightnt even get to the fourth round, and Vika has not been convining so fat at all. Marion always has a great chance vs. JJ but Ill never forget that Wimbledon last year. :o Main thing is that Henin isnt in Marions half. It'll be exciting to see her again, I've missed her in the first few tournament this year and I want to see how 2 weeks pratice in the venue itself does for her.

Iceland
Jan 12th, 2010, 04:58 PM
Correction: Marion can play Elena, not Vera who is 9th. ;)
If Marion avoids Hénin or some ballbasher (like Lisicki or Wickmayer), Im quite confident on her chance of reaching the 2nd week.
Allez baba!

Ferg
Jan 12th, 2010, 05:26 PM
Im so used to seeing Lena in the top 4. :hysteric:

bruce goose
Jan 14th, 2010, 02:31 PM
Please forgive the brief off-topic slide,but I have a rules question:If a player is believed to have deliberately aimed an overhead at his/her opponent--with an intent to make contact and do harm--does the chair umpire have any recourse in that matter?

What if the player barely misses and states something like,"You're lucky.I'll aim better next time."
....Or what if he actually strikes his opponent and says,"Good!I hope that hurt a lot!" ???

Ferg
Jan 14th, 2010, 04:41 PM
Apparently in L'Equipe Marion will only play Dubai before IW and Miami.

Lighter
Jan 14th, 2010, 07:20 PM
Yeah, in l'équipe today :
- AO
- Dubaï
- IW
- Miami

She didn't mention Monterrey. Probably, she didn't forget how disappointed she was after Miami.

Iceland
Jan 14th, 2010, 07:24 PM
:lol:

Baba, I hope you're ready for this. She better be in shape for the Australian Open.

Ferg
Jan 14th, 2010, 07:28 PM
She better have her summer-October full with tournaments, she better not play a full clay schedule. :o

Lighter
Jan 14th, 2010, 07:51 PM
She has been in Melbourne since January 3rd. She feels ready to play and knows what she has to do.

Marionated
Jan 14th, 2010, 10:41 PM
I'm pretty disappointed to see she isn't playing Paris. I love watching her indoors.
Hopefully she'll get a good draw in a few hours time.

Ferg
Jan 15th, 2010, 12:15 AM
Draw out, De Los Rios in R1, then Vandeweghe/Zahlava in R2. Gets tough then though, Zheng, MJMS, or Peng in R3. JJ again in R4 :hysteric: Allez, its winneable!

Marionated
Jan 15th, 2010, 12:18 AM
Eurgh I'm so sick of these 4th round match-ups with JJ.
Actually, let's just take it once step at a time. De Los Rios is the one she beat 0 and 1 at the US open, right?

Six Feet Under
Jan 15th, 2010, 12:39 AM
Yay cakewalk draw!!!!

first round bye
second round bye
3 round MJMS/Zheng/Peng - all winnable
4th round JJ - we all know that's winnable
QF - only person i'm not liking there is sharapova, i think can beat everyone else.
SF she would have a decent chance again dementieva or kuznetsova, but henin is looming.
I am extremly happy with this draw, we couldn't have asked for much better.

Marionated
Jan 15th, 2010, 12:45 AM
I read that it's going to be really hot in Melboure the next few days. I wonder how she'll cope.

Iceland
Jan 15th, 2010, 07:47 AM
OMG this draw :o:hysteric:
Couldn't ask for a better one, Marion, what have you done to get it?

Unless something goes really wrong, she will reach the 3rd round for sure. I don't know much of Vandeweghe but I doubt she will be much of a threat.
The rest looks good too : Marion figured out how to beat Martinez Sanchez and she has a good record against Chinese players. We all know Marion's h2h against Jankovic so... A QF looks possible but it is not a given of course.

If Marion's there since Jan. 3rd, she should be used to play in the heat.

If she wants to go deep in a Grand Slam, she better do it here. After a very unfortunate US Open draw, luck decided to go on her side!

Allez Baba!

Lighter
Jan 15th, 2010, 10:47 AM
Draw looks like exactly what she expected :
- Warm up R1 and R2
- No justine

With a goal : at least to reach Qf.

Concerning hot weather, she has been in Melbourne since January 3rd in order to be ready. And after AO, she will go directly to Dubaï. "Always the sun", remember The Stranglers.

Iceland
Jan 15th, 2010, 01:04 PM
I just hope those decisions wont result in putting too much pressure on herself. Marion will be fully dedicated to tennis this season.
This is a great effort and I understand that she feels she has to give everything on Slams now. But there is no need to go to Dubaï so early :/ She has to take care of not burning herself out mentally.

Well, if you compare Marion to Serena, you can notice who's taking tennis seriously and who's not :lol:

Lighter
Jan 15th, 2010, 03:10 PM
I just hope those decisions wont result in putting too much pressure on herself. Marion will be fully dedicated to tennis this season.
This is a great effort and I understand that she feels she has to give everything on Slams now. But there is no need to go to Dubaï so early :/ She has to take care of not burning herself out mentally.

Well, if you compare Marion to Serena, you can notice who's taking tennis seriously and who's not :lol:One quote in her interview is very important :
"Tout cela est réfléchi, j'apprends de mes erreurs".

She has so many points to take in IW and Miami. Beyond Dubaï, IW and Miami are her main goals.

Leucoptera
Jan 15th, 2010, 06:46 PM
What a good draw for her! Don't "choke" Marion, don't "choke"!!!! :bounce:

bruce goose
Jan 15th, 2010, 08:00 PM
Well,Marionettes,I've vowed to kiss the mayor's wife on the lips if :hearts:Marion:hearts: wins the AO.......but don't bother saving up any bail money for me b/c this sort of offense often leads to 'unofficial' capital punishment in Mexico,anyway;)

Btw,I'm STILL looking for Marion's match last year v. Zvonareva if anyone knows where to get it(in its entirety),but I'll be satisfied,for now,with Marion's best effort in Melbourne:)

Lighter
Jan 15th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Well,Marionettes,I've vowed to kiss the mayor's wife on the lips if :hearts:Marion:hearts: wins the AO.......but don't bother saving up any bail money for me b/c this sort of offense often leads to 'unofficial' capital punishment in Mexico,anyway;)

Btw,I'm STILL looking for Marion's match last year v. Zvonareva if anyone knows where to get it(in its entirety),but I'll be satisfied,for now,with Marion's best effort in Melbourne:)Only 3rd set like you i suppose.

bruce goose
Jan 15th, 2010, 09:05 PM
Only 3rd set like you i suppose.Actually,Lighter,I'd prefer to see the WHOLE match b/c that's where the human drama is---in watching Marion come back from so far down

Aravanecaravan
Jan 16th, 2010, 01:46 AM
Good luck, Marion!

Lighter
Jan 16th, 2010, 11:43 AM
Monday OoP :

Court 2, from 01h00 (French time)
Olivier Rochus (BEL) - Fernando Gonzalez (CHI) [11]
Anastasia Rodionova (AUS) - Svetlana Kuznetsova (RUS)[3]
Jarkko Nieminen (FIN) - Nick Lindahl (AUS)
Rossana De Los Rios (PAR) - Marion Bartoli (FRA)[11]

Ferg
Jan 16th, 2010, 11:44 AM
Thats televised right? If so I'll be able to watch her tomorrow morning!

BartoliBabes
Jan 16th, 2010, 09:25 PM
very good draw... but one match at a time;)

Ferg
Jan 18th, 2010, 07:05 AM
Oh dear. Cancelled. Not good for Marion.

Alizé Molik
Jan 18th, 2010, 08:19 AM
Oh dear. Cancelled. Not good for Marion.

actually i think it will work in her favour. tommorow's conditions will be much more favourable, and still only 23 degrees so not too hot.

Lighter
Jan 18th, 2010, 12:17 PM
Tuesday OoP :
Marion will play 1st tie on Court 3
11:00 am or 01:00am (french time)

Six Feet Under
Jan 18th, 2010, 12:23 PM
Stream stilL available :D

Ferg
Jan 19th, 2010, 12:36 AM
A win is always welcome! SHe wasnt at her bet but that wasnt to be expected. Hopefully she can build up some steam. She seemed pleased, she signed everything offered down to her afterwards.

Iceland
Jan 19th, 2010, 05:43 AM
The match is on on a replay now and God, she looks AWFUL. Her shots are terribly weak and she doesn't move well at all.
Last year she has a pretty bad match too against South, so there's no need to worry. But since we haven't seen her since Bali, we have no guarantee that a better Baba will show up in the next matches.

Ferg
Jan 19th, 2010, 07:44 AM
No stream for Court 8 right? I love that line-up.
Court 8

11:00 Start
Women's Singles - 1st Round
Kimiko Date Krumm(JPN) vs. Yaroslava Shvedova(KAZ)
Women's Singles - 2nd Round
Sandra Zahlavova(CZE) vs. Marion Bartoli(FRA)[11]
Men's Singles - 2nd Round
John Isner(USA)[33] vs. Louk Sorensen(IRL)
Men's Singles - 2nd Round
Jarkko Nieminen(FIN) vs. Florent Serra(FRA)

Six Feet Under
Jan 19th, 2010, 10:09 AM
No stream for court 8???

:hysteric::hysteric::hysteric:

CombackDate, Mari and Isner :drool::hearts:

Joee
Jan 19th, 2010, 11:49 AM
Trust them to put Marion onto a court that isnt streamed.
If they do it again I shall have to write a strongly worded email to them =]

Lighter
Jan 19th, 2010, 12:29 PM
The match is on on a replay now and God, she looks AWFUL. Her shots are terribly weak and she doesn't move well at all.
Last year she has a pretty bad match too against South, so there's no need to worry. But since we haven't seen her since Bali, we have no guarantee that a better Baba will show up in the next matches.Marion agrees with you : http://video.eurosport.fr/tennis/open-d-australie/2010/bartoli-j%27avais-hate_vid123956/video.shtml

Joee
Jan 19th, 2010, 02:36 PM
I was just thinking. Im almost sure I seen a stream for Razzanno last night!? And she was on court 8 unless it was being streamed from Bet365 or somewhere....

Six Feet Under
Jan 19th, 2010, 03:18 PM
Lighter could you please give a rough translation.

Lighter
Jan 19th, 2010, 03:55 PM
Lighter could you please give a rough translation.
- Happy to win in 2 sets, even she didn't play well during 1st set. Better 2nd set.
- Impatient to play. Match cancelled very late yesterday
- Injured in Bali : 2 week and 1/2 of treatment before practice based on physical preparation
- Arrived in Australia January 3th. A lot of practice under the sun in order to be ready
- Ambitious goals : 2nd week for all the grand slam + entering top 8 in order to play YEC
- RG not good and USO R2 vs Kim
- When she didn't play well during her match, she has tried to remember some good matchs she played in Australia (not so many)? especially the one vs JJ. And saying to herself, it will come back.

Joee
Jan 19th, 2010, 04:34 PM
I got most of that from Marion but I couldnt make out some :L Thanks Lighter :)

Six Feet Under
Jan 19th, 2010, 04:38 PM
Thankyou :)

3rd last and last point good to hear.

Joee
Jan 19th, 2010, 04:39 PM
Indeed.

bruce goose
Jan 19th, 2010, 05:48 PM
Though I'm happy to see a :hearts:Marion:hearts: victory,the TRUE drama hasn't started yet for me.Even a sub-par-playing Marion is capable of defeating De Los Rios or Zahlavova....Can't wait to see what happens when our Corsican Queen meets a heavyweight.VAMOS,MARION!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Ferg
Jan 19th, 2010, 05:52 PM
Think I'll get some much needed sleep tonight, seeing as I wont be able to watch Marion, Kimiko or Louk.

BartoliBabes
Jan 19th, 2010, 07:29 PM
i'm just happy she won to be honest:)... i don't know anything about her next opponent though:confused:

Ferg
Jan 19th, 2010, 08:09 PM
Godammit. Apparently Court 8 IS televised.

Joee
Jan 19th, 2010, 08:16 PM
Yeah,I was thinking I seen a stream!

JOCHEBEL
Jan 19th, 2010, 09:28 PM
Im late, but im so happy about Marion's victory. I saw the match and she played really bad but to be honest i prefer she played badly in early rounds. Keep Going Marion, Sandra Zahlavova is beatable but she deserve respect like all the players.

Defend Quarters Marion :)

Marionated
Jan 19th, 2010, 09:32 PM
i'm just happy she won to be honest:)... i don't know anything about her next opponent though:confused:

Me too. I'm :scared:

Joee
Jan 19th, 2010, 10:22 PM
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Activity/0,,12781~9393,00.html

Thats Zahlavova's profile.

Doesnt seem to be a big threat imo. But I cant say i know what shes like....And that win over Coco isnt that shocking....

Alizé Molik
Jan 19th, 2010, 11:21 PM
Sandra is quick but she hits the ball pretty flat or really loopy topspin. I don't think either will trouble marion that much! However considering this is only her 2nd match for the year, anything is possible.

Joee
Jan 19th, 2010, 11:22 PM
Lets just see how she plays :)

Six Feet Under
Jan 20th, 2010, 03:38 AM
Good Match - Marion def. Sandra 6-4 6-4

34W/29 UE.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2hgwr28.gif

Vs. Zheng in R3

Marion defeated her in Monterrey Last 7-5 6- 3 or 4. in the semis i think.

Alizé Molik
Jan 20th, 2010, 03:46 AM
I still wouldn't call that a "good match" but at least she didn't drop a set or anything. Jie has been starting slowly in the first set (o-6 against Peng and 2-6 today) but I saw her play monday and she's quick around the court and get's a lot of balls back. The bright side is that her shots will be going straight to where Marion loves to hit the ball.

Iceland
Jan 20th, 2010, 04:21 AM
Bon, this Zahlavova was only another cheap opponent. Now the real job has to get started and we need the real Baba.
I believe in her, she can totally dismantle Jie if she plays as smart as in Monterrey. It will also mean putting many balls back and cutting down the unforced errors.
Allez Marion. :)

JOCHEBEL
Jan 20th, 2010, 04:50 AM
Good Job Marion :drool:

Jie Zheng will be very hard. i saw her last week in Hobart's quarters and is very fast and has solid both backhand and forehand. Marion must be in the ball seriously.

Lighter
Jan 20th, 2010, 11:33 AM
Interview video on Eurosport in French : http://video.eurosport.fr/tennis/bartoli-j%27attaque-bien_vid124135/video.shtml

- 1st meeting vs Sandra : never easy when you don't know the player
- Sandra played well
- Good last 3 games
- Weather : not easy to be acclimated (windy, cold, hot temperature,...)
- She knows Jie Zheng. Play flat. A win is possible
- Service and return will be the main weapons
- Clear strategy : hard hitting or Moonballs and no in between.

Six Feet Under
Jan 20th, 2010, 12:24 PM
Excellent, thanks lighter :yeah:

in the few fames that i managed to see from the crappy streams, Marion did do a lot of moonballs, maybe a new strategy for 2010.

Marionated
Jan 20th, 2010, 12:46 PM
Good luck against Jie.
Thanks for the translation Lighter.

Joee
Jan 20th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Should be a mouth watering match :lol:
Hope she can down her though!
Allez Marion!

bruce goose
Jan 20th, 2010, 03:43 PM
Yes,I had the pleasure of watching :hearts:Marion:hearts: defeat Zheng on TV right in my home country:)....and I look forward to indulging in a repeat of the same result:cool:

Joee
Jan 20th, 2010, 04:03 PM
hehe
I wish there was some footage of their Monterrey Meeting :(

Iceland
Jan 20th, 2010, 04:08 PM
Have you heard the interview of Marion on the FFT website? Hilarious! Bitching about sponsors :lol: Marion has quite an ego but I like that confident talk!

Joee
Jan 20th, 2010, 04:22 PM
no :O

Ferg
Jan 20th, 2010, 05:12 PM
Thank god they arent playing tonight, I need some rest. I have a good feeling about it. I hope she can take advantage of her draw.

Iceland
Jan 20th, 2010, 05:20 PM
Yeah me too, I hope i'll be able to watch it live. I haven't followed AO at all because of exams. They aren't over yet but I really want to watch this one.

The fact that Marion had good stats on serve today makes me feel confident about a first cool win this year :)

Lighter
Jan 20th, 2010, 05:36 PM
She seems confident and ready to play.

About sponsorship situation, she just answers to Myrtille Rambion and Eric Salliot's questions. OK, there is a buzz in France. But, imo, she doesn't care about this situation. It's just funny.

Marionated
Jan 21st, 2010, 08:44 AM
Show Court 3

11:00 Start Men's Doubles - 2nd Round
Marcel Granollers(ESP)[8] / Tommy Robredo(ESP)[8] vs. Johan Brunstrom(SWE) / Jean-Julien Rojer(AHO)

Not Before:12:30
Women's Singles - 3rd Round
Maria Kirilenko(RUS) vs. Roberta Vinci(ITA)

Women's Singles - 3rd Round
Jie Zheng(CHN) vs. Marion Bartoli(FRA)[11]

Women's Doubles - 2nd Round
Sabine Lisicki(GER) / Aravane Rezai(FRA) or Melinda Czink / Natalie Grandin(RSA) vs. Alberta Brianti(ITA) / Urszula Radwanska(POL) or Alisa Kleybanova / Francesca Schiavone(ITA)[7]

Joee
Jan 21st, 2010, 04:09 PM
I wont be able to watch :(
too late for me!

Ferg
Jan 21st, 2010, 05:16 PM
So that'll be approximately 3? Ill get up for it.

Iceland
Jan 21st, 2010, 06:32 PM
Im betting on 5 (so 4 in Ireland). I have an exam tomorrow and I have to be rested too. ^^'
I may just see the end of the match and I'll take the risk.

Leucoptera
Jan 21st, 2010, 09:05 PM
So, 1 am for me, impossible, impossible, either too late or too early.
Must work hard tomorrow. :crying2:

Patty Choker
Jan 22nd, 2010, 04:07 AM
Match started..win in 2 Marion:)

Iceland
Jan 22nd, 2010, 04:22 AM
Match finally got started at 6 ^^'
Marion seems pretty inconsistent but there are a couple of good things.
Allez BB ;)

JOCHEBEL
Jan 22nd, 2010, 04:23 AM
Allez Marion!

Six Feet Under
Jan 22nd, 2010, 04:27 AM
stream?

Iceland
Jan 22nd, 2010, 04:42 AM
There is a real problem on serve. She wasted three set points because of terrible 2nd serves.

Iceland
Jan 22nd, 2010, 04:51 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, Baba officially made a moonball point revival :worship: I love when she does it. She'd always win the point.

Iceland
Jan 22nd, 2010, 04:56 AM
Marion finally hit good serves and 7-5! :yeah: Hope she carries on, I have to go now...
So far she has been quite in control and her game is slowly but surely set up.

Patty Choker
Jan 22nd, 2010, 05:48 AM
marion in big trouble in the 2nd:fiery:

Patty Choker
Jan 22nd, 2010, 06:01 AM
what a meltdown Marionhttp://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg133/ertyrwryw/wierdo.gif

Bartoli's Boy
Jan 22nd, 2010, 06:28 AM
Ohhh Marion. :confused: I just don't understand what happened in the third set. It did look like she completely gave up playing the match. It's hard for me to understand how she could have that mentality in a grand slam, especially when she had a good draw. I mean if Zheng was gonna beat her by being too good, then fair play to her, but there's no way Marion should be going down 0-6 in the third with no resistance.

Ugh. :weirdo:

Alizé Molik
Jan 22nd, 2010, 06:49 AM
a couple more of these can't be bothered matches, and I will no longer be bothered with Marion.

Ferg
Jan 22nd, 2010, 07:42 AM
Oh for fuck sake. She keeps screwing up these glorious draws, and the worst thing of all she didnt look even fucking botbered in the last, she didnt even try.

Iceland
Jan 22nd, 2010, 10:10 AM
She doesn't even sound disappointed in the interview. No explanation of such a miserable attitude. I left at the right time it seems, I would have been mad to watch such a disaster.
If this is how she plays the few tournaments she has committed to, she better be ready to be kicked out of top 20. Gosh, so much for arriving early in Melbourne, being fresh to eventually get bagelled lamely in the third. :help:
She should reconsider her dumb schedule. She is just inconsistent. If she cannot handle those bad days, she has to play more tournaments. Period. Anyway, she only has to look at who's still in the tournament in her part : Wickmayer, Auckland Champ ; Bondarenko, Hobart Champ ; Hénin Brisbane finalist and Zheng QFist in Hobart.

It is so obvious that playing a warm-up event helps. But she is too proud to admit right now she has done a mistake. She'll realize it later. If she's clever, she'll take a Wc to Paris.

bruce goose
Jan 22nd, 2010, 12:09 PM
And I'll second the earlier comments...while losing to Zheng might be acceptable,losing in such feeble manner is NOT.This is a self-respect/healthy pride issue,and Marion apparently needs MORE:help:

Iceland
Jan 22nd, 2010, 02:08 PM
Well I listened to her two interviews. She repeated a couple of times that she played well but still lost. It is hard for me to understand why she'd say such thing after having won only 4 pts in the decider... but if you think about it, she meant that she played well in the first two. The simple fact that she eluded the 3rd set disaster meant that she had no hope on it. She totally capitulated and doesn't even hide it. :x As much as I love Marion, it is unacceptable to hear this! Where is gone her fighting spirit?

BartoliBabes
Jan 22nd, 2010, 02:30 PM
she gave EVERYTHING she had in sets 1 and 2 and still had no result... she simply had nothing left in the 3rd... overall, i'm pretty happy with her play because Zheng played out of her skin, so congrats to her

Joee
Jan 22nd, 2010, 06:26 PM
Im so disappointed but Zheng was playing really well..so I was told. Lets hope for some better results to come.

Marionated
Jan 22nd, 2010, 06:36 PM
Thankfully I didn't watch the match, but after reading your comments, I'm disgusted with her.
She can fight her heart out in Bejing and Stanford, but tanks slam matches :weirdo:
She goes on about all these goals she wants to achieve i.e reaching the second week of every major and then does this. I really don't understand it at all.

Marionated
Jan 22nd, 2010, 07:45 PM
Oh for fuck sake. She keeps screwing up these glorious draws, and the worst thing of all she didnt look even fucking botbered in the last, she didnt even try.

So it sounds like the Schiavone Wimbledon match.
Apparently she got some bad line calls in the 2nd set but there's no excuse to give up and lose 9 games in a row :help:
And looking at the stats on the websites, Jie's serves were ridiculously slow :o

bruce goose
Jan 22nd, 2010, 09:13 PM
Even though it's frustrating and annoying to see Marion go in the tank in the 3rd set,she's one of the few women who can rise up and surprise you by beating an in-form,top player...even when Marion hasn't been at her best....Just can't throw in the towel on :hearts:Marion:hearts:

Btw,I'm STILL searching for that awesome Zvonareva match(in its entirety).Financial reward is available and I'd appreciate ANY assistance:angel:

Leucoptera
Jan 23rd, 2010, 10:59 AM
Logical R32 defeat in Melbourne: her last 2 tournament were good, and it was about time to go down. :D

This is no shame at all, this is sport. :crazy:

Good luck and strength for the next one, Marion!

Alizé Molik
Jan 23rd, 2010, 11:28 AM
Even though it's frustrating and annoying to see Marion go in the tank in the 3rd set,she's one of the few women who can rise up and surprise you by beating an in-form,top player...even when Marion hasn't been at her best....Just can't throw in the towel on :hearts:Marion:hearts:

Btw,I'm STILL searching for that awesome Zvonareva match(in its entirety).Financial reward is available and I'd appreciate ANY assistance:angel:

yes but that doesn't excuse giving up in grand slam matches. As Ronoc said, she's always talking about her goals, and then she KEEPS DOING THIS. It's very very annoying.

Joee
Jan 23rd, 2010, 12:30 PM
:cry:

bruce goose
Jan 23rd, 2010, 02:10 PM
yes but that doesn't excuse giving up in grand slam matches. As Ronoc said, she's always talking about her goals, and then she KEEPS DOING THIS. It's very very annoying.Yes,I agree with you on the 'giving up' part;I only meant that Marion offers realistic hope of better days ahead,unlike Ana who is in COMPLETE denial and appears to have lost any genuine desire--COMMITMENT--to improve.She acts MUCH more like an immature teenager than a 22-year-old,whereas Marion has a history of being mercurial and she's managed to fight back even from big disappointments

dsanders06
Jan 23rd, 2010, 07:35 PM
I've had a soft spot for Bartoli ever since her Wimbledon run, and it really is a shame to see such a talented player continually treading water. I'm generally not one for this "if only she played at her peak all the time" business - it's impossible for ultra-aggressive players to be at their best all the time. But in saying that, Bartoli's game really isn't *that* high-risk imo (relative to the really aggressive players), so she really should be able to achieve something close to her best level on a more regular basis than she does. I'm not sure she has Slam-winning potential, but she does have potential to do more than she does on hard and grass... but the clock is starting to tick now.

Leucoptera
Jan 28th, 2010, 06:05 PM
So we will remember that Marion lost to an eventual semi-finalist!

It was not a so good draw because there was Zheng.

Marionated
Jan 28th, 2010, 06:35 PM
So we will remember that Marion lost to an eventual semi-finalist!

It was not a so good draw because there was Zheng.

But Marion COULD have been the Semi-finalist.

Zheng, A-Bond and Kirilenko. Marion's best is better than those players. Man she really blew it :help:

Ferg
Jan 28th, 2010, 06:41 PM
Yeah, at first I was pleased that Jie made the semi, for her, but then I think of how it couldve been Marion.

Iceland
Jan 29th, 2010, 06:20 AM
Of course it could have been her if she fought a little bit more.
At least now I have zero expectations for this season. Tanking a Grand Slam made me lose all kind of respect towards her.

bruce goose
Jan 29th, 2010, 12:08 PM
Of course it could have been her if she fought a little bit more.
At least now I have zero expectations for this season. Tanking a Grand Slam made me lose all kind of respect towards her.I'm asking for my own edification,Iceland so....Did you actually watch the match and see a lack of effort from Marion,or are you assuming that she tanked due to her lack of points won??I didn't see that match so that's why I'm asking

Joee
Jan 29th, 2010, 01:21 PM
Im REALLY annoyed that no one even bothered recording any of her matches...

Leucoptera
Jan 29th, 2010, 08:09 PM
I'm asking for my own edification,Iceland so....Did you actually watch the match and see a lack of effort from Marion,or are you assuming that she tanked due to her lack of points won??I didn't see that match so that's why I'm asking


That are the good questions. How could she have tanked this third round match? May be she just ran out of fuel after a tremendous effort in the 2 first sets.

Iceland
Jan 30th, 2010, 07:20 AM
I'm asking for my own edification,Iceland so....Did you actually watch the match and see a lack of effort from Marion,or are you assuming that she tanked due to her lack of points won??I didn't see that match so that's why I'm asking

No, I had to go after the first set. I used comments from people who did watch the stats plus statistics (4pts). Apparently, all her shots went to the bottom of the net. I know when she does it. She has done it so many times. Like the Stanford final, when she wasn't moving for the whole second set. Or the Bali final when all of a sudden, she cannot serve at all. Anyway how can you not win more than 4 points against Zheng with the serve she has?

When she gives up in her mind, she can go that far. I don't believe a word on her being tired. She hasn't played before the AO. THe whole point was to be fresher to go deep in the draw. If she isn't fit enough to have enough energy for 3 matches, maybe she should retire from tennis. Enough of being politically correct.

bruce goose
Jan 30th, 2010, 07:48 AM
No, I had to go after the first set. I used comments from people who did watch the stats plus statistics (4pts). Apparently, all her shots went to the bottom of the net. I know when she does it. She has done it so many times. Like the Stanford final, when she wasn't moving for the whole second set. Or the Bali final when all of a sudden, she cannot serve at all. Anyway how can you not win more than 4 points against Zheng with the serve she has?

When she gives up in her mind, she can go that far. I don't believe a word on her being tired. She hasn't played before the AO. THe whole point was to be fresher to go deep in the draw. If she isn't fit enough to have enough energy for 3 matches, maybe she should retire from tennis. Enough of being politically correct.Yeah,I know you've been a big fan for a while so your criticism has some credibility...and your reasoning is decent.I guess that I wanted to wait a while after the match to ask so that disappointment wouldn't cloud sound thinking....Thanks for your comments:)

Alizé Molik
Jan 31st, 2010, 07:44 AM
No, I had to go after the first set. I used comments from people who did watch the stats plus statistics (4pts). Apparently, all her shots went to the bottom of the net. I know when she does it. She has done it so many times. Like the Stanford final, when she wasn't moving for the whole second set. Or the Bali final when all of a sudden, she cannot serve at all. Anyway how can you not win more than 4 points against Zheng with the serve she has?

When she gives up in her mind, she can go that far. I don't believe a word on her being tired. She hasn't played before the AO. THe whole point was to be fresher to go deep in the draw. If she isn't fit enough to have enough energy for 3 matches, maybe she should retire from tennis. Enough of being politically correct.

This is the point. I know some fans just blindly follow and make up excuses for their favourite's but I know that Marion can do better. I watched the entire match and she gave up in the third set. No profesional player "runs out of steam" playing her third match of the year, and the first one that went to 3 sets! We all love Marion but let's be realistic, the only problem in this match was mental. Let me add to what Antoine said the following; when in Wimbledon she failed to close out the first set at 5-4, she gave up and didn't win another game. In the final of Bali she failed to close out the first set, and then retired injured, even though she was in perfect health for the rest of the tournament. I know we all love her, I have followed her basically since she broke into the top 100 and she has always had this kind of mental, one day she's a fighter, the next she loses it. However over the last two years, she has been doing more of this giving up and retiring than ever. :confused:

leviathane
Jan 31st, 2010, 12:14 PM
This is the point. I know some fans just blindly follow and make up excuses for their favourite's but I know that Marion can do better. I watched the entire match and she gave up in the third set. No profesional player "runs out of steam" playing her third match of the year, and the first one that went to 3 sets! We all love Marion but let's be realistic, the only problem in this match was mental. Let me add to what Antoine said the following; when in Wimbledon she failed to close out the first set at 5-4, she gave up and didn't win another game. In the final of Bali she failed to close out the first set, and then retired injured, even though she was in perfect health for the rest of the tournament. I know we all love her, I have followed her basically since she broke into the top 100 and she has always had this kind of mental, one day she's a fighter, the next she loses it. However over the last two years, she has been doing more of this giving up and retiring than ever. :confused:

+1

I think she has to change her strategy ang play in Paris Coubertin next week.