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Nederlander RUS
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:09 AM
On the Russian tennis forum during this off-season there's an interesting discussion of the movies...

So, some time ago we discussed the movies by Pedro Almodovar (Todo sobre mi madre, Atame, Hable con ella, Abrazos rotos, Volver and Mala Educacion) and one of the participants said that Almodovar is not favourite movie director here in Spain.

Also it was mentioned, that Banderas, Cruz and Bardem are all hated in Spain because they tried to get to Hollywood...

Is it really so? Please, specify your opinion, thanks in advance :worship:

So, please, don't leave this without attention :)

Buena suerte durante OFF-season :)

Nacho
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:24 AM
You know it's the off season when even people like Nederlander RUS start posting off topic threads :lol:

I don't think there's a favourite director here in Spain :shrug: Of course Almodovar is the most known, but there are lots of people who despise him while others adore him. You either love his movies or hate them. Amenabar is the other big name and I'd say he is more well liked

Same with the actors you mentioned. I don't think they are all hated, but if they are it's not because they tried to get to Hollywood, but for their big egos. Since they became hollywood stars they don't come to Spain that often and when they do they are not that nice to the media (except for Banderas, who I'd say he's always been nice to everyone but he is well past his time anyways)

spiceboy
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:29 AM
LOL this poll is actually pretty radical...I like some of his early work, I dispise some, too. Most of his late films are unbearable IMHO, too much for me (and I haven't seen Broken Embraces yet, I have to admit)

My favourite Almodovar films:

1. Qué he hecho yo para merecer esto?
2. Pepi, Luci y Bom
3. Hable con ella

Sonf@
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:34 AM
I agree with Emily. I'll elaborate on it later :lol:

spiceboy
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:35 AM
I agree with Emily. I'll elaborate on it later :lol:

...cos I'm going to finger myself right now, verdad sonfuelińa??? Enjoy! :D

luistf
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:44 AM
LOL this poll is actually pretty radical...I like some of his early work, I dispise some, too. Most of his late films are unbearable IMHO, too much for me (and I haven't seen Broken Embraces yet, I have to admit)

I didn´t like so much. I don´t recommend it, only if you are a Almodovar´s fan.

For his last films, I love Volver, but Bad Education it´s so strange for me. He´s a good director, but here, like other people with succesfull (about all Penelope and Bardem), is very controversial. Antonio Banderas is different. He is most participative and friendly with the press, and his image is better for that. Cruz and Bardem are less closer and they refuse to talk with the yellow press and sometimes this kind of press talk bad for them

Sonf@
Nov 14th, 2009, 12:29 PM
...cos I'm going to finger myself right now, verdad sonfuelińa??? Enjoy! :D


Actually, I was going to do the daily shopping, honey ;)

Let's say that Almodovar is one of those directors that you may like or not, but you'll always feel something about his work.

Here in Spain there are many persons who believe that his trademark characters are trannies, gays and people who are known for being quite liberal with their life (to say the least, lol). This opinion could lead to a distorted point of view since it usually comes from people that hasn't really paid much attention to the content of the movie but only to its superficial elements (I'm not saying that Almodovar is superficial, though :lol: )

When he started recording he was known for being politically incorrect, something that has quite changed over the past years but has remained somehow as his main essence when developing stories. He believed in filming as an expression of art and always tried to get some reaction from the main public.

Like many directors he's had some up and downs ("Kika" is some kind of guilty pleasure for us the fans) but most of his movies have well-worked scripts and above it all, he cares a lot about the photography ("Women on the verge of a nervous breakdown" is a clear example of that, and "What have I done to deserve this?!" too).

The main difference between Almodóvar and Amenábar might be that the first one made himself and the latter is really good at putting into practice all he learned academically.

I personally like Almodóvar better because he has some kind of personal style, while Amenábar seems to conduct his career to a more mainstream area, something that's not bad, though.

oliverbecken
Nov 14th, 2009, 12:56 PM
For me Almodovar is an unusual director, he can mix the deep Spain and its customs with the alternative one (mostly in his 80´s films, cause he takes part in the famous "movida madrileńa" time). I think that here in Spain persons who love Almodovar films are usually from ages to 20 - 40, cause main people over 40-50 feel that his movies are polemics and really strange. Personally I love most of his movies, its environments, quirky characters, convoluted scripts... :hearts:)

My ranking of his movies will be:

1- Mujeres al borde de un ataque de nervios
2- Volver
3- Tacones lejanos
4- Todo sobre mi madre
5- Pepi, Luci y Bom

Javi.
Nov 14th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Unlike many of you, I think Pedro Almodovar's late films are way better that his first films.
For me, Pepi, Luci y Bom, Matador, Laberinto de Pasiones or even Atame are enjoyable trash compared to Volver, Todo sobre mi madre, Hable con ella or even the forgotten La Flor de mi secreto. Not seen Los Abrazos Rotos yet.

Of course, Mujeres al borde de un ataque de nervios is awesome.

FrOzon
Nov 14th, 2009, 07:22 PM
LOL this poll is actually pretty radical...I like some of his early work, I dispise some, too. Most of his late films are unbearable IMHO, too much for me (and I haven't seen Broken Embraces yet, I have to admit)


"Broken Embraces" is great! (Don't know why his films should be unbearable :eek:)
I really love them.

Speaking about Spanish directors, I'd also mention Julio Medem...

Uge
Nov 15th, 2009, 12:34 AM
I agree with Spice! I like some of the films, but not every of them! I think my favourites are "Hable con Ella" and "Volver". Anyway, I dont hate him, of course, so I will go for "I like" in the poll!!!

Nederlander RUS
Nov 15th, 2009, 10:45 AM
My favourite is "Volver" and "Broken embraces", but I haven't seen all his movies

carlasuarezfan
Nov 15th, 2009, 10:50 AM
Todo sobre mi madre, Los abarazos rotos y Kika

Alberto
Nov 15th, 2009, 01:11 PM
All about my mother is his best film so far

Sonf@
Nov 15th, 2009, 02:53 PM
indeed :hearts:

propi
Nov 15th, 2009, 04:19 PM
Almodóvar, Yes, of course :worship:
And, as my favourite films of him happen to be his darkest ones (Mala Educación, Carne trémula), I guess I will enjoy with Los abrazos rotos, if the show it on cinemas here before I leave the country :rolleyes:

jjlove
Nov 17th, 2009, 09:08 AM
Almodóvar, Yes, of course :worship:
And, as my favourite films of him happen to be his darkest ones (Mala Educación, Carne trémula), I guess I will enjoy with Los abrazos rotos, if the show it on cinemas here before I leave the country :rolleyes:

Then let me doubt you will like it, it has nothing to do with those two films. Personally those two are my least liked two movies of Almodovar. Mujeres..., Que he hecho yo..., Todo sobre mi madre and Volver are my favourite ones.

propi
Nov 17th, 2009, 03:15 PM
Then let me doubt you will like it, it has nothing to do with those two films. Personally those two are my least liked two movies of Almodovar. Mujeres..., Que he hecho yo..., Todo sobre mi madre and Volver are my favourite ones.
I read somewhere critics said LAR was one of his most noirish films so I guessed I would like it; more considering that I didn't enjoy others like Hable con ella :o who seems to be most of people's fave along with Todo sobre mi madre (which I liked a lot except some parts at the end) :)

jjlove
Nov 17th, 2009, 03:24 PM
The part that Toni Cantó appears I suppose :devil: It's the only objection I would put to that movie.

propi
Nov 17th, 2009, 03:32 PM
The part that Toni Cantó appears I suppose :devil: It's the only objection I would put to that movie.
Yep, that is, but on the other hand it leads to one of the most impressive sentences I've ever heard in a film when Manuela said something like "You are not a human being, Lola. You are an epidemic." :worship:

jjlove
Nov 17th, 2009, 03:53 PM
Yes, but she could have said it to at least an average actor instead of to that joke of an actor.

propi
Nov 17th, 2009, 03:57 PM
Yes, but she could have said it to at least an average actor instead of to that joke of an actor.
Well we don't agree as I don't consider Toni Cantó an actor :p :lol: