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LightWarrior
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:06 AM
I remember that last year men 's YEC was the week after women's. This year it is 3 weeks after. Totally unfair.

Hurley
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:09 AM
Unfair because...the tours have nothing to do with each other? And, thus, you mean "not unfair due to their respective irrelevance"?

LightWarrior
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:14 AM
Unfair because...the tours have nothing to do with each other? And, thus, you mean "not unfair due to their respective irrelevance"?

I love your cynicism. "Nothing to do with each other". Well it's the same, except that they are men and the others are women.:help:

In The Zone
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:16 AM
You have yet to explain why it is unfair.

LightWarrior
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:18 AM
You have yet to explain why it is unfair.

Oh come on it is so obvious. Less rest, therefore less preperation for AO.

debopero
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:21 AM
The WTA and ATP are independent of each other.

nevetssllim
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:22 AM
Oh come on it is so obvious. Less rest, therefore less preperation for AO.

Yes, I take your point that it must be hard for the guys to have such a long season but it's hardly unfair because it's not like the men and women are in competition with each other. :confused:

Harvs
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:23 AM
lol the tours have NOTHING to do with each other. the calendars are totally seperate besides the slams and a few dual tournaments..

LightWarrior
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:27 AM
Are you all lesbians or what ??? Geezzzz

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:30 AM
I understand you nothingfails999, I don't know why other posters are acting so :silly:.

It's UNFAIR because the men will have less of an off season. It's not the WTA's fault in anyway, but it's unfair that men have to play longer. I don't know why that is hard to grasp... then again this is TF...

Joana
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:31 AM
Oh come on it is so obvious. Less rest, therefore less preperation for AO.

OK, so if WTA gets cancelled, would it be unfair that men still have to play tennis? :confused:

LightWarrior
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:34 AM
OK, so if WTA gets cancelled, would it be unfair that men still have to play tennis? :confused:

And if you happen to die will human race survive ?

KournikovaFan91
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:00 AM
I understand you nothingfails999, I don't know why other posters are acting so :silly:.

It's UNFAIR because the men will have less of an off season. It's not the WTA's fault in anyway, but it's unfair that men have to play longer. I don't know why that is hard to grasp... then again this is TF...

How is it unfair, they can take that up with their tour fair and unfair only becomes an issue if the tours come together e.g Slams.

Joana
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:10 AM
And if you happen to die will human race survive ?

No. Après moi, le déluge.

mckyle.
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:15 AM
The women wanted a longer off-season so the tour gave it to them.

If the men wanted a longer off-season, the ATP would probably give it to them, but I guess they don't mind, so they play longer.

Broseghini
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:17 AM
Why calendar will be very hard next year :devil:

Leo_DFP
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:28 AM
The women wanted a longer off-season so the tour gave it to them.

If the men wanted a longer off-season, the ATP would probably give it to them, but I guess they don't mind, so they play longer.

:lol:

How simple-minded are we on this forum.

Of course the men want a longer off-season and of course they have asked for it many times. So have the women.

The look of the Asian tour for the men since the US Open has been abysmal, although of course not as bad as the post-USO WTA. But the ATP has other people to appease than just the players, and this includes sponsors and current tournament holders. The WTA simply made a move before the ATP to shorten their season. We will see if and when the ATP decides to cut back.

mckyle.
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:32 AM
:lol:

How simple-minded are we on this forum.

Of course the men want a longer off-season and of course they have asked for it many times. So have the women.

The look of the Asian tour for the men since the US Open has been abysmal, although of course not as bad as the post-USO WTA. But the ATP has other people to appease than just the players, and this includes sponsors and current tournament holders. The WTA simply made a move before the ATP to shorten their season. We will see if and when the ATP decides to cut back.

This is just not true.

MBM
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:37 AM
And if you happen to die will human race survive ?

that wasn't cool...

Hurley
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:41 AM
Epicfails999 is never cool.

So it's not fair for...the men? Then...I think this thread was posted on the wrong forum. Try http://www.menstennisforums.com/ :speakles:

Meanwhile, it's still irrelevant. If you think the men are overplaying, the length of the women's season still has LITERALLY nothing to do with that.

Leo_DFP
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:46 AM
This is just not true.

Excuse me? The men have complained and asked for a shorter season. It is true. Stick to women's tennis, buddy.

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:49 AM
How is it unfair, they can take that up with their tour fair and unfair only becomes an issue if the tours come together e.g Slams.

They HAVE taken it up with their tour for a few years now actually.

And there isn't just one dimension to something seeming/feeiling unfair, so this doesn't have to be about the tours 'coming together'. The ATP players, who have been complaining about the length of the tour, will be playing on knowing that women will have something close to a proper off season and they won't. Knowing that the women tennis players have been heard to some extent and that THEY have not.

It's sort of like a child in the third world with only flies and twigs to eat looking across the pond at an obese toddler and thinking life is unfair. It's really about where you chose to position your perception and which words to feel best express the feeling.

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:51 AM
:lol:

How simple-minded are we on this forum.

Of course the men want a longer off-season and of course they have asked for it many times. So have the women.

The look of the Asian tour for the men since the US Open has been abysmal, although of course not as bad as the post-USO WTA. But the ATP has other people to appease than just the players, and this includes sponsors and current tournament holders. The WTA simply made a move before the ATP to shorten their season. We will see if and when the ATP decides to cut back.

You tell em Leo. Spot on again, like you where about that irrelevant Jankovic character :lol:

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:55 AM
Epicfails999 is never cool.

So it's not fair for...the men? Then...I think this thread was posted on the wrong forum. Try http://www.menstennisforums.com/ :speakles:

Meanwhile, it's still irrelevant. If you think the men are overplaying, the length of the women's season still has LITERALLY nothing to do with that.

You people are so inhumane sometimes :sad:. The comparison is not about relevance of influence. It's like seeing a fit 25 woman have her bags carried for her, across the street from a 75 year old lady lugging around 20 heavy bags of shopping. That negative emotions that I assume most people feel seeing that can be described by some as 'UNFAIR'. Well, except posters on here who have stones for hearts :sobbing:

Hurley
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:59 AM
You people are so inhumane sometimes :sad:. The comparison is not about relevance of influence. It's like seeing a fit 25 woman have her bags carried for her, across the street from a 75 year old lady lugging around 20 heavy bags of shopping. That negative emotions that I assume most people feel seeing that can be described by some as 'UNFAIR'. Well, except posters on here who have stones for hearts :sobbing:

But the thread is about the comparison between the two dates. One has no effect upon the other. I know the ATP players have very very very very very very very very rough lives, but if they want an off-season, they could either fight for one or damn hell ass retire.

Whether the SEWTA Golden Flower Championships are 3 weeks after, 20 weeks after, or 92 days before the ATP Golden Dong Round Robin Crapfestica has NOTHING to do with anything related to the poor injured sexy tennis boys.

WowWow
Oct 25th, 2009, 02:09 AM
Yes, it's so fucking unfair, they should reduce prize money for women by half, due to this disgrace:rolleyes:


Just get over it. Jeez.

Wannabeknowitall
Oct 25th, 2009, 02:20 AM
I understand you nothingfails999, I don't know why other posters are acting so :silly:.

It's UNFAIR because the men will have less of an off season. It's not the WTA's fault in anyway, but it's unfair that men have to play longer. I don't know why that is hard to grasp... then again this is TF...

It's not unfair.
The ATP world tour feels that it needs two 1000 ATP tournaments in the last month in Asia and Europe to make things interesting in their year ending championships.
The WTA does not.
When those two tournis were Madrid and Paris, it made it easier to have them separated by just one week.
Now with them being Shanghai and Paris, it's really tough to ask players to play two deep tournaments like that.
They have no choice but to separate them by two weeks and even with that separation, players on the ATP tour are complaining.

Well tough. The majority wanted another top clay tournament that would take the place of Hamburg and this is what comes from that action.
Honestly I don't know why you felt you had to take a stab at the tennisforum.
There was a logical explanation for the question as you can see.
It's a bit tasteless to be honest.

Wawrinka's ass.

Harvs
Oct 25th, 2009, 02:50 AM
this thread is stupid lol. idiottttt

Leo_DFP
Oct 25th, 2009, 03:10 AM
I agree with basically everyone in here besides Marshmallow. It's a tasteless and irrelevent question and it would have been acceptable to delete this thread.

tennnisfannn
Oct 25th, 2009, 05:35 AM
well they get paid more at all the non slam events, they can earn it!!!
The women need an extra week to catch up with their menstrual cycles.
Players like Sam stosur need the extra week to play both Doha and Bali.
The extra time prevents Radek from canoodling with one of our women, we all know how disastrous that can be.
all that and those two tours are irrlevant to each other, the ATP slings the mud, the WTA go into retirement

serenafan08
Oct 25th, 2009, 05:43 AM
Epicfails999 is never cool.

:rolls: :haha: :yeah: Nice.

The Kaz
Oct 25th, 2009, 06:26 AM
Another quality thread from alwaysfails999 :worship:

Pops Maellard
Oct 25th, 2009, 07:22 AM
Even with a longer off-season the women still suck compared to the men, so who cares? :confused:

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 25th, 2009, 08:06 AM
WTA season should be ending a month later too
with a proper indoor season

not the crapfest we have now.

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 25th, 2009, 08:14 AM
Well, the way WTA has become now, I think it's better the season ends earlier for the girls.:tape:

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 11:51 AM
It's not unfair.
The ATP world tour feels that it needs two 1000 ATP tournaments in the last month in Asia and Europe to make things interesting in their year ending championships.
The WTA does not.
When those two tournis were Madrid and Paris, it made it easier to have them separated by just one week.
Now with them being Shanghai and Paris, it's really tough to ask players to play two deep tournaments like that.
They have no choice but to separate them by two weeks and even with that separation, players on the ATP tour are complaining.

Well tough. The majority wanted another top clay tournament that would take the place of Hamburg and this is what comes from that action.
Honestly I don't know why you felt you had to take a stab at the tennisforum.
There was a logical explanation for the question as you can see.
It's a bit tasteless to be honest.

Wawrinka's ass.

But Wannabe what do you mean 'Well tough' - that's where the issue is. The issue is the ATP season is too long and the players have been saying that for a LONG time, Safin for years. Putting the ATP and WTA side by side doesn't have to be about arguing that women are having an unfair advantage over men in some way, but it just highlights that the ATP season is too long. The WTA season was almost as long for a long time too but some change has come their way. A desired change that hasn't come for the men. There was even speculation that some of those 8 retirements in Shanghai )already missing the world number one who decided to shorten his season by skipping the Asian Swing), were protests.

As for the 'logical' explanation around practicality of change doesn't change the main issue of the season being too long.

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:00 PM
I agree with basically everyone in here besides Marshmallow. It's a tasteless and irrelevent question and it would have been acceptable to delete this thread.

:spit: :rolls:

WTA season should be ending a month later too
with a proper indoor season

not the crapfest we have now.

No the season was too long before, it's time tennis like most other sports had a proper off season. And in another thread just posted in GM, Radwanska is saying the WTA season is still a bit too long as it is.

well they get paid more at all the non slam events, they can earn it!!!
The women need an extra week to catch up with their menstrual cycles.
Players like Sam stosur need the extra week to play both Doha and Bali.
The extra time prevents Radek from canoodling with one of our women, we all know how disastrous that can be.
all that and those two tours are irrlevant to each other, the ATP slings the mud, the WTA go into retirement

:lol: Too much.