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jrollaneres25
Oct 22nd, 2009, 07:35 PM
Todd Goldman is the Publisher & Editor In Chief for TennisLife Magazine.

As a tennis fan, I look foward to all the latest tennis magazines that are published monthly.

This month however, there is a fire brewing inside of me as I read this article he wrote about Serena Williams.

Enjoy.



Revealing True Nature
Todd Goldman


It has been said many different ways, but no matter how you put it: When the chips are down, that is clearly when true character is revealed. Nobody has shown this more frequently or on as large of a stage recently as Serena Williams.

While some may want to give her the benefit of the doubt or just write off what happened at this year's US Open as an anomaly or as a competitor who was "in the heat of battle," those people have lost the plot.

Serena has never been a gracious loser. Her bad behavior during her semifinal at this year's Open was not the first time she has shown her nasty and disrespectful side. But there was something different about this year's Open that is a new low even for Serena. I believe her abuse and threatening of the official was completely calculated. She knew she was about to lose, that Kim Clijsters had outplayed her, and insteadof giving her opponent the stage, she stole the moment from Kim, the fans and the tennis world. Think about it-in the week after the Open, what were people talking about more: Clijsters' win, or Williams' meltdown?

This should have been a wonderful moment for tennis fans to embrace-Kim Clijsters, one of this sport's most amazing and gracious competitors, coming back to tennis and running through the US Open draw in just her third tournament-and Serena knew exactly what would happen when she threatened the lineswoman, and she got exactly what she wanted. Now, she can say she didn't "lose" the match, but that it was taken from her.

There's no question that the Williams sisters have done amazing things for tennis-challenging the conventions in the sport, dominating the pro game, and playing aggresive and exciting tennis. But like all things that are popular, something else will always come along and replace them. At this year's Open, there clearly was a change, as Melanie Oudin, Caroline Wozniacki and Kim Clijsters all became fan favorites. When Clijsters played Venus earlier in the tournament, the mostly American crowd was clearly rooting for the Belgian, and when she won, the sound was deafening.

But now fast forward to Saturday night after the Serena-Clijsters semi. At the post-match press conference Williams was flippant and unapologetic, and even 24 hours later she put out a statement with an explanation about the situation, but that lacked an apology. It wasn't until two days after the incident-and no doubt prompted by agents, lawyers, sponsors and probably many others-that she actually issued a statement of apology to the lineswoman, to Clijsters and to the fans.

At this year's Open, Serena showed the tennis world what she is all about: selfish, arrogant, disrespectful and unapologetic. No matter how much of a competitor you are (and I live in a household full of them), revealing a poor character will, in the end, be remembered much longer than who won the match.

PS: And to John McEnroe: You were guilty of far more than this during your playing days, so maybe that is why you are cutting Serena some slack here. But when it comes to calling foot faults, you are way off base. You, and a few other former pros (to be fair), have repeatedlt said foot faults shouldn't be called on critical points. that's just stupid. it's a rule for everybody and for every point-if someone steps on or over that line, it's a fault. When would you call a foot fault, when they are 4 feet inside the line? John, you cannot be serious.


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Slutiana
Oct 22nd, 2009, 07:37 PM
Oh for fuck sake, move on people. :lol: Move on.

jrollaneres25
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:18 PM
Oh for fuck sake, move on people. :lol: Move on.

Well, this magazine was just released because I just got it in the mail. So I WOULD like to move on, but it's people like this, _______ America (you fill in the blank), who is keeping the heat on Serena, where it doesn't belong.

He is completely out of line with this article:o

Kipling
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:31 PM
I said this as soon as it happened. It was a ready made excuse for her--default herself out of a match she was losing to stroke her ego. Not only that, despite losing, she managed to obnoxiously make herself the center of attention anyway. I've seen nothing in her reactions that changes that opinion. And moreover, there's no doubt she was coerced into making a second statement. That sure as hell didn't come of her own accord.

Goldman is spot on. Good for him.

V's a star
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:32 PM
wat a crock of shit. Like Serena "calculated" she wud be foot faulted on the second last point :rolleyes:

kiwifan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:39 PM
Bullshit. :)

Look at Serena's "match point down" history alone and you know that this is bullshit. :lol:

Look at Serena's "match point down" history against Kim alone and you know that this is bullshit. :tape:

Done. :yawn:

Tamus
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:40 PM
I believe her abuse and threatening of the official was completely calculated.

So we're supposed to believe that Serena knew in advance that when she was two points from defeat, she would get a controversial lines call, and then she purposely received a point penalty just to "steal" Kim's moment? Maybe it's all just one big conspiracy and Serena actually planted the lineswoman to make that call. :rolleyes:

This Todd Goldman guy is a complete tool.

BournemouthBoy
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:41 PM
i stopped reading at the calculated comment, the match was in the balance at that point, she was only a 2 or 3 points from being level in the set.

Tamus
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:42 PM
Well, this magazine was just released because I just got it in the mail. So I WOULD like to move on, but it's people like this, _______ America (you fill in the blank), who is keeping the heat on Serena, where it doesn't beling.

He is completely out of line with this article:o

Don't make this a race issue because it isn't.

ZODIAC
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:44 PM
typical Rush Limbaugh madness,American media has gone bonkers from birthers,conservatives and sports media...all he want is a Serena lynching and he will sleep better.

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:45 PM
Todd Goldman......

Serena has never been a gracious loser.



Jimmy Connors: "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."

Lucemferre
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:51 PM
Jimmy Connors: "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."

:worship:

Lucemferre
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:53 PM
So we're supposed to believe that Serena knew in advance that when she was two points from defeat, she would get a controversial lines call, and then she purposely received a point penalty just to "steal" Kim's moment? Maybe it's all just one big conspiracy and Serena actually planted the lineswoman to make that call. :rolleyes:

This Todd Goldman guy is a complete tool.

This douchebag can't help it.His blatant bias against Serena is disgusting.

ZODIAC
Oct 22nd, 2009, 08:56 PM
This magazine has been anti-Williams since they came on tour,I remember there was grumplings at one point about why he didnt put Venus on the cover after she won Wimbledon 05.He is the biggest hater of the sisters for a long time....

Caillou
Oct 22nd, 2009, 09:03 PM
I said this as soon as it happened. It was a ready made excuse for her--default herself out of a match she was losing to stroke her ego. Not only that, despite losing, she managed to obnoxiously make herself the center of attention anyway. I've seen nothing in her reactions that changes that opinion. And moreover, there's no doubt she was coerced into making a second statement. That sure as hell didn't come of her own accord.

Goldman is spot on. Good for him.

I can read different opinions and accept them as long as they have good justifications. Your post however, was completely biased and so just plain stupid. Do you even know who serena williams is? At the aussie open in 2003, serena was down 1-5 to kim in the third, how did she react? Not to mention the countless other times she came back from matches, including match point down against dementieva this year (at the same stage in a slam). She didn't make herself the centre of attention, idiots like you make her the centre of attention.

Won't even bother reading the article..just a waste of time, the whole insulting serena thing is getting old. She doesn't give a shit about these idiots that write about her, neither do I anymore.

serenafan08
Oct 22nd, 2009, 09:10 PM
:lol: People just won't let her rest. If he's so mad that she got all the attention following that match, why is he feeding her more? Hmmm...

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 09:16 PM
:lol: People just won't let her rest. If he's so mad that she got all the attention following that match, why is he feeding her more? Hmmm...
The funny thing about all this is that with each negative article these characters are making an even bigger star out of her than she already was. :lol:

Vlover
Oct 22nd, 2009, 09:24 PM
Seems like he was in a such a great hurry to get his venom going so he couldn't concoct a better story than this :bs: Obviously he is unaware of Serena surviving being down at the AO and Wimbledon in her semi matches and came back and won the tournaments.:tape:

MBM
Oct 22nd, 2009, 09:29 PM
shit stirrer who apparently needed all this time to put together a single article! bravo.

we'll grade it and send it back to you. but I wouldn't expect it to be scored too highly as you appear to be ill-informed, prejudiced and irrational in your analysis on that night in New York, we were looking for a fair, balanced argument. toddy, toddy, toddy... what will we do with you?

jrollaneres25, how could you share this fool's opinion with us!? lolz.

youizahoe
Oct 22nd, 2009, 09:36 PM
Where can we contact that whore, I'm gonna send send him tennis balls and a dildo to shove it up his whatever :o :o :o

Marty-Dom
Oct 22nd, 2009, 09:52 PM
Bullshit. :)

Look at Serena's "match point down" history alone and you know that this is bullshit. :lol:

Look at Serena's "match point down" history against Kim alone and you know that this is bullshit. :tape:

Done. :yawn:

Thank you!

Denise4925
Oct 22nd, 2009, 09:57 PM
So we're supposed to believe that Serena knew in advance that when she was two points from defeat, she would get a controversial lines call, and then she purposely received a point penalty just to "steal" Kim's moment? Maybe it's all just one big conspiracy and Serena actually planted the lineswoman to make that call. :rolleyes:

This Todd Goldman guy is a complete tool.

:worship::worship::worship:

He's not a credible or any sort of sports journalist is he? This is just a blogger, right? :lol:

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:01 PM
:worship::worship::worship:

He's not a credible or any sort of sports journalist is he? This is just a blogger, right? :lol:
:wavey: Hi Denise. :hug:

Denise4925
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:04 PM
Hi Chrissie-fan :wavey: :hug:

Opps, my bad confusing you with someone else. Sorry. :o

youizahoe
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:06 PM
Paul what an old belgian name :L

kiwifan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:08 PM
Jimmy Connors: "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."

There's a reason he's my all time fave. :devil: :worship: :devil:

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:09 PM
Paul what an old belgian name :L
Almost as old as, say, Gaston in fact. :lol:

Denise4925
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:10 PM
Paul what an old belgian name :L

It is?? That was my dad's name. :)

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:15 PM
There's a reason he's my all time fave. :devil: :worship: :devil:
Jimbo was dynamite. An "over my death body" type of player. :worship:

wildemu
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:15 PM
serena definitely isn't gracious and is an arrogant player, but her actions were not calculated.

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:17 PM
Hi Chrissie-fan :wavey: :hug:

Opps, my bad confusing you with someone else. Sorry. :o
No problem sweetie - it happens to the best of us. My employer for whatever reason occasionally still refers to me as Oscar, and I've been working for him for 18 years. :lol:

barmaid
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:23 PM
I said this as soon as it happened. It was a ready made excuse for her--default herself out of a match she was losing to stroke her ego. Not only that, despite losing, she managed to obnoxiously make herself the center of attention anyway. I've seen nothing in her reactions that changes that opinion. And moreover, there's no doubt she was coerced into making a second statement. That sure as hell didn't come of her own accord.

Goldman is spot on. Good for him.

While I don't think the outburst was pre-orchestrated:fiery: it did show us a "gutterlike quality" that Venus for instance has never shown...Serena has to live with her "brazen and shoddy words" and the many apologetic things she had to say afterwards are but hollow excuses.:help:

Barmaid:wavey:

barmaid
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:26 PM
Where can we contact that whore, I'm gonna send send him tennis balls and a dildo to shove it up his whatever :o :o :o

That is soooooo "Serena" like, she'd be proud of you!:devil:

Barmaid:fiery:

thrust
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:33 PM
Jimmy Connors: "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."

Jimmy Connors - Another graceless, obnoxious American Tennis Champion.

Denise4925
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:37 PM
No problem sweetie - it happens to the best of us. My employer for whatever reason occasionally still refers to me as Oscar, and I've been working for him for 18 years. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

Denise4925
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:39 PM
While I don't think the outburst was pre-orchestrated:fiery: it did show us a "gutterlike quality" that Venus for instance has never shown...Serena has to live with her "brazen and shoddy words" and the many apologetic things she had to say afterwards are but hollow excuses.:help:

Barmaid:wavey:

"Gutterlike quality" as in snorting cocaine for instance? :confused: Just like I assume Martina is living her her "brazen and shoddy words", although she didn't apologize ever.

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:39 PM
Jimmy Connors - Another graceless, obnoxious American Tennis Champion.
You make that sound as though it's a bad thing. :lol:

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:45 PM
"Gutterlike quality" as in snorting cocaine for instance? :confused:
Nah, Martina was great, Denise. The old battles of the Williams sisters vs Hingis are a part of the legacy of all three players. ;)

Denise4925
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:46 PM
Nah, Martina was great, Denise. The old battles of the Williams sisters vs Hingis are a part of the legacy of all three players. ;)

Just sayin... you can't live in a glass house and throw stones. :shrug:

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 10:49 PM
Just sayin... you can't live in a glass house and throw stones. :shrug:
I know, but I've always been a Hingis fan, so I had to say something. You would (and have) done the same for Serena. ;)

Denise4925
Oct 22nd, 2009, 11:35 PM
I know, but I've always been a Hingis fan, so I had to say something. You would (and have) done the same for Serena. ;)

Yeah, that's why I responded because what barmaid said was nasty and unnecessary. I don't have a beef with you or Martina. :shrug: I was just showing barmaid and any Hingis fan here who agreed with her on the "gutterlike" comment, how the sword can cut both ways.

jefrilibra
Oct 22nd, 2009, 11:41 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_35kDzNt-gTQ/RpmeXjcag9I/AAAAAAAAACE/Bpo04QrGBvc/s320/dead+horse.gif

Chrissie-fan
Oct 22nd, 2009, 11:45 PM
Yeah, that's why I responded because what barmaid said was nasty and unnecessary. I don't have a beef with you or Martina. :shrug: I was just showing barmaid and any Hingis fan here who agreed with her on the "gutterlike" comment, how the sword can cut both ways.
I have no beef with you either. I love you, remember? :lol: And I think that I feel sorta about Serena like I suspect you do about Martina: We're not fans of each others favorite here, but there is a lot of respect there. To tell you the truth - Serena is growing on me. Probably because of the haters. Same thing with Wozniacki. When people start beating up on a player I automatically feel sorry for her and start rooting for her.

But anyway, I think you're cool and I like you, but I'm sure you know that. ;)

dreamgoddess099
Oct 22nd, 2009, 11:49 PM
It has been said many different ways, but no matter how you put it: When the chips are down, that is clearly when true character is revealed. Nobody has shown this more frequently or on as large of a stage recently as Serena Williams.

If he truly believed that then there is no way he would accuse her of causing a scene just because she was two points away from losing. I don't think this dude knows what the hell he believes.

But there was something different about this year's Open that is a new low even for Serena. I believe her abuse and threatening of the official was completely calculated. She knew she was about to lose, that Kim Clijsters had outplayed her, and insteadof giving her opponent the stage, she stole the moment from Kim, the fans and the tennis world. Think about it-in the week after the Open, what were people talking about more: Clijsters' win, or Williams' meltdown?

Does this dude know Serena's MO at all? Hello, the woman has won more slams after facing match point in the history of the women' game, possibly the men' too. Serena's nothing if not a fighter. His whole theory is illogical. If she had accepted defeat and believed she was about to lose then she wouldn't have been so upset about losing that point. Boy I tell ya, some people.

This should have been a wonderful moment for tennis fans to embrace-Kim Clijsters, one of this sport's most amazing and gracious competitors, coming back to tennis

Oh, so that's why he's so mad at Serena and apparently his motive for this dumb conspiracy theory.:lol:

Serena knew exactly what would happen when she threatened the lineswoman, and she got exactly what she wanted.

Oh God!!! Am I the only one dying of laughter here? :haha:
I'm convinced, this must be a comedy piece because it's far too hilarious to take seriously. :lol:

Now, she can say she didn't "lose" the match, but that it was taken from her.
To bad she hasn't said that. :p

There's no question that the Williams sisters have done amazing things for tennis-challenging the conventions in the sport, dominating the pro game, and playing aggresive and exciting tennis. But like all things that are popular, something else will always come along and replace them. At this year's Open, there clearly was a change, as Melanie Oudin, Caroline Wozniacki and Kim Clijsters all became fan favorites.
Maybe he wouldn't be so pissed if he wasn't so eager to replace the Williams. :lol:

When Clijsters played Venus earlier in the tournament, the mostly American crowd was clearly rooting for the Belgian, and when she won, the sound was deafening.
Just the fact that he would be celebrating something like that shows his true colors.


At this year's Open, Serena showed the tennis world what she is all about: selfish, arrogant, disrespectful and unapologetic. Good for her because the tennis establishment is the exact same way. But most of all they are the most ungrateful sport ever.


She didn't make herself the centre of attention, idiots like you make her the centre of attention.


And tennis will capitalize off that attention the most, and yet they will still be ungrateful.

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:08 AM
I have no beef with you either. I love you, remember? :lol: And I think that I feel sorta about Serena like I suspect you do about Martina: We're not fans of each others favorite here, but there is a lot of respect there. To tell you the truth - Serena is growing on me. Probably because of the haters. Same thing with Wozniacki. When people start beating up on a player I automatically feel sorry for her and start rooting for her.

But anyway, I think you're cool and I like you, but I'm sure you know that. ;)

:lol: :hug: You're so sweet. I love you too. There is a lot of respect between us. I'm keeping it that way. :hug:

Justin SW
Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:10 AM
Where can we contact that whore, I'm gonna send send him tennis balls and a dildo to shove it up his whatever :o :o :o

I did send him something like that :p. Go on the Tennis Life website youll find ;)

barmaid
Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:32 AM
"Gutterlike quality" as in snorting cocaine for instance? :confused: Just like I assume Martina is living her her "brazen and shoddy words", although she didn't apologize ever.
Martina may have shown her "bratty" moments on court but they "pale" in comparison to Serena's despicable tirade....what else would you call the language she used?:p Your own lowlife vocabulary just makes it invisable to see that it does indeed belong in the "gutter".:rolleyes: Its pointless to try and defend Serena...it is preserved for eternity on camera and tapes...the same as the "trumped up charge" Martina is allegedly charged with.

Barmaid

Chrissie-fan
Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:46 AM
Martina may have shown her "bratty" moments on court but they "pale" in comparison to Serena's dispicable tirate....what else would you call the language she used?:p Your own lowlife vocabulary just makes it invisable to see that it does indeed belong in the "gutter".:rolleyes: Its pointless to try and defend Serena...it is preserved for eternity on camera and tapes...the same as the "trumped up charge" Martina is allegedly charged with.

Barmaid
Serena and Hingis are two of the greatest players in recent history. All that "she did this or that" stuff is barely even a footnote in history compared to their achievements.

youizahoe
Oct 23rd, 2009, 01:17 AM
Almost as old as, say, Gaston in fact. :lol:

Gaston berghmans :sobbing:

It is?? That was my dad's name. :)

In Belgium yes, I think it dates back from well before the middle ages :lol:

That is soooooo "Serena" like, she'd be proud of you!:devil:

Barmaid:fiery:

You don't know me :ras:

I did send him something like that :p. Go on the Tennis Life website youll find ;)

Link me :lol:

Chrissie-fan
Oct 23rd, 2009, 01:20 AM
Gaston berghmans :sobbing:

:bolt:

youizahoe
Oct 23rd, 2009, 01:22 AM
What he was so funny :(

The Kaz
Oct 23rd, 2009, 01:31 AM
:worship: Finally someone spoke the truth :D

Chrissie-fan
Oct 23rd, 2009, 01:32 AM
What he was so funny :(
According to some, yes. I'm not of them. Berghmans is often overacting - but he has his (for my taste) mildly amusing moments.

Lindsayfan32
Oct 23rd, 2009, 02:48 AM
I like this Todd Goodman. He's telling it as it is. He illstrates my point of why Serena has to be suspended perfectly. The orginal poster is a Serena fan and the truth hurts doesn't it? Serena knew what she was doing saying she didn't is a load of crap. The ITF need to hurry up and hand down their punishment so we can move on. They also have to make sure the punishment fits the crime and that the crime has already been deemed a major offence so suspension is the only way to go.

ZODIAC
Oct 23rd, 2009, 02:53 AM
I like this Todd Goodman. He's telling it as it is. He illstrates my point of why Serena has to be suspended perfectly. The orginal poster is a Serena fan and the truth hurts doesn't it? Serena knew what she was doing saying she didn't is a load of crap. The ITF need to hurry up and hand down their punishment so we can move on. They also have to make sure the punishment fits the crime and that the crime has already been deemed a major offence so suspension is the only way to go.you must be this Toad Goldpus character:devil:

Infiniti2001
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:20 AM
I like this Todd Goodman. He's telling it as it is. He illstrates my point of why Serena has to be suspended perfectly. The orginal poster is a Serena fan and the truth hurts doesn't it? Serena knew what she was doing saying she didn't is a load of crap. The ITF need to hurry up and hand down their punishment so we can move on. They also have to make sure the punishment fits the crime and that the crime has already been deemed a major offence so suspension is the only way to go.


I'm not a Serena fan, but I'd like to see you kill yourself when she gets to play at the Australian Open 2010 :help:

jrollaneres25
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:40 AM
Don't make this a race issue because it isn't.

I think it is, and I don't often do, but that's just my opinion, that's not changing anytime soon:o

jrollaneres25
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:52 AM
Where can we contact that whore, I'm gonna send send him tennis balls and a dildo to shove it up his whatever :o :o :o

:worship:

I was soooo mad when I read the article this morning.

And he had the nerve to put his pasty white face( no offense to white people, my best friend is white..just venting) on the cover of the article.
:o

jrollaneres25
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:56 AM
No problem sweetie - it happens to the best of us. My employer for whatever reason occasionally still refers to me as Oscar, and I've been working for him for 18 years. :lol:

:haha::haha:

How embarrassing!:lol:

jrollaneres25
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:58 AM
You make that sound as though it's a bad thing. :lol:

:worship::lol:

AcesHigh
Oct 23rd, 2009, 04:20 AM
Why'd you post the article if you're a Serena fan. If I was a fan of Serena, I wouldnt have even read that trash.

jrollaneres25
Oct 23rd, 2009, 04:25 AM
Why'd you post the article if you're a Serena fan. If I was a fan of Serena, I wouldnt have even read that trash.

You're right, ut I was just soo upset. I needed some other opinions

Lindsayfan32
Oct 23rd, 2009, 09:39 AM
Why'd you post the article if you're a Serena fan. If I was a fan of Serena, I wouldnt have even read that trash.

It's not trash it's truthful writing and being entitiled to voice one's opinon. But you're right about one thing why would a Serena fan post it as the truth does really hurt right?

SU
Oct 23rd, 2009, 10:06 AM
It's not trash it's truthful writing and being entitiled to voice one's opinon. But you're right about one thing why would a Serena fan post it as the truth does really hurt right?

You are so mean on your writing and your words are so full of hate, that's becouse of Serena's dominance over Lindse or a pure insight admiration that you don't want to accept?

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2009, 12:38 PM
It's all good. When you mess up, I guess these are the results/consequences. Fine to me..but I do have one but. Andre Agassi did some waayyyy worse than what Serena did, so I ask: How were the reactions back then for his actions? Did he get suspended, fined..were people calling for his head too?

Volcana
Oct 23rd, 2009, 01:02 PM
Serena threw her detractors a lifeline after years of pretty much making them eat their words, that's all. They haven't had anything much to criticize for years. Now they have something again. It's to be expected. It's more or less the same with most prominent players.


If you like Justine Henin, her success given her slight stature is inspirational. If you don't like Henin, her true character is revealed by 'The Hand' and defaulting against Mauresmo at OZ.

If you like Venus, she's a great amabassador for the game. If you don;t, she's a chronic underachiever who folded time after time against her sister in big spots.


It's the same with some of the guys. Is Andy Roddick an over-rated loser? Or is the guy who helped rescue people froma burning hotel building in Rome?

Is Andre Agassi a tremendous champion? Or is the same guy who, responding to a win, said"I'm happier than a ****** on a submarine." and who skipped Wimbledon because he was 'allergic to grass'?


It's cherry-picking facts to support preconcieved notions. Athletes, like all humans, are complicated. We want them to be cartoons.

JackFrost
Oct 23rd, 2009, 01:17 PM
It's all good. When you mess up, I guess these are the results/consequences. Fine to me..but I do have one but. Andre Agassi did some waayyyy worse than what Serena did, so I ask: How were the reactions back then for his actions? Did he get suspended, fined..were people calling for his head too?
Hmm...Agassi? What has he done? :confused:

Ntour
Oct 23rd, 2009, 01:54 PM
Serena threw her detractors a lifeline after years of pretty much making them eat their words, that's all. They haven't had anything much to criticize for years. Now they have something again. It's to be expected. It's more or less the same with most prominent players.


If you like Justine Henin, her success given her slight stature is inspirational. If you don't like Henin, her true character is revealed by 'The Hand' and defaulting against Mauresmo at OZ.

If you like Venus, she's a great amabassador for the game. If you don;t, she's a chronic underachiever who folded time after time against her sister in big spots.


It's the same with some of the guys. Is Andy Roddick an over-rated loser? Or is the guy who helped rescue people froma burning hotel building in Rome?

Is Andre Agassi a tremendous champion? Or is the same guy who, responding to a win, said"I'm happier than a ****** on a submarine." and who skipped Wimbledon because he was 'allergic to grass'?


It's cherry-picking facts to support preconcieved notions. Athletes, like all humans, are complicated. We want them to be cartoons.

who said it had to be one or the other

Philbo
Oct 23rd, 2009, 02:49 PM
Bullshit. :)

Look at Serena's "match point down" history alone and you know that this is bullshit. :lol:

Look at Serena's "match point down" history against Kim alone and you know that this is bullshit. :tape:

Done. :yawn:

Co-Sign. That article is a load of shit.

dreamgoddess099
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:11 PM
I like this Todd Goodman. He's telling it as it is. He illstrates my point of why Serena has to be suspended perfectly. The orginal poster is a Serena fan and the truth hurts doesn't it? Serena knew what she was doing saying she didn't is a load of crap. The ITF need to hurry up and hand down their punishment so we can move on. They also have to make sure the punishment fits the crime and that the crime has already been deemed a major offence so suspension is the only way to go.

you must be this Toad Goldpus character:devil:

:lol: Anyway, Lindsayfan32 is truly a sad individual. I find it hilarious that YOU feel the ITF is keeping YOU from moving on by not suspending Serena. Furthermore, there has been no crime or major offence and saying it over and over isn't going to change that.

Cookie Power
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:21 PM
Serena's actions were not calculated. The hog just did what came naturally to her.

yassiesj20
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:26 PM
Serena's actions were not calculated. The hog just did what came naturally to her.

Now was that really necessary? I don't think the first person in your sig would appreciate what you said about her sister. It's just rude, and that's what makes me laugh about Serena's haters-they think their nastiness is constructive criticism. Rant over!:fiery::fiery:

Cookie Power
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:30 PM
Now was that really necessary? I don't think the first person in your sig would appreciate what you said about her sister. It's just rude, and that's what makes me laugh about Serena's haters-they think their nastiness is constructive criticism. Rant over!:fiery::fiery:

I'm not a hater really, I like watching Serena play (for all the same reasons as Vee), but damn does she get on my nerves. One of the most irritating people in Sport.

Just an opinion. I highly doubt Serena would care what a nobody on the internet like me is calling her :cool:

barmaid
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:35 PM
Volcana said "Serena threw her detractors a lifeline after years of pretty much making them eat their words, that's all. They haven't had anything much to criticize for years. Now they have something again. It's to be expected. It's more or less the same with most prominent players.":confused:

I think the media and detractors have had lots to say about Serena over the years...and a lot was negative press....Miss Serena suffered from "Foot in the mouth" more than once in her career.....Serena has always been criticized...because Serena just can't shut that big mouth of hers.:p...she has appeared ungracious in losses, arrogant in victory, meanspirited, angry at times but prior to the US Open a very happy and pleasant Serena gave uplifting interviews....full of jokes and chuckles..well all that came crashing down when "things didn't go her way" against Clijsters...her own undoing really but she erupted like a volcano and the lava she spewed wasn't pretty!:fiery:
Barmaid:wavey:
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yassiesj20
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:39 PM
I'm not a hater really, I like watching Serena play (for all the same reasons as Vee), but damn does she get on my nerves. One of the most irritating people in Sport.

Just an opinion. I highly doubt Serena would care what a nobody on the internet like me is calling her :cool:

What are these reasons and how do they relate to her being irritating?:confused:

dreamgoddess099
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:44 PM
Serena's actions were not calculated. The hog just did what came naturally to her.

Now was that really necessary? I don't think the first person in your sig would appreciate what you said about her sister. It's just rude, and that's what makes me laugh about Serena's haters-they think their nastiness is constructive criticism. Rant over!:fiery::fiery:

Don't get upset Yassiesj20, I agree. Serena has been a bit of a hog lately, just listen to the complaints. Apparently she's hogging all the media attention that was supposed to go to Kim, Melanie, and Caroline. She's hogging all the talk shows. She's hogging all the publicity for her book when others have books out too. She's hogging the search engines because everyone is talking about her ESPN cover. And of course, she's been hogging the most slam titles for years now. That darn Serena sure is a hog who brings home the bacon and fries it up in a pan.

Cookie Power
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:47 PM
What are these reasons and how do they relate to her being irritating?:confused:

It's her personality I find irritating, not her playing style.

yassiesj20
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:47 PM
Don't get upset Yassiesj20, I agree. Serena has been a bit of a hog lately, just listen to the complaints. Apparently she's hogging all the media attention that was supposed to go to Kim, Melanie, and Caroline. She's hogging all the talk shows. She's hogging all the publicity for her book when others have books out too. She's hogging the search engines because everyone is talking about her ESPN cover. And of course, she's been hogging the most slam titles for years now. That darn Serena sure is a hog who brings home the bacon and fries it up in a pan.

:lol::lol:I'm not upset hun,I love a bit of sarcasm in the afternoon!People need to accept that she has more pulling power in her little toe than the three you mentioned have put together. Suck on that,haters!

yassiesj20
Oct 23rd, 2009, 03:50 PM
It's her personality I find irritating, not her playing style.
Well, that's your perogative-I personally like that she speaks her mind. Yeah it pisses people off but you can't please everyone.

Lulu.
Oct 23rd, 2009, 04:03 PM
Pure garbage.

dreamgoddess099
Oct 23rd, 2009, 04:07 PM
I think the media and detractors have had lots to say about Serena over the years...and a lot was negative press....Miss Serena suffered from "Foot in the mouth" more than once in her career.....Serena has always been criticized...because Serena just can't shut that big mouth of hers.:p...she has appeared ungracious in losses, arrogant in victory, meanspirited, angry at times but prior to the US Open a very happy and pleasant Serena gave uplifting interviews....full of jokes and chuckles..well all that came crashing down when "things didn't go her way" against Clijsters...her own undoing really but she erupted like a volcano and the lava she spewed wasn't pretty!:fiery:
Barmaid:wavey:
"

And it's all been a godsend to the women' game. Please tell me how women' tennis has been hurt by anything that Serena has done? And if it has the ratings sure don't reflect it and neither does her continued popularity. Her US open semi got higher ratings than the final, not to mention all of her other highly rated matches. If anything women' tennis has done nothing but reap the benefits of all the press and face time Serena has given to it. That so called big mouth has kept the women' game more visible and newsworthy than any other player. Typical ungrateful hater.

yassiesj20
Oct 23rd, 2009, 04:09 PM
And it's all been a godsend to the women' game. Please tell me how women' tennis has been hurt by anything that Serena has done? And if it has the ratings sure don't reflect it and neither does her continued popularity. Her US open semi got higher ratings than the final, not to mention all of her other highly rated matches. If anything women' tennis has done nothing but reap the benefits of all the press and face time Serena has given to it. That so called big mouth has kept the women' game more visible and newsworthy than any other player. Typical ungrateful hater.

:worship::worship::worship:

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2009, 04:45 PM
Hmm...Agassi? What has he done? :confused:

If I'm not mistaken he actually HIT an umpire or lineswoman on purpose!

LDVTennis
Oct 23rd, 2009, 05:21 PM
If I'm not mistaken he actually HIT an umpire or lineswoman on purpose!

You are mistaken. Typical of you, isn't it?

If you want to know what happened with Andre, go look it up. But, it did not involve any physical contact with an umpire, or brandishing his racquet at an umpire, or even worse verbally threatening an umpire with physical harm.

Vlover
Oct 23rd, 2009, 05:30 PM
Don't get upset Yassiesj20, I agree. Serena has been a bit of a hog lately, just listen to the complaints. Apparently she's hogging all the media attention that was supposed to go to Kim, Melanie, and Caroline. She's hogging all the talk shows. She's hogging all the publicity for her book when others have books out too. She's hogging the search engines because everyone is talking about her ESPN cover. And of course, she's been hogging the most slam titles for years now. That darn Serena sure is a hog who brings home the bacon and fries it up in a pan.

And it's all been a godsend to the women' game. Please tell me how women' tennis has been hurt by anything that Serena has done? And if it has the ratings sure don't reflect it and neither does her continued popularity. Her US open semi got higher ratings than the final, not to mention all of her other highly rated matches. If anything women' tennis has done nothing but reap the benefits of all the press and face time Serena has given to it. That so called big mouth has kept the women' game more visible and newsworthy than any other player. Typical ungrateful hater.
You have been right on with Serena being the savior of women's tennis right now. Who else draw so much media attention to tennis?

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2009, 07:02 PM
Martina may have shown her "bratty" moments on court but they "pale" in comparison to Serena's despicable tirade....what else would you call the language she used?:p Your own lowlife vocabulary just makes it invisable to see that it does indeed belong in the "gutter".:rolleyes: Its pointless to try and defend Serena...it is preserved for eternity on camera and tapes...the same as the "trumped up charge" Martina is allegedly charged with.

Barmaid

Say what you like about our language, at least Serena and I aren't drug abusers. :tape:

Super Dave
Oct 23rd, 2009, 07:09 PM
I'm a Tennis Life subscriber because, like others have said, I consume about any tennis publication that comes out.

Goldman has never minced words in his editorials, but I have a hard time giving Tennis Life a lot of significance because there are a lot of spelling errors and typos in every edition. It's a little embarassing and I wonder how a lot of it gets past the editors.

Denise4925
Oct 23rd, 2009, 07:10 PM
I think the media and detractors have had lots to say about Serena over the years...and a lot was negative press....Miss Serena suffered from "Foot in the mouth" more than once in her career.....Serena has always been criticized...because Serena just can't shut that big mouth of hers.:p...she has appeared ungracious in losses, arrogant in victory, meanspirited, angry at times but prior to the US Open a very happy and pleasant Serena gave uplifting interviews....full of jokes and chuckles..well all that came crashing down when "things didn't go her way" against Clijsters...her own undoing really but she erupted like a volcano and the lava she spewed wasn't pretty!:fiery:
Barmaid:wavey:
"

Same can be said truthfully of Martina Hingis.

I think the media and detractors have had lots to say about Martina over the years...and a lot was negative press....Miss Martina suffered from "Foot in the mouth" more than once in her career.....Martina has always been criticized...because Martina just can't shut that big mouth of hers.:p...she has appeared ungracious in losses, arrogant in victory, meanspirited, angry at times but prior to the French Open a very happy and pleasant Martina gave uplifting interviews....full of jokes and chuckles..well all that came crashing down when "things didn't go her way" against Steffi...her own undoing really but she erupted like a volcano and the lava she spewed wasn't pretty.

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 23rd, 2009, 07:33 PM
well done Denise...don't think Hingis fans can throw stones about anything

sweetpeas
Oct 23rd, 2009, 08:14 PM
Same can be said truthfully of Martina Hingis.

I think the media and detractors have had lots to say about Martina over the years...and a lot was negative press....Miss Martina suffered from "Foot in the mouth" more than once in her career.....Martina has always been criticized...because Martina just can't shut that big mouth of hers....she has appeared ungracious in losses, arrogant in victory, meanspirited, angry at times but prior to the French Open a very happy and pleasant Martina gave uplifting interviews....full of jokes and chuckles..well all that came crashing down when "things didn't go her way" against Steffi...her own undoing really but she erupted like a volcano and the lava she spewed wasn't pretty.
__________________

So true!How quickly they' forget!Calling people manly.

barmaid
Oct 23rd, 2009, 10:34 PM
And it's all been a godsend to the women' game. Please tell me how women' tennis has been hurt by anything that Serena has done? And if it has the ratings sure don't reflect it and neither does her continued popularity. Her US open semi got higher ratings than the final, not to mention all of her other highly rated matches. If anything women' tennis has done nothing but reap the benefits of all the press and face time Serena has given to it. That so called big mouth has kept the women' game more visible and newsworthy than any other player. Typical ungrateful hater.

I'm certainly not a hater of Serena. Both Martina and Serena have contributed immensely to the tennis world, nobody can take away that fact, Serena has accumulated more trophies and acclaim than anybody else in the last decade...that's why it is so sad that she had to explode the way she did....this time around tennis did not benefit from this awful display, it was all Serena and I'm just saying "what a shame to tarnish her career with that outburst"...so that is why it is so inexplicable what she did....yes, her legacy is intact, her super career is history making....but it is just something that happened that is unforgivable. The same with Hingis..."tainted" as well.:sad:

Barmaid:wavey:

friendsita
Oct 23rd, 2009, 10:47 PM
Todd kma!

jrollaneres25
Oct 24th, 2009, 12:57 AM
I'm a Tennis Life subscriber because, like others have said, I consume about any tennis publication that comes out.

Goldman has never minced words in his editorials, but I have a hard time giving Tennis Life a lot of significance because there are a lot of spelling errors and typos in every edition. It's a little embarassing and I wonder how a lot of it gets past the editors.

Because HE IS the Editor and Chief:o

jrollaneres25
Oct 24th, 2009, 12:58 AM
I'm certainly not a hater of Serena. Both Martina and Serena have contributed immensely to the tennis world, nobody can take away that fact, Serena has accumulated more trophies and acclaim than anybody else in the last decade...that's why it is so sad that she had to explode the way she did....this time around tennis did not benefit from this awful display, it was all Serena and I'm just saying "what a shame to tarnish her career with that outburst"...so that is why it is so inexplicable what she did....yes, her legacy is intact, her super career is history making....but it is just something that happened that is unforgivable. The same with Hingis..."tainted" as well.:sad:

Barmaid:wavey:

Unforgivable? I'm so glad that God is not like humans. He forgives ALL:o

GAGAlady
Oct 24th, 2009, 01:47 AM
I agree with everyone else: Serena made a human error, shes apologized and in my opinion has handled herself with class and shown she is human like all of us.

Those who care to linger and prolong this episode need to : get a life.

GAGA

hacberto
Oct 24th, 2009, 02:11 AM
I think people should move on. Serena is getting very fit, I Hope Serena wins all the majors next year and shut the fuck up to all those people, she apologized what the fuck do you want her to do. Give that woman 2 millions every year for the rest of her life? Come on People move on, Serena has

rjd1111
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:17 AM
Jimmy Connors: "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."


He said how gracious Kim was. That's probably why she has 2 slams

and Serena has 11.

DimaDinosaur
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:20 AM
So we're supposed to believe that Serena knew in advance that when she was two points from defeat, she would get a controversial lines call, and then she purposely received a point penalty just to "steal" Kim's moment? Maybe it's all just one big conspiracy and Serena actually planted the lineswoman to make that call. :rolleyes:

This Todd Goldman guy is a complete tool.

LOL, I know! This part is stupid. The only part he got right was that Serena isn't a gracious loser, but DUH!!!

rjd1111
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:44 AM
He comes up with his inane theory about Serena Stealing

Kims moment on purpose. I have another. How about that

footfault was the straw that broke the camel's back.

It's obvious they wanted Kim to win. Remember a couple

of matches before when Serena glared at that ref for

all those Footfaults he called. The same one who called

Venus for some footfaults the day before. Then in their

matches against Kim, Venus and Serena got called for a

combined 11 footfaults, many coming at crucial times.

They couldn't call bad shots against them because of the

challenge system which was put in because Alvez and her

refs cheated Serena in a previous USO. But footfaults

are not part of the challenge system so they found a way

to get them. In all of there career Venus and Serena have

never had a footfault problem. All of the replays and I still

didn't see it. Serena got tired of the bull.

They may now put camera's on the players feet. But Serena

still has 2 slams less than She could have. I wonder what

they will come up with next.

drake3781
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:49 AM
Why is the thread title changed? :shrug:

drake3781
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:52 AM
So what is somebody "trashes" her or "throws her under the bus"? They have a valid opinion. Serena put her own self in the position to have all sorts of opinions of her actions put out there. Nobody can control all the opinions people will have of her incident. Why do we have to have a thread about one particular opinion, of many? Is this not rehashing the entire discussion we had at USO?

Lindsayfan32
Oct 24th, 2009, 08:17 AM
I'm not a Serena fan, but I'd like to see you kill yourself when she gets to play at the Australian Open 2010 :help:

Don't be so sure she will get to play at the Australian open next year and even if she does I won't kill myself I just do what I always do when she comes on the tv turn it off and wait for the little bitch to finish.

Really you have to try a lot harder to insult me. There really is no need to get so personal. I'm entitled to my opinon on the Serena incident just as much as you're entitled to yours I don't agree with you but I respect you're right to your opinon. It a pitty you can't do the same. Todd Goodman wrote the article no else had the guts to write. The trurth really does hurt doesn't it.

Lindsayfan32
Oct 24th, 2009, 08:24 AM
So what is somebody "trashes" her or "throws her under the bus"? They have a valid opinion. Serena put her own self in the position to have all sorts of opinions of her actions put out there. Nobody can control all the opinions people will have of her incident. Why do we have to have a thread about one particular opinion, of many? Is this not rehashing the entire discussion we had at USO?

I totally agree with you Drake. It's a real shame that some people get nasty when you have a difference of opinon with them. While I don't agree with the people who defend what Serena did I will disagree with them while still respecting their opinon.

I wish I could say the same thing is being done to me. There are a lot of Serena's fans who need to learn some manners and show some respect to people who don't share their views. You don't have to agree with everyone that's what these boards are for to promote discussion and debate but a basic level of respect should be given.

Pat Bateman
Oct 24th, 2009, 10:03 AM
He comes up with his inane theory about Serena Stealing

Kims moment on purpose. I have another. How about that

footfault was the straw that broke the camel's back.

It's obvious they wanted Kim to win. Remember a couple

of matches before when Serena glared at that ref for

all those Footfaults he called. The same one who called

Venus for some footfaults the day before. Then in their

matches against Kim, Venus and Serena got called for a

combined 11 footfaults, many coming at crucial times.

They couldn't call bad shots against them because of the

challenge system which was put in because Alvez and her

refs cheated Serena in a previous USO. But footfaults

are not part of the challenge system so they found a way

to get them. In all of there career Venus and Serena have

never had a footfault problem. All of the replays and I still

didn't see it. Serena got tired of the bull.

They may now put camera's on the players feet. But Serena

still has 2 slams less than She could have. I wonder what

they will come up with next.

:haha::haha::haha:

Cookie Power
Oct 24th, 2009, 10:54 AM
He comes up with his inane theory about Serena Stealing

Kims moment on purpose. I have another. How about that

footfault was the straw that broke the camel's back.

It's obvious they wanted Kim to win. Remember a couple

of matches before when Serena glared at that ref for

all those Footfaults he called. The same one who called

Venus for some footfaults the day before. Then in their

matches against Kim, Venus and Serena got called for a

combined 11 footfaults, many coming at crucial times.

They couldn't call bad shots against them because of the

challenge system which was put in because Alvez and her

refs cheated Serena in a previous USO. But footfaults

are not part of the challenge system so they found a way

to get them. In all of there career Venus and Serena have

never had a footfault problem. All of the replays and I still

didn't see it. Serena got tired of the bull.

They may now put camera's on the players feet. But Serena

still has 2 slams less than She could have. I wonder what

they will come up with next.

Never heard of paragraphs?

Shinjiro
Oct 24th, 2009, 11:26 AM
I said this as soon as it happened. It was a ready made excuse for her--default herself out of a match she was losing to stroke her ego. Not only that, despite losing, she managed to obnoxiously make herself the center of attention anyway. I've seen nothing in her reactions that changes that opinion. And moreover, there's no doubt she was coerced into making a second statement. That sure as hell didn't come of her own accord.

Goldman is spot on. Good for him.
My thought too.

Olórin
Oct 24th, 2009, 11:45 AM
Amusing article. The record is so broken, it's amusing to watch how wobbly it is as it tries to assert some thread of originality. Unfortunate fail. I really hope Serena doesn't lose the respect of Tennis Life Magazine's 200-person readership.

LDVTennis
Oct 24th, 2009, 04:06 PM
They couldn't call bad shots against them because of the

challenge system which was put in because Alvez and her

refs cheated Serena in a previous USO. But footfaults

are not part of the challenge system so they found a way

to get them. In all of there career Venus and Serena have

never had a footfault problem. All of the replays and I still

didn't see it. Serena got tired of the bull.

They may now put camera's on the players feet. But Serena

still has 2 slams less than She could have. I wonder what

they will come up with next.

What's with the double spacing? I've always wanted to ask.

bandabou
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:10 PM
You are mistaken. Typical of you, isn't it?

If you want to know what happened with Andre, go look it up. But, it did not involve any physical contact with an umpire, or brandishing his racquet at an umpire, or even worse verbally threatening an umpire with physical harm.

Typical of me, huh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/07/sports/tennis-agassi-lets-his-emotions-and-rafter-get-the-best-of-him.html

Andre Agassi was decorating the court with passing shots that had the loops and curves of expert penmanship, all in gorgeous contrast to the grace of Patrick Rafter's leaning and twisting to react at the net.

Set after set, they were creating a spellbinding semifinal today worth absorbing and appreciating, worth preserving like the top of a wedding cake. But as Rafter began pulling out nerveless shots under pressure, as the line calls became sketchy during the fourth set, it was as if Agassi threw a tomato at what had been a beautiful match.

He acted out on his frustrations by blasting a serve at a linesman he found inept, then cursed in front of a lineswoman, who reported him to the umpire. And after Rafter flicked a topspin backhand passing shot that arched into the court for a winner on match point, Agassi punctuated his day by pulling a ball out of his pocket and whacking it toward the lineswoman who had turned him in.


Now there's the link! Don't go around here and act funny now, LDV.

You were saying? Nah..that wasn't abuse or anything, huh?

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:31 PM
:tape: bandy :lol: shouldn't have done that...now what will they say

jrollaneres25
Oct 24th, 2009, 06:52 PM
Why is the thread title changed? :shrug:

Cause I wanted to:ras:

And I may do it again:wavey::cool:

jrollaneres25
Oct 24th, 2009, 06:54 PM
So what is somebody "trashes" her or "throws her under the bus"? They have a valid opinion. Serena put her own self in the position to have all sorts of opinions of her actions put out there. Nobody can control all the opinions people will have of her incident. Why do we have to have a thread about one particular opinion, of many? Is this not rehashing the entire discussion we had at USO?

Um drake3781, if you have such a problem with his thread then you don't have to visit.:rolleyes:

You can go now:wavey:

jrollaneres25
Oct 24th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Don't be so sure she will get to play at the Australian open next year and even if she does I won't kill myself I just do what I always do when she comes on the tv turn it off and wait for the little bitch to finish.

Really you have to try a lot harder to insult me. There really is no need to get so personal. I'm entitled to my opinon on the Serena incident just as much as you're entitled to yours I don't agree with you but I respect you're right to your opinon. It a pitty you can't do the same. Todd Goodman wrote the article no else had the guts to write. The trurth really does hurt doesn't it.


Wow:eek: wait....okay, hold up. Why are you calling Serena outside of her name? Seems very hateful & spew-missived.

And for you to have the nerve to say don't take it personal afterwards....makes you seem a little "off".


P.S. Please take Lindsay Davenport off of your Avtar. I really like Lindsay and you don't deserve to be her fan with your hatefulness and lack of class.

Lindsay is classy.:o

!Gio!
Oct 24th, 2009, 07:12 PM
I want to start of saying I am not really a Serena fan and man she has beaten the crap out of a lot of my faves and left me with distaste in my mouth at times but I have to say I respect her and all that she has accomplished for the game and for her self. People need to move on!!! Nobody is perfect. Serena is a competitor and she hates losing, she just lost her nerves that day, being a competitor is what propelled her to be the great tennis legend she is and No obviously she is not perfect, she made a mistake, and she is human. Give her a break, whats important is that at the end of the day she did apologize and that is never an easy thing to do. Two, three years from today, she will retire, just as Graf, just as Hingis and the game will lose an amazing competitor and tennis champ and nobody will remember that day and the mistake she clearly made. So move on and enjoy the tennis she produces, the wonderful matches she has given us and the time she has left. No one is perfect.

bandabou
Oct 24th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Evenmore Agassi:

Agassi Defaulted from Second Round Match
Cecil Mamiit d. 2-Andre Agassi (US) 0-6, 6-6 (by default)
Andre Agassi was playing blazing tennis, but couldn't keep a blazing temper under control on Wednesday night. Having won the first set to love against qualifier Cecil Mamiit, Agassi was well in control of the match when he began to falter late in the second set. When Agassi lost his break of serve advantage and entered a tie-breaker, he began to get angry at himself. Trailing 4-1 in the tiebreaker, a series of expressions Agassi uttered resulted in a warning, point penalty, and then his being defaulted by the tournament umpire. Agassi insisted that he was talking to himself an not the chair umpire or linesman, but it was to no avail as he was defaulted from a match for the second time in his career. Mamiit too was visibly disappointed, rather than pleased, by the situation, saying he had hoped to play the match out to a win or loss. Andre's ranking is likely to suffer from this unfortunate situation, as he was the defending champion in San Jose.

jrollaneres25
Oct 24th, 2009, 08:43 PM
I totally agree with you Drake. It's a real shame that some people get nasty when you have a difference of opinon with them. While I don't agree with the people who defend what Serena did I will disagree with them while still respecting their opinon.

I wish I could say the same thing is being done to me. There are a lot of Serena's fans who need to learn some manners and show some respect to people who don't share their views. You don't have to agree with everyone that's what these boards are for to promote discussion and debate but a basic level of respect should be given.

:cuckoo:

You just called Serena a "bitch":rolleyes:

Vlover
Oct 24th, 2009, 08:45 PM
He acted out on his frustrations by blasting a serve at a linesman he found inept, then cursed in front of a lineswoman, who reported him to the umpire. And after Rafter flicked a topspin backhand passing shot that arched into the court for a winner on match point, Agassi punctuated his day by pulling a ball out of his pocket and whacking it toward the lineswoman who had turned him in.
bandabou oh no you didn't! You mean other players other than Serena get upset and take it out on the lines-person? What a shocking revelation!:eek: Anyway even though you cleared this up still don't forget no one is ever as menacing as Serena. Everyone is very afraid of that black woman.:rolleyes:

bandabou
Oct 24th, 2009, 08:56 PM
bandabou oh no you didn't! You mean other players other than Serena get upset and take it out on the lines-person? What a shocking revelation!:eek: Anyway even though you cleared this up still don't forget no one is ever as menacing as Serena. Everyone is very afraid of that black woman.:rolleyes:

;)

davidmario
Oct 24th, 2009, 09:03 PM
not worth a read.

jrollaneres25
Oct 24th, 2009, 09:25 PM
I want to start of saying I am not really a Serena fan and man she has beaten the crap out of a lot of my faves and left me with distaste in my mouth at times but I have to say I respect her and all that she has accomplished for the game and for her self. People need to move on!!! Nobody is perfect. Serena is a competitor and she hates losing, she just lost her nerves that day, being a competitor is what propelled her to be the great tennis legend she is and No obviously she is not perfect, she made a mistake, and she is human. Give her a break, whats important is that at the end of the day she did apologize and that is never an easy thing to do. Two, three years from today, she will retire, just as Graf, just as Hingis and the game will lose an amazing competitor and tennis champ and nobody will remember that day and the mistake she clearly made. So move on and enjoy the tennis she produces, the wonderful matches she has given us and the time she has left. No one is perfect.

:worship:

And hopefully it's 5-6 years from now instead of 2-3 years.

rjd1111
Oct 24th, 2009, 11:06 PM
What's with the double spacing? I've always wanted to ask.

I think it makes it easier to read. If you don't like

it LVD give me a good reason and I might change it.

Sometimes when I see a long post with single spacing

Its harder for me to read. Eyes ain't what they used be.

I used to read a lot and it gave me eye problems. Its

difficult for me to wear glasses, they give me a headache.

So I usually struggle without them.

Seyz
Oct 24th, 2009, 11:16 PM
Uh what an non-objective article. How can he *assume* that Serena knew she was going to lose and deliberately did what she did. How the hell does he know what Serena really is thinking at the time?
I understand there are opinions, but this is just poor journalism. It's plain trashing of a player due to personal opinion.

rjd1111
Oct 24th, 2009, 11:24 PM
Never heard of paragraphs?

Is this an english classroom or a message board?

I write like I want to. That's just the way the

Cookie crumbles.

Slammer7
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:28 AM
Is this an english classroom or a message board?

I write like I want to. That's just the way the

Cookie crumbles.

I see your writing style more in the mold of poetry than prose and I think it's cool. :cool: It is easier to read, and that's coming from someone with astigmatism. :eek: :lol: I can always tell your posts apart from everyone else's. :)


So keep writing in

your own unique style. :yeah:

Your right this isn't

English class. ;) :hug: :lol:

Slammer7
Oct 25th, 2009, 12:40 AM
Oh and as far as the article. Guys a http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7928798570/5411656627/PROFILE/i.quizzaz.com/img/q/u/08/03/21/Donkey.jpg plain and simple. There's criticism then there is pulling some lame conspiracy theory out of your ass. :( :lol:

RenaSlam.
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:25 AM
Expected. Can't wait til she wins another singles slam next year (or two) :worship:

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:45 AM
There's no question that the Williams sisters have done amazing things for tennis-challenging the conventions in the sport, dominating the pro game, and playing aggresive and exciting tennis. But like all things that are popular, something else will always come along and replace them. At this year's Open, there clearly was a change, as Melanie Oudin, Caroline Wozniacki and Kim Clijsters all became fan favorites. When Clijsters played Venus earlier in the tournament, the mostly American crowd was clearly rooting for the Belgian, and when she won, the sound was deafening.

The treachery witnessed on that day against Venus was ... :sobbing:

But the author almost revelling in it here :speakles:

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 01:55 AM
And it's all been a godsend to the women' game. Please tell me how women' tennis has been hurt by anything that Serena has done? And if it has the ratings sure don't reflect it and neither does her continued popularity. Her US open semi got higher ratings than the final, not to mention all of her other highly rated matches. If anything women' tennis has done nothing but reap the benefits of all the press and face time Serena has given to it. That so called big mouth has kept the women' game more visible and newsworthy than any other player. Typical ungrateful hater.

:bigclap: :worship: That USO situation was about the only story from women's tennis that made news headlines here, and people are still talking about it and Serena to this day. No-one talking about anything else from the USO, certainly not the champ of her forcibly shoving her daughter in front of all those cameras and media (:speakles: - but I digress).

I remember the bad call Serena got at the 2004 USO and her reaction to it... it became the main marketing point for the 2005 USO at least by Eurosport - and it was a GREAT commercial - fierce Serena.

jrollaneres25
Oct 25th, 2009, 03:14 AM
Uh what an non-objective article. How can he *assume* that Serena knew she was going to lose and deliberately did what she did. How the hell does he know what Serena really is thinking at the time?
I understand there are opinions, but this is just poor journalism. It's plain trashing of a player due to personal opinion.

ABSOLUTELY!!

I was like, Is This Guy Serious!? And to add to the insaneness, he's the Chief and Editor of the WHOLE MAGAZINE! So no one could over rule him!:o

jrollaneres25
Oct 25th, 2009, 03:18 AM
Why would an American Journalist celebrate an American crowd against another fellow American? An INJURED American?


This just doesn't make sense to me AT ALL!

Vlover
Oct 25th, 2009, 03:28 AM
The treachery witnessed on that day against Venus was ... :sobbing:

But the author almost revelling in it here :speakles:
I know, but it reveals more about him than anything to do with Venus. Anyway what the new WTA president had to say about Venus in an NY Times interview is of more importance than the opinion of this nobody.
"Players like Venus Williams, you could not ask for a better player leader. She’s been incredibly supportive inside the Player Council, and I can tell you she’s been actively engaged with helping with the Sony Ericsson renewal".

jrollaneres25
Oct 25th, 2009, 03:49 AM
I know, but it reveals more about him than anything to do with Venus. Anyway what the new WTA president had to say about Venus in an NY Times interview is of more importance than the opinion of this nobody.

Wow, now that speaks strides of truth.:angel:

Leo_DFP
Oct 25th, 2009, 04:19 AM
I've never heard of TennisLife magazine. Is it widespread in its publication?

Scary that this guy so badly biased could be in publication. Then I should be published in tennis journalism. Holy shit am I objective, fair, and insightful compared to that. :lol:

Slammer7
Oct 25th, 2009, 04:37 AM
I've never heard of TennisLife magazine. Is it widespread in its publication?

They're best known for that dumbass Vince Spadea commercial. :o

Scary that this guy so badly biased could be in publication. Then I should be published in tennis journalism. Holy shit am I objective, fair, and insightful compared to that. :lol:

You could do 1000 times better than he did. :bounce:

rjd1111
Oct 25th, 2009, 05:04 AM
I see your writing style more in the mold of poetry than prose and I think it's cool. :cool: It is easier to read, and that's coming from someone with astigmatism. :eek: :lol: I can always tell your posts apart from everyone else's. :)


So keep writing in

your own unique style. :yeah:

Your right this isn't

English class. ;) :hug: :lol:


Thats good enough for me. Thanx Slammer

Pat Bateman
Oct 25th, 2009, 06:52 AM
ABSOLUTELY!!

I was like, Is This Guy Serious!? And to add to the insaneness, he's the Chirf and Editor of the WHOLE MAGAZINE! So no one could over rule him!:o

Yeah, those damn CHIRFS always ruin everything:hehehe:

Wilson_07
Oct 25th, 2009, 10:49 AM
Why would an American Journalist celebrate an American crowd against another fellow American? An INJURED American?


This just doesn't make sense to me AT ALL!


why would he even bring the venus-match into discussion? this just shows that he doesn't like them, but it's part of journalism i guess. you need to bring up something controversial and hate on people to interest someone in something.
what i found funny is how some people agree with him and call serena and her fans mean and disrespectful and have problems hiding their own disrespect and hatred and try to appear objective and fair, when it's just so clear that they're not.
nearly every post in this thread is subjective and some people should learn to accept, that even this comparable to what serena did. inside, some people dislike players so much that they would easily be able to say bad things about them and get angry when they beat their faves. and some people are able to control their anger better than others.
serena wasn't able to hold her emotions in and it's human...sometimes this just happens to people. and nearly everyone would be able to explode in this kind of way sometimes in their lives, so it's just stupid to say that it's unforgivable. almost everything can be forgiven if you would just stop hating :angel:
bye, guys! :wavey:

jrollaneres25
Oct 25th, 2009, 11:50 AM
Yeah, those damn CHIRFS always ruin everything:hehehe:

Okay I corrected it:lol:

Marshmallow
Oct 25th, 2009, 03:29 PM
I know, but it reveals more about him than anything to do with Venus. Anyway what the new WTA president had to say about Venus in an NY Times interview is of more importance than the opinion of this nobody.

That's a great quote Vlover... what a reasonable person this new Chief is. That's my new signature!

pengluv
Oct 25th, 2009, 06:26 PM
People are just mad serena isnt bound to the roles that society casts on them like the rest of the players. Truth is she's rude and arrogant sometimes but shes compassionate and misunderstood. Thats what makes her special. Truth is even if she quits now she has a better record then anyone on the current tour now. But truth is she does what she wants thats what people love or or hate her. The people that hate her wants her to be punished for what dhe does, but the empathetic people understand what she does. Some people say oh every time she does something wrong she uses the word prejudice, and others say shes been through so much and thats why she feels that way. Honestly, its both she takes advantage of the fact that shes black a lot, but truth is she gets a lot of rubbish because the fact that she is ghetto.

jrollaneres25
Oct 26th, 2009, 10:55 AM
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barmaid
Oct 26th, 2009, 02:30 PM
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Lovely, an unbiased video proclaiming Todd Goldman as "biased":lol::help:

Barmaid:wavey:

TennisMindCamp
Oct 26th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Todd.. Todd... Todd.. he makes some good points but leave major holes too.

jrollaneres25
Oct 26th, 2009, 10:32 PM
Lovely, an unbiased video proclaiming Todd Goldman as "biased":lol::help:

Barmaid:wavey:

Um, What do you mean?:rolleyes:

Morrissey
Oct 27th, 2009, 12:30 AM
What a surprise they get a black man to trash Serena because this magazine does not want to appear racist. It is typical racism 101 in the tennis industry get a black writer to do the dirty work for a white magazine. Total BS.

jrollaneres25
Oct 27th, 2009, 12:32 AM
What a surprise they get a black man to trash Serena because this magazine does not want to appear racist. It is typical racism 101 in the tennis industry get a black writer to do the dirty work for a white magazine. Total BS.

What are you talking about? Todd Goldman is as white as they come. I just can't find a picture online for him. But if I come across one. I'll post it on here.


BTW: Where are you getting that Todd Goldman is black? Who gave you that idea?:rolleyes:

jrollaneres25
Oct 27th, 2009, 12:43 AM
More Dirt On Todd Goldman

http://solacetennis.blogspot.com/2009/08/tennis-life-magazine.html

PhilePhile
Oct 27th, 2009, 12:52 AM
What are you talking about? Todd Goldman is as white as they come. I just can't find a picture online for him. But if I come across one. I'll post it on here.


BTW: Where are you getting that Todd Goldman is black? Who gave you that idea?:rolleyes:

For some, the surname "Goldman" denotes Jewishness.

fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 27th, 2009, 12:52 AM
People are just mad serena isnt bound to the roles that society casts on them like the rest of the players. Truth is she's rude and arrogant sometimes but shes compassionate and misunderstood. Thats what makes her special. Truth is even if she quits now she has a better record then anyone on the current tour now. But truth is she does what she wants thats what people love or or hate her. The people that hate her wants her to be punished for what dhe does, but the empathetic people understand what she does. Some people say oh every time she does something wrong she uses the word prejudice, and others say shes been through so much and thats why she feels that way. Honestly, its both she takes advantage of the fact that shes black a lot, but truth is she gets a lot of rubbish because the fact that she is ghetto.


Great post :D Serena is human. While that doesn't excuse her from anything, that makes her very interesting lol. :drool:

Henpova
Oct 27th, 2009, 01:27 AM
I am a Serena hater, so what! I will say this" Serena Knew that yelling at the line person was wrong. She Knew she could get in trouble for doing it. She was very very wrong for not saying she was sorry to the line person, Kim and the fans right away. Yet with that said she did not yell at the woman to get out of the match, she just did it because she is a b*tch." :rolleyes:

Slammer7
Oct 27th, 2009, 01:45 AM
^^Why the (") quote marks are you quoting someone? :confused: This is about the article so unless you are Todd Goldman why are you indignant like someone is judging you? If you are Todd you really should post more, because I think people would like to talk :toothy: :shout: to you. :p :lol:

Cookie Power
Oct 27th, 2009, 05:49 PM
Is this an english classroom or a message board?

I made the assumption that you didn't want to look like a complete moron.

Clearly I was wrong. My apologies.

rjd1111
Oct 28th, 2009, 01:51 AM
Poster... Abirbhat wrote:

The writer says
"I believe her abuse and threatening of the official was completely calculated. She knew she was about to lose, that Kim Clijsters had outplayed her, and insteadof giving her opponent the stage, she stole the moment from Kim, the fans and the tennis world."


You are entitled to your belief Mr Goldman, but at the end it is just speculation on your part, that Serena purposely stole the limelight from Kim. Anyway limelight being stolen from from the winner and match defaults has happened at a even bigger stage in women's tennis, namely a Grand Slam final. i will not insult your intelligence by going into the specifics.


This should have been a wonderful moment for tennis fans to embrace-Kim Clijsters, one of this sport's most amazing and gracious competitors, coming back to tennis and running through the US Open draw in just her third tournament-and Serena knew exactly what would happen when she threatened the lineswoman, and she got exactly what she wanted. Now, she can say she didn't "lose" the match, but that it was taken from her


Please remind me exactly where Ms Williams has stated that she "DID NOT LOSE" the match, as you proclaim. If you have corroborative evidence, kindly share with me, else kindly refrain from trying to impose your opinion on others, and putting words into "OTHER'S MOUTHS". In my opnion, you lack the flair or penmanship to even remotely achieve the same (just my opinion).
"But like all things that are popular, something else will always come along and replace them. At this year's Open, there clearly was a change, as Melanie Oudin, Caroline Wozniacki and Kim Clijsters all became fan favorites. When Clijsters played Venus earlier in the tournament, the mostly American crowd was clearly rooting for the Belgian, and when she won, the sound was deafening."


Why are you contradicting yourself? Few lines above you opined that, Kim's embracement by tennis fans were stolen from her. Now you state, thet Kim was embraced with open arms by the NYC crowd during her match with Venus. Hello, what am I missing here? Was Kim embraced or not? Please clarify. Also remind me once more how many slams have Ms Wozniacki ans Ms Oudin won till date. Never mind, we can have that discussion once they win one. Hope you do not have to wait long. Since by your own admission you come from a ultra-competitve family, let me remind you a simple line "to replace a champion you need to become a champion.


"It wasn't until two days after the incident-and no doubt prompted by agents, lawyers, sponsors and probably many others-that she actually issued a statement of apology to the lineswoman, to Clijsters and to the fans."


Since you have eloquently mentioned the word "NO DOUBT", I truly believe that you are completely Cognizant of what's happening behind the scenes and even may be a party to it. If not, and if you do not have corroborative evidence, request you to refrain from using trms like "NO DOUBT". It does not reflect well on your journalistic acumen, dare I say.


"No matter how much of a competitor you are (and I live in a household full of them), revealing a poor character will, in the end, be remembered much longer than who won the match."


I am sure that your fan and admirers will remember this editorial masterpiece of yours for a long time... may be even much longer than who won USO Women's Singles 2009 and how many slams Ms S Williams has won in her career
Goodluck and Goodbye

jrollaneres25
Oct 28th, 2009, 11:37 AM
Poster... Abirbhat wrote:

The writer says
"I believe her abuse and threatening of the official was completely calculated. She knew she was about to lose, that Kim Clijsters had outplayed her, and insteadof giving her opponent the stage, she stole the moment from Kim, the fans and the tennis world."


You are entitled to your belief Mr Goldman, but at the end it is just speculation on your part, that Serena purposely stole the limelight from Kim. Anyway limelight being stolen from from the winner and match defaults has happened at a even bigger stage in women's tennis, namely a Grand Slam final. i will not insult your intelligence by going into the specifics.


This should have been a wonderful moment for tennis fans to embrace-Kim Clijsters, one of this sport's most amazing and gracious competitors, coming back to tennis and running through the US Open draw in just her third tournament-and Serena knew exactly what would happen when she threatened the lineswoman, and she got exactly what she wanted. Now, she can say she didn't "lose" the match, but that it was taken from her


Please remind me exactly where Ms Williams has stated that she "DID NOT LOSE" the match, as you proclaim. If you have corroborative evidence, kindly share with me, else kindly refrain from trying to impose your opinion on others, and putting words into "OTHER'S MOUTHS". In my opnion, you lack the flair or penmanship to even remotely achieve the same (just my opinion).
"But like all things that are popular, something else will always come along and replace them. At this year's Open, there clearly was a change, as Melanie Oudin, Caroline Wozniacki and Kim Clijsters all became fan favorites. When Clijsters played Venus earlier in the tournament, the mostly American crowd was clearly rooting for the Belgian, and when she won, the sound was deafening."


Why are you contradicting yourself? Few lines above you opined that, Kim's embracement by tennis fans were stolen from her. Now you state, thet Kim was embraced with open arms by the NYC crowd during her match with Venus. Hello, what am I missing here? Was Kim embraced or not? Please clarify. Also remind me once more how many slams have Ms Wozniacki ans Ms Oudin won till date. Never mind, we can have that discussion once they win one. Hope you do not have to wait long. Since by your own admission you come from a ultra-competitve family, let me remind you a simple line "to replace a champion you need to become a champion.


"It wasn't until two days after the incident-and no doubt prompted by agents, lawyers, sponsors and probably many others-that she actually issued a statement of apology to the lineswoman, to Clijsters and to the fans."


Since you have eloquently mentioned the word "NO DOUBT", I truly believe that you are completely Cognizant of what's happening behind the scenes and even may be a party to it. If not, and if you do not have corroborative evidence, request you to refrain from using trms like "NO DOUBT". It does not reflect well on your journalistic acumen, dare I say.


"No matter how much of a competitor you are (and I live in a household full of them), revealing a poor character will, in the end, be remembered much longer than who won the match."


I am sure that your fan and admirers will remember this editorial masterpiece of yours for a long time... may be even much longer than who won USO Women's Singles 2009 and how many slams Ms S Williams has won in her career
Goodluck and Goodbye
:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::wors hip::worship::worship::worship::worship:


I wish somehow he could see this very response;)

s_j
Oct 29th, 2009, 08:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHZQfvGVpI

Just though it might be interesting...

A lot of Williams' fans are coming up with good arguments to support their views but I can't help but feel that this guy is missing the mark or "the plot" as he babbles on about. He just seems to be turning it into a race debate and quite unnecessarily... and he goes on about how Goldman is so biased... umm hello?!?!?!?

skanky~skanketta
Oct 29th, 2009, 09:48 AM
Uh what an non-objective article. How can he *assume* that Serena knew she was going to lose and deliberately did what she did. How the hell does he know what Serena really is thinking at the time?
I understand there are opinions, but this is just poor journalism. It's plain trashing of a player due to personal opinion. If you can even call it that! Complete bias and utterly unobjective with nothing to back up his claims.

jrollaneres25
Nov 9th, 2009, 10:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPHZQfvGVpI

Just though it might be interesting...

A lot of Williams' fans are coming up with good arguments to support their views but I can't help but feel that this guy is missing the mark or "the plot" as he babbles on about. He just seems to be turning it into a race debate and quite unnecessarily... and he goes on about how Goldman is so biased... umm hello?!?!?!?

Ummm, have you read the article? I think not. And I can totally be bias. I'm a FAN! NOT A JOURNALIST! So He can't put his two or in his case 99 cents in this article. DUH!:rolleyes:

jrollaneres25
Nov 7th, 2010, 05:44 AM
Has anyone seen any updates on this? I haven't sen a Tennis mag since earlier this past winter:help:

KBlade
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:40 AM
Todd Goldman is the Publisher & Editor In Chief for TennisLife Magazine.

As a tennis fan, I look foward to all the latest tennis magazines that are published monthly.

This month however, there is a fire brewing inside of me as I read this article he wrote about Serena Williams.

Enjoy.



Revealing True Nature
Todd Goldman


It has been said many different ways, but no matter how you put it: When the chips are down, that is clearly when true character is revealed. Nobody has shown this more frequently or on as large of a stage recently as Serena Williams.

While some may want to give her the benefit of the doubt or just write off what happened at this year's US Open as an anomaly or as a competitor who was "in the heat of battle," those people have lost the plot.

Serena has never been a gracious loser. Her bad behavior during her semifinal at this year's Open was not the first time she has shown her nasty and disrespectful side. But there was something different about this year's Open that is a new low even for Serena. I believe her abuse and threatening of the official was completely calculated. She knew she was about to lose, that Kim Clijsters had outplayed her, and insteadof giving her opponent the stage, she stole the moment from Kim, the fans and the tennis world. Think about it-in the week after the Open, what were people talking about more: Clijsters' win, or Williams' meltdown?

This should have been a wonderful moment for tennis fans to embrace-Kim Clijsters, one of this sport's most amazing and gracious competitors, coming back to tennis and running through the US Open draw in just her third tournament-and Serena knew exactly what would happen when she threatened the lineswoman, and she got exactly what she wanted. Now, she can say she didn't "lose" the match, but that it was taken from her.

There's no question that the Williams sisters have done amazing things for tennis-challenging the conventions in the sport, dominating the pro game, and playing aggresive and exciting tennis. But like all things that are popular, something else will always come along and replace them. At this year's Open, there clearly was a change, as Melanie Oudin, Caroline Wozniacki and Kim Clijsters all became fan favorites. When Clijsters played Venus earlier in the tournament, the mostly American crowd was clearly rooting for the Belgian, and when she won, the sound was deafening.

But now fast forward to Saturday night after the Serena-Clijsters semi. At the post-match press conference Williams was flippant and unapologetic, and even 24 hours later she put out a statement with an explanation about the situation, but that lacked an apology. It wasn't until two days after the incident-and no doubt prompted by agents, lawyers, sponsors and probably many others-that she actually issued a statement of apology to the lineswoman, to Clijsters and to the fans.

At this year's Open, Serena showed the tennis world what she is all about: selfish, arrogant, disrespectful and unapologetic. No matter how much of a competitor you are (and I live in a household full of them), revealing a poor character will, in the end, be remembered much longer than who won the match.

PS: And to John McEnroe: You were guilty of far more than this during your playing days, so maybe that is why you are cutting Serena some slack here. But when it comes to calling foot faults, you are way off base. You, and a few other former pros (to be fair), have repeatedlt said foot faults shouldn't be called on critical points. that's just stupid. it's a rule for everybody and for every point-if someone steps on or over that line, it's a fault. When would you call a foot fault, when they are 4 feet inside the line? John, you cannot be serious.


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Oh Please, this is the biggest piece of trash I have ever seen, and Todd Goldman is an embarrassment to journalism. His claims are absolutely ridiculous, I'm sure Serena had it ALL planned out what she was going to do. She had knew she was going to lose, despite the fact that she has fought back and won Grandslams from match point down more times than probably anyone in the history of the sport. I'm sure she would've just accepted defeat on one of the world's biggest stages, and decided to put herself through all the trouble with the ITF, the fines, and the possible bannings just to discredit Kim Clijster's win. I'm sure she anticipated the whole media circus over her actions. I don't think so.

The fact is, this article is absolute dribble, and the fact that this has made it into a magazine is pathetic. Serena has been the victim of terrible injustices during her career, and frankly, I think that foot-fault incident was just the straw that broke the Camels' back. The Justine hand Incident, the US Open 2004 Quaterfinal against Capriati, the umpire awarding the point to Martinez Sanchez at the French Open in their match in 2009. Serena has been wronged so, so many times it has been ridiculous. Many of these incidents might have broken lesser players.

And I assume this magazine is american, so America wonders why they have no Tennis-talent? Maybe because they treat their talent like crap.

Serena_Williams_
Nov 7th, 2010, 07:36 AM
serena is the one with the 13 GS titles not this guy so...;)

tea
Nov 7th, 2010, 08:36 AM
Interesting read. Thanks.:D

SerenaClijsters
Nov 7th, 2010, 09:22 AM
Thanks for posting this up,I finally know how much of a douche this Goldman dude is.

Anyway.....always fun to see this kind of threads,especially after knowing how this dude will never achieve a tiny fraction of what Serena has achieved and has to resort to taking cheap shots at her to enjoy his 5 seconds of fame...thank you.:worship:

Gawain
Nov 7th, 2010, 09:40 AM
Serena will always be remembered for her classless behavior, no matter how many slams she won.

VishaalMaria
Nov 7th, 2010, 12:20 PM
Trust S Williams to respond by winning two (out of the three) slams the following year.
:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::wors hip:

thrust
Nov 7th, 2010, 01:52 PM
I said this as soon as it happened. It was a ready made excuse for her--default herself out of a match she was losing to stroke her ego. Not only that, despite losing, she managed to obnoxiously make herself the center of attention anyway. I've seen nothing in her reactions that changes that opinion. And moreover, there's no doubt she was coerced into making a second statement. That sure as hell didn't come of her own accord.

Goldman is spot on. Good for him.

TRUE!

oomph
Nov 7th, 2010, 04:31 PM
So we're supposed to believe that Serena knew in advance that when she was two points from defeat, she would get a controversial lines call, and then she purposely received a point penalty just to "steal" Kim's moment? Maybe it's all just one big conspiracy and Serena actually planted the lineswoman to make that call. :rolleyes:

This Todd Goldman guy is a complete tool.

No you are.

It's not like you cannot see a chance and use it as an improvisation.

I don't agree with that crap but your reasoning is stupid.

Mightymirza
Nov 7th, 2010, 04:33 PM
Who cares what he says :shrug:

JN
Nov 7th, 2010, 05:19 PM
Interesting read. Thanks.:D

An endorsement from this guy proves it's bullshit.

Serena will always be remembered for her classless behavior, no matter how many slams she won.

In your dreams, hater.

Trust S Williams to respond by winning two (out of the three) slams the following year.
:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::wors hip:

:lol:

THIS...

Who cares what he says :shrug:

and THIS!

sweetpeas
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
Serena will always be remembered for her classless behavior, no matter how many slams she won.


Serena will always fight till the very end,she' will never call it quit,that's for sure.That's why i love Serena Williams.I don't give a crap bat what anyone think or say about Serena.

Dominic
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:04 PM
Well he seems to be wrong, but he trashes Serena so I like him.

The Witch-king
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:05 PM
I said this as soon as it happened. It was a ready made excuse for her--default herself out of a match she was losing to stroke her ego. Not only that, despite losing, she managed to obnoxiously make herself the center of attention anyway. I've seen nothing in her reactions that changes that opinion. And moreover, there's no doubt she was coerced into making a second statement. That sure as hell didn't come of her own accord.

Goldman is spot on. Good for him.

:spit: A Caravan fan talking about someone obnoxiously seeking attention. :lol:

terjw
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:26 PM
The claim that she did it deliberately so she could say she didn't lose the match doesn't makes much sense.

Nevertheless - that incident is something she will be remembered for. More people know about what she did there than would have a clue how many slams she's got. John McEnroe isn't remembered for his tennis and grand slam titles - but for his on-court behaviour as a brat and comments like "You cannot be serious". Eric Cantona was a brilliant footballer - but will be remembered most of all for that Kung Fu kick over the barriers at that Crystal Palace supporter.

Gawain
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:36 PM
Serena will always be remembered for her classless behavior, no matter how many slams she won.

Two bad reps for this (which is not even an insult).
Beware, GM is ruled by the Serenapolice.

AcesHigh
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:37 PM
Serena will be remembered for being a great champion and transcending her sport. Not for classless behavior. That incident at USO isn't even talked about anymore.

The Witch-king
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:40 PM
The claim that she did it deliberately so she could say she didn't lose the match doesn't makes much sense.

Nevertheless - that incident is something she will be remembered for. More people know about what she did there than would have a clue how many slams she's got. John McEnroe isn't remembered for his tennis and grand slam titles - but for his on-court behaviour as a brat and comments like "You cannot be serious". Eric Cantona was a brilliant footballer - but will be remembered most of all for that Kung Fu kick over the barriers at that Crystal Palace supporter.

Comments - Plural. He did that ish a lot, that's why he's famous for it. Serena did this ONCE in her entire career, I somehow doubt people are going to talking 25 years from now about how Serena overreacted to a footfault call. :lol: And of course most people won't specifically know how many slams she's won when even she doesn't know.

serenawilliams (http://twitter.com/serenawilliams/status/9717893283)
Hey guys... Ok so this is a weird question- but how many grand slam singles
titles do I have.. I can't remember.... Any one out there know??
9:17 AM Feb 27th via UberTwitter

Gawain
Nov 7th, 2010, 06:54 PM
Serena will always fight till the very end,she' will never call it quit,that's for sure.That's why i love Serena Williams.I don't give a crap bat what anyone think or say about Serena.

Well she didn't fight till the end that day, as the whole world could see. She quit and stole Kim's glory.

If Kim would pull off something like that I'd quit rooting for her immediately.

terjw
Nov 7th, 2010, 07:06 PM
Comments - Plural. He did that ish a lot, that's why he's famous for it. Serena did this ONCE in her entire career, I somehow doubt people are going to talking 25 years from now about how Serena overreacted to a footfault call. :lol: And of course most people won't specifically know how many slams she's won when even she doesn't know.

Well - people won't be talking about women's tennis or any woman tennis player 25 v years ago or in any age period. Just the same as they don't talk about it now and never have done except for the small minority who are out and out fans. I doubt that people will all have selective amnesia and forget the incident though.

Rome
Nov 7th, 2010, 07:09 PM
Well she didn't fight till the end that day, as the whole world could see. She quit and stole Kim's glory.
If Kim would pull off something like that I'd quit rooting for her immediately.

I find this statement funny because as i rember kim played in the final and not Serena. Whe she beat Serena sadly not many people tone in to watch her play in the finals thats not Serenas fault. And why do people forget how bad Serena got cheated in her Qtr When she played Jcap. I sure didn't see that sorry SOB Jim Curley come and do his job when Serena was cheated that day?

terjw
Nov 7th, 2010, 07:13 PM
Well she didn't fight till the end that day, as the whole world could see. She quit and stole Kim's glory.

If Kim would pull off something like that I'd quit rooting for her immediately.

If Kim pulled that stunt - I don't know what I would think. I wouldn't believe it if someone just told me. It would be like some evil madman had put a spell on the world.

In The Zone
Nov 7th, 2010, 07:13 PM
Comments - Plural. He did that ish a lot, that's why he's famous for it. Serena did this ONCE in her entire career, I somehow doubt people are going to talking 25 years from now about how Serena overreacted to a footfault call. :lol: And of course most people won't specifically know how many slams she's won when even she doesn't know.

Surely Serena knows of wikipedia. She could have looked it up herself. Serena is one of my favorites but that's a clear attempt at attention. :lol: She must have been having a poop day.

The Witch-king
Nov 7th, 2010, 07:18 PM
Surely Serena knows of wikipedia. She could have looked it up herself. Serena is one of my favorites but that's a clear attempt at attention. :lol: She must have been having a poop day.

If anyone needs Wikipedia to find out how many slams they've won then :help:. Yeah, I don't think she was being serious.

Bingain
Nov 7th, 2010, 07:43 PM
Serena will be remembered for being a great champion and transcending her sport. Not for classless behavior. That incident at USO isn't even talked about anymore.

Sadly, this is not correct.

Last week ABC's World News Tonight had a segment about a research of young children behaviors and what influenced them. They quoted clinical data that showed young children in the US had started to talk profanity as early as 3½ years old and they cited (or speculated?) celebrity and role models as a factor. During the voice over, guess what was shown on the TV? Right, Serena's USO tirade.

Call them racists. Call them hacks involved in a conspiracy to denounce our tennis legend. But sadly, the #2 news program in the US still portrays or remembers her for this.

friendsita
Nov 7th, 2010, 08:43 PM
BITCH STOLE MY MOMENT! LMAO

Oh! Todd Goldman, shut up!

JN
Nov 7th, 2010, 08:48 PM
Well - people won't be talking about women's tennis or any woman tennis player 25 v years ago or in any age period. Just the same as they don't talk about it now and never have done except for the small minority who are out and out fans. I doubt that people will all have selective amnesia and forget the incident though.

I doubt the "incident" really plays that big of a role, if any at all, in normal peoples' day-to-day lives, it's just you that have a constant axe to grind who will keep bringing it up 'til the day you all die.

JN
Nov 7th, 2010, 08:56 PM
Sadly, this is not correct.

Last week ABC's World News Tonight had a segment about a research of young children behaviors and what influenced them. They quoted clinical data that showed young children in the US had started to talk profanity as early as 3½ years old and they cited (or speculated?) celebrity and role models as a factor. During the voice over, guess what was shown on the TV? Right, Serena's USO tirade.

Call them racists. Call them hacks involved in a conspiracy to denounce our tennis legend. But sadly, the #2 news program in the US still portrays or remembers her for this.

I would say I'm shocked, but that would be a lie. And they only portray her that way in order to lull the public into forgetting how great a humanitarian and tennis player Serena Williams is. Sorry, racists/hacks/haters/etc., it won't work.

Timariot
Nov 7th, 2010, 09:05 PM
God Lord, can't you people just let this issue die? Get over it already...

terjw
Nov 7th, 2010, 09:10 PM
I doubt the "incident" really plays that big of a role, if any at all, in normal peoples' day-to-day lives, it's just you that have a constant axe to grind who will keep bringing it up 'til the day you all die.

What's playing any part in day-to-day lives got to do with anything? I am sure absolutely nothing about Serena including her slams plays any role in normal people's day to day lives. But people won't just all get memory problems and forget the incident. It will be one of the things remembered about her.

Alarmed
Nov 7th, 2010, 09:20 PM
This makes Serena such a bigger star <3 Who wants a boring good tennis player? No one.

King Halep
Nov 7th, 2010, 09:51 PM
Serena will be remembered for being a great champion and transcending her sport. Not for classless behavior. That incident at USO isn't even talked about anymore.

The second post is already talking about moving on and pretending it never happened. So why is this being brought back now. Why is the player looking at a USA World Cup match nine months later and talking again about her refereeing injustice. Which do you want, pretending it never happened or keep talking about injustice.

JN
Nov 7th, 2010, 10:00 PM
What's playing any part in day-to-day lives got to do with anything? I am sure absolutely nothing about Serena including her slams plays any role in normal people's day to day lives. But people won't just all get memory problems and forget the incident. It will be one of the things remembered about her.

No it won't.

Gawain
Nov 7th, 2010, 10:21 PM
In a way I pity serena. Her home audience mostly favors the foreign opponent instead of their fellow american during matches.
That's quite unique, I think.
I mean she has so many devoted fans on this board. Where are you guys when she's playing?

Matt01
Nov 7th, 2010, 11:49 PM
In a way I pity serena. Her home audience mostly favors the foreign opponent instead of their fellow american during matches.
That's quite unique, I think.
I mean she has so many devoted fans on this board. Where are you guys when she's playing?


:rolls:

spartanfan
Nov 8th, 2010, 12:30 AM
another slow news day I see...

tkutsaar
Nov 8th, 2010, 01:47 AM
I am a new member on this board and so I had not seen this thread before and I apologize if this controversy is old hat. IMHO, there is no getting around the boorish behavior by Serena in this incident. If you defend her actions then you have a hard time drawing a line on what is civil, and you probably won’t be consistent in your values. Unfortunately sports fans in all sports not just women’s tennis have come to accept and tolerate boorish behavior and so ugly incidents like this have sadly become ubiquitous. I do think though that Goodman’s article went over the top in his criticism of Serena. It is ignoble of him to suggest that Serena deliberately created the incident to avoid being beaten by Clijsters in actual play. That truly is a canard and tends to diminish the authenticity of his criticism.

The real justification for criticizing Serena for this moment is that she ought to have known she was in jeopardy of defaulting the match if she continued her abuse of the linesperson. I recall a John McEnroe match, where he was continuously berating the officials just as worse if not worse than the Serena incident. He was accumulating the usual sanctions i.e. warning; loss of point; and then loss of game. After that last penalty you did not hear a peep from him the rest of the match since it would mean the loss of the match. As McEnroe pointed out in the subsequent press conference one never wants to default a match because of disagreement with an official on a call.

Apologists for Serena have suggested that she would not be expected to have known the consequences of her actions. I am sorry but I did see this match live on TV and I do recall thinking at that time, “My God if she continues likes this she will be assessed the loss of point ergo loss of game ergo loss of the match”. Now if I as a casual fan with no personal stake in the outcome of this match was cognizant of the situation then surely the player who has a huge stake in the match ought to have been likewise aware. Or to put it another way I have yet to see a player losing match point against her and not be aware she has just lost the match.

Alarmed
Nov 8th, 2010, 02:25 AM
Apologists for Serena have suggested that she would not be expected to have known the consequences of her actions. I am sorry but I did see this match live on TV and I do recall thinking at that time, “My God if she continues likes this she will be assessed the loss of point ergo loss of game ergo loss of the match”. Now if I as a casual fan with no personal stake in the outcome of this match was cognizant of the situation then surely the player who has a huge stake in the match ought to have been likewise aware. Or to put it another way I have yet to see a player losing match point against her and not be aware she has just lost the match.

You make no sense. You’re an OUTSIDE viewer, of course you can judge the situation better than someone who is IN THE MOMENT and not thinking clearly. I don’t see how that makes you so special. And for your last point, Serena knew she had lost before Kim realized she won so… yeah.

tkutsaar
Nov 8th, 2010, 03:12 AM
You make no sense. You’re an OUTSIDE viewer, of course you can judge the situation better than someone who is IN THE MOMENT and not thinking clearly. I don’t see how that makes you so special. And for your last point, Serena knew she had lost before Kim realized she won so… yeah.

I do not think it is churlish of me to suggest that players who earn what most would consider a very lucrative compensation for their talents ought to also be aware of everything about their sport or at least those things like rules and regulations that could affect the outcome of the events they are participating in.

And when you say Serena realized she lost before Kim realized she won does not weaken my point. Instead it only suggests that Serena was possibly aware of the consequence of her action after all but let her anger take over the rational and prudent choice to stop her tirade. See again the McEnroe comparison. Letting your anger affect sound judgment is never a good thing and that principle is universal. As for Kim not realizing she had won; well I do not expect a player to keep track of her opponent’s violations so as to be on the spot aware that a particular violation may cost her opponent to lose the match. I only expect a player to keep track of her own violations.

treufreund
Nov 8th, 2010, 04:18 AM
The idea that this was a calculated move on her part is absurd IMO. I don't like Serena one bit at all and think she is very fake and is a sore loser but even I would not say that she did this to take away from Kim's win. That's silly. Kim was beating her fair and square and the last point did not change that.

harloo
Nov 8th, 2010, 07:58 AM
The idea that this was a calculated move on her part is absurd IMO. I don't like Serena one bit at all and think she is very fake and is a sore loser but even I would not say that she did this to take away from Kim's win. That's silly. Kim was beating her fair and square and the last point did not change that.

DEAD @ a poster who supported a drug cheat calling another player fake.:lol:

bandabou
Nov 8th, 2010, 10:13 AM
If Johnny Mac can be the media-darling despite all his outburst, thenn....

Plus nobody said thing when Serena got robbed with all those bad calls in ' 04. So f*ck 'em.

ZODIAC
Nov 8th, 2010, 01:39 PM
Kim 3 Serena 13... she will have 15 by the end of 2011

ellyhuang
Nov 8th, 2010, 01:43 PM
Sad to say it more clearly: Racism will never vanish in the U.S. That's it! Nothing less, nothing more! Take it and move on!

ZODIAC
Nov 8th, 2010, 01:52 PM
where is the criticism for the Fed Cup team especially MJF poor coaching ,divisiveness and poor decision making...

JN
Nov 8th, 2010, 02:17 PM
In a way I pity serena. Her home audience mostly favors the foreign opponent instead of their fellow american during matches.
That's quite unique, I think.
I mean she has so many devoted fans on this board. Where are you guys when she's playing?

You pity Serena. :lol::haha::happy:

You're pretty much a permanent resident of LaLa land, aren't you? http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/35.gif

Gawain
Nov 8th, 2010, 06:29 PM
You pity Serena. :lol::haha::happy:


Didn't see that one coming did you.

Super Dave
Nov 8th, 2010, 06:50 PM
I letting my Tennis Life subscription run out. Tennis View is better.