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roelc
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:10 PM
After seeing what Wozniacki just did, I just have to think as this whole year as a complete joke.

1. Safina being Nr.1 and playing like crap for a long time + not able to win a slam
2. Serena "I am the real Nr.1" Williams completely losing it at the US Open semifinal
3. WTA board not giving heavy sanctions to Dubai organizers for not letting Peer play
4. Reaching the semifinals of a grand slam beating Razzano - Peng - Errani - Kvitova - K.Bondarenko
5. A mother winning a grand slam at 3rd tournament after more than 2 years away from the tour
6. Wozniacki retiring at 7-5 5-0 in the first round of Luxembourg
7. All top-10 players having multiple losses against low-ranked players
8. Most of the top seeds crashing at first round matches in Tokyo and "Mandatory" Beijing
9. WTA roadmap, international tournaments without top players and injured top players at mandatory events
10. WTA-201 winning a premier tournament

And I guess there are a lot more, feel free to add them!

BournemouthBoy
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:11 PM
it's been the best season for years, so many break through players and a real battle for top ranking.

MBM
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:15 PM
After seeing what Wozniacki just did, I just have to think as this whole year as a complete joke.

1. Safina being Nr.1 and playing like crap for a long time + not able to win a slam
2. Serena "I am the real Nr.1" Williams completely losing it at the US Open semifinal
3. WTA board not giving heavy sanctions to Dubai organizers for not letting Peer play
4. Reaching the semifinals of a grand slam beating Razzano - Peng - Errani - Kvitova - K.Bondarenko
5. A mother winning a grand slam at 3rd tournament after more than 2 years away from the tour
6. Wozniacki retiring at 7-5 5-0 in the first round of Luxembourg
7. All top-10 players having multiple losses against low-ranked players
8. Most of the top seeds crashing at first round matches in Tokyo and "Mandatory" Beijing
9. WTA roadmap, international tournaments without top players and injured top players at mandatory events
10. WTA-201 winning a premier tournament

And I guess there are a lot more, feel free to add them!

A $300,000 fine + a $2million performance guarantee for the sake of the future of the event...

Noctis
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:15 PM
the joke is geting old :lol:

Feyd
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:17 PM
A $300,000 fine + a $2million performance guarantee... for a $2 million tournament...

What is "$2 Million performance guarantee"?

MBM
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:19 PM
What is "$2 Million performance guarantee"?

From online: A deed guaranteeing the performance of a party's obligations under a commercial agreement.

So in this case, the obligation is that everyone who wishes to participate is allowed to play, otherwise bye-bye to $2 million (the total value of the tournament!)

Feyd
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:22 PM
From online: A deed guaranteeing the performance of a party's obligations under a commercial agreement.

So in this case, the obligation is that everyone who wishes to participate is allowed to play, otherwise bye-bye to $2 million (the total value of the tournament!)

OK, thanks. :yeah:

roelc
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:22 PM
From online: A deed guaranteeing the performance of a party's obligations under a commercial agreement.

So in this case, the obligation is that everyone who wishes to participate is allowed to play, otherwise bye-bye to $2 million (the total value of the tournament!)

well, i didn't see peer play this year...
they could've made a statement immediately: or everyone, or noone!

miffedmax
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:25 PM
I think it's safe to say the Roadmap was an utter catastrophe. Much of the rest of the idiocy of the past year flowed from this misbegotten abortion of an idea, which, as many here and elsewhere predicted, actually made the things it was supposed to fix worse (yes, top players didn't skip tournaments--instead they showed up and either lost because they were worn out, or defaulted due to injury, which IMHO is worse than withdrawing) and introduced new problems with poor scheduling, catastrophic travel arrangements that left players too groggy to compete... let's just say that Lena trimming her bangs was the second worst idea of the past 10 years in the WTA and leave it at that.

MBM
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:26 PM
well, i didn't see peer play this year...
they could've made a statement immediately: or everyone, or noone!

3. WTA board not giving heavy sanctions to Dubai organizers for not letting Peer play

so you are saying that a statement, or many statements is/are heavier sanctions than the fines that they received?

and peer not playing was the reason for the sanctions, so that's why you didn't see her play :yeah:

roelc
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:29 PM
so you are saying that a statement, or many statements is/are heavier sanctions than the fines that they received?

and peer not playing was the reason for the sanctions, so that's why you didn't see her play :yeah:

In Dubai "money" is a relative thing... So still they got away with it. IMO wta should 've immediately showed who's in charge, but no, they gave them a fine.

MBM
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:32 PM
In Dubai "money" is a relative thing... So still they got away with it. IMO wta should 've immediately showed who's in charge, but no, they gave them a fine.

I personally thought it was a little too late to do anything drastic like stop the tourney from happening as many players were already in Dubai. But tbh, i think the sanctions were enough (and enough to guarantee it doesn't happen again), and you clearly don't, so know I am not trying to stop you thinking otherwise ;) We're seeing it all over again with Bali potentially, so maybe the WTA didn't get the message through :help:

roelc
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:40 PM
I personally thought it was a little too late to do anything drastic like stop the tourney from happening as many players were already in Dubai. But tbh, i think the sanctions were enough (and enough to guarantee it doesn't happen again), and you clearly don't, so know I am not trying to stop you thinking otherwise ;) We're seeing it all over again with Bali potentially, so maybe the WTA didn't get the message through :help:

indeed, let's hope...
i also kind of expected more from the (top) players at the beginning of the tournament, like a real statement as roddick did. i would've been really disappointed if venus wouldn't have said anything after winning it. thank god she did :)

Volcana
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:41 PM
After seeing what Wozniacki just did, I just have to think as this whole year as a complete joke.
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And I guess there are a lot more, feel free to add them!Well, we do continue to treat your posts as if they're serious ....

Slutati
Oct 20th, 2009, 08:49 PM
Wozniacki retiring while winning with 7-5 5-0 in luxembourg isn't that bad. The fact that's she top 5 is awful though. :lol:

Matt01
Oct 20th, 2009, 09:21 PM
I think it's safe to say the Roadmap was an utter catastrophe. Much of the rest of the idiocy of the past year flowed from this misbegotten abortion of an idea, which, as many here and elsewhere predicted, actually made the things it was supposed to fix worse (yes, top players didn't skip tournaments--instead they showed up and either lost because they were worn out, or defaulted due to injury, which IMHO is worse than withdrawing) and introduced new problems with poor scheduling, catastrophic travel arrangements that left players too groggy to compete...


I still think that women's tennis is in a much better state than lots of people here are making it out to be, but I partially have to agree with you. The Roadmap simply doesn't work so far.

WhoAmI?
Oct 20th, 2009, 09:23 PM
WTA roadmap, international tournaments without top players and injured top players at mandatory events

What's the point of a tournament if top players, or the ones close to top, really don't care winning them, showing up injured/unmotivated :shrug:
The only good thing came out of that was many new players coming up, thus it was very opened.

TheAllan
Oct 20th, 2009, 09:26 PM
It has been a great year, and 2010 will be even better.

pwayne
Oct 20th, 2009, 09:36 PM
After seeing what Wozniacki just did, I just have to think as this whole year as a complete joke.

1. Safina being Nr.1 and playing like crap for a long time + not able to win a slam
2. Serena "I am the real Nr.1" Williams completely losing it at the US Open semifinal
3. WTA board not giving heavy sanctions to Dubai organizers for not letting Peer play
4. Reaching the semifinals of a grand slam beating Razzano - Peng - Errani - Kvitova - K.Bondarenko
5. A mother winning a grand slam at 3rd tournament after more than 2 years away from the tour
6. Wozniacki retiring at 7-5 5-0 in the first round of Luxembourg
7. All top-10 players having multiple losses against low-ranked players
8. Most of the top seeds crashing at first round matches in Tokyo and "Mandatory" Beijing
9. WTA roadmap, international tournaments without top players and injured top players at mandatory events
10. WTA-201 winning a premier tournament

And I guess there are a lot more, feel free to add them!

Is the answer Yanina Wickmayer?

miffedmax
Oct 20th, 2009, 09:58 PM
I still think that women's tennis is in a much better state than lots of people here are making it out to be, but I partially have to agree with you. The Roadmap simply doesn't work so far.

I largely agree. I still would rather watch the WTA than almost anything else, ATP tennis and soccer being about the only things I watch as much or more. But there's no doubt the Roadmap hurt the quality of women's tennis this year.

And Lena not having bangs.

teddyboysmith2
Oct 20th, 2009, 10:27 PM
i think the womens game is great, its good that so many matches are upsets and that there are new stars like wozniacki wickmayer oudin coming through, its boring in the mens game when all the seeds get through as predicted! it makes things interesting when u cant almost guarantee who is gonna win

teddyboysmith2
Oct 20th, 2009, 10:28 PM
Is the answer Yanina Wickmayer?

you can only beat who is infront of you

MBM
Oct 20th, 2009, 10:31 PM
you can only beat who is infront of you

no-one was getting at wickmayer, but rather at the seeded players projected to meet her at each round but failing to do so coz of a certain young american.... and a few others

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 20th, 2009, 10:33 PM
Is the answer Yanina Wickmayer?

Nope. It's W:rolleyes:ckmayer.

HRHoliviasmith
Oct 20th, 2009, 10:34 PM
Kim Clijsters winning the US Open blah, blah, blah...

TheAllan
Oct 20th, 2009, 10:35 PM
What's wrong with Wickmayer? She just proved her awesomeness as late as last week. And there's more to come.

teddyboysmith2
Oct 20th, 2009, 10:36 PM
no-one was getting at wickmayer, but rather at the seeded players projected to meet her at each round but failing to do so coz of a certain young american.... and a few others

yeah cool, i would love to have seen wickmayer play some top seeds but thats the way it went! i think wicky would have taken them out anyway :worship:

skanky~skanketta
Oct 21st, 2009, 04:41 AM
The roadmap shite is ridiculous. I liked it when players got to choose where they wanted to play.

Golovinjured.
Oct 21st, 2009, 08:20 AM
Roadmap.

Bad fields at many events, players were disinterested way more often than they should be, and it gave virtually no chance for any rivalries to develop. Possibly Serena-Dementieva and Serena-Azarenka earlier in the year, but everyone was losing too early, too often, for any real note worthy rivalry to eventuate. Destroyed or removed good events like Moscow, Zurich, Antwerp. Let the players play where they want, when they want. None of this mandatory shit, and zero-pointers. It's ridiculous.

Things will peak when Bali happens, it's going to be a mess I think. It will cap off the year nicely. :)

Ju's backhand
Oct 21st, 2009, 08:45 AM
Should've been a multiple choice poll

Caralenko
Oct 21st, 2009, 08:51 AM
I'd like to say the roadmap, but the Visa-gate was pretty epic. Not because Dubai wasn't heavily fined, I think they received as much as they should've, but the fact that it happened in the first place was pretty awkward for the WTA.

The idea of an international tennis organisation standing by while Dubai rejected a talented player a spot that she had reserved is just... :unsure:

roelc
Oct 21st, 2009, 03:42 PM
Should've been a multiple choice poll

i've thought about it, but then again, how many choices...
now we see what people think really was the worst, and apparently it's the roadmap and the safina-saga
i wonder of the WTA-board noticed that this new roadmap is a big failure...
shall they change something about it? probably not i guess

pov
Oct 21st, 2009, 03:47 PM
After seeing what Wozniacki just did, I just have to think as this whole year as a complete joke.

1. Safina being Nr.1 and playing like crap for a long time + not able to win a slam



Both Clijsters and Mauresmo reached the #1 spot two years before winning a major.

What is really a joke - a sad joke -is your reference to a mother winning a major. A stupid bias on your part

Tanja8
Oct 21st, 2009, 03:50 PM
Actually I don`t think women`s tennis is a joke. I`ve chosen an option in the poll though.
Girls try to do their best - if they don`t always succeed it doesn`t mean the tour is a joke.

bunch_01
Oct 21st, 2009, 04:05 PM
I picked roadmap because it doesn't seem well thought out. That doesn't mean I think the old European tournaments were better...just that they could have done a better job with the scheduling of these new Asian ones.


Many of the other items point to the strength of the WTA not the weakness. A lucrative sport is one where players are still at their peak at 30. That means Josefina Sixpack can dream of maybe being one of the elite one day for much longer than she should and will spend money accordingly.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Oct 21st, 2009, 04:08 PM
Brie Whitehead giving Diamond Jackson a 6-3 6-4 spanking :(

roelc
Oct 21st, 2009, 04:17 PM
Both Clijsters and Mauresmo reached the #1 spot two years before winning a major.

What is really a joke - a sad joke -is your reference to a mother winning a major. A stupid bias on your part

but when kim and amelie were nr1 one they didn't lose that much against random players, and their tennis was from a better level imo

the 'mother' thing is just an extra aspect of kim's comeback. i mean, giving birth must change your body in some way. just wanted to point out that she was off-tour for a long time and gave birth in the meanwhile

miffedmax
Oct 21st, 2009, 04:58 PM
I can't believe Safina's being #1 is tied. This, like most other evils, is a symptom of the Roadmap. And Lena not having bangs.

sammy01
Oct 21st, 2009, 05:00 PM
personally for me this year of the WTA has been a total mess. i think a lot of it can be put down to the roadmap. at the end of the day if the players dont wanna play or wanna play a MM instead of another tournament, let them, at least they may actually turn up looking to win.

Mynarco
Oct 21st, 2009, 05:04 PM
I thought there would be an option: Brie Whitehead defeats Lateeefa Brown 6-2 6-1.

Serena's outburst is just horrible.

roelc
Oct 21st, 2009, 05:04 PM
I can't believe Safina's being #1 is tied. This, like most other evils, is a symptom of the Roadmap. And Lena not having bangs.

though last year it was a kind of similar story with jankovic, without roadmap

AleOrtu
Oct 21st, 2009, 05:19 PM
There all good things!!
Exept for #2



Letīs see:
1. Safina being Nr.1 and playing like crap for a long time + not able to win a slam
Good, different players may win GS and it still remains competitive.

2. Serena "I am the real Nr.1" Williams completely losing it at the US Open semifinal
:tape:

3. WTA board not giving heavy sanctions to Dubai organizers for not letting Peer play
this is bad too.

4. Reaching the semifinals of a grand slam beating Razzano - Peng - Errani - Kvitova - K.Bondarenko
Excellent! Fresh blood, new faces, competitive level.

5. A mother winning a grand slam at 3rd tournament after more than 2 years away from the tour
Excellent! A great athelt!

6. Wozniacki retiring at 7-5 5-0 in the first round of Luxembourg
That is not bad. It happened it ATP some years ago, the player retired with match point for himself, but he knew his injure would not let him play the next round.

7. All top-10 players having multiple losses against low-ranked players
Do you know what are warranties? They receive money from the tournament for showing up. When Kafelnikov was ATP #1 in 1999 or 2000 he lost about 15 first rounds, but he showed his face as #1 in these tournaments.

8. Most of the top seeds crashing at first round matches in Tokyo and "Mandatory" Beijing
Same the previous answer. Anyway, hatoff for the lower ranked who managed to defeat them, new blood.

9. WTA roadmap, international tournaments without top players and injured top players at mandatory events
Top players need to rest.

10. WTA-201 winning a premier tournament
Well done!! That makes the circuit competitive.




I think I am not the only one who was bored of the Serena-Venus-Venus-Serena and then Clijsters-Henin-Henin-Clijsters-Henin finals.
Itīs great to see new faces, the same happened in Formula One when finally Schumacher retired.

MaBaker
Oct 21st, 2009, 05:56 PM
Wozniacki in top5.

perseus2006
Oct 21st, 2009, 05:59 PM
The only blight on the WTA in 2009 was Serena: starting with her unprincipled disparagement of Safina, supported by her father's abusive "sanowa" comments, and continuing with her threats against players and officials in subsequent tournaments and culminating in the USO incident where she physically threatened a linesperson with her racquet - and so far has gotten away with it!!! Serena may be good at tennis, but her behavior does not justify her presence on court. Serena is a thug and a bully not a sportswoman. Serena may have won titles but she doesn't have the stuff of a "real" champion.

C. Drone
Oct 21st, 2009, 06:39 PM
lame poll.

so called "Roadmap" is the 2nd best thing this year, next after Dinara is #1. :hearts:

mure
Oct 21st, 2009, 06:44 PM
well said Catriel.

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 27th, 2009, 01:06 AM
They should add the champions only and bridesmaids only group in the YEC to the poll. :help:

Lord Choc Ice
Oct 27th, 2009, 01:10 AM
Perhaps the thing that's most annoyed me about the WTA this year is that you just know that all the time there are going to be players who make fluke runs at slams or roadmap events but are never ever going to build on it. Think of like Kleybanova and Oudin.

I voted for Safina at #1 but I guess the roadmap is just as much to blame. Either way they have to do something, the WTA is totally pathetic right now. :help:

StephenUK
Oct 27th, 2009, 10:24 AM
I wanted to vote for all of them. The women's tour totally lost its way this year with the roadmap. Making players play in events where they don't want to be just does not work. The top players were so poor this autumn that you almost felt that they were on strike against being made to play in Asia. This will have to change next year, with less mandatory events, and more choice. The schedule is a mess - it is ridiculous to have Moscow the week before Doha. They should move the YEC indoors to St Petersburg - that way the Russians would have the pseudo-slam they surely deserve.

The result of all this has been a catalogue of dismal performances by the top players. The 'battle' for the top ranking between Safina and Serena has been absolutely pathetic, with each one trying to outdo each other for dudness once they get the ranking. Justine was ridiculed in 2008 for losing to a player like Schiavone ranked 24; these days it seems that you can't be no 1 unless you lose to a player outside the top 100 during your tenure at the top and Safina plumbed the absolute depths by losing to nos 145 and 226 in consecutive events this autumn. But she has only been no 1 because Serena has been so useless - when she briefly held the no 1 ranking the other week, she had won the lowest number of events of any no 1 ever with her measly total of 2. Her fans will say that those tournaments were slams and of course, that is why she has been in the top 2, but the rest of the year she has totally shortchanged the tennis public with a series of execrable performances and her focus this autumn has clearly not been her tennis but selling her rubbishy book.

It is a shame that the WTA can't sack the top 10 en masse (it would be in the spirit of the credit crunch) but unfortunately, it now has the nightmare scenario of all of them playing badly at once so there is no real competition for the top. What it needs to do is sit down with the players in Doha and work out a new season with them that they will support and hopefully that will stop this rottenness continuing in 2010.

Jose.
Oct 27th, 2009, 10:57 AM
I think every options mentioned. :yeah:

Golovinjured.
Oct 27th, 2009, 11:08 AM
SEWTA=WASTE


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Tanja8
Oct 27th, 2009, 06:10 PM
They should add the champions only and bridesmaids only group in the YEC to the poll. :help:
Glad to see Lena is not amongst bridesmaids;)

SAEKeithSerena
Oct 27th, 2009, 06:13 PM
safina being number one. ONE FLAWED ASS RANKING SYSTEM

BournemouthBoy
Oct 27th, 2009, 06:19 PM
Safina was amazing this season, how can you say she shouldnt be no.1 ! or maybe you only followed tennis since July

Talula
Oct 27th, 2009, 06:33 PM
There have been slamless No 1s before, and no doubt will be again, and Safina at least does stand a chance of winning her first slam in 2010. Safina being No 1 didn't do that much damage in the big scheme of things. But I have never seen behaviour such as Serena's by a female player and it did damage the Tour's reputation due to the level of publicity it inevitably got. There were jokes and comments about it on TV programmes that normally don't even mention tennis. One of the greatest champions of all time simply should not behave like that just because they are losing a match. Graf, Navratilova, Seles, King, Venus - the list goes on - none of them ever behaved like that on court.

sammy01
Oct 27th, 2009, 06:42 PM
can we add doha already to the list, 2 matches down and im halfway through a jar of valium and reaching for chocolate to console me :sad:

omoruyi
Oct 27th, 2009, 06:53 PM
who was the #201-ranked primera-tourney winner?

Slutiana
Oct 27th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Everything.

Tanja8
Oct 27th, 2009, 07:07 PM
who was the #201-ranked primera-tourney winner?
Dulgheru in Warsaw? (I`m not sure about her ranking then but it was somewhere around 200)

omoruyi
Oct 27th, 2009, 07:37 PM
in any case i guess it is a 'Roadmap' issue.

mure
Oct 27th, 2009, 07:43 PM
bitching fans like Slutiana(aka Tutu :haha:)

Beat
Oct 27th, 2009, 08:00 PM
it hasn't become a joke, otherwise i wouldn't follow it. but the new roadmap i do not like.

AleOrtu
Oct 28th, 2009, 02:38 PM
The top players were so poor this autumn that you almost felt that they were on strike against being made to play in Asia. This will have to change next year, with less mandatory events, and more choice.


Itīs nice the WTA moves the show to Asia and other places. It is not fair the tour focuses only in Europe and North America.
They should also bring it here to South America, despite there is only one top100 player (Dulko 35° and then De Los Rios 110°) there is a lot of passion here and we can only see WTA players in FedCup. I would say the same for Africa but I donīt know the level of interest they have over there.



The schedule is a mess - it is ridiculous to have Moscow the week before Doha. They should move the YEC indoors to St Petersburg - that way the Russians would have the pseudo-slam they surely deserve.

I agree with you in this point. They can manage to improve "the tour", making tournaments in the same zone together and/or consecutive weeks. That can be improved.
Anyway, if you surf the little map divided by months in the WTA website, you see May, June and July were played only in Europe
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Tournaments/0,,12781,00.html


The result of all this has been a catalogue of dismal performances by the top players.

It is a shame that the WTA can't sack the top 10 en masse (it would be in the spirit of the credit crunch) but unfortunately, it now has the nightmare scenario of all of them playing badly at once so there is no real competition for the top. What it needs to do is sit down with the players in Doha and work out a new season with them that they will support and hopefully that will stop this rottenness continuing in 2010.

What players? Just the top 8?
Unfair! If they do not support the schedulle/tour/whatever, there are other players behind that will play, what the hell do we need "stars"?
Graf, Seles, Davenport, Sabatini, Capriati have retired but the world is still running.


(but I agree with you the tour callendar can be improved somehow).
And I would like to see more weeks between Roland Garros and Wimbledon, 4 weeks instead of 2, it would be great to see more grass events.

StephenUK
Oct 28th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Catriel, you make good points in theory but practically it won't work.

I am not sure whether the top players were playing so badly this autumn just because of the location of the events or whether it was just because they were sick of the whole roadmap and the whole of 2009 and these events bore the brunt. It is often hard to get top players to play well when the slams are all finished, especially if they have already qualified for YEC. Making them play in mandatory events this time of year does not work.

The location is not irrelevant. The tour was mainly based in the US to start with and expanded in Europe particularly in the 80s onwards. The top players are now mainly Europeans with the Williams sisters representing the US and a few other nationalities thrown in. Players will always naturally want to play close to home and so the North American and European predominance is not that surprising. Also, who wants to jet across continents if they can fly 2 hours to the next stage? Jelena Jankovic was clearly at a disadvantage playing Moscow and then moving to Doha the following week. Expanding into new continents has to be handled with care - forcing players to play in China and Japan when they don't want to, won't work.

I think the number of mandatory events should be cut down to the slams and maybe Miami and one European clay event, though to be honest, having compulsory events before the slams has made many top players overtired before the slams and I am not sure it worked. It certainly failed for the US Open Series which seemed a very heavy build up. Maybe they should completely scrap compulsory events besides the slams and bring back the Tier system.

I am not on strike against the Asia swing but it looked like Safina and the Williams sisters were. Serena has been phoning in her performances like Richard Burton in Exorcist II: the Heretic. If she can't be bothered to perform, why should the public pay to watch?

Re sitting down with the top players, they should also sit down with the Bali brigade for a straw poll of the next level down. Unfortunately, everyone else has dispersed - this has to be sorted out, we can't wait until the Australian Open to review the calendar for 2010 or the agony is set to continue next year with disastrous results for the tour.

phelbyn
Oct 28th, 2009, 05:37 PM
Thank godness for Clijsters. She salvaged the year.