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drake3781
Sep 14th, 2009, 07:11 PM
It will be interesting to see what comes out here, when the suspect is identified. Don't know what to expect right now. This is the only outlet I found who has already stated that the suspect is a student. Others have said nothing about suspect except that it is a male, and he has failed a lie detector test. Also the bloody clothes stashed in the ceiling tiles are believed to be his and are being tested.

Note, when they say "student" this is likely a graduate student who is also considered a "worker" at the school.

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Police: Student is suspect in Yale killing



MSNBC.com is reporting police have a suspect in the murder of UR graduate Annie Le.

NEW HAVEN, Conn. - Police have identified a suspect in the killing of a person whose body was found stuffed behind a wall in a high-security laboratory building at Yale University, law enforcement sources told NBC News on Monday.

The suspect, a student, has defensive wounds, and failed a polygraph test, police said.

The body found Sunday in the Yale Medical School building is believed to be that of Annie Le, a 24-year-old native of Placerville, Calif. She was last seen in the building on Tuesday.

Police found the female body around 5 p.m. Sunday. An autopsy is being performed to verify that the body is Le's.

For more Rochester, N.Y. news go to our website www.whec.com.

http://www.whec.com/whecimages/le_ann.jpg

drake3781
Sep 14th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Tiny additional tidbits:

The suspect is a student but not necessarily a Yale student.
The university is currently denying that there are any suspects or students involved in the case.
There is a "large quantity" of physical evidence, including the bloody clothes, and other evidence being taken from a trash incinerator site.
The suspect knew Le.
The bloody clothes are a match to the suspect.
The body has been now identified as that of Le.

Bijoux0021
Sep 14th, 2009, 09:31 PM
This case reminds me of the Manhattan cleaning woman, Eridania Rodriguez, who was killed 2 months ago by a co-worker at work. She was caught on surveillance video entering the building, but never came out. Her body was found stuffed in an air conditioning duct inside the building days later.

The building elevator operator is sitting in jail awaiting trail for her murder. Her family stated that she told them she was scared of this guy at work, but she couldn't afford to quit her job.

It's a disgrace that people are not even safe in the work place.:devil:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/07/12/2009-07-12_bound_body_of_cleaning_woman_who_vanished_tuesd ay_stuffed_in_air_duct_.html

drake3781
Sep 15th, 2009, 03:42 AM
^^ I will read up on that case, thanks. :D


The newest tidbits in the Annie Le case, for this evening:

A source familiar with the investigation said the probe has zeroed in on a single “serious” suspect.

The suspect is a Yale lab technician, an employee, who works with animal testing at Yale. He works in the building where the body was found.

That technician’s campus phone number was disconnected Monday afternoon and he couldn’t be reached for comment.

The technician allegedly had an unrequited love interest in Annie Le, according to that source. That suggestion couldn’t be independently verified Monday afternoon.

Contrary to national media reports, the suspect is not a student.

He reportedly has defensive wounds on his chest, as if he were in some type of a struggle, which drew police attention.

The Yale employee has been under the law enforcement microscope since before Annie Le's body was found Sunday in a mechanical chase in the basement of the 120,000-square-foot building.

Over the last week, police interviewed and re-interviewed roughly 100 people who work or have access to 10 Amistad St., and the person on whom police appear to be zeroing in was among them.

The unidentified lab tech failed an FBI polygraph exam and during questioning asked for an attorney to be present, and stopped answering questions.

The suspect is not in police custody.

Direwolf
Sep 15th, 2009, 05:30 AM
interesting to follow

drake3781
Sep 16th, 2009, 04:28 AM
Tuesday, he has been named:

Police Search Home of 'Person of Interest' in Yale Student's Murder
Police Search Home of Ray Clark, Who Worked at the Lab Where Annie Le's Body Found

Police investigating the murder of Yale graduate student Annie Le searched the apartment of a "person of interest" Tuesday evening.

No arrests were made, but police identified the occupant of the apartment as Raymond Clark, a technician at the Yale laboratory where Le's body was found Sunday.

At a news conference Tuesday evening, New Haven, Conn., Police Chief James Lewis said two search warrents were served, one on the residence and one on Clark himself, indicating investigators were seeking DNA evidence.

"We took him into custody to gather evidence from his body and his person," Lewis said. "If he cooperates, he'll be released this evening."

Approximately 150 pieces of evidence were gathered at the apartment, he said.

Authorities handcuffed Clark, escorteding him from his apartment building.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-autopsy-due-yale-murder/story?id=8577442
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http://www.foxnews.com/images/562875/5_23_a450.jpg

Sept. 15: Raymond Clark III, 24, is escorted out of an apartment building by police in Middletown, Conn.


Fewmore tidbits:

Clark shares the apartment with his girlfriend, Jennifer Hromadka. Middletown is about 20 miles north of New Haven.

Clark moved to Middletown from New Haven six months ago, and shares the apartment with his girlfriend and three cats, according to former neighbor Taylor Goodwin, 16.

A Yale University source reported that Clark did not show up for work Tuesday, nor did his fiancee, brother-in-law or sister, all of whom work for the university.

Inside the Wharfside Commons Apartment complex, a resident said she saw Clark and his fiancee leave the complex Sunday evening. One was pulling a suitcase with wheels and they got into a Ford Taurus that had an older couple in the front.

She said they looked nervous “and they looked like they were in a rush.”

Shown a photograph of Clark and the fiancee, she confirmed it was them.

New Haven police, however, said that Clark had been observed inside the complex as recently as Monday, down playing any notion that Clark was on the lam.

This Youtube is good: zA4b9wOaHvY


Here is Raymond Clark III and girlfriend Jennifer Hromadka. (What is he holding?)
http://www.techbanyan.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Jennifer-Hromadka-ray-clark.jpg

RFSTB
Sep 16th, 2009, 04:45 AM
OMG, she was found dead and locked inside a lab. How creepy.

If this technician is just a "person of interest" just brought in for questioning then released, as the police repeatedly mentioned, why did they handcuff him?

My heart goes out to the family. Must be heart breaking to have your child accepted to Yale only to be murdered.

skanky~skanketta
Sep 16th, 2009, 04:46 AM
What a pity. I can never understand what can go off to lead people to murder. Annie, obviously being from Yale must have been an intelligent woman. Seeing that's she's of Asian descent, her family must have been extra proud of her. Now she's dead. For no damn reason. I can't even begin to comprehend the grief and pain her family must be feeling.

Infiniti2001
Sep 16th, 2009, 04:59 AM
What a pity. I can never understand what can go off to lead people to murder. Annie, obviously being from Yale must have been an intelligent woman. Seeing that's she's of Asian descent, her family must have been extra proud of her. Now she's dead. For no damn reason. I can't even begin to comprehend the grief and pain her family must be feeling.

The more I hear about this, the more I think the person responsible her was obsessed with her. I just can't accept this as a random act. :shrug:

drake3781
Sep 16th, 2009, 06:08 AM
To the above: this was not a random act and the police have already stated that it was not. The fact that she was killed in her workplace which was a security controlled building, and the fact that the suspect and victim knew each other, makes that quite clear.

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I have just read the first news that she was asphyxiated. This has not been reported officially, and could be a mistake or a leak. I was not expecting it and caught my breath when I saw it.

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But there is blood. Could be an asphyxiation with other events that caused bleeding, especially since they are talking about droplets and not enough to have caused death by bleeding.

"Police had to remove part of the wall to get to the crawl space.

The Courant source said evidence recovered from the scene indicates that Le was killed in a different room in the basement lab and moved to a second room where the crawl space is located.

The source said only someone with intimate knowledge of the lab's layout could have accessed the crawl space. The source said droplets of blood were found in one of the lab rooms where police believe the killing took place. The blood is being analyzed at the state forensic laboratory."

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Le was Vietnamese-American.

Tennisballova
Sep 16th, 2009, 08:50 AM
Thanx Drake3781 for the updates :yeah:. This is one crazy story...

Ellen Dawson
Sep 16th, 2009, 09:03 AM
Drake, I know you're dying to see what Raymond Clark looks like:

http://news.lalate.com/2009/09/16/jennifer-hromadka-raymond-clark/

Tennisballova
Sep 16th, 2009, 09:04 AM
A Yale University source reported that Clark did not show up for work Tuesday, nor did his fiancee, brother-in-law or sister, all of whom work for the university.

Inside the Wharfside Commons Apartment complex, a resident said she saw Clark and his fiancee leave the complex Sunday evening. One was pulling a suitcase with wheels and they got into a Ford Taurus that had an older couple in the front.


Here is Raymond Clark III and girlfriend Jennifer Hromadka. (What is he holding?)
http://www.techbanyan.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Jennifer-Hromadka-ray-clark.jpg
So probably there are more people involved. Or at least knew about it :confused:. And I think he is holding a fish bowl with booze in his hands (check out the slice of lime in there;)).

drake3781
Sep 16th, 2009, 05:26 PM
I think the other people are family/girlfriend who were trying to help him after the fact.

Yes, I thought it was one of those fish bowl drinks!! But I've never seen a little one like that, only the very large ones that you put in the middle of the table and everybody drinks from with straws.

drake3781
Sep 16th, 2009, 05:31 PM
Drake, I know you're dying to see what Raymond Clark looks like:

http://news.lalate.com/2009/09/16/jennifer-hromadka-raymond-clark/



Thanks! This site has some useful info from the Myspace account. I tried to find that Myspace page last night but couldn't.


Jennifer Hromadka and Raymond Clark live together and share a joint myspace account preparing for their 2011 wedding. On the myspace account which Hromadka refers to Clark as her “wonderful boyfriend Ray.” Hromadka blogs:

“I love hanging out with Ray’s family (he has a great one) and playing with \[his sister\] Denise and \[her husband\] Shawn’s Adorable kids, Caleb and Brielle.”

But in May 2008, Jennifer Hromadka wrote on myspace about a rumor that Clark was having an affair with another Yale lab tech:

“My boyfriend, Ray, if you don’t know him, has no interest in any of the other girls at YARC as anything more than friends.

“He is a bit naive, doesn’t always use the best judgment, definitely is not the best judge of character but he is a good guy.

“He has a big heart and tries to see the best in people ALL THE TIME! even when everyone else is telling him that the person is a psycho or that the person can’t be trusted.

“He thinks everyone deserves a second chance and has a hard time hurting people’s feelings and it takes him getting burned to learn.”

drake3781
Sep 16th, 2009, 05:34 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/09/16/connecticut.missing.yale.student/art.yale.basement.ydn.jpg

Authorities said they found Le's body in a basement wall of this medical research building.

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You can see why it was so hard to find the body - this is just part of the basement of this huge building - and nobody knew she was in the wall in the first place. The type of opening in the wall is called a "chase" and it is used to allow wiring to go from floor to floor.

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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/09/16/us/yale.450.1.jpg

A police officer puts on a pair of rubber gloves before entering the apartment of Raymond Clark III, a Yale animal research technician who worked with murdered student Annie Le, in Middletown, Conn., Wednesday, Sept 16, 2009.

drake3781
Sep 16th, 2009, 05:40 PM
Here it is - 7 minutes ago first major news report that Annie Le was strangled to death. (I found it reported earlier last night, by one source.) Only CNN has reported this so far but it will be all over within the hour.

Yale student strangled to death, medical examiner's office says


updated 4 minutes ago

NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (CNN) -- Yale University graduate student Annie Le, whose body was found Sunday in the wall of a basement lab near the campus, was strangled to death, a spokesman for the Connecticut medical examiner's office said Wednesday.


(another report....)

The state medical examiner’s office has released the cause of death of the 24-year-old Yale grad student whose body was found stuffed into a basement wall on Sunday.

Annie Le died by “traumatic asphyxia due to neck compression,” a medical examiner spokeswoman reported at 1:15 p.m. Wednesday. No information was available about the condition of her body.

RFSTB
Sep 16th, 2009, 06:53 PM
Thanks! This site has some useful info from the Myspace account. I tried to find that Myspace page last night but couldn't.


Jennifer Hromadka and Raymond Clark live together and share a joint myspace account preparing for their 2011 wedding. On the myspace account which Hromadka refers to Clark as her “wonderful boyfriend Ray.” Hromadka blogs:

“I love hanging out with Ray’s family (he has a great one) and playing with \[his sister\] Denise and \[her husband\] Shawn’s Adorable kids, Caleb and Brielle.”

But in May 2008, Jennifer Hromadka wrote on myspace about a rumor that Clark was having an affair with another Yale lab tech:

“My boyfriend, Ray, if you don’t know him, has no interest in any of the other girls at YARC as anything more than friends.

“He is a bit naive, doesn’t always use the best judgment, definitely is not the best judge of character but he is a good guy.

“He has a big heart and tries to see the best in people ALL THE TIME! even when everyone else is telling him that the person is a psycho or that the person can’t be trusted.

“He thinks everyone deserves a second chance and has a hard time hurting people’s feelings and it takes him getting burned to learn.”

Why isn't SHE a suspect?

Direwolf
Sep 16th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Why isn't SHE a suspect?

who knows...
maybe the FBI are working with Ray
to catch her..

RFSTB
Sep 16th, 2009, 09:26 PM
who knows...
maybe the FBI are working with Ray
to catch her..

The plot thickens...

CSI New Haven.

Maybe they should let him be interrogated by the Guantanamo prison guards. That'll make him talk. :eek: The DNA evidence is going to be key, but they/he/she probably scrubbed her clean or wore gloves.

How can people live with themselves after doing something like this. How can they even sleep?

drake3781
Sep 16th, 2009, 10:24 PM
Clark and Le were both 24 years old, but Clark has a muscular build that contrasts sharply to Le's 4-foot-11, 90-pound frame. Clark also reportedly had a troubling brush with the law in high school after being accused of harassing a girlfriend.

Until recently, Clark's family lived in nearby Branford, a small middle-class suburb of New Haven. In September 2003, when he was a senior at Branford High School, Clark reportedly upset a girlfriend so much that police warned him to stay away from her.
The New Haven Independent reported that when the girl tried to break up with Clark, he attempted to confront her and wrote on her locker.

The girlfriend and her mother told a detective that she had been in a sexual relationship with Clark and that he once forced her to have sex. The relationship continued after that incident, according to the Independent, a news Web site.

The young woman did not pursue the case, and no charges were filed. The Independent reported that Clark was warned in 2003 that police would pursue criminal charges against him if he contacted the girl.

Branford Police Lt. Geoffrey Morgan told The Associated Press on Wednesday that his department would not release the unsubstantiated 2003 report. Morgan would neither confirm nor deny the news report, citing cooperation with police investigating the killing.

Clark played baseball at Branford High School, where longtime athletic director Artie Roy remembered him as a quiet student who threw a mean knuckleball.

"He was a seriously good pitcher and a good infielder," Roy said. "He wasn't a typical off-the-wall knucklehead kind of kid who bounced all over the place," he said.

On her MySpace page, Clark's fiancee, Jennifer Hromadka, calls Clark was a "wonderful boyfriend." She added that she's not perfect, but cautioned people not to judge her.

"Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect and I don't live to be, but before you start pointing fingers make sure your hands are clean!!" the 23-year-old wrote.

The date of the MySpace posting is unclear. The page has since been taken down.

Police are not commenting on a possible motive.

(and more at http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j3Z7m0uROG-_CM8GzpRCqE2M9IbwD9AOLM000 )

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Other interesting tidbits about Clark:

“He is the only one we have a search warrant for,” Chief Lewis said, though not elaborating on whether Ms. Le and Mr. Clark had a personal connection. “They worked in the same building, they passed in the same hallways.”

Mr. Lewis added that police knew where Mr. Clark was at all times, but that investigators were also “re-interviewing” other people.

“We’re keeping this open on who it might be,” Mr. Lewis said. If DNA analysis returned a match from the crime scene, “we would expect that the arrests would take place very quickly,” he added.

A researcher at another Yale lab in the building where Ms. Le’s body was found said that Mr. Clark had not been at work for several days. Besides his companion, Mr. Clark’s sister and brother-in-law also work as animal research technicians at Yale.

Chief Lewis said that Mr. Clark had cleaned the mouse cages, and did “custodial type work.”

The researcher said that Mr. Clark was “very officious and very demanding” and that Mr. Clark had given graduate students who worked as investigators a hard time.

“For example, you’re supposed to wear shoe covers on your feet, and he would make a big deal of it, instead of just requesting that they wear them,” said the researcher, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity. “I told his supervisor.”

Ann Marie Goodwin, a resident at a Victorian-style house in New Haven where Mr. Clark and his companion lived until about a year ago, described him as “very unsociable.”

Mr. Clark graduated from Branford High School in Branford, Conn., and he appears first in the 2004 yearbook as a member of the Asian Awareness Club. He is photographed next to two women of Asian descent. The club, according to the yearbook, made egg rolls for a faculty luncheon and raised money for a trip to Chinatown for the Chinese New Year in 2004.

drake3781
Sep 16th, 2009, 10:48 PM
First news I've found of this: her body was fully clothed when found.

moby
Sep 16th, 2009, 11:37 PM
Drake, just out of curiousity, why do you have such an immense interest in this case?

skanky~skanketta
Sep 17th, 2009, 12:55 AM
Drake, just out of curiousity, why do you have such an immense interest in this case?
I was wondering the same because it's contagious!

I'm going to go by the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. The media is only reporting all the stuff that could implicate him. Nothing on the positive side. So it's easy to find him creepy.

drake3781
Sep 17th, 2009, 01:47 AM
Drake, just out of curiousity, why do you have such an immense interest in this case?

I was wondering the same because it's contagious!

I'm going to go by the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. The media is only reporting all the stuff that could implicate him. Nothing on the positive side. So it's easy to find him creepy.


;) Well, I get involved in a lot of big murder and crime mysteries, probably going back to the Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman murders at the hands of OJ Simpson, a case which I followed detail by detail. It just interests me. A lite way to do the same is to watch shows like "Mystery" on PBS where you might follow Agatha Christie's Poirot character, "48 Hours" on network TV, and to read murder mystery series (I do all of these :p ).

I follow a lot more stories than the ones I highlight here, for example the horrible home invasion gang rape in the Dunbar housing project in West Palm Beach, FL where two convictions were just made (with more trials to go), the 2007 carjacking, rape, and murder of the University of Tennessee college students Channon Christian, 21, and her boyfriend, Christopher Newsom, 23 (convictions have recently come down in that case as well) and many others.

This particular story was ripe for following because only two days ago, virtually nothing was known about the case, but I felt it was about to balloon and a lot of data was about to come out. I could "data mine" the stories for the salient points. And I knew it would be interesting to see who the co worker who failed the lie detector test was, and what other interesting stuff came out. It's also fund to watch how the news gets reported, see what the media picks up, and often I find little details that don't get widely reported for another day or two after I already found them out.

Sally Struthers
Sep 17th, 2009, 02:10 AM
Drake, just out of curiousity, why do you have such an immense interest in this case?

first the boston college craiglist killer and now the yale one. SHe must like college aged killers :D

RFSTB
Sep 17th, 2009, 03:49 AM
This story is on the front page of the NYTimes and WSJ like everyday the past few days. Kinda hard to avoid. I think it's shocking for many people because it happened not just at any unversity but at Yale, one of the top 3 universities in the US if not the world. Many, many famous people including President Bush, President Clinton as well as Hillary Clinton went to Yale.

moby
Sep 17th, 2009, 02:10 PM
I guess it's just superficially more shocking, because crimes like this could easily have happened in any place, and in any working environment. Of course, I'm using "easily" loosely - but the particularity of the institution should have less bearing on the crime unless it is a case of lax campus security, and this murder does not fall under that category.

For those who are interested, Raymond Clark has just been arrested in connection with the murder.

RFSTB
Sep 17th, 2009, 02:59 PM
Front page news again in both NYTImes and Wall Street Journal, with a picture of his arrest.

If this happened at Ohio State or some other lesser school, I'm sure it'll hardly get any mention in either paper.

I still maintain they need to investigate his girlfriend. She sounds a bit possessive to me on her webpage.

drake3781
Sep 17th, 2009, 07:52 PM
-- After Clark was released from the searches done by warrant Tuesday night and Wednesday (these searches including seizing his Ford Mustang), he left home and went to a Super 8 motel in Connecticut. The motel was surrounded by police all last night and he was arrested there at 8:20 today (Thursday). Police were supposedly waiting for any single DNA match to make the arrest, so we can assume that there is a DNA match.

-- There are text messages between Clark and Le: he texted her asking to meet to discuss the (lack of) cleanliness of her work area with the research mice cages. See a note above where another researcher says he complained to Clark's supervisor because he felt Clark was too officious about doing his job and about cleanliness.

-- The evidence includes bloody surgical gloves.

-- Police are confident there was only one killer.

-- Clark appeared in court in handcuffs and leg chains. Bail was set at $3 million which is considered high even in such a case. His original attorney was replaced today by public defenders.

-- Raymond Clark 3rd is being held in the private unit at the New Haven Community Correctional Center for his own protection. "He is in solitary confinement for his own safety because of the nature of his crime," Lt. John Bernard told the News. "We don't know who is out there maybe waiting to take action against him." In his first few hours behind bars, the 24-year-old Clark has looked shell-shocked, Bernard said. "He's just somber," Bernard added. "It's his first time in jail. This is all new to him. He hasn't cried. He hasn't said a word to anyone."

-- Clark has wounds on his chest, arms and back, sources told ABC News, suggesting a violent struggle. A bead from Le's necklace was found on the floor of the basement lab where Le's body and blood spots were found on a laundry cart there.

-- Sources told the Hartford Courant that Clark's Yale swipe card indicated he was the last person to see Le alive. The electronic trail left by his card indicated he had entered the same lab where Le was last seen. Clark also reportedly swiped his identification card at least 10 times in the hours surrounding Le's disappearance, the paper reported. Police could track Clark's movements by reviewing the data from his digital key card, which shows he entered the building no fewer than 10 times, including after hours, on the day Le went missing, according to law enforcement sources.

-- Motive: why would somebody want to kill a brilliant and well-liked grad student? Police do not say but mention "workplace violence", indicating it was not a "crime of passion" (she was not sexually assaulted) but more one of anger/rage in the workplace. This is still quite unclear and still to be developed.

-- Le's Facebook page showed her posing in wedding dresses and smiling with Widawsky, a Columbia University graduate student in physics, whom she described as her best friend. "He's an amazing kid, just a wonderful, wonderful boy, and he must be heartbroken," Widawsky's friend Linda Matychack said. "I just can't imagine."

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/09/13/amd_annie_le_widawsky.jpg

Dawn Marie
Sep 17th, 2009, 09:17 PM
This is a hard crime case for me to follow. I don't know why but this case is hitting me in a personal way. This kid had so much going for her and was about to get married.

drake3781
Sep 18th, 2009, 12:05 AM
This is a hard crime case for me to follow. I don't know why but this case is hitting me in a personal way. This kid had so much going for her and was about to get married.


Yes, I completely agree with you.

And I even feel for the guy: I mean his life is over now, he spent his last night ever free last night at the Super 8 motel, he will spend the rest of his days in prison and he will likely even be executed. He did something horrible, unplanned, but I know I've made a few huge mistakes - not criminal nor this serious, of course , but I somehow got second chances or found my way out.... for him this ended his life and there is no way out of it. The bleak permanancy of it is striking.

spiceboy
Sep 18th, 2009, 12:36 AM
Sorry for the off-topic, but I remember a year ago or so big news about some US foreign students in Italy who killed another one. Last I heard was the big show trial...anyone remember the outcome? Were they guilty or not? Any wiki link, can't remember their names :mad:

Dawn Marie
Sep 18th, 2009, 12:37 AM
I dont feel for this guy at all. Infact I want to cuss him out and beat his ass! This is different, something about this girls "light". I felt that she was a good soul and her life was taken for no damn reason! I feel for her family and friends. Imagine everybody getting ready for the wedding instead they going to this young promising girls funeral. and for what? NO! This pisses me off and it's so sad!

LeonHart
Sep 18th, 2009, 01:15 AM
Yes, I completely agree with you.

And I even feel for the guy: I mean his life is over now, he spent his last night ever free last night at the Super 8 motel, he will spend the rest of his days in prison and he will likely even be executed. He did something horrible, unplanned, but I know I've made a few huge mistakes - not criminal nor this serious, of course , but I somehow got second chances or found my way out.... for him this ended his life and there is no way out of it. The bleak permanancy of it is striking.

I don't think he'll be executed. Maybe spend 50 years in jail.

drake3781
Sep 18th, 2009, 03:50 AM
I dont feel for this guy at all. Infact I want to cuss him out and beat his ass! This is different, something about this girls "light". I felt that she was a good soul and her life was taken for no damn reason! I feel for her family and friends. Imagine everybody getting ready for the wedding instead they going to this young promising girls funeral. and for what? NO! This pisses me off and it's so sad!

Of course it is tragic. :hug:

drake3781
Sep 18th, 2009, 03:56 AM
I don't think he'll be executed. Maybe spend 50 years in jail.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Connecticut

The entire article is an interesting read, in and of itself.

It does look like this will not fall under the definition of a "Capital Felony" in the State of Connecticut (assuming there was no sexual assault, and it seems at this time that there was not).

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Capital felonies

Connecticut's capital felony statute (Connecticut General Statute §53a-54b) outlines eight forms of murder that render a convicted individual eligible for capital punishment. Capital forms of murder, subject to the death penalty in Connecticut, include:

murder of a police officer or firefighter; murder of a prison employee by an inmate;

being paid to commit a murder; paying someone to commit a murder;

murder by an individual who has previously been convicted of murder; murder that occurs while
committing a felony;

murder by an individual who is serving a sentence of life imprisonment;

murder of a kidnapping victim;

murder that occurs while committing a first-degree sexual assault;

murder of two or more people at the same time or in same transaction; and

murder of an individual under the age of 16.

Tennisballova
Sep 18th, 2009, 08:49 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/18/yale.killing.arrest/index.html

18 Sept.
NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (CNN) -- New Haven Police Chief James Lewis on Thursday described the killing of Yale graduate student Annie Le as an instance of "workplace violence," but he did not elaborate...

...While the motive is still unclear, Lewis said police do not consider the killing a domestic crime and are treating it as the result of "workplace violence."

So, does this mean that the police concludes that the suspect and its victim were not involved in any personal/private way?:confused:

Goai
Sep 18th, 2009, 09:50 AM
Such a pity... such a bright girl :sad:

Valanga
Sep 18th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Miss Le is beautiful, young, and has a bright future. It's just sad to know she would end up being murdered.
Rest in Peace.

drake3781
Sep 18th, 2009, 05:34 PM
An excellent article building an understanding of the workplace in this crime. It explains what work in the labs is like, the roles of the researchers vs the technicians, what work the technicians have to do and what they are responsible for, and what types of interactions the two have. Gives a lot of insight into what occurred there.

It had occurred to me that these technicians may be responsible for killing the animals after the experiments are done, and I find in this article that is the case - Clark did on a daily basis have to take the animals marked with green neon tags to the basement and euthanize them. The university acknowledges this is a difficult job requirement and even provides counseling for the technicians. In my opinion, doing this even once, but in these workers' case on a daily basis, could desensitize them to killing.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/697679

Tennisballova
Sep 18th, 2009, 07:00 PM
An excellent article building an understanding of the workplace in this crime. It explains what work in the labs is like, the roles of the researchers vs the technicians, what work the technicians have to do and what they are responsible for, and what types of interactions the two have. Gives a lot of insight into what occurred there.

It had occurred to me that these technicians may be responsible for killing the animals after the experiments are done, and I find in this article that is the case - Clark did on a daily basis have to take the animals marked with green neon tags to the basement and euthanize them. The university acknowledges this is a difficult job requirement and even provides counseling for the technicians. In my opinion, doing this even once, but in these workers' case on a daily basis, could desensitize them to killing.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/697679
Interesting read. Thanx for posting :yeah:

Veritas
Sep 19th, 2009, 03:21 AM
Yes, I completely agree with you.

And I even feel for the guy: I mean his life is over now, he spent his last night ever free last night at the Super 8 motel, he will spend the rest of his days in prison and he will likely even be executed. He did something horrible, unplanned, but I know I've made a few huge mistakes - not criminal nor this serious, of course , but I somehow got second chances or found my way out.... for him this ended his life and there is no way out of it. The bleak permanancy of it is striking.

It does speak volumes and raise questions about the punishment (and justice?) system. In many cases, the perpetrator could also be a victim, whether by circumstances, a once-in-a-lifetime monumentally bad judgement, or something equally daunting. It's a cruel world out there, where society in general is just too self-absorbed to bother helping everyone or working out ideal ways to co-exist. It's the "you're responsible for yourself - never mind your upbringing or the environment you live in. They've got nothing to do with influencing how you behave. It's all down to you" mentality that has those judged 'unfit' forever cast away into the shadows, even those doing the judging could never be certain whether they might've acted the same way had they been subject to similar circumstances.

For the record, I can't think of another way to harmonise retribution and reconciliation. I guess society today just isn't mature enough or ready for it. Still, this is probably the best way today to deal with the perpetrator and give some sort of closure to the victim's family.

Direwolf
Sep 20th, 2009, 04:19 AM
This is a hard crime case for me to follow. I don't know why but this case is hitting me in a personal way. This kid had so much going for her and was about to get married.

same here...
idk why this case feels so heavy...
to anne and raymond...
moreso for anne...

Sorry for the off-topic, but I remember a year ago or so big news about some US foreign students in Italy who killed another one. Last I heard was the big show trial...anyone remember the outcome? Were they guilty or not? Any wiki link, can't remember their names :mad:

Victim: British- Meredith Kercher
The Roommate: American- Amanda Marie Knox

Direwolf
Sep 20th, 2009, 04:21 AM
This is a hard crime case for me to follow. I don't know why but this case is hitting me in a personal way. This kid had so much going for her and was about to get married.

i mean.. how could you love someone and end up killing them...
:sad::sad::sad:

drake3781
Sep 20th, 2009, 04:42 AM
i mean.. how could you love someone and end up killing them...
:sad::sad::sad:

I'm not sure what you mean. :confused: Her fiance did not kill her. And the prime suspect did not love her. :shrug:


I haven't reported much on this story in the past two days because there is really no new news.
- His attorney (public defender) is complaining about the information leaks - says it makes getting a fair trial more difficult.
- Another car was taken in for evidence - may be Ray's father's car. There is a possibility that some of his family could - in the future - be in trouble for attempting to help him after the crime occurred.
- Annie's body is home with her parents in Placerville, CA (a small town which I have actually visited, myself, one year ago - it is about one hour west of beautiful Lake Tahoe, CA.)

drake3781
Sep 22nd, 2009, 05:45 AM
I thought there was nothing much new, until I saw this video. Shocking statement that Annie's "body was so mangled with broken bones that it wasn't recognizable." OMG. It says that today's New York Post reports this, so I will try to find the article and see if there are more details.

The video also has some nice shots of Annie and her fiance, and a drawing of the chase in the wall where the body was hidden.

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mariahdg
Sep 22nd, 2009, 07:04 AM
I think I read somewhere her body was autoclaved

drake3781
Sep 27th, 2009, 06:57 AM
Mother bids emotional farewell at Yale student's funeral



(CNN) -- Mourners gathered Saturday in a California church to remember slain Yale graduate student Annie Le, 24, whose body was found on the day she was to be married.


"You were born in my loving embrace," said Le's mother, Vivian Van Le, reading a poem she'd written in Vietnamese to those gathered for the funeral at Holy Trinity Catholic Church in El Dorado Hills, California.


Chris Le -- her son and Annie Le's brother -- provided a translation.


"The most wonderful gift that God had sent to me. ... You left life at too young an age, at the beginning of many great things. All the dreams and hopes of your future gone with you to your resting place," Vivian Van Le said, according to her son.


Vivian Van Le addressed her daughter's fiance, Jonathan Widawsky, on Saturday at the funeral, saying, "Even now, Annie is gone. But I still have you and love you very much, like my son, Christopher."

Widawsky is a graduate student in physics at Columbia University, according to Yale.


Monsignor James C. Kidder told the mourners that "the worth of Annie's life was not its length, it was its intensity of love."


Yale released a statement Friday, saying that a university memorial service would be held on October 12. The university is also establishing a scholarship in Le's memory.


It released a statement from her family, saying "Annie was loved by everyone who knew her and special to all those who came in contact with her. ... Her laughter was infectious and her goodness was ingenuous. ... We will always remember her beautiful smile, her fun-loving spirit, and the joy that she brought to us all."


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/09/26/yale.student.funeral/art.yale.memorial.pool.jpg

Yale student Annie Le's family said in a statement that "her laughter was infectious."