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AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:15 PM
This sums up how Serena should be punished from the view of an attorney :

As an attorney, I know assault when I see it.

I also recognize workplace violence--and Serena's behavior in assaulting an official was certainly workplace violence. They were both, after all, working.

(I'm not going to go into the specifics of what Serena said and did. I saw it live. I watched video replays of it. She verbally and physically threatened the small Asian female lines person--and uttered profanities at her. And Serena is highly athletic with Amazonian muscles that could have been augmented by steroid use, threatened the woman three times with her body, her voice, and her racquet. That's an assault.)

Serena needs to be suspended and penalized by the WTA Tour.

The WTA Tour rules are very specific in what the WTA can do to Serena.

I just reviewed the WTA Tour Rules. You can find them at

www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour/Archive/AboutTheTour/rules.pdf

The "Code of Conduct" (starting at page 225) addresses the "point penalty schedule" (at page 229). The U.S. Open was correct to give Serena a "first warning" when she broke her racquet. And the U.S. Open was correct again in awarding a "point penalty" for the second offense.

The WTA Rules specify that point penalties "must be appealed on site to the Supervisor/Referee, whose decision shall be final." Serena did not appeal that point penalty. That's important. In addition to the "point penalty" that was awarded against her, the officials can also impose monetary penalties. "Any monetary penalties imposed in conjunction with a point penalty may be appealed in accordance with Procedures for Player . . . ." (See page 258.)

There are many penalties and fines imposed in the WTA Rules for Serena's behavior. Interestingly, those WTA Rules then point to "2009 Official Grand Slam Rule Book."

So, we look to the 2009 Grand Slam Rule Book which applies to the four official Grand Slam tournaments--including the U.S. Open.

Grand Slam rules state (at page 42) that audible obscenity subjects a player up to $10,000 for each.

Visible obscenity (page 43) gives you another $10,000 penalty, along with the Point Penalty Schedule.

Abuse of Racquet (page 43) gives another $1,000 violation.

Verbal Abuse (page 44) gives yet another separate $10,000 for each violation. This "verbal abuse" infraction can also lead to the "Aggravated Behavior" charge--which is the big one.

Physical abuse (page 44) also gives a player another $10,000 sanction.

Then there is "Unsportsmanlike Conduct" (page 44) which gives a player another separate $10,000 fine plus a point penalty. (Yes!!!)

Unsportsmanlike Conduct is defined in the Grand Slam Rules as the following:

"For the purposes of this Rule, Unsportsmanlike Conduct is defined as any misconduct by a player that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the Sport, but that does not fall within the prohibition of any specific on-site offence contained herein. In addition, unsportsmanlike conduct shall include, but not be limited to, the giving, making, issuing, authorising or endorsing any public statement having, or designed to have, an effect prejudicial or detrimental to the best interests of the tournament and/or the officiating thereof."

Wow! (Serena certainly committed this.)

Most importantly, "In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this Section shall also constitute the Major Offense of 'Aggravated Behavior' and shall be subject to the additional penalties hereinafter set forth therefor." (See page 43 of the Grand Slam Rules.)

Remember this folks, "Aggravated Behavior." This gives the WTA lots of room to toss Serena out of competition for a year!!!! (See page 60 of the Grand Slam Rules.)

"Aggravated Behavior" reads as follows:

"No player . . . shall engage in 'aggravated behavior' which is defined as follows:

1. One or more incidents of behavior designated in this Code as constituting 'aggravated behavior.'

2. One incident of behavior that is flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a Grand Slam, or is singularly egregious.

3. A series of two or more violations of this Code within a 12-month period which singularly do not constitute 'aggravated behavior,' but when viewed together establish a pattern of conduct that is collectively egregious and is detrimental or injurious to the Grand Slam.

Violation of this Section by a player . . . shall subject a player to a fine of up to $250,000 or the amount of prize money won at the tournament, whichever is greater, and a maximum penalty of permanent suspension from play in all Grand Slams and/or the Tennis Masters Cup."

Based on my reading of the Grand Slam Rules and "aggravated behavior," I would recommend that Ms. Williams forfeit all her winnings at the U.S. Open this year, and that she be suspended from competition for a year.

I watched Serena's post-match interview. She was completely unapologetic, arrogant, and self-centered. Wow.

Just now the announcers at the U.S. Open asked for Serena to issue a public apology for her behavior--which she has refused to do to date.

I'm hoping that if anyone has tickets to a womens' double tennis event in which Serena is playing in the U.S. Open (with her sister Venus), that the spectators literally turn their backs on Serena--or better yet--simply refuse to even attend the match.

It will be interesting to see what plays out.

If the U.S. Open and/or the WTA further penalize and sanction Ms. Williams, I believe she will appeal. And if that doesn't work, her dad may place the race card. Always an ugly and needless card to play given the circumstances. Ms. Williams needs to grow up, take anger management classes, eat some crow, apologize, and grow up.


Posted by: attorneygirl | September 13, 2009 at 12:12 PM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/09/serena-williams-foot-fault-video-.html

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:19 PM
Get over it. That sure as hell aint happening. And if it does, fuck the WTA and ITF.

Serena's lawyers are on it.

eck
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:20 PM
Meh.

Steroids?

Bosco123
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:21 PM
Do you recall Mariana Alvez being suspended for literately influencing the outcome of a match? no! SO Serena surely will not get punishment or else the WTA will be revealed in its Hugh hypocrisy.

Justin SW
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:22 PM
WTA and ITF is not the same :rolleyes:

F-R-E-A-K
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:25 PM
:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

Justin
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:26 PM
As an attorney, I know assault when I see it.



I'm not a Serena fan so, objectively, I can say that, under NY law, Serena did not commit assault. Maybe she did something else; but she did not commit assault.

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:29 PM
Serena should get slapped with 'aggravated behavior' and should face the maximum punishment. Her abysmal behavior is horrific on the world stage like that, and she made her country look foolish.

A fine of up to $250,000 or the amount of prize money won at the tournament, whichever is greater, and a maximum penalty of permanent suspension from play in all Grand Slams and/or the Tennis Masters Cup sounds like the right punishment for her crime.

vettipooh
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:29 PM
You're a dumbass attorney...the kind that would send your client straight to jail. :lol: You lost all credibility when you insinuated Serena uses steroids. :rolleyes:

gmokb
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:31 PM
Obviously somebody has no caseload:eek:

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Serena should get slapped with 'aggravated behavior' and should face the maximum punishment. Her abysmal behavior is horrific on the world stage like that, and she made her country look foolish.

A fine of up to $250,000 or the amount of prize money won at the tournament, whichever is greater, and a maximum penalty of permanent suspension from play in all Grand Slams and/or the Tennis Masters Cup sounds like the right punishment for her crime.

:weirdo:

spiritedenergy
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Serena should get slapped with 'aggravated behavior' and should face the maximum punishment. Her abysmal behavior is horrific on the world stage like that, and she made her country look foolish.

A fine of up to $250,000 or the amount of prize money won at the tournament, whichever is greater, and a maximum penalty of permanent suspension from play in all Grand Slams and/or the Tennis Masters Cup sounds like the right punishment for her crime.

you are such a troll, you deserve a permanent suspension from internet:wavey:

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:33 PM
I didn't write the statement, I am not an attorney.

Look again, this was originally published at the LA Times website.

Right on cue the Williams sister trolls show up for the party, awesome !

vettipooh
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:34 PM
Obviously somebody has no caseload:eek:

Easy to see why.:lol:

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:34 PM
Where is our resident expert, DeeDee?

hater
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:38 PM
My theories about this post:

1. You have never been in a case, in real life or

2. You are related to the "assaulted" woman or

3. Both

Which one?

Direwolf
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:38 PM
Thanks for posting it...!!!

anyone have a Doctor's point of view??

youizahoe
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:38 PM
AnnaMariaMartina :

You forget one thing, Serena is emotional, and she has been a victim in the past, when this goes to court, they will look at that, and that will surely be favored in Serena's favor.

drake3781
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:39 PM
Interesting to see the rules and what the strictest interpretation of them would be.

I think the result will be - and should be - somewhere in between: a large fine and no suspension with the possible exception of forfeiting the doubles match - accompanied by a very strong warning on all her future actions that would lead to suspension.

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:39 PM
My theories about this post:

1. You have never been in a case, in real life or

2. You are related to the "assaulted" woman or

3. Both

Which one?

AGAIN, I DID NOT WRITE THAT, IT WAS PUBLISHED AT THE LA TIMES WEBSITE.

Justin SW
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:40 PM
USELESS! :yawn: :yawn: THREAD

Direwolf
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:40 PM
why y'all assaulting AnaMariaMartinaKim??

he said he didnt write this article...

supergrunt
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:40 PM
well that is being punished to the full extent of the law- and how many tennis players get that?

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:41 PM
From one attorney to another...go fuck yourself :wavey:!!!

Direwolf
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:42 PM
well that is being punished to the full extent of the law- and how many tennis players get that?

as a celebrity...
Serena will probably get 5 mins of jail term

Zweli
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:42 PM
Laughable,go on do more research

-jenks-
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:42 PM
LMAO at all these comments bashing the OP. If you actually read the ENTIRE post you see that this is not his/her own words but was taken from a website. Good job Serena fans :rolleyes:

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:43 PM
Jesus, I feel like the poor lineswoman last night.

Serena fans are just like Serena around here.

-jenks-
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:44 PM
Jesus, I feel like the poor lineswoman last night.

Serena fans are just like Serena around here.

:worship:

jefrilibra
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:46 PM
Where the hell were these lawyers when she was blatantly wronged in 2004?

tennisfanxx
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:47 PM
This poster's previous posts are filled with hate not only towards to Serena but to black people:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=15100275&postcount=34

He is a previously banned poster who has called Common a thug and other things as well.

Just_lindsay
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:47 PM
AnnaMariaMartina :

You forget one thing, Serena is emotional, and she has been a victim in the past, when this goes to court, they will look at that, and that will surely be favored in Serena's favor.

When has she ever been a victim? When she threatened Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez with physical violence earlier this year? This is a disturbing pattern from Serena and the WTA is treading a dangerous path by letting such behavior slide.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:47 PM
Where the hell were these lawyers when she was blatantly wronged in 2004?

OKAYY! Thank you.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:50 PM
Jesus, I feel like the poor lineswoman last night.

Serena fans are just like Serena around here.

Making blanket statements, so original :rolleyes:

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:50 PM
Jesus, I feel like the poor lineswoman last night.

Serena fans are just like Serena around here.
Ahhh...so now your point REALLY comes across :spit:. Like I said...fuck off. Proud to be associated with a talented, intelligent young lady like Serena Williams :hearts:.

mauresmofan
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:51 PM
I'm not an attorney but I am a sportsman and I am well aware of what can happen in the heat of battle. It is only assault if she laid her hands on the woman and physically hurt her and she didn't do that she threatened her which is different and it was in the heat of battle so obviously wasn't meant. Banning Serena is way over the top and I think an appology is the right course of action.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:53 PM
And the "attorney" who wrote that mess lacks any type of professionalism by suggesting Serena is taking steroids and providing her personal bias on the matter.

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:53 PM
Ahhh...so now your point REALLY comes across :spit:. Like I said...fuck off. Proud to be associated with a talented, intelligent young lady like Serena Williams :hearts:.

You simply can not defend what Serena did or said. Would you like a dollar to buy a clue ?

I'm just the messenger here folks, I am just repeating what someone at the LA Times website said. Don't shoot the messenger. Don't yell at me like Serena yelled at the lineswoman.

mauresmofan
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:54 PM
And the "attorney" who wrote that mess lacks any type of professionalism by suggesting Serena is taking steroids and providing her personal bias on the matter.

Absolutely and I believe the term used for that is "Slander"

bobbynorwich
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:54 PM
Most importantly, "In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a tournament, or are singularly egregious, a single violation of this Section shall also constitute the Major Offense of 'Aggravated Behavior' and shall be subject to the additional penalties."

"Aggravated Behavior" reads as follows:

"No player . . . shall engage in 'aggravated behavior' which is defined as follows:

1. One or more incidents of behavior designated in this Code as constituting 'aggravated behavior.'

2. One incident of behavior that is flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of a Grand Slam, or is singularly egregious.

3. A series of two or more violations of this Code within a 12-month period which singularly do not constitute 'aggravated behavior,' but when viewed together establish a pattern of conduct that is collectively egregious and is detrimental or injurious to the Grand Slam.

Violation of this Section by a player . . . shall subject a player to a fine of up to $250,000 or the amount of prize money won at the tournament, whichever is greater, and a maximum penalty of permanent suspension from play in all Grand Slams and/or the Tennis Masters Cup."


Surely the ITF will meet to decide if this constitutes an "aggravated behavior" violation or something lessor. If the something lessor (just under the threshold of aggravated behavior) is found, she could still be put on notice that another similar incident within 12 months could by viewed with this incident "to establish a pattern of conduct that is collectively egregious."

This is in effect a warning of a possible lengthy suspension and hefty fine if she mind her manners carefully for the next 12 months.

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:57 PM
Surely the ITF will meet to decide if this constitutes an "aggravated behavior" violation or something lessor. If the something lessor (just under the threshold of aggravated behavior) is found, she could still be put on notice that another similar incident within 12 months could by viewed with this incident "to establish a pattern of conduct that is collectively egregious."

This is in effect a warning of a possible lengthy suspension and hefty fine if she mind her manners carefully for the next 12 months.

There is definately a pattern here, and I am sure we'll see this type of behavior in the future.

bobbynorwich
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:57 PM
Serena fans are just like Serena around here.

:yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah:

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:59 PM
You simply can not defend what Serena did or said. Would you like a dollar to buy a clue ?

I'm just the messenger here folks, I am just repeating what someone at the LA Times website said. Don't shoot the messenger. Don't yell at me like Serena yelled at the lineswoman.
She was in the wrong, but I understand WHY she did it. And some of you make it seem like she's the worse person ever and no one else ever blew up on the court. She's not right, but she's no thug either like some of these dumbfucks are trying to suggest!!!

manu32
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:59 PM
Trolllllllll

worst thread of the month...

and this "attorney" could have great problems??

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:01 AM
She was in the wrong, but I understand WHY she did it. And some of you make it seem like she's the worse person ever and no one else ever blew up on the court. She's not right, but she's no thug either like some of these dumbfucks are trying to suggest!!!

There is no reason whatsoever to talk to someone the way Serena berated and threatened that woman. Then to deny she threatened the woman just adds insukt to the entire world that watched her threaten the woman on live TV. Then, to say she doesn't need to apologize, well that just shows you how little class Serena actually has.

brodle1
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:04 AM
This sums up how Serena should be punished from the view of an attorney :

As an attorney, I know assault when I see it.

(I'm not going to go into the specifics of what Serena said and did. I saw it live. I watched video replays of it. She verbally and physically threatened the small Asian female lines person--and uttered profanities at her. And Serena is highly athletic with Amazonian muscles that could have been augmented by steroid use, threatened the woman three times with her body, her voice, and her racquet. That's an assault.)



Also as an attorney, I know that you didn't need to mention "Amazonian muscles" or "could have been augmented by steroid use" to prove a case for assault. Unfortunately, I have no idea if I actually agree with your analysis of the rules or not, as your clearly unnecessary and offensive statements made me immediately stop reading as it killed your credibility with me - and not because I'm a staunch defender of Serena's outburst yesterday (I'm not - she blew it, big time IMO, and I think even she probably realizes it).

As you, I'm sure, know - to prove a case of assault you need an intentional act causing the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim. In other words, the party being assaulted needs to reasonably believe that the aggressor intends to cause them harm. While the size and conduct of the aggressor definitely may matter (but only if these qualities adds or causes the victims apprehension), it certainly makes NO DIFFERENCE whether Serena's "muscles" were created as a result of steroid use or not. I can't see a court in any country who would consider the testimony of a witness as credible who said "Well, I wouldn't have been scared of her if her muscles were naturally large and didn't come from steroid use.").

IMO I do think she should be punished - to what extent I don't know. In any other major sport, she would be suspended, fined, or likely both. While I haven't taken the time to read the rules on this matter, it seems that tennis's governing body is extremely inconsistent on the punishments they hand out. I was shocked when Hingis was banned for 2 years, and yet Gasquet gets some severely reduced fine. IMO anything can happen.

Serena!
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:05 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen09/news/story?id=4469987


NEW YORK -- The U.S. Open has fined Serena Williams $10,000 for her tirade directed at a line judge at the end of a semifinal loss to Kim Clijsters.

It's the maximum on-site fine a Grand Slam tennis tournament can issue for unsportsmanlike conduct.

The U.S. Open said Sunday the Grand Slam Committee Administrator has opened an investigation to determine whether Williams' behavior should be considered a "major offense," which can lead to additional penalties.

Williams also is being docked $500 for racket abuse in what became a 6-4, 7-5 loss Saturday night.

Williams earned $350,000 in prize money for reaching the singles semifinals. She also is scheduled to play in the women's doubles final Monday with her sister Venus.

Williams issued a statement on Sunday night.

"Last night everyone could truly see the passion I have for my job," it read. "Now that I have had time to gain my composure, I can see that while I don't agree with the unfair line call, in the heat of battle I let my passion and emotion get the better of me and as a result handled the situation poorly. I would like to thank my fans and supporters for understanding that I am human and I look forward to continuing the journey, both professionally and personally, with you all as I move forward and grow from this experience."

delicatecutter
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:06 AM
No apologies. :worship:

Olórin
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:06 AM
10k. Gutted.

Warrior :worship: Keep on doing your thang. Haters, exit to the left.

supergrunt
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:07 AM
hm

bmxbandit
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:07 AM
Ownage statement.

Direwolf
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:07 AM
I so love her!!!
more

Tennisstar86
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:07 AM
so...she walked away with 340,000 + doubles prize money..... :haha:

youizahoe
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:07 AM
When has she ever been a victim? When she threatened Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez with physical violence earlier this year? This is a disturbing pattern from Serena and the WTA is treading a dangerous path by letting such behavior slide.

1. Racism at IW
2. Hand at FO SF 03
3. Calls at USO QF 04
4. Ball touching hand at 2009 FO

If they look at this, they will see, that they often misjudge against her, and that could explain her anger towards a mistake. And it will most likely be strong enough to hold as evidence.

Well, they met last week at the USO, did she kill her? :rolleyes:

Noctis
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:08 AM
10 k big fine :inlove: she paint her nails and spend half already :D

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:08 AM
'while I don't agree with the unfair line call' why say that it just makes her sound like she still has a chip on her shoulder. the best seat in the house by a trained professional called it a footfault, end of story.

youizahoe
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:08 AM
Jesus, I feel like the poor lineswoman last night.

Serena fans are just like Serena around here.

And you are even dumber than you already look, even Mary Carillo could be schooled by you in excellence.

Noctis
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:09 AM
Is people trying to get something big out of this?
awwwwww failed? dissapointed? gutted? you should be haters.

BlameSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:09 AM
10k. Gutted.

Warrior :worship: Keep on doing your thang. Haters, exit to the left.

Dit to.

Go Serena go!

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:09 AM
Perfect statement from Serena. I love it. That's exactly what I feel that an athlete who has been wronged should say.

Go out there and destroy Black/Huber and show why you and Venus are the #1 doubles team tomorrow.

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:10 AM
oh yeah and the word sorry is not to be found, just lame.

Tennisstar86
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:10 AM
'while I don't agree with the unfair line call' why say that it just makes her sound like she still has a chip on her shoulder. the best seat in the house by a trained professional called it a footfault, end of story.

trained professional.... :haha: have you seen the riffraff that make line calls with their thick ass glasses...who KNOWS what they can see.... we have HAWKEYE and a challenge system for a reason... :lol:

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:10 AM
'while I don't agree with the unfair line call' why say that it just makes her sound like she still has a chip on her shoulder. the best seat in the house by a trained professional called it a footfault, end of story.

:lol: So let me ask, why do we have Hawkeye then if these trained professionals are never wrong?

It wasn't a foot fault.

Slutiana
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:10 AM
:worship: You go gurk.

matty
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:10 AM
10k. Gutted.

Warrior :worship: Keep on doing your thang. Haters, exit to the left.

:D

Talula
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:10 AM
No apology for the worst behaviour I have ever seen by a female player. Dreadful. This I think will taint her reputation. A heartfelt apology would have done so much for her. It makes her look like a street thug. I have lost all respect for her.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:11 AM
If they ban her from events the ITF will have a serious lawsuit on their hands. There's so much evidence to suggest partiality dealing with this case.

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:11 AM
If they ban her from events the ITF will have a serious lawsuit on their hands. There's so much evidence to suggest partiality dealing with this case.

Yep. She will not be suspended. If it were a foot fault, maybe but the fact that the call was likely wrong almost validates Serena.

Do we really need to relive USO 04 QF? Serena has been on the tour for nearly 15 years. She has been screwed time and time again. When does it stop?

stkenyi
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:11 AM
Kill'em all by winning a calendar slam next year Serena. Do you ma.

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:13 AM
:lol: So let me ask, why do we have Hawkeye then if these trained professionals are never wrong?

It wasn't a foot fault.

you do know hawkeye isn't 100% accurate.

and yes it was, hence being called.

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:13 AM
you do know hawkeye isn't 100% accurate.

and yes it was, hence being called.

And neither are linesmen.

DragonFlame
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:13 AM
I guess that is the best apoligy you could get out of serena williams so i´m happy with this ending. She doesn´t deserve a ban or something like that, im glad she gets to play the doubles final. :) Let´s hope something like this doesn´t happen again. I do hope she apoligized against the linejudge as well though.

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:13 AM
love you Serena!

Miss Amor
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:13 AM
10k. Gutted.

Warrior :worship: Keep on doing your thang. Haters, exit to the left.

:worship:

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:14 AM
Also as an attorney, I know that you didn't need to mention "Amazonian muscles" or "could have been augmented by steroid use" to prove a case for assault. Unfortunately, I have no idea if I actually agree with your analysis of the rules or not, as your clearly unnecessary and offensive statements made me immediately stop reading as it killed your credibility with me - and not because I'm a staunch defender of Serena's outburst yesterday (I'm not - she blew it, big time IMO, and I think even she probably realizes it).

As you, I'm sure, know - to prove a case of assault you need an intentional act causing the apprehension of harmful or offensive contact in the victim. In other words, the party being assaulted needs to reasonably believe that the aggressor intends to cause them harm. While the size and conduct of the aggressor definitely may matter (but only if these qualities adds or causes the victims apprehension), it certainly makes NO DIFFERENCE whether Serena's "muscles" were created as a result of steroid use or not. I can't see a court in any country who would consider the testimony of a witness as credible who said "Well, I wouldn't have been scared of her if her muscles were naturally large and didn't come from steroid use.").

IMO I do think she should be punished - to what extent I don't know. In any other major sport, she would be suspended, fined, or likely both. While I haven't taken the time to read the rules on this matter, it seems that tennis's governing body is extremely inconsistent on the punishments they hand out. I was shocked when Hingis was banned for 2 years, and yet Gasquet gets some severely reduced fine. IMO anything can happen.

AGAIN, I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, I DID NOT WRITE THAT STATEMENT, IT WAS PUBLISHED AT THE LA TIMES WEBSITE.

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST.

Selah
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:14 AM
She acknowledged her fans. love it. I continue to respect the Williams for not cowtowing to the establishment. Keep biting her haters, ya'll know good and well if she kissed your asses, you would still find fault with the statement:)

matty
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:14 AM
Obviously somebody has no caseload:eek:

:lol:

Miss Amor
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:14 AM
When did you get unbanned?

SV_Fan
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:15 AM
Serena needs to be suspended and penalized by the WTA Tour.

She's the F*cking Serena Williams.

Please scurry along.

bmxbandit
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:15 AM
you do know hawkeye isn't 100% accurate.

and yes it was, hence being called.

So that backhand that Mariana Alves called out in 2004 was REALLY out too?

Shut up.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:15 AM
No apology for the worst behaviour I have ever seen by a female player. Dreadful. This I think will taint her reputation. A heartfelt apology would have done so much for her. It makes her look like a street thug. I have lost all respect for her.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yorker
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:15 AM
Is people trying to get something big out of this?
awwwwww failed? dissapointed? gutted? you should be haters.

why would haters be disappointed? she just lost last night, you make it out like their going to be disappointed she wasn't fined another measley 10 grand. it stillw oudl have done nothing to her earnings. i'm sorry i just don't see why your so happy about this? please enlighten me honestly, im curious.

Tennisstar86
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:15 AM
I guess that is the best apoligy you could get out of serena williams so i´m happy with this ending. She doesn´t deserve a ban or something like that, im glad she gets to play the doubles final. :) Let´s hope something like this doesn´t happen again. I do hope she apoligized against the linejudge as well though.

She didnt, and she shouldnt... she meant to yell at her and she accepted the consequences...

Talula
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:15 AM
Yep. She will not be suspended. If it were a foot fault, maybe but the fact that the call was likely wrong almost validates Serena.

Do we really need to relive USO 04 QF? Serena has been on the tour for nearly 15 years. She has been screwed time and time again. When does it stop?

Please stop saying saying Serena was 'screwed' this year. She wasn't. Kim had won the first set fair and square and was winning the 2nd. If Serena and her fans can't accept she loses fairly then it makes her and her fans look like the type of yobs who who don't accept responsibility for their own actions/situations. It looks like delusion and disrespect. Kim played brilliantly and should be given credit for beating the defending champion.

BlameSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:16 AM
No apology for the worst behaviour I have ever seen by a female player. Dreadful. This I think will taint her reputation. A heartfelt apology would have done so much for her. It makes her look like a street thug. I have lost all respect for her.

Exit left.

When I see every player that's bitched out a linesman give out apologies then I'll see Serena line up to do the same. Until then...upwards and onwards.

twight6
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:16 AM
:lol: So let me ask, why do we have Hawkeye then if these trained professionals are never wrong?

It wasn't a foot fault.

In case you haven't noticed, hawkeye isn't used for foot fault calls :angel:. So it is safe to say that these professionals are never wrong on foot faults.

We will never know for sure whether it was a foot fault or not, but I can say I trust a woman who has been doing this for a long time, and who stared directly at her feet when it happened..

But, regardless of that, good statement from Serena. Sorry would've been nice, but if she isn't truly sorry, then at least she was honest.

Just_lindsay
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:16 AM
Even with $340,000 in prize money she's still a graceless loser. She might not care about the fine or sincerely apologizing for her deplorable behavior, but I think the public does... she shouldn't expect any crowds to be rooting for her in the future.

Kudos to the 2009 US Open champion, whoever she may be. At least it won't be Serena. :lol:

ED fan forever
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:16 AM
Could have been worse.
Now can we please just let this rest.
Case closed.

Craigy
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:16 AM
Just learn from this, Serena.

Just_lindsay
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:17 AM
Please stop saying saying Serena was 'screwed' this year. She wasn't. Kim had won the first set fair and square and was winning the 2nd. If Serena and her fans can't accept she loses fairly then it makes her and her fans look like the type of yobs who who don't accept responsibility for their own actions/situations. It looks like delusion and disrespect. Kim played brilliantly and should be given credit for beating the defending champion.

That's what Serena's all about. :lol:

BlameSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:17 AM
As Mary Carillo said it's a joke. She makes 20 million dollars a year, thats pocket change to her.

I cant imagine many people cheering for them tomorrow. Sereba should have been defaulted from the tournament and some sort of ban from the ITF

What more do you want?!! The girl had to lose her match last night in a GS semi! Is that not enough? She has been fined. And has gave a good statement after reflecting for a DAY.

dsanders06
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:17 AM
Yes, the world is conspiring against Serena. The line judges, that umpire in the 2004 Capriati match, the Grand Slam organisers, the weather. Evolution conspired against her by creating the hand.

Have you ever stopped to consider the problem might not be everyone around Serena, but Serena herself? Every player has shit calls go against them, but just because most people don't make a huge song and dance out of them like Serena does, that doesn't make them any less valid.

Apoleb
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:18 AM
I don't like the part about "unfair call." That linejudge was in a much better position to judge than she could ever be. I also don't think threats of violence are a mere loss of temper.

In any case, meh. Moving on to the final.

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:18 AM
Please stop saying saying Serena was 'screwed' this year. She wasn't. Kim had won the first set fair and square and was winning the 2nd. If Serena and her fans can't accept she loses fairly then it makes her and her fans look like the type of yobs who who don't accept responsibility for their own actions/situations. It looks like delusion and disrespect. Kim played brilliantly and should be given credit for beating the defending champion.

Yes, you're right. Kim was up a set and ahead in the second -- but in tennis, you have to win two whole sets.

Serena's opportunity to come back, like we have seen countless times before, was taken away because of someone's misjudgment. That my friends is called being "screwed". It was taken out of Serena's hands. The point penalty was her fault, yes, but we'll never know what would have happened at 15-30 on a second serve.

matty
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:18 AM
This poster's previous posts are filled with hate not only towards to Serena but to black people:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=15100275&postcount=34

He is a previously banned poster who has called Common a thug and other things as well.

Thanks for letting us know--this person seems to be pretty biased against African Americans.

dsanders06
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:18 AM
Could have been worse.
Now can we please just let this rest.
Case closed.

People aren't going to let this rest until the day she retires, and rightly so.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:18 AM
Well I think Serena will likely match that fine to some foundation, likely the Arthur Ashe foundation for cursing so much in the stadium that bears his name.

But I'm sorry this does not equal pulling out of a tournament for no reason and getting fined like Sharapova did a few years back.
Serena did do her job by showing up at the US Open and corresponding US Open Series tournaments.
She played a pretty good match and was passionate for two minutes out of a 90 plus minute match.

She didn't tank like some other players who don't want to be at a tourni sometimes do.
She fought, probably a bit too hard but as Cliff Drysdale and Pam Shriver have mentioned, they have all been there at one time or another.

Talula
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:18 AM
Exit left.

When I see every player that's bitched out a linesman give out apologies then I'll see Serena line up to do the same. Until then...upwards and onwards.

I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.

Olórin
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:18 AM
Even with $340,000 in prize money she's still a graceless loser. She might not care about the fine or sincerely apologizing for her deplorable behavior, but I think the public does... she shouldn't expect any crowds to be rooting for her in the future.

Kudos to the 2009 US Open champion, whoever she may be. At least it won't be Serena. :lol:

Bit-terrrr :D

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:19 AM
In case you haven't noticed, hawkeye isn't used for foot fault calls :angel:. So it is safe to say that these professionals are never wrong on foot faults.

We will never know for sure whether it was a foot fault or not, but I can say I trust a woman who has been doing this for a long time, and who stared directly at her feet when it happened..

But, regardless of that, good statement from Serena. Sorry would've been nice, but if she isn't truly sorry, then at least she was honest.

No, it's really not safe to say.

What irritates me about all of this is .... how many times do the networks have a camera on the baseline!? And now, when we need it, they don't have it!

What happened to the MAC CAM! :lol:

Tennisstar86
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:19 AM
Even with $340,000 in prize money she's still a graceless loser. She might not care about the fine or sincerely apologizing for her deplorable behavior, but I think the public does... she shouldn't expect any crowds to be rooting for her in the future.

Kudos to the 2009 US Open champion, whoever she may be. At least it won't be Serena. :lol:

ummm...Serena will always have fans.... and underdogs against serena will always be rooted for more thans he will.... Johnny mac was a complete ass and he always had a full stadium... The same will be for Serena.... Shes a living(still playing) legend in the tennis world....

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:19 AM
Do You, Serena! :hearts:

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:19 AM
I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.

What's your point? Serena said her emotions took over her.

Next time you play in a Slam semifinal and you're not playing your best and you're fighting to stay alive and you have a wrong call called against you, let me know how you would react.

In my opinion, Serena was tame. I would have been 10000x worse, especially if I already been screwed 5 years earlier on the same court because of an official's misjudgment.

Tennisstar86
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:20 AM
I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.

Yesterday... we havent seen Serena today. :wavey:

Yorker
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:20 AM
ummm...Serena will always have fans.... and underdogs against serena will always be rooted for more thans he will.... Johnny mac was a complete ass and he always had a full stadium... The same will be for Serena.... Shes a living(still playing) legend in the tennis world....

i thought serena received more applause last night than kim

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:20 AM
Yes, the world is conspiring against Serena. The line judges, that umpire in the 2004 Capriati match, the Grand Slam organisers, the weather. Evolution conspired against her by creating the hand.

Have you ever stopped to consider the problem might not be everyone around Serena, but Serena herself? Every player has shit calls go against them, but just because most people don't make a huge song and dance out of them like Serena does, that doesn't make them any less valid.

less than 100 posts and already duplicating them... tragic. :help: :lol:

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:21 AM
oh and she got a roasting on the news today, enjoy the $340,000 serena cus its your reputation thats gone.

to think serena fans still bring up the hand thing, you think serena will ever not have this mark on her career lol.

Olórin
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:21 AM
I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.

Most of those players you mention, a lot of the world doesn't know they exist and they don't care. More people know about Serena many don't care about this incident and many won't know it ever happened.

Stop your delusional fantasising and hyperbole. Serena will probably wear clay court shoes to Wimbledon or something next year and some other drama will over shadow this. :lol:

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:23 AM
No apology for the worst behaviour I have ever seen by a female player. Dreadful. This I think will taint her reputation. A heartfelt apology would have done so much for her. It makes her look like a street thug. I have lost all respect for her.

Capriati at the Australian Open in 2001.
Capriati in a motel snorting coke in the mid 90s.
Capriati stealing from a store in the mid 90s.

Serena has never fought a day in life.
She's never smoked anything illegal that we know of.
She's never been accused of grand larceny, although her father has. :tape:

So if Serena is a street thug, that makes Capriati, that's right white trash.

twight6
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:23 AM
No, it's really not safe to say.

What irritates me about all of this is .... how many times do the networks have a camera on the baseline!? And now, when we need it, they don't have it!

What happened to the MAC CAM! :lol:

It's not "safe" to say, but it's logical. If they questioned the line judges' ability to call foot faults, then they would have put in a foot fault camera. But obviously they are correct.


But anyway, I agree. While watching the match I was like- just show us the serve. Then all they had was this crappy front shot :tape: How annoying.

Olórin
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:23 AM
oh and she got a roasting on the news today, enjoy the $340,000 serena cus its your reputation thats gone.

to think serena fans still bring up the hand thing, you think serena will ever not have this mark on her career lol.

:rolls: The BBC (quite in important source of world news btw) has a grand total of zero articles on the matter. No-one cares.

brodle1
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:23 AM
Okay - so I see that this is some attorney's perspective and not the poster - my apologies to the OP. The attorney writing for the newspaper where this was written needs some credibility lessons.

FYI guys, Serena's actions do classify as an assault - but not likely a criminal one. There is a DIFFERENCE between the tort of assault (which garners only money damages) and a criminal assault. The tort version is simply acting intentionally and voluntarily to cause the reasonable apprehension of an immediate harmful or offensive contact. I think anyone in the world could argue that happened here - i.e. if she was scared Serena might do something physically to her AT THAT TIME, then it's assault. If Serena's actions were OFFENSIVE to her at that time - then it's assault. Serena would have a tough time talking her way out of it. Assaults can happen in any context - e.g. employment, on the street, in the home, etc.

Additionally, in the case of a the tort of assault, unless the victim suffered some sort of harm (which has yet to be claimed as far as I know) then the victim has no case....

RELAX. Legally this person is correct in the assault analysis - but I don't think it's really relevant to the matter at hand unless the lines-person wanted to sue her individually, as her employer (whatever tennis association she works for) cannot sue on her behalf.

terjw
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:24 AM
You're a dumbass attorney...the kind that would send your client straight to jail. :lol: You lost all credibility when you insinuated Serena uses steroids. :rolleyes:

Yep - I stopped reading the post when I read the steroids bit. And I'm the last person who thinks what Serena did was acceptable.

practiceboy
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Another lawyer here.

The original lawyer's analysis is wrong, probably because she isn't a NY lawyer. Her analysis may have been correct in a majority of other states throughout the country, but not in NY. Just to clarify: the original lawyer was right in that the common law crime of assault does NOT require physical touching, and a physical threat (such as the one that Serena made towards the lineswoman) DOES constitute assault. This is distinguished from the common law crime of "battery," which requires physical touching.

In New York, there is no such crime called battery, and the corollary of battery at common law is simply referred to as "assault." Therefore, this is a very different meaning of "assault" than is used at common law.

So what about the common law crime of assault? In New York, it's called "menacing." Serena could certainly be charged with the crime of menacing.

To review:

In most of the rest of the country
ASSAULT = THREAT
BATTERY = ACTUAL PHYSICAL VIOLENCE

BUT, In NY
ASSAULT = ACTUAL PHYSICAL VIOLENCE
BATTERY = DOESN'T EXIST
MENACING = THREAT

In this case, Serena is guilty under NY law of the crime of menacing.

(I seriously, seriously doubt she'll actually be charged)

dsanders06
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:24 AM
to think serena fans still bring up the hand thing, you think serena will ever not have this mark on her career lol.

Don't be silly, what Henin did is clearly way worse. I mean, my local jail is full of people who denied holding their hand up before their opponent served, but whoever heard of someone going to jail for issuing a death threat?

Like I said in another thread, I'm convinced Serena fans are just performing self-parodies of themselves.

Emina.
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:24 AM
"Last night everyone could truly see the passion I have for my job," it read. "Now that I have had time to gain my composure, I can see that while I don't agree with the unfair line call, in the heat of battle I let my passion and emotion get the better of me and as a result handled the situation poorly. I would like to thank my fans and supporters for understanding that I am human and I look forward to continuing the journey, both professionally and personally, with you all as I move forward and grow from this experience."



:yeah:

edificio
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:24 AM
The fine is a bit smaller than I expected, but if that is the rule, fine. Also, I figured that Serena would have to issue an apologize, and she has. That is good enough for me. Too bad it won't be enough for those people who disliked her anyway, like Mary Carillo who wants her suspended. Right. Harumph.

pav
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:25 AM
"Unfair line call" Serena was wronged" According to her and many of her fans she is always hard done by,both act like spoiled children!I don't know if she did or didn't FF but once called she should shut up and not still whinge on about it in her press statement.
One thing I did notice about Serena when playing doubles, she would be the only player I have noticed who makes no attempt to flick a stray ball back to the ballkids, she just ignores the ball even if it dribbles past her, make what you will of that attitude!

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:25 AM
I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:25 AM
It's not "safe" to say, but it's logical. If they questioned the line judges' ability to call foot faults, then they would have put in a foot fault camera. But obviously they are correct.


But anyway, I agree. While watching the match I was like- just show us the serve. Then all they had was this crappy front shot :tape: How annoying.

That's clearly the next step and mark my words, that's going to happen. Hawkeye is going to be modified to allow challenges on foot faults.

dsanders06
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:25 AM
:rolls: The BBC (quite in important source of world news btw) has a grand total of zero articles on the matter. No-one cares.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8252971.stm

Top story on BBC Sport this morning.

youizahoe
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:25 AM
Serena and venus better destroy that crowd tomorrow, and that doubles team.

Just_lindsay
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:25 AM
1. Racism at IW
2. Hand at FO SF 03
3. Calls at USO QF 04
4. Ball touching hand at 2009 FO

If they look at this, they will see, that they often misjudge against her, and that could explain her anger towards a mistake. And it will most likely be strong enough to hold as evidence.

Well, they met last week at the USO, did she kill her? :rolleyes:

1. There were thousands of people attending that tournament and the vast majority of them had no part in the alleged racist remarks. Most of the people booing were legitimately upset that Venus withdrew scant minutes before the match they had paid $$$ to see.

2. "The Hand" - Sure, Serena lost a first serve that she probably should have had. Sucked for her... but it wasn't on match point and she was on her way to defeat anyway. Venus lost a point in her tiebreak against Karolina Sprem at Wimbledon one year, and she handled it much more gracefully.

3. Everyone gets bad calls. It sucks when it happens... at least they have the challenge system now.

In any case, none of this excuses Serena's stank attitude and unsportsmanlike conduct over the years...

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:26 AM
"Unfair line call" Serena was wronged" According to her and many of her fans she is always hard done by,both act like spoiled children!I don't know if she did or didn't FF but once called she should shut up and not still whinge on about it in her press statement.
One thing I did notice about Serena when playing doubles, she would be the only player I have noticed who makes no attempt to flick a stray ball back to the ballkids, she just ignores the ball even if it dribbles past her, make what you will of that attitude!I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

gmokb
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:26 AM
Serena:worship: Chicken feed and only fair since they robbed her of the chance to earn the jackpot.:lol: To hell with all who claims she no longer have their respects. Serena will never meet you nor care to so what if you don't respect her? At the end of her career she will enter tennis Hall of Fame even without your respect. To the bank baby:bounce:

twight6
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:27 AM
What's your point? Serena said her emotions took over her.

Next time you play in a Slam semifinal and you're not playing your best and you're fighting to stay alive and you have a wrong call called against you, let me know how you would react.

In my opinion, Serena was tame. I would have been 10000x worse, especially if I already been screwed 5 years earlier on the same court because of an official's misjudgment.

I believe his point is that you shouldn't tell someone you're going to shove a ball down their throat and kill them, and then not apologize for it :shrug:.

But, like I said ,if Serena doesn't feel sorry, then at least she was honest, no fake shit.

Apparently you guys (and Serena) feel bad publicity is better than no publicity :shrug: To each his own.

It's important to remember no one was injured in this incident, so it's not like anything major happened. Serena lost, that's punishment. no matter how much you fine her, it won't make a difference with the amount she makes. Loss of a match is about as bad as it gets (in Serena's eyes) so hopefully she learns from this. Apologies & publicity & reputation are all up to Serena now-- she can do what she wants with them.

Wigglytuff
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:27 AM
No apologies. :worship:

i completely agree!!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Libertango
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:27 AM
It's all getting so over the top.

10K is just chicken-feed to Rena.

Let's think about Kim v Caro

Olórin
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:27 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8252971.stm

Top story on BBC Sport this morning.

Duh! The article is on Clijsters victory, Serena's eruption is simply a facet of it. It hasn't been a "featured" story in its own right.

edificio
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:27 AM
As Mary Carillo said it's a joke. She makes 20 million dollars a year, thats pocket change to her.

I cant imagine many people cheering for them tomorrow. Sereba should have been defaulted from the tournament and some sort of ban from the ITF

If rules are rules, the USTA could only fine her the amount in its rules. Sorry if you are still waiting for Serena to go away forever.

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:28 AM
I believe his point is that you shouldn't tell someone you're going to shove a ball down their throat and kill them, and then not apologize for it :shrug:.

But, like I said ,if Serena doesn't feel sorry, then at least she was honest, no fake shit.

Apparently you guys (and Serena) feel bad publicity is better than no publicity :shrug: To each his own.

It's important to remember no one was injured in this incident, so it's not like anything major happened. Serena lost, that's punishment. no matter how much you fine her, it won't make a difference with the amount she makes. Loss of a match is about as bad as it gets (in Serena's eyes) so hopefully she learns from this. Apologies & publicity & reputation are all up to Serena now-- she can do what she wants with them.

Serena admitted her emotions took over her. If anyone deserves an apology, it is Serena. The lineswoman should be sending her a letter and flowers as we speak for taking that match away with a horrible call. While we're at it, Alves should be the one delivering the flowers.

youizahoe
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:28 AM
oh and she got a roasting on the news today, enjoy the $340,000 serena cus its your reputation thats gone.

to think serena fans still bring up the hand thing, you think serena will ever not have this mark on her career lol.

Who cares about reputation anyway, it's for weak people that need confirmation by others to feel great and wanted :spit:

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:28 AM
:rolls: The BBC (quite in important source of world news btw) has a grand total of zero articles on the matter. No-one cares.

i watched it on itv and they even said it would marr her reputation for the rest of her career.

id rather put a hand up than threaten a linejudge.

i suppose she could always get the linesperson 'in the lockerroom'. shes shown her true colours this year, you'll defend her to you're blue in the face but right now the only people that respect serena are serena fans, and they would follow her no matter what so thats not saying much.

bandabou
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:28 AM
Who's this sammy fool?! Walking around talking funny?!

Serena got her penalty, lost her match and got the fine. Enough punishment for her..see, she only hurt herself with that attitude..so it's a lesson learned.

Now people wanna act funny about the hand? The hand got away with it, so yes it is worse no?

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:29 AM
i watched it on itv and they even said it would marr her reputation for the rest of her career.

id rather put a hand up than threaten a linejudge.

i suppose she could always get the linesperson 'in the lockerroom'. shes shown her true colours this year, you'll defend her to you're blue in the face but right now the only people that respect serena are serena fans, and they would follow her no matter what so thats not saying much.
I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

In The Zone
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:29 AM
If rules are rules, the USTA could only fine her the amount in its rules. Sorry if you are still waiting for Serena to go away forever.

Exactly. Seems people just want to tear Serena down rather than following the rules. You know like, when you put your hand up, it means the serve doesn't count. Or when and ONLY WHEN your foot crosses the line, you call a foot fault -- not when you feel like it. :weirdo:

Kipling
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:29 AM
She is a very poor reflection on the sport of tennis, a fact which is self-evident from her canned non-denial denials. No remorse whatsoever. Suspend her from the slams--it's the only way anything will get through that fat head of hers.

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:29 AM
Who cares about reputation anyway, it's for weak people that need confirmation by others to feel great and wanted :spit:

this coming from someone who spends his time trying desperately to be liked :lol::tape:

Timariot
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:29 AM
I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.

I've seen Venus flip at AO 1999 when she was penalised as her hair beads began to fall all over the court. Hingis, of course, infamously lost composure at FO final 1999 (and really, you should have seen the fallout from THAT). Agassi flipped several times, including once in Wimbledon semifinal against Rafter when she cursed out loud, lineswoman ran to report to umpire who then issued a warning for Agassi. Few moments later, Andre tried to nail the lineswoman with a first serve, and he was still fuming about the incident in the press conference...

Really, it happens, players pay the fines, Tour circus moves on and incidents become funny Youtube clips. Except for most fanatic fans who continue to bitch about 'unfair treatment' of their idols, but nobody cares about them after a while...

edificio
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:30 AM
I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.

You must be young and also didn't watch any of the rain delay matches they showed on Friday.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:30 AM
She is a very poor reflection on the sport of tennis, a fact which is self-evident from her canned non-denial denials. No remorse whatsoever. Suspend her from the slams--it's the only way anything will get through that fat head of hers.I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

twight6
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:30 AM
Serena admitted her emotions took over her. If anyone deserves an apology, it is Serena. The lineswoman should be sending her a letter and flowers as we speak for taking that match away with a horrible call. While we're at it, Alves should be the one delivering the flowers.

Okay, okay let's not go overboard! Serena's life wasn't threatened (and yes, she threatened her life. No matter how heated the moment was or how not-serious serena was, she still said it). But, like I said, if Serena doesn't wanna apologize, then that's between her & the line judge.

dsanders06
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:31 AM
Duh! The article is on Clijsters victory, Serena's eruption is simply a facet of it. It hasn't been a "featured" story in its own right.

...

Serena erupting is in the headline of the article. And pretty much the entire content of the article is focussed on Serena's attack, with barely any mention on the actual match, very unusual for BBC tennis articles.

You can't seriously be under the impression that people here aren't talking about it. Pretty much everyone I've talked to today is aware of it, have watched the video on YouTube and are either appalled at her actions or laughing hysterically at how crazy she is.

Bijoux0021
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:31 AM
:lol: So let me ask, why do we have Hawkeye then if these trained professionals are never wrong?

It wasn't a foot fault.
Thank you.

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:31 AM
I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

no i'll keep reminding people of this, cus well serena a bully.

MistyGrey
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:31 AM
:lol: I like her statement. I think the lineswoman made the right call, but I am not sure. Even if she didnt, I hope Serena realizes that the lineswoman probably has a lot of passion for her job and in the heat of the moment, might have gotten a little carried away and MJMS prolly has a lot of passion for her job too, and can be forgiven for making a bad move in the heat of the moment! ;)

Mynarco
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:33 AM
Still. It's wrong to yell at the lady even though the lady made a bad call, and say something like "shove your ball into your throat". No apology? oh please.

drake3781
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:33 AM
In addition to the already levied fine, there will also be further investigation of the incident, according to a statement released by the U.S. Open.

There will also be further investigation of the incident according to a statement released by the U.S. Open, "The Grand Slam rule book also allows for an investigation to be conducted by the Grand Slam Committee Administrator to determine if the behavior of Ms. Williams warrants consideration as a Major Offence for which additional penalties can be imposed. This investigation has now begun."

practiceboy
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:34 AM
Okay - so I see that this is some attorney's perspective and not the poster - my apologies to the OP. The attorney writing for the newspaper where this was written needs some credibility lessons.

FYI guys, Serena's actions do classify as an assault - but not likely a criminal one. There is a DIFFERENCE between the tort of assault (which garners only money damages) and a criminal assault. The tort version is simply acting intentionally and voluntarily to cause the reasonable apprehension of an immediate harmful or offensive contact. I think anyone in the world could argue that happened here - i.e. if she was scared Serena might do something physically to her AT THAT TIME, then it's assault. If Serena's actions were OFFENSIVE to her at that time - then it's assault. Serena would have a tough time talking her way out of it. Assaults can happen in any context - e.g. employment, on the street, in the home, etc.

Additionally, in the case of a the tort of assault, unless the victim suffered some sort of harm (which has yet to be claimed as far as I know) then the victim has no case....

RELAX. Legally this person is correct in the assault analysis - but I don't think it's really relevant to the matter at hand unless the lines-person wanted to sue her individually, as her employer (whatever tennis association she works for) cannot sue on her behalf.

I don't think you're a NY lawyer either? This analysis is perhaps relevant for purposes of common law majority rules, but it does not apply in NY. The crime of "assault" in NY is the common law crime of battery, and the crime of "menacing" in NY is the common law crime of assault. Since Serena did not commit common law battery, she clearly did not commit assault under NY law. Since she DID commit the common law crime of assault, however, she DID commit the crime of "menacing."

You say tortious assault and criminal assault are different from each other, but you never elaborate on how? I can't see how she isn't guilty of common law criminal assault here.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:34 AM
no i'll keep reminding people of this, cus well serena a bully.Well, I kinda understand your case..ya know....since your player doesn't really get to this stage or anything like that. You do know that she's already a lock for the Hall of Fame, right?

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:34 AM
I am baffled how Serena threatens a lineswoman and I think she should be punished for her indefensible actions and therefore I am now a racist ?

Please don't play the racism card to defend the actions of Serena last night.

What Serena did was wrong no matter what color she is and is regardless of what color I am.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:34 AM
Still. It's wrong to yell at the lady even though the lady made a bad call. No apology? oh please.I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

dsanders06
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:34 AM
Serena admitted her emotions took over her. If anyone deserves an apology, it is Serena. The lineswoman should be sending her a letter and flowers as we speak for taking that match away with a horrible call. While we're at it, Alves should be the one delivering the flowers.

Now surely everyone sees what I meant when I said "I'm convinced Serena fans are just performing self-parodies of themselves". Seriously, that post had me in stitches. Keep the comedy coming.

Tennisstar86
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:35 AM
:lol: I like her statement. I think the lineswoman made the right call, but I am not sure. Even if she didnt, I hope Serena realizes that the lineswoman probably has a lot of passion for her job and in the heat of the moment, might have gotten a little carried away and MJMS prolly has a lot of passion for her job too, and can be forgiven for making a bad move in the heat of the moment! ;)

As Serena said in her press conference and on court to MJMS "I'll get you in the locker room" and to the line judge "maybe I'll run into her again.":lol:

matty
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:36 AM
There is no reason whatsoever to talk to someone the way Serena berated and threatened that woman. Then to deny she threatened the woman just adds insukt to the entire world that watched her threaten the woman on live TV. Then, to say she doesn't need to apologize, well that just shows you how little class Serena actually has.

Ok, Ok, we get it--you can't stand Serena Williams, but she's still an extremely rich, popular, talented tennis player with 11 Grandslam titles (so far)and nothing you can say will ever change that.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:37 AM
Serena should get slapped with 'aggravated behavior' and should face the maximum punishment. Her abysmal behavior is horrific on the world stage like that, and she made her country look foolish.

A fine of up to $250,000 or the amount of prize money won at the tournament, whichever is greater, and a maximum penalty of permanent suspension from play in all Grand Slams and/or the Tennis Masters Cup sounds like the right punishment for her crime.
I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

Noctis
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:38 AM
It's nothing Major.It's not like she smash her head with her raquet

matty
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:38 AM
I am baffled how Serena threatens a lineswoman and I think she should be punished for her indefensible actions and therefore I am now a racist ?

Please don't play the racism card to defend the actions of Serena last night.

What Serena did was wrong no matter what color she is and is regardless of what color I am.

I think some of us are going off your former post that was presented to us.

Roookie
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:38 AM
No apology and she's implying she got cheated?. Truth is (i know i'm getting bad rep for this :lol:) she couldn't handle being outplayed by Kim. C'mon Rena you're better than this.

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:38 AM
Still. It's wrong to yell at the lady even though the lady made a bad call, and say something like "shove your ball into your throat". No apology? oh please.

ah, fyi no one knows what Serena has said or will say to the lines woman.... All we know is she didn't feel the need to do it in the public and that's what really bothers people.. They need for Serena's statement to be a 'Mea Culpa'. poor babies. :hug:

MistyGrey
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:39 AM
As Serena said in her press conference and on court to MJMS "I'll get you in the locker room" and to the line judge "maybe I'll run into her again.":lol:

I'm guessing you'd expect something like that from a bully.You're right, Serena has been threatening people for quite some time now. ;)

Bijoux0021
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:39 AM
Yes, you're right. Kim was up a set and ahead in the second -- but in tennis, you have to win two whole sets.

Serena's opportunity to come back, like we have seen countless times before, was taken away because of someone's misjudgment. That my friends is called being "screwed". It was taken out of Serena's hands. The point penalty was her fault, yes, but we'll never know what would have happened at 15-30 on a second serve.
Exactly! And Serena's reputation of coming back from the dead to win big matches was probably the reason she got screwed once again.

Olórin
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:39 AM
Serena's next MAJOR offensive will come at the AO, but not before :)

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:40 AM
Well, I kinda understand your case..ya know....since your player doesn't really get to this stage or anything like that. You do know that she's already a lock for the Hall of Fame, right?

HOF or not, my favourite doesn't threaten linespeople, i'll take not being a bully over being successful anyday.

Mynarco
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:40 AM
I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

Is it really necessary to copy and paste your comment every time? If you don't wanna discuss it, so be it. And stop all those "my faves are in HOF but yours aren't" BS. You are just trying to divert the attention.

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:40 AM
No apology and she's implying she got cheated by the line judge?. Truth is (i know i'm getting bad rep :lol:) she couldn't handle being outplayed by Kim. C'mon Rena you're better than this.

Yes because Serena has never lost a match in a Grand Slam before it put her in a tail spin she never experienced that before... :cuckoo:

Yorker
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:40 AM
how fucking long does it take to hear what she said honestly their making it look like their about to go discover clues into a murder case then post in big headlins" SERENA WILLIAMS CHARGED WITH TENNIS BALL STUFFING OF ASIAN GIRL"

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:41 AM
Is it really necessary to copy and paste your comment every time? If you don't wanna discuss it, so be it. And stop all those "my faves are in HOF but yours aren't" BS.

and what are you going to do if he doesn't stop? Just curious? :confused:

bandabou
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:41 AM
Oh the hypocrites....look at them. All over Serena for this, the same ones pretending that Juju did no wrong back in 03.

Of course Serena was wrong this time around and of course it was big news. I guess now she made the headlines twice for messed up calls...in '04 she shown great calmness ( but of course that was missed by the hypocrites)..and now this time she lost her cool. Happens. Was a bad mistake and I'm sure she learned from it.

Olórin
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:42 AM
I'm guessing you'd expect something like that from a bully.You're right, Serena has been threatening people for quite some time now. ;)

This is tennis...Serena is a transcendent superstar. I really think some of you don't realise what a niche and relatively unimportant sport this is. Associating whatever you perceive her on-court persona to be, and translating it to a wholistic personal idenity is extrememly facile on your part.

;)


I told you all to exit to the left on the first page!

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:43 AM
and you couldn't add that to the other bazillion threads on the subject? :rolleyes:

Horizon
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:43 AM
The thing about the foot fault is, we simply don't know, and never will, so just accept it. The orignal call stands. Calls always used to go against players, and they got on with it. Serena still had a chance to save the match at 15-40. It was given away.

Perfect statement from Serena. I love it. That's exactly what I feel that an athlete who has been wronged should say.

The perfect statement would've said sorry, in my opinion. That would've been the classy thing to do.

Anyway 10K means nothing to Serena, why do they even bother?

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:43 AM
Serena did no worst than a manager at a baseball game cursing at an umpire.

Remember Serena did start her tyrade with "If I could...".
Since she can't it really wasn't that big of a deal.

A threat by the way is "I'm going to fucking shove this ball down your fucking throat".

Some of you really need to learn how to read English. :wavey:

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:43 AM
Is it really necessary to copy and paste your comment every time? If you don't wanna discuss it, so be it. And stop all those "my faves are in HOF but yours aren't" BS. You are just trying to divert the attention.
You must be dealing with people who spend most of their time on a playground if you think you can even remotely tell me what to post. You just wasted precious minutes of your life communicating with me. Go back to your futile campaign of hating a woman who would be worth millions even if she never picks up a tennis racquet again.

bandabou
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:43 AM
:lol: Sammy, Sammy..

gmokb
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:44 AM
She is a very poor reflection on the sport of tennis, a fact which is self-evident from her canned non-denial denials. No remorse whatsoever. Suspend her from the slams--it's the only way anything will get through that fat head of hers.

:lol::lol: I would want this too if its the only way my fav(s) could possible win a slam:lol::lol:

youizahoe
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:44 AM
1. There were thousands of people attending that tournament and the vast majority of them had no part in the alleged racist remarks. Most of the people booing were legitimately upset that Venus withdrew scant minutes before the match they had paid $$$ to see.

2. "The Hand" - Sure, Serena lost a first serve that she probably should have had. Sucked for her... but it wasn't on match point and she was on her way to defeat anyway. Venus lost a point in her tiebreak against Karolina Sprem at Wimbledon one year, and she handled it much more gracefully.

3. Everyone gets bad calls. It sucks when it happens... at least they have the challenge system now.

In any case, none of this excuses Serena's stank attitude and unsportsmanlike conduct over the years...

Still, Serena is one of the most fair players in the world, with Venus, and I don't think she'd made a drama if she really didn't think it was a wrong call.

However it's sad she reacted like that, but I know for myself, I would have done the same, I would have even been a lot worse, just because I'm quite emotional and perfectionistic myself.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:44 AM
HOF or not, my favourite doesn't threaten linespeople, i'll take not being a bully over being successful anyday.A less than mediocre poster likes a less than mediocre player. Seems about right to me. Happy posting.:wavey:

Tennisstar86
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:45 AM
I'm guessing you'd expect something like that from a bully.You're right, Serena has been threatening people for quite some time now. ;)

I mean...lol Im trying to figure out where these people come out talkin bout "she tarnished her reputation.... ummmm "I'll gwet you in the locker room was far worse than ' I fell like shoving this ball down your fucking throat".....

I mean I've never considered Serena to be a fav of mine, but this whole incident has had me cracking up....especially the irateness of some posters like Serena actually held the women at gun point.....:lol:

Mynarco
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:45 AM
and what are you going to do if he doesn't stop? Just curious? :confused:

Well, so be it. I bet I can do nothing else anyway.
Still, linesmen being pointed at+yelled at deserve an apology. If you don't agree, maybe we just have different ideas.

I think there's nothing to discuss. Case settled. Move on to next slam please.

edificio
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:45 AM
Laughable posting.

Adaora
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:45 AM
Nice statement from Serena..She needs not apologize to the lineswoman cos she was wronged herself too. So unless the lineswoman apologizes first, Serena shouldn't.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:46 AM
I mean...lol Im trying to figure out where these people come out talkin bout "she tarnished her reputation.... ummmm "I'll gwet you in the locker room was far worse than ' I fell like shoving this ball down your fucking throat".....

I mean I've never considered Serena to be a fav of mine, but this whole incident has had me cracking up....especially the irateness of some posters like Serena actually held the women at gun point.....:lol:Anti-Serena fans are the teabaggers of the tennis world. LOL!

LightWarrior
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:46 AM
I absolutely love her statement. She said all the right things, from her heart. God, it got me emotional.

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:47 AM
You must be dealing with people who spend most of their time on a playground if you think you can even remotely tell me what to post. You just wasted precious minutes of your life communicating with me. Go back to your futile campaign of hating a woman who would be worth millions even if she never picks up a tennis racquet again.

yet you've just posted about 5 times a post advising posters not to post in serena threads lmao, in your own words

'You must be dealing with people who spend most of their time on a playground if you think you can even remotely tell me what to post'

still all that doesn't matter cus serenas a bully and i can post that in whichever thread i like.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:47 AM
Well, so be it. I bet I can do nothing else anyway.
Still, linesmen being pointed at+yelled at deserve an apology. If you don't agree, maybe we just have different ideas.

I think there's nothing to discuss. Case settled. Move on to next slam please.I assuming that means you're....like....done with this topic, right. Right?

Bijoux0021
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:47 AM
I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.
:worship::worship::worship:

youizahoe
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:48 AM
this coming from someone who spends his time trying desperately to be liked :lol::tape:

Oh god, why to be liked by such weirdos just like you? Yeah right. :rolls:

Mynarco
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:48 AM
You must be dealing with people who spend most of their time on a playground if you think you can even remotely tell me what to post. You just wasted precious minutes of your life communicating with me. Go back to your futile campaign of hating a woman who would be worth millions even if she never picks up a tennis racquet again.

:lol: Maybe you need to use your fave's achievement to fill in your emptiness in your life, or even to help you to "win" the so-called debate :lol:

LDVTennis
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:49 AM
I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

Real funny, huh?

But you know what is funnier? That Serena showed a real ugly side of herself last night.

For us non-fans, now that was hilarious!

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:49 AM
yet you've just posted about 5 times a post advising posters not to post in serena threads lmao, in your own words

'You must be dealing with people who spend most of their time on a playground if you think you can even remotely tell me what to post'

still all that doesn't matter cus serenas a bully and i can post that in whichever thread i like.Nah, I started out by saying, "I feel your pain." There are obvious conniptions about Serena's poor behaviour. There's nothing like your boycotting of a subject regarding her that'll truly show your disdain. If you want to really get to Serena and her fans where it hurts(which is kinda obvious from every other friggin' post you've made since you've been here), then nothing would be more piercing than a simple boycotting her as a subject.

Kipling
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:49 AM
Forget about the fact that it's also an issue of poor sportsmanship. This is not a case of someone merely throwing a racquet, or refusing to play, or merely cursing at an official. She did throw her racquet and did curse at an official, but far more serious is the fact that she assaulted a linesperson. Intimidation has no place in the sport.

Pete Rose, the greatest hitter in the history of baseball, was banned from the game and will never be in baseball's Hall of Fame because he bet on baseball games in which team was involved and compromised the integrity of his sport. Intimidating officials in tennis with threats of physical abuse is no different. It compromises the integrity of the game.

Those trying to draw parallels between her actions and those of McEnroe or Connors are off the mark entirely. They never threatened a linesperson. They also paid for their transgressions. McEnroe was suspended for verbal abuse. God knows what would have happened had he gone after somebody with a racquet.

serenus crossed a line never before traversed. If tennis does not send a loud, clear message, it will only get worse in the future. Her "character" may be what it is, but that doesn't give her carte blanche to act like a violent imbecile. Society has rules for a reason. Contrary to what all the apologists say, transgressors are held accountable for their actions.

Olórin
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:51 AM
At first I was really pissed of that Serena wasn't going to get Grand Slam Number 12, but now a day has passed and with this board's and Mary Carillo's insane overreaction to it. I'm really cracking up :lol: This is once in a lifetime. Many more slams to come.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:51 AM
Real funny, huh?

But you know what is funnier? That Serena showed a real ugly side of herself last night.

For us non-fans, now that was hilarious!She's got at least 1 more grand slam singles titles than you do L. She'll finish with more all around slams than you and Steffi combined. This post of yours would be a little more valid if you could somehow produce a Slam. Just one, L....just one.

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:52 AM
Real funny, huh?

But you know what is funnier? That Serena showed a real ugly side of herself last night.

For us non-fans, now that was hilarious!

if the non-fans thought it was so funny why are they so upset today wanting her to be suspended and fined and everything else? :scratch:

They sure don't act like they find it funny? :confused:

now, the fact that haters can't even console themselves with the fact that Serena lost a match now that is HELLA funny. :haha:

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:53 AM
:lol: Maybe you need to use your fave's achievement to fill in your emptiness in your life, or even to help you to "win" the so-called debate :lol:Lemme get this straight....I'm using my fav's achievements in order to fill the emptiness in my life yet you have spent the majority of your time here this evening posting negatively about somebody you don't even know. Hmmm....who do you think people would find "empty?"

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:54 AM
Nah, I started out by saying, "I feel your pain." There are obvious conniptions about Serena's poor behaviour. There's nothing like your boycotting of a subject regarding her that'll truly show your disdain. If you want to really get to Serena and her fans where it hurts(which is kinda obvious from every other friggin' post you've made since you've been here), then nothing would be more piercing than a simple boycotting her as a subject.

nah i'll just keep pointing out serenas a bully.

No Name Face
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:55 AM
serena :worship:

BlameSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:55 AM
I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.

:spit:

Now you are just overreacting.

BlameSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:56 AM
if the non-fans thought it was so funny why are they so upset today wanting her to be suspended and fined and everything else? :scratch:

They sure don't act like they find it funny? :confused:

now, the fact that haters can't even console themselves with the fact that Serena lost a match now that is HELLA funny. :haha:

:haha:

Bijoux0021
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:57 AM
:lol: Sammy, Sammy..
Poor sammy. :lol:

Buitenzorg
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:57 AM
she should be fined more than that :mad:

and she should apologies!

Mynarco
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:57 AM
Lemme get this straight....I'm using my fav's achievements in order to fill the emptiness in my life yet you have spent the majority of your time here this evening posting negatively about somebody you don't even know. Hmmm....who do you think people would find "empty?"

to be honest I am soooo empty right now because I have nothing to do. Thanks for your concern:)
Well I don't really think what I'm posting is negative, it's you who think it's negative, I'm sorry if it hurts you.
I just feel like if your faves do wrong, just admit it and moves on.

You must be a caring person indeed. Serena should learn from you.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:58 AM
nah i'll just keep pointing out serenas a bully.That's fine. It seems to be a waste of time to devote so much energy to a player you don't like, but whatever.....

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:59 AM
Real funny, huh?

But you know what is funnier? That Serena showed a real ugly side of herself last night.

For us non-fans, now that was hilarious!

Sweetie. She wore a shirt that Nike made for her that stated "You can't spell dynasty without nasty".
She's never denied that she has a nasty side to her. :lol:

The women is not Miss America and has never claimed to be.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:00 AM
to be honest I am soooo empty right now because I have nothing to do. Thanks for your concern:)
Well I don't really think what I'm posting is negative, it's you who think it's negative, I'm sorry if it hurts you.
I just feel like if your faves do wrong, just admit it and moves on.

You must be a caring person indeed. Serena should learn from you.Nope it doesn't hurt. I hope you didn't take my confusion for "concern." Like I was saying to sammy, it just seems weird that you'd devote so much time to a player you obviously don't like, but I guess I'm baffled because I'm older. We Gen Xr's have a thing or two to learn from you youngsters when it involves people you don't like.

Diesel
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:00 AM
I love Serena's statement.

drake3781
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:01 AM
and you couldn't add that to the other bazillion threads on the subject? :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: Um no, this is a different topic than any other thread there. It is the first report of additional possible actions which may have a big impact on Serena and the tour.

Matt01
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:01 AM
No apology and she's implying she got cheated?. Truth is (i know i'm getting bad rep for this :lol:) she couldn't handle being outplayed by Kim. C'mon Rena you're better than this.


Too bad she isn't :sad:

And I (again) can't believe the stupidity of the Serena fans in this thread :tape:

They need some serious :help:

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:01 AM
My behavior of watching From Justin To Kelly should be considered a major offense. :tape:

bobbynorwich
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:02 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen09/news/story?id=4469987


"Now that I have had time to gain my composure, I can see that while I don't agree with the unfair line call, in the heat of battle I let my passion and emotion get the better of me and as a result handled the situation poorly."

Unfair line call? She admitted last night that she did, in fact, foot fault. Transcript of her post-match interview:Q. Would you be interested to see if you actually foot faulted?
SERENA WILLIAMS: I'm pretty sure I did. If she called a foot fault, she must have seen a foot fault. I mean, she was doing her job. I'm not going to knock her for not doing her job.
Passion and emotion? All top players must have passion and emotion regarding their tennis --- but they don't go around making obscene threats of violence towards line judges. In actually, it was her immaturity and nastiness that got the better of her, not her "passion and emotion."

She's not even mature enough to apologize --- so much for "moving forward and growing from this experience."

cellophane
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:03 AM
Did anyone seriously expect an apology? :lol:

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:04 AM
:rolleyes: Um no, this is a different topic than any other thread there. It is the first report of additional possible actions which may have a big impact on Serena and the tour.

yes because the thread about Serena possibly receiving a heavy fine is a completely different subject and the one discussing the 10 K fine is another topic on top of that. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

They must all be dealing with different situations. Crave attention much? :o

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:04 AM
Did anyone seriously expect an apology? :lol:Did anyone really expect that, whatever she did, people would ever be satisfied?

Calvin M.
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:04 AM
Williams issued a statement on Sunday night.

"Last night everyone could truly see the passion I have for my job," it read. "Now that I have had time to gain my composure, I can see that while I don't agree with the unfair line call, in the heat of battle I let my passion and emotion get the better of me and as a result handled the situation poorly. I would like to thank my fans and supporters for understanding that I am human and I look forward to continuing the journey, both professionally and personally, with you all as I move forward and grow from this experience."

It's good but it could be better. Don't let the bad call go unaddressed (glad she pointed out the error) but Serena should've acknowledged that line judges whether it be the one she blew up at or someone else don't deserve that kind of treatment. I think she should've elaborated just a little more so no one could call into question her sincerity.

Bijoux0021
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:05 AM
if the non-fans thought it was so funny why are they so upset today wanting her to be suspended and fined and everything else? :scratch:

They sure don't act like they find it funny? :confused:

now, the fact that haters can't even console themselves with the fact that Serena lost a match now that is HELLA funny. :haha:
:lol: There's pleasing these haters.

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:05 AM
I have NEVER seen a player behave like Serena did today. Denying her behaviour is delusional. Graf, Seles, King, Navratilova, Evert, Davenport, Venus, Clijsters, no one. It was disgusting and made Serena look like a street hoodie. The tennis crowds - those that pay to go and see matches - wont forget.

Ever seen a guy named Jimmy Connors or John McEnroe? :shrug:

At least Serena never threatened to rape anyone. :tape:

drake3781
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:07 AM
yes because the thread about Serena possibly receiving a heavy fine is a completely different subject and the one discussing the 10 K fine is another topic on top of that. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

They must all be dealing with different situations. Crave attention much? :o


Seems like your attack here is personal? :confused:


The heavy fine was not levied. She received a light fine of $10K for the unsportsmanlike conduct.

This is news, which I dug up and has not yet been mentioned here, of an additional official step that is being taken by USTA.

The result could be much more than a fine.

sammy01
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:07 AM
That's fine. It seems to be a waste of time to devote so much energy to a player you don't like, but whatever.....

nah its just as time wasting replying to me, yet that don't stop you.

Mynarco
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:08 AM
Nope it doesn't hurt. I hope you didn't take my confusion for "concern." Like I was saying to sammy, it just seems weird that you'd devote so much time to a player you obviously don't like, but I guess I'm baffled because I'm older. We Gen Xr's have a thing or two to learn from you youngsters when it involves people you don't like.

At least If serena handles the statement better(i don't say this is not good, but obviously can be done better), perhaps she would become my fave? who knows? I like serena's style of playing but not her personality.

Maybe you need to loosen up a little bit. It's not everything against the sisters that needs your caring heart to defend for them. But I think I would keep commenting on anything I like to comment. Thank you:)

Rocketta
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:09 AM
If you say so, I say it could've been posted in one of many threads already... :shrug:

RFSTB
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:10 AM
Lame punishment. Even lamer statement. I'm very dissappointed. I thought she has more class than that.

She has lost me as a fan.

MistyGrey
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:11 AM
This is tennis...Serena is a transcendent superstar. I really think some of you don't realise what a niche and relatively unimportant sport this is. Associating whatever you perceive her on-court persona to be, and translating it to a wholistic personal idenity is extrememly facile on your part.

;)


I told you all to exit to the left on the first page!

lol! so now this is an unimportant sport! and Serena is a transcendent superstar! :lol::tape:
See I truly like her statement. She is sticking to her guns, sticking to her character. I just feel, she should be able to see the same in others. For a MJMS, going berserk after a bad call and threatening a lineswoman could be a lot worse than not saying anything about whether the ball hit her or the racket. Everybody makes mistakes. Its just that, in the past Serena wasnt someone who was willing to cut other ppl some slack, and now when its her, she is conviniently putting it down to the heat of the moment. I agree with her, ppl can make mistakes like that, but she prolly should realise the same about others before calling them cheats and threatening them like'see u in the locker rooms'.
btw, I love this thread and dont wanna leave. It seems Serena fans are more defensive and on the back foot. so why dont u take ur own advice and come back a little later ;)

sorceress
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:11 AM
That apology could definitely have been better worded.
Calling the lineperson flat out wrong is very unprofessional, she could have said she disagreed with the call.
Really her behaviour was out of line and she should have apologised properly at least for that.
I don't know, she could have saved a bit more grace with a better apology, as it is that statement sounds quite forced.

BlameSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:12 AM
After reading it again, the statement is really just as good as an apology. She acknowledges that she acted poorly. Good enough for me. :lol:

LDVTennis
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:12 AM
She's got at least 1 more grand slam singles titles than you do L. She'll finish with more all around slams than you and Steffi combined. This post of yours would be a little more valid if you could somehow produce a Slam. Just one, L....just one.

Boy, you're desperate and delusional!

Comparing her to Steffi after what Serena did last night? Thanks for the laugh.

I don't need to worry about Steffi's legacy. It's all in the books. She's arguably the GOAT and one of the most stylish, graceful and dignified players ever.

You're the one who has to worry. As if it wasn't bad enough that Serena couldn't manage to hold the No. 1 ranking despite holding two of the majors. Now this!

BlameSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:15 AM
Boy, you're desperate and delusional!

Comparing her to Steffi after what Serena did last night? Thanks for the laugh.

I don't need to worry about Steffi's legacy. It's all in the books. She's arguably the GOAT and one of the most stylish, graceful and dignified players ever.

You're the one who has to worry. As if it wasn't bad enough that Serena couldn't manage to hold the No. 1 ranking despite holding two of the majors. Now this!

No worries need to be had by Serena fans, just for her opponents :devil:.

Matt01
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:16 AM
Ok, Ok, we get it--you can't stand Serena Williams, but she's still an extremely rich, popular, talented tennis player with 11 Grandslam titles (so far)and nothing you can say will ever change that.


OMG :haha:

Do you really fail to realize how completely immature and childish you are coming across now? All of your posts I have seen from you about the whole 'Serena incident' were totally ridiculous and crap.

Lindsayfan32
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:17 AM
Perfect statement from Serena. I love it. That's exactly what I feel that an athlete who has been wronged should say.

Go out there and destroy Black/Huber and show why you and Venus are the #1 doubles team tomorrow.

Serena should have apologised to the lineperson she abused too. This sounds like a spoilt brat being scolded statement to me. Only doing it because she was made to do it. :fiery:

Bijoux0021
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:19 AM
Serena should have apologised to the lineperson she abused too. This sounds like a spoilt brat being scolded statement to me. Only doing it because she was made to do it. :fiery:
:)

goldenslam888
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:20 AM
serena getting booed off the court in the slam of her home country shows a lot more damage was done than the slap on the wrist the wta is going give her.

just watching a player just coming off a 2 year layoff, schooling serena, in her prime, was enough for me.

hopefully justine comes back as well.

Lindsayfan32
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:20 AM
After reading it again, the statement is really just as good as an apology. She acknowledges that she acted poorly. Good enough for me. :lol:

It not an apology. Serena should go and look the lineperson she abused in the eye and say I was wrong and I'm sorry. It not even close to an apology to the linesperson.and also apologise to Kim for not letting her have the ending she deserved to the match and also her fans. :mad::fiery:

SharapovaFTW
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:20 AM
No worries need to be had by Serena fans, just for her opponents :devil:.

Sounds like fans of Serena are just as classless as she is. Maybe you too need to look in the mirror because some of your priorities and morals are extremely pathetic and to be honest saddening. I understand if you forgive her for what she did, but to in any shape or form support it is just sad and tasteless. And people wonder why other countries hate us? You guys are the type of people that give Americans bad names.

bandabou
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:22 AM
Hypocrites.. all those people hating now for Serena's reactions yesterday..where were they when Serena showed she can keep her cool back in '04 U.S. Open against Capriati?

But it's cool. That's they way people are, I guess. Calling people sore loser and all..and they all forgot Roger and his One-dimensional comments about Nadal, whom was actually kicking his ass.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:22 AM
Boy, you're desperate and delusional!

Comparing her to Steffi after what Serena did last night? Thanks for the laugh.

Yea, history let's us know that Steffi's fans are the real force to be reckoned with whenever it comes to anybody trying to stop her from becoming #1. :sad:

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:23 AM
serena getting booed off the court in the slam of her home country shows a lot more damage was done than the slap on the wrist the wta is going give her.

just watching a player just coming off a 2 year layoff, schooling serena, in her prime, was enough for me.

hopefully justine comes back as well.

They weren't booing Serena, they were booing the situation. When the announced said Serena's name, people were cheering :o

And 6-4 6-5 is HARDLY a schooling :rolleyes:

MistyGrey
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:23 AM
She's got at least 1 more grand slam singles titles than you do L. She'll finish with more all around slams than you and Steffi combined. This post of yours would be a little more valid if you could somehow produce a Slam. Just one, L....just one.

LOL! What does Steffi or total slam titles have anything to do with this??
Btw, as of right now, Serena is tied with Pam Shriver in overall slams won! :spit:

davidmario
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:24 AM
btw, are chair umpires allowed to overrule foot faults?

Matt01
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:24 AM
Sounds like fans of Serena are just as classless as she is. Maybe you too need to look in the mirror because some of your priorities and morals are extremely pathetic and to be honest saddening. I understand if you forgive her for what she did, but to in any shape or form support it is just sad and tasteless. And people wonder why other countries hate us? You guys are the type of people that give Americans bad names.


:worship:

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:25 AM
LOL! What does Steffi or total slam titles have anything to do with this??
Btw, as of right now, Serena is tied with Pam Shriver in overall slams won! :spit:I guess Steffi has as much to do with this as you had to do with the exchange I was having with the other poster. KTHNXBYE

bandabou
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:26 AM
Hey even old LDV in this thread? And he ain't even a Serena fan..wow, you know you made it!

Steffi was indeed stylish and everything..but as Nadal showed with Roger, Steffi just took advantage of the poor athleticism in women's tennis at the time.

MistyGrey
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:27 AM
I guess Steffi has as much to do with this as you had to do with the exchange I was having with the other poster. KTHNXBYE

Aww.. so bitter! :hug:
seems like this feeling other pplz pain thing finally got to you.:lol:

Donny
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:27 AM
Good. No apologies.

BlameSerena
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:27 AM
It not an apology. Serena should go and look the lineperson she abused in the eye and say I was wrong and I'm sorry. It not even close to an apology to the linesperson.and also apologise to Kim for not letting her have the ending she deserved to the match and also her fans. :mad::fiery:

As long as the linesperson looks her in the eye and apologizes for that bogus call.

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:27 AM
Hey even old LDV in this thread? And he ain't even a Serena fan..wow, you know you made it!

Steffi was indeed stylish and everything..but as Nadal showed with Roger, Steffi just took advantage of the poor athleticism in women's tennis at the time.Well, yea, that and a deranged fan.

tennisIlove09
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:27 AM
That's it? She should be banned for 6 months.

Bijoux0021
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:29 AM
It not an apology. Serena should go and look the lineperson she abused in the eye and say I was wrong and I'm sorry. It not even close to an apology to the linesperson.and also apologise to Kim for not letting her have the ending she deserved to the match and also her fans. :mad::fiery:
I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.
:wavey:

goldenslam888
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:29 AM
Hey even old LDV in this thread? And he ain't even a Serena fan..wow, you know you made it!

Steffi was indeed stylish and everything..but as Nadal showed with Roger, Steffi just took advantage of the poor athleticism in women's tennis at the time.

at least steffi was without doubt, the best of her era.

can serena make the same claim?

Pureracket
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:29 AM
Aww.. so bitter! :hug:
seems like this feeling other pplz pain thing finally got to you.:lol:Not bitter @ all. You chose me to talk to. I didn't choose you. LOL! If you want to join in a convo with me and another poster, just ask. You don't have to be rude about it.

You butted into a convo. Which is better? Bitterness or rudeness?

AcesHigh
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:29 AM
Whatever.

Serena has no class. A lot of her fans don't.

The end. Let's move on to tonight's final/