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gamesetmatchgirl
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:42 PM
First some facts:

Serena herself said in the post match she thought she had committed a foot fault.

Nobody threatened to kill anyone. Serena said in the post match that she (when she was standing up at the umpire's chair afterward) had misheard what the linejudge was claiming she (Serena) had shouted. The "kill" rumor is now unleashed on the internet all because of...Serena. Again, the girl may indeed have enemies, but her biggest one is her own mouth.

Line judge was at least a foot smaller than Serena who charged over to her wielding a racket...just like the one she had earlier smashed into the ground (getting the first warning). Serena's language (and body language) was clearly that of someone out of control and I was actually afraid watching (live) that she was going to attack her.

The line judge went back to her position until the umpire called her over to ask what had transpired. If she was smiling, it was a very nervous kind of smiling...as in "I can't believe what is happening here, I'm not sure how to react."

In a bit of hilarity, McEnroe blurted out that the line judge couldn't possibly have determined whether it was a foot fault from the position she was standing in. Ironically, she was actually the only one aligned with the baseline and was the ONLY one able to make the call. That's kind of why they put a judge along that line Mac. The footage is all from behind the baseline (as was McEnroe's angle).

Serena's losing the match was not the result of one misstep...it was the culmination of a number of things. She looked like someone deliberately out to create some distraction (when her racket didn't break the first time, she picked it up and whacked the ground again...until it finally broke...mature professional that she is).

Serena behaved like thug. She was not in any way a victim of racism (although I'm sure her behavior will inspire a lot of racist commentary). She was playing in Arthur Ashe stadium (google him you nitwits). Ashe was known as above all a gentleman. He was passionate, sometimes fiery but always classy. Serena unfortunately is a very poor heir to his legacy. She ruined that match for herself, for the fans, and most of all for her opponent (who looked stunned and sad).
Serena is an embarrassment to American tennis and she should not be allowed to play in the doubles final. Maybe when she sees that her behavior has cost Venus as well, she snap out of her pathological selfish arrogance.

thegreendestiny
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:56 PM
Arthur Ashe is incomparable to Serena.

50Sense
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:57 PM
First some facts:

Serena herself said in the post match she thought she had committed a foot fault.

Nobody threatened to kill anyone. Serena said in the post match that she (when she was standing up at the umpire's chair afterward) had misheard what the linejudge was claiming she (Serena) had shouted. The "kill" rumor is now unleashed on the internet all because of...Serena. Again, the girl may indeed have enemies, but her biggest one is her own mouth.

Line judge was at least a foot smaller than Serena who charged over to her wielding a racket...just like the one she had earlier smashed into the ground (getting the first warning). Serena's language (and body language) was clearly that of someone out of control and I was actually afraid watching (live) that she was going to attack her.

The line judge went back to her position until the umpire called her over to ask what had transpired. If she was smiling, it was a very nervous kind of smiling...as in "I can't believe what is happening here, I'm not sure how to react."

In a bit of hilarity, McEnroe blurted out that the line judge couldn't possibly have determined whether it was a foot fault from the position she was standing in. Ironically, she was actually the only one aligned with the baseline and was the ONLY one able to make the call. That's kind of why they put a judge along that line Mac. The footage is all from behind the baseline (as was McEnroe's angle).

Serena's losing the match was not the result of one misstep...it was the culmination of a number of things. She looked like someone deliberately out to create some distraction (when her racket didn't break the first time, she picked it up and whacked the ground again...until it finally broke...mature professional that she is).

Serena behaved like thug. She was not in any way a victim of racism (although I'm sure her behavior will inspire a lot of racist commentary). She was playing in Arthur Ashe stadium (google him you nitwits). Ashe was known as above all a gentleman. He was passionate, sometimes fiery but always classy. Serena unfortunately is a very poor heir to his legacy. She ruined that match for herself, for the fans, and most of all for her opponent (who looked stunned and sad).
Serena is an embarrassment to American tennis and she should not be allowed to play in the doubles final. Maybe when she sees that her behavior has cost Venus as well, she snap out of her pathological selfish arrogance.

How...profound. :rolleyes:

Aravanecaravan
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:58 PM
Well stated. She and Arthur Ashe are not cut from the same cloth. That is quite evident.

miffedmax
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:01 PM
So? Arthur Ashe and Serena Williams are different people. If we're consistent, John McEnroe should have run down to the court and shaken Serena's hand.

Lena's bangs.

Paneru
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:02 PM
Question: Why would Ashe be rolling in his grave?

Because Serena went off like the many of JMac and others?

Excuse me, but what does his "legacy" have to do with Serena other than both being black?

Am I perceiving that her simply being black or him being black somehow dictates
to the others legacy for that one sheer fact? Is that what is being got at?

Someone help me out here.

Selah
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:05 PM
And you had to create a new username to spout this drivel because you are too much of a coward to do it under your usual poster name? okay. Which one of your relatives are rolling in their grave after this? LOL

raquel
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:06 PM
Serena's losing the match was not the result of one misstep...it was the culmination of a number of things. She looked like someone deliberately out to create some distraction (when her racket didn't break the first time, she picked it up and whacked the ground again...until it finally broke...mature professional that she is). I agree she didn't lose this because of that one foot fault call but she looked like someone deliberately out to create some distraction? I don't think so. The only person she would want to distract would be Kim and I don't think breaking a racket in front of Kim would distract her much at all.

Serena behaved like thug. She was not in any way a victim of racism (although I'm sure her behavior will inspire a lot of racist commentary). She was playing in Arthur Ashe stadium (google him you nitwits). Ashe was known as above all a gentleman. He was passionate, sometimes fiery but always classy. Serena unfortunately is a very poor heir to his legacy. She ruined that match for herself, for the fans, and most of all for her opponent (who looked stunned and sad).
Serena is an embarrassment to American tennis and she should not be allowed to play in the doubles final. Maybe when she sees that her behavior has cost Venus as well, she snap out of her pathological selfish arrogance.I don't need to google Arthur Ashe, thanks. I do not think this one incident makes her a very poor heir to his legacy. She has acheived too much to have this one incident sum up her career and achievements.

50Sense
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:07 PM
Question: Why would Ashe be rolling in his grave?

Because Serena went off like the many of JMac and others?

Excuse me, but what does his "legacy" have to do with Serena other than both being black?

Am I perceiving that her simply being black or him being black somehow dictates
to the others legacy for that one sheer fact? Is that what is being got at?

Someone help me out here.

I don't think we've agreed on something since "the board that will not be named" but :worship::lol:

Diesel
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:17 PM
Well stated. She and Arthur Ashe are not cut from the same cloth. That is quite evident.

Serena and Ashe only have race in common. That is the dumbest and most base way to make a connection. Only an idiot who sees in simplistic racist terms could paint people with that type of brush. How do black, white, Asians act oh wise great observer of the races?

gamesetmatchgirl
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:20 PM
Arthur Ashe broke down barriers for black kids who were previously discouraged from playing a "country club" sport. Serena (and Venus) have often referred to themselves as beneficiary's of his legacy and they have worked to carry on that legacy through their frequent participation in Arthur Ashe kids day. They speak of themselves as feeling a connection to him because they're black and he was black (this didn't strike them as odd leap to make, but apparently you don't see a connection) and still a minority in the sport.

Paneru
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:29 PM
Arthur Ashe broke down barriers for black kids who were previously discouraged from playing a "country club" sport. Serena (and Venus) have often referred to themselves as beneficiary's of his legacy and they have worked to carry on that legacy through their frequent participation in Arthur Ashe kids day. They speak of themselves as feeling a connection to him because they're black and he was black (this didn't strike them as odd leap to make, but apparently you don't see a connection) and still a minority in the sport.

Apparently you forget that they are all people first before a color.

Plus, carrying on a legacy of giving minorities hope that they can play too doesn't mean that either have to mirror all of whom he was as a person. Again, they are all people first an individuals they have all served to encourage kids.

Jim Brown and Arthur Ashe did a lot for civil rights. In their own ways. Jim wasn't Arthur and Arthur wasn't Jim. Yet Jim berated Arthur for not standing and fighting the fight the way he did. What Jim had to realize was that they were people first before a color. People are different and sharing a cause does not mean they are or should be the same in anything else.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:31 PM
Question: Why would Ashe be rolling in his grave?

Because Serena went off like the many of JMac and others?

Excuse me, but what does his "legacy" have to do with Serena other than both being black?

Am I perceiving that her simply being black or him being black somehow dictates
to the others legacy for that one sheer fact? Is that what is being got at?

Someone help me out here.

:worship::worship::worship:

And you had to create a new username to spout this drivel because you are too much of a coward to do it under your usual poster name? okay. Which one of your relatives are rolling in their grave after this? LOL

:worship::worship::worship:

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:33 PM
Speaking for Arthur Ashe now are we...:rolleyes:.

As everyone has pointed out, Serena and Ashe are different people who deal with situations differently. Choose your preference.

ToeTag
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:41 PM
Arthur Ashe broke down barriers for black kids who were previously discouraged from playing a "country club" sport. Serena (and Venus) have often referred to themselves as beneficiary's of his legacy and they have worked to carry on that legacy through their frequent participation in Arthur Ashe kids day. They speak of themselves as feeling a connection to him because they're black and he was black (this didn't strike them as odd leap to make, but apparently you don't see a connection) and still a minority in the sport.

Althea Gibson did all that before Arthur.

gamesetmatchgirl
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:45 PM
Paneru, we don't disagree in principle with regard to race, but it is naive to think that Serena's poor sportsmanship will be viewed in some kind of vacuum. Her behavior is going to be compared to that of the people she claims as inspiration (just as Martina Hingis's 99 FO meltdown drew unfavorable comparisons with Martina Navratilova for whom she was named...disclaimer...they're both...gasp...white). In this case, Serena has identified Ashe as someone who inspired her and taught her that black people should not accept barriers. You are falling into a kind of moral relativism in saying that one person's idea of what is acceptable public behavior has no bearing on the rest of us. Whether you like it or not, there is a standard of behavior and conduct (in all things, not just tennis) and Serena has (on more than occasion) fallen far below that standard. Those around her do her a great disservice in letting her believe that she was just expressing her individuality.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:48 PM
Althea Gibson did all that before Arthur.

off topic: ToeTag wins the prize for scariest name. :scared:

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM
Don't bring Mr Ashe into this. Thank you.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:53 PM
Interesting first thread for a junior member.
Either someone has been lurking this tennis forum for years to build up this loathing of Serena
or we have ourselves a Serena hater under a different screenname.

Either way, I think security should be involved to look at someone's ISP. :wavey:

SelesFan70
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 PM
John McEnroe is an idiot. He, nor the camera angle, had a clear shot. I really loathe that idiot.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 PM
Don't bring Mr Ashe into this. Thank you.

it says i have to wait to rep you again. :rolleyes: please be patient. :sad:

gmokb
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:02 PM
First some facts:

Serena behaved like thug. She was playing in Arthur Ashe stadium. Ashe was known as above all a gentleman. He was passionate, sometimes fiery but always classy. Serena unfortunately is a very poor heir to his legacy. Serena is an embarrassment to American tennis and she should not be allowed to play in the doubles final. Maybe when she sees that her behavior has cost Venus as well, she snap out of her pathological selfish arrogance.


:lol::lol:Look at you trying to be insightful. If Ashe is rolling in his grave it would be for the way the Open always tries (and now the 2nd time they have succeeded) to rob Serena. Also lets see them try and tell her she cn't play the doubles and don't worry about Serena and Venus, they are just fine.:fiery:

gamesetmatchgirl
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:03 PM
I've been watching and playing tennis for 20 years. I read these boards occasionally and have never felt moved to comment. Last night was such a let down and such a disappointment for someone who has followed and been a fan of Serena since seeing her play live 8 years ago. Those of you who defend her behavior (and who post these hilarious veiled threats to have me "unmasked" and silenced) sound like truculent 12 year old groupies, not fans of a professional (?) athlete. Grow up.

No Name Face
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:05 PM
Oh wow, you've figured out that not all black people are the same? You're obviously further along than some of the other geniuses on this board.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:41 PM
I've been watching and playing tennis for 20 years. I read these boards occasionally and have never felt moved to comment. Last night was such a let down and such a disappointment for someone who has followed and been a fan of Serena since seeing her play live 8 years ago. Those of you who defend her behavior (and who post these hilarious veiled threats to have me "unmasked" and silenced) sound like truculent 12 year old groupies, not fans of a professional (?) athlete. Grow up.

Tennis fan for over 20 years but you've never felt moved to comment on anything on one of the biggest sports forums on the net.
Seems like you live off of negativity to me.

I don't have to unmask you. You've done a pretty good job of it yourself actually.
I haven't once gone after a poster for their opinions on this Serena incident because most have shown their passion for tennis previously.
You on the other hand have been indifferent until now.
But considering what ignorance is spewed from the initial post you made in this thread, I can understand the insecurities. :lol: :help:

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Oh wow, you've figured out that not all black people are the same? You're obviously further along than some of the other geniuses on this board.

:worship:

Thanx4nothin
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:42 PM
:rolleyes:So? Arthur Ashe and Serena Williams are different people. If we're consistent, John McEnroe should have run down to the court and shaken Serena's hand.

Lena's bangs.

I know, God maybe Ghandi is rolling in his grave as well, in fact, the corspses of all visionaries are doing the hokie-cokie atm! :eek:

:lol: @ the retards complaining that this will overshadow Kim's victory, when, the numerous threads, seemingly one more every minute, are doing a far better job of that than serena cussing out a lineswoman ever could.

trufanjay
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:46 PM
First some facts:

Serena herself said in the post match she thought she had committed a foot fault.

Nobody threatened to kill anyone. Serena said in the post match that she (when she was standing up at the umpire's chair afterward) had misheard what the linejudge was claiming she (Serena) had shouted. The "kill" rumor is now unleashed on the internet all because of...Serena. Again, the girl may indeed have enemies, but her biggest one is her own mouth.

Line judge was at least a foot smaller than Serena who charged over to her wielding a racket...just like the one she had earlier smashed into the ground (getting the first warning). Serena's language (and body language) was clearly that of someone out of control and I was actually afraid watching (live) that she was going to attack her.

The line judge went back to her position until the umpire called her over to ask what had transpired. If she was smiling, it was a very nervous kind of smiling...as in "I can't believe what is happening here, I'm not sure how to react."

In a bit of hilarity, McEnroe blurted out that the line judge couldn't possibly have determined whether it was a foot fault from the position she was standing in. Ironically, she was actually the only one aligned with the baseline and was the ONLY one able to make the call. That's kind of why they put a judge along that line Mac. The footage is all from behind the baseline (as was McEnroe's angle).

Serena's losing the match was not the result of one misstep...it was the culmination of a number of things. She looked like someone deliberately out to create some distraction (when her racket didn't break the first time, she picked it up and whacked the ground again...until it finally broke...mature professional that she is).

Serena behaved like thug. She was not in any way a victim of racism (although I'm sure her behavior will inspire a lot of racist commentary). She was playing in Arthur Ashe stadium (google him you nitwits). Ashe was known as above all a gentleman. He was passionate, sometimes fiery but always classy. Serena unfortunately is a very poor heir to his legacy. She ruined that match for herself, for the fans, and most of all for her opponent (who looked stunned and sad).
Serena is an embarrassment to American tennis and she should not be allowed to play in the doubles final. Maybe when she sees that her behavior has cost Venus as well, she snap out of her pathological selfish arrogance.
:lol:

This stuff just gets better and better. "An embarrassment to American tennis." CLASSIC BULLSHIT :rolleyes:

moon
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:33 AM
:rolleyes: at this thread and the thread starter.

Clearly you don't know much about Arthur Ashe. He would have been rolling over in his graves, years ago, at the treatment the girls received when they first joined the tour. He would have been spitting mad after Indian Wells. And don't even get me started on all the slights they have gotten in the press over the years.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:49 AM
Well let him spin, do the "reject" and the "stinky leg" if wants too. Who gives a damn.

AA doesn't have shit to do with this.

bobbynorwich
Sep 14th, 2009, 02:35 AM
First some facts:

Serena herself said in the post match she thought she had committed a foot fault.

Nobody threatened to kill anyone. Serena said in the post match that she (when she was standing up at the umpire's chair afterward) had misheard what the linejudge was claiming she (Serena) had shouted. The "kill" rumor is now unleashed on the internet all because of...Serena. Again, the girl may indeed have enemies, but her biggest one is her own mouth.

Line judge was at least a foot smaller than Serena who charged over to her wielding a racket...just like the one she had earlier smashed into the ground (getting the first warning). Serena's language (and body language) was clearly that of someone out of control and I was actually afraid watching (live) that she was going to attack her.

The line judge went back to her position until the umpire called her over to ask what had transpired. If she was smiling, it was a very nervous kind of smiling...as in "I can't believe what is happening here, I'm not sure how to react."

In a bit of hilarity, McEnroe blurted out that the line judge couldn't possibly have determined whether it was a foot fault from the position she was standing in. Ironically, she was actually the only one aligned with the baseline and was the ONLY one able to make the call. That's kind of why they put a judge along that line Mac. The footage is all from behind the baseline (as was McEnroe's angle).

Serena's losing the match was not the result of one misstep...it was the culmination of a number of things. She looked like someone deliberately out to create some distraction (when her racket didn't break the first time, she picked it up and whacked the ground again...until it finally broke...mature professional that she is).

Serena behaved like thug. She was not in any way a victim of racism (although I'm sure her behavior will inspire a lot of racist commentary). She was playing in Arthur Ashe stadium (google him you nitwits). Ashe was known as above all a gentleman. He was passionate, sometimes fiery but always classy. Serena unfortunately is a very poor heir to his legacy. She ruined that match for herself, for the fans, and most of all for her opponent (who looked stunned and sad).
Serena is an embarrassment to American tennis and she should not be allowed to play in the doubles final. Maybe when she sees that her behavior has cost Venus as well, she snap out of her pathological selfish arrogance.

:worship:

ys
Sep 14th, 2009, 03:08 AM
Arthur Ashe is a great player. Serena is, as much as I dislike her, the GOAT in my and in many's eyes. Surely, different weight category.

kiwifan
Sep 14th, 2009, 04:36 AM
Well stated. She and Arthur Ashe are not cut from the same cloth. That is quite evident.

All Black people aren't the same...just like none of the white tennis players have claim on Mother Teresa. :p

rjd1111
Sep 14th, 2009, 04:54 AM
First some facts:

Serena herself said in the post match she thought she had committed a foot fault.

Nobody threatened to kill anyone. Serena said in the post match that she (when she was standing up at the umpire's chair afterward) had misheard what the linejudge was claiming she (Serena) had shouted. The "kill" rumor is now unleashed on the internet all because of...Serena. Again, the girl may indeed have enemies, but her biggest one is her own mouth.

Line judge was at least a foot smaller than Serena who charged over to her wielding a racket...just like the one she had earlier smashed into the ground (getting the first warning). Serena's language (and body language) was clearly that of someone out of control and I was actually afraid watching (live) that she was going to attack her.

The line judge went back to her position until the umpire called her over to ask what had transpired. If she was smiling, it was a very nervous kind of smiling...as in "I can't believe what is happening here, I'm not sure how to react."

In a bit of hilarity, McEnroe blurted out that the line judge couldn't possibly have determined whether it was a foot fault from the position she was standing in. Ironically, she was actually the only one aligned with the baseline and was the ONLY one able to make the call. That's kind of why they put a judge along that line Mac. The footage is all from behind the baseline (as was McEnroe's angle).

Serena's losing the match was not the result of one misstep...it was the culmination of a number of things. She looked like someone deliberately out to create some distraction (when her racket didn't break the first time, she picked it up and whacked the ground again...until it finally broke...mature professional that she is).

Serena behaved like thug. She was not in any way a victim of racism (although I'm sure her behavior will inspire a lot of racist commentary). She was playing in Arthur Ashe stadium (google him you nitwits). Ashe was known as above all a gentleman. He was passionate, sometimes fiery but always classy. Serena unfortunately is a very poor heir to his legacy. She ruined that match for herself, for the fans, and most of all for her opponent (who looked stunned and sad).
Serena is an embarrassment to American tennis and she should not be allowed to play in the doubles final. Maybe when she sees that her behavior has cost Venus as well, she snap out of her pathological selfish arrogance.

\
Another Lie. Serena did not say that she had committed a foot fault

She said She didn't know. And I didn't see it on the replay.

Why do people have to lie to try and validate their opinions

I listened to Ree's interview more than once and did not hear her admit to

a foot fault. That and the last statement you made

invalidates the rest of your post.

Serendy Willick
Sep 14th, 2009, 05:05 AM
Arthur Ashe is nothing more than a token race card that the USTA wants to throw around to cover their asses. Jim Brown said it best about Arthur. Arthur Ashe was nowhere to be seen when american blacks were fighting Jim Crow.

LDVTennis
Sep 14th, 2009, 05:44 AM
Arthur Ashe is nothing more than a token race card that the USTA wants to throw around to cover their asses. Jim Brown said it best about Arthur. Arthur Ashe was nowhere to be seen when american blacks were fighting Jim Crow.

Jim Crow-type segregation was effectively ended when Congress passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

In 1964, Arthur Ashe would have been just finishing his freshmen year at UCLA. In 1964, Arthur Ashe was 21. Ashe first became a social/political activist in 1968 after he was denied a visa to play Davis Cup in South Africa.

In 1964, Jim Brown was a professional football player. He was 27 years old. Jim Brown didn't become a social activist until after he retired.

Neither could have played a crucial role in bringing segregation to an end. They were just too young, Ashe 6 years younger than Brown.

Both had an equal opportunity to call attention to the biggest social and political injustice of their era, apartheid in South Africa. Arthur Ashe did in a very prominent way. Jim Brown was acting in film and television.

Pat Bateman
Sep 14th, 2009, 05:56 AM
Arthur's not rolling over in grave. Doing somersaults, more likely.