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TSequoia01
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:46 PM
I missed the match last night, had to work. So this morning been searching for the angles that clearly show Serena's footfault. Make no mistake about it, the angle exists which clearly shows the fault. The mere fact that it is not shown is suspicious. Let me add nothing excuses Serena's behavior. But if she really did fault, it would be plastered on every newspaper in America. The fact that it is missing speaks volumes!

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:56 PM
I don't think they do have it - I think they would have shown it in the broadcast if they had it. Normally when there's controversy over something like this, they would show it from all available angles.

supergrunt
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpV3LmktrjQ&eurl=http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D390801&feature=player_embedded

u can watch this and see that it clearly was not a foot fault

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpV3LmktrjQ&eurl=http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D390801&feature=player_embedded

u can watch this and see that it clearly was not a foot fault
where on that video is it clearly not a footfault?

The only replays I've found in there are an angled view from the back of the court and prove absolutely nothing, it's impossible to tell from that sort of angle. The only conclusive angle would be a side-on camera angle.

TSequoia01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:02 PM
I don't think they do have it - I think they would have shown it in the broadcast if they had it. Normally when there's controversy over something like this, they would show it from all available angles.

Trust me they have multiangle shots on every side and baseline. If it is not shown, someone does not want it shown.

Alec
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpV3LmktrjQ&eurl=http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D390801&feature=player_embedded

u can watch this and see that it clearly was not a foot fault

it's hard to say whether it is from your video :o

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Trust me they have multiangle shots on every side and baseline. If it is not shown, someone does not want it shown.
Okay Mulder.

The truth is out there.

TheAllan
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:18 PM
Trust me they have multiangle shots on every side and baseline. If it is not shown, someone does not want it shown.
Don't think so. I can't recall seeing a slow-motion replay with a close-up side view of the baseline at any time in the tournament. I think they cut costs by removing those cams. They also don't want them to interfere with Hawk-Eye - it could put the system into question. But it leaves us stranded when it comes to those foot fault calls.

-Sonic-
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:39 PM
Don't think so. I can't recall seeing a slow-motion replay with a close-up side view of the baseline at any time in the tournament. I think they cut costs by removing those cams. They also don't want them to interfere with Hawk-Eye - it could put the system into question. But it leaves us stranded when it comes to those foot fault calls.

I've not seen any replays from that angle this tournament either... Shame!

TSequoia01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:41 PM
Don't think so. I can't recall seeing a slow-motion replay with a close-up side view of the baseline at any time in the tournament. I think they cut costs by removing those cams. They also don't want them to interfere with Hawk-Eye - it could put the system into question. But it leaves us stranded when it comes to those foot fault calls.

Remember the stare down after Serena's footfault, well they showed a baseline shot confirming that in fact she did footfault, had a little skip in her footwork. If you watch Serena this time around the foot is sturdy does not move at all...........no footfault. But they do have a more conclusive angle. I would bet on it.

Volcana
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:49 PM
Trust me they have multiangle shots on every side and baseline. If it is not shown, someone does not want it shown.Should they have that? Yes. DO they!?!?

What would it take, really, to cover every foot-fault? Four cameras, and operators, focused just on the feet of the servers, a pair for each dervice line. Technologically feasible, yes, but expensive, given how infrequently foot faults are called.

Simply put, I don't believe the Triads had threatend to kill the lineswoman's family if she didn't make a bad call at a critical junction to throw the match to Clijsters. Or whatever the conspiracy theory of the week is. Serena lost her composure. It happens.

goldenslam888
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM
don't u know the tennis "powers to be" and espn both plotted that a foot fault would be called during a crucial time. therefore, no camera angles showing the baseline were allowed.

Leo_DFP
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 PM
They don't keep a camera on that line anymore. They used to in the days of the "Mac Cam" on CBS. But with ShotSpot, they don't need to for line calls. Too bad we don't have a better view. From behind, it doesn't look like a foot fault. But apparently Serena admitted that she thought she did foot fault. The call is the call, and it's not changing.

urklerlay
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Long time ago they used to have the baseline camera, but there is no need for it now that they have HawkEye.



Trust me they have multiangle shots on every side and baseline. If it is not shown, someone does not want it shown.

TSequoia01
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:23 PM
Know that I am not the only one who saw the replay of Serena's footfault after the staredown. Someone else had to see it and the angle.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:25 PM
They just showed a view from the front before the mens semi... it wasnt a foot fault...

adam_ads_n
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:36 PM
From this angle it looked like she stepped on a line a bit. However - it's not the point of the whole situation. She should accept the decision and keep playing, and not curse the lineswoman.

I have nothing against Serena, however she didn't behave in a way a sportsman should behave.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:38 PM
From this angle it looked like she stepped on a line a bit. However - it's not the point of the whole situation. She should accept the decision and keep playing, and not curse the lineswoman.

I have nothing against Serena, however she didn't behave in a way a sportsman should behave.

And she is paying for that unfortunately. Funny how when I really want her to go off she doesn't and when I really want her to keep it together, she loses it. Whatever, she took it like a pro when she was told of the result. Didn't bitch and moan. Moving on.

But about that call...should be reviewed!

adam_ads_n
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:43 PM
And she is paying for that unfortunately. Funny how when I really want her to go off she doesn't and when I really want her to keep it together, she loses it. Whatever, she took it like a pro when she was told of the result. Didn't bitch and moan. Moving on.

But about that call...should be reviewed!
Well...she behaved well except throwing the racket :p She was so angry at this point that I thought she would just get out of the court without shaking hands with Kim.

It can be reviewed, but it won't change anything.

TSequoia01
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:25 PM
From this angle it looked like she stepped on a line a bit. However - it's not the point of the whole situation. She should accept the decision and keep playing, and not curse the lineswoman.

I have nothing against Serena, however she didn't behave in a way a sportsman should behave.

I agree, Richard agrees, Oracene agrees, Venus agrees, and if you ask her Serena agrees. However, lets take a look at it from her side. Serena has been fighting with tennis establishment types the whole year mainly the WTA. They decided this year to take punitive actions against the Sisters with regards to IW and the amount of tournies they play. When they struck, Serena struck. She focused on the slams and trashed WTA events. She won big money at the Slams, played doubles and won those too. Ignoring the small events. When the draw is announced it is bought with the officials and not drawn in public. Everyone she lost to this summer is on her side of the draw along with Venus. She is on the short side of a 6-4, 6-5, 15-30 score and then is called for a foot fault, she believes deeply did not occur. A call that unless very flagrant is never called. Her anger was not at the linesperson although she took it out on her. It was on everyone who shorted her over the years. All the years she held it in. Watching people holding up hands, denying being hit, bad calls to her and her sister and getting away with it. True misfortune befalls all tennis players, part of the game. But I can not recall a non-occurring footfault being called in such a situation at such a time in the match..

Elenarulez
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnQp9YoLl68

TheAllan
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:54 PM
Finally the real evidence emerges. Yeah, pretty close.

-n45uv46xS8

Pengwin
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:03 PM
There's no clear evidence either way yet unfortunately. Until we get any we should refrain from judgement.

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Finally the real evidence emerges. Yeah, pretty close.

-n45uv46xS8


:lol:

TSequoia01
Sep 15th, 2009, 10:15 PM
Well I guess like Venus and Serena said it is time to move on, but.......it would have been nice for the ITF to have provided evidence that Serea's foot did touch the line. The fact that they did not, means the call was shaky.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 15th, 2009, 10:21 PM
There's absolutely no doubt the call was shaky. Everybody who's making ANY attempt at fair-mindedness acknowledges that.

What I find to be a real shame is that if Serena had kept her cool and went ahead and continued to serve, the bogus call would have been the focus and NOT her behavior, and there would have been a real opportunity to enter a dialogue about foot faults being included in the replay system somehow.

Now, that is nothing but an obscure side-show in the circus of over reaction to her behavior.

EDIT:

Just read the article about foot fault review. There is hope. :bounce: :bounce:

TSequoia01
Sep 15th, 2009, 10:31 PM
There's absolutely no doubt the call was shaky. Everybody who's making ANY attempt at fair-mindedness acknowledges that.

What I find to be a real shame is that if Serena had kept her cool and went ahead and continued to serve, the bogus call would have been the focus and NOT her behavior, and there would have been a real opportunity to enter a dialogue about foot faults being included in the replay system somehow.

Now, that is nothing but an obscure side-show in the circus of over reaction to her behavior.

I too wish Rena could have kept her composure, but the whole year has weighed on her beginning with IW and the new schedule. Then there is the history of treatment, watching 7 double faults called on Venus with a scattering of calls on everyone else. To make that call at 6-4, 6-5, 15-30 was unbelieveable. Especially when they can not prove it.

bandabou
Sep 15th, 2009, 11:20 PM
If it ain't certain and obvious, you don't call it. Imagine if it was already 15-40 and second serve and they make this call?!

Matt01
Sep 16th, 2009, 10:56 AM
If it ain't certain and obvious, you don't call it. Imagine if it was already 15-40 and second serve and they make this call?!


Yeah, then I would have been seriously worried for that poor lineswoman :scared:

Feyd
Sep 16th, 2009, 11:09 AM
If it ain't certain and obvious, you don't call it. Imagine if it was already 15-40 and second serve and they make this call?!

There is nothing even to suggest lineswoman was not sure of the call she made.