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tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:04 AM
Calling a footfault at this juncture of the match - NEVER APPRERCIATED not only by the players but by the chair umpires and by the tennis officials management.

Julian.
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:05 AM
Since when? Rules are rules.

edificio
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:06 AM
Doubt it. Look at Mariana Alves. Look at figure skating, for crissakes.

Wojtek
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:08 AM
Bullshit rules are rules. She did good job

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:09 AM
Since when? Rules are rules.

Maybe I'm from the old school, but that's just not how you want things to end, especially when it isn't glaringly obvious. At the same time, she is doing her job, so hopefully she gets employee of the month for following the "rules" since that foot fault was such a big one. :rolleyes:

Serena :smash: just keep it together next time please!

Serena Zvonereva McEnroe played horribly today. Upwards and onwards.

Sam L
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:09 AM
Nah she'll thrive unfortunately. These incompetent hacks don't go away.

Yeah Mariana Alves. :help:

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:10 AM
Since when? Rules are rules.

of course. however, was there really an advantage that she gained?

jacobruiz
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:11 AM
What if it was Kim who foot-faulted right before match point and the linesperson DIDN'T call it? Would that have been more fair?

Steff_forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:11 AM
maybe in a match where this non-person plays

In any other match she will continue her good work and will be backed by the ITF&WTA.

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:12 AM
Bullshit rules are rules. She did good job

believe me, I know this business a bit.

Julian.
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:13 AM
of course. however, was there really an advantage that she gained?

So you're saying she is supposed to keep quiet when she saw the foot fault just to please everyone?

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:13 AM
What if it was Kim who foot-faulted right before match point and the linesperson DIDN'T call it? Would that have been more fair?

Has anyone EVER foot-faulted to get to double match point during the semifinal of a slam though? You just don't see it because no one is bold enough to call it (if it has happened) because the stakes are higher. The tennis matters the most.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:14 AM
i don't think so. she probably just won't work another serena match that's all.

MaitaBaby
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:15 AM
It wasn't on match point and it's not crissakes. :lol:

gentenaire
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:16 AM
I hope so!

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:17 AM
So you're saying she is supposed to keep quiet when she saw the foot fault just to please everyone?

yes, depending on the match situation. after all if you ask 20,000 people in Ashe stadium whether cared about this FF or if Kim made, they carer 0. They wanted to see the end of the match, not the penalty and effectively a default. Novody will tell that line umpirre that she shouldn't have done it, but there are millions other ways to express it

Julian.
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:17 AM
It wasn't on match point and it's not crissakes. :lol:

Yeah, and Serena herself who wasted the match point.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:18 AM
linejudges dont have careers
its mostly a hobby, they only get expenses, so its no diff if they work at a 10k or a slam.
she's at a age where she's never or did want to be an umpire.

she'll still linejudge

Wigglytuff
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:18 AM
Nah she'll thrive unfortunately. These incompetent hacks don't go away.

Yeah Mariana Alves. :help:

i know i was disgusted to see her ugly ass on the chair during this USO. just sick. i swear it feels like these hacks could call every single ball V and S out and not a damn thing would happen.

Julian.
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:18 AM
yes, depending on the match situation. after all if you ask 20,000 people in Ashe stadium whether cared about this FF or if Kim made, they carer 0. They wanted to see the end of the match, not the penalty and effectively a default. Novody will tell that line umpirre that she shouldn't have done it, but there are millions other ways to express it

She didn't even cause the penalty and default.

Serena herself did.

SVK
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:18 AM
I remeber that Echagaray (ATP) foot-faulted after second service on matchpoint in third set...it was tiebreak and he was down *5:6

VIDEO
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btw. I don“t think the line woman was wrong, it was very close..we need a picture or something like this, because it wasn“t clear from video

skanky~skanketta
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:22 AM
While I am pissed at the way the match ended, a fault is a fault. It's not fair to let it go. If it was, double-touches, lets on crucial moments during matches should be allowed as well.

What the linesperson did was fair. She was doing her job. But the way she made such a big deal saying that Serena threatened to kill her was completely out of line. For that, she needs to be fired.

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:22 AM
linejudges dont have careers
its mostly a hobby, they only get expenses, so its no diff if they work at a 10k or a slam.
she's at a age where she's never or did want to be an umpire.

she'll still linejudge

they do. some as a full time. and to be at the GS's is a career for me as they work very hard to get there. especially in the US.

Wigglytuff
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:22 AM
So you're saying she is supposed to keep quiet when she saw the foot fault just to please everyone?

sorry but she didnt a foot fault. if you need a camera to zoom in from a ton of different angles and you STILL cant a conclusive answer than she did not see a foot fault. she might have something that could maybe in the right light if you squint and turn your head side look like a foot fault. but she did not see a clear cut foot fault.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:23 AM
i know i was disgusted to see her ugly ass on the chair during this USO. just sick. i swear it feels like these hacks could call every single ball V and S out and not a damn thing would happen.

I saw her last week and ummm....she's actually not that bad looking in person. looks really young too. :bolt:

gmokb
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:23 AM
A pity but nothing will happen to her. Serena will be fined after being robbed as there was no foot fault but the incompetent linewoman will get a pat on the back and if the organization has its way an apology from Serena. Screw them!!!!!!!!

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:23 AM
She didn't even cause the penalty and default.

Serena herself did.

not how it will be looked at.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:26 AM
While I am pissed at the way the match ended, a fault is a fault. It's not fair to let it go. If it was, double-touches, lets on crucial moments during matches should be allowed as well.

What the linesperson did was fair. She was doing her job. But the way she made such a big deal saying that Serena threatened to kill her was completely out of line. For that, she needs to be fired.

Yeah, Serena thought that is what she said as well. As did I. However, Serena said she thought that's what she heard the linejudge say, but she actually said, "She said fuck you," according to gototennis blog. Still, the linejudge appeared did make a big deal out of it, and the people in charge didn't seem to interested in Serena's pov. The guy looked like he would be lenient, but the lady was a bitch about it. Sad.

Julian.
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:26 AM
sorry but she didnt a foot fault. if you need a camera to zoom in from a ton of different angles and you STILL cant a conclusive answer than she did not see a foot fault. she might have something that could maybe in the right light if you squint and turn your head side look like a foot fault. but she did not see a clear cut foot fault.

If she shouted 'foot fault' that means she saw the foot fault. Doesn't matter what everyone else saw. It happens a lot in other sports too. It's part of the game. That's why they put the linesmen there in the first place.

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:26 AM
A pity but nothing will happen to her. Serena will be fined after being robbed as there was no foot fault but the incompetent linewoman will get a pat on the back and if the organization has its way an apology from Serena. Screw them!!!!!!!!

no. I can just see her talking to the USTA head of officials and his reaction...

Goai
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:27 AM
She was doing her job.

mure
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:28 AM
now that's a huge blow to the wta :haha:

mure
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:29 AM
she'll be fine,Clijsters will send her some of her money prize propably

Julian.
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:31 AM
she'll be fine,Clijsters will send her some of her money prize propably

She would even get some extra from Caro. :spit:

powerbackhand
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:34 AM
the vast majority of foot faults are never called. that little bitch.... the way she ran back the second time to tell about serena was so juvenile......grrrrrrrrrr

Wigglytuff
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:36 AM
If she shouted 'foot fault' that means she saw the foot fault. Doesn't matter what everyone else saw. It happens a lot in other sports too. It's part of the game. That's why they put the linesmen there in the first place.

OMG... how can she see a foot fault if there was none. thats the whole point of the challenge system (which sadly does not include foot faults) but the idea is the same. linespeople ARE WRONG ALL THE TIME. they say "OUT" but then shot spot clearly shows it was not. my point, which was clear i thought, is that there should be, and i am sure there is, tape to CLEARLY show if there was a foot fault. if the was not footfault it doesnt matter what she shouted.

they are not telling us, the public, but you better believe there is tape to show if she was wrong or not.

Halardfan
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:42 AM
How long does she have to make the call? A fragment of a second..if she sincerely believes it to be a fault, she has to make that call, regardless of the situation. We cant have a situation where a judge has to think, that a fault has occured, but its at a key point of the match so better keep quiet.

No one wanted the match to end that way, its very unfortunate for all involved.

Wigglytuff
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:55 AM
How long does she have to make the call? A fragment of a second..if she sincerely believes it to be a fault, she has to make that call, regardless of the situation. We cant have a situation where a judge has to think, that a fault has occured, but its at a key point of the match so better keep quiet.

No one wanted the match to end that way, its very unfortunate for all involved.

thats fair. my point is two-fold
1- dont call it unless you actually see it. (this might seem like a given but with some players, venus and serena among others, it has not always been that way).

2- just as with a ball, you should be able to challenge a foot at this level of play. with the technology and accurate recording tools there is no way that one person should be able to have final word without even looking at the tape.

we have seen with the challenge system that lines people are often wrong. the challenge system has allowed players to insure a fairer game as well as the eliminate doubt and questions like this.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:57 AM
..if she sincerely believes it to be a fault...

Well that IS the question, isn't it.

StephenUK
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:59 AM
What a stupid thread! I am sure she will get a lot of respect for standing up for the rules of tennis! You can't let officials be abused like that, especially after they have come to see you at the umpire's chair.

Serena's fans are moaning yet given the past history of the players' matches, being two match points down to Kim was no obstacle to Serena winning in the past. Serena should have stopped whining and played on - her stupid behaviour cost her the match!

Steff_forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:03 AM
linejudges dont have careers
its mostly a hobby, they only get expenses, so its no diff if they work at a 10k or a slam.
she's at a age where she's never or did want to be an umpire.

she'll still linejudge
:hug:

Halardfan
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:04 AM
thats fair. my point is two-fold
1- dont call it unless you actually see it. (this might seem like a given but with some players, venus and serena among others, it has not always been that way).

2- just as with a ball, you should be able to challenge a foot at this level of play. with the technology and accurate recording tools there is no way that one person should be able to have final word without even looking at the tape.

we have seen with the challenge system that lines people are often wrong. the challenge system has allowed players to insure a fairer game as well as the eliminate doubt and questions like this.

Yes, I agree there is a case for reviewing the foot fault rules, seeing if technology can be employed as it has in other areas.

To a greater or lesser extent I feel sorry for all the parties involved...Serena exiting in part due to questionable call, Kim winning in a fashion she wouldnt have wanted, and the line judge at the centre of a storm, for making a call we must assume she sincerely believed to be right.

I looked at the clip on Youtube, it was depressing to see a few comments left there, towards both Serena and the line judge, tinged with racism.

Pat Bateman
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:05 AM
The line umpire did her job. Gutsy call. :worship:
Rules are rules and the umpires are there to make tough calls like this.

Wigglytuff
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:17 AM
Yes, I agree there is a case for reviewing the foot fault rules, seeing if technology can be employed as it has in other areas.

To a greater or lesser extent I feel sorry for all the parties involved...Serena exiting in part due to questionable call, Kim winning in a fashion she wouldnt have wanted, and the line judge at the centre of a storm, for making a call we must assume she sincerely believed to be right.

I looked at the clip on Youtube, it was depressing to see a few comments left there, towards both Serena and the line judge, tinged with racism.

complete agree. there are no winners in this situation. i think thats why a lot of kims fans have such anger toward serena because they blame her for the whole mess but as i said it takes two to tango. the call coming when it did, really ruined everything. even if serena had just smiled and said nothing and kept playing the board would have still gone down with talk of that call. and many questions unanswered. I HOPE even though it is silly, that the tours and the tournaments will look at this a chance to examine a system that needs correcting and looking at.

sad to say that i dont doubt for a SECOND that a lot of the vitriol toward serena and the line judge are related to issues of race. even though indian wells was a completely different issue, its hard not to think about that. and for people who have for YEARS thought venus and serena a blight on the game for their skin color this wrong behavior of serena must serve as some sort of vindication in their twisted minds. in a situation like this there are no winners.

sorceress
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:55 AM
Would this thread even exist if this foot fault was called at a different stage of the match? Or if Serena had difused the match point instead of blowing up?
These calls go on in sport, dubious or difficult calls.
They are going to happen - As a competitor you move on and continue the match.

It's pretty easy for us in here to say these things, officiating is a thankless job and it's not like she had anything to gain calling it..

RND
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:58 AM
of course. however, was there really an advantage that she gained?
She wasn't there to gain any advantage. She was there to do her job. :o :o :o

Steffica Greles
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:09 AM
The tennis matters the most.

Exactly. And if rules don't apply, or if they're applied selectively, then there is no tennis, and there's no Serena, or Kim for that matter.

And Serena concedes herself that she might well have foot faulted and it was right to call it.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:19 AM
If they stop her from working future tournaments that would be retaliation.

hiraki_schmiraki
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:29 AM
This was from Serena's press conference....


Q. Would you be interested to see if you actually foot faulted?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I'm pretty sure I did. If she called a foot fault, she must have seen a foot fault. I mean, she was doing her job. I'm not going to knock her for not doing her job.

Morrissey
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:33 AM
The lines call was WRONG the VIDEO REPLAY proves the BITCH was totally out of line. In addition, this lineswoman is a BITCH she has serious ATTITUDE!!!!

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:37 AM
The lines call was WRONG the VIDEO REPLAY proves the BITCH was totally out of line. In addition, this lineswoman is a BITCH she has serious ATTITUDE!!!!

Serena was the only bitch in this incident.

Ian Aberdon
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:40 AM
So Serena, if you believe the line judge made the right call, WHERE'S THE BEEF?? :scratch:

None of the officials' careers should "be in tatters". They made a decision. A hard one, but a decision.

Monica_Rules
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:52 AM
Um no offence but a rule, is a rule, is a rule whenever the thing is called. If it wasn't called its called being bias.

There is no way serena should have responded the way she had, i mean i've never seen her like that before. I was scared she was going to come and kill me.

scheele
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:56 AM
Its unbelievable how moronic serena behaved.

Bijoux0021
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:58 AM
Nah she'll thrive unfortunately. These incompetent hacks don't go away.

Yeah Mariana Alves. :help:
She'll probaby get a promotion. Alves kept her job, didn't she? Who's to say this line judge and Mariana Alves were not told to screw Serena?

forever_rafter
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:59 AM
What a stupid thread. She did her job for God's sake and Williams should be happy she didn't press charges against her.

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:13 AM
Its unbelievable how moronic serena behaved.

...and her fans.

Letooke
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:19 AM
First of all, that line judge did her job. If she sees a foot fault she should call it, no matter who's playing or what point in the match.
Second of all, although the timing of that foot fault was very unfortunate, Serena reacted so dreadfully and unprofessionally that she lost the match on her second unprofessional conduct of that match. That's also clearly stated in tennis rules. You can show som degree of frustration towards a line judge (that happens a lot), but you can't tell them you want to shove a f... ball in their f... throat and wave your racket in their faces! That's just not done and it deserved a warning. The second one, so Serena gets a point penalty and loses the match. If you ask me, Serena did that all to herself and she deserved what she got. It's as simple as that.

And to all those people stating that there is some kind of conspiracy between WTA and/or ITF officials to make fake fault calls whenever Venus or Serena are playing: get a life! I'm sure there are UFO's flying over your backyard as we speak.

Last but not least: Serena should own up to what she did and appologize for it. Any decent human being with some kind of conscience would consider that the right thing to do.

That doesn't take anything away from the fact that Serena is a fantastic tennis player who deserves respect for that. It would only be nice if she herself would show some respect too in this matter.

Letooke
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:26 AM
Who's to say this line judge and Mariana Alves were not told to screw Serena?

Yes off course... The WTA or ITF bigshots are probably wearing alien anal probes and running around naked in crop circles plotting their 'boycot Serena'-plans for the sake of their home planet. And the government is probably in on it too! :rolleyes:

Letooke
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:32 AM
The lines call was WRONG the VIDEO REPLAY proves the BITCH was totally out of line. In addition, this lineswoman is a BITCH she has serious ATTITUDE!!!!

Look who's talking. Oh well... :rolleyes:

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:09 PM
Calling a footfault at this juncture of the match - NEVER APPRERCIATED not only by the players but by the chair umpires and by the tennis officials management.

The chair umpire did appreciate it. It was Engzell who encouraged that incompetent hack to keep whining.
Imo, the negative role of Engzell in this match is overlooked. Serena complained to her twice about Kim's serves that were clearly out but called in and Engzell did nothing even though one of those serves landed right under her nose.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:11 PM
The lineswoman's career will be fine unless it can be proved she was maliciously and deliberately making an inaccurate call - and it won't be proved.

Marianna Alves still works - she even does Serena matches. This lineswoman's career will be no more in tatters than Alves's

Crazy Canuck
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:41 PM
I remeber that Echagaray (ATP) foot-faulted after second service on matchpoint in third set...it was tiebreak and he was down *5:6

VIDEO
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btw. I don“t think the line woman was wrong, it was very close..we need a picture or something like this, because it wasn“t clear from video

The funniest part of that entire video is listening to the commentator deadpan his commentary through the entire thing. "Oh my ... he's turning over... turning over the chair.... He's furious now" The entire thing, just flat. The commentator sounds completely unmoved.

Danxu
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:41 PM
Seriously, I dont think she's going to forget this anytime soon,she looked so scared :sad:

delicatecutter
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:43 PM
Not after I read she smiled after giving the foot fault.

markhingis
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:45 PM
I do feel sorry for her. Whatever Serena said towards her, she could have felt frightened.
Serena's angry look could kill, not mentioning her posture. poor older woman :(

PatrickRyan
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:49 PM
She made a stupid call and got what she deserved.

Slutiana
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:52 PM
:lol: She was retarded to call it anyway. It's her own fault.

JURasic
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:52 PM
she got what she asked for...

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:53 PM
feel bad for what??

PatrickRyan
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Girl if it was me I would have slapped a bitch :p

tdot.
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Nope! Not at all.

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Yes, I felt sorry for her.

A multi-millionaire yelling at a $30,000/year woman.
This.

At least now she is a little bit famous.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:54 PM
no, she sucks at her job and will face no penalty for it...... calling balls long, foot faults that arent foot faults. Its her job to look at the lines thats it and she cant get the calls right..... And then after reading what Serena said (it wasnt even that bad, BLOWN way out of proportion)

" I swear to god I feel like shoving this ball down your fucking throat" (its streaming on ESPN right now )she didnt even say she was going to do it...... Players have done and said much worse....

skanky~skanketta
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:56 PM
No. Obviously, because I like Serena, I'm interpreting the look on that woman's face to be smug. I felt like slapping her. Not for the call because she was right, but cuz of the way she complained.

TF Chipmunk
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:57 PM
She brought it onto herself, making a call like that at that juncture of the match, and the call was wrong too! Seriously Serena did not say anything threatening. I've heard/seen much worse from the likes of Azarenka at Wimbledon.

spiceboy
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:58 PM
Girl if it was me I would have slapped a bitch :p

Yeah, me too. And send her back to the ghetto, where she should have stayed. Who does she think she is? The f*cking Serena Williams? :rolleyes:

PatrickRyan
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:16 PM
Yeah, me too. And send her back to the ghetto, where she should have stayed. Who does she think she is? The f*cking Serena Williams?

My thoughts exactly!!!!!!!!!! :worship::worship::wavey::yeah: :hug:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::lol:

Dodoboy.
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:16 PM
I'd have thrown my racket at her, Serena is a better person than me i guess :lol:

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:18 PM
I'd have thrown my racket at her, Serena is a better person than me i guess :lol:

Exactly... lol Id have Lost my mind....... Racquets would have been thrown...not sure who it would have hit...:lol:

PatrickRyan
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:19 PM
I'd have thrown my racket at her, Serena is a better person than me i guess :lol:

You and me both :p

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:22 PM
I feel bad for her. She doing her job, calling her line, makes a call, gets a torrent of abuse hurled at her, threatened and intimidated. The umpire calls her over to ask her what was said, she answers. That's all she did.

The blame for this entire incident starts and ends with Serena Williams.

Even if it *was* a bad call, and that has not been conclusively proved one way or the other, humans make mistakes. To be sure it would have been a shocker of a mistake and if proven, one that should go on her record as a linejudge when her performance is evaluated.

And as for people who say footfaults shouldn't be called at this stage, are you serious? So now linejudges should use their own judgement as to whether to call what they think is a fault, depending on how close the match might be? So they should basically disadvantage the opponent by letting the player make faults, because the match is tight? How absolutely ridiculous.

thrust
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:25 PM
:lol: She was retarded to call it anyway. It's her own fault.

She was doing what she was put there to do. Serena is a much bigger athlete who could easily crush the little lines lady. I was scared for her as Serena was totally out of control.

joćo.
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:27 PM
:lol: She was retarded to call it anyway. It's her own fault.

This.

slamchamp
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:32 PM
no, she sucks at her job and will face no penalty for it...... calling balls long, foot faults that arent foot faults. Its her job to look at the lines thats it and she cant get the calls right..... And then after reading what Serena said (it wasnt even that bad, BLOWN way out of proportion)

" I swear to god I feel like shoving this ball down your fucking throat" (its streaming on ESPN right now )she didnt even say she was going to do it...... Players have done and said much worse....how do u know if it wans't a fotfault?? she was just doing her job:shrug:

TheAllan
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:33 PM
She brought it onto herself, making a call like that at that juncture of the match, and the call was wrong too!
So she should have allowed Serena to make an illegal serve - putting rules aside and Kim Clijsters at an disadvantage? Just to avoid getting cursed out. If you see a footfault, you call it. Doesn't matter if it's the first point or the match point. Or if the player is Roger Federer or some unknown junior player.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:36 PM
So she should have allowed Serena to make an illegal serve - putting rules aside and Kim Clijsters at an disadvantage? Just to avoid getting cursed out. If you see a footfault, you call it. Doesn't matter if it's the first point or the match point. Or if the player is Roger Federer or some wildcard in the juniors.

You dont play tennis obviously.... In most tournaments if a foot fault is called at that stage in a tournament the tournament judge referee will laugh at you and tell you to grow up.... Calls that late in a match are ridiculous.... Had Serena been called for footfaults in the first set......itd be a different story...

Wigglytuff
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:36 PM
What a stupid thread. She did her job for God's sake and Williams should be happy she didn't press charges against her.

for WHAT exactly? being black and pissed? is that a crime now.

Wigglytuff
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:37 PM
The lineswoman's career will be fine unless it can be proved she was maliciously and deliberately making an inaccurate call - and it won't be proved.

Marianna Alves still works - she even does Serena matches. This lineswoman's career will be no more in tatters than Alves's

yeah thats dead wrong they should not let women do serena matches.

skanky~skanketta
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:37 PM
I feel bad for her. She doing her job, calling her line, makes a call, gets a torrent of abuse hurled at her, threatened and intimidated. The umpire calls her over to ask her what was said, she answers. That's all she did.

The blame for this entire incident starts and ends with Serena Williams.

Even if it *was* a bad call, and that has not been conclusively proved one way or the other, humans make mistakes. To be sure it would have been a shocker of a mistake and if proven, one that should go on her record as a linejudge when her performance is evaluated.

And as for people who say footfaults shouldn't be called at this stage, are you serious? So now linejudges should use their own judgement as to whether to call what they think is a fault, depending on how close the match might be? So they should basically disadvantage the opponent by letting the player make faults, because the match is tight? How absolutely ridiculous.
Well, as difficult as it may be for you, try putting yourself in Serena's shoes. How many times does she have to face such crap? The fact is, nobody's sure whether it was truly a foot fault or not. But the facts that we do have is that a lot of umpires do a crap job when Serena's playing. Mariana Alves fucked up FOUR times during the Capriati-Serena match back in 2004 (including once when Capriati serve a double fault - proven by hawk-eye and she called it good). And there was the Justine hand incident. And the Maria Jose hand incident. Do you not think Serena would have thought "nah-uh, no way this is happening again".

What gets to me is that everybody's acting like Serena ALWAYS does this. Could not be further from the truth. She normally accepts things and moves on. I think all that pent up anger at the anti-Serenaness really got to her.

slamchamp
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:39 PM
You dont play tennis obviously.... In most tournaments if a foot fault is called at that stage in a tournament the tournament judge referee will laugh at you and tell you to grow up.... Calls that late in a match are ridiculous.... Had Serena been called for footfaults in the first set......itd be a different story...why?? it doesn't matter the moment of the match in they see a footfault anytime in the match they should call it, those are the rules

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:39 PM
yeah thats dead wrong they should not let women do serena matches.
I saw Alves do a Serena match these past few months - I specificially remember because I remember being very surprised by it, given the bad call at the Open in 04

Wigglytuff
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:40 PM
She made a stupid call and got what she deserved.

well said.

i do not feel sorry for her at ALL. she was the one that ruined the everything. i feel sorry for Kim, for the fans, for some of the other lines people who had to watch that display, i even feel sorry for Serena for getting so angry and letting it get to her and acting like she did. cause she has more sense than that. but that woman got better than she deserved.

barboza
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:41 PM
I felt bad for Serena's reaction towards her. She clearly said something along the lines of shoving the ball down her throat..

bAEEpRuO1Go

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:41 PM
Well, as difficult as it may be for you, try putting yourself in Serena's shoes. How many times does she have to face such crap? The fact is, nobody's sure whether it was truly a foot fault or not. But the facts that we do have is that a lot of umpires do a crap job when Serena's playing. Mariana Alves fucked up FOUR times during the Capriati-Serena match back in 2004 (including once when Capriati serve a double fault - proven by hawk-eye and she called it good). And there was the Justine hand incident. And the Maria Jose hand incident. Do you not think Serena would have thought "nah-uh, no way this is happening again".

What gets to me is that everybody's acting like Serena ALWAYS does this. Could not be further from the truth. She normally accepts things and moves on. I think all that pent up anger at the anti-Serenaness really got to her.

this.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:41 PM
No I do NOT feel bad for her. Serena was not going to follow through on any threats. It was the heat of the moment and she got too aggressive. I would have went off on her too. It's just that we usually see Serena composed in these situations. Glad she got it out of her system.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:42 PM
why?? it doesn't matter the moment of the match in they see a footfault anytime in the match they should call it, those are the rules

Its part of tennis etiquette.... Anyone who has actually played a tournament knows this......

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:42 PM
why?? it doesn't matter the moment of the match in they see a footfault anytime in the match they should call it, those are the rules

It is indeed over-officiating.

Randy H
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:42 PM
Maybe I'm from the old school, but that's just not how you want things to end, especially when it isn't glaringly obvious. At the same time, she is doing her job, so hopefully she gets employee of the month for following the "rules" since that foot fault was such a big one. :rolleyes:

Serena :smash: just keep it together next time please!

Serena Zvonereva McEnroe played horribly today. Upwards and onwards.

Should we tell the line judges to avoid calling a ball that was only a millimeter out too, because it was only barely out on such a close point?? :rolleyes:

The line judges have an obligation to do their job, regardless of what point it is in the match. Sometimes they make mistakes, but most of the time the stats show they are right. No one likes to see a match end on those terms, but the foot fault call did not end the match, Serena's anger did that. Serena chose to smash her racquet and get a warning, and then she chose to say something in the heat of the moment that resulted in a second violation, which meant a point penalty. People need to stop being so critical of the line judge here, she did nothing wrong.

.Andrew.
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:44 PM
I did feel bad for her, but she shouldn't be allowed a job at the US Open for years to come.

Wrong time to make such a call, stakes are too high.

Though I have to say, Serena's reaction was just priceless. :worship: :haha:

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:46 PM
Should we tell the line judges to avoid calling a ball that was only a millimeter out too, because it was only barely out on such a close point?? :rolleyes:

The line judges have an obligation to do their job, regardless of what point it is in the match. Sometimes they make mistakes, but most of the time the stats show they are right. No one likes to see a match end on those terms, but the foot fault call did not end the match, Serena's anger did that. Serena chose to smash her racquet and get a warning, and then she chose to say something in the heat of the moment that resulted in a second violation, which meant a point penalty. People need to stop being so critical of the line judge here, she did nothing wrong.
In your opinion. That's fine. I think Serena is ultimately the one at fault for her loss which is why she wasn't bitching and moaning when she got kicked out.

However, this does not mean the line judge made the best decision at that moment. I still don't think it was a foot fault. BAD call which lead everything to transpire from that point.

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:47 PM
I think Serena felt like "no way they're going to do this again not after ,The Hand, FO 09 , USO 04 " and she lashed out

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:48 PM
I felt bad for Serena's reaction towards her. She clearly said something along the lines of shoving the ball down her throat..

bAEEpRuO1Go

What Serena said it is streaming on ESPN

"I Swear to GOD, I feel like shoving this ball down your fucking throat. you are a liar. fucking liar." sometihng else with fuck in it which i missed. then she ended with her standard "you don't know me"

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:48 PM
What I can't get over is how many people think linejudges should decide whether or not to make a call, regardless of what they see, because of the point of the match they're at.

Think it through for a moment. IF you see a footfault on second serve but don't call it, you are disadvantaging that player's opponent - you're basically allowing a fault to be called good so the opponent, who should have been awarded a point due to double fault, instead might lose the point. How is this fairer?

And how exactly do they determine when they should or should not decide to make the call? Well...I can call it on 15-0 or 15-15 but not 15-30 or 15-40 or 30-40....or not when it's 4-4 or 5-5 in the set, or when it's a tiebreak. It's ridiculous. Different linejudges would have different interpretations of when to make the call or not.

No, the only way that is fair to all players is to call it as you see it and pay no attention whatever to the score. And if you don't want to be called footfault when serving to stay in the match, watch where you put your feet and don't fucking footfault in the first place.

cellophane
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:49 PM
I think she should know that she will have crap thrown at her... it comes with the job, especially when she does a poor job.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:49 PM
What Serena said it is streaming on ESPN

"I Swear to GOD, I feel like shoving this ball down your fucking throat. you are a liar. fucking liar." sometihng else with fuck in it which i missed. then she ended with her standard "you don't know me"

:rolls:
Ree :hug:

TheAllan
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:50 PM
Its part of tennis etiquette.... Anyone who has actually played a tournament knows this......
We are talking about a semifinal in the US Open. A player should expect the rules to be enforced at this level. It has happened before on crucial points in big tournaments.

barboza
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:50 PM
What Serena said it is streaming on ESPN

"I Swear to GOD, I feel like shoving this ball down your fucking throat. you are a liar. fucking liar." sometihng else with fuck in it which i missed. then she ended with her standard "you don't know me"

Link?

Tennis Ball
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:51 PM
Me. Plus the fact Serena fans are blaming her instead of Serena.

DragonFlame
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:52 PM
Calls that late in a match are ridiculous.... Had Serena been called for footfaults in the first set......itd be a different story...

Rules are rules, if the lineswoman saw what she called, she“s right in doing so, in any moment of the match. If that serve had been an ace, how cheated would clijsters feel? It's sorry this had to happen at this moment late in the match, but what is is. You seem to be forgetting Serena had been called on footfault in the first set already.(as well as earlier in the tournament) The linesman was just doing her job.

Randy H
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:54 PM
In your opinion. That's fine. I think Serena is ultimately the one at fault for her loss which is why she wasn't bitching and moaning when she got kicked out.

However, this does not mean the line judge made the best decision at that moment. I still don't think it was a foot fault. BAD call which lead everything to transpire from that point.

The line judge made a call based upon what she saw. If she thought she saw the foot touching the line by even a fraction, her job is to call that, regardless of the point. The foot touching by a fraction, is no different than seeing a 120mph serve touch the line by a fraction, your duty is to make the call, that's why you are there.

I think it would be a good idea to add foot faulting to the hawk eye challenge system though, I am sure that they could implement that somehow...

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:56 PM
Link?

go to ESPN look at the bottom wait for the Tennis to run and after it says Kim def Williams it say the first part of what Serena said... The you are a Liar a Fucking liar part I picked up from the video.... as well as the standard "you dont know me",

Mynarco
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:57 PM
WOW. I'm surprised more people are defending for Serena :o
hello? Who didn't make bad calls? Is it really justified to be shouted at? Are the linesmen deserved to be shouted at?

maybe it's a little bit far-fetched. If the lady isn't asian(she looks asian to me), if she's black or white..what do you guyz think?

pascal77
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:57 PM
I am so supportive of Serena, hoping that she could win her 12th slam. But that linewoman just did what she was asked to do . If she saw that foot fault, there was no reason that she didnt call it out. You guys are so mean to this poor woman, but since when liner shoulnt call the footfault at the a crucial point.Besides, i dont think this Asian woman was scared, she was pretty calm and peaceful when appallingly scolded by Serena. Obviously she was trained and professional enough to handle a situation like this.

Mynarco
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:00 PM
I am so surprised Serena failed to keep the composure. I thought she would think "uh, who cares, I would boom two aces to save 2 MPs"...but :eek: THIS.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:01 PM
WOW. I'm surprised more people are defending for Serena :o
hello? Who didn't make bad calls? Is it really justified to be shouted at? Are the linesmen deserved to be shouted at?

maybe it's a little bit far-fetched. If the lady isn't asian(she looks asian to me), if she's black or white..what do you guyz think?

Serena didnt really threaten her though... she yelled at her same as anyone else... Its a hazard of the job.....

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:01 PM
What people don't understand is that Serena reached her breaking point. She was just frustrated in the heat of battle and probably fed up with taking bad calls. So this if for all of the times she should have went off!

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:02 PM
WOW. I'm surprised more people are defending for Serena :o
hello? Who didn't make bad calls? Is it really justified to be shouted at? Are the linesmen deserved to be shouted at?

Yes, if they are idiots.

thegreendestiny
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:02 PM
I only felt bad for her when Serena was shouting at her after for the second time when she was returning to her seat. I thought, Serena went too far then.

slamchamp
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:04 PM
at the least the lady has a nice story to tell to her grandchildren...I was threatened by serena williams:lol:

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:06 PM
I don't know why anyone should feel for that old hack when she was smiling when leaving the court completely satisfied with what she did.

Sean.
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:08 PM
Yes, I do. She was just doing her job & will now likely not be allowed to line judge again. Serena was out of order, whatever she said.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:08 PM
I don't know why anyone should feel for that old hack when she was smiling when leaving the court completely satisfied with what she did.

Was she?
Glad I missed that.

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:10 PM
Was she?
Glad I missed that.

yes she was

TheAllan
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:10 PM
I don't know why anyone should feel for that old hack when she was smiling when leaving the court completely satisfied with what she did.
Some people smile as a defensive mechanism. Looked like a nervous smile to me. Maybe trying to show some confidence after suddenly being put on the spot (in a negative way) in front of a big crowd and a global tv audience. It's silly to blame her for that.

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:10 PM
I feel sorry for her. She's my new authority in tennis, really. It was so brave what she did. She's my hero now. :sobbing:

b_o_r
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:10 PM
We shouldn't even know who the lineperson is if she was doing a good job. The line calling was terrible throughout the US Open series and has been thru the slam as well. I've never seen so many footfault called thru a tourney (men's and women's).
Remember Serena was called for a footfault earlier and shrugged it off because it was an obvious call.

GogoGirl
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:13 PM
Hey All,

The linesperson should be shown the tape - and asked WHY she called a foot fault on Serena. I saw it and Serena did not foot fault. John McEnroe pointed it out as soon as they showed the replay of that serve. It is scandalous that this woman made a bad, unjustifiable and erroneous call. She erred on the side of CHEAT. I don't care how one looks at it - she was out of LINE.

We know that Serena was the inspiration for the challenge system because of her US Open match w/Jennifer years ago. We also remember the hand thing, the ball hitting her opponent and her not owning up to it and so on. Brian Early will have seen the tape by now - and he shouldn't want the WTA to be aligned with linespersons and umpires that would give the appearance that they support and accept cheats. That woman was intentionally trying to discredit and rob Serena, give her opponent two match points and rattle Serena. She should be seriously reprimanded or fired.

No one can convince me that many many folks aren't wondering why anyone would support such a bad call at such a cruicial time as the one that was stolen from Serena which was a second serve point. Please! Surely, someone(s) (Brian for one) looked at the tape and saw that Serena didn't foot fault. I mean, this is the US Open! Serena is the defending CHAMPION! She should have been afforded more respect - and I don't care how anyone looks at it. Is that the only way some officials think the sisters can be beat now, by their calling foot faults on them more than they call it on the other players - and picking and choosing when to call them, seeing that that entire debacle of a call can't be challenged? I mean really! This burns me all the way up.

Serena lost her head - and really didn't have to go there - but she was upset - because she knew the woman was lying and cheating her. I found the word Serena used as an adjective to be very displeasing and unpleasant to me, but I've said the same thing to folks here. Keep the F word out of your vocab. The word takes the place of and stands in for nothing. It never has anything to do with the point some are trying to make when using it. It sucks big toe nails.

Again, this woman affected one of the biggest tennis matches to be held this year. She could have very well affected his/her-story (Serena's). Serena came back on Kim in Aussie at least once in a slam (and won it all) - and she came back from match point down at the last slam - so we all know she could have held her serve and came ALL the way back. By that point it mattered not how Kim was playing. I can't believe some are punking out by stating that Kim deserved the match. I'll be fryed if she did. The one standing there with the win at the END of the match deserves the win. We'll never know if Serena could have turned it around - but what we DO KNOW is that she has done so several times. Has Kim ever beaten Serena at a slam other than last nite?

This incident is not over - in more ways than one, sadly. Serena may be fined - and she should apologize for her curse word (that nasty word), and the lineswoman should be reprimanded and/or fired. She held too much power in that moment and she cheated w/it. This just may mean that the other foot fault called on Serena at this tourney was a LIE too. It might also mean that foot faults will soon enough be able to be challenged. Why have the challenge on balls being in or out and not foot faults. Many players challenge to see if their first serve was in. The same principle holds true with the first foot fault called against a player. What is the difference?

Those challenging are basically saying - "I don't agree w/the call." I would like to have another lookie here - please." They are not trusting the linesperson - and sadly these days - most umpires. They messed up last night, because a lot of folks are going to look at this w/suspicion. They are wondering if that woman intentionally cheated and thereby affected the match - whether or not some thought a foot fault should never be called period at such a juncture in such an important match. Just let the players play some will say.

But it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than that. It is about Serena Willimas being cheated on again in another Grand Slam match - IMO. Bad serve.

Aaric
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:14 PM
Mariana Alves :rocker:
Latin power :hearts:

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:14 PM
If John McEnroe was viewing the same replays that I saw then he should know that that is a terrible angle to view a footfault replay from and that it's impossible to make any accurate determination from that position on a close call.

The linejudge had the best possible view. Nobody has shown us a replay yet of the view she had of it and what that looked like.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:18 PM
She is so disrespectful, :o I used to support her when people would bash her here but not after this, it is beyond rude and ignorant.

Mynarco
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:21 PM
I don't know why anyone should feel for that old hack when she was smiling when leaving the court completely satisfied with what she did.

ok, should the lady cry like a baby on the floor? She did the right thing after being pointed+shouted at by a player.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:21 PM
Serena was so aggressive it was scary, Azarenka at Wimbledon swore but her actions weren't so aggressive. Serena was like a pitbull dog :o

Slutiana
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:22 PM
I feel sorry for her. She's my new authority in tennis, really. It was so brave what she did. She's my hero now. :sobbing:

Your avy just made me LOL. :hysteric:


The bitch is smiling. :o

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:25 PM
I feel sorry for her.

Not to the point that I want to write her letters of sympathy.

I expect she'll live.

GogoGirl
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:28 PM
Serena herself said that she thought she foot-faulted.

All,

No - she didn't. She said that she must have if the linesperson said she did. She was being safe and a little cheeky. Surely, she and her family have talked about this incident right after it happened and since - and they probably realized that last night it was best to say it. I must have if she says so by this point - when in actuality - the tape showed that SHE didn't. How would Serena have known that she did? She wasn't looking at her feet. She was looking up. And that is why she got upset - because she felt that she hadn't. By now, they know the real deal and that she was cheated. There was no good reason for that linesperson to make such a bogus call. The truth stands tall by itself. Angles - smangles. I saw it myself. I mentioned John - because - get it - he PUT IT OUT THERE in the universe and to the viewing audience. Period!

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:29 PM
The only person i feel sorry for is Kim. Her fantastic run was overshadowed by this fiasco.

Both Serena and the linesperson knew there were consequences to their actions.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:29 PM
All,

No - she didn't. She said that she must have if the linesperson said she did. She was being safe and a little cheeky. Surely, she and her family have talked about this incident right after it happened and since - and they probably realized that last night it was best to say it. I must have if she says so by this point - when in actuality - the tape showed that SHE didn't. How would Serena have known that she did? She wasn't looking at her feet. She was looking up. And that is why she got upset - because she knew she didn't. By now, they know the real deal and that she was cheated. There was no good reason for that linesperson to make such a bogus call. The truth stands tall by itself. Angles - smangles. I saw it myself. I mentioned John - because - get it - he PUT IT OUT THERE in the universe and to the viewing audience. Period!
How would Serena have known that she did? She wasn't looking at her feet. She was looking up. And that is why she got upset - because she knew she didn't.

How would she know that she didn't then? If she couldn't have know that she did, it also follows that she couldn't have know that she didn't.

Do they not teach logic in school anymore?

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:30 PM
How would Serena have known that she did? She wasn't looking at her feet. She was looking up. And that is why she got upset - because she knew she didn't.

How would she know that she didn't then? If she couldn't have know that she did, it also follows that she couldn't have know that she didn't.

Do they not teach logic in school anymore?

When did she argue she didn't footfault?

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:31 PM
WOW. I'm surprised more people are defending for Serena :o
hello? Who didn't make bad calls? Is it really justified to be shouted at? Are the linesmen deserved to be shouted at?

maybe it's a little bit far-fetched. If the lady isn't asian(she looks asian to me), if she's black or white..what do you guyz think?

okay would someone please explain to me what the hell this has got to do with anything?

KournikovaFan91
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:31 PM
Yeah I hate when players argue a foot fault since they can't actually see their feet.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:32 PM
When did she argue she didn't footfault?
i'm quoting the previous poster saying she got upset because she knew she didn't when he just said she was looking up so how would she know if she did.

i'm not talking about her arguing about it. Where did I say that?

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:33 PM
This is what you guys said in 2004 when Mariana Alves made that horrid overrule. Keep dreaming guys, the world doesn't evolve around Serena :lol:

Justin SW
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:35 PM
I,m soooo not racist. Whats the point to call a foot fault at 15-30 and 5-6. Also the lines person made like 5 mistakes in the first set itself all in Kim's favor :shrug:

Justin SW
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:36 PM
and yes shes chinese, and yes shes a Jerk ;)

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:36 PM
This is what you guys said in 2004 when Mariana Alves made that horrid overrule. Keep dreaming guys, the world doesn't evolve around Serena :lol:

*revolve

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:37 PM
I,m soooo not racist. Whats the point to call a foot fault at 15-30 and 5-6. Also the lines person made like 5 mistakes in the first set itself all in Kim's favor :shrug:

You soooo are. Or you wouldn't be mentioning her race with the insult, trash.

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:37 PM
i'm quoting the previous poster saying she got upset because she knew she didn't when he just said she was looking up so how would she know if she did.

i'm not talking about her arguing about it. Where did I say that?

Ahh, sorry. I didn't see the message you had quoted.

Justin SW
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:37 PM
Ok say what you want :angel: God Bless You :angel:

Tennis Ball
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:38 PM
Hopefully not. She did her job, calling a foot fault despite the circumstances is called being objective. Tennis is an exact sport. The ball is in or out, in or over the net, DF or not, ace or not, winner or not, UE or not (well, not always a sharp line here). Avoiding a foot fault like any other UE is all in the game.
It's been happened before, with Xavier Malisse f.i, losing big points by FFs.
You don't say: well considering the importance of the moment, let's not reckon this or that DF f.i., let the players genuinly fight for the point and play a rally, so player you get an extra serve!
No difference for a FF, at second serve in this case.

But a player should definately be able to challenge a called foot fault, like any other points. So please organisers, make this possible ASAP!!

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:38 PM
What if I said Serena the black jerk. Yes she's black and yes she's a jerk.

Chinese isn't a race, nor is it a proper ethnicity (according to the PRC). It's a nationality. It'd be similar to calling Serena an American jerk-- which has been been said on this board NUMEROUS times.

Justin SW
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:39 PM
What if I said Serena the black jerk. Yes she's black and yes she's a jerk.

I didnt say Serena didnt deserve to lose. She played badly and said things unnaceptable. The point is, you have to be a Jerk to call such a non-footfault. You can say that of Serena if you want btw ;)

pascal77
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:39 PM
That Chinese Jerk ... No :angel:

yeah, a chinese jerk made an idiot like you out:o, i am so happy to see that.:p:devil:

Noctis
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:39 PM
I Feel bad someone didnt rugsack her and dump her back to her retire home.
who let her out :rolleyes:

disco_rage
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:41 PM
Bottom line is.... No one deserves to be threatened when they are just doing their job.

Whether the call was right or wrong, doesn't matter.

I like Serena and i didn't want the match to end the way it did.. but the referres did not have a choice, after Serena went off on one.

Noctis
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:42 PM
did someone tell you she snuck out of a retirement home?

nhissan
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:43 PM
I did feel bad for her, but she shouldn't be allowed a job at the US Open for years to come.

Wrong time to make such a call, stakes are too high.

Though I have to say, Serena's reaction was just priceless. :worship: :haha:

lol I agree Serena overeacted but the line judge is clearly doing a poor job I hope we won't see her anymore.

markdelaney
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:45 PM
No. Obviously, because I like Serena, I'm interpreting the look on that woman's face to be smug. I felt like slapping her. Not for the call because she was right, but cuz of the way she complained.

she didn't complain, she was called to the chair by the umpire and asked to repeat what was said

KournikovaFan91
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:46 PM
Line judges regularly make wrong calls, hence hawkeye, she shouldn't be saked over this also it isn't confirmed if the call was wrong.

Justin SW
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:46 PM
yeah, a chinese jerk made an idiot like you out:o, i am so happy to see that.:p:devil:

Don't get me wrong. I love Chinese. I like the chinese culture. I actually went to China this year. It was amazing :eek:
Whatever, this was not adress to Chinese whatsoever. That woman was a jerk as much as Serena's word were jerks ;)

lurker
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:48 PM
Nope, not sorry. I saw the smug smile after the foot fault call. Just awful. To her credit, it did look like she was reluctant to go up to the chair and tattle, but the chair was asking her to come up. She didn't look frightened at all.

While she was right to do her job if it was a foot fault, she could have shown a little discretion. If she wouldn't have chosen to tattle (looks like she would not have gotten up if the chair hadn't called) then why choose to call a foot fault on such a big point?

moby
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Chinese isn't a race, nor is it a proper ethnicity (according to the PRC). It's a nationality. It'd be similar to calling Serena an American jerk-- which has been been said on this board NUMEROUS times.Sorry, but who cares what the PRC's stance is? "Han Chinese" is the ethnicity (and on many levels race and ethnicity overlap), but it's the dominant group so much so that people have simply refer to "Han" as just "Chinese".

So "Chink", an etymological derivative of China, or Qing, is no longer a racist slur?

miffedmax
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Try officiating juniors and making--or not making--a call against somebody's little darling.

It's enough to make Lena's bangs stand on end. The old line about the heat and the kitchen applies to officials, too.

Optima
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:51 PM
Yes, what Serena did was scary.

:shrug:

sasha&tennis
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:55 PM
I don't feel sorry for her because it appeared to be a really bad call at the wrong point of the match and Serena got penalized while she smiles doing the complaint and loses nothing.

RYNJ
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:56 PM
People saying that serena foot faulting puts kim at a disadvantage is completely BS. Serena was 100% not serving and volleying, that is the only way you would have an advantage in foot faulting. I am a tennis fan first, but I do believe that in that late in the stages, kim playing well enough to win on her own, she should not have called it. I would have gone crazy too. Its a shame because I will bet anyone that this happens all the time, but people say it in different languages and it doesn't get caught.

Kworb
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:58 PM
Yes I feel bad. She was just doing her job. She sat there specifically looking for foot faults and she saw one and called it. Now people are ripping into her for "ruining" an exciting conclusion of the match. What's next? On match point balls that are barely out should be called in because it makes the last points better and more exciting?

-VSR-
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:58 PM
Make a horrible call = gets bitched out. :worship:

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 PM
The chair umpire did appreciate it. It was Engzell who encouraged that incompetent hack to keep whining.
Imo, the negative role of Engzell in this match is overlooked.


I agree. Shame on these incompetent lineswomen and umpire who are actually doing their job! And that even against Serena :eek:

pascal77
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:04 PM
Some rena's fans kept saying that lineswoman did it on purpose, but the problem is, similar to Serena as the colored race,why she should conspire to make Serena out? logically, this is imossible. it looks more logical for her to help Serena but not stop her from winning this match.

Mynarco
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:09 PM
Make a horrible call = gets bitched out. :worship:

but there should be a limit. shouting at the line judge + pointing the racket at her + intimidating her is cleary over the top.

Paneru
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:11 PM
but there should be a limit. shouting at the line judge + pointing the racket at her + intimidating her is cleary over the top.

Macenroe
Roddick
others?

They made some news but to look at this board,
Serena is the devil incarnate.

thelittlestelf
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:12 PM
Not really. It was a ridiculous call and, although Serena went overboard, the lineswoman was clearly abusing her power.

LoveFifteen
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Her career is in tatters?! More like her unpaid internship!

Line judges don't travel from tournament to tournament. This isn't a career.

archie4
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:17 PM
Even if she made the wrong call (which very well may have happened), she didn't deserve the verbal attacks from Serena. The call was at a very bad time, but Serena was out of line with her comments and needs to apologise ASAP.

Vartan
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:19 PM
Serena fans who are accusing he lineswoman are disgusting.

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:19 PM
Her career is in tatters?! More like her unpaid internship!

Line judges don't travel from tournament to tournament. This isn't a career.

they do within the US. and as I said in this thread, to g et to the US OPen is VERY difficult and a career in itself.

Just Do It
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:20 PM
No :lol:

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:21 PM
What irks me is that it has not even been PROVEN to be a fucking foot fault!!! If it was a foot fault, then how come it isn't as obvious as everyone makes it seem? If it's unclear, you have to give the benefit of the doubt. I don't know what that bitch saw :lol:.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:22 PM
This is what you guys said in 2004 when Mariana Alves made that horrid overrule. Keep dreaming guys, the world doesn't evolve around Serena :lol:

Oh am I also dreaming that a challenge system was put in place largely because of that 04 match? This could also lead to perfecting the game by allowing players to challenge foot faults or something.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Well Mariana Alves is still working after a MASSIVE mistake which was so clear, why would this minor foot fault cost this womans career.

But I do love Mariana.

RFSTB
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:23 PM
This linesperson should be fired. Unless it was absolutely clear, you simply do not call at this juncture of the game.

KournikovaFan91
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:25 PM
I hate that Bullshit about how that point was any different to the first point.

Bitch shouldn't foot fault at any point end of.

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Yes, if they are idiots.


You're geting better with each post :rolls:

Trolling behaviour I'd call that. :D

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:27 PM
Talk about inconsistent calls. Just saw the serve before that one, and it was the same serve and foot movements. If that one was a foot fault then the one before it should have been one as well. Too inconsistent for my liking, and in either serve her foot doesn't clearly touch any part of the line. Bogus.

Petkorazzi
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:27 PM
No.

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:28 PM
You're geting better with each post :rolls:

Trolling behaviour I'd call that. :D

what do u think of what's happened ? I didn't see if you posted or not

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:29 PM
Some rena's fans kept saying that lineswoman did it on purpose, but the problem is, similar to Serena as the colored race,why she should conspire to make Serena out? logically, this is imossible. it looks more logical for her to help Serena but not stop her from winning this match.

shut up.seriously, shut the fuck up.

Joana
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:31 PM
Have people seen too many courtroom dramas or what?
The linespeople don't have to prove anything. Once they make a decision, it stands, unless the hawkeye is available. And that's it. It's not a trial. Nobody is obliged to present the evidence.

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:34 PM
Have people seen too many courtroom dramas or what?
The linespeople don't have to prove anything. Once they make a decision, it stands, unless the hawkeye is available. And that's it. It's not a trial. Nobody is obliged to present the evidence.

A year later, the American lost a hotly contested quarter-final with compatriot Jennifer Capriati at the US Open after being on the receiving end of several bad line calls.

The incident led to umpire Mariana Alves, who made an incorrect overrule, being removed from officiating duties from the championships that year while US Open officials apologised to Williams.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/13092009/58/open-mcenroe-serena-hell-broke-loose.html

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:35 PM
Macenroe
Roddick
others?

They made some news but to look at this board,
Serena is the devil incarnate.



Well, this forum is about women's tennis so it's quite logical that you won't hear much about McEnroe or Roddick. Hewitt made quite a lot of news in Germany with his "race comments". McEnroe? Well he's retired for years already. Roddick? Everyone should know by now that he rivals Serena in those classless things...

matty
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:35 PM
Not at all---stupid call from a stupid person.

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Have people seen too many courtroom dramas or what?
The linespeople don't have to prove anything. Once they make a decision, it stands, unless the hawkeye is available. And that's it. It's not a trial. Nobody is obliged to present the evidence.
So anyone can make any old bullshit call and it should stand...I hear you :tape:

But you're right...since i'm a lawyer I prefer to deal with hard evidence :lol:. I think it's crazy that challenge is available for everything BUT footfaults :spit:.

ChampLindsay
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:36 PM
BTW someone said her name is Marianna Alves.:scratch:

Steff_forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:37 PM
First of all, that line judge did her job. If she sees a foot fault she should call it, no matter who's playing or what point in the match.
Second of all, although the timing of that foot fault was very unfortunate, Serena reacted so dreadfully and unprofessionally that she lost the match on her second unprofessional conduct of that match. That's also clearly stated in tennis rules. You can show som degree of frustration towards a line judge (that happens a lot), but you can't tell them you want to shove a f... ball in their f... throat and wave your racket in their faces! That's just not done and it deserved a warning. The second one, so Serena gets a point penalty and loses the match. If you ask me, Serena did that all to herself and she deserved what she got. It's as simple as that.

And to all those people stating that there is some kind of conspiracy between WTA and/or ITF officials to make fake fault calls whenever Venus or Serena are playing: get a life! I'm sure there are UFO's flying over your backyard as we speak.

Last but not least: Serena should own up to what she did and appologize for it. Any decent human being with some kind of conscience would consider that the right thing to do.

That doesn't take anything away from the fact that Serena is a fantastic tennis player who deserves respect for that. It would only be nice if she herself would show some respect too in this matter.
nice 4th post :yeah:
waiting for more

Joe.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:37 PM
yeah i felt well sorry for her :hug:

matty
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Not really. It was a ridiculous call and, although Serena went overboard, the lineswoman was clearly abusing her power.

Toatally agree. Serena had a lot at stake. That lineslady was power-tripping.

Joana
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:38 PM
As I said, unless the hawkeye is available. Or the TV replay shows the decision was clearly wrong. Which doesn't apply to this case as hawkeye is not used in such cases and the video is inconclusive at best.
The lineswoman doesn't have anything to prove. If anything, it has to be proven she's wrong. Which hasn't been done so far.

sasha&tennis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:39 PM
It should be. No one wants a person like her calling a match especially after knowing how bad her judgment is. She should be removed for good from professional tennis.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:39 PM
First of all, that line judge did her job. If she sees a foot fault she should call it, no matter who's playing or what point in the match.
Second of all, although the timing of that foot fault was very unfortunate, Serena reacted so dreadfully and unprofessionally that she lost the match on her second unprofessional conduct of that match. That's also clearly stated in tennis rules. You can show som degree of frustration towards a line judge (that happens a lot), but you can't tell them you want to shove a f... ball in their f... throat and wave your racket in their faces! That's just not done and it deserved a warning. The second one, so Serena gets a point penalty and loses the match. If you ask me, Serena did that all to herself and she deserved what she got. It's as simple as that.

And to all those people stating that there is some kind of conspiracy between WTA and/or ITF officials to make fake fault calls whenever Venus or Serena are playing: get a life! I'm sure there are UFO's flying over your backyard as we speak.

Last but not least: Serena should own up to what she did and appologize for it. Any decent human being with some kind of conscience would consider that the right thing to do.

That doesn't take anything away from the fact that Serena is a fantastic tennis player who deserves respect for that. It would only be nice if she herself would show some respect too in this matter.
this.

LindsayRulz
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:40 PM
She did the right thing. You need to call the footfaults no matter what the score is. :shrug:

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:43 PM
She did the right thing. You need to call the footfaults no matter what the score is. :shrug:
I agree with this...no matter what the score a footfault should be called!!! But did the footfault that was called take place? That's the point of contention for most people as far as I see it.

sasha&tennis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:43 PM
As I said, unless the hawkeye is available. Or the TV replay shows the decision was clearly wrong. Which doesn't apply to this case as hawkeye is not used in such cases and the video is inconclusive at best.
The lineswoman doesn't have anything to prove. If anything, it has to be proven she's wrong. Which hasn't been done so far.

For that matter it has not been proven that she is right either. So Serena has a valid point when she questions a call that cannot be proven either way. But when you look at the video footage it did not look like a foot fault so that automatically sets off a red flag that this woman made a bad call at a very crucial time in a match.

franny
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:43 PM
If she shouted 'foot fault' that means she saw the foot fault. Doesn't matter what everyone else saw. It happens a lot in other sports too. It's part of the game. That's why they put the linesmen there in the first place.

Right . . . if Mariana Alves called that ball out, she saw it out right? I don't think so. Things aren't so black and white. One does not just call a foot fault at that junction of the match when it isn't even obvious unless one is personally hoping for it. I'm not trying to excuse Serena's action. She should not have done it, and the results of her action was 100% correct. But this lineswoman is either just awful and completely biased, or she needs to get her eyes check. Homegirl be imagining shit.

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:43 PM
What irks me is that it has not even been PROVEN to be a fucking foot fault!!! If it was a foot fault, then how come it isn't as obvious as everyone makes it seem? If it's unclear, you have to give the benefit of the doubt. I don't know what that bitch saw :lol:.


Yeah, that's exactly the point. We don't know what the lineswoman saw, but I think it should be crystal that from her angle and view she should know much better than we who only had that f*cked up tv camera angle. If the lineswoman thought that from her angle it is clear that it was a double fault then she should call it like that. That's why is standing there near that baseline and doing her job.

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:45 PM
Well the USTA are reviewing it now, hopefully they'll tell us something when they have the evidence.

TheAllan
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:47 PM
Toatally agree. Serena had a lot at stake. That lineslady was power-tripping.
If she sees it, she has to call it. She can't take all those things into consideration. It's not her problem that Serena is down 5-6 15-30 and on second serve.

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:47 PM
Yeah, that's exactly the point. We don't know what the lineswoman saw, but I think it should be crystal that from her angle and view she should know much better than we who only had that f*cked up tv camera angle. If the lineswoman thought that from her angle it is clear that it was a double fault then she should call it like that. That's why is standing there near that baseline and doing her job.
And we all know the line judges are NEVER wrong and are incapable of errors in judgement :rolleyes:.

debby
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:49 PM
:weirdo: @ the Serena fans who are angry after the lineswoman, she was only doing her job, she has the right to be wrong, and despite that, i think she has much better judgements than we since she is a lineswoman, she has a better angle, and we are in front of the tv, very easy to judge her... go there doing her job please.

And rules are rules, if it was in favour for Serena, you would not be whining there :rolleyes:

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM
:weirdo: @ the Serena fans who are angry after the lineswoman, she was only doing her job, she has the right to be wrong, and despite that, i think she has much better judgements than we since she is a lineswoman, she has a better angle, and we are in front of the tv, very easy to judge her... go there doing her job please.

And rules are rules, if it was in favour for Serena, you would not be whining there :rolleyes:

Indeed. They need to get over it and enjoy the final :drool:

debby
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM
And we all know the line judges are NEVER wrong and are incapable of errors in judgement :rolleyes:.


Please, it was very hard to judge that, and even Serena admitted that, if she was shouting all over the place after the lineswoman but changed her mind during the interview, that's because she saw a replay of her footfault before the itw, me thinks...

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:51 PM
And we all know the line judges are NEVER wrong and are incapable of errors in judgement :rolleyes:.


Mistakes are happening all the time. That's life :shrug:
But the point is that the linewoman knows better than you or me if it was a double fault or not.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:51 PM
If she sees it, she has to call it. She can't take all those things into consideration. It's not her problem that Serena is down 5-6 15-30 and on second serve.
A lot of people seem to think an American linejudge should influence the match in favour of an American player with her calls.

Sure is an interesting point of view.

phelbyn
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:51 PM
:lol: She was retarded to call it anyway. It's her own fault.

Very ignorant to say: Her job is to call foot faults. As they so rarely happen, it must have been legitimate. Think about it: She's not a moron... she would have known that she would have suffered great backlash for calling it out at that moment! HOWEVER!!!!! If she saw it, then she saw it. Amazing how people attack her for following the rules of the game.

AS amazing as Serena and Kim were playing, Serena over reacted. The timing of the call is horrendously unfortunate... for both players... Serena still could have come back.... Kim probably would have prefered to legitimately beaten Serena.

Suck it up people: she did her job, and was verbally attacked. There's nothing in tennis that says a player can act that inappropriately towards anyone ever.

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:52 PM
:weirdo: @ the Serena fans who are angry after the lineswoman, she was only doing her job, she has the right to be wrong, and despite that, i think she has much better judgements than we since she is a lineswoman, she has a better angle, and we are in front of the tv, very easy to judge her... go there doing her job please.

And rules are rules, if it was in favour for Serena, you would not be whining there :rolleyes:
Dumbass...the mere fact that there's all this contention around the call is an indicator that it's not as clear-cut as you make it sound. And if she's doing her job, she has a right to ensure that she's doing a pretty good one...

SelesFan70
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:53 PM
Line judges will be replaced by technology in probably 4-6 years.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:54 PM
Line judges will be replaced by technology in probably 4-6 years.

wont happen
cos umpires all start as linejudges and progress upwards.

might as well as have players using Wii then.

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Very ignorant to say: Her job is to call foot faults. As they so rarely happen, it must have been legitimate. Think about it: She's not a moron... she would have known that she would have suffered great backlash for calling it out at that moment! HOWEVER!!!!! If she saw it, then she saw it. Amazing how people attack her for following the rules of the game.

AS amazing as Serena and Kim were playing, Serena over reacted. The timing of the call is horrendously unfortunate... for both players... Serena still could have come back.... Kim probably would have prefered to legitimately beaten Serena.

Suck it up people: she did her job, and was verbally attacked. There's nothing in tennis that says a player can act that inappropriately towards anyone ever.

On the contrary, I think that most line judges simply "look the other way" to foot faults, and for whatever reason, the line judges at this year's USO went footfault happy. I never recall seeing so many foot faults at one event.

phelbyn
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Toatally agree. Serena had a lot at stake. That lineslady was power-tripping.

Ridiculous! Power-tripping? Do people seriously believe that it was the linesperson's goal to become the most despised and hated linesperson ever? People honestly think she called it intentionally? Imagine if you were the linesperson.... if you saw a fault, you would have to call it. I'd argue that they don't pay attention to who the players are or what the score is. They need to be above all of that. They need to be unbias, as they do have a role that CAN alter the outcome of a game. You acuse her of power-tripping... you acuse the US Open of hiring a bias person. I'd think a professional association knows how to pick the people that work for them.

Serena lost in the most unfortunate way I've ever seen. Regardless of the score, the timing, the type of fault... it's the rules of the game.

debby
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Dumbass...the mere fact that there's all this contention around the call is an indicator that it's not as clear-cut as you make it sound. And if she's doing her job, she has a right to ensure that she's doing a pretty good one...

Please, go take her place, if you are that good. :tape: If there is an argument, it is because of Serena who complained yesterday. It happened in a Grand Slam semifinal !

BTW very class to call me dumbass :kiss:

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:56 PM
On the contrary, I think that most line judges simply "look the other way" to foot faults, and for whatever reason, the line judges at this year's USO went footfault happy. I never recall seeing so many foot faults at one event.
you must miss the Aussie Open every year then - they always go mad on footfaults down there.

Steff_forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:56 PM
The poor linesjudge was the only one looking at Serena ’s left foot and she has been exercised to watch if the front part of her foot is crossing the line while executing the serve before hitting the ball (what you can hear). So she saw it, we all didn't.

Anyone who says the lineswoman was wrong must have been closer than her are having a better point of view with a taped video. No one offered such a proof, yet.

hope the lady is at the USO next yr...

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 PM
A lot of people seem to think an American linejudge should influence the match in favour of an American player with her calls.

Sure is an interesting point of view.

The NBA has been being criticized for years for over officiating in matches for nonsense exactly like this. This isn't simply a case of American favoritism.

phelbyn
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 PM
On the contrary, I think that most line judges simply "look the other way" to foot faults, and for whatever reason, the line judges at this year's USO went footfault happy. I never recall seeing so many foot faults at one event.

There were a lot of foot faults called... I agree. It's a rule of the game that should be debated. Does a hair over the line seriously affect the outcome of a point? I don't think so.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 PM
The poor linesjudge was the only one looking at Serena ’s left foot and she has been exercised to watch if the front part of her foot is crossing the line while executing the serve before hitting the ball (what you can hear). So she saw it, we all didn't.

Anyone who says the lineswoman was wrong must have been closer than her are having a better point of view with a taped video. No one offered such a proof, yet.

hope the lady is at the USO next yr...
Maybe she'll be a baseline judge for Serena's R1 match next year.

She could give Serena a little wave, like this

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tONz1gBpS3c/SZKKEBrVBxI/AAAAAAAABHQ/1VliAX9VycQ/s320/Vir+waving.jpg

SelesFan70
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 PM
I always feel sorry for linespeople. It's a thankless job that you have to do for tennis players who, by nature, have huge egos.

toxina90
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:59 PM
Some people smile as a defensive mechanism. Looked like a nervous smile to me. Maybe trying to show some confidence after suddenly being put on the spot (in a negative way) in front of a big crowd and a global tv audience. It's silly to blame her for that.

Absolutely! I would love to see how all these posters who claim she smiled with satisfaction, how they would have reacted and kept composure under fire from Serena. Nobody deserves to be bullied, especially in the workplace...regardless of Serena's supposed "breaking point" and blah blah blah.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:00 PM
The NBA has been being criticized for years for over officiating in matches for nonsense exactly like this. This isn't simply a case of American favoritism.
So who and how is it decided when a linejudge should enforce a rule and when they should turn a blind eye?

Personal judgement?

Vanity Bonfire
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Even if she was wrong, that doesn't give the right for Serena to act like she did.

Marcelo.
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:01 PM
No :speakles:

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Maybe she'll be a baseline judge for Serena's R1 match next year.

She could give Serena a little wave, like this

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tONz1gBpS3c/SZKKEBrVBxI/AAAAAAAABHQ/1VliAX9VycQ/s320/Vir+waving.jpg

:haha:

supergrunt
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:03 PM
not at all

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Even if she was wrong, that doesn't give the right for Serena to act like she did.

And she is paying for it greatly! Geez.

LindsayRulz
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Yea I do. This poor woman was only doing her job after all. :awww:

Slutiana
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:05 PM
Very ignorant to say: Her job is to call foot faults. As they so rarely happen, it must have been legitimate. Think about it: She's not a moron... she would have known that she would have suffered great backlash for calling it out at that moment! HOWEVER!!!!! If she saw it, then she saw it. Amazing how people attack her for following the rules of the game.

AS amazing as Serena and Kim were playing, Serena over reacted. The timing of the call is horrendously unfortunate... for both players... Serena still could have come back.... Kim probably would have prefered to legitimately beaten Serena.

Suck it up people: she did her job, and was verbally attacked. There's nothing in tennis that says a player can act that inappropriately towards anyone ever.

But how will it affect the outcome of the match? If it even WAS a footfault, it would have been by about one milimeter at the LEAST. Its not like she stepped right over the line. Her eyes could have been mistaken and at that period in the match with SO MUCH at stake she should've given Serena the BOTD. And remember how the player reacted when they were faced with similar circumstances.

DnQp9YoLl68

:lol: I'd say Serena's reaction was pretty understated compared to that.

markedman
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:07 PM
The poor linesjudge was the only one looking at Serena ’s left foot and she has been exercised to watch if the front part of her foot is crossing the line while executing the serve before hitting the ball (what you can hear). So she saw it, we all didn't.

Anyone who says the lineswoman was wrong must have been closer than her are having a better point of view with a taped video. No one offered such a proof, yet.

hope the lady is at the USO next yr...

Correct! The only person best placed to have made that call was the lineswoman. No matter what anybody else thinks or says, they where sat a home watching on TV, not sat directly inline with the players feet watching if they cross the line. And yes, in answer to other posters, people, inlcuding line judges make mistakes, they are after all human. It is my opinion that Serena's outburst was also a mistake in hindsight, because she too is only human. Thus she should show a little humility and recognise this fact.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:08 PM
It is not the job of a linesperson to worry about how a call with affect the outcome of a match. They are there to call a line, whatever the match circumstances.

I can't believe how many people seem to want to see discretion being applied to linecalls.

The sheer amount of "bias" complaints would go through the fucking roof if this were in any way adopted. Players and fans alike would assume that calls were being made to favour one player or the other.

Vanity Bonfire
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:08 PM
And she is paying for it greatly! Geez.

Umm, how, exactly? She's not in the final, but Clijsters would've beaten her anyway. If she did indeed say what was reported, it was disgusting. And then in the press conference, she comes over all 'Oh, I didn't say anything to her at all.'

KournikovaFan91
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:08 PM
:lol: I thought of that vid when I heard about the Serena incident.

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:11 PM
So who and how is it decided when a linejudge should enforce a rule and when they should turn a blind eye?

Personal judgement?

Two points:

In basketball, touching an opponents arm is, according to the literal rules of the game, a foul. If refs called personal fouls every time this occurred, basketball would be unwatchable. This is why refs use personal discretion, ESPECIALLY during playoff games, where they are even more lax.

If you are going to go nuts over touch fouls, then you have to be consistent. If you call petty calls during some instances, then not others, you get travesties like the 2006 Finals, which almost every journalist and fan I know of acknowledges was a sham.

Calling a foot fault (if there even was a foot fault) on a second serve when the infraction didn't even give the server an advantage of any sort is bullshit, frankly.

hater
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:13 PM
We shouldn't speak about an umpire. The stars are the tennis players not the umpires. This is so wrong! I hate Serena and Clijsters but it was their match, their moment and their story. This woman spoiled everthing.

gmokb
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:15 PM
If you can't do your job properly you should be bloodly well fired. I am only sorry Serena didn't give her something to feel threatened about. Stupid idiot robbed Serena and you are asking if I feel sorry for her? What in the hell did she lose?:mad:

Steff_forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:15 PM
Maybe she'll be a baseline judge for Serena's R1 match next year.

She could give Serena a little wave, like this

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tONz1gBpS3c/SZKKEBrVBxI/AAAAAAAABHQ/1VliAX9VycQ/s320/Vir+waving.jpg
:wavey: :lol:

Larrybidd
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:16 PM
Talk about inconsistent calls. Just saw the serve before that one, and it was the same serve and foot movements. If that one was a foot fault then the one before it should have been one as well. Too inconsistent for my liking, and in either serve her foot doesn't clearly touch any part of the line. Bogus.

You are absolutely right. There was nothing out of ordinary in her service motion that screamed for a goofy foot fault call. We don't need a fancy system to replace common sense on the part of officials. If a foot fault isn't painfully clear from even the limited angle we have, it shouldn't have been called in the crunch time of a match - that point should be made clear by supervising officials.

I watched college football all afternoon, and enjoyed numerous exciting last minute drives - not a one marred by a marginal holding call - tho clearly many such calls could have been made. If at all possible, let the players decide the game. Its way best for everybody please.

supergrunt
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:18 PM
I can see it now... in a long article berating the women's game and in particular Serena. Or atleast a blurb in the guinness book of world records, because she has to have the best eyesight in the history of mankind to make THAT CALL, THAT CLOSE at THAT STAGE IN THE MATCH. Last night was definitely her moment.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:19 PM
:yawn:

Vanity Bonfire
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:20 PM
I would so love it if she was on the front cover of Hello! Heat! or OK! magazine, talking about her trauma.

iheartjelenaj
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:21 PM
I don't feel bad for the line judge. If you look at the footage, it is clear that Serena did not make a foot fault. That is part of the reason why I think it is unnecessary for line judges and umpires in tennis matches, b/c they invariably make human errors and then get indignant when someone calls them out for making a mistake.

Serena had the right to get angry, even tho she may have gone too far in her tirade (but she only acted verbally), and that line judge better have learned a lesson. Don't mess with Serena.

phelbyn
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:22 PM
If you can't do your job properly you should be bloodly well fired. I am only sorry Serena didn't give her something to feel threatened about. Stupid idiot robbed Serena and you are asking if I feel sorry for her? What in the hell did she lose?:mad:

Well, truthfully it is just a game, so we should relax a bit. This is a quote from Serena directly off the WTA website:


And what about the foot fault? "I'm pretty sure I did," Williams added. "If she called a foot fault, she must have seen a foot fault. I mean, she was doing her job. I'm not going to knock her for doing her job."


If Serena can be that mature about the situation, then her fans should be too. Back off and give the linesperson credit for doing her job. And to that that the linesperson did the most DIFFICULT thing she's ever going to have to do... make such a call at that time.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:24 PM
didnt realise SAGA did tennis