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markhingis
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:13 PM
both players got booed, both argued about linespeople calls, whose behaviour deserves condemnation?
Hingis immature behaviour got remembered, but a mature Serena couldn't keep her head and mouth cool is really worse IMO.

Ryan
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:15 PM
Why is a HINGIS FAN starting this thread? :rolleyes: Do everyone a favor and delete this ASAP. This is just asking for people to come in and hate on both players. Idiot.

VishaalMaria
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:15 PM
Hingis.

MBM
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:15 PM
hingis was desperate, serena was angry

Kworb
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:16 PM
Serena of course. The difference is that Martina was right (the ball landed on the line) and Serena was wrong.

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:16 PM
hingis was desperate, serena was angry
Serena IMO, that alone took her out of the match because she did it at match point.

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:17 PM
Why is a HINGIS FAN starting this thread? :rolleyes: Do everyone a favor and delete this ASAP. This is just asking for people to come in and hate on both players. Idiot.

moderator and name calling. wow.

I guess, I can now apply to be a moderator too - I always thought I do not deserve it. Not any more.

Tanja8
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Martina 1999 was just immature and childish.
Serena should have known better ...

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Why is a HINGIS FAN starting this thread? :rolleyes: Do everyone a favor and delete this ASAP. This is just asking for people to come in and hate on both players. Idiot.
Its not that silly, because Hingis has been trash talked over and over her Rg 1999 incident, now its really interesting how the Williams fan base will look at it, because comments yesterday were like "I understand Serena", "there was no foot fault", "I would have done the same thing".... and the case is exactly the same. Hingis went overboard after a terrible line call.

Ryan
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:20 PM
moderator and name calling. wow.

I guess, I can now apply to be a moderator too - I always thought I do not deserve it. Not any more.



Sorry, do you not think this is a thread purely created to incite hate against BOTH players? Its asking for the GM Mods to come in an clean it up. If I think that makes him an idiot, I'm allowed to say it.

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:23 PM
Sorry, do you not think this is a thread purely created to incite hate against BOTH players? Its asking for the GM Mods to come in an clean it up. If I think that makes him an idiot, I'm allowed to say it.

well, just report with your remarks. the poster has a right to post this thread, you have a right to complain and general messages mods will close it if they feel your complaints are well warranted.

Crazy Canuck
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Ryan's being a cranky pants, but he's right: dumb thread. Hingis was a dumb teenager. Both went overboard. It doesn't really matter which was worse.

Expat
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:25 PM
This is the first thing that came in my mind when so many posters yesterday were claiming that it only happens with Serena. Wasn't Hingis given a point penalty too? It just happened that Serena blew off at match point

Bosco123
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:26 PM
both players got booed, both argued about linespeople calls, whose behaviour deserves condemnation?
Hingis immature behaviour got remembered, but a mature Serena couldn't keep her head and mouth cool is really worse IMO.

Hingis was much worse because it was insignificant point of the match, Serena's rage can be understandable (not that I would do the same) considering the situation.

markhingis
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Its not that silly, because Hingis has been trash talked over and over her Rg 1999 incident, now its really interesting how the Williams fan base will look at it, because comments yesterday were like "I understand Serena", "there was no foot fault", "I would have done the same thing".... and the case is exactly the same. Hingis went overboard after a terrible line call.

that was my point to create such a thread! Hingis was always criticized for her behaviour, pseudo-coke snorting, while Serena's gaffes were always excused in quite a positive way.
That's because Serena has more fans, who hate Hingis. I wonder what excuses will be used by Serena's fans this time...

Someone called me an idiot... I can be idiot if that makes him feel better. I don't care.

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:31 PM
I don't really see much point to this thread.

Serena is being criticised left, right and center - mostly deserved.

It's not going to change anything that Martina did or the criticism she got.

Frankly they're both as bad as each other.

vettipooh
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:34 PM
Serena of course. The difference is that Martina was right (the ball landed on the line) and Serena was wrong.


Serena was right to argue there was no footfault. The replay..and i have it on tape, clearly shows no footfault. However, losing her cool, cursing, and telling the lines judge that she feels like shoving the ball down her throat ( interpreted by the lines judge as Serena wanted to kill her), was conduct unbecoming.

Danxu
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:34 PM
Serena.

Hings didnt threaten anyone and she was 18. serena is 28 in a few days

goldenslam888
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:42 PM
did hingis threaten to kill a linesman?

did a point penalty cause hingis to lose?

was hingis booed in her home country?

is it unusual for a player to be booed in france?

VivalaSeles
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:09 PM
Both acted appallingly and their behaviour was most unsportlike. The fact that, in the same circumstances, I could react the same way does not make it right. If I understand (and I do) why they acted the way they did, it does not justify it. And if, given the same circumstances, I acted the same way, I would hope somebody would be kind enough to give me a good slap.

olivero
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:14 PM
Hingis by far.
Serena was pissed, it gave Kim a MP. Plus it was just a one inncident. No matter what she shouted in anger I don't think this could be comparable with Hingis. Hingis went nuts in that match and argued about not really significant point. And the way she tried to save those MPs with underhand serve...

goldenslam888
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:26 PM
few even remembers what hingis actually did at the french open.

serenas tirade will be remembered forever.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:33 PM
that was my point to create such a thread! Hingis was always criticized for her behaviour, pseudo-coke snorting, while Serena's gaffes were always excused in quite a positive way.
That's because Serena has more fans, who hate Hingis. I wonder what excuses will be used by Serena's fans this time...

Someone called me an idiot... I can be idiot if that makes him feel better. I don't care.
Well, it only goes to show that all players are human and just like the rest of us they fuck up every now and then. I was a Hingis (AND Capriati) fan, so I understand what you're saying, but there's no point in doing to them what we complained about when they were doing it to us.

As for which of the two incidents was the worst - from the players perspective I'd say that the Hingis incident was the more unfortunate of the two because she was actually winning the match when it happened whereas Serena was on the edge of defeat.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:38 PM
And the way she tried to save those MPs with underhand serve...
What's wrong with that? There's nothing in the rules that forbids underhand serving. When Chang did it the public loved it because most of them wanted him to beat Lendl. When Hingis did it they hated it because they wanted Graf to win.

olivero
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:43 PM
What's wrong with that? There's nothing in the rules that forbids underhand serving. When Chang did it the public loved it because most of them wanted him to beat Lendl. When Hingis did it they hated it because they wanted Graf to win.

But come on. It was a GS final. And I didn't say Chang's case was ok :shrug:

HippityHop
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:43 PM
few even remembers what hingis actually did at the french open.
serenas tirade will be remembered forever.

Tennis fans who were around then do remember. WTF are you talking about?

Chrissie-fan
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:47 PM
But come on. It was a GS final. And I didn't say Chang's case was ok :shrug:
The rules for a GS final are the same as anywhere else. Underhand serving is allowed - just because it's unusual doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with it.

thegreendestiny
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:49 PM
Hingis was 18 then, brat and immature. Serena is 28 now, matured and proven champion. That's what makes the difference.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:54 PM
Hingis was 18 then, brat and immature. Serena is 28 now, matured and proven champion. That's what makes the difference.
Nobody is perfect, doesn't matter if the're 18, 28 or 68. The difference is that when we mess up nobody knows about it. When they mess up the whole world is watching.

gillian
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:02 PM
I never understood what Hingis did in the '99 French final that was so bad.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:05 PM
I never understood what Hingis did in the '99 French final that was so bad.
The reaction of the public made it seem worse than it actually was really. They acted as if she had just killed someone.

pascal77
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:22 PM
i have seen 99RG finals for millions of times, that call was just a conspiracy by linesman who probably didnt want GrAF to lose. Even a blind man can see that ball was absolutely inside the baseline. Even Tv commentator said this point should be replayed.The position Graf was in 100% enabled her to see that ball was good, but she didnt admit and tried to mislead the chair umpire by pointing at the other mark previously left. since then, i have felt so sorry for Graf, she just didnt deserve her status as a tennis queen. shame on her

bandabou
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:23 PM
It don't matter..but lost their cool and it did cost them the match.

thegreendestiny
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:26 PM
Yeah, Graf won 22 slams by conspiracy. First Seles, then Hingis. :o

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:30 PM
Hingis was only 18 when she went over the net. Since then Hingis has learned her lesson and has not come close to being penalized. Serena on the other hand is 27, she could act way more mature than that, and has gotten god knows how many point penalties in the past.

sweetpeas
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:30 PM
Who cares!

pascal77
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:34 PM
haha

LoveFifteen
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:58 PM
Hingis didn't try to save the first match point with an underhand serve ... she did! :hearts:

Both incidents involved a player getting upset over line calls. Tennis is war, guys. Your body is flush with adrenaline. Adrenaline changes you and makes you act differently than you do under normal conditions. The human animal did not evolve to know it was just playing sports.

Both incidents were unfortunate, but let's stop exaggerating. They aren't that serious.

nfl46
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:21 PM
Definitely Serena's.