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Aravanecaravan
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:45 PM
So not only did she threaten the linesperson's physical well-being, doing so while brandishing a tennis racquet, all while caught on tape, but now she denies that she threatened her?

Why is it that anyone believes anything that comes out of her mouth? Denial is her M.O.

She is an embarassment to the game.

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Well do you actually believe Serena would physically harm a linesperson ?

Mackep83
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:48 PM
Well do you actually believe Serena would physically harm a linesperson ?

If she act like that after a line call in tennis, how would she react outside the court if something worse will happen?

Serena is a joke

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:50 PM
If she act like that after a line call in tennis, how would she react outside the court if something worse will happen?

Serena is a joke

Don't be ridiculous.

There is zero evidence of Serena being physically violent toward anyone.

She lost her temper, said something stupid in the heat of the moment and paid the price.

The joke is all the screaming for her to be crucified.

Mackep83
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:53 PM
Don't be ridiculous.

There is zero evidence of Serena being physically violent toward anyone.

She lost her temper, said something stupid in the heat of the moment and paid the price.

The joke is all the screaming for her to be crucified.

If anyone says, I will kill you and threat anyone like she did, something is very very wrong.

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:57 PM
If anyone says, I will kill you and threat anyone like she did, something is very very wrong.

Who said her behaviour was right ?

My point is that a player abusing a linesperson on court is always a possibility. The line judge reported the comment and appropriate action was taken according to the rules.

It is not about whether she was threatened or not.

Some posters on here make it sound like Serena was going to knife her in the corridor or something and there is zero evidence that she would do that, or indeed, that the lines judge thought she would.

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:58 PM
If it was a street corner with no one else around...

If it was a street corner with no one else around ... what ?

Serena is a normal person like everyone else. She is not a homicidal maniac any more than I expect you are.

She's quite right to defend herself here.

ED fan forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Serena isn't a violent person. She said something in the heat of the moment at the worst possible time and she paid the price. I don't think the linesperson genuinely felt threatened and Serena never said she wanted to kill her as the linesperson falsely stated to the umpire. I've said a lot worse things when I've gotten mad before. You don't mean it at all but when you're angry you just want to lash out.
Still though, I'm happy Kim is in the final:drool:

Mackep83
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:00 PM
Who said her behaviour was right ?

My point is that a player abusing a linesperson on court is always a possibility. The line judge reported the comment and appropriate action was taken according to the rules.

It is not about whether she was threatened or not.

Some posters on here make it sound like Serena was going to knife her in the corridor or something and there is zero evidence that she would do that, or indeed, that the lines judge thought she would.

a ball in the throat can cost more damage than a knife.

Rafito.
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:01 PM
I hated Serena before this. Now I love her.

*JR*
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:03 PM
Serena dear:

hYt-tT8F_Sc

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:03 PM
a ball in the throat can cost more damage than a knife.

Now I understand why you have all those red dots.

Next.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:06 PM
I don't know why she'd feel threatened.

Let's see, if this big muscular athlete came up and hovered over me while I was sat down, brandishing a racquet me like a weapon and shouting obscenities and threatening to smack a ball down my throat...

No, I wouldn't feel threatened at all. I'd wonder where Tinky Winky, Dipsy and La-La had got to....

MBM
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:08 PM
of course you would feel threatened in that situation, but this morning, with a clear mind and no serena in my face, i would recognise that serena wouldn't have put a finger on me, it was a verbal-telling off in the heat of the moment

Horizon
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:09 PM
Well do you actually believe Serena would physically harm a linesperson ?
This is true, and no I don't.

But that's no excuse. A threat is a threat, whether it was empty or not. It doesn't matter what her true intentions were in her mind, what matters are the words that came out of her mouth.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:10 PM
of course you would feel threatened in that situation, but this morning, with a clear mind and no serena in my face, i would recognise that serena wouldn't have put a finger on me, it was a verbal-telling off in the heat of the moment
Quite so. And if they'd all gone home and let the lineswoman sleep on it, I'm sure she would have agreed with you. Unfortunately they had a tennis match to finish.

The Dawntreader
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:10 PM
I doubt Serena would actually manhandle the woman, but her behaviour was extremely aggressive.

I think anyone is inclined to feel threatened when someone marches towards you, threatening to stick a ball down their throat:tape:

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:11 PM
If anyone says, I will kill you and threat anyone like she did, something is very very wrong.

Q. On court it was picked up where you said, I would never say such‑and‑such to you.

SERENA WILLIAMS: Because I think she said I would kill you, and I was like, What? I was like, Wait a minute.

But then I had misheard. She had never said that. So that was just something ‑‑ I was like, Whoa. Because I was like, Wait a minute. Let's not ‑‑ because I'm not that way. So.

She was like, No, I didn't say that. She said something else. I said, Oh, okay. I get it. And I was totally fine, because at that point I realized I got a point penalty and it was match point.

What can I do? I'm not going to complain. It was what it was.


Serena didn't threaten to kill her.

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:11 PM
Well do you actually believe Serena would physically harm a linesperson ?
Its not about hurting her phisically, but she came over to her two times and yelled some things at her, with anger , pointing the racket at her as well and all that stuff, no matter what she really said that alone was enough for a code vioation, you can´t threaten a line umpire like that. That is in the rules.

This exact same thing put Mcenore out of the 1990 Australian Open as well, and yes he was disqualified, not just a point penalty like Serena.

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:12 PM
If anyone says, I will kill you and threat anyone like she did, something is very very wrong.
No, you're right. If someone says, "I'll kill you," something is wrong....Serena however did NOT say that :shrug:

gentenaire
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:13 PM
You learn something new every day on these forums.

So basically, every time someone uses the F word, I am to believe that the person really wants to sleep with the person (s)he's swearing at. Because hey, people really do mean it when they threaten someone.

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:16 PM
I don't know why she'd feel threatened.

Let's see, if this big muscular athlete came up and hovered over me while I was sat down, brandishing a racquet me like a weapon and shouting obscenities and threatening to smack a ball down my throat...


Did you even watch the match? Serena didn't come even close to that hack, she was talking to her while standing 5 meters away from her.

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:17 PM
You know what? I can understand that a tennis player would lose control during a match. Serena is a fighter and is emotional.

However, there is NO excuse for the pathetic press conference she gave. I mean, I'm just shocked at her attitude, even if it's Serena. She admits that she might have FF... Well then the least she could do is to apologize profusely to the person she threatened (!) She DID verbally threaten that woman.

We all make mistakes, it's how we deal with them that show what kind of person we are. We saw what kind of person Serena J. Williams is during the press conference.

scoobsuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:19 PM
Did you even watch the match? Serena didn't come even close to that hack, she was talking to her while standing 5 meters away from her.
even so, if she's stood up, and I'm sat down, she's hovering over me - she got in closer than 5 meters - when she waved that racquet at her, it wasn't too far from the linejudge's face.

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:21 PM
even so, if she's stood up, and I'm sat down, she's hovering over me - she got in closer than 5 meters - when she waved that racquet at her, it wasn't too far from the linejudge's face.

What Serena did was absolutely a form of violence. People who deny what Serena did is violence are extremely ignorant about the many forms of violence that exist.

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:21 PM
This is true, and no I don't.

But that's no excuse. A threat is a threat, whether it was empty or not. It doesn't matter what her true intentions were in her mind, what matters are the words that came out of her mouth.

I am not excusing her behaviour. I am, however, trying to put it into perspective. Lots of atheletes lose their temper and Serena is no different.

All this stuff about her being an embarrassment to the game makes it sound like she's the only player ever to have done this.

Its not about hurting her phisically, but she came over to her two times and yelled some things at her, why anger and all that stuff, no matter what she really said that alone was enough for a code vioation, you can´t threaten a line umpire like that.

I agree with you but my point is that Serena paid the price for her actions according to the rules. There's no need for some posters on here to go overboard.

Whether the linesperson felt threatened or not is irrelevant as most atheletes can be imposing when they are shouting at you. The lines judge followed the correct course of action and simply told the umpire what happened. She did not decide Serena's fate.

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:22 PM
Did you even watch the match? Serena didn't come even close to that hack, she was talking to her while standing 5 meters away from her.
That 5 metter distance was on the second yelling, while the tournament referees were entering the court, the first time Serena went way past the doubles allly and yelled at her, and that is not 5 meters away IMO.

bad_angel_109
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:28 PM
:lol: i love the quote how serena says the linesperson was just "doing their job" and the serena wouldnt "knock" anyone just doing their job.

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:36 PM
She swore to God that she would harm her. A Jehovah's witness swearing to God.

I really should participate in these threads more often as it quickly tells me who I should bother to reply to and who I shouldn't.

Next.

PatrickRyan
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:38 PM
So not only did she threaten the linesperson's physical well-being, doing so while brandishing a tennis racquet, all while caught on tape, but now she denies that she threatened her?

Why is it that anyone believes anything that comes out of her mouth? Denial is her M.O.

She is an embarassment to the game.

No, Paszek with those big old tities hanging out all the time is.

rockstar
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:41 PM
i don't really believe serena's never been in a fight before, oh come on.... :lol: :p

Joe.
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:44 PM
of course the lineswoman would feel threatened. if your sitting down in a chair and a 6 foot woman with huge muscles starts pointing at you and shouting abuse at you, your gonna feel threatened. i personally think serena embarassed the game of tennis last night, and people who dont watch much tennis would have heard about the incident and will think our sport is a joke. but what surprised me the most is that in her interview she didnt even seem to care about what she had done! it was as if she thought what she had done was perfectly ok and there was nothing wrong with her behaviour.

Joe.
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:44 PM
kim :hug:

The Dawntreader
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:45 PM
No, Paszek with those big old tities hanging out all the time is.

:haha:

Chaos reigns on TF.

Danxu
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:46 PM
serena seems like a violent person

is1531
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:57 PM
So not only did she threaten the linesperson's physical well-being, doing so while brandishing a tennis racquet, all while caught on tape, but now she denies that she threatened her?

Why is it that anyone believes anything that comes out of her mouth? Denial is her M.O.

She is an embarassment to the game.

She is the best Women's tennis player, but I still think she is a lowlife. It must be the massive men's muscles that make her behave like an animal,lol. :):wavey:

is1531
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:02 PM
I hated Serena before this. Now I love her.

I am lost with your statement.

is1531
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Did you even watch the match? Serena didn't come even close to that hack, she was talking to her while standing 5 meters away from her.

I read her lips saying "I should take this ball and shove it down your throat." I think that is going too far. Serena got the New York fans on her side, which I thought was sad. I still think she is the best player, but in my book she is a lowlife. :):bounce:

thelittlestelf
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 PM
How can anyone know what she said? From all of the camera angles that I've seen it was absolutely impossible. If anyone has a link to a video with a close-up of what she said I'd be interested in seeing it!

-VSR-
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:12 PM
Yes, I'm sure she was actually going to shove the tennis ball down her throat. :rolleyes: You people are ridiculous.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Yes, I'm sure she was actually going to shove the tennis ball down her throat. :rolleyes: You people are ridiculous.

:lol::lol:

Exactly.

Serena is a really nice, down to earth person when not competing, but isn't everyone? Serena wouldn't hurt a fly unless it interfered with her game on match point. :devil:

matty
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:17 PM
of course the lineswoman would feel threatened. if your sitting down in a chair and a 6 foot woman with huge muscles starts pointing at you and shouting abuse at you, your gonna feel threatened. i personally think serena embarassed the game of tennis last night, and people who dont watch much tennis would have heard about the incident and will think our sport is a joke. but what surprised me the most is that in her interview she didnt even seem to care about what she had done! it was as if she thought what she had done was perfectly ok and there was nothing wrong with her behaviour.

First off, she's 5'9" and there were thousands of people watching in the stands and millions watching on TV--you really think Serena was going to do something--c'mon, get real. i doubt the linesperson actually felt threatened--more like embarrased for her lame call.

Noctis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:18 PM
Yeah People who actually believe Serena would rugsack her and than Shove a ball down a throat... You are the one should be more concerned with yourself. not Serena

matty
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:33 PM
Yes, she over-reacted, but let's see what was at stake for her here--we know she's now focusing on GS titles--if she could have won this one--she would have tied with Billie Jean King--that's pretty impressive.

thelittlestelf
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:34 PM
"I swear to god I will take this fu@king ball and shove it down your ****ing throat".

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/09/12/2009-09-12_serena_williams_loses_cool_in_mad_ending_.html# ixzz0QzLB69wP

Thanks. Just saw the ESPN video.

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:35 PM
If Serena was not in a tennis stadium, in front of thousands I believe she would have hurt the women. Fact of the matter is, even if it wasn't match point, she would have been defaulted from the match, according to USTA officials. She's also endangered of being defaulted from her doubles match.

drake3781
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM
Its not about hurting her phisically, but she came over to her two times and yelled some things at her, with anger , pointing the racket at her as well and all that stuff, no matter what she really said that alone was enough for a code vioation, you can´t threaten a line umpire like that. That is in the rules.

This exact same thing put Mcenore out of the 1990 Australian Open as well, and yes he was disqualified, not just a point penalty like Serena.

She swore to God that she would harm her. A Jehovah's witness swearing to God.

of course the lineswoman would feel threatened. if your sitting down in a chair and a 6 foot woman with huge muscles starts pointing at you and shouting abuse at you, your gonna feel threatened. i personally think serena embarassed the game of tennis last night, and people who dont watch much tennis would have heard about the incident and will think our sport is a joke. but what surprised me the most is that in her interview she didnt even seem to care about what she had done! it was as if she thought what she had done was perfectly ok and there was nothing wrong with her behaviour.

If Serena was not in a tennis stadium, in front of thousands I believe she would have hurt the women. Fact of the matter is, even if it wasn't match point, she would have been defaulted from the match, according to USTA officials. She's also endangered of being defaulted from her doubles match.


Agree with all of you.

I was only watching it, and I found it threatening and scary. If I imagine myself as the lineswoman, there is no question that she was threatened with violence. And she did yell at her three different times, and approach her closely with racquet towards her twice.

Serena did put on a good acting job to try to cover her ass afterward. Even the sentence itself makes no sense - the lineswoman would not know if she had been in a fight or not :rolleyes: , so only the aggressive actions mattered.

piercerocks
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:59 PM
uh honestly i dont think she would do anything to the woman.. she was just getting frustration out verbally. big deal. i thought it was more funny/entertaining than scary. if i were the lineswoman i would have just laughed at her.

hingisGOAT
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Serena is a coward, trying to bully the (much smaller) lineswoman... and, as her actions have made it clear, she is an immature child stuck in a woman's body. Probably from being famous very young, she never developed maturity or a grounded point of view

youizahoe
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:11 PM
heylookimstupid go have a party with coketina.

Just_lindsay
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:31 PM
Serena is an immature child stuck in a woman's body. :confused:

Probably from being famous very young, she never developed maturity or a grounded point of view

This makes a lot of sense... Serena is definitely a narcissist... but Venus grew up in the same environment and she's an :angel: in comparison...

guyinsf
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:59 PM
I hated Serena before this. Now I love her.

What reasons do you have for hating Serena before and what about this incident that makes you love her now?

V's a star
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:02 PM
I hated Serena before this. Now I love her.

:haha: me 2. its so hard for me not to like Serena. Cuz her personality is much more like mine and thats what i like in people. But i should be more like Venus same goes for Ree

If the quote is true thats soooo funny. I wud shit if Serena came at me like that, but after the fear subsides id have to knock a bitch out

guyinsf
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:06 PM
We all know that Serena WASN'T going to go through with inflicting any kind of physical harm to the line judge and to entertain the thought of the possibility of Serena meaning what she'd said is plain silly to me. This is all about the lack of class she showed in using severely abusive language towards another human being in front of millions of viewers.

mankind
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:15 PM
I love all these numbskulls coming on here saying 'but Serena wasn't actually going to harm her, so it's all ok'. Don't you guys know what assault is? You can assault someone without actually physically harming them. And by God did Serena assault that woman. And was punished accordingly. To my mind, the controversy ends here. But then Serena gave a press conference. Probably THE worst presser I've ever seen. Completely insipid, and she came off looking like a fool when all she had to say was 'I'm sorry', or at least acknowledge the truth. I mean, come on, I saw little kids on the TV sitting 3 rows back from Serena's tirade. They heard every word she said, right down to the last expletive. Totally inexcusable. And then to deny it, or to 'forget' what she said? Her immaturity knows no bounds. Congrats, Serena.

Uranus
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:19 PM
I don't get why people are still moaning. She told her to shut up or she would put the ball in her throat. The woman thought she was getting threatened to death (it would indeed kill her if such a thing happened), obviously Serena did not mean what she said and was just furious at the call/the woman. Had a warning before, then a point penalty. Deserved this. A champion has to control her nerves, especially before the last point of a GS SF.
Once again it is not something I have against Serena, but more towards some fans who are clearly overreacting.

Talula
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:37 PM
If I were Serena I would feel far more threatened by the crowd. They were scary. Hingis, RG 99 all over again - and Hingis behaved worse. I don't trust the US Open with regard to Serena - that Capriati Q/F a few years ago was a cause for concern.

Still has others have said I am please to see Kim reach the final and hope she wins.

Sally Struthers
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:41 PM
haven't we all at one point or another wished someone was dead or said we'd kill them as terrible as it may sound in retrospect? :shrug: :

or maybe it's just me :lol:

bad_angel_109
Sep 16th, 2009, 12:40 PM
i didnt see the footage til monday. omg, i didnt serena was pointing threateningly-like at that poor lineswoman. im glad she was fined.

thegreendestiny
Sep 16th, 2009, 04:08 PM
:haha:
Hypocrena Williams
With the kind of foul behavior she has been displaying over the years, she'd actually claim she hasn't been in a fight in her life. She would've killed that woman if they were alone. And she doesn't know why the lady would feel threatened? WTF? Go look yourself in the mirror! :haha:

MisterMan
Sep 16th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Don't be ridiculous.

There is zero evidence of Serena being physically violent toward anyone.


If you were walking in the streets of NY and a 6 foot black woman marched toward you with a racket, that face, those muscles and threatening to shove a ball down your throat - you would run away screaming while leaving a trail of urine behind you.

Serena is a loser.

terjw
Sep 16th, 2009, 04:51 PM
From the lineswoman's point of view - that would have been extremely frightening and threatening. We can all say behind our computers in the safety of our home that we wouldn't have felt threatened and Serena wouldn't have actually done what she said. The point is that Serena was out of control, threatening physical violence and when people completely lose it and are out of control - they are not rationl and you really can't assume anything about them on things they wouldn't do that they would never do normally. Especially when you are first in the firing line. In fact how would the lineswoman even know if Serena never been in a fight in her life - especially if she'd completely lost her rag.

And yes I agree in the safety of my home that Serena wouldn't have actually done that ramming the ball down the lineswoman's throat. But for Serena to say she did not know why the lineswoman felt threatened :rolleyes:. Still I hear she's apologised to her now.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 16th, 2009, 05:18 PM
No, Paszek with those big old tities hanging out all the time is.

:haha: :haha:

serenus_2k8
Sep 16th, 2009, 05:28 PM
If you were walking in the streets of NY and a 6 foot black woman marched toward you with a racket, that face, those muscles and threatening to shove a ball down your throat - you would run away screaming while leaving a trail of urine behind you.

Serena is a loser.

You need to grow a backbone, thats so pathetic! And why should Serena be treated differently to any othe rwoman because of her athletic physique. Her muscles have come from tennis, not boxing, so it doesnt make her more likely to have a fight.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 16th, 2009, 05:32 PM
I don't know why she'd feel threatened.

Let's see, if this big muscular athlete came up and hovered over me while I was sat down, brandishing a racquet me like a weapon and shouting obscenities and threatening to smack a ball down my throat...

No, I wouldn't feel threatened at all. I'd wonder where Tinky Winky, Dipsy and La-La had got to....

of course the lineswoman would feel threatened. if your sitting down in a chair and a 6 foot woman with huge muscles starts pointing at you and shouting abuse at you, your gonna feel threatened. i personally think serena embarassed the game of tennis last night, and people who dont watch much tennis would have heard about the incident and will think our sport is a joke. but what surprised me the most is that in her interview she didnt even seem to care about what she had done! it was as if she thought what she had done was perfectly ok and there was nothing wrong with her behaviour.

She is the best Women's tennis player, but I still think she is a lowlife. It must be the massive men's muscles that make her behave like an animal,lol. :):wavey:

If you were walking in the streets of NY and a 6 foot black woman marched toward you with a racket, that face, those muscles and threatening to shove a ball down your throat - you would run away screaming while leaving a trail of urine behind you.

Serena is a loser.

but of course race and/or gender has no bearing whatsoever on how this whole issue has been perceived. none at all.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 16th, 2009, 05:57 PM
If you were walking in the streets of NY and a 6 foot black woman marched toward you with a racket, that face, those muscles and threatening to shove a ball down your throat - you would run away screaming while leaving a trail of urine behind you.

Serena is a loser.

Ken, I'm surprised at you. You know better than that.

Context matters.

30,000 seat AA stadium is NOT the "streets of NY."

"That face?" What the hell does that mean?

"black woman" So the hell what. Are black people "scarier" to you? If so..., :help:

Ken, I'm really surprised, man. Yes. Serena was wrong. It was stupid, etc, etc, but your reaction was :confused:

The Witch-king
Sep 16th, 2009, 06:03 PM
:haha: me 2. its so hard for me not to like Serena. Cuz her personality is much more like mine and thats what i like in people. But i should be more like Venus same goes for Ree

If the quote is true thats soooo funny. I wud shit if Serena came at me like that, but after the fear subsides id have to knock a bitch out
after the fear subsides
lol

pokey camp
Sep 16th, 2009, 06:05 PM
From the lineswoman's point of view - that would have been extremely frightening and threatening. We can all say behind our computers in the safety of our home that we wouldn't have felt threatened and Serena wouldn't have actually done what she said. The point is that Serena was out of control, threatening physical violence and when people completely lose it and are out of control - they are not rationl and you really can't assume anything about them on things they wouldn't do that they would never do normally. Especially when you are first in the firing line. In fact how would the lineswoman even know if Serena never been in a fight in her life - especially if she'd completely lost her rag.

And yes I agree in the safety of my home that Serena wouldn't have actually done that ramming the ball down the lineswoman's throat. But for Serena to say she did not know why the lineswoman felt threatened :rolleyes:. Still I hear she's apologised to her now.
That's reasonable.

BlameSerena
Sep 16th, 2009, 06:33 PM
Ken, I'm surprised at you. You know better than that.

Context matters.

30,000 seat AA stadium is NOT the "streets of NY."

"That face?" What the hell does that mean?

"black woman" So the hell what. Are black people "scarier" to you? If so..., :help:

Ken, I'm really surprised, man. Yes. Serena was wrong. It was stupid, etc, etc, but your reaction was :confused:

Yeah you would think he knows better than that, but I'm not surprised. People act like Serena was walking down the street and suddenly lost her cool. Come on now...she was in an intense situation and reacting. We've seen Serena on her reality show and on her website hanging out, goofing around and just being silly. She's not a physical threat or harm to anyone. She is such a regular person as displayed below.

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:lol: :lol:

friendsita
Sep 16th, 2009, 06:51 PM
shut up!
don't u realize it's all about Serena! even when she does a "bab thing"... federer said to the chairman "I don't give a shit" and everybody heard and it's ok, Serena says or does something and it's "breaking news on CNN" is not the end of the world... come on!

sweetpeas
Sep 16th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Don't answer anymore Serena post! To Serena fans!I will not..Some of these people are thrash .

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 16th, 2009, 07:36 PM
If Serena was not in a tennis stadium, in front of thousands I believe she would have hurt the women. Fact of the matter is, even if it wasn't match point, she would have been defaulted from the match, according to USTA officials. She's also endangered of being defaulted from her doubles match.


Agree with all of you.

I was only watching it, and I found it threatening and scary. If I imagine myself as the lineswoman, there is no question that she was threatened with violence. And she did yell at her three different times, and approach her closely with racquet towards her twice.

Serena did put on a good acting job to try to cover her ass afterward. Even the sentence itself makes no sense - the lineswoman would not know if she had been in a fight or not :rolleyes: , so only the aggressive actions mattered.

you two are so smart. :rolleyes:


no doubt what serena did was wrong, over-the-line, threatening, and scary, but be careful to not go too far with your assumptions based on your observations.

edificio
Sep 16th, 2009, 08:33 PM
Why do some keep claiming that Serena is 6 ft tall? or even 6ft tall muscular black woman? Also, how is it that some of you are certain that Serena HAS been in a fight before? Ridiculous. Some people have problems.

I'm sure it is stressful having someone yell at you while you are doing your job. I would not like it myself. However, a line judge has to know that players sometimes get angry at their calls. If you watch tennis, you see it. So, I really don't think she was afraid. As for whether she would feel intimidated, perhaps so...Plenty of big name players (Hewitt, St. Agassi, Capriati, etc.) have tried to intimidate the line judge once or twice or frequently in the case of some. Even Serena's staredown with the line judge could be said to be intimidating. Malisse was the worst, though, I think.

sweetpeas
Sep 16th, 2009, 09:22 PM
This is what Originally Posted by MisterMan
If you were walking in the streets of NY and a 6 foot black woman marched toward you with a racket, that face, those muscles and threatening to shove a ball down your throat - you would run away screaming while leaving a trail of urine behind you.

Serena is a loser.


This is what those people think of people of color!That's just what the guy from the N.Y times was talking about...Its All 'right to give your big 'black tits to their baby!and Let the husband screw you,so they wouldn't screw their own daughter.Or go someway and take some else child,for 20yrs.Give her 2 babies.But their scared to meet you in the street.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 16th, 2009, 09:38 PM
Yeah you would think he knows better than that, but I'm not surprised. People act like Serena was walking down the street and suddenly lost her cool. Come on now...she was in an intense situation and reacting. We've seen Serena on her reality show and on her website hanging out, goofing around and just being silly. She's not a physical threat or harm to anyone. She is such a regular person as displayed below.

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:lol: :lol:

:lol: Who'd a thought Serena throws like a girl. ;)

BlameSerena
Sep 16th, 2009, 10:09 PM
:lol: Who'd a thought Serena throws like a girl. ;)
After she sings, she mouths "I wanna do an album." :tape::help::lol:

Nico_E
Sep 16th, 2009, 11:31 PM
serena should STFU already, ppl saw once again her for what she really is

a sad bully who throws the towel. makes excuses then runs when she's met her match :lol:

did the same stuff when Henin was kicking her ass allover the place in 2007, reduced her on court to shouting at Henin calling her every name she could think of

rockstar
Sep 17th, 2009, 08:31 AM
some of you defending serena's actions and claiming she's harmless :tape:

if serena had aimed a ball at the lineswoman and missed, you guys would still have ranted "she didn't hit anyone, she's really harmless"

bandabou
Sep 17th, 2009, 09:34 AM
Serena just lost her cool. Come on guys..you all act like she was some Jason from the Friday the 13th movies or something.

And if someone attacked her in a corner, what do you want to do? Just stand still and let them attack her?

volta
Sep 17th, 2009, 09:36 AM
some of you defending serena's actions and claiming she's harmless :tape:

if serena had aimed a ball at the lineswoman and missed, you guys would still have ranted "she didn't hit anyone, she's really harmless"

who is defending her actions? :confused: her fans have said PLENTY of times that we don't agree with that she did :confused:

is this another case of "you only see what your eyes want to see"? :scratch:

clean up the dust of your crystal ball

serena should STFU already, ppl saw once again her for what she really is

a sad bully who throws the towel. makes excuses then runs when she's met her match :lol:

did the same stuff when Henin was kicking her ass allover the place in 2007, reduced her on court to shouting at Henin calling her every name she could think of
YES YES YES , Serena is known for "throwing the towel" when she's loosing and for running away when she meets her match, just ask Venus , Henin, Capriati, Kim ... she NEVER EVER won a match against them when loosing, she just withdrew or make up a stunt to avoid a loss. YES your absolutely right, 10 POINTS TO Gryffindor :rocker2:

really? such as ?

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 17th, 2009, 10:03 AM
10 POINTS TO Gryffindor :spit:

Priceless.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 17th, 2009, 10:05 AM
After she sings, she mouths "I wanna do an album." :tape::help::lol:
Gotta give it to her. If no one else believes she can do anything, SHE certainly does. :lol:

Serena :kiss:

Matt01
Sep 17th, 2009, 10:41 AM
who is defending her actions? :confused: her fans have said PLENTY of times that we don't agree with that she did :confused:

is this another case of "you only see what your eyes want to see"? :scratch:

clean up the dust of your crystal ball


Crap. Lots of Serena's delusional fans have come up with excuses for Serena's behaviour and defended her. It is YOU who needs to open your eyes. :wavey:

Bronx19
Sep 17th, 2009, 10:57 AM
Gee, why would a small Asian woman be scared of a racquet wielding large black woman threatening to stuff a ball down her throat?

Ziggy Starduck
Sep 17th, 2009, 11:02 AM
^^^ I'm not sure where you are going with this?

JJandAna4ever
Sep 17th, 2009, 02:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh3bhgTfFrY&feature=related

Serena is a liar. "All my life, I've had to fight. So it's just another fight I'm going to have to win, that's all."

Now she's telling us she's never been in a fight in her life?

Pureracket
Sep 17th, 2009, 02:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh3bhgTfFrY&feature=related

Serena is a liar. "All my life, I've had to fight. So it's just another fight I'm going to have to win, that's all."

Now she's telling us she's never been in a fight in her life?I love to see how people's minds don't work.:lol:

LDVTennis
Sep 17th, 2009, 04:02 PM
Serena just lost her cool. Come on guys..you all act like she was some Jason from the Friday the 13th movies or something.

And if someone attacked her in a corner, what do you want to do? Just stand still and let them attack her?

That's all. That simple. She just lost her cool.

If she had just lost her cool, the ITF would not have considered her outburst a "major offense." So, by the ITF's standards, she didn't just lose her cool.

If she had just lost her cool, we wouldn't be here talking about her outburst days later.

If she had just lost her cool, her outburst would not have generated this much anger.

On that last point, I must say I am surprised by just how many people don't like Serena, almost most as many, if not more, than like her. She really is a polarizing figure, tennis' version of Sarah Palin.

Frankly, I've never seen anything like this before. It is one thing to not like a certain player because you like another player more, hence the differences between Graf and Seles fans or Chris and Martina fans. But, in Serena's case, it is clear that some people just don't like her, without necessarily liking another player more.

Indeed, the negative reaction to this outburst casts a new light on what might have happened at IW. Coincidentally, it was the same opponent there too. Was it racism or did they just not like her too? Whether or not it is reasonable to think this way, it is now possible because with one outburst Serena has gone from being a victim of racism to being a very unlikeable, angry player. Not so cool after all, huh?

Veritas
Sep 17th, 2009, 04:29 PM
On that last point, I must say I am surprised by just how many people don't like Serena, almost most as many, if not more, than like her. She really is a polarizing figure, tennis' version of Sarah Palin.

Frankly, I've never seen anything like this before. It is one thing to not like a certain player because you like another player more, hence the differences between Graf and Seles fans or Chris and Martina fans. But, in Serena's case, it is clear that some people just don't like her, without necessarily liking another player more.

Indeed, the negative reaction to this outburst casts a new light on what might have happened at IW. Coincidentally, it was the same opponent there too. Was it racism or did they just not like her too? Whether or not it is reasonable to think this way, it is now possible because with one outburst Serena has gone from being a victim of racism to being a very unlikeable, angry player. Not so cool after all, huh?

That's an interesting observation. If everyone was to lay all their cards on the table, I'm sure we'd find that many people's opinion of Serena will be influenced by how they perceive her as a black woman. Of course, the extent of it may differ from people to people, but it's there and it'd be really contentious to claim otherwise.

I'm also interested to hear what your take on Venus is in this. The impression I get is that she's more well liked than Serena, even though she's the less successful of the two. Why do you think that is? Is it the way she behaves, being the more passive of the two but at the cost of winning less matches than Serena?

Pureracket
Sep 17th, 2009, 04:43 PM
serena should STFU already, ppl saw once again her for what she really is

a sad bully who throws the towel. makes excuses then runs when she's met her match :lol:

did the same stuff when Henin was kicking her ass allover the place in 2007, reduced her on court to shouting at Henin calling her every name she could think ofI feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

wayitis
Sep 17th, 2009, 05:04 PM
That's an interesting observation. If everyone was to lay all their cards on the table, I'm sure we'd find that many people's opinion of Serena will be influenced by how they perceive her as a black woman. Of course, the extent of it may differ from people to people, but it's there and it'd be really contentious to claim otherwise.

I'm also interested to hear what your take on Venus is in this. The impression I get is that she's more well liked than Serena, even though she's the less successful of the two. Why do you think that is? Is it the way she behaves, being the more passive of the two but at the cost of winning less matches than Serena?

sad to say, but I think that , at least in this board and while talking about Serena and a few others, posters reactions and feelings are overswayed according to, not so much the player's actions, but the player's fan base's posts and posters.

LDVTennis
Sep 17th, 2009, 05:40 PM
That's an interesting observation. If everyone was to lay all their cards on the table, I'm sure we'd find that many people's opinion of Serena will be influenced by how they perceive her as a black woman. Of course, the extent of it may differ from people to people, but it's there and it'd be really contentious to claim otherwise.

I'm also interested to hear what your take on Venus is in this. The impression I get is that she's more well liked than Serena, even though she's the less successful of the two. Why do you think that is? Is it the way she behaves, being the more passive of the two but at the cost of winning less matches than Serena?

I'll begin by "putting my cards on the table." I've never liked Serena as a tennisplayer. For the record, I also didn't like Seles as a tennisplayer. IMO, there's just nothing stylish, graceful, or original about her (Serena's) game. That doesn't mean I don't like her as a person. In fact, on occasion, I've found her funny and charming. On that note, I could care less that she is black.

That's not to say, that some people don't. There's no denying the latent racism in society. And, some of that was certainly behind the crowd's reaction to Serena at IW and after the incident with this lineswoman.

Problem for Serena is that I think the majority of tennis fans would have already learned to appreciate her if it weren't for events in which her "blackness" takes precedence over the tennis itself. Before I get crucified for the use of that term "blackness," let me just say that I am not making a value judgement with that term. It is equivalent in my thinking with the term "German-ness." That was Steffi's problem during her career. To be accepted across Europe, especially at the French, she had to overcome her German-ness. German-ness, blackness, whiteness (e.g., Leyton Hewitt), we all carry our cultural baggage.

Steffi overcame her German-ness by making it all about the tennis. She seduced the French crowd in particular with all the flair in her game. By comparison, Serena has never been all about the tennis. She's never taken the small WTA tour events very seriously; she's never taken her opponents very seriously; she's never taken her fitness very seriously; and finally she's never taken the tennis very seriously.

By the end of her career, I warmed up to Martina Navratilova. Mind you, I disliked her tennis at both ends of her career, when she was beating up on Chris and later when she was challenging Steffi. Yet, during her last year, I bough tickets to watch her play at a number of events. She'd proven herself as a special tennis player and I wanted to see her play for the last time.

It remains to be seen if Serena will get that same kind of reception when she's close to the end. But the impression I get is that most, long-term fans and promotors of the sport are just tired of her and her family. That was before this last incident.

drake3781
Sep 17th, 2009, 07:26 PM
I feel your pain. If I were you, I'd simply stop posting anything dealing with her altogether. That'll teach her and her fans on this board a lesson.

Why are you always telling people to stop posting things about Serena? I keep seeing you post that. :shrug: Stop trying to manage what people post and let the opinions be expressed, whether you agree with them or not. :rolleyes:

bandabou
Sep 17th, 2009, 08:42 PM
I'll begin by "putting my cards on the table." I've never liked Serena as a tennisplayer. For the record, I also didn't like Seles as a tennisplayer. IMO, there's just nothing stylish, graceful, or original about her (Serena's) game. That doesn't mean I don't like her as a person. In fact, on occasion, I've found her funny and charming. On that note, I could care less that she is black.

That's not to say, that some people don't. There's no denying the latent racism in society. And, some of that was certainly behind the crowd's reaction to Serena at IW and after the incident with this lineswoman.

Problem for Serena is that I think the majority of tennis fans would have already learned to appreciate her if it weren't for events in which her "blackness" takes precedence over the tennis itself. Before I get crucified for the use of that term "blackness," let me just say that I am not making a value judgement with that term. It is equivalent in my thinking with the term "German-ness." That was Steffi's problem during her career. To be accepted across Europe, especially at the French, she had to overcome her German-ness. German-ness, blackness, whiteness (e.g., Leyton Hewitt), we all carry our cultural baggage.

Steffi overcame her German-ness by making it all about the tennis. She seduced the French crowd in particular with all the flair in her game. By comparison, Serena has never been all about the tennis. She's never taken the small WTA tour events very seriously; she's never taken her opponents very seriously; she's never taken her fitness very seriously; and finally she's never taken the tennis very seriously.

By the end of her career, I warmed up to Martina Navratilova. Mind you, I disliked her tennis at both ends of her career, when she was beating up on Chris and later when she was challenging Steffi. Yet, during her last year, I bough tickets to watch her play at a number of events. She'd proven herself as a special tennis player and I wanted to see her play for the last time.

It remains to be seen if Serena will get that same kind of reception when she's close to the end. But the impression I get is that most, long-term fans and promotors of the sport are just tired of her and her family. That was before this last incident.

Mind if I chip in.. you make some interesting points. Beginning with the "blackness". I think it's foolish to compare that to german-ness. German or no german, Steffi is still Caucasian, resembles the French crowd...more than Serena will ever resemble the majority of the American crowd and to me she never got a fair chance.

Perhaps as you say she didn't/ doesn't take the sport, the opponents, fitness seriously..but if it's about that, then how do you explain your beloved Steffi's own Agassi's popularity? He shackled for most of his career, only coming around at the tail end of his career..yet he's a legend.

BlameSerena
Sep 17th, 2009, 08:43 PM
who is defending her actions? :confused: her fans have said PLENTY of times that we don't agree with that she did :confused:

is this another case of "you only see what your eyes want to see"? :scratch:

clean up the dust of your crystal ball


YES YES YES , Serena is known for "throwing the towel" when she's loosing and for running away when she meets her match, just ask Venus , Henin, Capriati, Kim ... she NEVER EVER won a match against them when loosing, she just withdrew or make up a stunt to avoid a loss. YES your absolutely right, 10 POINTS TO Gryffindor :rocker2:

really? such as ?

:worship:

Yeah that Serena throws in the towel so much. In 7 of the 11 slams she's won, she's been ONE GAME away from defeat. What a quitter! :rolleyes:

sweetpeas
Sep 17th, 2009, 09:06 PM
Bronx19,,,Where you born in the bronx ?

bandabou
Sep 17th, 2009, 09:23 PM
That's all. That simple. She just lost her cool.

If she had just lost her cool, the ITF would not have considered her outburst a "major offense." So, by the ITF's standards, she didn't just lose her cool.

If she had just lost her cool, we wouldn't be here talking about her outburst days later.

If she had just lost her cool, her outburst would not have generated this much anger.

On that last point, I must say I am surprised by just how many people don't like Serena, almost most as many, if not more, than like her. She really is a polarizing figure, tennis' version of Sarah Palin.

Frankly, I've never seen anything like this before. It is one thing to not like a certain player because you like another player more, hence the differences between Graf and Seles fans or Chris and Martina fans. But, in Serena's case, it is clear that some people just don't like her, without necessarily liking another player more.

Indeed, the negative reaction to this outburst casts a new light on what might have happened at IW. Coincidentally, it was the same opponent there too. Was it racism or did they just not like her too? Whether or not it is reasonable to think this way, it is now possible because with one outburst Serena has gone from being a victim of racism to being a very unlikeable, angry player. Not so cool after all, huh?

Is this your way of wanting to prove that there was nothing racist in '01 at IW? Are you a shareholder or something that you so desperately wanna defend the event, the crowd..heck who are you defending?

If the crowd had booed Serena last Saturday it'd fine, totally understandable...Serena shouldn't have behaved that way. But I hope you are not seriously comparing Saturday's event with what took place at IW. This time Serena brought it to herself...in '01 she didn't. Or do u know something we don't? How could she be responsible for her sister being injured?

That was the reason, right...or again do you know more than we do?

You say you ain't a fan of Serena nor her tennis, yet by keep bringing IW up and defending the actions...seems like you still can't get over it that Serena ain't coming back. Her loss, not the event's...right? So what's the big deal.

Marshmallow
Sep 17th, 2009, 09:33 PM
If you were walking in the streets of NY and a 6 foot black woman marched toward you with a racket, that face, those muscles and threatening to shove a ball down your throat - you would run away screaming while leaving a trail of urine behind you.

Serena is a loser.

Oh of course, that makes it all so much worse. Makes me shiver just to think about it. A black woman… :eek: :bolt:

And people are claiming ethnicity isn’t a factor in the overreaction. This slip not enough?


I wud shit if Serena came at me like that, but after the fear subsides id have to knock a bitch out

:spit: :haha: Never fails. Love V's a star!

BlameSerena
Sep 17th, 2009, 09:35 PM
Oh of course, that makes it all so much worse. Makes me shiver just to think about it. A black woman… :eek: :bolt:

And people are claiming ethnicity isn’t a factor in the overreaction. This slip not enough?




:spit: :haha: Never fails. Love V's a star!

What's worse is that he probably sees nothing wrong with that statement. :help:

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 17th, 2009, 09:47 PM
What's worse is that he probably sees nothing wrong with that statement. :help:

what's worse-er (yes I know it's not a word, but whatever) is that there are so many others that see nothing wrong with that satement. he/she probably got a TON of good reps for it.

LDVTennis
Sep 17th, 2009, 10:33 PM
Mind if I chip in.. you make some interesting points. Beginning with the "blackness". I think it's foolish to compare that to german-ness. German or no german, Steffi is still Caucasian, resembles the French crowd...more than Serena will ever resemble the majority of the American crowd and to me she never got a fair chance.

Perhaps as you say she didn't/ doesn't take the sport, the opponents, fitness seriously..but if it's about that, then how do you explain your beloved Steffi's own Agassi's popularity? He shackled for most of his career, only coming around at the tail end of his career..yet he's a legend.

Comparing Andre to Serena is plain wrong. Andre may not have taken his fitness seriously at one point in his career, but he always took his opponents seriously and he never threatened a line judge with physical harm.

As to the rest, why is "being black" so special? Is there a ranking system somewhere which calculates that being "black" is more objectionable to the French than being an "ugly American," or a "German."

In general, let me say this. Everyone whom I've ever met at a tennis tournament was enlightened enough to be there for the sake of watching some entertaining tennis. I'll vouch for most of those people and say that they could have cared less if the person was black or white. From my experience, and I was at the 2001 IW Final, the only time when either of those two things mattered was when there was the suggestion on the part of one of the participants that something else was more important than the tennis.

Honestly, I don't think Serena or you understand this. I tuned into the semifinal between Kim and Serena to watch tennis, not to be treated to a theatrical performance by Serena. This is exactly what I thought as she launched into her tirade. She's being disrespectful of the people who paid to watch the match and she's being disrespectful of her opponent who is waiting on her to play the next point. Doesn't she realize that this is not all about her?

LDVTennis
Sep 17th, 2009, 10:54 PM
Is this your way of wanting to prove that there was nothing racist in '01 at IW? Are you a shareholder or something that you so desperately wanna defend the event, the crowd..heck who are you defending?

If the crowd had booed Serena last Saturday it'd fine, totally understandable...Serena shouldn't have behaved that way. But I hope you are not seriously comparing Saturday's event with what took place at IW. This time Serena brought it to herself...in '01 she didn't. Or do u know something we don't? How could she be responsible for her sister being injured?

That was the reason, right...or again do you know more than we do?

You say you ain't a fan of Serena nor her tennis, yet by keep bringing IW up and defending the actions...seems like you still can't get over it that Serena ain't coming back. Her loss, not the event's...right? So what's the big deal.

This is what I was saying.

Had Serena and her sister gone on to be model tennis players by showing respect for their opponents and the small tournaments that are the backbone of the WTA tour, what happened at IW would forever remain an anomaly whose meaning could only be determined in isolation. But, that didn't happen. So, in retrospect, the possibility that the crowd just didn't like Serena for reasons other than her race gains greater credibility.

As to the rest, you're line of reasoning is so flawed.

Vlover
Sep 18th, 2009, 12:32 AM
in Serena's case, it is clear that some people just don't like her, without necessarily liking another player more.
Happy to burst your bubble and let you know Serena is not unique in this regard. I guess she is hated mostly by who you associate with in your neck of the woods and who you regard as "true" tennis fans but that is not the sentiments of most people who have been polled. I have yet to see any empirical evidence that she is hated by the majority of regular people as you are trying to imply here.:rolleyes: From all the reports I've seen to date Serena is most often the preferred female athlete in the US therefore you have no basis for what you are insinuating.:tape:

LDVTennis
Sep 18th, 2009, 01:21 AM
Happy to burst your bubble and let you know Serena is not unique in this regard. I guess she is hated mostly by who you associate with in your neck of the woods and who you regard as "true" tennis fans but that is not the sentiments of most people who have been polled. I have yet to see any empirical evidence that she is hated by the majority of regular people as you are trying to imply here.:rolleyes: From all the reports I've seen to date Serena is most often the preferred female athlete in the US therefore you have no basis for what you are insinuating.:tape:

I wasn't basing my opinion on the preferences of my associates. I was basing my opinion on all the negative reaction to her behavior on this forum. Typically, fans on this board have been evenly split between those who like her and those who don't. The proportion seems to have shifted.

Of course, it's possible the people on this board are not representative of the tennis public. But, then who is? The tennis fans at Tenniswarehouse.com? They never liked her.

So, pick your bubble.

Donny
Sep 18th, 2009, 01:23 AM
Comparing Andre to Serena is plain wrong. Andre may not have taken his fitness seriously at one point in his career, but he always took his opponents seriously and he never threatened a line judge with physical harm.

As to the rest, why is "being black" so special? Is there a ranking system somewhere which calculates that being "black" is more objectionable to the French than being an "ugly American," or a "German."

In general, let me say this. Everyone whom I've ever met at a tennis tournament was enlightened enough to be there for the sake of watching some entertaining tennis. I'll vouch for most of those people and say that they could have cared less if the person was black or white. From my experience, and I was at the 2001 IW Final, the only time when either of those two things mattered was when there was the suggestion on the part of one of the participants that something else was more important than the tennis.

Honestly, I don't think Serena or you understand this. I tuned into the semifinal between Kim and Serena to watch tennis, not to be treated to a theatrical performance by Serena. This is exactly what I thought as she launched into her tirade. She's being disrespectful of the people who paid to watch the match and she's being disrespectful of her opponent who is waiting on her to play the next point. Doesn't she realize that this is not all about her?

In other words: No one's racist anymore... except black people, against whites. Gotcha.

Vlover
Sep 18th, 2009, 01:55 AM
[QUOTE=LDVTennis;16512604]I wasn't basing my opinion on the preferences of my associates. I was basing my opinion on all the negative reaction to her behavior on this forum. Typically, fans on this board have been evenly split between those who like her and those who don't. The proportion seems to have shifted.
From my observation, reactions around here were quite predictable and the usual suspects like yourself expressed their hatred as expected. I saw no shifting of positions one way or the other therefore this is all in your head. This board represents mostly fanatics of individual players therefore cannot be used to judge the sentiments of people in the real world.

BlameSerena
Sep 18th, 2009, 02:34 AM
In other words: No one's racist anymore... except black people, against whites. Gotcha.

Don't tell that to former Pres. Carter.:bolt::scared:

PreOp
Sep 18th, 2009, 03:08 AM
Comparing Andre to Serena is plain wrong. Andre may not have taken his fitness seriously at one point in his career, but he always took his opponents seriously and he never threatened a line judge with physical harm.

As to the rest, why is "being black" so special? Is there a ranking system somewhere which calculates that being "black" is more objectionable to the French than being an "ugly American," or a "German."

In general, let me say this. Everyone whom I've ever met at a tennis tournament was enlightened enough to be there for the sake of watching some entertaining tennis. I'll vouch for most of those people and say that they could have cared less if the person was black or white. From my experience, and I was at the 2001 IW Final, the only time when either of those two things mattered was when there was the suggestion on the part of one of the participants that something else was more important than the tennis.

Honestly, I don't think Serena or you understand this. I tuned into the semifinal between Kim and Serena to watch tennis, not to be treated to a theatrical performance by Serena. This is exactly what I thought as she launched into her tirade. She's being disrespectful of the people who paid to watch the match and she's being disrespectful of her opponent who is waiting on her to play the next point. Doesn't she realize that this is not all about her?

You got to be kidding. Don't you know that Agassi spat at an umpire, and hit a lines person with a ball, among his many transgressions. The news is chock-full of athletes, some stars of the greatest magnitude, who have done the unspeakable with mouth and body on the field of play. Often these offenders are fined, and even suspended, as should Serena. But cut the crap, Serena is no anomaly among great competitors. One of the most revered of baseball players, the first black in the major leagues, Jackie Robinson, would if a pitcher threw too close to him lay a bunt down the first base line. Then as the pitcher came to field it would flatten him. Billy Martin, a charismatic and very popular manager in baseball, would almost routinely "lose it". Kicking at an umpire was a specialty of his. You could fill more than one book with like examples from all sports. The chapter devoted to tennis would not be short.

LoveMeansZero
Sep 18th, 2009, 03:41 AM
So not only did she threaten the linesperson's physical well-being, doing so while brandishing a tennis racquet, all while caught on tape, but now she denies that she threatened her?

Why is it that anyone believes anything that comes out of her mouth? Denial is her M.O.

She is an embarassment to the game.

Let's suppose that she said: "I am going to lift you, use you as a ball, and kick you over the net with my racket". Sound ridiculous doesn't it? But, if that were possible, that would kill her, right? However, it's not a real threat, because it's obviously something impossible to do.

Now you know what she said: "I am going to shove... blah...blah". Still impossible to do, because the tennis ball can't fit a person's throat.

Both above scenarios are metaphors people use when they're angry!

A real threat would be something like: "I am going to smash my racket over your head!"

So, when you say "threaten the linesperson's physical well-being", you are just being stupid!

It's your right not to like Serena. But please express your dislike with something intelligent, not idiotic!

drake3781
Sep 18th, 2009, 04:51 AM
Let's suppose that she said: "I am going to lift you, use you as a ball, and kick you over the net with my racket". Sound ridiculous doesn't it? But, if that were possible, that would kill her, right? However, it's not a real threat, because it's obviously something impossible to do.

Now you know what she said: "I am going to shove... blah...blah". Still impossible to do, because the tennis ball can't fit a person's throat.

Both above scenarios are metaphors people use when they're angry!

A real threat would be something like: "I am going to smash my racket over your head!"

So, when you say "threaten the linesperson's physical well-being", you are just being stupid!

It's your right not to like Serena. But please express your dislike with something intelligent, not idiotic!


You are being too literal. When somebody is extremely angry, approaching, raising an object toward you, and yelling, and stating she will do something harmful to you, that is threatening. She may not be physically able to do the exact act that she said she will do, but she could very well at any second do some other harmful act to you. Let's say she says, "I will beat your ass" but since the line judge is sitting, she might instead beat her head. It's not like the line judge isn't threatened because Serena said "ass" but the line judge knew she couldn't get to her ass, so she feels not threatened. It is threatening to have all these things happen to you, when you are not expecting it and have simply performed a task of your job, regardless whether carrying out the exact words of the threat is possible.

Compare what she did say, to expressing her anger by instead saying, "Oh my God I cannot believe you saw my foot over the line! What part of my foot? Can this really be happening to me, when Kim is playing so well and now it is match point! This sucks!! Damn now I am not going to get all that prize money and how am I going to furnish my house!?!!?" Serena could have yelled these things just as loud, and she would still have been out of order, but not threatening. And that is what we are talking about.

spencercarlos
Sep 18th, 2009, 05:02 AM
Comparing Andre to Serena is plain wrong. Andre may not have taken his fitness seriously at one point in his career, but he always took his opponents seriously and he never threatened a line judge with physical harm.

As to the rest, why is "being black" so special? Is there a ranking system somewhere which calculates that being "black" is more objectionable to the French than being an "ugly American," or a "German."

In general, let me say this. Everyone whom I've ever met at a tennis tournament was enlightened enough to be there for the sake of watching some entertaining tennis. I'll vouch for most of those people and say that they could have cared less if the person was black or white. From my experience, and I was at the 2001 IW Final, the only time when either of those two things mattered was when there was the suggestion on the part of one of the participants that something else was more important than the tennis.

Honestly, I don't think Serena or you understand this. I tuned into the semifinal between Kim and Serena to watch tennis, not to be treated to a theatrical performance by Serena. This is exactly what I thought as she launched into her tirade. She's being disrespectful of the people who paid to watch the match and she's being disrespectful of her opponent who is waiting on her to play the next point. Doesn't she realize that this is not all about her?
You are completly wrong LVD, Agassi could well be an ass on court. From short right now i can remmember him at the Grand Slam Cup 1994 vs Larsson match almost hit a ball to the chair umpire was worse than Serena.
Also who can forget Agassi´s terrible behaviour at the Usopen against Kucera in the 4th round. He mocked Kucera, he moonballed, he cursed, he was an ass that day.
Agassi got disqualified in 1996 in a match vs Daniel Nestor in Indy if i remmember correctly as well.
I am sure there are more...

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 18th, 2009, 05:16 AM
From my observation, reactions around here were quite predictable and the usual suspects like yourself expressed their hatred as expected. I saw no shifting of positions one way or the other therefore this is all in your head. This board represents mostly fanatics of individual players therefore cannot be used to judge the sentiments of people in the real world.

Agreed, and to add to that...,

I've been pleasantly surprised by how many posters who seemed in the past to be quite biased and against and vitriolic toward Serena now have been very fair, even-handed and even understanding (to the extent that one could be understanding given she did handle things poorly) of her reaction and of how something like this could happen.

It seems to me that, around here, this has done nothing but clarify those that REALLY have an axe to grind against Serena v/s those who seek to be fair minded.

It's clear to me, Serena has more allies around here and people willing to give her the benefit of the doubt than detractors and haters that despise her no matter how many little ol' ladies she helped across the street.

Veritas
Sep 18th, 2009, 06:06 AM
That's not to say, that some people don't. There's no denying the latent racism in society. And, some of that was certainly behind the crowd's reaction to Serena at IW and after the incident with this lineswoman.

Problem for Serena is that I think the majority of tennis fans would have already learned to appreciate her if it weren't for events in which her "blackness" takes precedence over the tennis itself. Before I get crucified for the use of that term "blackness," let me just say that I am not making a value judgement with that term. It is equivalent in my thinking with the term "German-ness." That was Steffi's problem during her career. To be accepted across Europe, especially at the French, she had to overcome her German-ness. German-ness, blackness, whiteness (e.g., Leyton Hewitt), we all carry our cultural baggage.

Can you clarify what you mean by Serena's "blackness" being a factor as to how well-liked she is?

Do you mean that many spectators can't get past Serena's race when judging her both as a person and a tennis player?

Also, I agree with bandabou that it's non-sequitur to draw an analogy between Steffi's "German-ess" and Serena's "blackness". Despite Germany's suspect past, its culture and heritage are very similar to the U.S. and other countries across Western Europe - and they're the dominant powers in the sport. I believe if Steffi had faced any prejudice against her being German, then it was easier for her to overcome it than Serena with her "blackness".

Steffi overcame her German-ness by making it all about the tennis. She seduced the French crowd in particular with all the flair in her game. By comparison, Serena has never been all about the tennis. She's never taken the small WTA tour events very seriously; she's never taken her opponents very seriously; she's never taken her fitness very seriously; and finally she's never taken the tennis very seriously.

If most people judge Serena based on how committed to the sport they perceive her to be, than that's unfair on their part (as well as hers). Yes it's more inspirational to see a tennis star be fully committed in his/her profession, promoting the sport so it can have a stronger presence in the world and survive into the future. But it's also unreasonable to expect every successful athlete to be that dedicated. Despite the millions they earn, they have a life outside of the sport and they're entitled to dabble in their other interests. And if anyone else was in their shoes, I doubt they can honestly say they'll be more committed than the athlete they're criticising.

By the end of her career, I warmed up to Martina Navratilova. Mind you, I disliked her tennis at both ends of her career, when she was beating up on Chris and later when she was challenging Steffi. Yet, during her last year, I bough tickets to watch her play at a number of events. She'd proven herself as a special tennis player and I wanted to see her play for the last time.

It remains to be seen if Serena will get that same kind of reception when she's close to the end. But the impression I get is that most, long-term fans and promotors of the sport are just tired of her and her family. That was before this last incident.

I look at it this way - Serena and Venus are the first true dominant athletes of the sport who happen to be ... well, not white. We haven't been exposed to stars of their success and calibre in the past, so most of us are learning to get used to them being at the top of the game. I think once time has passed, the Williams sisters would've helped set the foundations for non-white stars to be more accepted and less antagonised. We might even look back and chastise ourselves for how narrow-minded we've been and use it as a lesson learnt when judging non-white athletes.

So what's your take on Venus? How come she seems to be more well-liked and a less polarising figure than Serena?

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2009, 06:13 AM
Comparing Andre to Serena is plain wrong. Andre may not have taken his fitness seriously at one point in his career, but he always took his opponents seriously and he never threatened a line judge with physical harm.

As to the rest, why is "being black" so special? Is there a ranking system somewhere which calculates that being "black" is more objectionable to the French than being an "ugly American," or a "German."

In general, let me say this. Everyone whom I've ever met at a tennis tournament was enlightened enough to be there for the sake of watching some entertaining tennis. I'll vouch for most of those people and say that they could have cared less if the person was black or white. From my experience, and I was at the 2001 IW Final, the only time when either of those two things mattered was when there was the suggestion on the part of one of the participants that something else was more important than the tennis.

Honestly, I don't think Serena or you understand this. I tuned into the semifinal between Kim and Serena to watch tennis, not to be treated to a theatrical performance by Serena. This is exactly what I thought as she launched into her tirade. She's being disrespectful of the people who paid to watch the match and she's being disrespectful of her opponent who is waiting on her to play the next point. Doesn't she realize that this is not all about her?

No we shouldn't compare Serena with Agassi..Agassi actually HIT linesmen and umpires PURPOSELY and there's evidence of that on the net. But of course we're gonna turn a blind eye on that.

For someone who claims he's the smartest guy of the class, you sometimes can't think logically.
We live in America..and you still are saying that being black hasn't a thing to do with it...and comparing that with german-ness?

It isn't even 40 years ago that blacks weren't allowed to play nor compete in any of the major sports, had to stand in the back of the bus, etc.. Come on, LDV. Don't be foolish.

Barry Bonds gets vilified, Roger Clemens walks away free.

And you aren't making sense with your suggestion that something was more important than tennis. Serena was there to play her match in ' 01, no?

So now because someone complains about a call they don't agree with, they don't care about tennis? Okayyyy.

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2009, 06:25 AM
This is what I was saying.

Had Serena and her sister gone on to be model tennis players by showing respect for their opponents and the small tournaments that are the backbone of the WTA tour, what happened at IW would forever remain an anomaly whose meaning could only be determined in isolation. But, that didn't happen. So, in retrospect, the possibility that the crowd just didn't like Serena for reasons other than her race gains greater credibility.

As to the rest, you're line of reasoning is so flawed.

You had been waiting for this, haven't you?!
You were dissapointed when Serena kept her cool back in ' 04 at this same U.S. Open, huh?

Yes, yes, yess..finally another american crowd other than IW who turned on Serena.. but guess what, by the cheers she received the other day.. the crowd still loves Serena.

Plus you're acting like Serena was the first person to over go off due to a bad call and like that alone should be enough reason for hating on her.

Bronx19
Sep 18th, 2009, 06:48 AM
^^^ I'm not sure where you are going with this?

"I don't know why she would feel threatened".

Bronx19
Sep 18th, 2009, 06:49 AM
Bronx19,,,Where you born in the bronx ?

Australia.

Junex
Sep 18th, 2009, 08:40 AM
Serena fans should just shut up!
Serena did wrong and she should face the consequences...

I should have felt vindicated right now by how much you crucified Justine for retiring in AO06 or that "hand" incident in FO03...

But no, the nerve of some Fans trying to Justify Serena's act as simply an outburst is defeaningly hypocritical. And these same persons also threw shit over Martina for being a "coke user"?

A true mark of double standards!

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2009, 08:44 AM
Serena fans should just shut up!
Serena did wrong and she should face the consequences...

I should have felt vindicated right now by how much you crucified Justine for retiring in AO06 or that "hand" incident in FO03...

But no, the nerve of some Fans trying to Justify Serena's act as simply an outburst is defeaningly hypocritical. And these same persons also threw shit over Martina for being a "coke user"?

A true mark of double standards!


:lol: Priceless.. you mean just like you defended Juju back then? Contrary to what most of Serena-fans are doing: we AIN'T defending her.. we're just pointing out that the reactions are overblown.

Serena's outburst is now compared with using coke?! Please..

Junex
Sep 18th, 2009, 08:47 AM
No we shouldn't compare Serena with Agassi..Agassi actually HIT linesmen and umpires PURPOSELY and there's evidence of that on the net. But of course we're gonna turn a blind eye on that.



Barry Bonds gets vilified, Roger Clemens walks away free.


So by your logic, if a white man gets away with murder, a black person should too?

Junex
Sep 18th, 2009, 08:58 AM
:lol: Priceless.. you mean just like you defended Juju back then? Contrary to what most of Serena-fans are doing: we AIN'T defending her.. we're just pointing out that the reactions are overblown.

Serena's outburst is now compared with using coke?! Please..

As much as I love Justine, I never defended her over that commissions. She did a wrong choice and it was clearly a mistake, she deserve to be called out for it.

Yes your not defending Serena, but your trying to justify her wrong actions by using race card.

No, I am not comparing Serena's outburst with using coke, In my book...Serena's outburst is worst! at least when Martina sniffed that coke she was not threatening anyone.

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2009, 09:03 AM
So by your logic, if a white man gets away with murder, a black person should too?

Or..if a black man got convicted for it, should a white man too?

bandabou
Sep 18th, 2009, 09:08 AM
As much as I love Justine, I never defended her over that commissions. She did a wrong choice and it was clearly a mistake, she deserve to be called out for it.

Yes your not defending Serena, but your trying to justify her wrong actions by using race card.

No, I am not comparing Serena's outburst with using coke, In my book...Serena's outburst is worst! at least when Martina sniffed that coke she was not threatening anyone.

playing the race card? People wanna use this outburst as reason for banning, suspending Serena from tennis...if they could, forever.

And that to me is just bogus. She wasn't the first one to go off and there've been cases of WORSE behavior (Andre Agassi..anyone?) that have basically gone unpunished.

So why all over Serena now? She got fined, lost the match..that's it. If it becomes a repeating issue, then it's different. But for now..people should just get over themselves.

Bijoux0021
Sep 18th, 2009, 09:39 AM
Serena fans should just shut up!
Serena did wrong and she should face the consequences...

I should have felt vindicated right now by how much you crucified Justine for retiring in AO06 or that "hand" incident in FO03...

But no, the nerve of some Fans trying to Justify Serena's act as simply an outburst is defeaningly hypocritical. And these same persons also threw shit over Martina for being a "coke user"?

A true mark of double standards!
Vindicated? :lol: Serena didn't/doesn't cheat. And she didn't quit a slam final with a "tummy ache" just because she was having her ass handed to her. Justine did all those and got away with them with no punishment. She didn't get crucified at all.

Through out Serena's tennis career, she has been cheated by chair umpires, players (Justine included) and lines-people, yet she has kept her cool until this past Saturday. It's interesting that Serena's haters feel that it's perfectly okay for cheaters to keep on cheating her and not say anything, as if she's a robot.

And Serena's outburst had nothing to do with Hingis snorting cocaine. :o

Matt01
Sep 18th, 2009, 11:06 AM
Vindicated? :lol: Serena didn't/doesn't cheat. And she didn't quit a slam final with a "tummy ache" just because she was having her ass handed to her. Justine did all those and got away with them with no punishment. She didn't get crucified at all.

Through out Serena's tennis career, she has been cheated by chair umpires, players (Justine included) and lines-people, yet she has kept her cool until this past Saturday. It's interesting that Serena's haters feel that it's perfectly okay for cheaters to keep on cheating her and not say anything, as if she's a robot.


One word:

Delusional.

thegreendestiny
Sep 18th, 2009, 12:21 PM
Vindicated?
Through out Serena's tennis career, she has been cheated by chair umpires, players (Justine included) and lines-people, yet she has kept her cool until this past Saturday. It's interesting that Serena's haters feel that it's perfectly okay for cheaters to keep on cheating her and not say anything, as if she's a robot.

"The Hand" is being more useful these days.
Serena fans always using the same "cheating" excuse for Serena's losses to Justine. Now, they have found a way to use it to vindicate her of her outburst and hypocrisy ill-educated conduct. :o

bad_angel_109
Sep 19th, 2009, 07:29 AM
:haha:
Hypocrena Williams
:haha::lol: :worship: