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LightWarrior
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:00 PM
By Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports

NEW YORK – Serena Williams is set to become the subject of an in-depth investigation after launching into a profane outburst that prompted her exit out of the U.S. Open.

Yahoo! Sports has learned that Williams will be asked to explain her actions and comments toward a female line judge at the end of her semifinal defeat to Kim Clijsters on Saturday night. A source revealed that representatives from tennis’ governing body – the International Tennis Federation – plus members of the Grand Slam Committee, which oversees the four major tournaments – will convene along with U.S. Open referee Brian Earley on Sunday.

The group is expected to review video footage of the incident, seek clarification from the line judge and most likely hand down a heavy fine to Williams. A representative from the WTA Tour is also expected to be included, although the Tour does not have jurisdiction over Grand Slam events. (...)

The on-court controversy was followed by a whirlwind of activity once Williams left the playing area at Arthur Ashe Stadium.
Following a press conference, Williams met with Earley to discuss the situation. She then left Flushing Meadows in official U.S. Open transportation, accompanied by her mother Oracene Price and sister Venus Williams. At her media conference, Serena refused to back down.

VishaalMaria
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:04 PM
Oh my.

Ciarán
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:07 PM
I thought Serena had more class than this :sad:

DragonFlame
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:08 PM
The right thing to do for that poor linesperson. She was only doing her job, i hope she gets an apoligy for all the cursing etc against her. :o

And hopefully kim gets her celebration tomorrow to get everything right again. :)

goldenlox
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:12 PM
John McEnroe used to do this all the time. To intimidate linespeople into not calling anything close against him.

But to curse and threaten a linesperson at match point, that's quitting, tanking the last point.

The more time that goes by, this was very funny. It's how Serena will be remembered.

Instead of you cannot be serious, she'll be remembered for I'll ram the fucking ball down your fucking throat, or something similar

vettipooh
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:22 PM
I fear she might be suspended from playing her doubles final.

mauresmofan
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:25 PM
Nike should make it their next t-shirt for her with a picture of her pointing and underneath her new catch phrase. I think they'd sell!

2moretogo
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:26 PM
This is what I attempted to type last night, but couldn't get it to post. They need to measure the level of her fines, and make a decision regarding her dubs. But this is so fucking sexist as well, Fernando Gonzalez, RG semi-final against Robin Soderling anyone? He was blatantly provoking the umpire and bullying a linesperson.

Just read to grand slam rulebook, and Serena can be defaulted from doubles as well. It is not automatic, but up to the tournament officals.

Further, not only will she probably be fined for Unsportsmanlike conduct, racquet abuse, and verbal abuse (each offense is punishable up $10,000.00 for each offense), she can be fined up to her prize money earnings for the default (singeles and doubles).

I dunno if they will do all that, but I have a feeling Serena will be made an example for the rest of the tour. This fine is going to be MAJOR.

VishaalMaria
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Whatever happens, I hope this teaches Serena a big lesson. In that, I'm not disappointed at what she said, I'm disappointed she lost.

2moretogo
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:29 PM
Just to add, I think an apology is MANDATORY, unless like Williamsser said she'll probably be suspended. But hey, what are the chances after this shit storm of her playing this fall?

Dodoboy.
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:31 PM
WOW! Kinda nervous now!

Horizon
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:32 PM
Poor Serena. Poor lines person. :lol:

This is going to be the defining moment of her career, people will look back and say, remember when she threatened to kill that lines person?

She is a great champion, but she really should have known better and her reputation is all but ruined. She was never exactly known as the most gracefull or "proper" women in womens tennis anyway, but this is just different. She doesn't really deserve this for what was a heat of the moment thing. Why can't she just swallow her pride and make the best of a bad situation, apologise?

Aside from that, how did she not win anyway? :o Pretty bad match from her, I expected better.

ce
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:33 PM
Serena :sad:
love ya girl :hug:

ED fan forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:35 PM
Did anyone see that the lineperson was smiling when she made the foot-fault call? I'm not trying to defend Serena but if I had just been footfaulted at a critical time in a match and looked over to see the offending linesperson grinning at the call I probably wouldn't be too impressed either.
Its a shame that the match ended like this but luckily this didn't happen in a final.

2moretogo
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:36 PM
Poor Serena. Poor lines person. :lol:

This is going to be the defining moment of her career, people will look back and say, remember when she threatened to kill that lines person?
She is a great champion, but she really should have known better and her reputation is all but ruined. She was never exactly known as the most gracefull or "proper" women in womens tennis anyway, but this is just different. She doesn't really deserve this for what was a heat of the moment thing. Why can't she just swallow her pride and make the best of a bad situation, apologise?

Aside from that, how did she not win anyway? :o Pretty bad match from her, I expected better.

By winning the grand slam. :shrug:

Feyd
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:36 PM
Well defaulting Serena in doubles would not be very fair to Venus, would it?

VishaalMaria
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:37 PM
Poor Serena. Poor lines person. :lol:

This is going to be the defining moment of her career, people will look back and say, remember when she threatened to kill that lines person?

She is a great champion, but she really should have known better and her reputation is all but ruined. She was never exactly known as the most gracefull or "proper" women in womens tennis anyway, but this is just different. She doesn't really deserve this for what was a heat of the moment thing. Why can't she just swallow her pride and make the best of a bad situation, apologise?

Aside from that, how did she not win anyway? :o Pretty bad match from her, I expected better.

Shut up. You're one of those people that WANTS her reputation to be ruined because you probably can't accept the fact that Serena is and always will be winning singles slams.

Serena will be remember for her fighting spirit/mental toughness.

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:41 PM
if they want to fined her okay
but why the hell don't they do this to every damn players?
J-Mac has probably said worse during his carrer, and players who speak another languagues too but she has to be the one to pay for everything for this I don't agree

Horizon
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:42 PM
By winning the grand slam. :shrug:
One of the defining moments then.

If I speak to my friends about her tomorrow, they'll know she's won a lot of majors and wimbledons. But they won't know she held all 4 at one time. They'll remember this forever.


Shut up. You're one of those people that WANTS her reputation to be ruined because you probably can't accept the fact that Serena is and always will be winning singles slams.

Serena will be remember for her fighting spirit/mental toughness.
No I generally like Serena, her tennis and her confidence, I wanted her to win.

Of course she will go down in tennis history as an all time great, but from the publics perspective, people will remember this. I feel sorry for her, it's been blown way out of proportion, you completely mis read what I meant. :confused:

delicatecutter
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:43 PM
Well Azarenka went over and actually touched a lineswoman and I don't think she suffered any consequences from that. :shrug:

VishaalMaria
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:45 PM
No I like Serena, I wanted her to win.

Of course she will go down in history as an all time great, but from the publics perspective, people will remember this. I feel sorry for her, it's been blown way out of proportion, you completely mis read what I meant. :confused:

Uhm not really. This isn't like a Martina Hingis, where she fails a drugs test and then retires. Martina Hingis "legacy" is tainted because of that

Serena will recieve a backlash for this but like she said, she'll "Move on" and then win more slams because she's a fighter. A fighter on and off the court.

You're pretty much remembered for what you do last. Hence Justine is remembered as a "quitter"[something that I don't neccessarily agree with anyway].

crazillo
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:47 PM
I respect Serena and her achievemtns, but even being pumped up in a match you can NEVER do something like that. It reveals aspects of her character that she should seriously be thinking about. Nobody says something like that for no reason...

LightWarrior
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:49 PM
Did anyone see that the lineperson was smiling when she made the foot-fault call? I'm not trying to defend Serena but if I had just been footfaulted at a critical time in a match and looked over to see the offending linesperson grinning at the call I probably wouldn't

Yes I noticed. She really provoked Serena twice : foot-fault, then smiling at Serena. Serena felt provoked (who wouldn't) and with her Taurus rising sign she bursted out without thinking a single second about the consequences. Do you know how a bull acts when he is provoked ? Serena is human and I'm sad that the whole thing is taking this turn and will blow out of proportion and may tarnish her career. Sad.

Pureracket
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:00 PM
Actually, I would love for Serena to announce a retirement. You vultures can sit around and pick and choose her punishment while this woman who is worth 370 million dollars could be chillin' on the beach somewhere. She defaulted, and that's about the only thing that should happen. I don't think tennis and the USTA want to get into a battle with Serena on this issue.

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:05 PM
I assume this is normal protocol.

I expect her to be vindicated.

Lindsayfan32
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:06 PM
A suspension isn't the way to go as Serena play bugger all after the US open any way which is her right to. I want to see her get a huge fine as it's more likely to have an impact with her than suspending her. Defaulting her from the doubles final isn't fair to Venus, her opponents and the fans. Let her play the doubles final and hit her with a big fine that will have more of an impact with her than a suspension ever will.

Lindsayfan32
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:08 PM
Actually, I would love for Serena to announce a retirement. You vultures can sit around and pick and choose her punishment while this woman who is worth 370 million dollars could be chillin' on the beach somewhere. She defaulted, and that's about the only thing that should happen. I don't think tennis and the USTA want to get into a battle with Serena on this issue.

Serena wouldn't have a leg to stand on. No matter if it was a foot fault or not that's not the issue. She abused a linesperson and she going to have to take her punishment like anyone else. It shouldn't just stop with the default. she should at least get a fine.

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:16 PM
I hope they find out that it wasn't a foot fault :haha:

LightWarrior
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:21 PM
A suspension isn't the way to go as Serena play bugger all after the US open any way which is her right to. I want to see her get a huge fine as it's more likely to have an impact with her than suspending her. Defaulting her from the doubles final isn't fair to Venus, her opponents and the fans. Let her play the doubles final and hit her with a big fine that will have more of an impact with her than a suspension ever will.

Since when does a fine - even huge - affect millionaires ? Only a suspension would affect her, but that's obviously not gonna happen.

amnorge
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Any punishment should only be the same as any other player who has recieved a point penalty for a similar thing. The fact that it's a slam semi final and serena williams should make any difference.

She wasn't defaulted as such, she only received a point penalty - it was just that it was at the wrong time.

borisbecker
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:27 PM
Serena has been robbed by an umpire for the third time in her career: first against Henin at the French, then against Capriati at the US Open, now against Clijsters at the US Open. Even the video replays don't help. Black players will always be robbed.

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:32 PM
Why do people keep mentionning McEnroe?

People, rules have changed since McEnroe times, we're in 2009.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:34 PM
If she apologizes, then a fine is sufficient.

If she doesn't apologize, then she should be suspended.

People have done and said worse...... And not apologized....... She should get the standard fine...if they try to do more toh er.... Serena will and should sue the tour....

bobbynorwich
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:34 PM
It's unlikely that the ITF will make her default the women's doubles final as that would hurt fans in the stadium and on tv who want to see the match.

I wonder if the tournament referee Brian Earley could have defaulted Serena in the singles match rather than given Clisjters an added point (in this case, match point). If he had defaulted her (thrown her out), she would have forfeited any points for the tournament which would have severely hurt her ranking.

Rather, he only added the point to Clisjters so that Serena still gets the points for making it to the semi-final. I think making an explicit threat to harm a line judge is grounds for an immediate default, but it is a discretionary call available to the tournament referee or chair umpire. Had the threat happened earlier in the match, she'd probably been defaulted as too contentious to continue the match with same linesman. So Serena probably got off relatively easy, all things considered.

Volcana
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:34 PM
All this is a bit silly. Maybe the linesperson made the wrong call, maybe they didn't. People make mistakes. That's why they use an electronic sytstm to back them up. Serena played tight. Lost her temper twice, and it literally cost her the match. If she didn't lose her temper at the end of the first set, she doesn't get the point deduction at the end of the second. If the rules call for fines for yelling at the linespersons, then a fine is clearly warranted. This really isn't that big a deal.

And thankfully, it wasn't the final, and Serena certainly wasn't playing as well of Clijsters anyway, so this doesn't taint anyone's title. In a month, we'll have forgotten about this.

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:35 PM
Well Azarenka went over and actually touched a lineswoman and I don't think she suffered any consequences from that. :shrug:
I think she "touched her hand" to say thank you. That was nothing threatening. That was kind of funny actually :lol:

is1531
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:36 PM
Serena has been robbed by an umpire for the third time in her career: first against Henin at the French, then against Capriati at the US Open, now against Clijsters at the US Open. Even the video replays don't help. Black players will always be robbed.

Your a bleepen racist.

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:36 PM
In a month, we'll have forgotten about this.

Um, what? In 10 years, people will still talking about this here.

is1531
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:36 PM
I think she "touched her hand" to say thank you. That was nothing threatening. That was kind of funny actually :lol:

That's the way it happened.

Vaidisova Ruled
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:37 PM
All this is a bit silly. Maybe the linesperson made the wrong call, maybe they didn't. People make mistakes. That's why they use an electronic sytstm to back them up. Serena played tight. Lost her temper twice, and it literally cost her the match. If she didn't lose her temper at the end of the first set, she doesn't get the point deduction at the end of the second. If the rules call for fines for yelling at the linespersons, then a fine is clearly warranted. This really isn't that big a deal.

And thankfully, it wasn't the final, and Serena certainly wasn't playing as well of Clijsters anyway, so this doesn't taint anyone's title. In a month, we'll have forgotten about this.
Nobody forgot about "the hand", the "Fo 99 Hingis drama". Few will forget about this one.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:38 PM
Yes I noticed. She really provoked Serena twice : foot-fault, then smiling at Serena. Serena felt provoked (who wouldn't) and with her Taurus rising sign she bursted out without thinking a single second about the consequences. Do you know how a bull acts when he is provoked ? Serena is human and I'm sad that the whole thing is taking this turn and will blow out of proportion and may tarnish her career. Sad.

nope, Serena's a bitch always has been. wont change.
A suspension isn't the way to go as Serena play bugger all after the US open any way which is her right to. I want to see her get a huge fine as it's more likely to have an impact with her than suspending her. Defaulting her from the doubles final isn't fair to Venus, her opponents and the fans. Let her play the doubles final and hit her with a big fine that will have more of an impact with her than a suspension ever will.

Standard fine, or the tour will face a lawsuit and have not grounds to stand on. Other players have done and said worse and havent even gotten a point penalty...... next please.

is1531
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:38 PM
All this is a bit silly. Maybe the linesperson made the wrong call, maybe they didn't. People make mistakes. That's why they use an electronic sytstm to back them up. Serena played tight. Lost her temper twice, and it literally cost her the match. If she didn't lose her temper at the end of the first set, she doesn't get the point deduction at the end of the second. If the rules call for fines for yelling at the linespersons, then a fine is clearly warranted. This really isn't that big a deal.

And thankfully, it wasn't the final, and Serena certainly wasn't playing as well of Clijsters anyway, so this doesn't taint anyone's title. In a month, we'll have forgotten about this.

Good point. I am ready for the next match.

supergrunt
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:40 PM
the linesperson was incompetent

Justin
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:50 PM
Serena has been robbed by an umpire for the third time in her career: first against Henin at the French, then against Capriati at the US Open, now against Clijsters at the US Open. Even the video replays don't help. Black players will always be robbed.

If "video replays don't help." how can you state that she was robbed? By your own post, you admit you don't know what the fuck happened. Yet, you go on to say she "has been robbed." :rolleyes:

As Dick Enberg appropriately said,"This is not how champions behave."

HippityHop
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:51 PM
Since when does a fine - even huge - affect millionaires ? Only a suspension would affect her, but that's obviously not gonna happen.


A multi-millionaire several times over.

slamchamp
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:51 PM
I think serena got a point penalty because she got a warning for breaking her racket first right?

HippityHop
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:56 PM
If "video replays don't help." how can you state that she was robbed? By your own post, you admit you don't know what the fuck happened. Yet, you go on to say she "has been robbed." :rolleyes:

As Dick Enberg appropriately said,"This is not how champions behave."

I wonder what McEnroe thought when he said that? :devil:

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:58 PM
I think serena got a point penalty because she got a warning for breaking her racket first right?

yes so point penalty 'cause she had two warnning
I don't think they'll do anything against her even fined because If it was that bad , they would have disqualified her and they didn't they "just" gave her another warning

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:58 PM
I wonder what McEnroe thought when he said that? :devil:

that he was an idiot and not a champion....

b_o_r
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Suspend Serena :lol: She already doesn't play. How about making her play ;)

gillian
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Rules are rules, for sure. If only penalties weer applied consistently...

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Suspend Serena :lol: She already doesn't play. How about making her play ;)

:confused::confused:

She's been playing everything she is supposed to this year, just losing early at non slams! :lol:

Mynarco
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:06 PM
I feel bad for Serena. Her emotion control was sooo good until this. It would definitely tarnish her achievement. Still, an athlete should know what can do and what can't. She surprised me that after 10 years+ in pro tennis circuit, she would make such an outburst in front of a 20000+ crowd. Serena is a talent, she should be genius. WTF is she doing?

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:06 PM
:confused::confused:

She's been playing everything she is supposed to this year, just losing early at non slams! :lol:

she prolly wants the vacation... I doubt Serena will play this fall anyways... (venus either for that matter for the knee)

ChriS.
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:09 PM
There is nothing to investigate. She lost her temper, said something inappropriate, lost the match because of it, after that she keep her cool because she knew it was her own fault. Blaming the line judge is just silly. I think she should get a fine and be warned about any repetition but nothing more.

50Sense
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:18 PM
They wont' punish her harshly. Because at the end of the day....this still is Serena Williams.

Tennis Ball
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:18 PM
It's unlikely that the ITF will make her default the women's doubles final as that would hurt fans in the stadium and on tv who want to see the match.

I wonder if the tournament referee Brian Earley could have defaulted Serena in the singles match rather than given Clisjters an added point (in this case, match point). If he had defaulted her (thrown her out), she would have forfeited any points for the tournament which would have severely hurt her ranking.

Rather, he only added the point to Clisjters so that Serena still gets the points for making it to the semi-final. I think making an explicit threat to harm a line judge is grounds for an immediate default, but it is a discretionary call available to the tournament referee or chair umpire. Had the threat happened earlier in the match, she'd probably been defaulted as too contentious to continue the match with same linesman. So Serena probably got off relatively easy, all things considered.

I agree, but also think she should have been defaulted immediately for this agressive behavior, no excuse to the circumstances. Her behavior had written 'default' all over it. She should get defaulted for her doubles match, sad consequences for others are never a factor in deciding if a player should get a default or not.

50Sense
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:20 PM
If "video replays don't help." how can you state that she was robbed? By your own post, you admit you don't know what the fuck happened. Yet, you go on to say she "has been robbed." :rolleyes:

As Dick Enberg appropriately said,"This is not how champions behave."

Was he not sitting next to John McEnroe for the better part of two weeks? Not at all trying to excuse Serena's behavior, but let's not pretend that she is the first or the last to have an emotional outburst.

sweetpeas
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:41 PM
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I fear she might be suspended from playing her doubles final.


If I was Serena i wouldn't play doubles anyway! If Serena stop playing tennis tommorow,

she be alright!No one give her anything,she work hard for it.She make's million on HSN.So let Nike cancel her contract...I what buy from them!Who spending mone y with Nike anyway.Not the kids home with mommy!

raquel
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:44 PM
This is going to be the defining moment of her career, people will look back and say, remember when she threatened to kill that lines person?

She is a great champion, but she really should have known better and her reputation is all but ruined. I disagree - she has achieved way too much for this to be her defining moment. People are comparing this to John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors but they shouted at officials countless times over their careers and that's why they have their reputations. I doubt very much it will ever be the same for Serena.

davidmario
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:46 PM
will there be two black tournaments on the williams calendar?

50Sense
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:49 PM
People will remember this incident like Jimmy Connors will be remembered for calling a chair umpire an abortion, and John McEnroe being defaulted from the 1990 Australian Open.

pokey camp
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Well Azarenka went over and actually touched a lineswoman and I don't think she suffered any consequences from that. :shrug:You know, I was much more offended by that than by Serena's foolishness.

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Andy Roddick has been living happily in the men's tour for ages despite insulting dozens chair and line umpires over the course of his career.
Nothing will happen to Serena.

Sadly, nothing will happen to that horrible Louise Engzell either -- the true evil witch who put a lot of efforts into ruining a wonderful tennis match.

TSequoia01
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:51 PM
Linesperson's call should also be investigated. Where are the definitive camera shots of the call?

-VSR-
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:07 PM
This has been way blown out of proportion. :rolleyes:

SharapovaFTW
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:16 PM
Blown out of proportion? Do you realize what she said? I guarantee McEnroe never said anything like that, nor has Andy Roddick. This was a clear threat towards another human being. If some of you don't realize how embarrassing this is for Serena Williams and the WTA as a whole then you are sadly either bias, or just clueless. There is no excuse for her actions out there and she deserves to be suspended. Think of all the young women who look up to Ms. Williams and saw that unfold last night. Think of all the young children in the stands that saw that unfold. Think of all the adults that had to explain to their children exactly what happened last night.

If anyone even supports what Serena Williams did fan or no fan they are a pathetic, down right low life of a human being because there is NEVER and I mean never a reason to act like that on the national stage in front of 1,000's of people, much less in an every day life setting. She is a joke and her true colors came out last night. Classless all the way. Always has, always will be.

50Sense
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:18 PM
Maybe her punishment will be to play Indian Wells from now until she retires :lol:

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:18 PM
Blown out of proportion? Do you realize what she said? I guarantee McEnroe never said anything like that, nor has Andy Roddick. This was a clear threat towards another human being. If some of you don't realize how embarrassing this is for Serena Williams and the WTA as a whole then you are sadly either bias, or just clueless. There is no excuse for her actions out there and she deserves to be suspended. Think of all the young women who look up to Ms. Williams and saw that unfold last night. Think of all the young children in the stands that saw that unfold. Think of all the adults that had to explain to their children exactly what happened last night.

If anyone even supports what Serena Williams did fan or no fan they are a pathetic, down right low life of a human being because there is NEVER and I mean never a reason to act like that on the national stage in front of 1,000's of people, much less in an every day life setting. She is a joke and her true colors came out last night. Classless all the way. Always has, always will be.

During the AO 07 semi against Federer, Roddick actually threw a racket that hit a linesperson on the sidelines.

SharapovaFTW
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:21 PM
During the AO 07 semi against Federer, Roddick actually threw a racket that hit a linesperson on the sidelines.

Some of you Serena fans are delusional. Are you really trying to compare that and say Roddick intentionally threw his racket a line judge? Like he looked at them, targeted them, and chucked it? How can you compare that to what Serena? These were words people. WORDS! As clear as day. I'm going to watch football. I find it sad some of you actually don't find anything she did last night wrong or disgraceful.

Noctis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Whatever Fine her than.
Without Serena Williams WTA is half dead.

archie4
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Serena needs to apologise NOW--not in six hours, in a day, or in a week. This could get ugly and out of control in a hury.

Scotso
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:23 PM
Klein was banned for six months for using a racial term. Surely threats like this warrant the same time at least. :shrug: But Klein wasn't rich and famous.

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:23 PM
Some of you Serena fans are delusional. Are you really trying to compare that and say Roddick intentionally threw his racket a line judge? Like he looked at them, targeted them, and chucked it? How can you compare that to what Serena? These were words people. WORDS! As clear as day. I'm going to watch football. I find it sad some of you actually don't find anything she did last night wrong or disgraceful.

Who cares if he AIMED for anyone? He intentionally threw a racket and it hit someone. It could have injured someone. People actually go to jail for things like that.

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:24 PM
Maybe her punishment will be to play Indian Wells from now until she retires :lol:

Yeah right :lol:. She shuts that down in her book, point blank with a "Hell no."

Noctis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:25 PM
Some of you Serena fans are delusional. Are you really trying to compare that and say Roddick intentionally threw his racket a line judge? Like he looked at them, targeted them, and chucked it? How can you compare that to what Serena? These were words people. WORDS! As clear as day. I'm going to watch football. I find it sad some of you actually don't find anything she did last night wrong or disgraceful.

Your more delusional Serena haters.
To think Serena would actually harm some person.
One question ' Has she ever harm a person even shes being cheated?'
NO NO NO Just Like I am gunna get you in the locker Room.
Serena has a family support and her friends and her true fans.You haters is nothing more than a little bug that she could squash just by walking past you.You wouldnt say this things infront of her would you.Because than you would be going to be cuff.Not Serena who don't do body harm to people.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:26 PM
So they will fine her. Big whoop.
She'll make up the money when her book is a NY Times bestseller after this incident.

If Ann Coulter can make millions making awful comments about 9/11 widows, I'm sure that Serena can do the same here with this situation.
I'm definitely buying her book now.

goldenslam888
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:27 PM
Whatever Fine her than.
Without Serena Williams WTA is half dead.

you've got to be kidding.:lol:

50Sense
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:28 PM
you've got to be kidding.:lol:

What other player could have garnered such a response?

Noctis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:29 PM
you've got to be kidding.:lol:

Wait I am the Wta is already dead,waiting for a revival.

sasha&tennis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:34 PM
This is totally over blown. Serena does not deserve to be fined she has already been robbed of a match with a bad call. If I was Serena I would retire, they would not have the pleasure of making money off of me any longer. To penalize Serena and leave that bad calling line judge around to call another match is wrong. The tennis system and rules are truly out dated and for that matter so is the fact that they still use line judges when they have technology that is more accurate. They need to take the human line judge eye out of the game because these people have their favorite tennis players also and it is easy to make a bad call if you dislike a player.

goldenslam888
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:41 PM
What other player could have garnered such a response?

no player is bigger than the wta, or any sports organization.

serena has been a part time player for years anyway.

most people watch womens tennis just to check out the girls.

serena made a mistake, and nearly all agree.

goldenslam888
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:44 PM
This is totally over blown. Serena does not deserve to be fined she has already been robbed of a match with a bad call. If I was Serena I would retire, they would not have the pleasure of making money off of me any longer. To penalize Serena and leave that bad calling line judge around to call another match is wrong. The tennis system and rules are truly out dated and for that matter so is the fact that they still use line judges when they have technology that is more accurate. They need to take the human line judge eye out of the game because these people have their favorite tennis players also and it is easy to make a bad call if you dislike a player.

robbed of a match where she was down a set and match points. lol.

kim beat venus and would have beaten serena. serena should adjust her feet next time. she was called for footfaults several times during the tournament.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:45 PM
This is totally over blown. Serena does not deserve to be fined she has already been robbed of a match with a bad call. If I was Serena I would retire, they would not have the pleasure of making money off of me any longer. To penalize Serena and leave that bad calling line judge around to call another match is wrong. The tennis system and rules are truly out dated and for that matter so is the fact that they still use line judges when they have technology that is more accurate. They need to take the human line judge eye out of the game because these people have their favorite tennis players also and it is easy to make a bad call if you dislike a player.

Of course she deserves to be fined for what she did, this kind of behaviour is unacceptable or do you think it was ok? Also, there isn't any angle available from which you can tell that it wasn't a foot fault. And she wasn't robbed of a match. Her bad behaviour cost her losing the point which happened to be a MP :wavey:

LightWarrior
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:33 PM
Whatever Fine her than.
Without Serena Williams WTA is half dead.

Except that this is an ITF event. Serena doesn't care about the WTA Tour any more, remember ?

Jem
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:42 PM
I wonder what McEnroe thought when he said that? :devil:

Didn't see the match last night, but fyi, mcenroe was defaulted out of the australian open one year for bad behavior. Think he was playing Mikael Pernfors and believe he may have been the first person defaulted out of a grand slam. They umpire tried to default Ilie Nastase in the 77 US Open -- oddly enough when he was playing McEnroe -- but the tournament referee overruled the decision and the match continued.

LightWarrior
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:01 PM
Didn't see the match last night, but fyi, mcenroe was defaulted out of the australian open one year for bad behavior. Think he was playing Mikael Pernfors and believe he may have been the first person defaulted out of a grand slam.

But this is different. Serena wasn't defaulted at all. She got a point penalty at 4/6 5/6 15/40, match over. The McEnroe thing is way more serious.

njnetswill
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:07 PM
I understand why Serena was upset, but ultimately she could have questioned the call without using the words she chose to use. A simple "How can you call that now?!" would have been fine and justified, in my opinion.

Poor Serena. Poor Kim. Poor scared lineslady lol.

Thanx4nothin
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:08 PM
Re someone else's post...I really did wonder about retirement after this match....Serena is exceptionally stubborn....I'd probably take the rest of the year off. Not life a tennis racquet from here on in until she prepares herself to win the AO again.

Thanx4nothin
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:08 PM
I understand why Serena was upset, but ultimately she could have questioned the call without using the words she chose to use. A simple "How can you call that now?!" would have been fine and justified, in my opinion.

Poor Serena. Poor Kim. Poor scared lineslady lol.

THIS

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:12 PM
Blown out of proportion? Do you realize what she said? I guarantee McEnroe never said anything like that, nor has Andy Roddick. This was a clear threat towards another human being. If some of you don't realize how embarrassing this is for Serena Williams and the WTA as a whole then you are sadly either bias, or just clueless. There is no excuse for her actions out there and she deserves to be suspended. Think of all the young women who look up to Ms. Williams and saw that unfold last night. Think of all the young children in the stands that saw that unfold. Think of all the adults that had to explain to their children exactly what happened last night.

If anyone even supports what Serena Williams did fan or no fan they are a pathetic, down right low life of a human being because there is NEVER and I mean never a reason to act like that on the national stage in front of 1,000's of people, much less in an every day life setting. She is a joke and her true colors came out last night. Classless all the way. Always has, always will be.

you seem like a really angry, irrational person. i'm sure you've thrown out a few threats and homophobic slurs in your lifetime. if that's the case, shouldn't you already be in jail?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: @ all these perfect people with their faux indignation and righteousness.

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:35 PM
you seem like a really angry, irrational person. i'm sure you've thrown out a few threats and homophobic slurs in your lifetime. if that's the case, shouldn't you already be in jail?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: @ all these perfect people with their faux indignation and righteousness.

he's talking like it's Serena who is raising those children . but don't you dare try to do this!
If parents don't want their children to see someone like her they won't. It's like in music you don't want your children to watch some clips or anything else turn the TV OFF that's it

Kenny
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:01 PM
It's just money, who fucking cares? Believe me.. even if they fine her the earnings of this slam, she won't give a damn. And I don't blame her!

Yonexforever
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:04 PM
FUCK THE WTA
John McEnroe did this shit all the time and said worse!
Connors also said worse... how quick McEnroe has forgotten that match against Nastase.
As i recall they gave that match to McEnroe TWICE then removed the chair umpire Frank Hammond, reversed the score AND continued the match at this very Us Open!
Smack of racism and a double standard.
Serena and Venus should fucking walk away and leave this mess of a tour in tatters.
See who they get to sell seats now.

Yonexforever
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:06 PM
She better NOT apologize... we dont need a all that public dressing down the way they expect Michael VIck.
If that senator can scream at a sitting President and REFUSE to apologize so can Serena!

RFSTB
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:09 PM
The saga continues...

Just have Serena make a public apology to the linesperson, and let's get this behind us.
I'm sure she won't do it again.
Or maybe she will, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

thrust
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:18 PM
I fear she might be suspended from playing her doubles final.

She should be! Also, she should lose all the money and ranking points she got at this tournament.

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:19 PM
why me? i didnt threaten anyone to kill him or her like she did.

she didn't
try again

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:22 PM
This is what I attempted to type last night, but couldn't get it to post. They need to measure the level of her fines, and make a decision regarding her dubs. But this is so fucking sexist as well, Fernando Gonzalez, RG semi-final against Robin Soderling anyone? He was blatantly provoking the umpire and bullying a linesperson.

She wasn't defaulted. She got a penalty point on match point.

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:24 PM
John McEnroe used to do this all the time. To intimidate linespeople into not calling anything close against him.

But to curse and threaten a linesperson at match point, that's quitting, tanking the last point.

The more time that goes by, this was very funny. It's how Serena will be remembered.

Instead of you cannot be serious, she'll be remembered for I'll ram the fucking ball down your fucking throat, or something similar

You cannot be serious. :rolleyes: Is Justine's hand incident how she will be remembered? Think about what you're saying. Because, you're just taking an opportunity to hate and not really being logical.

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:24 PM
someone know what Mary Jo told Serena ?

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Just to add, I think an apology is MANDATORY, unless like Williamsser said she'll probably be suspended. But hey, what are the chances after this shit storm of her playing this fall?

Williamsser is a WS hater and doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Why would they suspend her? Do you know how much revenue they would lose? Money is the bottom line for these people, not ethics. What is she supposed to apologize for? She was already penalized in the match. It's over. Can we just move on and let Kim have her glory?

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Poor Serena. Poor lines person. :lol:

This is going to be the defining moment of her career, people will look back and say, remember when she threatened to kill that lines person?

She is a great champion, but she really should have known better and her reputation is all but ruined. She was never exactly known as the most gracefull or "proper" women in womens tennis anyway, but this is just different. She doesn't really deserve this for what was a heat of the moment thing. Why can't she just swallow her pride and make the best of a bad situation, apologise?

Aside from that, how did she not win anyway? :o Pretty bad match from her, I expected better.

Please stop spreading lies.:rolleyes: I think 11 GS's and counting will be her defining moment. Why are you guys so sexist? Did John McEnroe's offensive and aggressive outbursts define his career?

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Well Azarenka went over and actually touched a lineswoman and I don't think she suffered any consequences from that. :shrug:

Exactly. Did she even get fined?

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:32 PM
Serena wouldn't have a leg to stand on. No matter if it was a foot fault or not that's not the issue. She abused a linesperson and she going to have to take her punishment like anyone else. It shouldn't just stop with the default. she should at least get a fine.

Who else has been punished in the same way for this?

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:35 PM
Um, what? In 10 years, people will still talking about this here.

That's exactly what you and the other haters want. :shrug: And, that's fine. As long as she moves on to win more GS's.

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:36 PM
If "video replays don't help." how can you state that she was robbed? By your own post, you admit you don't know what the fuck happened. Yet, you go on to say she "has been robbed." :rolleyes:

As Dick Enberg appropriately said,"This is not how champions behave."

Dick Enberg :haha:

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Who else has been punished in the same way for this?

Exactly Serena WOULD have a leg to stand on. All the previous incidents....If she gets more than the point penalty/ match cancelled she'd be in ever right to sue..... Heck other players doing cocaine get 2 month bans (I know she and martina dont get along, but Martina should contact her lawyers as well....)
Zvonereva acts a fool and nothing happens... Patty's been ridiculous her entire career... Players obviously cheating... Serena would have a HUGE foot to stand on that 1 of the first black superstars of the sport gets singled out...

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:39 PM
FUCK THE WTA
John McEnroe did this shit all the time and said worse!
Connors also said worse... how quick McEnroe has forgotten that match against Nastase.
As i recall they gave that match to McEnroe TWICE then removed the chair umpire Frank Hammond, reversed the score AND continued the match at this very Us Open!
Smack of racism and a double standard.
Serena and Venus should fucking walk away and leave this mess of a tour in tatters.
See who they get to sell seats now.

I don't recall them ever threatening a life of a USTA official, therefore it was not worse :lol:

Even JMac said he was finally topped in that department :tape:

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Blown out of proportion? Do you realize what she said? I guarantee McEnroe never said anything like that, nor has Andy Roddick. This was a clear threat towards another human being. If some of you don't realize how embarrassing this is for Serena Williams and the WTA as a whole then you are sadly either bias, or just clueless. There is no excuse for her actions out there and she deserves to be suspended. Think of all the young women who look up to Ms. Williams and saw that unfold last night. Think of all the young children in the stands that saw that unfold. Think of all the adults that had to explain to their children exactly what happened last night.

If anyone even supports what Serena Williams did fan or no fan they are a pathetic, down right low life of a human being because there is NEVER and I mean never a reason to act like that on the national stage in front of 1,000's of people, much less in an every day life setting. She is a joke and her true colors came out last night. Classless all the way. Always has, always will be.

Hater. :lol:

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:42 PM
Some of you Serena fans are delusional. Are you really trying to compare that and say Roddick intentionally threw his racket a line judge? Like he looked at them, targeted them, and chucked it? How can you compare that to what Serena? These were words people. WORDS! As clear as day. I'm going to watch football. I find it sad some of you actually don't find anything she did last night wrong or disgraceful.

Yes, they were only WORDS. Didn't anyone ever tell you about sticks and stones?

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:43 PM
That's exactly what you and the other haters want. :shrug: And, that's fine. As long as she moves on to win more GS's.

WTF are you talking about???

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:45 PM
no player is bigger than the wta, or any sports organization.

serena has been a part time player for years anyway.

most people watch womens tennis just to check out the girls.

serena made a mistake, and nearly all agree.

So why are you trying to crucify her?

Olórin
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:47 PM
As usual haters more hung up than anyone :haha:
Thank god for the Queen otherwise these people would have nothing in their lives :shrug:

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:48 PM
The saga continues...

Just have Serena make a public apology to the linesperson, and let's get this behind us.
I'm sure she won't do it again.
Or maybe she will, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

I hope she doesn't apologize. And knowing how Serena is, she won't. Justine didn't apologize for her appalling behavior. Neither has John McEnroe, Illie Nastase, Azaranka, Andy Roddick, Martina Nav. or Lleyton Hewitt.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:49 PM
I hope she doesn't apologize.

And why not if I may ask?

Just_lindsay
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:50 PM
Exactly Serena WOULD have a leg to stand on. All the previous incidents....If she gets more than the point penalty/ match cancelled she'd be in ever right to sue..... Heck other players doing cocaine get 2 month bans (I know she and martina dont get along, but Martina should contact her lawyers as well....)
Zvonereva acts a fool and nothing happens... Patty's been ridiculous her entire career... Players obviously cheating... Serena would have a HUGE foot to stand on that 1 of the first black superstars of the sport gets singled out...

Basically you're saying "nothing Serena does is ever wrong... because she's black." Get real. Serena is a diva. Venus doesn't behave like this. 99% of the other players on the WTA don't behave like this. If Serena is singled out, it's only because she is exceptionally awful...

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:51 PM
I don't recall them ever threatening a life of a USTA official, therefore it was not worse :lol:

Even JMac said he was finally topped in that department :tape:

I don't recall Serena doing it either. Stop spreading that stupid lie. :(

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:52 PM
Serena should apologize if the linesperson apologizes for the call.

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:52 PM
WTF are you talking about???

Are you having trouble comprehending what you read now? I don't know how much more clear I can be.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:53 PM
Basically you're saying "nothing Serena does is ever wrong... because she's black." Get real. Serena is a diva. Venus doesn't behave like this. 99% of the other players on the WTA don't behave like this. If Serena is singled out, it's only because she is exceptionally awful...

thats not what Im saying.... What Im saying is a standard has been set..... Tennis already faces a lot of warranted and unwarranted suspensions of racism...... If the FIRST player to be crucified for yelling at a linesman winds up being a black player....... the tour WILL and SHOULD get sued.....

Serena was wrong, she got the punishment they dole out for that anything more is out of line...

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:53 PM
And why not if I may ask?

Apologize for what? No one else, who's had worst outbursts on the court have apologized. Why does the black woman have to apologize?

Barrie_Dude
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:53 PM
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/match_reports/2009-09-13/200909131252819557531.html

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:54 PM
Basically you're saying "nothing Serena does is ever wrong... because she's black." Get real. Serena is a diva. Venus doesn't behave like this. 99% of the other players on the WTA don't behave like this. If Serena is singled out, it's only because she is exceptionally awful...

:bs: Have you watched 100% of all matches played? No. Then you can't make this claim. Plus there's evidence on video to the contrary, so you're talking out of your ass, as usual. :rolleyes:

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:54 PM
John McEnroe used to do this all the time. To intimidate linespeople into not calling anything close against him.

But to curse and threaten a linesperson at match point, that's quitting, tanking the last point.

The more time that goes by, this was very funny. It's how Serena will be remembered.

Instead of you cannot be serious, she'll be remembered for I'll ram the fucking ball down your fucking throat, or something similar
One thing is to say to the umpire you suck, or critize their job, but to threat a person like that, on TV in front of millions of people and fans, that is just poor, and it would not surprise me if this goes further than this.

AcesHigh
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:55 PM
:spit: The linesperson should apologize for doing her job before Serena apologizes for physically threatening her.

Wow. I may have overestimated the sanity and logic of some posters here.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:56 PM
Apologize for what? No one else, who's had worst outbursts on the court have apologized. Why does the black woman have to apologize?

Uhm, for her behaviour? So what others haven't apologized, two wrongs don't make a right.
As for the black woman... :tape:

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:57 PM
:spit: The linesperson should apologize for doing her job before Serena apologizes for physically threatening her.

Wow. I may have underestimated the sanity and logic of some posters here.

I don't think any apologies are in order, myself. Serena paid for her actions. The linesperson paid for hers. What else is there to discuss?

G1Player2
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:58 PM
One thing is to say to the umpire you suck, or critize their job, but to threat a person like that, on TV in front of millions of people and fans, that is just poor, and it would not surprise me if this goes further than this.

What a load of crock. :bs: Serena isn't the first person to do this. As it has been said John Mcenroe did this constantly. Did you see the 2002 Austrailian Open final with Jennifer Capriati? She cussed, bitched and moaned at some lines person. After Capriati did that, she had no more problems with that line person for the rest of the match. But, obviously, if it's a black woman, of course they blow it out of proportions. :rolleyes:

Stamp Paid
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Yes, when Andy Roddick apologizes for the shit he does on court, then Serena should.
Ive heard Roddick berate umpires worse than Serena did this linesperson.

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Uhm, for her behaviour? So what others haven't apologized, two wrongs don't make a right.
As for the black woman... :tape:

You can't hold one player to a higher standard than you do others who have behaved in the same manner and worse. You can't single out one player. And, if you do and that player happens to be black, it smacks of racial discrimination. Now do you understand?

And your little :tape: doesn't invalidate my point. It just shows your ignorance. :shrug:

Just_lindsay
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:00 PM
thats not what Im saying.... What Im saying is a standard has been set..... Tennis already faces a lot of warranted and unwarranted suspensions of racism...... If the FIRST player to be crucified for yelling at a linesman winds up being a black player....... the tour WILL and SHOULD get sued.....

Serena was wrong, she got the punishment they dole out for that anything more is out of line...

I think it is incumbent upon the WTA/ITF to follow their own bylaws, whether the player in question is Serena Williams or Barbora Zahlavova Strycova. If, say, Azarenka has a similar meltdown at next year's open I'd expect the consequences to be the same as they will be for Serena.

I don't buy Serena as a victim here, though. In fact, players like Serena and Sharapova seem to get away with a lot more questionable behavior than their less famous peers.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:01 PM
You can't hold one player to a higher standard than you do others who have behaved in the same manner and worse. You can't single out one player. And, if that player happens to be black, it smacks of racial discrimination. Now do you understand?
And your little :tape: doesn't invalidate my point. It just shows your ignorance. :shrug:

And I'm not doing that :wavey: I'm not really familiar with actions of people you mentioned earlier but if they were at fault, they should have apologized, just like Serena should do now.
It doesn't show my ignorance, it shows how amazed I am that you people see racism everywhere.

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:02 PM
What a load of crock. :bs: Serena isn't the first person to do this. As it has been said John Mcenroe did this constantly. Did you see the 2002 Austrailian Open final with Jennifer Capriati? She cussed, bitched and moaned at some lines person. After Capriati did that, she had no more problems with that line person for the rest of the match. But, obviously, if it's a black woman, of course they blow it out of proportions. :rolleyes:
Again one thing is to insult, curse someone and another is to make a threat phisically to someone. I thought you were better than that.

Vee Williams
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:05 PM
I don't understand why would Serena talk to the lines person like that. I would have shoved the ball down this person's throat without too much talking.

AcesHigh
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:05 PM
Yes, when Andy Roddick apologizes for the shit he does on court, then Serena should.
Ive heard Roddick berate umpires worse than Serena did this linesperson.

I don't ever remember Roddick threatening someone. There's a huge difference from calling someone a moron and telling someone you're going to do physical harm to them

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:06 PM
And I'm not doing that :wavey: I'm not really familiar with actions of people you mentioned earlier but if they were at fault, they should have apologized, just like Serena should do now.
It doesn't show my ignorance, it shows how amazed I am that you people see racism everywhere.
Not too along ago Kuerten hit a lineperson with the ball and got defaulted, he later apologized.

Mcenore on the seniors tour also had an incident with a kid and also had to apologize as well, he even give the kid a tennis lesson on court.

I assume that if Serena has some class in herself she would assume the facts and do what is right, make an apoligize for something that was wrong in many ways. Champions don´t act like that.

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:06 PM
And I'm not doing that :wavey: I'm not really familiar with actions of people you mentioned earlier but if they were at fault, they should have apologized, just like Serena should do now.
It doesn't show my ignorance, it shows how amazed I am that you people see racism everywhere.

But, they didn't and weren't made to.

It's ignorance to use the term "you people" and it's further ignorance to think I see racism everywhere.

Who are the "you people" you're referring to?

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:06 PM
I don't ever recall an incident that bad in the history of women's tennis. When has a tennis player ever threatened to cause harm to an umpire or lines person?

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:07 PM
I don't ever remember Roddick threatening someone. There's a huge difference from calling someone a moron and telling someone you're going to do physical harm to them

Roddick actually threw a racket that hit someone on the sidelines in his 07 AO semi against Fed.

AFTER he had gotten a warning for cursing.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:07 PM
I think it is incumbent upon the WTA/ITF to follow their own bylaws, whether the player in question is Serena Williams or Barbora Zahlavova Strycova. If, say, Azarenka has a similar meltdown at next year's open I'd expect the consequences to be the same as they will be for Serena.

I don't buy Serena as a victim here, though. In fact, players like Serena and Sharapova seem to get away with a lot more questionable behavior than their less famous peers.

I agree, and they have...and what Serena said was not the worse thing anyone has ever said... Id love to have a russian translator out on court....

At this point said got the point penalty for saying the f word.. which she should have she lost the match... she gets fined for having the warning AND the point penalty... Thats the end of it... I DO think they should review the foot fault and IF there was no foot fault the linesman should also face fines as should any other linesman for horrible calls..... It seems like these people go unpunished for being bad at their jobs....

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:07 PM
I don't ever remember Roddick threatening someone. There's a huge difference from calling someone a moron and telling someone you're going to do physical harm to them

No, he threw a racquet and it hit the linesperson. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't speak. :tape:

serenus_2k8
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Hewitt racially abused a black linesman during a match vs Blake. What happened to him?

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Not too along ago Kuerten hit a lineperson with the ball and got defaulted, he later apologized.

Mcenore on the seniors tour also had an incident with a kid and also had to apologize as well, he even give the kid a tennis lesson on court.

I assume that if Serena has some class in herself she would assume the facts and do what is right, make an apoligize for something that was wrong in many ways. Champions don´t act like that.

Really?? :lol:

G1Player2
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Again one thing is to insult, curse someone and another is to make a threat phisically to someone. I thought you were better than that.

:rolleyes: Of course you and other Serena haters will try to differentiate it this way. What Serena said was an empty threat. It was never going to happen and the linesperson knew this. I saw Capriati burts out in Austrailia that year multiple times and she was FAR worse than Serena and nothing happened to her. She also said "Shut that fucking baby up," although this was another match.

The thing is if Serena does it, there's this big hooplah and uproar about it even if others do the same behavior. :rolleyes: Don't try to play that :bs: that Serena threatened this linesperson as a means to classify this situation as something else when we compare it to others who have went off on linesmen.

G1Player2
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:11 PM
No, he threw a racquet and it hit the linesperson. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't speak. :tape:

:lol: I remember that. He apologized though, so I guess it was all good. But, there wasn't much talk about this either. I wonder why. :rolleyes:

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Roddick actually threw a racket that hit someone on the sidelines in his 07 AO semi against Fed.

AFTER he had gotten a warning for cursing.
I dont think that ever happened, and if he did must have been trying to get to a ball, because if he hit someone out of anger and not during play, she would have been DEFAULTED.

VishaalMaria
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:12 PM
I see people always making the point that the line judge was just doing "her job"; even I made that point but reflecting upon it now, it's just too much of a coincidence that the line judge called "foot fault" at 4-6 5-6 15/30 on a second serve where the actual "foot fault" was not conclusive. I've watched clips of Serena's second serve and the foot fault was not conclusive, in that it was too close to call.

Obviously if Serena's foot did cross over the line then pictures of Serenas foot would be surfacing right now. Pictures would be plastered all over the tennis world.

Therefore it makes me believe that the call was just bad judgement. It shouldn't have been made because the margins in this case were too narrow for the human eye, together with the fact that it was at a critical stage in the match, the line judge made a poor decision; poor job.

G1Player2
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:13 PM
I dont think that ever happened, and if he did must have been trying to get to a ball, because if he hit someone out of anger and not during play, she would have been DEFAULTED.

It happened. It wasn't intentional at all, but it DID happen. These Serena hating trolls are really grasping at straws today. :lol:

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:13 PM
I dont think that ever happened, and if he did must have been trying to get to a ball, because if he hit someone out of anger and not during play, she would have been DEFAULTED.

No. He missed a volley, and he LAUNCHED his racket out of anger, and it happened to hit someone sitting on the side.

The highlight videos probably show it, but I remember it perfectly.

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:13 PM
:rolleyes: Of course you and other Serena haters will try to differentiate it this way. What Serena said was an empty threat. It was never going to happen and the linesperson knew this. I saw Capriati burts out in Austrailia that year multiple times and she was FAR worse than Serena and nothing happened to her. She also said "Shut that fucking baby up," although this was another match.

The thing is if Serena does it, there's this big hooplah and uproar about it even if others do the same behavior. :rolleyes: Don't try to play that :bs: that Serena threatened this linesperson as a means to classify this situation as something else when we compare it to others who have went off on linesmen.
Do you really understand the difference from a insult to a phisical threatning?

Do you really are so delusional to tell me that both events are the same?

Amuse us.

AcesHigh
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Roddick actually threw a racket that hit someone on the sidelines in his 07 AO semi against Fed.

AFTER he had gotten a warning for cursing.

1. I'm guessing he didnt do it intentionally. Serena's actions were deliberate. And she went back after the first verbal assault for more.

2. Nevertheless, Roddick should have lost a point. If he didn't, he should have.

Either way, not comparable. If Serena screamed at no one in particular or found some other way to vent her frustration, this wouldnt be an issue. It wasn't just dumb to threaten the linesperson, which again, I dont remember anyone ever physically threatening a linejudge on this kind of stage, but she made the incredibly stupid decision to do it on MATCH POINT.

Hewitt racially abused a black linesman during a match vs Blake. What happened to him?

:lol: Hewitt never racially abused a line judge. I may be wrong, but he did something like complain vehemently to the chair umpire about the likeness of the linesman and James Blake and how it may be the cause of what he thought were bad calls. Bad taste and a wrong move but it was blown WAYYYY out of proportion.

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:14 PM
It happened. It wasn't intentional at all, but it DID happen. These Serena hating trolls are really grasping at straws today. :lol:
As i said, then it was an accident, not an out of ANGER outburst like Serena.

supergrunt
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Well if you take away the fact that the sport is tennis, and you take away the fact that Serena is a woman, you'll find that this type of incident is common in sports. To look at it any other way would be unfair. For instance, to say that the outburst was the worst outburst in women's tennis would be sexist.

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:15 PM
But such sounds soon gave way to nervous laughter and anticipatory groans as it became clear that Roddick had no answers to the tennis riddles that Federer kept posing. Roddick’s frustration eventually gave way to anger, and he could not even get that quite right. He smashed a ball into the stands after losing his serve to fall behind by 0-5. He accidentally lost his grip on the racket in the process, sending it hurtling toward a photographer courtside and earning him a code violation for unsportsmanlike conduct.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/26/sports/tennis/26men.html

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:15 PM
But, they didn't and weren't made to.

It's ignorance to use the term "you people" and it's further ignorance to think I see racism everywhere.

Who are the "you people" you're referring to?

And Serena won't be made to apologize too :shrug:
I wasn't necessarily talking about you but why the "Why does the black woman have to apologize" comment? Not easier to say Serena?

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:16 PM
1. I'm guessing he didnt do it intentionally. Serena's actions were deliberate. And she went back after the first verbal assault for more.

2. Nevertheless, Roddick should have lost a point. If he didn't, he should have.

Either way, not comparable. If Serena screamed at no one in particular or found some other way to vent her frustration, this wouldnt be an issue. It wasn't just dumb to threaten the linesperson, which again, I dont remember anyone ever physically threatening a linejudge on this kind of stage, but she made the incredibly stupid decision to do it on MATCH POINT.



:lol: Hewitt never racially abused a line judge. I may be wrong, but he did something like complain vehemently to the chair umpire about the likeness of the linesman and James Blake and how it may be the cause of what he thought were bad calls. Bad taste and a wrong move but it was blown WAYYYY out of proportion.

THROWING A RACKET AND HITTING SOMEONE is the same as threatening language? This is insanity.

G1Player2
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:16 PM
I see people always making the point that the line judge was just doing "her job"; even I made that point but reflecting upon it now, it's just too much of a coincidence that the line judge called "foot fault" at 4-6 5-6 15/30 on a second serve where the actual "foot fault" was not conclusive. I've watched clips of Serena's second serve and the foot fault was not conclusive, in that it was too close to call.

Obviously if Serena's foot did cross over the line then pictures of Serenas foot would be surfacing right now. Pictures would be plastered all over the tennis world.

Therefore it makes me believe that the call was just bad judgement. It shouldn't have been made because the margins in this case were too narrow for the human eye, together with the fact that it was at a critical stage in the match, the line judge made a poor decision; poor job.

It was totally bad judgement on the linesperson. I mean, not that rules should be changed or broken because it's a crucial stage in the match, but it was really too close to call to make that call and I think even the linesperson knew this. I don't even think she was confident about it. There has been no declarative prrof that it was actually a foot fault and considering Serena's past atrocities here at the US Open, including that ridiculous match she played against Capriati, Serena had every right to be suspicious. But, I wonder why Serena didn't clal out the tournament referee after that foot fault? :confused:

Rome
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:18 PM
I don't ever remember Roddick threatening someone. There's a huge difference from calling someone a moron and telling someone you're going to do physical harm to them

Come now I know Serena is strong but really shoving a tennis ball down someones throat:rolleyes: Is more like she was saying keeping your fucking trap close thats why she called her a lair;) I really don't see Serena shoving a tennis ball down this lines persons throat would I could see Serena doing is beating her down with that K-Blade:D

spencercarlos
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:18 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/26/sports/tennis/26men.html
Ok Roddick earned a code violation, and i am sure he apoligized to the linesperson. Still he got the same as Serena. But in my opinion he could have easily been DEFAULTED, i guess it was not out of anger.

VishaalMaria
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Serena doesn't owe an apology to anyone. She paid for her outburst in that she got a point penalty and lost the match.

A penalty is just that, a penalty.

Stamp Paid
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:19 PM
THROWING A RACKET AND HITTING SOMEONE is the same as threatening language? This is insanity.But Roddick didnt mean to do it, he just acccidentally struck someone with a racket. Serena meant that she would literally force the tennis ball down the linespersons throat.

:rolleyes:
Serena got what she deserved. She should do nothing more.

AcesHigh
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:21 PM
Yes, there's a difference between an ACCIDENT and purposefully threatening someone. :help: How can anyone not see that?

It's really alarming how people can justify Serena's actions or how people take physical threats so lightly.. but I'm guessing that Serena could have bashed the linesperson's head in and some posters would have said she deserved it.

G1Player2
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Do you really understand the difference from a insult to a phisical threatning?

Do you really are so delusional to tell me that both events are the same?

Amuse us.


What? Rewatch the match. Jennifer Capriati was making outbursts that entire match. Cussing, screaming, questioning every call, etc. But, in that 2nd set, she went nuts over a call that didn't go her way. She went to the umpire, and I might be paraphrasing her, and she said, "He's not doing his fucking job. I want him fucking out of here. Get him the fuck out of here." Hell, if I was like the Serena haters here, I could interpet her saying "I want him fucking outta here," as a potential physical threat. I mean it is an open statement that I could interpret in so many ways.

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Yes, there's a difference between an ACCIDENT and purposefully threatening someone. :help: How can anyone not see that?

It's really alarming how people can justify Serena's actions or how people take physical threats so lightly.. but I'm guessing that Serena could have bashed the linesperson's head in and some posters would have said she deserved it.

So actually risking serious physical harm and threatening physical harm are equal in your opinion? AMAZE.

Maybe I'm just loopy here, but negligently causing injury to someone is worse than saying you're going to cause injury.
If Serena had said "I could throw this racket at you!" it'd have been worse than Roddick actually doing it? That's what you think?

Stamp Paid
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:27 PM
Yes, there's a difference between an ACCIDENT and purposefully threatening someone. :help: How can anyone not see that?

It's really alarming how people can justify Serena's actions or how people take physical threats so lightly.. but I'm guessing that Serena could have bashed the linesperson's head in and some posters would have said she deserved it.Actually hitting someone with a racquet > threatening to stuff a tennis ball down someone's throat

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:28 PM
What's worse, me saying I'm going to run you over or accidentally doing it! Come on people. It was an empty threat that didn't induce any harm to the smirking lineswoman.

cn ireland
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Ok, i'm in no way condoning what Serena did but they have to take into account that it was a spur of the moment reaction rather than a pre-meditated attack.

A fine is sufficient punishment IMO!!

AcesHigh
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Actually hitting someone with a racquet > threatening to stuff a tennis ball down someone's throat

Actually hitting someone with a tennis racquet by ACCIDENT should not be punished more severely than intentionally threatening a line judge.

You seem to forget that Roddick hit someone by ACCIDENT. Roddick most likely apologized.

Hopefully Serena has the class to apologize. She sure as hell didn't have the class or the brain to keep her mouth shut. The racquet hit someone b/c it slipped out of his hand. He ddn't throw it at anyone.

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:35 PM
Actually hitting someone with a tennis racquet by ACCIDENT should not be punished more severely than intentionally threatening a line judge.

You seem to forget that Roddick hit someone by ACCIDENT. Roddick most likely apologized.

Hopefully Serena has the class to apologize. She sure as hell didn't have the class or the brain to keep her mouth shut.

Do you know the difference between accidental and negligent?

Just_lindsay
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:38 PM
What's worse, me saying I'm going to run you over or accidentally doing it! Come on people. It was an empty threat that didn't induce any harm to the smirking lineswoman.

Obviously it was an empty threat, but it was still a major breach of decorum and the punishment was appropriate. As a professional tennis player, it is up to Serena to know the rules of the game and she broke the rules. :wavey:

Stamp Paid
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:40 PM
Actually hitting someone with a tennis racquet by ACCIDENT should not be punished more severely than intentionally threatening a line judge.

You seem to forget that Roddick hit someone by ACCIDENT. Roddick most likely apologized.

Hopefully Serena has the class to apologize. She sure as hell didn't have the class or the brain to keep her mouth shut. The racquet hit someone b/c it slipped out of his hand. He ddn't throw it at anyone.OK what country do you live in? Because in the United States, negligence is not a valid excuse for causing physical harm to someone. You get in bigger trouble for negligent homicide than you do for just threatening to kill someone. (De am I right or wrong here? Gimme something from the Texas Criminal Code. lol)

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:42 PM
And Serena won't be made to apologize too :shrug:
I wasn't necessarily talking about you but why the "Why does the black woman have to apologize" comment? Not easier to say Serena?

For the reasons I stated before.

Who are the "you people" in your post?

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:44 PM
Obviously it was an empty threat, but it was still a major breach of decorum and the punishment was appropriate. As a professional tennis player, it is up to Serena to know the rules of the game and she broke the rules. :wavey:

Obviously.

But what is up to the people who make horrible calls? At the least they should be held accountable for making bad decisions, just like Serena.

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:45 PM
Yes, there's a difference between an ACCIDENT and purposefully threatening someone. :help: How can anyone not see that?

It's really alarming how people can justify Serena's actions or how people take physical threats so lightly.. but I'm guessing that Serena could have bashed the linesperson's head in and some posters would have said she deserved it.

Ask yourself this. Do you think Serena would have really physically assaulted the linesjudge? Or, are you blowing this out of proportion because you hate her so much?

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:47 PM
Actually hitting someone with a tennis racquet by ACCIDENT should not be punished more severely than intentionally threatening a line judge.

You seem to forget that Roddick hit someone by ACCIDENT. Roddick most likely apologized.

Hopefully Serena has the class to apologize. She sure as hell didn't have the class or the brain to keep her mouth shut. The racquet hit someone b/c it slipped out of his hand. He ddn't throw it at anyone.

Like you've never had an emotional and regrettable outburst. Let's just burn Serena at the stake and you'd feel better. Better yet, anybody got a cross and some nails?

hingisGOAT
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:49 PM
It's funny to see childish Serena fans defending her actions... when most commentators, sports writers, and people in general (judging from non-tennis forum discussions) see this incident in the same way: Serena was crazy, threatening, and tarnished her reputation.

Denise4925
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:49 PM
OK what country do you live in? Because in the United States, negligence is not a valid excuse for causing physical harm to someone. You get in bigger trouble for negligent homicide than you do for just threatening to kill someone. (De am I right or wrong here? Gimme something from the Texas Criminal Code. lol)

You're right.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:50 PM
For the reasons I stated before.

Who are the "you people" in your post?

Some Williams fans. Just go through some of the threads in GM and you will see yourself :)

Elisse
Sep 13th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Think there's a lot of excuses being made for Serena's behaviour by people on the board....what she did was unsporting and yes threatening....whether she just said it as words...doesn't matter..she still said it in front of millions of people watching and she should have held her temper.

As for the rest of the incident...she only got defaulted because she had already been given a warning earlier in the match...so she should have been more sensible...once again her own fault.

As for the foot fault, I personally don't think it was a foot fault...I think the lines person was wrong.........but so was Serena for overreacting. I know they had to wait two days for this match...rain delays...very stressful and it was match point...I can understand getting angry, especially when someone calls foot fault when it wasn't. But Serena should have kept her mouth shut and calmed down a bit...she went way over the top! I know it's not like her to get so angry and I do think it's out of character for her...but she did a stupid thing, can't let people get away with saying those sorts of things. Wish she had just apologised to the linesperson, sent her some flowers...and get over the whole situation....now, it's just snowballing...huge fines and a possible default from the doubles final.

I'm not a fan of Serena, but at the moment she is the best player on the Tour...she has been the most convincing in her matches at USO....this was the only match were she was really made to work hard.....and she let it get to her, would have expected better behaviour from her, even if it was a difficult situation and it's gonna be sad if they do make an 'example' of her, which will go on to taint her career and her past achievements on the Tour. I wonder if she would retire from the Tour if she was punished too harshly or unfairly...that would be very sad :sad:

All in all, the linewomen was just doing her job and didn't deserve to be spoken to in that manner by anyone, Serena should have acted with a bit more intelligence and respect...........and the one who has come out of this whole mess as the deserving champion, both on and off the court is Kim Clijsters...she was democratic in her words, respectful to all involved and it's great to have such good role model back on the Tour again :worship:

faboozadoo15
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:52 PM
All this is a bit silly. Maybe the linesperson made the wrong call, maybe they didn't. People make mistakes. That's why they use an electronic sytstm to back them up. Serena played tight. Lost her temper twice, and it literally cost her the match. If she didn't lose her temper at the end of the first set, she doesn't get the point deduction at the end of the second. If the rules call for fines for yelling at the linespersons, then a fine is clearly warranted. This really isn't that big a deal.

And thankfully, it wasn't the final, and Serena certainly wasn't playing as well of Clijsters anyway, so this doesn't taint anyone's title. In a month, we'll have forgotten about this.

You're delusional if you think this will be so easily forgotten. This is the biggest breech of conduct a woman has possibly ever displayed on a tennis court.

Even without smashing her racquet, what she did to the umpire would warrant an automatic default.

The Daviator
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:29 PM
It's funny to see childish Serena fans defending her actions... when most commentators, sports writers, and people in general (judging from non-tennis forum discussions) see this incident in the same way: Serena was crazy, threatening, and tarnished her reputation.

Are you sure you want to go down this route? Just looking at your avatar, I mean.....

Denise4925
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:01 AM
Think there's a lot of excuses being made for Serena's behaviour by people on the board....what she did was unsporting and yes threatening....whether she just said it as words...doesn't matter..she still said it in front of millions of people watching and she should have held her temper.

As for the rest of the incident...she only got defaulted because she had already been given a warning earlier in the match...so she should have been more sensible...once again her own fault.

As for the foot fault, I personally don't think it was a foot fault...I think the lines person was wrong.........but so was Serena for overreacting. I know they had to wait two days for this match...rain delays...very stressful and it was match point...I can understand getting angry, especially when someone calls foot fault when it wasn't. But Serena should have kept her mouth shut and calmed down a bit...she went way over the top! I know it's not like her to get so angry and I do think it's out of character for her...but she did a stupid thing, can't let people get away with saying those sorts of things. Wish she had just apologised to the linesperson, sent her some flowers...and get over the whole situation....now, it's just snowballing...huge fines and a possible default from the doubles final.

I'm not a fan of Serena, but at the moment she is the best player on the Tour...she has been the most convincing in her matches at USO....this was the only match were she was really made to work hard.....and she let it get to her, would have expected better behaviour from her, even if it was a difficult situation and it's gonna be sad if they do make an 'example' of her, which will go on to taint her career and her past achievements on the Tour. I wonder if she would retire from the Tour if she was punished too harshly or unfairly...that would be very sad :sad:

All in all, the linewomen was just doing her job and didn't deserve to be spoken to in that manner by anyone, Serena should have acted with a bit more intelligence and respect...........and the one who has come out of this whole mess as the deserving champion, both on and off the court is Kim Clijsters...she was democratic in her words, respectful to all involved and it's great to have such good role model back on the Tour again :worship:

I agree with everything you've said, except that you're overlooking the fact that the reason why her fans are coming to her defense is becuase her haters have called her every bad name under the sun in this forum and have posted things that are false. With that said, the tennis establishment has allowed others to get away with worse, and now they are making Serena an example in the midst of all of the things she's had to put with on the tour for the last ten years and in this tournament. A bigger deal has been made of this than what she had to endure during IW. No one suggested taking that tournament off the tour or fining it for allowing a 17 year old to be abused like she was. Ironically she was playing Kim Clijsters when that happened.

Everyone makes mistakes and she made one. But, it doesn't warrant the harshest punishment possible. She was fined and has admitted to regretting losing her temper and saying the things she said. I just think this thing has been blown way out of proportion. I regret that she let the situation get to her, but I don't think it will ever happen again, because like you said, it's really out of character for her to do something like this.

Denise4925
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:06 AM
Some Williams fans. Just go through some of the threads in GM and you will see yourself :)

You do realize that a great number of her fans on this message board are white, asian and hispanic. We are not all black.

Dunlop1
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:07 AM
Are you sure you want to go down this route? Just looking at your avatar, I mean.....

:haha::haha::haha:

Infiniti2001
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:10 AM
Are you sure you want to go down this route? Just looking at your avatar, I mean.....

Ouch:lol::help:

Denise4925
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:12 AM
Are you sure you want to go down this route? Just looking at your avatar, I mean.....

:tape::lol:

Dunlop1
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:12 AM
You're delusional if you think this will be so easily forgotten. This is the biggest breech of conduct a woman has possibly ever displayed on a tennis court.

Unnecessary drama. It can be gone in like 5 months time. It's all up to Serena.

If Serena defends her title at the AO, in AO 07 style, no one will even remember this incident.

If she continues to be her b1tchy self and disrespect the tour and make stupid comments about Rome and Madrid and that whole real #1 business (while playing like ass outside of slams), people will keep bringing it up and she will basically reap what she sows.

Denise4925
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:14 AM
Unnecessary drama. It can be gone in like 5 months time. It's all up to Serena.

If Serena defends her title at the AO, in AO 07 style, no one will even remember this incident.

If she continues to be her b1tchy self and disrespect the tour and make stupid comments about Rome and Madrid and that whole real #1 business (while playing like ass outside of slams), people will keep bringing it up and she will basically reap what she sows.

Like Justine?

Dunlop1
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:17 AM
Like Justine?

:rolleyes:
No like Serena

Denise4925
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:18 AM
:rolleyes:
No like Serena

No, like Justine. :) They talk about the hand incident everytime they mention her name.

G1Player2
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:20 AM
No, like Justine. :) They talk about the hand incident everytime they mention her name.

:lol: They mention that along with all the other incidents that made Justine such a lousy sport.

Dunlop1
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:21 AM
No, like Justine. :) They talk about the hand incident everytime they mention her name.

I can't remember the last time I heard anyone talk about the hand, much less her retiring against Momo in AO final.
That's because she came back in 07 and played lights out tennis and blitzed the whole tour.

If Serena comes back in 2010 and does half of that, no one will remember this incident.

But as arrogant as she is, she will find a way to let her mouth be her own worst enemy.

Denise4925
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:25 AM
I can't remember the last time I heard anyone talk about the hand, much less her retiring against Momo in AO final.
That's because she came back in 07 and played lights out tennis and blitzed the whole tour.

If Serena comes back in 2010 and does half of that, no one will remember this incident.

But as arrogant as she is, she will find a way to let her mouth be her own worst enemy.

I have and I'm sorry for you and your faulty memory.

StrippedToBasics
Sep 14th, 2009, 06:26 AM
Haha they're making fun of themselves.... REALLY? A warrant investigation? People all over the world say I will kill you and there is no need for a warrant huh? Serena happens to be a top-tennis player and this incident happens to be caught (??) on tape... Serena said something worng, no discussion but a warrant is just ridiculous...

Pat Bateman
Sep 14th, 2009, 11:00 AM
Ummm...dearie, to "warrant investigation" means an investigation is deemed necessary.
Or in other words, they are 'looking into it'.

Dorcas Monjimbo
Sep 14th, 2009, 12:06 PM
I do not support Serena because I think she is above the way she acted but then the lines referee in doing her job had a provocative attitude. She smiled when she called the fault and smiled again after Kim was declared winner. It was like, good, I had you nailed. However, I think Serena should lift up her head and apologise to her fans.

slamchamp
Sep 14th, 2009, 02:46 PM
serena should apologise, what she did has no excuse

Denise4925
Sep 14th, 2009, 09:46 PM
This thread is till open? Hmmm...

-jenks-
Sep 14th, 2009, 09:48 PM
I wonder what all these people defending Serena's actions would say if Justine had done the same thing

gmokb
Sep 14th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Guys, she has apologized, any other penalties and fines you are wishing for will have to wait until the end of the investigation. Until then back off and leave her alone. Isn`t your favs doing anything worthwhile and worthy of your admiration and praise.

Donny
Sep 14th, 2009, 09:51 PM
I wonder what all these people defending Serena's actions would say if Justine had done the same thing

Personally, I like when players chew out people who deserve it. Maria saying "Allez up four f**cking a**" was one of the best moments of that FO, and I'm not even particularly a Maria fan.

Serendy Willick
Sep 14th, 2009, 09:52 PM
I wonder what all these people defending Serena's actions would say if Justine had done the same thing
There wouldn't be an investigation, commentators would be scrambling to defend her:rolleyes::rolleyes:

-jenks-
Sep 14th, 2009, 09:53 PM
There wouldn't be an investigation, commentators would be scrambling to defend her:rolleyes::rolleyes:

seriously? :lol:

of course, EVERYONE is against the Williams :rolleyes:

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 14th, 2009, 09:54 PM
I wonder what all these people defending Serena's actions would say if Justine had done the same thing

you just loooooove drama don't you? why don't you just enjoy your girl's victory and stop instigating.

Journeywoman
Sep 14th, 2009, 10:03 PM
For as big of a deal as it is warranting to only have done 10,500 dollar fine is not continuous with this publicity.

ITF probably won't suspend Serena from slams because of her sheer star power, but something more needs to be done Serena can make 10K by showing up for 30 seconds.

hammerhead
Sep 14th, 2009, 10:13 PM
The ITF/Grand Slam committee should look into Serena's behavior. It's not the first time she has threatened someone at a grand slam. She threatened Martinez-Sanchez at the French Open saying the same words "You don't know me...", and telling the ref "she better not come to the net again" (as in, I will hit her with the ball), and "I will get you in the locker room." If that's not a physical threat, what is? Surely she can win without all this threatening behavior.

Denise4925
Sep 14th, 2009, 10:52 PM
The ITF/Grand Slam committee should look into Serena's behavior. It's not the first time she has threatened someone at a grand slam. She threatened Martinez-Sanchez at the French Open saying the same words "You don't know me...", and telling the ref "she better not come to the net again" (as in, I will hit her with the ball), and "I will get you in the locker room." If that's not a physical threat, what is? Surely she can win without all this threatening behavior.

Good god. :lol:

Serendy Willick
Sep 14th, 2009, 11:14 PM
The ITF should suspend Martinez-Sanchez for being a liar and a cheat.

serenus_2k8
Sep 14th, 2009, 11:27 PM
The support Serena has recieved speaks for itself. Some of you need to look into some real issues within this world - there are genuine acts of violence and other injustices that kill and ruin lives - why dont you go worry yourselves about them, not about whether Serena was OTT in her reaction towards a lineswoman.

Matt01
Sep 14th, 2009, 11:29 PM
The ITF should suspend Martinez-Sanchez for being a liar and a cheat.


Yeah, and they should give Serena an award for exposing the incompetent lineswoman :hearts:

serenus_2k8
Sep 14th, 2009, 11:43 PM
Yeah, and they should give Serena an award for exposing the incompetent lineswoman :hearts:

It was only a matter of time that Serena snapped after all the bs incompetence at the US. At least she didnt physically assault the lineswoman like Vika at Wimb :)

Why when Alves made a mistake her apology was accepted and we moved on, but when Serena makes the mistake we need to keep bringing the issue up time and time again.

supergrunt
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:13 AM
she's going to get a long suspension

serenus_2k8
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:16 AM
she's going to get a long suspension

Suspend her til the AO for all I care. She would love some R&R no doubt. The tour would do just great with Kim looking after her baby and spending time with her sis, V&S out (since Vee is not gonna play if Serena is banned) Kuzzys mental game looking dodgy and Safina looking fatigued. No number 1 or GS champ playing will be awesome :drool:

Matt01
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:20 AM
It was only a matter of time that Serena snapped after all the bs incompetence at the US. At least she didnt physically assault the lineswoman like Vika at Wimb :)


Is there a video of this? I doubt that that was worse than what Serena did to the lineswoman.

supergrunt
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:22 AM
Suspend her til the AO for all I care. She would love some R&R no doubt. The tour would do just great with Kim looking after her baby and spending time with her sis, V&S out (since Vee is not gonna play if Serena is banned) Kuzzys mental game looking dodgy and Safina looking fatigued. No number 1 or GS champ playing will be awesome :drool:

it might be longer

Slutiana
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:34 AM
Is there a video of this? I doubt that that was worse than what Serena did to the lineswoman.

There is. :lol: Serena may have SAID that she wanted to shove a ball down a line judge's throat, but Vika had JUST lined up herself to do just that. I forgot who, bt the american commentator almost had a heart attack.

Slutiana
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:37 AM
UeFdKE4BBNo

Venus: "OK, wait, are you getting aggressive with me?"

she was FUMING. :hysteric: Thats DEFINITELY going into my next video. :lol:

supergrunt
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:50 AM
i had no idea that the press was so rude

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:57 AM
she's going to get a long suspension

just curious, where are you getting your information? or is it a hunch on your part?

supergrunt
Sep 15th, 2009, 12:59 AM
just curious, where are you getting your information? or is it a hunch on your part?

no its just a hunch- its just as good as yours :sad:

BlameSerena
Sep 15th, 2009, 01:09 AM
All I have to say is GO VEE! RUDE PRESS. UGH

supergrunt
Sep 15th, 2009, 01:21 AM
haha the reporter said that serena should "grow up" and then got scared and changed his wording :p

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 15th, 2009, 01:23 AM
Venus dragged 3 people today without much effort :haha:

Matt01
Sep 15th, 2009, 01:27 AM
Venus dragged 3 people today without much effort :haha:


She's class :hearts:

Justin SW
Sep 15th, 2009, 01:32 AM
Vee owned the press conference :yeah: Hell yeah!

MisterMan
Sep 15th, 2009, 01:52 AM
Your true colors come out in fits of frustration. What you saw in that semi final was the REAL Serena. what you see in commercials, talk shows, etc is fake.
She most likely didn't even write that lame "apology" and in private is probably still demeaning that poor woman.,

BlameSerena
Sep 15th, 2009, 01:56 AM
I love how people can speculate on what Serena's doing in her private life when they don't know shit about her really. We all have moments like this. Fed just had one of his own.

sunset
Sep 15th, 2009, 01:59 AM
I thought Serena had more class than this :sad:

Nope sorry :lol: Serena has no class :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

BlameSerena
Sep 15th, 2009, 02:01 AM
Nope sorry :lol: Serena has no class :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Oooh that hurt!
A classless bum calling Serena classless!

:lol::lol:

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 15th, 2009, 03:25 AM
I hope they suspend her from playing for a whole year (now until 2011), strip her of her earnings from the US Open and disqualify their title, awarding it to Black/Huber.


In 2011....I'd be scared of Serena if I were the WTA :scared:

Sharapower
Sep 15th, 2009, 03:28 AM
There is. :lol: Serena may have SAID that she wanted to shove a ball down a line judge's throat, but Vika had JUST lined up herself to do just that. I forgot who, bt the american commentator almost had a heart attack.
Vika shook a line judge's hand. What a crime!

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 15th, 2009, 03:30 AM
UeFdKE4BBNo

Venus: "OK, wait, are you getting aggressive with me?"

she was FUMING. :hysteric: Thats DEFINITELY going into my next video. :lol:

:sobbing: that was SO hard to sit through :sobbing:

bobbynorwich
Sep 15th, 2009, 04:34 AM
Following the upcoming ITF investigation to this incident, according to its disciplinary rules for "aggravated misconduct," Serena could be liable for up to a $250,000 fine and being barred from any of 1-4 upcoming Slam tournaments. Her belated 'apology' is a last ditch effort to avoid any of those possible penalties.

supergrunt
Sep 15th, 2009, 04:40 AM
where's that from?

Stamp Paid
Sep 15th, 2009, 04:43 AM
UeFdKE4BBNo

Venus: "OK, wait, are you getting aggressive with me?"

she was FUMING. :hysteric: Thats DEFINITELY going into my next video. :lol:Tell them Vaynus

http://i25.tinypic.com/2gvqyyo.gif

In The Zone
Sep 15th, 2009, 05:15 AM
I hope Federer is investigated, too.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 15th, 2009, 06:46 AM
:lol:

"Are you getting aggressive with me?"

:haha: :haha:

Venus shuts suckas DOWN! :lol:

"basically, the crowd was booing Patrick. So, I was trying to help HIM out." :lol: :lol: Some PR Jujitsu on 'em.

:lol: at Venus throughout this presser. She is through with 'em. Forget Serena. I would not want to be on the bad side of VENUS. :scared: