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Lin Lin
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:26 AM
:):confused::wavey:

Ian Aberdon
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:27 AM
Doesn't matter - SHOULDN'T matter - if it's the first point of the match or the last. YES.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:29 AM
It'd be so hard calling that against my favorite player, but what's fair is fair. I'd probably get turned on being cussed out by Serena like that.

SVK
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:30 AM
YES, if someone donīt, then he is cheater...and itīs no matter if itīs QR1 in 10K challenger or SF in a grandslam

Of course as VeeReeDavJCap81 said itīs hard calling it against your fave

Bosco123
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:30 AM
off course not, it wasn't a clear foot fault, you don't call a foot fault for the first time in such stage of the match. If the player has a tendency to foot fault and has done so through the whole match, than it's valid, but not in this scenario.

Wolkenvanger
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:31 AM
Rules are rules. Maybe it's not the American mentality, but it's definitely the Dutch one.

Bartoli's Boy
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:32 AM
Yeah, I would. :p I'm one of those people who feel they have to do the supposed right thing all the time, even though it's not in their own self interest and everyone will hate them for doing it.

It's some kind of disease, I think. :unsure:

fnuf7
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:33 AM
Indeed, if it's rule it should stand regardless of the score, the player, the situation of the match, the significance of the match or the point.

Lin Lin
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:34 AM
Indeed, if it's rule it should stand regardless of the score, the player, the situation of the match, the significance of the match or the point.

Me too,probably:unsure:,hope people won't criticise me:(

scheele
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:40 AM
Yes. It doesn't matter how foul mouthed the player is. The player remains the idiot, not the line judge.

fnuf7
Sep 13th, 2009, 10:42 AM
Me too,probably:unsure:,hope people won't criticise me:(

:lol: Sorry I edited my post to take out the part where I said if it were me I think I would have probably kept quiet :tape: I decided I wasn't sure what I'd do...I'd want to follow the rules but not sure if I'd have the guts to do so on such an important point.

Aaric
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Of course I would, rules are rules. Thatīs all

markdelaney
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:10 AM
Yes because the likelihood of having some screaming hysterical threat is unlikely with those 2 ladies in court.

markdelaney
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:12 AM
If the player has a tendency to foot fault and has done so through the whole match, than it's valid, but not in this scenario.

Oh so YOU think you only call the foot fault if the player has a tendency to foot fault anyway ?

So what next ? we don't call a double fault at 5-6 15-30 if the player doesn't have a tendency to double fault ?

Bosco123
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:18 AM
Oh so YOU think you only call the foot fault if the player has a tendency to foot fault anyway ?

So what next ? we don't call a double fault at 5-6 15-30 if the player doesn't have a tendency to double fault ?

no, if a player has a tendency to foot fault, that means that something is wrong with his technics that he can't control and then it's only logical that he will repeat it again and again even at MP down.

Serena's doesn't foot fault, it is not logical that suddenly she started foot fault. The line judge wanted to influence the outcome of the match, the empire should have ouerruled that call.

markdelaney
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:28 AM
no, if a player has a tendency to foot fault, that means that something is wrong with his technics that he can't control and then it's only logical that he will repeqat it again and agian even at MP down.

Serena's doesn't foot fault, it is not logical that suddenly she started foot fault.

The timing of the Foot fault does raise up quetions of racism, and yes I'm a Jewish and my family in the past suffered from racism in Europe and if there is someone who can recognize racism - it's me.


It is perfectly logical that someone serving at 5-6 15-30 second serve, 2 points from losing a major match is more likely to foot fault.Stefan Edberg did it in a big match to lose his serve and leave his opponent serving for the match People foot fault..Be they Serena Williams or a qualifier.

So let me guess this right, if Harel Levy foot faults it is because he is Jewish and the line judge is anti semitic?

If you want to bring racism into it somebdy could suggest Serena only abused the lineswoman because she appears to be Asian ?

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:32 AM
I am a line judge and I call footfaults each time I see them. I have no difficulties with shouting it e.g. on 9-8 at match tie-break as I've done lately. For sure I would do it also at Grand Slam like lady from Asia did. :)

Bosco123
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:42 AM
It is perfectly logical that someone serving at 5-6 15-30 second serve, 2 points from losing a major match is more likely to foot fault.Stefan Edberg did it in a big match to lose his serve and leave his opponent serving for the match People foot fault..Be they Serena Williams or a qualifier.

So let me guess this right, if Harel Levy foot faults it is because he is Jewish and the line judge is anti semitic?

If you want to bring racism into it somebdy could suggest Serena only abused the lineswoman because she appears to be Asian ?

Actually in most of Shahar Peer's matches that I watched, I noticed that the majority of the close calls were against her. Racism exists, I actully think that the Asian woman might not have done it in purpose and might have done it sub conscienely after years of bad education. I would bet my house that the Asian woman doesn't have any black friends.

chris whiteside
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:48 AM
Indeed, if it's rule it should stand regardless of the score, the player, the situation of the match, the significance of the match or the point.

You've got it spot on. Nothing more to be said.

markdelaney
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:49 AM
I actully think that the Asian woman might not have done it in purpose and might have done it sub conscienely after years of bad education. I would bet my house that the Asian woman doesn't have any black friends.

Well I think the only answer then is to have African American officials only in any of Serena's matches in future. But first we'd better vet them to ensure they don't have any attitude towards Jehovah Witnesses !

Bosco123
Sep 13th, 2009, 11:55 AM
Well I think the only answer then is to have African American officials only in any of Serena's matches in future. But first we'd better vet them to ensure they don't have any attitude towards Jehovah Witnesses !

Ha ha, you're actually funny, but the solution to this problem is so simple - just add a camera just before the far line and let the player challenge a foot fault. It's actually a lot cheaper than Hawk eye because the legs of the person serving doesn't move in high velocity so 1 camera in each side of the court will suffice and I believe that's what will have in the future- you'll see.

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:00 PM
no. the ultimate question is whether Serena gained any advantage by the stepping on the line by a mm. Can anyone raise a hand in good faith and say she did?

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:01 PM
I would:shrug:

nfl46
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Yes, I would call it; what is right is right...end of story. Serena should have watched the placement of her foot...she's NO ROOKIE.

goldenlox
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:29 PM
They are taught to call every point the same.

Notre Dame won a national championship but a ref called holding on the TD return, and they weren't champions.

Sometimes official calls determine who's the champ.

markdelaney
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:30 PM
Ha ha, you're actually funny, but the solution to this problem is so simple - just add a camera just before the far line and let the player challenge a foot fault. It's actually a lot cheaper than Hawk eye because the legs of the person serving doesn't move in high velocity so 1 camera in each side of the court will suffice and I believe that's what will have in the future- you'll see.


Yes being able to challenge a foot fault should be allowed. They have enough cameras and the technology.

crazillo
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Of course, it is their job. If they didn't, any player could just serve from the net... I mean seriously, it's their duty to do so.

manu
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:51 PM
I am by far a bigger fan of Kim Clijsters, but by no means would I have ever called this foot fault. Why?

1. The foot fault was VERY debatable, it was very subtle. I am assuming it WAS indeed a foot fault, but it was a very close call.

2. To do this on such a huge point, on such a huge occasion, you just know that you will totally destroy the match. In the defence of the lineswoman: she probably didn't think at all about the effect her call would have and was probably just doing her job. But did she look at the player's feet like that during the entire match? I'm seriously doubting that... In soccer the referees can sometimes "destroy" a match by being too strict. Well, that's exactly what happened here. Serena didn't deserve this. But she should've controled her temper, or at least she should've formulated her words differently.

manu
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:52 PM
no. the ultimate question is whether Serena gained any advantage by the stepping on the line by a mm. Can anyone raise a hand in good faith and say she did?
Well said.

Kart
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:54 PM
If I were a lines judge, I'd call a foot fault based on whatever training and experience I had.

tenn_ace
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:55 PM
I am by far a bigger fan of Kim Clijsters, but by no means would I have ever called this foot fault. Why?

1. The foot fault was VERY debatable, it was very subtle. I am assuming it WAS indeed a foot fault, but it was a very close call.

2. To do this on such a huge point, on such a huge occasion, you just know that you will totally destroy the match. In the defence of the lineswoman: she probably didn't think at all about the effect her call would have and was probably just doing her job. But did she look at the player's feet like that during the entire match? I'm seriously doubting that... In soccer the referees can sometimes "destroy" a match by being too strict. Well, that's exactly what happened here. Serena didn't deserve this. But she should've controled her temper, or at least she should've formulated her words differently.


I thought that about yours as well.

Zippy
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:58 PM
What type of question is this? Just saying if it's my JOB, my DUTY, my PROFESSION to call it the way I see it within the game of tennis. Then how, no why would I even consider comprimising MY INTEGRITY and also the integrity of the sport?

Sean.
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:04 PM
Doesn't matter - SHOULDN'T matter - if it's the first point of the match or the last. YES.

This.

A foot fault is a foot fault, if I saw it I'd call it!

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:08 PM
Rules are rules. Maybe it's not the American mentality, but it's definitely the Dutch one.

:o :rolleyes: spare us, kthxbai

off course not, it wasn't a clear foot fault, you don't call a foot fault for the first time in such stage of the match. If the player has a tendency to foot fault and has done so through the whole match, than it's valid, but not in this scenario.
EXACTLY, if it's not CLEAR, don't call it. It's like they say, if a ball is 99.9% out, than it's 100% in.

Yes. It doesn't matter how foul mouthed the player is. The player remains the idiot, not the line judge.
Well if the line judge made an errant FF call, she doesn't quite look like a genius.
Yes being able to challenge a foot fault should be allowed. They have enough cameras and the technology.
AGREED.
This.

A foot fault is a foot fault, if I saw it I'd call it!
Would you call it only if you were 100% sure, or would you call it if you were pretty sure?

manu
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:12 PM
A very interesting article on the subject:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/13/781274/-In-Tennis,-No-Support-For-The-Williams-Sisters-

To put it differently:
Who of you has ever seen a foot fault, excuse me - a very debatable foot fault, or even just a call without a fault - being called against a player on such a big occasion at such an important moment in the match?

I have never seen that.

And once again: I am not a Serena fan, but a Clijsters fan. I don't accuse the lineswoman of being dishonest, she did her job in all honesty, but she DID destroy the match with this. If the foot fault was CLEARLY a foot fault, I would have defended her, but not in this case.