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mboyle
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:56 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.

Singleniacki
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:57 AM
Idk???

ZeroSOFInfinity
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:58 AM
The replay I saw showed her foot did touch the line... but I can't be sure - maybe it was the angle.

Need to see a clip of that on Youtube again.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:59 AM
Hell to the no.

bmxbandit
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:59 AM
Was the backhand against Capriati out?

Same shit again.

jefrilibra
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:59 AM
It didnt look like one to me.

Young 8
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:59 AM
oh cmon...you don't call foot fault at that stage of the match

it's like in the NBA where you don't call "soft" fouls in the last 2 minutes

Geisha
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:00 AM
didn't look like it, but...you need to refocus...shocking.

Keegan
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:00 AM
I'm sorry, were you right next to them?
Did you hear Serena threaten the woman?
Until there's proof, keep it shut.

How would you feel if you got foot faulted? You'd feel pretty fucked off, wouldn't you? It's what happens in the world of tennis.

Salve
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:01 AM
Now asks us who cares about your opinion.....

Sally Struthers
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:01 AM
I disagree. It's not like she was really going to shove the thing down the lady's throat. They're just words said in the heat of battle.

LoLiTa08
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:01 AM
She was just nervous and in tension we are all human beings and we sometimes lose control .

Rafito.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:02 AM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAA! Best thing ever. I cant stand her.

Mightymirza
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:02 AM
Yeah the reply they showed seemed like the foot did touch the line.. Serena should have just kept her head.. It just seemed like couple of big serves and she would be back in the set! Just very Stanford ish performance..

Young 8
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:02 AM
YOU DON'T CALL FOOT FAULT at that stage of the match


PERIOD

spiceboy
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 AM
So she is down to play..."Madrid and Rome" :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.bvblackspin.com/media/2009/07/serena-williams-looking-at-my-titles.jpg

SharapovaFTW
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 AM
Hard to tell, but her foot did clearly slide up when she was going into her motion. I don't agree with the call, but it could've went either way.

dybbuk
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 AM
Is there proof that she said that to the linejudge? I turned off my tv when she shook hands with Kim, and I hadn't seen it. I just really can't imagine Serena saying that. It's too bizarre and over the top, even for Serena. I'm not gonna take the word of a woman who seems to be the only one who heard it. I really would like proof in some form or another.

WowWow
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 AM
Exactly!!!

LDF
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 AM
YOU DON'T CALL FOOT FAULT at that stage of the match


PERIOD

This.

I'm all for following the rules ardently, but come on, at such a critical stage of the match, if it's a foot fault by the TINIEST of margins (which I imagine this one was, if it even was), some leeway should be given.

Prizeidiot
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:03 AM
She might have I don't know.

But at that point in the match there has to be discretion from the linesperson, especially when it's that marginal.

But once Serena abused the linesperson, the penalty had to be paid unfortunately.

bmxbandit
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:04 AM
Your opinion != facts.

Quite frankly, I believe your opinion is dumb.

CR3WLFC
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:04 AM
Im the biggest serena fan now

who joins team serena ? ?

Mynarco
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:04 AM
Serena should just keep her head and try her best to save 2 MPs.
It's a BIG NO to shout at the judge IN HER FACE.

What happened Rena?

bandabou
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:04 AM
You don't call it at that stage of the match. Come on!

SharapovaFTW
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:04 AM
Did McEnroe in any of his tirades ever say they were going to kill someone? I think a line has to be drawn somewhere.

santhuruu
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:05 AM
I disagree, it was not even a footfault in the first place and secondly Serena did not even say I am going to kill you, did you see the reaction on her face? I have lost all the respect for the USOPEN Officials/ USTA actually, first of all the footfault was not even a footfault, secondly that Chinese idiot lying to get some attention to tell a lie to the chair umpire to get the feeling she matters or something like that, you could tell it of her face. Even Clijsters thought it was ridicilous! Thirdly to even default your own countrywoman.

Well I actually hope Serena doesn't turn up on her interview, and that she does not going to play Fed Cup! And I still hope she does not play Indian Wells, I hope for this edition of the USOPEN it will be ruined by rain!

Noctis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:05 AM
:banana:

Congrats Kim on USO 09 :D

mirzalover
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:05 AM
I disagree. It's not like she was really going to shove the thing down the lady's throat. They're just words said in the heat of battle.

Exactly






I also dont like how people are throwing "ghetto" here either. Ive been to plenty of sport events and heard many a white athelete go completely off on the refs yet they just have a "temper" :rolleyes: or in the heat of battle.

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:05 AM
Did classless Serena actually say that? Wow :lol:

Geisha
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:06 AM
lmao ive told ppl far worse, get off ur high horse

Bijoux0021
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:06 AM
I'm sorry, were you right next to them?
Did you hear Serena threaten the woman?
Until there's proof, keep it shut.

How would you feel if you got foot faulted? You'd feel pretty fucked off, wouldn't you? It's what happens in the world of tennis.
EXACTLY!

au_sports_opinion
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:06 AM
She should just apologise, it was heat of the moment bla bla

Kipling
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Give it a rest. People want to know why Serena Williams is not held in the same esteem as the greats in the game's history and this is a perfect example of precisely why. Calls--good or bad--are a part of the game. Every player has had calls go against them that they felt weren't right. SHe's the only one I ever heard threaten to kill a linesperson.

She needs to be suspended.

SharapovaFTW
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Well I heard a fan clearly say "Yes you did!" when Serena denied what she was told she had said. And that fan voice came right from behind where that lines person was sitting. I just replayed it on TIVO and clearly heard that.

Eduardo Oliveira
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:07 AM
I HATE you Serena.

gmokb
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:07 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.

Oh go and play with yourself. She did not foot fault and the only fucking duty that pathetic woman had was to call the game properly and she couldn't even do that. Serena should have smashed her racket into her face.:mad:

Mynarco
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:07 AM
OMG Serena :o
but I'm surprised she cannot keep her composure.

sunset
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:07 AM
Never had any respect to begin with. The real Serena came out. :lol: :lol:

Serena was getting smoked anyway.

LoLiTa08
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:08 AM
Did McEnroe in any of his tirades ever say they were going to kill someone? I think a line has to be drawn somewhere.

so when he swear he meant he is to going to rape someone ? cmon now we all know she didnt really want to kill her .

Eduardo Oliveira
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:08 AM
She said :" I will kill you" , this is the information ;)

LeRoy.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:08 AM
Get over yourself and back to singing Uhhhhhhmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaazzzing Graaaaaaaaaaace already :rolleyes: :o

TennisSTUD
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:08 AM
Pathetic

petesz
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:08 AM
Eruo-T comment

I disagree, it was not even a footfault in the first place and secondly Serena did not even say I am going to kill you, did you see the reaction on her face? I have lost all the respect for the USOPEN Officials/ USTA actually, first of all the footfault was not even a footfault, secondly that Chinese idiot lying to get some attention to tell a lie to the chair umpire to get the feeling she matters or something like that, you could tell it of her face. Even Clijsters thought it was ridicilous! Thirdly to even default your own countrywoman.

Well I actually hope Serena doesn't turn up on her interview, and that she does not going to play Fed Cup! And I still hope she does not play Indian Wells, I hope for this edition of the USOPEN it will be ruined by rain!

hacberto
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:08 AM
That was nothing I thought Serena was gonna hit that bitch!!
I was almost crying saying " Please Serena do not hit her!!" I didn't care that she lost the match really, I like Kim!!

mykarma
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:09 AM
You don't call it at that stage of the match. Come on!
Why is shit always with Serena and Venus? Bad calls against Serena is the main reason that players now have challenges. To bad it had to end this way.

soulja_boy_swag
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:09 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.

serena could care less about your respect for her, and the crowd was booing the call not serena,you hope she get booed again, big deal, your the one lying saying she only showed up to four tournaments this year, and your a big liar claiming to be a student at duke university, lmao

nikita771
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:09 AM
They are showing a replay, showing Serena threaten to shove the ball down her f---- throat. I can definitely understand her being upset, but she's going to have to learn to control herself.

Noctis
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:09 AM
She did apologise to Kim.

Uranium
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM
First of all, I HIGHLY doubt Serena said "I will kill you", but whatever.
I don't think she did, but I didn't get a good look. Also it's really weird that most of the foot fault calls have been against the WS this event:scratch:

Olórin
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM
Give it a rest. People want to know why Serena Williams is not held in the same esteem as the greats in the game's history and this is a perfect example of precisely why. Calls--good or bad--are a part of the game. Every player has had calls go against them that they felt weren't right. SHe's the only one I ever heard threaten to kill a linesperson.

She needs to be suspended.

You are a joke.

Any excuse to belittle Serena as a great and you leap on it. Stick to the topic at hand. It was a call at a ridiculous moment. She should have rammed her racquet down the line judges throat.

Than apologised...

Nicolás89
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM
It was a foot fautl, at least it looked clear for the replay I saw, but that lines woman was such a bitch. I would of kill her myself if she did that to me at that stage of a matrch. :o

2moretogo
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM
You all will be back next week, as soon as Dinara starts playing again...:lol:

Bijoux0021
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM
Exactly


I also dont like how people are throwing "ghetto" here either. Ive been to plenty of sport events and heard many a white athelete make says completely go off on the refs get they just have a "temper":rolleyes: or in the heat of battle.
Well, to some people, blacks are "ghetto." Whites lose their "temper."

Infiniti2001
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:11 AM
She told the woman she'd shove the ball where the sun doesn't shine :haha: How did it turn to I will kill you? I wish CBS would play the audio :shrug:

Adaora
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:11 AM
I don't think she foot-faulted, but still no reason for her outburst.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:11 AM
Tha haters always come out in droves when there is controversy surrounding Serena Williams. She's a bitch, she's always been, and always will be. Deal with it!

bmxbandit
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:11 AM
It doesn't even matter if she foot faulted ! She bullied a little lineswoman so badly that she RAN to the chair in FEAR :help:

Wrong. The umpire called the linesperson to come over. Try again.

2moretogo
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:12 AM
Serena's pocketbook is going to get a readjustment...

Can someone tell me then if they are out of dubs then?

Pinkie
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:12 AM
Chill out. She lost her cool in a spur of the moment kind of thing. Methinks losing this match is punishment enough.

sunset
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:12 AM
Yes she should be banned from tennis completely. No surprise, I have always known Serena was a phony.

The crowd is still cherring for Kim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

soulja_boy_swag
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:12 AM
why john macenroe is considered an hero when he curses at the linesmen and when the other female players smash their racquets they think its so cute

Kunal
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:12 AM
I've always supported Serena, but this was really not called for.

Although it seems like the call was wrong, the result is fair.


Thats just not on and I don't want to see any histrionics in the post match interview.
Accept it.

Bijoux0021
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:13 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.
Shut the hell up, mboyle! When did you ever have respect for Serena?:o

gmokb
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:13 AM
Give it a rest. People want to know why Serena Williams is not held in the same esteem as the greats in the game's history and this is a perfect example of precisely why. Calls--good or bad--are a part of the game. Every player has had calls go against them that they felt weren't right. SHe's the only one I ever heard threaten to kill a linesperson.

She needs to be suspended.

You should have been suspended from this board but alas you are still here so I think Serena will be there too.:mad:

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:13 AM
I'll shove that ball down that women's fucking throat for you, Serena.

Singleniacki
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:13 AM
Period.

Caipirinha Guy
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:13 AM
You don't call it at that stage of the match. Come on!

Rules are rules. Foot faults could be called at every stage of the match.
Please don't even try to discuss it. It would be ridiculous.:rolleyes: And I won't tell anything about Serena's behaviour.:tape: Just no words.:tape::help:

2moretogo
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:13 AM
She's already in the interview room.

Serena is in high spirits...

vml
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:13 AM
I disagree, it was not even a footfault in the first place and secondly Serena did not even say I am going to kill you, did you see the reaction on her face? I have lost all the respect for the USOPEN Officials/ USTA actually, first of all the footfault was not even a footfault, secondly that Chinese idiot lying to get some attention to tell a lie to the chair umpire to get the feeling she matters or something like that, you could tell it of her face. Even Clijsters thought it was ridicilous! Thirdly to even default your own countrywoman.

Well I actually hope Serena doesn't turn up on her interview, and that she does not going to play Fed Cup! And I still hope she does not play Indian Wells, I hope for this edition of the USOPEN it will be ruined by rain!

ME TOO ! She's got even more respect in France !

bandabou
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:14 AM
I can understand that some folks would lose respect. I think it was a heat of the moment thing. Come on..4-6 5-6 15-30, second serve..you don't call foot fault unless it's obvious!

sunset
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:14 AM
The crowd is still cherring for Kim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Serena has shown again why so many people booo her.

MarieC
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:15 AM
Whether she did or not you don't make that call at that point in a match unless the foot is way over the line.

Nicolás89
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:15 AM
Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again.

The crowd wasn't booing at her. I think they were booing the situation.

bmxbandit
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:16 AM
I HATE you Serena.

So, you hate a person that you never met? Good for you. Maybe if all of us used this negative energy for something else, the world would be a better place.

Olórin
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:17 AM
Mboyle, you really are completely useless :rolleyes:

-VSR-
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:18 AM
I've gained all the respect in the world for Serena. Put that dumbass in her place.

tak
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:19 AM
This is the cheating open. What footfault?

I think some people will do anything to cheat a William.

OZTENNIS
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:19 AM
Whether you are or are not a Serena Williams fan, I think we were all rather shocked at her lacklustre performance today.

It is completely understandable, given her poor form and obvious nerves, that she blew her fuse. Everyone of us is bound to do it at some stage in our lives, and more than once.

Thing is, we don't live our lives on a tennis court, in front of tens of thousands of fans, the world media and hundreds of millions of viewers on TV.

That said, Serena's outburst at the end of the match, especially if she did 'threaten to kill' the lineswoman, was unacceptable and disappointing.

However, until we really know what was said and the full story, I suggest everyone uses some common sense and diplomacy.

Threads like 'Serena should be banned from all Grand Slam tournaments' next year are complete spam and utter rubbish. Please, if you think Serena acted in an inappropriate way, do not dip to her level and come out with this sort of nonsense.

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:19 AM
I disagree, it was not even a footfault in the first place and secondly Serena did not even say I am going to kill you, did you see the reaction on her face? I have lost all the respect for the USOPEN Officials/ USTA actually, first of all the footfault was not even a footfault, secondly that Chinese idiot lying to get some attention to tell a lie to the chair umpire to get the feeling she matters or something like that, you could tell it of her face. Even Clijsters thought it was ridicilous! Thirdly to even default your own countrywoman.

Well I actually hope Serena doesn't turn up on her interview, and that she does not going to play Fed Cup! And I still hope she does not play Indian Wells, I hope for this edition of the USOPEN it will be ruined by rain!

What does the fact that she's "Chinese" have anything to do with this, you racist piece of trash.

SAISAI-GOAT
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:19 AM
just think that after this loss, she will just be injured for Tokyo, Beijing and Doha :shrug:

Sean.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:20 AM
oh cmon...you don't call foot fault at that stage of the match

You call a foot fault if you see a foot fault, no matter what the score.

I don't know what Serena said, but yelling at a line ludge like that is completely unnacceptable!

au_sports_opinion
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:20 AM
Serena just said she misconstrued that the linesjudge accused her of threatening to kill her.

So it must've been hit you or something.

Dav.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:21 AM
People are saying there should be leeway? So should linespeople stop calling faults on crucial points as well? Rules are made for a reason.

Young 8
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:21 AM
I don't like Serena but cmon.........this is HIGH ROBBERY

Bijoux0021
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:21 AM
This is the cheating open. What footfault?

I think some people will do anything to cheat a William.
There's no question about that.

mykarma
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:22 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.
Serena said she didn't threaten to kill the woman and the woman confirmed that Serena didn't say that. Get it straight.

Daniela-Is-Mine
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:22 AM
WE SHOULD FOCUS ON HOW SAD IT IS FUCKING CAROLINE WOZNIACKI IS IN A GS FINAL :bigcry:

petesz
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:23 AM
Yes, it is.

What does the fact that she's "Chinese" have anything to do with this, you racist piece of trash.

AnnaMariaMartina
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:23 AM
This type of anger and outburst is typical of steroid rage.

The real Serena takes center stage for all to see.

What an embarrassment to the game and America.

Serenita
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:23 AM
No

mykarma
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:24 AM
Did McEnroe in any of his tirades ever say they were going to kill someone? I think a line has to be drawn somewhere.
Serena didn't either, now what?

Chrissie-fan
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:25 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.
If we want perfect bahavior from all players under all circumstances we're better of if we let the game be played by robots instead of people. Stuff happens, we're all human, even top tennis players. As a Belgian I'm happy that Kim is in the final, but even though I'm not a Serena fan I feel kinda sorry for her that it had to end this way. When Capriati of whom I was a fan was playing she was under fire all the time for being kinda "the bad girl of the tour." Often from Serena fans by the way.:D But I'm not going to change my tune now that the same thing will no doubt happen to one of my favorite players main rivals. So, don't worry about it Serena fans. All the arrows that are pointed in her direction don't mean anything and won't stop her from winning again in the future. Once the dust settles this incident will be nothing more than a footnote to an otherwise brilliant career.

SvetaPleaseWin.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:25 AM
serena is god.

Izzie.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:26 AM
Foot faulting at that point in the match is ridiculous.
Serena reacted in an absurd way--she could've yelled other things, like 'how could you do that at this stage'?

I'm not a Serena fan, at all, but that was low.

2moretogo
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:26 AM
Are they df'd in doubles?!!!!

Young 8
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:28 AM
You call a foot fault if you see a foot fault, no matter what the score.



oh yeah....how about Nadal taking 50 SECONDS BETWEEN SERVES every frickin time


how many Warning does he receive ?

usually 1...for the entire match

TheFifthAvocado
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:29 AM
YOU DON'T CALL FOOT FAULT at that stage of the match


PERIOD

I don't buy this bullshit excuse for one second. If she didn't call the foot fault, then imagine how cheated Kim would have felt going back and watching the match. Fucked, considering you can call footfaults on Serena at 3-whatever in the first set but too pussy to call them at 15-30 two points away from the match. Rules are followed, for this reason exactly.

dwynn10
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Serena Williams' chronic unsportsmanlike behavior finally caught up with her, for all the world to see. This is not how great champions comport themselves. The real "Serena" was unmasked tonight for the classless, mean-spirited being that she is. How sad to have a player that should represent her country well, but, instead, embarrass herself and her country in front of the world.

It really doesn't matter what she said exactly to that lineswoman. One could see clearly that her words and gestures were threatening and abusive in nature, and as such were a violation of the code of conduct. CBS's replay showed undeniably the repeated use of profanity. Williams's defensive and blatantly self-serving post-match interview put her in an even worse light, if possible. She's a champion, only in terms of wins. She's a loser, in terms of decency and humanity.

Nicolás89
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:32 AM
Judge yourself. To me it was a clear call but I don't know.:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11hYBWAQ6IQ

Alizé Molik
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:33 AM
she was right up in the woman's face, no one deserves that just trying to do their job. It was unsportsmanly conduct and the umpire was right to repremand her. I'm not shocked that serena fans are defending her, but I doubt they'd be making so many excuses for any other player.

bandabou
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:35 AM
Rules are rules. Foot faults could be called at every stage of the match.
Please don't even try to discuss it. It would be ridiculous.:rolleyes: And I won't tell anything about Serena's behaviour.:tape: Just no words.:tape::help:

No excuses for Serena.she lost her cool.

The footfault wasn't even that obvious, but ok..

virtue05
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:37 AM
You know while watching this match I could not believe what was happening; if the line judge would not have called foot fault the score would have still been 15-30, a big difference from 15-40. There is also the question of if, Serena could come back and win the match, she has done it before. And I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it is weird how both Venus and Serena had foot faults called on them, and I didn't see it happening with other players. I also remember certain players dropping the F Bomb, with no penalties directed towards them.

Joana
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:39 AM
I can totally understand Serena's frustration, but there was nothing else the umpire could have done. Clearly the umpires cannot have the players bullying the linespeople when things don't go their way.

TheFifthAvocado
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:41 AM
YOU DON'T CALL FOOT FAULT at that stage of the match


PERIOD

I don't buy this bullshit excuse for one second. If she didn't call the foot fault, then imagine how cheated Kim would have felt going back and watching the match. Fucked, considering you can call footfaults on Serena at 3-whatever in the first set but too pussy to call them at 15-30 two points away from the match. Rules are followed, for this reason exactly.

MisterMan
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:42 AM
LoL. McEnroe didn't say a word or smile, just stared blankly.
Love that Mary.

The Daviator
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:42 AM
I'm a fan, so I'm biased, but it was said in the heat of the moment and it was an extremely intense point in the match, so she deserves a break, she doesn't go walking down the street making threats, I was surprised that she reacted like that, but you have to consider the circumstances.

bandabou
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:43 AM
Not defending Serena. Shouldn't have gone into the face of the lineswoman. Once she did it, she was a goner.

But even I, who wasn't playing the match, had a reaction of: WHATTTT??!!! How can she call that now?

If Serena-haters can't understand that part, then they're hypocrites more than they call us.

mickymouse
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:43 AM
Anybody who unleashed at the linesperson that way (inlcuding shaking her racket menacingly at her) deserved a warning. It was just unfortunate that she'd already gotten another warning earlier for breaking her racket, thus leading to the point penalty, which unfortunately was on match point. I agree that the foot fault call was dubious though. To call it at that point, I think any player would have thrown a tirade.

Olórin
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:44 AM
Serena has stated many times that she's a good actress. Yet again, she is correct.

goldenboi356
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:45 AM
All i say is that her true character really showed, especially in uncommon circumstances such as this. serena should have asked for a replay of the fault, and tried not to lơse her temperament.

tennislover
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:45 AM
no

but her reaction was indefensible

slk45
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:45 AM
Predictable responses from some of the predictable "posters".

It's too bad the match ended that way, not only for Serena but for Clijsters as well. My question is - is a challenge available for a footfault call? Or was Serena out of challenges? I only saw the last 5 games of the match.

oh cmon...you don't call foot fault at that stage of the match
I can understand that some folks would lose respect. I think it was a heat of the moment thing. Come on..4-6 5-6 15-30, second serve..you don't call foot fault unless it's obvious!
You call it when you believe it happens, no matter what the score.
Hantuchova was called for a time violation on match point at San Diego either 2004 or 2005. It was her 2nd violation, so she lost the point and the match.

It doesn't even matter if she foot faulted ! She bullied a little lineswoman so badly that she RAN to the chair in FEAR :help: No, the chair umpire called her over after the second time Serena yelled at her (first time, "threatening" her with the ball, second time with the racket." And after the lineswoman reported the conversation, and returned to her station, Serena yelled at her again. You can't abuse a linesperson; she got away with it the first time, but not after that. She knew better.

Chill out. She lost her cool in a spur of the moment kind of thing. Methinks losing this match is punishment enough.
The crowd wasn't booing at her. I think they were booing the situation.
You're both right.

In her interview, where she was quite composed, she said John McEnroe was one of her heroes. :spit: :lol:

trufanjay
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:46 AM
Its just sad. Kim deserved to win because she played the better match. People want to call Serena names and say nasty things about her but overlook the gracious things that she says. She was VERY calm in her post match interview and gave Kim a lot of credit for winning the match. No one can honestly say that they can't understand her situation. What Serena said was unacceptable but lets learn from it and move on!

The Williams sisters always get treated badly when things like this happen........I wonder why

phelbyn
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:46 AM
YOU DON'T CALL FOOT FAULT at that stage of the match


PERIOD

CORRECTION: You do not COMMIT a foot fault at that stage of the match. Regardless of whether the foot fault happened or not (no camera angle can prove either way, so there is no sense in debating it)... Serena was legitimately out of line with her reaction and the intensity with which she confronted the linesman. On that stage at that moment in front of that many people you do NOT lose your cool.

And nothing against Serena: she played a fantastic match.

Consider this perhaps: As a footfault judge you do not have the opportunity to call those often, if ever. If you do call it, you are not going to mistake it. There is no sense in being wrong. The line judge was likely right. Serena's reaction was inappropriate. Too bad it was match point.

Tennisfan-Mtl
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:46 AM
Serena's post-match conference is crap. She is trying to downplay the incident. Yelling like she did at a line judge is UNACCEPTABLE whether the call was good or not.

I lost all respect for the prima donna.

bandabou
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:46 AM
Hantuchova's situation was different.. she's a notorious slow player to begin with...and a foot fault and time violation aren't the same thing.

brayster87
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:47 AM
I have no problem with the call, it was an absolute correct call. Serena was frustrated from the first point. However, she had no right threatening another person even if it was in the heat of the moment. I though Serena had more class than that!

Anyway, great tennis by Clijsters, let's not take away from what Clijsters did!

SerenaSlam
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:47 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.

i think it would be best to completely rephrase this whole post. i have no problem breaking down the stupidity of your entire post....

i don't know if you just decided to jump to your own conclusion but after CBS repeatedly showed the incident you need to think before you umm...type. Serena Williams never threatened their life...yeah.
the foot fault....this one ill give you some credit for. everyone has their opinions. im going with Johnny Mac. it was no foot fault...IMO.
what did she lie about on national television? this must be what i missed. i NEVER heard her say she did not tell the lines judge she'll shove the racquet down her throat. I DID hear her say she didn't say she'll kill her. to which serena confirmed they let her know the lines judge didn't say Serena said she'll kill her.at the end of the day i think the crowd booed her because just like the commentators said and also the majority of them assumed she defaulted the match. those were mary c's exact words. i was a tad upset when she said thats what she did. later to confirm she got a point penalty. but we all view situations differently especially when we could careless for someone (and don't even know them...thats what kills me lol) we opt to view them in a very extreme way.

all in all your post is complete ignorance. out of your 3 points the only one that is valid and true and ill give to you is the fact that when your wrong your wrong. whether she foot faulted? well we all will have our opinions on that.

LASTLY,
have a great evening :)

virtue05
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:48 AM
You know while watching this match I could not believe what was happening; if the line judge would not have called foot fault the score would have still been 15-30, a big difference from 15-40. There is also the question of if, Serena could come back and win the match, she has done it before. And I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it is weird how both Venus and Serena had foot faults called on them, and I didn't see it happening with other players. I also remember certain players dropping the F Bomb, with no penalties directed towards them.

cellophane
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:48 AM
I wonder what Pam would have said... shame we don't have her on CBS...

sunset
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:49 AM
Serena is being very evasive as always.
Kim came out and hit big out gunning the fallen champion.
All this talk about knowing how to handle her next time is just a lot of hot air.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c7/fullj.13e8e3282faba312ea056d3d3d098fa7/13e8e3282faba312ea056d3d3d098fa7-getty-83372613md071_us_open_day_1.jpg

This is going to hurt Serena’s career.

tennisfan5
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:49 AM
is how well Kim played. She played a terrific match.

phelbyn
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:49 AM
Whether she did or not you don't make that call at that point in a match unless the foot is way over the line.

I agrue it probably was clearly touching the line. Nobody had a better view of it than the line judge. And I repeat: the line judge has nothing to gain from calling it and a LOT of grief for calling it. If those are the rules, and a clear offense was noted, then such is life.

Selah
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:50 AM
I can totally understand Serena's frustration, but there was nothing else the umpire could have done. Clearly the umpires cannot have the players bullying the linespeople when things don't go their way.

yep. It is unfortunate the call was made , it was unfortunate Serena said what she said, it was unfortunate Kim's win was marred like that...pretty sure next time something like that happens, she won't carry on like that. She should add an addendum to her book-pretty sure just about everything has happened to her on court now. lol

.Andrew.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:50 AM
Serena was certainly wrong. But we need to understand the circumstances here. It's 15-30 5-6 lose this game, match is over. She has got an inspired rival across the net. It's for a spot in the US Open final. Who WOULDN'T of blown up in this kind of situation? :shrug:

From the linesperson view, she shouldn't have called the foot fault. The stakes are JUST TOO HIGH at this point.

And the irony of it all was that it didn't look like a foot fault. :o Please don't bring this lineswoman back in the upcoming years please. :o But certainly, Serena is also in the wrong here.

2moretogo
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:50 AM
All I can say is, win the grand slam next year Serena!!! And fucking forget about being number 1 in the world...

mykarma
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:51 AM
You call a foot fault if you see a foot fault, no matter what the score.

I don't know what Serena said, but yelling at a line ludge like that is completely unnacceptable!
Yes she should call an obvious foot fault but this call was to close to call. Even the commentators couldn't agree on whether it was a foot fault or not.

chris_d08
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:51 AM
cbs replayed the conversation between serena and the linejudge (obviously bleeping out the cuss-words)....and serena did not say i will kill you, but she did say i will stuff this ball down ur ******n throat...and then the f word about 3 more times.....BUT----when the linejudge went to talk to the chair ump and serena said "I did not say I would kill you!" the line judge was shaking her head as in yes in which she agreed that serena said I will kill you.....not major drama.....serena just lost her cool and it just happened to be in the semis of the open at match point...unfortunate but sometimes it goes that way...by the way, did anyone happen to hear and read mary joe fernandez's lips when serena was walking of the court and mary joe said something to her??? i have a feeling some of the major sports websites like yahoo sports and all they so called "blogs" are going to rip serena a new one

Keegan
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:51 AM
It's not a good angle. The best angle would be straight down the line. Or from straight above. It was far too close to call in all honesty, but if they had a better angle it'd be easier to see :).

The Daviator
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:51 AM
Mary's a brave woman, did she not hear what Serena just said to the linejudge :tape:

dynamoRockstarr
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:51 AM
showing anger doesnt display a person's true behavior.

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:52 AM
Mboyle, you really are completely useless :rolleyes:


No, you are. And why am I only seeing you trolling around spreading useless crap these days? :confused: You're not even funny anymore.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:52 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.

1. She didn't threaten anybody's life.
2. Prove it ACTUALLY was a foot fault.
3. Serena can be angry and whomever she like, it's her right as it is yours to be angry at her.
4. Where did she lie?
5. Remove her from your sig'.

You WISELY changed the title of your thread. :rolleyes:

Dawson.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:52 AM
Very true.

Serena didn't play a bad match herself - she's certainly played worse than that and still beat top 10 players in her career... including one just a few days ago.
Kim was terrific. Someone who has been away from the game for 2 years and has had a baby really shouldn't be playing that well on papaer, yet she did. Just amazing :hearts:

bandabou
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:52 AM
How can anyone defend Serena in this situation unless your an immature 8 year old screwball?

Who cares what the LJ's call was, the fact that Serena can be that upset to physically threaten her is absolutely despicable.

If you defend Thugrena on this one you need a check up from the neck up, for reeeeals.

Understandable..

WowWow
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:53 AM
True, she will spank Caro tomorrow.
Unless she foot faults, that is. lol

oleada
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:53 AM
Even if the foot fault was a bad call, Serena should not have reacted the way she did.
She already had one violation for racquet abuse.
She said "I'm going to stick this f*cking ball down your f*cking throat" (it was replaid on CBS with the cuss words bleeped).
That is both obscenity and lines person abuse. Giving her a violation is the correct call. It's just that it happened on amtch point.

Justin
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:53 AM
In her press conference, Serena said she misheard the woman say that Serena was gonna kill her. The woman never said that. Serena thought she did, and later admitted she was wrong.

cellophane
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:53 AM
It's hard for me to gauge how well Kim played out there, because Serena seemed so reactive and passive in some of the points, and Kim just took control...

Wiggly
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:54 AM
Serena said in her press conference that she thought the woman told the umpire that she said "I will kill you" but she immediately said the woman said that she didn't do such a thing and it as "fine".

goldenboi356
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:54 AM
yes! her depth and spe ed was amazing!!

cellophane
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:54 AM
It doesn't matter.... she still cursed... and still lost because of it.

Roookie
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:54 AM
WOW...i just feel so sad for Kim. She deserved to win the match in a normal way. But Serena WTF?. I understand she got mad but she's a profesional. She should have act like one. She couldn't handle the fact she was being outplayed but Kim, the foot fault make her totally lost it.

Danči Dementia
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Serena :weirdo:

she really lost it.

stupid behaviour.

bye bye Rena :wavey:

supergrunt
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Well first of all it wasn't a foot fault- and for her to make that call on such an important point would put anyone in that mood. Secondly, a lot of ATP players get away with murder and would not have been penalized for smashing their racquets or harrasing the linespeople.

QUEENLINDSAY
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Kim's game plan is amazing!!!

Pengwin
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Kim played amazingly, almost no errors.

G1Player2
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 AM
How can anyone defend Serena in this situation unless your an immature 8 year old screwball?

Who cares what the LJ's call was, the fact that Serena can be that upset to physically threaten her is absolutely despicable.

If you defend Thugrena on this one you need a check up from the neck up, for reeeeals.

THUGRENA? Racist. :rolleyes: Were you saying this when McEnroe and especially Jennifer Capriati were blowing up and cussing out lines people? Hopefully people report this posts.

Ken Lee
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Serena would never say that in a million years! I don't understand how some of you can be so stupid! :o

tennislover
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:55 AM
and imagine if she wins the title :help::help::help:

jenglisbe
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:56 AM
From the linesperson view, she shouldn't have called the foot fault. The stakes are JUST TOO HIGH at this point.
They should remove the lines people if that's the case. Does this mean you also think out balls shouldn't be called near the ends of matches? What's the difference?

.Andrew.
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:56 AM
She really did play a fantastic match and deserves all credit here. :yeah:

It never looked like she was expecting or going to lose the match. :yeah: If she can just continue this brand of tennis, she should win her 2nd Grand Slam. :shrug: Hopefully she can come through. :D

mboyle
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:56 AM
1. She didn't threaten anybody's life.
2. Prove it ACTUALLY was a foot fault.
3. Serena can be angry and whomever she like, it's her right as it is yours to be angry at her.
4. Where did she lie?
5. Remove her from your sig'.

You WISELY changed the title of your thread. :rolleyes:

1. She said she would shove a racquet down a lady's throat. That is threat of fatal violence.
2. In professional tennis, "actual" double faults are those that the lines people call. For what it is worth, it looked like her foot clipped the line to me, but obviously I did not have as good of a view as the lines judge.
3. I never said she didn't have a right to be angry. We all have the right to feel however we want, but there are consequences for negative feelings.
4. She said she never threatened the woman's life when she did. She should have just said "you're right, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that."
5. done
6. The mods changed it, not me.

sunset
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:56 AM
Firstly, to threaten the life of another human being is completely unacceptable. Just completely unacceptable. Secondly, when you foot fault, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the lines person. You have no right to get angry at the person. Thirdly, don't lie about it on national television. Don't wave your racquet at the lady, clearly mouth "I'll shove this down your throat" and then say you didn't say it...Serena deserves 100% of the boos she received on the way out, and I hope she gets booed again. If you're only going to show up to do your job four times a year, don't bite the hand that feeds you by cursing out the tournament officials. Grow up, Serena Williams.

Truer words could not have been said. Serena has shown her true self. :help:

Infiniti2001
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:56 AM
:haha: I tell ya :help:

gmokb
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 AM
No she didn't. Even John Mac said so when they showed the replay. That lineswoman is just a damn blind idiot.

Justin SW
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 AM
Serena would have lost. I have to agree. :angel:

Congrats Kim and Best of Luck in the Final ;)

SerenaSlam
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 AM
How can anyone defend Serena in this situation unless your an immature 8 year old screwball?

Who cares what the LJ's call was, the fact that Serena can be that upset to physically threaten her is absolutely despicable.

If you defend Thugrena on this one you need a check up from the neck up, for reeeeals.

an 8 year old would read this thread and assume we are "defending her"...i feel you are ASSUMING we are defending her.

Serena is wrong for her actions and for what she did. the fact of the matter with all of these comments and post is getting an understanding to what was said. the person that started this thread decided to say serena said she would kill her and also went on to say that she decided to lie on national television about what she said. after watching CBS play the whole incident and bleep out the cursing mboyle's entire post is clearly false.

why you ASSUME (8 yr old i.e.) we are defending Serena i have NO clue. Again she is completely wrong for her actions and she paid the price. but nobody needs to be making things up and saying she said this and that and lying.

bobbynorwich
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 AM
Foot faults are rarely called, especially on critical points. That explains some of Serena's ire. However, as a seasoned veteran, she had to know the rules --- that after her prior code warning for racquet abuse --- she would lose a point for linesman abuse. An unfortunate outcome nonetheless.

Wiggly
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 AM
It doesn't matter.... she still cursed... and still lost because of it.

Q. On court it was picked up where you said, I would never say such‑and‑such to you.

SERENA WILLIAMS: Because I think she said I would kill you, and I was like, What? I was like, Wait a minute.

But then I had misheard. She had never said that. So that was just something ‑‑ I was like, Whoa. Because I was like, Wait a minute. Let's not ‑‑ because I'm not that way. So.

She was like, No, I didn't say that. She said something else. I said, Oh, okay. I get it. And I was totally fine, because at that point I realized I got a point penalty and it was match point.

What can I do? I'm not going to complain. It was what it was.

moby
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 AM
I'll cut Serena slack for this. It was an unclassy moment, but we've all had those, with less at stake. She clearly said it in the heat of the moment, and was amply punished by the point penalty, the subsequent loss of the match, and boos of disapproval from the crowd.

Matt01
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 AM
And the irony of it all was that it didn't look like a foot fault. :o


I dunno which angles you got, but judging from the angle that was shown on ES, it looked like foot fault. Not only to me but also for the German ES commentator.

supergrunt
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:57 AM
and I'm upset for Serena because white people in this sport never really gave her a chance to begin with... she's criticized for a lot of arbitrary things... now what's going to happen?

DragonFlame
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 AM
Exactly, i was amazed. She played grandslam winning tennis out there, REALLY! She stepped it up a whole level in this match, it felt 2005 to me. :bounce: Now she´s so close to a fairytail ending! I really hope she´ll get the celebration she deserves tomorrow. What a comeback!

I love me some belgians. :hearts: Now hopefully the other one will return as well. Great variety today, serena didn´t know what hit her, and it showed.

tennislover
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 AM
agreed

Justin
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 AM
It sucks that Kim couldn't celebrate like she deserves to. She played so well and deserved the win.

silvamarius
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 AM
It was foot fault. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11hYBWAQ6IQ

Bosco123
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 AM
Judge yourself. To me it was a clear call but I don't know.:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11hYBWAQ6IQ

This video doesn't tell us anything, you certainly can't see a "clear call" as you said.

Penne1
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 AM
Serena could have said "Top of the morning to ya!" and she still would have gotten an unsportsmanlike conduct warning simply because of the physical agression that she displayed towards that woman. To bad that is completely lost on Serena herself. What a sad day for her career!

BK4ever
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:58 AM
I'm still in shock at how Serena totally lost her temper there and just could not seem to get her composure back. If she had stopped after the first session of yelling at the linesperson, this match might be in a third set because the umpire did not even see her yelling the first time.

She will learn a huge lesson about keeping her temper in check. She cost herself a GS and that is just ridiculous.

Ken Lee
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:59 AM
Not in a million years!

jenglisbe
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:59 AM
Well first of all it wasn't a foot fault- and for her to make that call on such an important point would put anyone in that mood. Secondly, a lot of ATP players get away with murder and would not have been penalized for smashing their racquets or harrasing the linespeople.
Show us the proof it wasn't a foot fault. Where is the screen cap?

Regardless, Serena should not have reacted like that. Plus, she was 2 points from losing anyway.

Tennisstar86
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:59 AM
Marys a bitch.... Serena gave all credit to Kim, tried to draw attention away from " the incident." Instead of saying that Mary says " Serenas a good actress.... Had Serena said what she was really feeling (and how she had her people getting that line judges address) Mary would have been all over Serena not saying how Kim was outplaying her....

goldenslam888
Sep 13th, 2009, 04:59 AM
Well first of all it wasn't a foot fault- and for her to make that call on such an important point would put anyone in that mood. Secondly, a lot of ATP players get away with murder and would not have been penalized for smashing their racquets or harrasing the linespeople.


isn't it difficult to defend the indefensible.

look at the bright side. serena has an excuse, for getting whipped a mother coming back from a 2 tear layoff.

Stamp Paid
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:00 AM
She was wrong as hell.
She deserved what she got.
She is still my favorite tennis player of all time and my obsession with her remains undiminished :o

Galsen
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:00 AM
I don't this it was

Pengwin
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:01 AM
You can't tell from that angle, but I think it was ambigious enough to not warrant a call of foot fault.

perseus2006
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:02 AM
This incident didn't occur in a vacuum. This summer Serena threatened another player saying she would see her in the locker room and tried to intimidate lines people by glaring at them for ten to fifteen seconds. Had she been taken to task for those minor incidents, perhaps she would have been aware that the rules actually do apply to her and played tennis rather than being a foul mouthed bully threatening mayhem on yet another linesperson.

In her interview, Serena declined the oppotunity to tell reporters exactly what she said to the linesperson...

In the same interview, Serena also said she always gave 200%. Having watched her play in six non-slam events this year, she is shy of that mark by about 198%.

manu
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:02 AM
Good thread! I don't think I've ever seen Kim play as good as this on such a big stage (final weekend of a Slam against one of the if not the best opponent of the past decade).
In fact, I think this was one of her best matches ever. To anyone (including myself) who was still doubting her level: she's definitely fully back to her old form, if not better than that. At times she just outplayed Serena from the baseline. I was like :eek: at some of the tennis she produced. Too much firepower, depth, placement, accuracy, tactics. Controled agression. Serena had to rely more and more on her serve (which was pretty good today, esp. her 1st serve), but that couldn't save her. Serena never played great but Kim didn't allow her to either, and it's not like Serena played a bad match. What surprised me even more is that Kim had almost no mental letdowns. She just kept her composure, was always calm, surprisingly enough she looked in control of the match. Which makes me think that she had a very very very good chance to actually win this match. But I guess we'll never know about that.

Rocketta
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:06 AM
Mary's an asswipe douchbag... :shrug:

Serena congratulated Kim on her good play and especially her game plan. Talked about how she will now adapt her game the next time she plays her.

Mary just wanted Serena to continue the drama into the press conference.. She wanted Serena to be sad, crying and pitiful and Serena wasn't giving them none of that. :worship:

Hachiko
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:11 AM
I'm glad others saw straight through the façade. An apology was clearly too radical for someone like Serena.

Infiniti2001
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:13 AM
I always defend Mary, but she is so wrong here. I mean Serena was calm when she left the court-- why change during the press conference?

cellophane
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:13 AM
I thought Serena played sub-par nervous tennis... some good points here and there. I don't want to discredit Kim at all, since I would have loved to have seen her win against Serena playing great.

bobbynorwich
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:13 AM
It was highly regrettable that the top remaining American (Serena Williams) was defaulted for linesman abuse in the semi-finals of the US Open.
However, it is a credit to the impartiality of the officials at the US Open (run by the United States Tennis Association, USTA) that they strictly applied the rules regardless of nationality.
This tough decision by the USTA clearly adds to its stature as a trustworthy international event, one that is unsoiled by any nationalistic bias.

Kunal
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:15 AM
I swear to god if you had seen that on mute, you would have thought she won the match.

What disappointed me was that when she was asked by one of the journalists...

"Do you regret the way you reacted to the lines person?"

She went off on a bit of tangent. I wanted her to own her mistake.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:17 AM
1. She said she would shove a racquet down a lady's throat. That is threat of fatal violence.
2. In professional tennis, "actual" double faults are those that the lines people call. For what it is worth, it looked like her foot clipped the line to me, but obviously I did not have as good of a view as the lines judge.
3. I never said she didn't have a right to be angry. We all have the right to feel however we want, but there are consequences for negative feelings.
4. She said she never threatened the woman's life when she did. She should have just said "you're right, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that."
5. done
6. The mods changed it, not me.

1. That's foolish. Nobody is capable of "shoving a racket down someone's throat. And no one would try it in front of 20,000 people. A threat of violence? yes. A threat to "kill?" No.
2. I said prove that it ACTUALLY was a foot fault. It's OBVIOUS what the lines person called.
3. You did say she did have the right to be angry.
4. (see 1)
5. Thank you. That's been a long time comin'.
6. The Mods knew better than you.

brayster87
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:17 AM
Even Serena admitted that she double-faulted, her anger was in the heat of the moment.

Q. Would you be interested to see if you actually foot faulted?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I'm pretty sure I did. If she called a foot fault, she must have seen a foot fault. I mean, she was doing her job. I'm not going to knock her for not doing her job

au_sports_opinion
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:18 AM
As Serena walked to the exit a woman in an orange top yelled at her that looked exactly like Mary-Joe Fernandez.

Serena just turned her head and mouthed something to herself as she exited.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5160/photo1xp.jpg

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:20 AM
She was asking for a comment. :rolleyes:

Did you not see it?

brayster87
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:23 AM
Even Serena admitted that she foot-faulted


Q. Would you be interested to see if you actually foot faulted?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I'm pretty sure I did. If she called a foot fault, she must have seen a foot fault. I mean, she was doing her job. I'm not going to knock her for not doing her job

Infiniti2001
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:27 AM
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DOUBLEFIST
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:32 AM
Now, for My "take" on it.


Serena should have maintain her composure. She STILL could have come back and won the set.

Nevertheless, that call should have never been made. I haven't seen ANY conclusive evidence that it actually was a foot fault.

Having received a racket abuse violation earlier, and the baffoon of a line judge having reported it to the umpire there really wasn't much choice in giving her a point violation. If they showed any leeway, it would have been as a courtesy to Serena-and you know they aren't gonna EVER show any real courtesy to Serena.

As I said, I wish Serena would have kept her composure, but I can certainly understand why she reacted the way she did. I'm sure I would have done similar.

To contextualize, there can be NO DOUBT that the Sister's- Serena in particular has been ripped before. The '04 USO largely contributing to the advent of the "Hawkeye" system is all the evidence you need. So, it goes without saying Serena is sensitive to getting hooked by the officials. Couple all of this with the incessant foot faults that the sisters were getting called for, and virtually no one else (at least of consequence) and Serena's on HIGH ALERT for :bs: calls. MULTIPLY all this with the fact that Kimmy is beating her and this incident becomes incredibly predictable.

Apoleb
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:38 AM
You couldn't tell from that camera angle.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:45 AM
Serena Williams berates official, loses match for conduct violation

By Chris Chase

Rain gave way to bedlam tonight at the U.S. Open.

Defending champion Serena Williams was charged with a point penalty on match point after yelling at a line judge for a calling a foot fault on her previous serve. The ruling gave Kim Clijsters a 6-4, 7-5 victory in their semifinal match, which had been delayed 32 hours because of rain.

After the line judge called the foot fault with Serena serving at 5-6, 15-30 in the second set, the youngest Williams sister intimidatingly stared her down before screaming at the official with a jabbed finger. After a few seconds, Serena turned back around to serve, thought better of it and resumed the badgering. The chair umpire then called over the line judge to ask what Serena had said, rules officials were summoned, a brief summit occurred at the net and it was determined that Serena would be assessed a point penalty for a conduct violation. The point gave Clijsters the match.

The initial foot fault that began the fireworks was a terrible call. It was unconscionable. It cannot be made at the end of any match, let alone in the semifinals of the U.S. Open. This isn't because a foot fault is a ridiculous call at that juncture (even though it is). It's because it wasn't a foot fault. The replays show that Serena's foot was behind the line when she served. You could make the argument that it was close but not close enough to make the call.

That being said, that's no excuse for Serena to berate an official. Wrong as the official may have been, there's a line that to be crossed and Serena did it pretty early on in her diatribe by saying, "I'm going to shove this ball down your f------ throat".

It got worse from there. There were multiple profanities, more threats and a lot of pointing. I mean, even John McEnroe said it was a bit much.

The explosive end is sure to obscure the fact that Serena probably would have lost the match without the foot fault. Clijsters was playing great and Serena couldn't win a point on her second serve. The end was coming, Serena's outburst merely hastened its arrival. Maybe that was the point.

cellophane
Sep 13th, 2009, 05:46 AM
I wonder what Serena would have done if she got called by the linesperson who she'd given a staredown in a previous round...

tennnisfannn
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:07 AM
serena has sved mps before, you cannot say she was defintley going to lose that match, lokm at the way she played ElenaD at iwmby, to presume she would have lost anyway is ridiculous.

Apoleb
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:10 AM
This incident didn't occur in a vacuum. This summer Serena threatened another player saying she would see her in the locker room and tried to intimidate lines people by glaring at them for ten to fifteen seconds. Had she been taken to task for those minor incidents, perhaps she would have been aware that the rules actually do apply to her and played tennis rather than being a foul mouthed bully threatening mayhem on yet another linesperson.

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I agree. I don't think this incident is isolated. She verbally abused a player before. She thinks such behavior would go uncalled, and got the reality check today.

LeonHart
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:12 AM
1. She said she would shove a racquet down a lady's throat. That is threat of fatal violence.
2. In professional tennis, "actual" double faults are those that the lines people call. For what it is worth, it looked like her foot clipped the line to me, but obviously I did not have as good of a view as the lines judge.
3. I never said she didn't have a right to be angry. We all have the right to feel however we want, but there are consequences for negative feelings.
4. She said she never threatened the woman's life when she did. She should have just said "you're right, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that."
5. done
6. The mods changed it, not me.

Exactly how I feel. Anyways we may never "know" if Serena really touched the line or not, but the linesperson has the best view obviously so gonna give her the benefit of the doubt. In the end, the way Serena lost her temper cost her the match, not that foot fault. She has no one to blame but herself :kiss:

Sam L
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:13 AM
That bitch was not only blind but deaf. It was not a foot fault.

slk45
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:15 AM
Hantuchova's situation was different.. she's a notorious slow player to begin with...and a foot fault and time violation aren't the same thing.The violations are different in type (one is a delay in play, the other occurs during play, i.e., while serving), but the same in principle. Time violations are typically one area where there's been some elasticity in the rule (depending on the umpire, not depending on the players), probably because you can have both players taking extra time at the same time. Arguably, this should be governed strictly by the stop watch. Also arguably this is one that some leeway should be given on MP to let the players finish it out, unless it's an egregious delay. In Hantuchova's case in San Diego, she was taking an extra 4 or 5 seconds. The stadium erupted in seismic boos when the call was made.

They should remove the lines people if that's the case. Does this mean you also think out balls shouldn't be called near the ends of matches? What's the difference? This is exactly the logical consequence of the argument that the "foot fault" should have been ignored given the score situation.

I also remember certain players dropping the F Bomb, with no penalties directed towards them.Can't speak to any others, but my sweet Bepa got a code violation for uttering (shouting) an "audible obscenity" "in perfect English" right in front of the chair umpire during a changeover in her match against Flavia Pennetta.


Here comes the pity party: and I'm upset for Serena because white people in this sport never really gave her a chance to begin with... she's criticized for a lot of arbitrary things... now what's going to happen?This post is too absurd for words. What's going to happen is Serena will move on to her next tournament. Now, for My "take" on it....Same as above.


A Serena fan with integrity:
She was wrong as hell.
She deserved what she got.
She is still my favorite tennis player of all time and my obsession with her remains undiminished :o

I'll cut Serena slack for this. It was an unclassy moment, but we've all had those, with less at stake. She clearly said it in the heat of the moment, and was amply punished by the point penalty, the subsequent loss of the match, and boos of disapproval from the crowd.I'll agree with that.

I'm still wondering if a challenge is available for a foot-fault call??

vw.
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:20 AM
I remember seeing Serena mouth something along the lines of "You gotta be fuckin kidding me"

Sam L
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:20 AM
Serena was cheated. That wasn't a foot fault, if anything the umpire should've stepped in so Serena wouldn't lose her cool.

That line judge bitch is not only blind but deaf.

Seems this is the only way to get ahead of the Williams sisters these days.

Justine Henin with the hand, Capriati with the bad line calls, MJMS with the arm and now a foot fault when there never was one.

Just stupid.

jefrilibra
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:22 AM
LMFAO! @ people still expecting Serena to sign autographs after the incident.

joz
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:30 AM
Would she have been defaulted for simply cussing out the woman? Probably...
I thought she got called for a foot fault in Cincy. I think the lines people started calling more footfaults at Cincy and then again at Toronto.
OTH... Serena did smash and break a racquet in Cincy and did not get a code violation... so the officials have not been consistent.

gentenaire
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:31 AM
My take:
Serena displayed a perfectly normal human reaction. I think everyone would have lost it at that point, I certainly would have in that situation. That foot fault was totally uncalled for. You do not give a foot fault on such a point in the match (unless, you've been giving foot faults all the time throughout the match).

It's a real shame this is overshadowing a great win by Kim. Because Kim did deserve that win. Serena did not deserve that foot fault.

Kenny
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:31 AM
Who really gives a fuck about mboyle's opinion? He can't even get his facts straight.

au_sports_opinion
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:32 AM
She was asking for a comment. :rolleyes:

Did you not see it?

She was shouting really fast in her face in a demonstrative manner, looked weird, you could be right though.

kiwifan
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:32 AM
Bottom line, she didn't foot fault (I only saw the ESPN replays, I wasn't there) :(

Secondly, no one makes that fucked up call at that score...it just doesn't happen. :fiery:

Third, Serena shouldn't have gone off on that stupid retarded lineswoman, even if she made the most controvesial call of the year. :lol:

Fourthly, good fun ending to a rather boring US Open don't you think? :devil:

Fifth and Final...I LOVE ME SOME SERENA :hug:

now on to the Aussie Open :bolt:

disposablehero
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:34 AM
You know, women are very emotional creatures. How would you like a 19 year old girl to read this board and find out her lifelong hard work has been rewarded with hate. If you can make her cry, will that make you happy? And I'm not talking just to the OP, I'm talking to the hordes of self-important little people on this board who can't respect a player who doesn't win the way they like.

LoveMeansZero
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:34 AM
The initial foot fault that began the fireworks was a terrible call. It was unconscionable. It cannot be made at the end of any match, let alone in the semifinals of the U.S. Open. This isn't because a foot fault is a ridiculous call at that juncture (even though it is). It's because it wasn't a foot fault. The replays show that Serena's foot was behind the line when she served. You could make the argument that it was close but not close enough to make the call.

That being said, that's no excuse for Serena to berate an official. Wrong as the official may have been, there's a line that to be crossed and Serena did it pretty early on in her diatribe by saying, "I'm going to shove this ball down your f------ throat".

I totally agree with that.

kiwifan
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:35 AM
Hater forum. ;)

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drake3781
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:35 AM
It really did look like she was yelling at Serena! :eek:

tennisfan5
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:35 AM
Yeah, i agree with all the comments. Kim seemed to have a gameplan--she moved serena from side to side, and dare i say it made serena look a little slow out there. She maintained her focus and kept going strong, even after serena tied it up at 4-4. A shame she couldn't properly celebrate her win. Hope there is no letdown vs. Wozniacki. Don't think there will be

Stamp Paid
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:36 AM
"Youre still playing Fed Cup, right?!"

TS
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:36 AM
I thought she said "you should've killed the bitch"

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:37 AM
She was shouting really fast

Serena was walking away pretty fast.

...in a demonstrative manner

It was loud.

looked weird

Yeah, it did. It was a WEIRD moment. :lol:

Asmus
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:37 AM
Any clips of the match BEFORE the incident?

slk45
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:38 AM
Would she have been defaulted for simply cussing out the woman? Probably...
I thought she got called for a foot fault in Cincy. I think the lines people started calling more footfaults at Cincy and then again at Toronto.
OTH... Serena did smash and break a racquet in Cincy and did not get a code violation... so the officials have not been consistent.
Serena wasn't defaulted. She got the second violation on MP, which caused the loss. Also, she wasn't called on the first threat against the linesperson -- where she said she was going to 'stuff the f****** ball down her throat.' It was the second time when she was shaking her racquet at the linesperson that the chair umpire wanted to know what was going on. She got a pass on the first one, and if she could have composed herself after that, the match would have continued.

RND
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:38 AM
Why? She deserves it, unlike many who claim they are #1 but get humiliated out of the tournament. She is good and I like her.

Steff_forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:38 AM
I hope Serena gets officially fined for this outburst and hopefully this damages her canting grandeur...

at the thread starter: I'm pleased someone said it like it is/was

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:39 AM
Shitty, inconsistent reffing is exactly the reason why I lost respect for the NBA. And now, the same shit's happening to the ITF. Typical.

drake3781
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:40 AM
She seems in la la land. :shrug:

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:40 AM
If Serena deserves an Oscar for that press conference, then Zvonareva deserves one for supporting actress at a sporting event press conference.

rockstar
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:40 AM
very pro serena... not that what they said was wrong...

LudwigDvorak
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:41 AM
The sheer ecstasy of seeing so many of the losers who hate Caroline combust into a singular, dying flame of gaseous hatred would be worth it if she won the title honestly

hdfb
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:42 AM
I'm very bitter about this and wanted Serena to win, and while I known Serena can be so behind and still win matches, I do think Kim deserved to win today, I think she would have gotten one of those two matchpoints. She came out with a plan and it worked, Serena was very unsure of herself.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:42 AM
Kim played a smart match, kept the balls deep and hard and never let Serena settle into the match. And of course her signature defense played a huge part of the match as well.

#1Davenport
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:42 AM
I think it would've been hard for the linesperson to actually hear exactly what Serena said considering how loud it was in the stadium at the time. But other than that I think Serena was robbed out of another important match. Yes, she lost her temper... but defaulting her on match point is just ridiculous.

The Kaz
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:42 AM
Mary's an asswipe douchbag... :shrug:

Serena congratulated Kim on her good play and especially her game plan. Talked about how she will now adapt her game the next time she plays her.

Mary just wanted Serena to continue the drama into the press conference.. She wanted Serena to be sad, crying and pitiful and Serena wasn't giving them none of that. :worship:

And said how crap she played too i.e giving the match to Kim. Quote: "I probably hit more errors today then I did the whole tournament combined". Thanks the compliment Serena...NOT! :o

Kimmy :worship:

Nevergivescreditrena :wavey:

networthy
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:42 AM
Serena is being very evasive as always.
Kim came out and hit big out gunning the fallen champion.
All this talk about knowing how to handle her next time is just a lot of hot air.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/c7/fullj.13e8e3282faba312ea056d3d3d098fa7/13e8e3282faba312ea056d3d3d098fa7-getty-83372613md071_us_open_day_1.jpg

This is going to hurt Serena’s career.

'Roid rage. You heard it here first...

tobe
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:43 AM
well done KIM :) Showed the girls how it's done

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:43 AM
Even Serena admitted that she foot-faulted


Q. Would you be interested to see if you actually foot faulted?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I'm pretty sure I did. If she called a foot fault, she must have seen a foot fault. I mean, she was doing her job. I'm not going to knock her for not doing her job

Serena is not adding any fuel to the fire.

I don't see it from any camera angle. I see her foot move, but never actually touch the line. I think Serena would like to see the replays...or maybe not.

Still, if it was a foot fault, it was very tiny. Just meh...

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:43 AM
Mary was just stating the obvious. No harm. No foul.

Mary (and Everybody else) knew that Serena had very strong feelings about evenings ugliness, but Serena didn't show any of those feelings. So... Oscar. :shrug: I see nothing wrong with that.

It would have been FAAAAAAAAAAR worse had Serena said how she really felt about everything.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:44 AM
Sad day indeed

Renalicious
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:44 AM
It was too close to call - especially on such a CRUCIAL call. It was just like, why would you want to do that? :shrug:

archie4
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:45 AM
I always defend Mary, but she is so wrong here. I mean Serena was calm when she left the court-- why change during the press conference?

Serena was calm when she left the court? I don't think so!

I think it's interesting that Serena was so upbeat during the interview. Usually she is so put-out and moody after a loss (even if she played well), and here she was very congratulatory towards Kim and made it sound like the default wasn't a big deal. It was a huge deal!

Serena Williams is my favorite women's tennis player, but her behavior after that foot fault was just horrible. Yes, the call was unjust, but she should have taken it up with the chair umpire instead of verbally assulting the line judge. I teach elementary school, and if any student treated another student or teacher in the way Serena treated that line judge, they would be suspended immediately. Serena is a role model, and she needs to take a big look at her behavior. I'm really not trying to stand up for the foot fault call. I think the call was definitely unjust, but Serena was not out of the match yet, and perhaps, she could have talked to the chair umpire.

Serena did not address her behavior one bit during the press confrence. She made it seem like it wasn't a big deal to her (which I'm sure isn't true)--like she didn't do anything wrong. Again, she is a role model and needs to own up to her bad judgement (even if the original call wasn't fair). No one deserves to be treated that way.

Serena really lost some of my respect tonight, and that hurts because I really like her. Best of luck in the rest of the season, Serena, but you've got to fix that bad attitude.

markspot
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:45 AM
She twisted the foot clockwise and it seemed to move towards the line, being next to the line to begin with.

I just watched ntv+ tennis studio comments with their experts, they say it really was a foot fault.

As to what Serena said, ESPN writes this:

"Serena angrily confronted the lineswoman who made the call, dropping the f-word liberally and, getting in her face and waving her racket and later the ball menacingly, saying, "I swear to God I'm [expletive] going to take this [expletive] ball and shove it down your [expletive] throat, you hear that? I swear to God."

BlameSerena
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:45 AM
Go Caro. I like her. I'm just meh...

ArturoAce.
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:46 AM
I think it would've been hard for the linesperson to actually hear exactly what Serena said considering how loud it was in the stadium at the time. But other than that I think Serena was robbed out of another important match. Yes, she lost her temper... but defaulting her on match point is just ridiculous.

just bad timing for serena
it was a second offence, her fault she couldn't stay composed. so she only robbed herself.

mboyle
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:46 AM
1. That's foolish. Nobody is capable of "shoving a racket down someone's throat. And no one would try it in front of 20,000 people. A threat of violence? yes. A threat to "kill?" No.
2. I said prove that it ACTUALLY was a foot fault. It's OBVIOUS what the lines person called.
3. You did say she did have the right to be angry.
4. (see 1)
5. Thank you. That's been a long time comin'.
6. The Mods knew better than you.

1. The same logic was what kept Jews in Germany despite Hitler's threats to kill them. The law takes people at their word. Threatening to kill someone is illegal, even if your threatened method of doing so is impossible.
2. You can't prove it wasn't a foot fault. Thus, you have failed to reject the null hypothesis that the lines person was correct in her call. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

Louis Cyphre
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:48 AM
Yes, but I think the linesperson should keep quiet. Its a SF at US Open and two great players are playing , its extrealmy important moment and then ... foot fault :o The match is over and the most important person at the end is the .... linesperson. Ridiculous :(
BUT then I agree with the umpire about the code violation. Really happy about Kim but it should not be like that.

sasha&tennis
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:48 AM
After several rain delays and no tennis playing at all the US Open does it again & robs the fans of a match that could have possible went 3 sets. After constantly reviewing that foot fault call I could not see a clear foot fault at all, it was far too close to even call confidently.

If I attended that session I would want my money back because they cheated the fans of a complete match by taking 2 points from Serena in the end. The fans were cheated, Serena was cheated & Kim was cheated because no one wants to win a match that way.

They need to have a service review system so that foot faults can be reviewed so that the players can see then if they made a foot fault or not. It was a poor decision by the ref in the end and the fans were cheated the most.

The US Open is becoming notorious for bad calls and poor judment decisions.:fiery:

Serendy Willick
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:48 AM
Serena was calm when she left the court? I don't think so!

I think it's interesting that Serena was so upbeat during the interview. Usually she is so put-out and moody after a loss (even if she played well), and here she was very congratulatory towards Kim and made it sound like the default wasn't a big deal. It was a huge deal!

Serena Williams is my favorite women's tennis player, but her behavior after that foot fault was just horrible. Yes, the call was unjust, but she should have taken it up with the chair umpire instead of verbally assulting the line judge. I teach elementary school, and if any student treated another student or teacher in the way Serena treated that line judge, they would be suspended immediately. Serena is a role model, and she needs to take a big look at her behavior. I'm really not trying to stand up for the foot fault call. I think the call was definitely unjust, but Serena was not out of the match yet, and perhaps, she could have talked to the chair umpire.

Serena did not address her behavior one bit during the press confrence. She made it seem like it wasn't a big deal to her (which I'm sure isn't true)--like she didn't do anything wrong. Again, she is a role model and needs to own up to her bad judgement (even if the original call wasn't fair). No one deserves to be treated that way.

Serena really lost some of my respect tonight, and that hurts because I really like her. Best of luck in the rest of the season, Serena, but you've got to fix that bad attitude.
Were you saying this to Johnny Mac and Capriati to when they were sceaming line calls. Considering USO 04 and this, I wouldnt blame for going off on the officials.

ArturoAce.
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:48 AM
My take:
Serena displayed a perfectly normal human reaction. I think everyone would have lost it at that point, I certainly would have in that situation. That foot fault was totally uncalled for. You do not give a foot fault on such a point in the match (unless, you've been giving foot faults all the time throughout the match).

It's a real shame this is overshadowing a great win by Kim. Because Kim did deserve that win. Serena did not deserve that foot fault.

just because its match point, you can't just ignore a foot fault. that would be ridiculous because then everyone would do it. you can't just cut people some slack just because its match point.

mboyle
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:48 AM
Who really gives a fuck about mboyle's opinion? He can't even get his facts straight.

9 pages worth of people care, apparently...

Donny
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:48 AM
1. The same logic was what kept Jews in Germany despite Hitler's threats to kill them. The law takes people at their word. Threatening to kill someone is illegal, even if your threatened method of doing so is impossible.
2. You can't prove it wasn't a foot fault. Thus, you have failed to reject the null hypothesis that the lines person was correct in her call. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

If you said "I'm going to stick my foot in your ass," or "I'm going to jump down your throat," these would be construed as threats to kill?

Bijoux0021
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:49 AM
Who really gives a fuck about mboyle's opinion? He can't even get his facts straight.
Thank you.

Steff_forever
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:49 AM
Serena Williams' chronic unsportsmanlike behavior finally caught up with her, for all the world to see. This is not how great champions comport themselves. The real "Serena" was unmasked tonight for the classless, mean-spirited being that she is. How sad to have a player that should represent her country well, but, instead, embarrass herself and her country in front of the world.

It really doesn't matter what she said exactly to that lineswoman. One could see clearly that her words and gestures were threatening and abusive in nature, and as such were a violation of the code of conduct. CBS's replay showed undeniably the repeated use of profanity. Williams's defensive and blatantly self-serving post-match interview put her in an even worse light, if possible. She's only a champion, in terms of wins. She's a loser, in terms of decency and humanity.


thanks. Nothing else then keep on playing would have been a sign of keeping real grace towards the umpire/lineswoman and esp towards your opponent...

gmokb
Sep 13th, 2009, 06:49 AM
Honestly what is so bad about that?:confused: