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SharapovaFTW
Sep 12th, 2009, 08:51 PM
Their showing the replay of the Williams sister showdown during the rain delay, and I must say Venus really blew the second set completely. That was just a huge choke on numerous points late in that tiebreak.

Pengwin
Sep 12th, 2009, 08:52 PM
I agree, Venus was playing considerably better and Serena was lucky to squeeze through. Venus really did mess it up. Still it was an amazing match!

Petkorazzi
Sep 12th, 2009, 08:53 PM
True. She had 7 set points in one of those sets I believe!

volta
Sep 12th, 2009, 08:53 PM
her winning 1 set doesn't mean that she was going to win the whole match though.

anyway it's 08 it's done, i just want this freaking rain to go away :fiery:

WowWow
Sep 12th, 2009, 08:54 PM
Yep.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:06 PM
...That was just a huge choke on numerous points late in that tiebreak.
Yep.

I agree, Venus was playing considerably better and Serena was lucky to squeeze through. Venus really did mess it up. Still it was an amazing match!

Not when it mattered most.

Miss Amor
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:09 PM
Thats the reason Serena has 11 Grandslams and Venus has 7. Serena is stronger mentally.

Donny
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:17 PM
Tons of great players have "blown it" against Serena. Henin's match points in Miami 07, Dementieva's match point at Wimbledon, Maria's MPs in the 05 AO, Kuznetsova serving for the match this year in Melbourne... after a while, you have to think it has more to do with Serena than the other player.

LightWarrior
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:20 PM
10 set or so points she squandered ? Honestly it's hard to believe. Oh well, Serena had to win the USO last year...

Bijoux0021
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:22 PM
Tons of great players have "blown it" against Serena. Henin's match points in Miami 07, Dementieva's match point at Wimbledon, Maria's MPs in the 05 AO, Kuznetsova serving for the match this year in Melbourne... after a while, you have to think it has more to do with Serena than the other player.
Yeah, and Clijsters can tell you a thing or two about "blowing up" big matches against Serena.:)

pav
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:22 PM
I'm just thanful I had recorded the formula one qualifying and could watch something else in the morning, a repeat of those two would have put me off my breakfast!

Dodoboy.
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:23 PM
stream?

The Daviator
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:26 PM
One of Serena's greatest wins and the best match of last year :worship: Vee had 10 SPs throughout, couldn't believe how Serena snatched that second set :worship:

The Dawntreader
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:29 PM
That smash:sad::mad::lol:

I really enjoyed this match though. A year later of course:lol:

volta
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:31 PM
I'm just thanful I had recorded the formula one qualifying and could watch something else in the morning, a repeat of those two would have put me off my breakfast!

your TV only has one channel?

Miss Amor
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:32 PM
your TV only has one channel?

Owned :haha:

mauresmofan
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:33 PM
Venus was playing well enough last year to really have won the US Open and several other tournaments. I felt at her best last year she was better than anyone else at theirs but then it just seemed to unravel for her this year and it's a shame. She needs to win matches to gain confidence without which she is a very vunrable player. Serena it has to be said is incredible mentally and is certainly up there with the greatest of all time in that respect. The big pressure situations seem to bring out her best and I'd rank her alongside Graf, Seles and Evert in that respect and way above Navratilova who did let the scoreboard get to her when matches were tight.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:33 PM
your TV only has one channel?

:lol:

jefrilibra
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:52 PM
One of the best matches last year overall.

Venus was playing THE Serena Williams, not some Vera "I Hate My Bandage" Zvonereva!

VeeJJ
Sep 12th, 2009, 10:20 PM
Thats the reason Serena has 11 Grandslams and Venus has 7. Serena is stronger mentally.

this could be true.. but i think it may be also because Venus is the older sister. I think that plays a big part..... If serena were older i think it would be the other way around.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 12th, 2009, 10:24 PM
your TV only has one channel?

:lol:

Lulu.
Sep 12th, 2009, 10:27 PM
this could be true.. but i think it may be also because Venus is the older sister. I think that plays a big part..... If serena were older i think it would be the other way around.

I don't. It's Serena's personality, she'd be the same way if the roles were switched.

MBM
Sep 12th, 2009, 10:34 PM
argh! i was just getting this match out of my head

tennisbum79
Sep 12th, 2009, 10:46 PM
After watching this match again and seeing what has happened since then, I am really concerned about Venus decision making and ability to handle pressure situations in crucial point, especially against Serena,

When Venus plays Serena, all you have to do is look a Venus face to predict who is going to win, regardless of the score.

tennisbum79
Sep 12th, 2009, 10:47 PM
argh! i was just getting this match out of my head

It is even more disturbing to me now (after seeing it again) than it was the first time.

serenus_2k8
Sep 12th, 2009, 10:50 PM
this could be true.. but i think it may be also because Venus is the older sister. I think that plays a big part..... If serena were older i think it would be the other way around.

Switching ages wouldnt stop Serena being better technically.

tennisbum79
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:01 PM
Thats the reason Serena has 11 Grandslams and Venus has 7. Serena is stronger mentally.
I am afraid I agree with you.

Maybe this is what Richard prediced in 1997, when he said, if you think Venus is good now, waiting until you see Serena, she is even better.

Tennis officiandos thought Richard was crazy and ridiculed him. But he never backed down.

This is when Venus made her first appeareance at GS and no one had seen Serena yet, she was only known as Venus little sistser.

Thanx4nothin
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:10 PM
I am afraid I agree with you.

Maybe this is what Richard prediced in 1997, when he said, if you think Venus, waitn until you see Serena, she is even better. Tennis offiiciandos thought Richard was crazy and ridiculed him. But he never backed down.

This when Venus made her first and no one had seen Serena yet, she was only known as Venus little sistser.

Amazing that then, when Venus was a far superior player, he STILL knew that Serena would be superior...he has been an incredible profit. He certainly knows tennis, AND his daughters! :hearts:

Paneru
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:17 PM
I am afraid I agree with you.

Maybe this is what Richard prediced in 1997, when he said, if you think Venus, waitn until you see Serena, she is even better. Tennis offiiciandos thought Richard was crazy and ridiculed him. But he never backed down.

This when Venus made her first and no one had seen Serena yet, she was only known as Venus little sistser.

Richard said Serena would be better because she was meaner.

Serena has a killer instinct that Venus doesn't.

Remember,

Venus: "I want to win, but I want Serena to win too."

You have never and will never hear Serena say that about any player including her sister.

spencercarlos
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Planet Venus????

tennisbum79
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:33 PM
Richard said Serena would be better because she was meaner.

Serena has a killer instinct that Venus doesn't. .
Probably true at the time of their early development.
But Richard may also have seen something else it tooks us time to see and which is now evident.

The desire to win, to not show weakness, to manage the match well.


Remember,

Venus: "I want to win, but I want Serena to win too."

You have never and will never hear Serena say that about any player including her sister.
You are absolutely correct.

Venus takes this "big sistser" thing too far some time and it has affected her ability to compete against Serena.

Olórin
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:38 PM
I'm not really a believer in the big sister thing. I certainly don't think it played a factor when Venus went 0-5 against Serena in major finals.

But I do think it came into play a little in this match, combined with Venus' problem in closing out big matches and fluffing the big points, that led to a lot of set points going down the drain.

V's a star
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I wasnt only ten set points. She had 5-3 leads in BOTH sets!!!
VENUS= GREATEST CHOKER OF ALL TIME :help:

I cant decide if this or the 2005 USO QF are her worst loses ever

Olórin
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:45 PM
Yep Venus was very up and down in this match. But so was Serena, and we must not forget she displayed some amazing fight and made a few gets which quickly changed momentum.

Craig.
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:50 PM
That smash :smash:

tennisbum79
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Yep Venus was very up and down in this match. But so was Serena, and we must not forget she displayed some amazing fight and made a few gets which quickly changed momentum.
The botom line is. Serena always seems to seize the opportunity when it presents itself.

Venus on the other hand, let every opportunity slip away.
So nervous was Venus, that she could not even put away balls Serena had conceded to her.
This happen in both set at set point for Venus.

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:54 PM
Venus' dress in that match was :hearts: though.

V's a star
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:57 PM
I think the thing that really changed the match is when she slipped on her 1st set point after hitting a serve at 6-4 in the TB. Such bad luck


Yes Serena did amazing not to make an error on one of those set points. but surely Venus shud have closed it out, was in many postions during the points to do so but jus epically FAILED

V's a star
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:10 AM
btw how is the OP not banned yet :confused:

harloo
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:12 AM
I can think of numerous occasions where Venus had the opportunity to win a slam and she didn't take it. In most of those cases Serena was nowhere in sight.

tennisbum79
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:17 AM
I can think of numerous occasions where Venus had the opportunity to win a slam and she didn't take it. In most of those cases Serena was nowhere in sight.
Can you just list a few of those "numerous occasions"

As far as I know, most Venus Slam final losses have been against Serena.

VeeJJ
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:07 AM
I don't. It's Serena's personality, she'd be the same way if the roles were switched.

you can't say that cuz you have no idea what personality she would have if she were the older sister. she would be a different person.... venus was serena's roel model growing up and venus acted as such. i think it would be much different if everything was switched. Venus watched serena grow and helped her become the competitor she is today... can ya blame her for not going into a match against serena with the midset of bageling her?

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:23 AM
Can you just list a few of those "numerous occasions"

As far as I know, most Venus Slam final losses have been against Serena.

You only get 1 match to WIN a major, but you can LOSE it at any of 7 times :shrug:

Times that Venus has "blown it" in majors where Serena wasn't her opponent.
2002 AO
2004 AO
2004 FO
2005 USO
2006 FO
2006 W

Stamp Paid
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:33 AM
Venus really blows it every year. LOL

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:51 AM
You only get 1 match to WIN a major, but you can LOSE it at any of 7 times :shrug:

Times that Venus has "blown it" in majors where Serena wasn't her opponent.
2002 AO
2004 AO
2004 FO
2005 USO
2006 FO
2006 W
I'll add to this:

2008 AO QF - losing to Ivanovic having previously held a 4-0 record, with no sets dropped.

2009 AO R2 - losing to Suarez Navarro after leading 5-2 in the third set and having a MP (Serena would've been her opponent in the semis I suppose though).

2009 FO R3 - Getting bagelled by the likes of Agnes Szavay. :weirdo:

tennisbum79
Sep 13th, 2009, 01:54 AM
You only get 1 match to WIN a major, but you can LOSE it at any of 7 times :shrug:

Times that Venus has "blown it" in majors where Serena wasn't her opponent.
2002 AO
2004 AO
2004 FO
2005 USO
2006 FO
2006 W
I was talking about finals.

V's a star
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:37 AM
:lol: u guys are funny. Why dont we just count every Venus Williams GS loss:rolleyes:

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 13th, 2009, 03:38 AM
:lol: u guys are funny. Why dont we just count every Venus Williams GS loss:rolleyes:
I don't think anyone (well most people) are wanting to diss her but you have to admit she does underperform to put it mildly.

V's a star
Sep 13th, 2009, 07:38 AM
I don't think anyone (well most people) are wanting to diss her but you have to admit she does underperform to put it mildly.

I have never said she hasnt. If anyone wud know it wud be myself and ive posted about it many times lol.

Having said that she has achieved more then anyone else on tour (besides Serena) by a considerable margin :shrug:
QF to even 2nd round losses as ur saying is not "blowing GS" seriously why not just count them all then?

Selah
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Venus really blows it every year. LOL

And Serena took the cake, did it better, and blew it this year. lmao. I had to get a dig in there at you, notice you are back to taking digs at my girl;)

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 13th, 2009, 02:01 PM
I have never said she hasnt. If anyone wud know it wud be myself and ive posted about it many times lol.

Having said that she has achieved more then anyone else on tour (besides Serena) by a considerable margin :shrug:
QF to even 2nd round losses as ur saying is not "blowing GS" seriously why not just count them all then?
:hug: Venus might still have an Aussie Open in her yet. :D You just never know. :)

V's a star
Sep 13th, 2009, 09:32 PM
:hug: Venus might still have an Aussie Open in her yet. :D You just never know. :)

I always keep the faith :angel:

If Venus is healthy she has the physical capability to win anything even in her 30s. Its more her mind and if both can work at the same time. It only seems to happen at Wimbledon (after 2003) until this past year where shes won some big tournaments. Now next year she just really needs to focus on bringing what she brought to those tournaments to slams outside of Wimbledon.
Mainly AO RG

vwfan
Sep 14th, 2009, 01:56 AM
I don't. It's Serena's personality, she'd be the same way if the roles were switched.No, she wouldn't. She is the way she is in part because of her place in the family.

Anyway, Venus blew it against Serena. uhmmmmm. . .is this a news flash. :rolleyes:

davidmario
Sep 14th, 2009, 02:09 AM
there was a thread last year about it. "venus did all she could to not win the match!"

vwfan
Sep 14th, 2009, 02:13 AM
You only get 1 match to WIN a major, but you can LOSE it at any of 7 times :shrug:

Times that Venus has "blown it" in majors where Serena wasn't her opponent.
2002 AO
2004 AO
2004 FO
2005 USO
2006 FO
2006 W

2002 AO (ankle injury)
2004 AO (first major after six month layoff)
2004 FO (recovering from ankle injury, but also played a shitty match granted
2005 USO (anemia, but also played a shitty match granted)
2006 FO (was Venus favored here? really?)
2006 W (wrist injury, but also played a shitty match and imploded)

In each of those matches, Venus either was playing with a injury or just coming back from an injury. Besides, as I've said before she has been in 14 grand slam finals (same as GOATrena). She has lost to one player not named Serena and that was in her first ever grand slam final. Despite all Serena's technical superiority, mental toughness, blah, blah, blah, she has been in the same number of finals as Venus Williams and is the best of her generation primarily because she won six slam finals beating her sister.

That's great for Serena. And if Venus let Serena get the mental edge in all the big tournaments while winning in exos and other tournaments, well all I can say is shame on her and congrats to Serena.:tape:

next topic, please!