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Volcana
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:17 PM
Obviously she can ranking wise, since she's already in the top ten. I'm thinking more like results. Capriati played that style, but she hit with so much more pace, the opponent didn't have a lot of time to decide what to do. ASV is the most successful player I can think of who was so purely a retriever.

Journeywoman
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:18 PM
Arantxa had a good slice, net-play, and vast more tactical skills.

Plus, she was an infinitely better mover and mentally tougher.

No.

CloudAtlas
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:20 PM
Arantxa had a good slice, net-play, and vast more tactical skills.

Plus, she was an infinitely better mover and mentally tougher.

No.



They key phrase being "can develop", the OP didn't say she has those things right now.

Slutiana
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:22 PM
It's a natural thing, :shrug: She can be taught or learn them, but they won't be anywhere as good as the way a natural plays finesse shots.

Steffica Greles
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:25 PM
LOL!!!

And Ci....Cibulkanova?....tsk, the short blonde girl who played Marat's sister, the one who's number one, in the RG semi-final...might develop into Serena Williams, right? :lol:

Daniela Wozniacki. Please! She's not all that bad, as bad players of today go. But Arantxa was a WARRIOR on the court. A lion. She had a game far more complete than this Polish girl. Arantxa might have been a player devoid of huge shots, but she had the heart and stomach of a King, to quote another great woman.

Agnieszka Wozniacki as Arantxa indeed. What an insult!

She's not half the woman.

tennisbum79
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:33 PM
I am not sure she can sustain that pace of play as she grows.

I believe you have to be light on your feet ( i.e. small stature) to keep moving side by side, back and forth between the net and baseline.

She should probably add more pace to her shots.

WowWow
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:36 PM
No, and why should she?
She should develop into better version of herself, as any other player.

jj74
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:45 PM
ASV had a good backhand, she was able to won points on the net, she was probably the best defensive player of the 90's, and she was strong mentally.
I know a lot of people think that without bashing the ball you haven't any future nowadays, but a player with the qualities of Arantxa will be a top contender at RG without any problem. Most current top players (with some exceptions) are head cases, so a woman who is able to keep her nerves, don't make tons of UE, and has a good defense has her chances to do well

Martian KC
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:47 PM
Arantxa had a good slice, net-play, and vast more tactical skills.

Plus, she was an infinitely better mover and mentally tougher.

No.

Agreed. I can't believe when people say Arantxa was only a retriever. Her game has to be the most underrated.

She has the worst net skills I've seen on a young player. She does not look like she's looking to expand her game.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:49 PM
Arantxa had a good slice, net-play, and vast more tactical skills.

Plus, she was an infinitely better mover and mentally tougher.

No.
Agreed. ASV was much grittier (whatever the hell that means).

I think Woz' is going to have a good several more months and then fade. I don't think she's going to develop much more. Sorry, but :shrug: that's what I think. And maybe even secretly hope.

She's a nice kid, though.

The closest thing to ASV on tour probably is JJ.

tennisbum79
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:52 PM
She's a nice kid, though.
Kiss of death:devil:

Apoleb
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:52 PM
The difference between them is that between night and day.

Another stupid player comparison on TF.

Steffica Greles
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:56 PM
ASV had a good backhand, she was able to won points on the net, she was probably the best defensive player of the 90's, and she was strong mentally.
I know a lot of people think that without bashing the ball you haven't any future nowadays, but a player with the qualities of Arantxa will be a top contender at RG without any problem. Most current top players (with some exceptions) are head cases, so a woman who is able to keep her nerves, don't make tons of UE, and has a good defense has her chances to do well

People often, and sometimes even Arantxa's greatest admirers, do her a disservice.

She did not have Seles' pounding drives, or Steffi's forehand or serve, but there was actually a lot of variety to her game, and many ways she could hurt her opponents. No player reaches two Wimbledon finals, and comes with five points of the title, as well as reaching major finals on all surfaces multiple times, with merely defensive skills. Just look at the players she defeated in grandslam championships: Seles, Graf, Evert, Sabatini, Pierce, Novotna, Venus, Serena - you don't defeat those players on big occasions if you're just a retriever, nor amass Arantxa's haul of doubles slams.

Yes, she is renowned for defensive brilliance, but she could volley better than all bar one or two, almost never missed a smash, had a reliable serve and a backhand from which she could generate as much pace as the most ferocious, as well as slice as well as any player. Watch her at times outdrive Seles from her backhand side in the 1991 French Open final.

That Arantxa was a 'retriever' is one of the biggest myths of tennis. She was a player with variety, great defensive skills being prominent.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:59 PM
People often, and sometimes even Arantxa's greatest admirers, do her a disservice.

She did not have Seles' pounding drives, or Steffi's forehand or serve, but there was actually a lot of variety to her game, and many ways she could hurt her opponents. No player reaches two Wimbledon finals, and comes with five points of the title, as well as reaching major finals on all surfaces multiple times, with merely defensive skills. Just look at the players she defeated in grandslam championships: Seles, Graf, Evert, Sabatini, Pierce, Novotna, Venus, Serena - you don't defeat those players on big occasions if you're just a retriever, nor amass Arantxa's haul of doubles slams.

Yes, she is renowned for defensive brilliance, but she could volley better than all bar one or two, almost never missed a smash, had a reliable serve and a backhand from which she could generate as much pace as any player, as well as slice as well as any player. Watch her at times outdrive Seles from her backhand side in the 1991 French Open final.

That Arantxa was a 'retriever' is one of the biggest myths of tennis. She was a player with variety, great defensive skills being prominent.

But her weapon of choice, that WON most often for her was her defensive skills. Admittedly though, it's been a while since I've watched any of her matches. They're not something that I look to replay that often.

brent-o
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:02 PM
I totally agreed with all that's been said. Sanchez-Vicario was a gutsy tactician in a time where that counted for something. One of my favorite memories of her is when she played Graf at the French in 1989 and played this ridiculously-bad-on-purpose drop shot that lured Steffi to the net. When Steffi got set to hit a forehand, Aranxta faked and was right there waiting for it. Caroline hasn't impressed me tactically. Her game is just to be as consistent as possible, which works for her. And she shares that in common with Arantxa. But the comparison stops there.

jj74
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:07 PM
People often, and sometimes even Arantxa's greatest admirers, do her a disservice.

She did not have Seles' pounding drives, or Steffi's forehand or serve, but there was actually a lot of variety to her game, and many ways she could hurt her opponents. No player reaches two Wimbledon finals, and comes with five points of the title, as well as reaching major finals on all surfaces multiple times, with merely defensive skills. Just look at the players she defeated in grandslam championships: Seles, Graf, Evert, Sabatini, Pierce, Novotna, Venus, Serena - you don't defeat those players on big occasions if you're just a retriever, nor amass Arantxa's haul of doubles slams.

Yes, she is renowned for defensive brilliance, but she could volley better than all bar one or two, almost never missed a smash, had a reliable serve and a backhand from which she could generate as much pace as the most ferocious, as well as slice as well as any player. Watch her at times outdrive Seles from her backhand side in the 1991 French Open final.

That Arantxa was a 'retriever' is one of the biggest myths of tennis. She was a player with variety, great defensive skills being prominent.

Yes, she had a lot of skills, but she is know for her defensive skills for one reason, she is the only player i remeber who was able to spend all the match on defense, and end winning 61 61.
But the truth is that she was able to be agresive too (in fact she was better when she played agresive). She had some lacks like her serve and her forehand, but she was a tough tough player. Nobody could be able to compete with Graf or Seles, who not only had massive weapons, but both were mentally strong, and even ASV had not so good h2h against them, she always was able to give them a rum for their money.
I get angry when people say that a player like ASV won't be a top player in the current tour, that's not truth, she had victories against the williams (even when she was far from her best) and she was terrific on clay (most current tops suck at clay)

Cakeisgood
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:16 PM
LOL!!!

And Ci....Cibulkanova?....tsk, the short blonde girl who played Marat's sister, the one who's number one, in the RG semi-final...might develop into Serena Williams, right? :lol:

Daniela Wozniacki. Please! She's not all that bad, as bad players of today go. But Arantxa was a WARRIOR on the court. A lion. She had a game far more complete than this Polish girl. Arantxa might have been a player devoid of huge shots, but she had the heart and stomach of a King, to quote another great woman.

Agnieszka Wozniacki as Arantxa indeed. What an insult!

She's not half the woman.

You must think you're so intelligent.

is1531
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:24 PM
[QUOTE=Volcana;16472886]Obviously she can ranking wise, since she's already in the top ten. I'm thinking more like results. Capriati played that style, but she hit with so much more pace, the opponent didn't have a lot of time to decide what to do. ASV is the most successful player I can think of who was so purely a retriever.

Your talking about maybe the most boring female tennis player I ever saw play when you talk about Sachez Vaccario. I will throw in Conchita Martinez, How can I forget the queen of boredom in Carla Suarez Navarro. Never mention Capriati with those other players. Capriati had tremendous talent. Capriatti won 3 Grand Slams. :)

Lunaris
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:29 PM
Wozniacki is already better.

Joseosu19
Sep 12th, 2009, 12:10 AM
[quote=Volcana;16472886]Obviously she can ranking wise, since she's already in the top ten. I'm thinking more like results. Capriati played that style, but she hit with so much more pace, the opponent didn't have a lot of time to decide what to do. ASV is the most successful player I can think of who was so purely a retriever.

Your talking about maybe the most boring female tennis player I ever saw play when you talk about Sachez Vaccario. I will throw in Conchita Martinez, How can I forget the queen of boredom in Carla Suarez Navarro. Never mention Capriati with those other players. Capriati had tremendous talent. Capriatti won 3 Grand Slams. :)
I bet you've never even seen an actual match of Arantxa's.
Oh and by the way Arantxa won 4 Grand Slams.:)

The Dawntreader
Sep 12th, 2009, 12:24 AM
Doubtful. Sanchez-Vicario had twice the footspeed and array of skills than Wozniacki will ever have.