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OohZuzana
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:11 PM
Full of confidence after beating Andy Roddick, John Isner says any player inside the top 800 in the ATP could beat the WTA #1

http://www.thedailyforehand.com/2009/9/11/1025561/host-how-far-down-the-mens-list

I don't necessarily disagree, I just don't know why he was dumb enough to make these comments to the press :rolleyes:

Caralenko
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:12 PM
And here come the floods :o

Nice work - just because you beat Roddick you can belittle the WTA :) He's doing better than most people here though, who do nothing and assume that their belittling of the WTA is worth something.

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:13 PM
Well John Isner was beaten by my Nando the next round so I don't know what he's feeling so cocky about. :weirdo:

Marcelo.
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:13 PM
:yawn:

Peak Serena >>>>> Peak Isner :( :tears:

Chris 84
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:14 PM
i have a better question for him.

how far down the world would john isner be if everyone had to serve underarm? it would be waaaaay below 800 anyway :tape:
Hell, even with his huge serve he has never established himself as a top100 player :lol:

iPatty
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:14 PM
Correct.

Petkorazzi
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:15 PM
Some should inform him that season is 10 months, not July-August. :wavey:

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:16 PM
WTA world No.1 is Safina. Any college-level player would kill her.

RYNJ
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:18 PM
He's a hero now in any men's tennis fourm for saying that comment :rolleyes:

Sam L
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:19 PM
Serena will beat Isner on clay.

Seriously, another man with a need to compensate for what they lack. What is wrong with some of these men? :confused:

TS
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:20 PM
I'd feel pretty cheap if I was ranked 805 and I heard him say that. Hmph.

Caralenko
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:21 PM
WTA world No.1 is Safina. Any college-level player would kill her.

And you're a Kournikova fan? :scratch:

OohZuzana
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:22 PM
I'd feel pretty cheap if I was ranked 805 and I heard him say that. Hmph.

:lol:

mure
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Correct.

a few hours left for ipatty in this forum :bounce:

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:24 PM
And you're a Kournikova fan? :scratch:

What does Kournikova have to do with this topic?

The Dawntreader
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:24 PM
Who cares?

Not like it will ever materialise.

kman
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:25 PM
He's right.

Girls are the weaker sex.

iPatty
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:25 PM
WTA world No.1 is Safina. Any college-level player would kill her.

Not any of them. I'd say the Top10 Division I college players could kill her.

But they wouldn't have a problem beating any of the other WTA players too...it's not just Dinara. :rolleyes:

Rafito.
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:26 PM
Serena is stronger than some of the guys in the ATP.

kman
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:27 PM
Serena is stronger than some of the guys in the ATP.

No.

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:27 PM
Who cares?

Not like it will ever materialise.

WS tried to play a certain Karsten Braasch. We know what happened to them.

Caralenko
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:28 PM
What does Kournikova have to do with this topic?

Not this topic per say, just to your comment. I thought it was amusing that you are a fan of Kournikova, but are quick to belittle another high-ranked, young Russian with serving woes and a bubbly personality ;)

On subject, Isner is going to get so much hate for this :o

Привет
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Host: "How far down the men’s list would beat the number one woman in the world. How far down do you believe the number goes?

John Isner: "Oh gosh, I don’t want get the backlash from this comment. It would go down pretty far."

Host: "You know the truth. Just say the truth, you know it, you’re there."

John Isner: "I think 700 or 800 in the world."

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You know a good way to not get backlash for a comment, John? DON'T. MAKE. IT. :spit:

Seriously, whether the comment is true or not is not the point. The point is that he was stupid for saying it, even more stupid considering he didn't want to create controversy. This 'Host' baited him and he fell for it hook, line and sinker. :o

Anyway, I don't get what the point of these types of comments is. :confused: Would the 800th ranked male player feel some sort of sense of achievement if he played and beat the women's world no. 1? :confused:
Wouldn't that be something to tell the grandchildren: "So I sucked balls against my actual competitors, but hey, I beat a woman!!! Ohhh yeah... :rocker2:" :rolls: :o

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:31 PM
Not this topic per say, just to your comment. I thought it was amusing that you are a fan of Kournikova, but are quick to belittle another high-ranked, young Russian with serving woes and a bubbly personality ;)


I'm a well-known Safina hater.

OohZuzana
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:32 PM
Would the 800th ranked male player feel some sort of achievement if he played and beat the women's world no. 1? :confused:
Wouldn't that be something to tell the grandchildren: "So I sucked balls against my actual competitors, but hey, I beat a woman!!! Ohhh yeah... :rocker2:" :rolls: :o

I think so! If I beat the WTA #1 I'd sure tell my grandkids about it :drool:

goldenlox
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:33 PM
800 is very low. Probably 8,000

miffedmax
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:33 PM
He should have just told the guy to fuck off. What kind of idiot even asks such a stupid, irrelevant question? Who cares? How far down the WTA ranks would you have to go to find a player I could take a game off of? Geez. People can bitch and moan about Federer and Roddick all they want, but at least they give the women some props. After reading the quote in context, I have to say I'm less irritated with Isner and more pissed at whatever idiot was wasting his time with such a trollish, useless question and not backing off when Isner tried to be gracious and get out of it. Though try harder, next time, John.

Anyway, no man will ever beat Lena's bangs!

Привет
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:35 PM
I think so! If I beat the WTA #1 I'd sure tell my grandkids about it :drool:

The difference?

You're not a pro tennis player. ;)

nevetssllim
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:36 PM
Who cares what Isner thinks? He's had a few decent results in the past few months so now he feels he's justified to make comments like this?

I'm sure Serena and Venus could beat some fairly high ranked clay-court numpties on grass.

Привет
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:37 PM
He should have just told the guy to fuck off. What kind of idiot even asks such a stupid, irrelevant question? Who cares? How far down the WTA ranks would you have to go to find a player I could take a game off of? Geez. People can bitch and moan about Federer and Roddick all they want, but at least they give the women some props. After reading the quote in context, I have to say I'm less irritated with Isner and more pissed at whatever idiot was wasting his time with such a trollish, useless question and not backing off when Isner tried to be gracious and get out of it. Though try harder, next time, John.

Anyway, no man will ever beat Lena's bangs!

Indeed. Although it would've been nice to see John take the high road and answer with something like, "I don't think it's necessary to say a number."

Olórin
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:37 PM
Well the WTA number one is Safina, could he beat the WTA number two though? :p

Galsen
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:38 PM
Caro is better than him :o

Tanja8
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:38 PM
So what.
I`m sure that N.800 in the world short distance running would run 100m faster than female world champion.
You just can`t compare this.

Rafito.
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:40 PM
Well the WTA number one is Safina, could he beat the WTA number two though? :p

Nope, He can not beat Serena.

Beat
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:41 PM
After reading the quote in context, I have to say I'm less irritated with Isner and more pissed at whatever idiot was wasting his time with such a trollish, useless question

this.

vadin124
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:41 PM
the single most pointless topic in tennis.

the men and women have a different tour for a very good reason...genetically, men are physically stronger than women...get the hell over it people!

proportionally, the men and the women are equal!

what do these morons expect the women to do? pump themselves with hormones/steroids so they can match the men??

fact of the matter is, whether the ATP #10485747392912 could beat the WTA No.1? who the f**k cares, everyone knows its a genetic thing, and it's the most done-to-death pointless topic ever!

Marionated
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:42 PM
I remember Sam Smith and one of the male commentators comparing womens tennis to mens tennis earlier on in the year. Sam said Serena wouldn't make the top 1000 on the mens side. The men are far stronger physically. Isner is correct.

Tanja8
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:45 PM
It`s just nonsense.
I bet any woman can give a birth before any man can. Men and women are different - maybe Isner missed his biology lesson at school.:lol:

Matt01
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:53 PM
Well the WTA number one is Safina, could he beat the WTA number two though? :p


Yes. Probably even easily.

youizahoe
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:54 PM
Serena would push that isner into bagels. Make him run and you always win the point, though returning that serve might be an issue :rolls:.

And I don't think a lot of men are stronger than the women, there is the top 10. But below the top 10 most men only have a nice serve and weak ass groundies, and then they are of course amazed they never get high in the ranks :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:05 PM
wow....revelation....:yawn:

belzebub
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:07 PM
Possibly a rabbit outruns Asana Powell as well.

Julian.
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:09 PM
:spit:

What a sexist!

Viktymise
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:14 PM
Serena will beat Isner on clay.

And I'd beat Federer on sand. :lol:

Julian.
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:17 PM
Btw, isn't ATP #800 filled with Juniors?

I don't think they can beat Safina and Serena. :spit:

debby
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:21 PM
Omg @ some people who actually believe Serena would crush the one who just defeated the World Number 5 Andy Roddick on hardcourts. And Isner has a way bigger serve than Serena's.

chuvack
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:23 PM
I am sure that Serena could beat many players in ATP's top 800. Safina, though, I don't know.

The only way to really know is to play the matches.

Princeza
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Obvious that Serena can def whoever she wants.

chuvack
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:25 PM
Correct.


Technically yes, correct. The ATP #800 COULD beat the WTA #1. But there is a difference between COULD and WOULD, no?

debby
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:25 PM
Obvious that Serena can def whoever she wants.

Yes, she can demolish Federer on grass 6-0 6-0 :drool:

mure
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:28 PM
atp 800 is Benjamin Dracos of France!Dracos?What kind of name is this?

Julian.
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM
LOL! Even WTA#800 could beat ATP#1. :spit:

Princeza
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:31 PM
Yes, she can demolish Federer on grass 6-0 6-0 :drool:

Winning all the points too.

The Dawntreader
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:33 PM
WS tried to play a certain Karsten Braasch. We know what happened to them.

Yeah, but this wasn't an official match.

Of course the men have a physical advantage, actually they have a considerable advantage. It's the same with nearly every animal in the natural world.

It's not a sexist thing, it's true. Especially in tennis, where even the lower ranks rely on power serving.

young_gunner913
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:36 PM
John is such a douche. :o

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:38 PM
Yeah, but this wasn't an official match.

Of course the men have a physical advantage, actually they have a considerable advantage. It's the same with nearly every animal in the natural world.

It's not a sexist thing, it's true. Especially in tennis, where even the lower ranks rely on power serving.

Actually, for most species of insects (who make up around 90% of the species of animal on earth) and most birds of prey, and some reptiles, females are the larger, stronger sex. But with mammals, yes, males are larger.

I don't see why people are taking offense to Isner's answer. The same would be true of any professional sport. A good high school bball team could probably beat the top WNBA team pretty easily as well. If anything, the gap between the sexes is decidedly less in tennis than other sports.

Justin
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:39 PM
He's completely correct. It's a no-brainer.

This board is going to revert back to the days when people actually believed that Venus and/or Serena cold beat John McEnroe. The thought of that is just laughable.

mariahdg
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
I can see some enjoy the pleasant sensation by having
inferiority complex.

HippityHop
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:00 PM
Clearly being a good tennis player doesn't mean that you have the brains to conduct and interview.

Hell, most of the men on the ATP tour could probably beat any woman in the WTA in a fist fight too. What's the point?

Lord what fools these ATP players be.

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:02 PM
Of course the men have a physical advantage, actually they have a considerable advantage. It's the same with nearly every animal in the natural world.

It's not a sexist thing, it's true. Especially in tennis, where even the lower ranks rely on power serving.

:worship:

CloudAtlas
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:06 PM
State the obvious why don't you Mr Isner?

Mother nature doesn't care about political correctness , men are physically stronger and faster than the women so naturally they'd beat them. However on skill alone I'm not so sure that the men are definetely better, in tennis anyway. Probably better than the current top 10 but when you look at players like Mauresmo, Henin and even Serena I think if in their peaks they played the men on a level playing field so equal strength , stamina and speed I'm not too sure the men would always come out on top, certainly not those ranked #800.

I think anyone can beat the current WTA #1 so that's not much of a mean feat anyway.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Clearly being a good tennis player doesn't mean that you have the brains to conduct and interview.

Hell, most of the men on the ATP tour could probably beat any woman in the WTA in a fist fight too. What's the point?

Lord what fools these ATP players be.

not all...at least federer and roddick seem to genuinely pay attention to their counterparts and comment fairly...

it's amazing that because something is "true" these people jump on the bandwaggon to bash the wta, but when certain wta players say what is "true" they are called arrogant, self centred etc and told they need to learn manners and be PC...

Cersei
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:10 PM
*sigh* Why do they keep bringing this up? You don't hear Usain Bolt say stupid shit like this about Shelly-Ann Fraser. :rolleyes:

You can't compare WTA to ATP. Now get the fuck over it. Jeez.

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:12 PM
Clearly being a good tennis player doesn't mean that you have the brains to conduct and interview.

Hell, most of the men on the ATP tour could probably beat any woman in the WTA in a fist fight too. What's the point?

Lord what fools these ATP players be.

Well, for starters, the men and women are currently playing in the same tournament, and are paid equal amounts of money. It's considered, for all intents and purposes, the same sport.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:17 PM
*sigh* Why do they keep bringing this up? You don't hear Usain Bolt say stupid shit like this about Shelly-Ann Fraser. :rolleyes:

You can't compare WTA to ATP. Now get the fuck over it. Jeez.

exactly...women's track and field sucks because they can't run as fast as the men, jump as far, or jump as high, throw as far etc...so they shouldn't share in the golden league prize money...

women gymnasts can't tumble like the men on the floor exercise, they can't do still rings or high bar the same....

women swimmers don't swim as fast as the men

women figure skaters can't do the quadruple jumps, only the tripe jumps

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:21 PM
*sigh* Why do they keep bringing this up? You don't hear Usain Bolt say stupid shit like this about Shelly-Ann Fraser. :rolleyes:

You can't compare WTA to ATP. Now get the fuck over it. Jeez.

That's mostly because track fans don't go around saying Shelly-Ann Fraser could beat professional male runners. It doesn't need to be said.

But I agree, there's no need in constantly bringing it up, from either side of the debate.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:28 PM
but federer knows he can probably beat everyone on the wta with both hands tied and blindfolded (such is his jedi nature :worship: ) but he doesn't go around bashing the wta...he even respects serena and seems to keep up to date on the counter part tour...why?? because you don't compare them...you don't go around bashing them senselessly just to make yourself "look" better..."yea i can beat a woman" proves so much

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:31 PM
but federer knows he can probably beat everyone on the wta with both hands tied and blindfolded (such is his jedi nature :worship: ) but he doesn't go around bashing the wta...he even respects serena and seems to keep up to date on the counter part tour...why?? because you don't compare them...you don't go around bashing them senselessly just to make yourself "look" better..."yea i can beat a woman" proves so much

That's because fed's pretty humble, as athletes go. If you suggested to Kobe that WNBA players could beat benchwarmers on the NBA, you'd probably get a not so nice remark in return.

Renalicious
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:35 PM
Oh get real with this. The Women are not that bad, stop underestimating them. :rolleyes: Someone mentioning 8000 :spit: yeah right.

Either way, the statement is irrelevant, who cares :shrug: I love the women more anyway :hearts:

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:35 PM
that's because kobe is a prick :lol: even though he would be right...fed isn't as humble as people think :lol: but for an atp player to treat the wta with at least some worth is much more than the followers of that tour...they treat the wta like some sort of STD

Lighter
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:37 PM
John Isner is right. Current ATP n°800 is French and he is ranked -30 : it means between 50th and 100th French player.

And the best French french female players (Marion Bartoli and Amélie Mauresmo) have regularly played ties during training vs such players ranked - 30 or -15 in France or in Switzerland. Marion and Amélie have said that they can win matches if the player doesn't have a huge 1st serve. If they can return the 1st serve, it's possible.

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:37 PM
that's because kobe is a prick :lol: even though he would be right...fed isn't as humble as people think :lol: but for an atp player to treat the wta with at least some worth is much more than the followers of that tour...they treat the wta like some sort of STD

That's because most of them are probably nerdy teenage boys who don't play sports and have no idea how much effort any type of physical competition takes, and take out their frustration with girls on the WTA. See MTF for a prime example.

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:39 PM
John Isner is right. Current ATP n°800 is French and he is ranked -30 : it means between 50th and 100th French player.

And the best French french female players (Marion Bartoli and Amélie Mauresmo) have regularly played ties during training vs such players ranked - 30 or -15 in France or in Switzerland. Marion and Amélie have said that they can win matches if the player doesn't have a huge 1st serve. If they can return the 1st serve, it's possible.

I think it's more movement than serve. Serena has a better serve than a lot of the men on the ATP.

Sam L
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:39 PM
MTF is a joke. Seriously.

Lunaris
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:40 PM
Well, he just answered a question. You can see he didn't want to get there.

zxcVbnm88
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:43 PM
he was answering a question and he was being honest with himself

tenn_ace
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:43 PM
poor #801 - what a bashing of that player whoever he is at the moment

KClijsters
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:54 PM
That's why womans play against womans and men against men...

tennisbum79
Sep 11th, 2009, 03:16 PM
Many poster keep saying he was asked a question and answered it honestly.

Note these kind of questions never get asked to top ATP players, only to journeyman like Isner.

Even if asked, Federer or Nadal will never give the answer Isner gave.

There is a reason they are called ATP and WTA. They were never meant to be compared along those line.

That is the same in very sport. Track and field, Basketball, football(real one).

theDreamer
Sep 11th, 2009, 03:19 PM
Well, he just answered a question. You can see he didn't want to get there.

Exactly.
Gosh! You guys are being serious overly defensive.
He just answered an hypothetical question (the question was pointless, granted) with what many of you would agree is true. And if you disagree, simply state your reasons without such underlying tones of outrage or taking offense. He clearly wasn't bashing the WTA.

Some of you are so consumed with the whole equality thing, that you react at a simple statement of the fact that, "equal" though they may be, men and women are DIFFERENT!!

This shouldn't even be a thread.:shrug:

AcesHigh
Sep 11th, 2009, 03:25 PM
:spit: He was just answering a question. Wow, it's not like he said this unprovoked

Isner actually seems like a really nice guy. He was asked a question and was being honest. And he's right.. I dont see why everyone is getting so offended.

ms. double fault
Sep 11th, 2009, 03:33 PM
what's all the fuss about this??

he's right, i think we all know that :shrug:

different physique, different game, there's nobody to blame really...

youizahoe
Sep 11th, 2009, 03:51 PM
And I'd beat Federer on sand. :lol:

and on call challenges :inlove:

madmax
Sep 11th, 2009, 03:57 PM
way to state obvious really...Isner was humble enough to lower the bar to #800, when in reality any college player would easily demolish any female proffesional. Different game, different speeds and physique...

harloo
Sep 11th, 2009, 03:59 PM
Before he answered the question he stated, "I don't want to get backlash". So apparently Isner was well aware of the criticism his remark would receive. If Isner was smart he would have told the interviewer, " Let's not go there".

From watching Isner in action on court with all his theatrics I get the impression he's the typical all American jock. Usually the prototype has a huge ego accompanied with machismo and a sense of self-importance. In reality, he's just another big server with nothing else to back it up which is why he loses to everyone under the sun. I remember the commentators hyping his game up at the US Open a few years ago. He was supposed to threaten Federer with his game. It was so funny how Federer blocked his serve and neutralized the point to defeat him in three easy sets. If Isner would focus on adding variety to his game maybe his results would improve. sigh.

Any logical person will acknowledge that men are physically stronger than women. So of course their are lower ranked men who can outhit and overpower women. I just think it's gay when a man wants to play a woman. If I told my boys, "I lost to you guys but I played against a Regina and crushed her" they would call me soft and laugh at me for at least a year. Real men don't have any desire to challenge a women in sport, they don't even feel women are on their level when it comes to competition. I don't understand why some of these men want to play women? What will it prove? :lol:

Dementieva_Dude
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:01 PM
Of course most men would beat the top women...he didn't really state anything new or exciting. At least we know this is from a reliable source though...during the clay season Isner plays like he's ranked #800 ;)

Oh, and the #800 man might beat the #1 woman, but trust me, at the end of the day he would kill to have the career she does.

DutchieGirl
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:03 PM
exactly...women's track and field sucks because they can't run as fast as the men, jump as far, or jump as high, throw as far etc...so they shouldn't share in the golden league prize money...

women gymnasts can't tumble like the men on the floor exercise, they can't do still rings or high bar the same....

women swimmers don't swim as fast as the men

women figure skaters can't do the quadruple jumps, only the tripe jumps
:lol: Womens sports just suck.....but at least people have something to perve at. :angel:











Yes - that WAS sarcasm. ;)

chuvack
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:04 PM
way to state obvious really...Isner was humble enough to lower the bar to #800, when in reality any college player would easily demolish any female proffesional. Different game, different speeds and physique...


This statement is total bullshit. The average male college player would certainly struggle to beat the best WTA players. And I am tired of every retard on the block bringing up the Carsten Braasch vs the Williams sisters practice sets in 1999. Has no meaning to the current debate.

I have never heard people talk so much shit as when these men vs women threads start. Put your money where your mouth is, or shut the fuck up.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:05 PM
exactly...women's track and field sucks because they can't run as fast as the men, jump as far, or jump as high, throw as far etc...so they shouldn't share in the golden league prize money...

women gymnasts can't tumble like the men on the floor exercise, they can't do still rings or high bar the same....

women swimmers don't swim as fast as the men

women figure skaters can't do the quadruple jumps, only the tripe jumps


but i'd luv to see the men do the beam NOT :tape: OUCH :help:

Rayyan
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Let see f he can beat wta top grunter/shrieker...Ahahahaha

DutchieGirl
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Of course most men would beat the top women...he didn't really state anything new or exciting. At least we know this is from a reliable source though...during the clay season Isner plays like he's ranked #800 ;)

Oh, and the #800 man might beat the #1 woman, but trust me, at the end of the day he would kill to have the career she does.
:lol: :yeah:

DutchieGirl
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:09 PM
but i'd luv to see the men do the beam NOT :tape: OUCH :help:
Or the uneven bars perhaps? :p

Sam L
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:10 PM
women figure skaters can't do the quadruple jumps, only the tripe jumps


Umm... yes the can. Ever heard of Miki Ando? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miki_Ando

:confused:

Dominic
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:10 PM
WTA world No.1 is Safina. Any college-level player would kill her.

Lol I actually agree but I think the rest of the top ten would beat players up to about 400-500.

Human Nature
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Who cares what Isner thinks? He's had a few decent results in the past few months so now he feels he's justified to make comments like this?

I'm sure Serena and Venus could beat some fairly high ranked clay-court numpties on grass.


I know this comment was not basicaly negative , but please people the Williams sisters are geneticaly women , les testosterone = less strenghs .

Stop this "subconsciuous" comparison with the WS when it goes to the ATP , they would have lost badly against a junior like any other woman on the tour..

Polikarpov
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:18 PM
I would actually go even lower than that. Did anyone see Federer's first round match against Devin Britton? Devin is ranked 1370 in the world and I see him beating anyone in the WTA comfortably.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:22 PM
most if not all U18 (some u16's) juniors would beat the top women pretty easily.

Dominic
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:23 PM
way to state obvious really...Isner was humble enough to lower the bar to #800, when in reality any college player would easily demolish any female proffesional. Different game, different speeds and physique...

That is BS though. Don't push it. It also has been proven wrong a few times before.

madmax
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:25 PM
This statement is total bullshit. The average male college player would certainly struggle to beat the best WTA players. And I am tired of every retard on the block bringing up the Carsten Braasch vs the Williams sisters practice sets in 1999. Has no meaning to the current debate.

I have never heard people talk so much shit as when these men vs women threads start. Put your money where your mouth is, or shut the fuck up.

oh please, loosen up a bit...no need to get ultradefensive when facts are provided for you on plate. How would any woman could win a match against a man, who at least trains everyday or so and is reasonably fit? They can't match male strenght, speed and intensity of play, no need to rebel against mother nature here, please...

Joe.
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:26 PM
From watching Isner in action on court with all his theatrics I get the impression he's the typical all American jock. Usually the prototype has a huge ego accompanied with machismo and a sense of self-importance. In reality, he's just another big server with nothing else to back it up which is why he loses to everyone under the sun. I remember the commentators hyping his game up at the US Open a few years ago. He was supposed to threaten Federer with his game. It was so funny how Federer blocked his serve and neutralized the point to defeat him in three easy sets. If Isner would focus on adding variety to his game maybe his results would improve. sigh.



actually, roger won in 4 very close sets :tape: ;)

but i dont like him critisizing the wta. just because he beat roddick doesnt mean he has the right to feel like hes one of the top players. the reality is, he mostly loses 1st round at every tournament other then US events :)

CrossCourt~Rally
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:27 PM
But how about WTA #2 ;):p

sammy01
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:27 PM
wow people are so defensive. he was asked a question, answered honestly, just because you don't like the honest answer doesn't make isner bad for saying it.

Dominic
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:30 PM
No.

Hem are you blind!? Muscle is muscle, Serena, and a few other women are definately phisically stronger than many ATP players.

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:30 PM
wow people are so defensive. he was asked a question, answered honestly, just because you don't like the honest answer doesn't make isner bad for saying it.

Just like when interviewers asked Serena about the number one ranking, right?

sammy01
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:30 PM
btw hes not 'critisizing' the wta hes just being honest. we all know the reasons behind his answer (more power, muscle and speed for the men ect). he didn't turn around and say women are shit, he just said what we all know and know the reasons why.

wayitis
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:30 PM
I don't understand why some of these men want to play women? What will it prove? :lol:

They don't... if you think about it, what would be in it for them? If they win by a large margin, they will be called sexist pigs and be told they haven't done anything but the expected, and if they struggle to win, they are talentless little wimps and God forbids if they ever lose... in most people eyes they will be losers anyway, this "battle of the sexes" is just a media dream or scam for when things are slow...

Human Nature
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:32 PM
In any sport any man would have beat a woman of his sport , the problem is not about technic but genetic thats all ..Isner has been stupid to answer this question from a stupid journalist ...

sammy01
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:34 PM
Just like when interviewers asked Serena about the number one ranking, right?

erm do you need me to link you to the WTA ranking page, safina is #1 whether serena likes it or not.

saying im the real #1 is not stating facts, as i have the wta rankings to go on, which are fact.

if serena had said when im playing well i feel im the best player despite the rankings, well fair enough, but she claimed herself the real #1 when that involves earning the most points in a 52 week period and she clearly wasn't.

Human Nature
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Hem are you blind!? Muscle is muscle, Serena, and a few other women are definately phisically stronger than many ATP players.


Then to you a woman boxer can beat a man boxer because she has also muscles ..?

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:38 PM
erm do you need me to link you to the WTA ranking page, safina is #1 whether serena likes it or not.

saying im the real #1 is not stating facts, as i have the wta rankings to go on, which are fact.

if serena had said when im playing well i feel im the best player despite the rankings, well fair enough, but she claimed herself the real #1 when that involves earning the most points in a 52 week period and she clearly wasn't.

What Isner said was not a fact either, as it has not been proven, and more importantly, CAN'T be proven. It's an opinion, nothing more.

And when Serena said "real number one," she was obviously saying it in a metaphorical sense. Unless you think she meant that the WTA was lying about her computer ranking.

kris719
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:41 PM
He is probably right.

And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't watch the WTA because the level of tennis is the best in the world, it isn't. I watch because I prefer the competition and the players. The ATP plays at a much higher level and there's nothing wrong with saying so :shrug:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:43 PM
Take away his serve and he would be beaten by the world #800 too :tape:

chuvack
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:46 PM
oh please, loosen up a bit...no need to get ultradefensive when facts are provided for you on plate. How would any woman could win a match against a man, who at least trains everyday or so and is reasonably fit? They can't match male strenght, speed and intensity of play, no need to rebel against mother nature here, please...


I'm not going to get into a debate with you, but let's say that you simply don't have any idea what you are talking about. By your logic, recreational male players would also be able to defeat the WTA #1.

sammy01
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:46 PM
What Isner said was not a fact either, as it has not been proven, and more importantly, CAN'T be proven. It's an opinion, nothing more.

And when Serena said "real number one," she was obviously saying it in a metaphorical sense. Unless you think she meant that the WTA was lying about her computer ranking.

no she just sees winning slams/playing the best tennis as being number 1, when being number 1 is earning more points than anyone else in the last 52 weeks no matter how you do it.

im pretty sure no woman ranked in the top 5 would dare take on any of the men ranked 800, so not it wont be proved. we do have serena and venus getting thumped by some mens nobody way back when, so i think we can come to a safe conclusion about the outcome.

Dominic
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:47 PM
Then to you a woman boxer can beat a man boxer because she has also muscles ..?

I didnt say that, I'm saying a female who has more muscle than a man is obviously physically stronger than him. and it is the case of some wta players.

chuvack
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:49 PM
im pretty sure no woman ranked in the top 5 would dare take on any of the men ranked 800, so not it wont be proved. we do have serena and venus getting thumped by some mens nobody way back when, so i think we can come to a safe conclusion about the outcome.


Braasch was far from a nobody, he was an ATP Top 100 player.

tae04
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:51 PM
Without his serve Im sure plenty of women would kill him on groundstrokes.

Donny
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:02 PM
no she just sees winning slams/playing the best tennis as being number 1, when being number 1 is earning more points than anyone else in the last 52 weeks no matter how you do it.

Do you understand what metaphor is?

I'm just asking, because what you seem to be doing is arguing that metaphor is not a valid form of speech.

The *literal* number one is the player who has more ranking point than everyone else. The *metaphorical* number one can be whoever the speaker wishes it to be.

It's like when people say 'the Kim Serena semi will be the real final.' Obviously they don't think whoever wins that match automatically gets the title. It's a metaphor.

im pretty sure no woman ranked in the top 5 would dare take on any of the men ranked 800, so not it wont be proved. we do have serena and venus getting thumped by some mens nobody way back when, so i think we can come to a safe conclusion about the outcome.

Again, opinion.

wayitis
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:02 PM
Braasch was far from a nobody, he was an ATP Top 100 player.

not when he played the Williams... he was ranked below 200 and the following week would be below 300

Noctis
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:05 PM
Cut his Balony off than well see.

madmax
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:05 PM
not when he played the Williams... he was ranked below 200 and the following week would be below 300

not to mention I heard him taking a nice smoke in between breaks...

Volcana
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:09 PM
Beaing in mind that the WTA #1 is Safina .....

RND
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:14 PM
To look at this comment alone I do personally agree. I think you can so see that in mixed. I dare say some 1000s ATP men would beat the elite WTA girls.

Thanx4nothin
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:22 PM
btw hes not 'critisizing' the wta hes just being honest. we all know the reasons behind his answer (more power, muscle and speed for the men ect). he didn't turn around and say women are shit, he just said what we all know and know the reasons why.

Precisely, I mean, mototrbikes are always gonna be faster than bicycles, but lets not abandon the tour de france just yet...

Dodoboy.
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:18 PM
Some people seem to get a 'kick' out of PAINFULLY OBVIOUS but WHOLLY UNNECESSARY comments like this!

Men are stronger than women, it's just the way it is! What other sport would women even be spoken about in the same breath as their male counterparts. This was a dumb question and a dumber answer!

The WTA #800 has the potential to make more money than the ATP #800 :wavey:

Mynarco
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:24 PM
Well, comparing mens tennis and womens tennis is stupid. they are like apple and orange. Dumb Question, Dumb Answer.

Amalgamate
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:25 PM
:spit: At the women's tennis fans that believe this statement is inaccurate...

LCS
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:29 PM
:tape:

Julian.
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:30 PM
Women can definitely beat men in Chess :shrug:

madmax
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:30 PM
Some people seem to get a 'kick' out of PAINFULLY OBVIOUS but WHOLLY UNNECESSARY comments like this!

Men are stronger than women, it's just the way it is! What other sport would women even be spoken about in the same breath as their male counterparts. This was a dumb question and a dumber answer!

The WTA #800 has the potential to make more money than the ATP #800 :wavey:

just a mere thought of women being able to compete with men makes knowledgeable people cringe:lol: Anyone saying Serena or any girl for that matter stands a chance against any ATP professional is either deluded or simply trolling...just to put things into perspective there are MUCH more men playing tennis than there are women, so it's MUCH more difficult even to make those ATP TOP 1000 or 2000 than it is for any woman...this topic is simply not worth discussing, coz it's pointless and becomes trolls war after some time

OohZuzana
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:45 PM
Women can definitely beat men in Chess :shrug:

:worship:

Not to mention blackjack.

Julian.
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:50 PM
The top ten chess players on earth are all men.

Yeah, but I think that's one of the sports that women has the biggest chance to beat men. :shrug:

canoe.
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:52 PM
And you know what John? No one cares.

Mynarco
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:53 PM
to those people who think this statement is untrue, think why there are mens tennis and womens tennis separately.

Julian.
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:54 PM
And you know what John? No one cares.

He didn't say anything. He was just answering the question :shrug:

Julian.
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:55 PM
to those people who think this statement is untrue, think why there are mens tennis and womens tennis separately.

Because men is too arrogant to play women :spit:

canoe.
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:56 PM
He didn't say anything. He was just answering the question :shrug:

Than he should have said: No comment or that's a dumb question, or just stared.

Julian.
Sep 11th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Than he should have said: No comment or that's a dumb question, or just stared.

I gotta agree with this.;)

dav abu
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:12 PM
I might as well add my two cents.... the way John Isner worded it is unnecessary. Also you can't compare women and men directly in sport because men are stronger BUT I have to say I do feel that the gap between mens and womens tennis has never been bigger. I very rarely take a look at women's tennis anymore and I was genuinely a huge fan. Kim and Oudin have injected life into this tournament and for the first in longer than I can remember I will be specially watching a womans match when her semi V Serena kicks off, hope it will be a cracker. This is the women's tennis fan site so it goes without saying that people will defend the WTA etc and I'm not trying to stir but I'm not the only one that thinks its in the doldrums. Hopefully things will pick up..

TheAllan
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:24 PM
It varies a little, but as a rule of thumb the best boys aged 15 (or 14-16) will very often match the best women in any physical sport. Therefore it goes without saying that the ATP #800 should have no problem with WTA top 10 players. We can even go far lower than that. It's not just about muscles. It also comes down to bone structure. Men have stronger knee joints and wrists which alone give them a significant advantage. For a man to brag or gloat about sporting superiority is embarrassing. But I don't think Isner was trying to do that. He was just asked a question and answered it frankly.

Cp6uja
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Only from one little country (Belgium) I know at least two UNRANKED WTA players able to (try to) beat ATP#800 :drool:

BTW in EXO match between ATP next week TOP40 John Isner and "combined team" Williams Sisters (Serena playing every odd game, Venus every even game) where sisters always serving - I'm not sure that even this ATP TOP40 player will survive!

Isner, please :ignore:

Amanda
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:32 PM
I'd feel pretty cheap if I was ranked 805 and I heard him say that. Hmph.
:lol:

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Who gives a shit whether they could or not.

What does that say about the attitude toward male tennis players even having to address the question? :lol:

You sure don't here that about Basketball or Soccer.

Stamp Paid
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Safina is number one.







:lol::lol::lol:

tennnisfannn
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:54 PM
Possibly a rabbit outruns Asana Powell as well.
A cheetah in Ohio just out ran Bolt!

Ferg
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Idiot.

justine schnyder
Sep 11th, 2009, 08:01 PM
what's all thr fuss about?..
It's true, and it doesn't mean anything bad, just the men play different game, they have stronger shots, heavier balls with more topspin on them, not to mention the serves..

Dunlop1
Sep 11th, 2009, 08:04 PM
He is right.
But just because it is true doesn't mean it needs to be said.
I wonder what the context was for his comments.

Bijoux0021
Sep 11th, 2009, 08:05 PM
Who gives a shit whether they could or not.

What does that say about the attitude toward male tennis players even having to address the question? :lol:

You sure don't here that about Basketball or Soccer.
So true. We don't hear this kind of nonsense in other sports, at least not as much as we do in tennis. Is this because male tennis players don't feel man enough, so they have to belittle the women to feel manly?:confused: Talk about being insecure! :o

sammy01
Sep 11th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Some people seem to get a 'kick' out of PAINFULLY OBVIOUS but WHOLLY UNNECESSARY comments like this!

Men are stronger than women, it's just the way it is! What other sport would women even be spoken about in the same breath as their male counterparts. This was a dumb question and a dumber answer!

The WTA #800 has the potential to make more money than the ATP #800 :wavey:

can you explain this? :confused:

SharapovaFTW
Sep 11th, 2009, 08:17 PM
So true. We don't hear this kind of nonsense in other sports, at least not as much as we do in tennis. Is this because male tennis players don't feel man enough, so they have to belittle the women to feel manly?:confused: Talk about being insecure! :o

Women's basketball doesn't demand equal salaries to the likes of men. Remember women want equal pay in tennis, no?

Bijoux0021
Sep 11th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Women's basketball doesn't demand equal salaries to the likes of men. Remember women want equal pay in tennis, no?
They were belittling women's tennis even before equal pay. In the last few years, it has gotten even worse mainly because of equal pay.

amnorge
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:28 PM
No way a college player could beat serena williams. i've played college players and seen serena williams play, and he'd have no chance.

TheFifthAvocado
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:45 PM
I dunno, if Serena is serving the way she was at Wimbledon, I think it would be a close match :p

Serenita
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:47 PM
He's just jealous that Ouding got all the attention this week.
But he's not the only to say shit like that i remember a wimby winner who said " that wta players are fat pigs"

In The Zone
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:49 PM
I don't get the big uproar. Men and women are not equal, physically, and they're not the same tours or even the same type of tennis. Who cares if the ATP #800 can beat the WTA #1? :shrug:

Rolling-Thunder
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:49 PM
Who cares what this guy says. Why is it necessary for him to say that after a good summer run on his part? Accentuate your own positive and forget the false comparisons? Why shouldn't he focus on his success? Yet I have to say I saw his match in person in the Armstrong stadium against Verdasco and I was not impressed. He won the first set and that was it. He won it b/c Verdasco was making too many error.

His serve is/was not that great. And he is only a serve. His forehand is very weak. He has virtually no power in it. His backhand is even weaker. And yes his movement is poor.

If he is the future of American tennis on the men's side then the future is not that bright. Actually I believe he could be beaten by a woman. He is no Ivo.

Amalgamate
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:05 PM
He is right.
But just because it is true doesn't mean it needs to be said.
I wonder what the context was for his comments.

Try reading the thread :wavey:

And I can't believe people are so upset about this. He was asked, and he answered (fairly generously at that). There is no comparison between the ATP and WTA. Most junior male players (and they don't even have to be that highly ranked) can hit just as hard as Serena. The top 25 ranked D1 college players would beat Serena. I have a friend who was ranked in the 40s last year (NCAA men's rankings) and he beat Jankovic 3&2...

FORZA SARITA
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:07 PM
i heard that the week before portorose a sloveian male player ranked around 800 won a set 6-0 against dinara:p

markdelaney
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Of course they would. Like the best 800 male sprinters in the world would beat the top female sprinter in the world.

Martina Navratilova couldn't even bear her (then) coach Mike Estep when they played a match in practice.

markdelaney
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:11 PM
Of course they would. Like the best 800 male sprinters in the world would beat the top female sprinter in the world.

Martina Navratilova couldn't even BEAT her (then) coach Mike Estep when they played a match in practice.

I seem to have lost the edit button

Beat not Bear

RFSTB
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:17 PM
Is he talking about Safina or Serena being the WTA #1? If Safina, hmm...no comment. If Serena, I'd like to see a battle of the sexes, Serena vs. ATP #799.

Dodoboy.
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:21 PM
can you explain this? :confused:

PLayboy, GQ :rolls:

canoe.
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:25 PM
I have a friend who was ranked in the 40s last year (NCAA men's rankings) and he beat Jankovic 3&2...
Um, why would JJ be playing some NCAA dude? :silly:

sammy01
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:26 PM
PLayboy, GQ :rolls:

what if she looks like razzano, with a body like petrova's? :tape:

Dominic
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:28 PM
It varies a little, but as a rule of thumb the best boys aged 15 (or 14-16) will very often match the best women in any physical sport. Therefore it goes without saying that the ATP #800 should have no problem with WTA top 10 players. We can even go far lower than that. It's not just about muscles. It also comes down to bone structure. Men have stronger knee joints and wrists which alone give them a significant advantage. For a man to brag or gloat about sporting superiority is embarrassing. But I don't think Isner was trying to do that. He was just asked a question and answered it frankly.

Lol that is total crap, Patty Schnyder beat an ATP player ranked about 900 in 2003 or 2004 in two sets (7-5 7-6) and she was ranked about 20 and getting killed by the top players in wta.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:30 PM
Women's basketball doesn't demand equal salaries to the likes of men. Remember women want equal pay in tennis, no?

The equal pay issue is based on work put in (ie, Women put in less. Men put in more) and revenue generated (I don't know those figures, but I would think-of late-the men generate more).


The equal pay issue is NOT about "ability." This thread however is.

That the men constantly feel the need to compare their abilities to the Women's, frankly, makes them look like insecure punks.

Dodoboy.
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:38 PM
what if she looks like razzano, with a body like petrova's? :tape:

Key word - Potential ;)

But yeah, fair point.

barboza
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:14 PM
He has a fb account. Everyone should send a message to him

OohZuzana
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:16 PM
i heard that the week before portorose a sloveian male player ranked around 800 won a set 6-0 against dinara:p

Hardly shocking. I think a lot of the girls would lose to their male hitting partners.

davidmario
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:19 PM
Umm I beat Petkovic in practice and I'm like 700 in germany:lol:

Black Dog
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:29 PM
Lol that is total crap, Patty Schnyder beat an ATP player ranked about 900 in 2003 or 2004 in two sets (7-5 7-6) and she was ranked about 20 and getting killed by the top players in wta.


I checked her WTA profile and, at that time, her WTA ranking was 15 and the guy's ATP ranking was 1162. By the way, the guy's name was Patrick Mayr, he was Austrian, and after that loss he decided to make a slight change to his first name and physical appearance and started to compete in the WTA tour. Now he is currently ranked at no. 82 (or then I might be just speculating). :tape::angel:

Now seriously, I really don't think that Isner's remarks should lead people to jump to conclusions. Although it's reasonable to assume that some people might find (somehow) his statements to be indelicate, he didn't intend to criticize women's tennis at all. In fact, as most of you already said, I find the question way more "questionable" than the answer itself.

He didn't stated that the WTA was weaker, less enjoying or less competitive than the ATP. He just suggested a number, that's all... In the end, the only evident deduction that we can make is that John Isner believes a man ranked 800 in the world can beat a woman ranked number one, which is hardly unreasonable. I think this is far from being an "offense" to women's tennis at all; in fact, I don't really see anything offensive in it...

trufanjay
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Thats just something that goes without saying.......why even make the comment? Men are physically stronger and more athletic than women so whats the point of bringing it up??? It's not funny and it makes no sense!

KournikovaFan91
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:33 PM
SO WHAT IF THEY WOULD? :shrug:

What is his point???? Women compete against women and men against men, apart from equestrianism all other sports have to be split by sex, its just nature and biological differences which make men stronger.

I hate when ATP players make stupid comments like this. :rolleyes:

bobcat
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:40 PM
Physically, no question. Mentally? I dunno. I think it's possible that you could put some guy ranked around #800 on center court at Wimbledon against Serena and he'd be so nervous he couldn't keep the ball in the court.

Dominic
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:44 PM
Thats just something that goes without saying.......why even make the comment? Men are physically stronger and more athletic than women so whats the point of bringing it up??? It's not funny and it makes no sense!

Did u read about the Patty Schnyder match, She also played against someone ranked much higher a few years later he was like 300-400 or something and he beat her something like 6-4 6-2. While The Serena's of this world killed her 6-1 6-2.

trufanjay
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:49 PM
Did u read about the Patty Schnyder match, She also played against someone ranked much higher a few years later he was like 300-400 or something and he beat her something like 6-4 6-2. While The Serena's of this world killed her 6-1 6-2.
That is very interesting, I never heard of that

pav
Sep 12th, 2009, 12:36 AM
The prick must be having erection problems or something

kris719
Sep 12th, 2009, 12:41 AM
SO WHAT IF THEY WOULD? :shrug:

What is his point???? Women compete against women and men against men, apart from equestrianism all other sports have to be split by sex, its just nature and biological differences which make men stronger.

I hate when ATP players make stupid comments like this. :rolleyes:

lol he was answering a question. not like he brought it up on his own.,.. "oh and btw, #800 guy could beat #1 girl- just sayin'" lol no.

Sharapower
Sep 12th, 2009, 02:15 AM
genetically, men are physically stronger than women...get the hell over it people!
Awww! Only physically?
:sad:

rjd1111
Sep 12th, 2009, 02:44 AM
Full of confidence after beating Andy Roddick, John Isner says any player inside the top 800 in the ATP could beat the WTA #1

http://www.thedailyforehand.com/2009/9/11/1025561/host-how-far-down-the-mens-list

I don't necessarily disagree, I just don't know why he was dumb enough to make these comments to the press :rolleyes:

I don't know about No 800. Safina might win some games.

Tennisstar86
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:01 AM
If "Chester" Isner is the best of the bunch coming through ...

American tennis is officially in recession.

hes not all he is is a serve... if he werent American and didnt get wildcards....you'd never hear from him......Querry is MUCH better than Isner.... If roddick could even pretend to know how to Rally Isner wouldnt have been in the conversation...

rjd1111
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:07 AM
WS tried to play a certain Karsten Braasch. We know what happened to them.

1. They won games from Karsten

2. They were 16 and 17 yrs old and not matured as players.

3. Kasten was ranked around 200. 800 is a much worse player.

4. If they can win 3 games against No 200 back then somewhere
down the line there is a player they could compete against now.

5. You can't make comparisons with the men you see on TV. No 800
doesn't get to play on TV. They probably don't have a huge
serve or those devastating ground strokes you see on TV
or they wouldn't be ranked 800.

mariahdg
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:14 AM
Yeah, but I think that's one of the sports that women has the biggest chance to beat men. :shrug:

here you go,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan
http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2008-03/18/xin_07203051814140782078876.jpg

KournikovaFan91
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:15 AM
Why is shooting not mixed????? I suppose there ie enough women to justify a seperate competition.

Like equestrianism is and women regularly beat men.

bobcat
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:19 AM
If you consider bowling a sport, when the women's professional bowling league folded some of the women joined the men's tour and were competitive.

matty
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:20 AM
Full of confidence after beating Andy Roddick, John Isner says any player inside the top 800 in the ATP could beat the WTA #1

http://www.thedailyforehand.com/2009/9/11/1025561/host-how-far-down-the-mens-list

I don't necessarily disagree, I just don't know why he was dumb enough to make these comments to the press :rolleyes:

Not really a cool thing to say--let's not get to cocky, Mr. Isner.

Mynarco
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:58 AM
maybe is it inexperience? a more experienced player would think twice before answering such a tricky question.

faboozadoo15
Sep 12th, 2009, 06:18 AM
So true. We don't hear this kind of nonsense in other sports, at least not as much as we do in tennis. Is this because male tennis players don't feel man enough, so they have to belittle the women to feel manly?:confused: Talk about being insecure! :o

I think the REAL question is why people think women's tennis players are better able to compete with male tennis players than soccer players, basketball players, golfers, etc.

Again, Isner was ASKED about this.

I think it comes from having a refined country club sport long dominated by agile, hardly domineering men, while at the same time, many hyper-masculine women have been at the top.

skanky~skanketta
Sep 12th, 2009, 06:47 AM
I don't get why they want to match up men against women in a PHYSICAL sport. It's ridiculous. Women are never going to be as strong as men physically because well, we were made that way. For someone like Isner to actually dignify that question by answering makes him a total idiot.

SOA_MC
Sep 12th, 2009, 07:09 AM
Lol yeah John we're the only ones who are allowed talk shit about our #1 not you

Julian.
Sep 12th, 2009, 08:11 AM
here you go,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan
http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2008-03/18/xin_07203051814140782078876.jpg

:worship:

AnomyBC
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:00 AM
This probably isn't literally true. My guess is that if Safina played each of the Top 800 men she'd probably beat at least one of them. Serena, I think, would probably beat at least 10 of them and possibly significantly more than that. At her peak in 2002 she could have probably beaten 100 of them.

And of course it should be mentioned that women have been successful in Battle of Sexes matches before. Billie Jean King and Helen Wills Moody were both able to win matches against notable male opponents, so it's not that far fetched to imagine that someone today could pull that off as well.

Patrick345
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:23 AM
This probably isn't literally true. My guess is that if Safina played each of the Top 800 men she'd probably beat at least one of them. Serena, I think, would probably beat at least 10 of them and possibly significantly more than that. At her peak in 2002 she could have probably beaten 100 of them.

And of course it should be mentioned that women have been successful in Battle of Sexes matches before. Billie Jean King and Helen Wills Moody were both able to win matches against notable male opponents, so it's not that far fetched to imagine that someone today could pull that off as well.

No they couldnīt. Not in a real match. And I donīt know what the big deal is. There are more than 800 men on the planet that can run 100 metres faster than Shelley Fraser, the female olympic gold medalist. So what? I donīt know whatīs more immature, that men feel the necessity to remind women about their physical superiority or that women feel the need to claim itīs not true. If you donīt like a sport, played by males of females, just donīt watch it. There is nothing worse than constantly complaining about the level of play of women, unless you are pissed you just lost a bet, when you can simply watch men or not at all.

Wojtek
Sep 12th, 2009, 02:08 PM
Serena will beat Isner on clay.

Seriously, another man with a need to compensate for what they lack. What is wrong with some of these men? :confused:
Buhhaahahahahah

Ziggy Starduck
Sep 12th, 2009, 02:26 PM
What a tool!

Xian
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:35 PM
we will see soon, as Bammer plays former nr. 1 Thomas Muster next week in an exhibition. Itīs not meant to be a joke, as the winner gets 100.000$

Geertvg
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:38 PM
Well it is true, but who cares. The women's tour to me is way mor eexciting these days, it has more depth and the men's game has become to predictable, where are the real upsets there. The top players don't lose to just anyone, the men's game doesn't have that kind of depth any longer :p

Serendy Willick
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:40 PM
John Isner needs to worry about getting some variety to his game and showing up the rest of the ten months on the mens tour.

wateva
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:42 PM
given safina's form right now, it'll probably be true... :tape:

Amalgamate
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:52 PM
Um, why would JJ be playing some NCAA dude? :silly:

Um, maybe because it's excellent practice while she is in the States. (She doesn't travel with a full time hitting partner). :rolleyes:

bjurra
Sep 12th, 2009, 04:20 PM
we will see soon, as Bammer plays former nr. 1 Thomas Muster next week in an exhibition. Itīs not meant to be a joke, as the winner gets 100.000$

They are playing end of November, not next week. Muster doesnt have a rocket serve so Bammer might have a good chance. I think Bammer would struggle more if she played Stich or Forget.

bjurra
Sep 12th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Not really a cool thing to say--let's not get to cocky, Mr. Isner.

I feel sorry for Isner. He did not bring up the subject, he was pressured into answering an open question, "How far down the rankings would you have to go?" and he guessed 700-800. I dont see how that makes him cocky or arrogant.

The way Safina plays at the moment, I am pretty sure you would have to go even further down the rankings. At least if the player in question is fit and reasonably well prepared.

chuvack
Sep 12th, 2009, 04:51 PM
They are playing end of November, not next week. Muster doesnt have a rocket serve so Bammer might have a good chance. I think Bammer would struggle more if she played Stich or Forget.


You are crazy. The main thing is not the serve. Muster is only 41, and unless he is turned into a big fat slob, he is certainly playing well enough to beat any woman.

Any of those players, Stich, Forget, wouldn't lose to a woman at this time. There is a huge difference between 41 and 51 (McEnroe's age).

chuvack
Sep 12th, 2009, 04:52 PM
we will see soon, as Bammer plays former nr. 1 Thomas Muster next week in an exhibition. Itīs not meant to be a joke, as the winner gets 100.000$


We won't see anything much, because the level of the man pro must be a bit lower than Muster to make a good match. What was the name of that Austrian player who lost to Patty Schnyder? He was ranking around #800 I believe?

Bartoli's Boy
Sep 12th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Patrick Mayr. It's been mentioned by someone earlier in the thread, but the thread is so huge already.

frenchie
Sep 12th, 2009, 05:21 PM
he's right

but frenchie says ATP #800 could beat ATP #55 John Isner and his even more limited game than Karlovic

Black Dog
Sep 12th, 2009, 05:29 PM
You are crazy. The main thing is not the serve. Muster is only 41, and unless he is turned into a big fat slob, he is certainly playing well enough to beat any woman.

Any of those players, Stich, Forget, wouldn't lose to a woman at this time. There is a huge difference between 41 and 51 (McEnroe's age).

Well, a month ago Muster played against Edberg (who's 45 years old) at Vale do Lobo Grand Champions and lost 6-3 and 6-2, I think. I must say that Edberg looked extremely fit for someone aged 45, but Muster's movement was really poor... But hey, at least he doesn't drink in front of the cameras! Can't say the same about Henri Leconte, though...:help:

http://www.premier-sports.org/downloads/grandchamp/galeria/32/fd0f532.jpg

donniedarkofan
Sep 12th, 2009, 05:32 PM
Serena will beat Isner on clay.



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I actually CAN'T believe some of you really think that Serena or any other top WTA player would beat a top 800 ATP player. Men are far faster and stronger. Believe me, even juniors at age 17 and 18 are better than Wta's top 20.

I just played few days ago Polish player Jakub Piter(brother of Kasia Piter). He's nr 10 in seniors in Poland, he's an average playing guy.However i'm more than sure that there is no woman in WTA top 10 that would beat him. It's just impossible. I've seen many female players, i've trained with them alot, i've seen WTA's biggest stars playing in their junior days and i 've seen them on various tournaments. There is no way that any ATP top 800 player would lose against ANY(even Serena haha)WTA top 5 player.

donniedarkofan
Sep 12th, 2009, 06:01 PM
Lol I actually agree but I think the rest of the top ten would beat players up to about 400-500.

:lol::lol::lol: i'm having such a good time! Get over it, there is no way. Any average college guy can beat top 10 in Wta.

bjurra
Sep 12th, 2009, 06:30 PM
You are crazy. The main thing is not the serve. Muster is only 41, and unless he is turned into a big fat slob, he is certainly playing well enough to beat any woman.

I am not crazy, I watched Muster play in Royal Albert Hall a year ago (or maybe 2 years ago) and it wasnt pretty. But it is all about preparation.

laurie
Sep 12th, 2009, 07:29 PM
John Isner is stupid to answer that question.

We have the quote that he answered the question - but we have no idea who asked the question so we can't have a go at the questioner - he gets away with it, classic gutter journalism.

Sund7101
Sep 12th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Any decent D-I collegiate male player would beat Safina the current #1, so his statement is true.

donniedarkofan
Sep 12th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Any decent D-I collegiate male player would beat Safina the current #1, so his statement is true.

and any other Wta top 10 player

Slammer7
Sep 12th, 2009, 08:55 PM
John Isner is stupid to answer that question.

We have the quote that he answered the question - but we have no idea who asked the question so we can't have a go at the questioner - he gets away with it, classic gutter journalism.


http://www.thedailyforehand.com/2009/9/11/1025561/host-how-far-down-the-mens-list

Host: "How far down the men’s list would beat the number one woman in the world. How far down do you believe the number goes?

John Isner: "Oh gosh, I don’t want get the backlash from this comment. It would go down pretty far."

Host: "You know the truth. Just say the truth, you know it, you’re there."

John Isner: "I think 700 or 800 in the world."

--John Isner, in an interview with 790 The Zone Radio in Atlanta.

The show is called `Mayhem in the AM'. The 3 host are Steak Shapiro, Nick Cellini, and Chris Dimino, and here is the actual audio, http://www.790thezone.com/Recaps/Channels/Story.aspx?ID=1137918 just click on "John Isner" :wavey:

bjurra
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:02 PM
"You know the truth. Just say the truth."

Isner should have replied "the truth is you are an idiot."

Dominic
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:13 PM
:lol::lol::lol: i'm having such a good time! Get over it, there is no way. Any average college guy can beat top 10 in Wta.

Youre babbling anything you wanna believe while I put up some evidence about what I said, and Patty Schnyder hardly ever was a top player.

Cookie Power
Sep 12th, 2009, 09:56 PM
He looks like he has a mild form of downs syndrome.

AnomyBC
Sep 12th, 2009, 10:58 PM
No they couldnīt. Not in a real match. And I donīt know what the big deal is. There are more than 800 men on the planet that can run 100 metres faster than Shelley Fraser, the female olympic gold medalist. So what? I donīt know whatīs more immature, that men feel the necessity to remind women about their physical superiority or that women feel the need to claim itīs not true. If you donīt like a sport, played by males of females, just donīt watch it. There is nothing worse than constantly complaining about the level of play of women, unless you are pissed you just lost a bet, when you can simply watch men or not at all.

First of all, I'm a guy. Second, yes they could. Certainly the men play significantly better than the women, but that doesn't mean each of the Top 800 guys could beat the female #1. As I said, if Safina and Serena played all 800 of the Top 800 guys, I have no doubt that they would win at least some of those matches. Overall, women have done reasonably well in Battle of Sexes type matches, so there's no reason to believe that they wouldn't be able to beat at least some of the guys.

AnomyBC
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:06 PM
:lol::lol::lol: i'm having such a good time! Get over it, there is no way. Any average college guy can beat top 10 in Wta.

Again, although there's obviously no question that the guys play much better than the girls, there's nothing about previous Battle of the Sexes type matches that would suggest that the above statement is true. Most likely Safina or Serena would be able to beat a significant percentage of "average" male college players.

aussie_fan
Sep 12th, 2009, 11:19 PM
:lol: at anybody who thinks this is a silly comment, it's just the honest truth, don't think TF will be able to handle that

TheAllan
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:09 AM
Take a guy like Devon Britton who's ranked +1300. He just recently turned pro (great junior career and he is the reigning NCAA champ at age 18). He is obviously going to improve his ranking a lot over time. But if you look at his quite modest results so far on the Futures and Challenger circuit, he's not playing better than the #800 guy yet.

Obviously Federer didn't need to play 100 percent, but take a look at Devon's game. He broke Roger's serve twice - including a break at 3-3 in the third where he was hitting winners to get it. Check the quality of his serve (hit as many aces as Federer in this match), his court speed, his volleys, the backhand etc. He has a good chance to make top 150 at least, but right now his game is still pretty raw. However, can you see a top 10 WTA player giving him in any sort of trouble?

xON-Oew4DHc

Dominic
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:31 AM
Not impressed by Britton's second serve groundstrokes and volleys.

TheAllan
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:50 AM
Not impressed by Britton's second serve groundstrokes and volleys.
His volleys are excellent. Better than many in the ATP top 100 already (don't even want to compare with WTA as it's unfair due to things like foot speed, wingspan, arm strength) and it's going to be a big weapon for him in his pro career.

Saifi
Jun 6th, 2010, 03:39 AM
:yawn:

Peak Serena >>>>> Peak Isner :( :tears:

Serena would not touch Isner's serve if she was given 10 chances each time

But the real difference is movement. You can just tell by looking that the WTA players movement is far inferior. They would not be able to reach the men's stronger and more spin shots.

Tennisstar86
Jun 6th, 2010, 03:54 AM
Serena would not touch Isner's serve if she was given 10 chances each time

But the real difference is movement. You can just tell by looking that the WTA players movement is far inferior. They would not be able to reach the men's stronger and more spin shots.

Serena's bank account doesnt care what Isner has to say...... as Serena once said to a comment by an announcer "I think I've done a bit more in my career than he has"

And don't kid yourself on Serena not being able to get to his serve...... People who make dumb comments like that show that they have not played tennis. Girls can handle the power a lot more than you think they can. They can handle it and redirect it. They might not be able to generate as much, but power is not what wins matches...

The big difference between the mens and womens games isnt movement as much as it is endurance. Men can last a lot longer. Their rally's are longer because they dont go for as much and dont go for as many lines if you watch the matches the womens shots land a lot closer to the line they run each other left and right while the men are a lot more patient wait for the shorter ball, pushing the envelope, dont have a problem setting the point up so they can finish at the net, whereas you basically have to drag some of the women players to the net.

As the ATP player who played the WS said in 98 With the women you just have to track down all there shots side to side. Its very true. One of the reasons I dont like playing girls because I know I'm gonna be running down a lot of balls. Trying to hit a girl (a decent one that is) off the court is never the answer.

DOUBLEFIST
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:24 AM
Serena Williams - "Who is John Isner, and why does he matter?"

Gdsimmons
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:33 AM
Serena Williams - "Who is John Isner, and why does he matter?"

exactly!

Amalgamate
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:19 AM
Jizzner :hearts:

WowWow
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:45 AM
Serena Williams - "Who is John Isner, and why does he matter?"

:lol::lol:

swim4life227
Jun 6th, 2010, 05:55 AM
I think this is only because they have such bigger serves. If you take the speed away that would overwhelm most women, they could beat them on technique. I have seen a lot of women hang with the men in the mixed doubles. During Serena/Fish's match against Novak/Jelena, she was serving up ace's against him, smashing winner's directly at him at net, outhitting him from the baseline, and also retrieving some of his smashed winner's at net.

Also Carly, who won the mixed USO last year, on match point down first round she had like a 10 stroke rally with the guy opponent at the net and outdid him.

Amalgamate
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:11 AM
Yea, the mph on the serve is one thing, but there are some men on tour who don't hit their serve harder than top women. A lot of the trouble would come with the spin that the men can produce off of both their serve and ground strokes. E.g. Jankovic yells at her male hitting partners when they hit kick serves :lol: Think Stosur's kick serve and forehand on steroids.

Bronx19
Jun 6th, 2010, 06:47 AM
He is correct.

Didnt Serena get whooped by a guy ranked 100?

Women getting equal pay is a complete sham and an insult to men.

Donny
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:34 AM
If that is truly the lower limit for male players capable of beating the top female player, then that speaks well for the WTA. In most sports it'd be somewhere in the thousands.

InsideOut.
Jun 6th, 2010, 07:38 AM
Take away the serve and Caro would push him off the court :hearts::worship:

donniedarkofan
Jun 6th, 2010, 08:53 AM
Take away the serve and Caro would push him off the court :hearts::worship:

No. You would have to cut both of Isner's legs and one arm(the one he plays with) and then Wozniacki or any other WTA top player stand a chance against ATP players.

WTA top 10 stand no chance against ATP players.

goroos1994
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:30 AM
I reckon Sam would be interesting... considering she is really powerful with her forehands.

barboza
Jun 6th, 2010, 09:47 AM
He's a misogynist.. look at his profile on fb where he indicates his political views to be conservative.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=4909489&ref=ts

Juju Nostalgique
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:23 AM
Sad, but true! :awww: :crying2:

Juju Nostalgique
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Women getting equal pay is a complete sham and an insult to men.

Not related and irrelevant! :weirdo:

Bronx19
Jun 6th, 2010, 10:40 AM
Not related and irrelevant! :weirdo:

Take it or leave it.

Papillon.
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:12 PM
Not related and irrelevant! :weirdo:

And 100% correct.

Any male with a world ranking playing to the best of his ability would — not could, would — defeat any female with a world ranking playing to the best of her ability in a non-handicapped, best of 3 set match. The difference in skill, technique and power is enormous.

Doc
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:18 PM
You get a lot of this boasting from the ATP and its hangers-on, yet a lot fewer male players actually come forward to take a challenge. And generally tthe male players are more reluctant than the girls.

I remember Patty Shnyder beat a couple of low rank male players in off-season exhibitions.

MegaDethly
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:28 PM
He is correct.

Didnt Serena get whooped by a guy ranked 100?

Women getting equal pay is a complete sham and an insult to men.

Why, do women pay less for things because they are not as strong?

What an idiot.

Pureracket
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:35 PM
And 100% correct.

Any male with a world ranking playing to the best of his ability would — not could, would — defeat any female with a world ranking playing to the best of her ability in a non-handicapped, best of 3 set match. The difference in skill, technique and power is enormous.You're right on only one count, though - power. The power between men and the women is immeasurable. However, you're wrong on the technique and skill part.

I would imagine Serena Williams being able to hit a target on the other side of the court just as accurately as Nadal's can with a serve. I would bet money that Maria Sharapova's backhand can be just as accurate as Del Potro's. Again, take out velocity and power, and I would argue that the skill set and the technique are close to even.

Ryan
Jun 6th, 2010, 12:38 PM
And 100% correct.

Any male with a world ranking playing to the best of his ability would — not could, would — defeat any female with a world ranking playing to the best of her ability in a non-handicapped, best of 3 set match. The difference in skill, technique and power is enormous.



So? Until women and men compete AGAINST each other, the argument over equal pay is pointless. They play at different levels, but why should dudes get paid more because of natural ability? The women WORK just as hard as men.

And the idea of "performance-based pay" applies here too, since in tennis you're paid based on HOW YOU PERFORM. So women getting the same as men shouldn't bother anyone. Its not an insult to anyone.

PLP
Jun 6th, 2010, 01:49 PM
Serena would not touch Isner's serve if she was given 10 chances each time

But the real difference is movement. You can just tell by looking that the WTA players movement is far inferior. They would not be able to reach the men's stronger and more spin shots.

You have been on this board for half-a-second.
Why bump this thread??
:lol:

Are you secretly John Isner?

swim4life227
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:23 PM
I reckon Sam would be interesting... considering she is really powerful with her forehands.

Seeing as she just lost to Schiavone yesterday, I don't think she's going to be challenging ATP players anytime soon.

mure
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:36 PM
Take away his serve and he's still very good.

at putting curtains up

Aaric
Jun 6th, 2010, 04:37 PM
at putting curtains up

So true :lol: