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Hachiko
Sep 11th, 2009, 08:37 AM
Chinese Scientists 'Filmed UFO For 40 Minutes'

www.telegraph.co.uk (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6148974/Chinese-scientists-filmed-UFO-for-40-minutes.html)

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The UFO world is alive with speculation that China is about to reveal details of startling and detailed footage of an unidentified flying object taken during the solar eclipse on July 22.

Scientists at the Purple Mountain Observatory in Nanjing are reported to have confirmed that they filmed a UFO during the eclipse for 40 minutes. They say that they will spend the next 12 months studying the footage before drawing any conclusions.

The director of the observatory, Ji Hai-sheng, told sina.com that scientists would not be speculating publicly on the nature of what was captured on film until it had been properly studied.

He added:"'Purple Mountain Observatory and Chinese Academy of Sciences said that during the July 22 total solar eclipse observation, China had discovered near the sun, by observing staff, an unidentified object, it's physical nature remains to be further studied.

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"Currently manpower is being organized to deal with this data, complete the data analysis and reveal the scientific results and this will take at least one year's time to finalise."

The incident follows a series of UFO sightings in China which culminated in an object being captured on film by students in Deqing. The footage, which was featured on Chinese television, appears to show the object repeatedly changing shape after initially appearing as a glowing blue sphere.

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12 months seems like an awful long time...

Scotso
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:06 AM
You're a conspiracy nut. :lol:

Any species that could travel to our planet from another solar system would have to be extremely intelligent, which would likely mean they would want nothing to do with us.

gentenaire
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:44 AM
Decades later, and the shape of UFOs still hasn't changed. How unoriginal.

Beat
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:51 AM
Decades later, and the shape of UFOs still hasn't changed.
:rolls:

young_gunner913
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:54 AM
The truth is out there. :hearts:

Aravanecaravan
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:23 AM
They're just now learning how to do that? I made one of those when I was a kid by gluing two pie plates together and hanging it from a tree limb with a piece of fishing line....

Hachiko
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:54 AM
You're a conspiracy nut. :lol:

Any species that could travel to our planet from another solar system would have to be extremely intelligent, which would likely mean they would want nothing to do with us.

I agree, they would have to be far more advanced than us. It's the general belief amongst UFologists that the extraterrestrials who are visiting us are doing so for research purposes, hence all the abduction claims. Why do we explore our planet? Why do we explore our solar sytem? Why do we have SETI? Isn't it far more likely the alien's just want to learn like we do. Many investigators who have studied the phenomenon objectively have concluded there's something going on.

By the way, I'm only interested in the UFO conspiracy. :p I guess TennisForum is hardly the place for it though.

Decades later, and the shape of UFOs still hasn't changed. How unoriginal.

I'm not sure what you're implying here but isn't the fact they are consistent in shape make these reports all the more interesting? Similar shapes have been depicted frequently throughout art history for centuries.

There's plenty of evidence from Renaissance paintings. Just google UFO coin and you'll see how they were depicted on French 14th century currency.

http://www.ufoartwork.com/images/ufoartwork_ad/lippiufo.jpg

young_gunner913
Sep 11th, 2009, 11:30 AM
By the way, I'm only interested in the UFO conspiracy. :p I guess TennisForum is hardly the place for it though.

http://www.ufoartwork.com/images/ufoartwork_ad/lippiufo.jpg

for half the other stupid stuff thats posted on here, why not? :p

and for the non-believers...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/FlamingoSpice/avatar7513_155.gif

Scotso
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:02 PM
Decades later, and the shape of UFOs still hasn't changed. How unoriginal.

:lol:

Scotso
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:11 PM
I agree, they would have to be far more advanced than us. It's the general belief amongst UFologists that the extraterrestrials who are visiting us are doing so for research purposes, hence all the abduction claims.

Admitting that they must be far more advanced than us raises the question of why they can't go unnoticed. If they do exist, they obviously don't want us to know of it because they haven't made contact. I have to believe an alien species able to travel to other solar systems wouldn't be so stupid as to fly over crowded cities in daylight or show up on radar.


I'm not sure what you're implying here but isn't the fact they are consistent in shape make these reports all the more interesting? Similar shapes have been depicted frequently throughout art history for centuries.

Which is why UFOs are always portrayed in that manner, in a futile attempt to give credence to their claims.

Hachiko
Sep 11th, 2009, 12:12 PM
for half the other stupid stuff thats posted on here, why not? :p

and for the non-believers...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/FlamingoSpice/avatar7513_155.gif

Totally, agree. :yeah: Most people are ignorant so of course it's normal to be skeptical initially. Skeptics seem to be under the impression "believers" are trying to make them believe, when in actual fact we're just demonstrating how this ridiculed phenomena requires scientific study. The best UFologists are the best skeptics anyway since they have greater knowledge about the cases.

Perhaps we should dedicate a thread for this kind of conjecture. Not sure how well it would be received. :p

I got a little carried away with posting depictions in paintings, petroglyphs and other pre-historic art, so instead I just recommend this website for those interested: http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseView.asp?section=sortoldest. Good chronological account.

Aravanecaravan
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:28 PM
OK, I've got a scientific question for you--how come practically all UFO sightings occur in cornfields or backwoods, where, coincidentally, all the moonshine stills are also located?

If you were a little green spaceperson from Alpha Centauri or wherever, wouldn't you scope out the more developed parts of a planet, rather than, say, Iowa or Arkansas?

OTOH, maybe now they've decided to investigate China so they can develop their "knock-off", black market technologies....

Scotso
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:35 PM
OK, I've got a scientific question for you--how come practically all UFO sightings occur in cornfields or backwoods, where, coincidentally, all the moonshine stills are also located?

:haha:

You made me spit my water all over the monitor but it was worth it. :spit: :lol:

Scotso
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:38 PM
For me the single best (and probably only) reason to speculate about aliens visiting Earth are the Nazca Lines.

Hachiko
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Admitting that they must be far more advanced than us raises the question of why they can't go unnoticed. If they do exist, they obviously don't want us to know of it because they haven't made contact. I have to believe an alien species able to travel to other solar systems wouldn't be so stupid as to fly over crowded cities in daylight or show up on radar.

There are a billion possibilities. If we assume that an alien species capable of making contact with us are considerably more advanced, why would they feel they need to? It could be either they can't, or are prohibited for some reason, that we are not worth contacting but may be when we are advanced enough. Or even that they already are and we know nothing about it because it is all classified.

I think the most logical reason is because of the chaotic impact it would have. Religions would collapse because of the Biblical discrepancies, governments would falter. There's no telling of how some people would react. Just look at how aliens are portrayed in movies. How do you think most people would respond if a UFO landed in your neighbourhood? Probably with a whole lot of screaming and grabbing of weapons.

It's probably not wise to make assumptions about alien lifespans although many conspirators have pointed out it is potentially a lot longer than ours, which would allow them to be very patient. If they can survive a thousand years then they'd have no problem waiting for another 50 until we can better handle their arrival. We are probably just so inconsequential to them though that the most we rate is an occasional random interaction.

Lin Lin
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:16 PM
:unsure:

Hachiko
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:18 PM
For me the single best (and probably only) reason to speculate about aliens visiting Earth are the Nazca Lines.

Definitely. There seems to be greater evidence of alien connections with ancient tribes than there has been in modern times. I think there's many other cases more worthy of speculation though. Roswell, The Mexico UFO Wave and The Phoenix Lights for instance.

brickhousesupporter
Sep 11th, 2009, 03:08 PM
Decades later, and the shape of UFOs still hasn't changed. How unoriginal.
Not that I think the footage is real or anything, but after thousands of years the shape of a wheel is still round........Sometimes the best design is the most lasting design.

gentenaire
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:18 PM
If they can survive a thousand years then they'd have no problem waiting for another 50 until we can better handle their arrival. .

They'd have to survive a million years if they ever want to travel to the earth. It's kind of far.

So what do they do after traveling for so long? They draw a few circles in corn fields!

Not that I think the footage is real or anything, but after thousands of years the shape of a wheel is still round........Sometimes the best design is the most lasting design.

True. Otherwise people wouldn't know it's supposed to represent a UFO. They might try to look for a logical explanation otherwise.

Hachiko
Sep 11th, 2009, 04:57 PM
They'd have to survive a million years if they ever want to travel to the earth. It's kind of far.

So what do they do after traveling for so long? They draw a few circles in corn fields!

Why assume their technology would be so primitive? Some physicists have proposed they may use dark energy propulsion systems, "gravity amplifiers" or possess the technology to cause space/time to bend, much like space/time bends in the intense gravitational field of a black hole. Many more have theorised the possibility of travel via quantum wormholes, which could mean they could travel here in months as opposed to millenia.

There are other more alternative theories too of course, some people believe they are not from our plane of existence, but from a different universe/dimension in the multiverse. That would mean they haven't got to travel great physical distances to get here.


True. Otherwise people wouldn't know it's supposed to represent a UFO. They might try to look for a logical explanation otherwise.

Actually, most people who dedicate their time researching this and speculating are actually very intelligent people. Sorry.

Yorker
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:15 PM
this looks pretty fake but i think it is obvious that aliens do exist, our solar system is so big that it's basically inevitable. the phoenix lights, area 51, the one that just happened in texas i think what like a year or 2 ago, and roswell. i'm not saying all of these are true but it definitely has some speculation surrounding it. i think we all like to believe that something is out there.

youizahoe
Sep 11th, 2009, 05:17 PM
They are gonna take Wozniacki away to the land of pushers :hearts:

mirzalover
Sep 12th, 2009, 12:05 AM
I believe because of whatYorkersaid. The universe is HUGE is it really that hard to believe that we aren't the only intelligent living things in it? Also there have been UFO seen in major cities before.

LeonHart
Sep 12th, 2009, 12:14 AM
I believe because of whatYorkersaid. The universe is HUGE is it really that hard to believe that we are the only intelligent living things in it? Also there have been UFO seen in major cities before.

That's what I think too. But I won't believe anything until I see it with my own eyes. Like everyone else said: the universe is so huge, even traveling at the speed of light, it would take a damn long time to get to Earth.

Sally Struthers
Sep 12th, 2009, 12:25 AM
I believe in extraterrestrial life but not in UFOs due to the vast distances required to travel between planets and will continue to not believe in UFOs till they rewrite the laws of physics and someone finds a way to break the light speed barrier. And if technologically advanced aliens were to have visited us, I'm sure it would have gone very badly. You need only look to the history of what we have done on this planet when something like that occurs. It usually results in the eradication of the less developed society.

Hachiko
Sep 12th, 2009, 01:06 AM
In 2008 scientists proposed faster than light travel is actually possible using elementary physics. I explained some specifics in my previous post.
You can read the paper by the British Interplanetary Society here: http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0712/0712.1649v2.pdf

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 12th, 2009, 02:23 AM
OK, I've got a scientific question for you--how come practically all UFO sightings occur in cornfields or backwoods, where, coincidentally, all the moonshine stills are also located?

If you were a little green spaceperson from Alpha Centauri or wherever, wouldn't you scope out the more developed parts of a planet, rather than, say, Iowa or Arkansas?

OTOH, maybe now they've decided to investigate China so they can develop their "knock-off", black market technologies....

Well the backwoods is usually where some US and UK military forts are as well.
I recall a story of a black man in the armed forces who saw an UFO and was abducted near a NC military base.

Well if I wanted to learn what makes a certain kind of culture tick without being seen, I would go to Iowa.
It is the land of high fructose corn syrup and soybean byproducts which many of the American population live off of in some form.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 12th, 2009, 02:30 AM
That's what I think too. But I won't believe anything until I see it with my own eyes. Like everyone else said: the universe is so huge, even traveling at the speed of light, it would take a damn long time to get to Earth.

So if even if it did take a long time to get to Earth, why are you making the assumption that extraterrestrial life haven't been around Earth for a long time.

Direwolf
Sep 12th, 2009, 07:54 AM
Decades later, and the shape of UFOs still hasn't changed. How unoriginal.

planes still have wings...

i think its all about aerodynamics...
fuel consumptions etc...

travelling through space in that little
vehicle... they must save as much
as they can...

Yorker
Sep 12th, 2009, 03:59 PM
I believe in extraterrestrial life but not in UFOs due to the vast distances required to travel between planets and will continue to not believe in UFOs till they rewrite the laws of physics and someone finds a way to break the light speed barrier. And if technologically advanced aliens were to have visited us, I'm sure it would have gone very badly. You need only look to the history of what we have done on this planet when something like that occurs. It usually results in the eradication of the less developed society.



i'm probably going to screw this post up, but i'm a pretty big fan of the shows ufo hunters, monsterquest, paranormal state etc. anyways on ufo hunters a theory of theirs and you can take it with a grain of salt is that these crafts can focus on a point and automatically turn up there, there was a name for it but i can't remember it all, i explained pretty badly as well, it was a long explanation.

Aravanecaravan
Sep 15th, 2009, 02:52 PM
Well the backwoods is usually where some US and UK military forts are as well.
I recall a story of a black man in the armed forces who saw an UFO and was abducted near a NC military base.

Well if I wanted to learn what makes a certain kind of culture tick without being seen, I would go to Iowa.
It is the land of high fructose corn syrup and soybean byproducts which many of the American population live off of in some form.

I dunno. That's an awful lot of gas money just to check out soybeans and corn.

I think Sagan had it right. There's a near mathematical certainty that life exists elsewhere in the universe, in whatever form. However, there is no rational evidence to support the notion that we, here on Earth, have been visited by extraterrestrials. People telling stories about UFO encounters isn't credible scientific evidence. But I do have to hand it to the believers--it's the kind of evidence that's impossible to discredit. Again, however, merely because no one can discredit or disclaim a story doesn't make the story true. Somewhere, in the 60+ years that UFOs have been in the public's consciousness, there should be some credible scientific evidence that backs up these tales. Where is it?

From a logical standpoint, given the Big Bang theory, shouldn't it be plausible to think that life, wherever it has sprung up, would evolve at roughly the same speed? Given that in our evolution here on earth we have only been able to venture a small fraction of the way out of the solar system into the universe, via satellites, why should we presume that someone, or something else has gone further?

Aravanecaravan
Sep 15th, 2009, 02:56 PM
i'm probably going to screw this post up, but i'm a pretty big fan of the shows ufo hunters, monsterquest, paranormal state etc.

UFOs are silly, but now Monsterquest....

Nobody's going to tell me that globsters aren't real....there's one that lives in the lake behind my townhouse.

hectopascal
Sep 15th, 2009, 03:14 PM
I dunno. That's an awful lot of gas money just to check out soybeans and corn.

I think Sagan had it right. There's a near mathematical certainty that life exists elsewhere in the universe, in whatever form. However, there is no rational evidence to support the notion that we, here on Earth, have been visited by extraterrestrials. People telling stories about UFO encounters isn't credible scientific evidence. But I do have to hand it to the believers--it's the kind of evidence that's impossible to discredit. Again, however, merely because no one can discredit or disclaim a story doesn't make the story true. Somewhere, in the 60+ years that UFOs have been in the public's consciousness, there should be some credible scientific evidence that backs up these tales. Where is it?

From a logical standpoint, given the Big Bang theory, shouldn't it be plausible to think that life, wherever it has sprung up, would evolve at roughly the same speed? Given that in our evolution here on earth we have only been able to venture a small fraction of the way out of the solar system into the universe, via satellites, why should we presume that someone, or something else has gone further?

I don't really believe we've been visited by aliens, but to the conspiracy theorists' defence, just consider how much man has advanced in the last few hundred years. Nothing much was happening technologically from 5000BC (or whenever man came into existence), so in theory aliens who came into existence around the same time could be much more tech advanced if they had their "boom" or renaissance a couple of thousand years earlier than us - and assuming exponential growth, that's a massive tech advantage!

Yorker
Sep 15th, 2009, 04:58 PM
UFOs are silly, but now Monsterquest....

Nobody's going to tell me that globsters aren't real....there's one that lives in the lake behind my townhouse.

haha a few are legit animals just screwing up what they are but idk i still find it cool to watch it.

Aravanecaravan
Sep 15th, 2009, 06:18 PM
haha a few are legit animals just screwing up what they are but idk i still find it cool to watch it.

I'm not laughing at you--I watch Monsterquest, too. Mostly because of the formula, which never fails to make me laugh out loud when I watch it: background about a history of strange sightings, discussion by 'experts', like the guy whose official title was "Chupacabra Expert", an explanation of the scientific methodology that will be used to uncover proof of the monster's existence, the actual 'hunt' itself, and finally, the payoff: a hungry possum, dog, bird or other which had the dubious misfortune of being caught in the trap.

God, I don't know why I waste so much time watching that stuff, but it's like watching a train wreck--you can't look away....

Anyway, I don't know about Bigfoot, Nessie, the Jersey Devil, Chupacabras or "rads", but the St. Augustine Globster RULES!

Willam
Sep 15th, 2009, 07:58 PM
they might be smarter than us, but we're much more good looking than aliens.

LeRoy.
Sep 15th, 2009, 08:02 PM
they might be smarter than us, but we're much more good looking than aliens.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Species-movie-01.jpg

Hotter than that ? :p

Direwolf
Sep 15th, 2009, 09:03 PM
seriously...
i think that the Government is smart to keep the files very safe...

Yorker
Sep 15th, 2009, 10:56 PM
I'm not laughing at you--I watch Monsterquest, too. Mostly because of the formula, which never fails to make me laugh out loud when I watch it: background about a history of strange sightings, discussion by 'experts', like the guy whose official title was "Chupacabra Expert", an explanation of the scientific methodology that will be used to uncover proof of the monster's existence, the actual 'hunt' itself, and finally, the payoff: a hungry possum, dog, bird or other which had the dubious misfortune of being caught in the trap.

God, I don't know why I waste so much time watching that stuff, but it's like watching a train wreck--you can't look away....

Anyway, I don't know about Bigfoot, Nessie, the Jersey Devil, Chupacabras or "rads", but the St. Augustine Globster RULES!



i love when the do the interviews about sightings..you'll get a guy with 2 front teeth and he'll be yup i was out crawdad fishin and all of sudden this big furry thing jumps out and says boo, freaked me out for a week..honestly those get me everytime. i tune in though because i love hearing all the ancient stories especially the native american ones, i always find those fascinating to listen to, there was a good one on paranormal state, i think it was called gillands ranch or something and honestly there was some things moving in the sky that didn't really fit. i know these ghost shows can be fake but i think paranormal state is honestly the real deal unlike most hunted and ghost hunters.