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tiptop
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:10 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/tennis/09/09/oudin.family/index.html?eref=twitter_feed

Ouch :o

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:14 AM
they build you up to tear you down. shameful.

emmz
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:15 AM
Couldn't it just be a normal Cinderella run?

tiptop
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:16 AM
The story went up pretty much immediately after she had lost. I'm a bit surprised Wertheim contributed to it.

Consigliere
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:16 AM
Is her father is the ugly one with the plentiful chinny jawness? I saw him there the other night sitting on an aisle but not tonight?

ArturoAce.
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:18 AM
so many stories behind all these losses.

sloane, and her dad passing away.
jj, and her grandma passing away.
and now mel, with a wierd divorce story.

:p

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:20 AM
The story went up pretty much immediately after she had lost. I'm a bit surprised Wertheim contributed to it.

exactly. i mean they couldn't even wait for her tears to dry. :rolleyes:

mckyle.
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:20 AM
I would hate to have my parent's dirty laundry aired all over the national media :o

AstuteLearner8
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:22 AM
SI is that bored...

Consigliere
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:22 AM
I would hate to have my parent's dirty laundry aired all over the national media :o

I think you could deal with it if you're gonna be a superstar gazillionaire.

lakeway11
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:22 AM
scumbag...

Apoleb
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:24 AM
Just ridiculous. Isn't that supposed to be confidential information?

Hardly surprising from the trashy American sports media. They've always been drama suckers, because that's what sells.

And to think that a tennis "expert" is an author. :help:

harloo
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:24 AM
they build you up to tear you down. shameful.

Melanie will soon learn how everything operates in the tennis establishment. Whether she can handle the pressure of performing well and dealing with an unforgiving media that loves scandal is another question. You could clearly see the tension in her face tonight. All the interviews, adulation, and expectations has caught up to her. Well, from here on out she'll be under a microscope. I hope she's able to deal with it.

Slammer7
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:25 AM
This is what disgusts me with the media. Why even write this story, is this really necessary right now? Couldn't they have just waited until after the tourney was over at least to air this mess in public? :( Poor Mel. :hug:

simonsaystennis
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:25 AM
Omg Mel :hug: How horrible. Stay strong girl, you're amazing.

Bingain
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:27 AM
While I tend to trust Jon Wertheim's credibility on this report, I find it disturbing and disgusting. The time stamp was September 9, 2009 9:45PM, right after Mel lost the match.

On one hand they're catching the bandwagon like no tomorrow, on the other hand they're putting unnecessary on the already distressed teen they're chasing after.

Can't they postpone it another few days?

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:27 AM
Friggin scavengers!

Somethings we just don't need to know.

harloo
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:28 AM
The story went up pretty much immediately after she had lost. I'm a bit surprised Wertheim contributed to it.

Why are you surprised? Weirthem lives for gossip and mess. Do you not remember him writing a whole book of gossip about Venus? It was a good read though, very entertaining.:lol:

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:30 AM
This is what disgusts me with the media. Why even write this story, is this really necessary right now? Couldn't they have just waited until after the tourney was over at least to air this mess in public? :( Poor Mel. :hug:


At least they waited until she lost :shrug:

Slammer7
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:39 AM
At least they waited until she lost :shrug:

Yeah, like 2 minutes after she lost. :( It's like saying at least you told me you were going to smack me in the face before you smacked me in the face. http://curvegotti.com/forums/images/smilies/smiley_slapacrossroom.gifIt's still wrong what they did though, poor kid. Welcome to the big-time Mel. :(

SharapovaFTW
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:42 AM
You guys should be thanking the media until after she lost that they published this store. I'm sure they have known about it the whole time she was making her run. The media rarely holds off on a story like this regardless, so it is actually surprising they waited this long.

pokey camp
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:45 AM
While I tend to trust Jon Wertheim's credibility on this report, I find it disturbing and disgusting. The time stamp was September 9, 2009 9:45PM, right after Mel lost the match.

On one hand they're catching the bandwagon like no tomorrow, on the other hand they're putting unnecessary on the already distressed teen they're chasing after.

Can't they postpone it another few days?
Just a hunch here... but I think that's exactly what they did do. They waited until she lost. That SI likely sat on this story and waited until the second she lost instead of simply reporting it, is perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the reporting here. It's not the media's job to protect a player. It's the media's job to report. Is the subject matter newsworthy? Well, it would be for most other public figures. Unfortunately. :tape:

lakeway11
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:48 AM
hopefully her mother stays away from her 15yo bf...

Apoleb
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:49 AM
The bad part of the story isn't that her parents are divorcing. It's going into detail about the divorce documents. They could've kept at the divorce part. It would've been half-understandable. Interestingly, no one was able to get into Justine's reasons for divorce. Is it because the information there is confidential, unlike what it is in the US? Or because there's simply a more respectable media, especially sports media there?

I'm sorry, but if you were a journalist and decided to publish this, then you're crap. More to the point, if you're a sports media organization and decided to accept the journalist's article, you're also crap. I can't pretend to have followed either Wetheim or SI, but here's more reason to avoid them. Which probably what most people should do, if we really object to that type of reporting.

Serenita
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:49 AM
That's disguting to publish such article.
They have no shame.

the cat
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:51 AM
What a terrible story about Melanie Oudin's parents divorcing. Them getting a divorce is bad enough for their 3 young daughters. :sad: But if it's true about Melanie's mother and coach that makes this story even worse. And does the public even need to know about this divorce or that Melanie's father claims his wife commited adultery with Melanie's coach? I think not. But it is public news and it has to hurt Melanie and her family so much.

On a side note I wonder if the publicity of this divorce will change Melanie's views towards her coach Brian de Villiers and whether she can trust him especially if he helped break up her parents. I know no one is perfect and I don't know what Melanie's parents went through but I am so sad for Melanie because this news of her parents divorce and the sordid details of it going public will hurt her much worse and much longer than her loss and poor performance tonight against Wozniacki.

P.S. - Does breaking this story help or hurt Jon Wertheim's reputation as an excellent tennis journalist? I think it hurts his repuation. Why did Wertheim need to break this story? Does he want to work for TMZ or Sports Illustrated?

SharapovaFTW
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:53 AM
The bad part of the story isn't that her parents are divorcing. It's going into detail about the divorce documents. They could've kept at the divorce part. It would've been half-understandable.

I'm sorry, but if you were a journalist and decided to publish this, then you're crap. More to the point, if you're a sports media organization and decided to accept the journalist's article, you're also crap. I can't pretend to have followed either Wetheim or SI, but here's more reason to avoid them. Which probably what most people should do, if we really object to that type of reporting.

As a journalist it is your duty to publish the true story no matter how shallow, low, or ridiculous someone thinks it is. This is the world we live in and how the media works. Journalism is not about being nice. It is about telling the truth and getting people to read what you write. This will do that. You might not agree with it, but the journalist was doing their job. If they didn't write it someone else would have, period.

Apoleb
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:54 AM
As a journalist it is your duty to publish the true story no matter how shallow, low, or ridiculous someone thinks it is. This is the world we live in and how the media works. Journalism is not about being nice. It is about telling the truth and getting people to read what you write. This will do that. You might not agree with it, but the journalist was doing their job. If they didn't write it someone else would have, period.

This is a joke. As a journalist, you have a responsibility on what do you report. I don't assume the personal life of a sportswoman's parents to be the property of the public.

clonesheep
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:55 AM
Johnny Worthless has sunk to a new low. I don't read his articles because they are worthless anyway.

SharapovaFTW
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:56 AM
This is a joke. As a journalist, you have a responsibility on what do you report. I don't assume the personal life of a sportswoman's parents is the property of the public.

If he didn't write it someone else would have. This is is what you must understand. If you are a celebrity everything is fair game. It sucks but that is the world we live in. I'm not saying good for him for writing it, just being a realist on the issue.

Slammer7
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:57 AM
What a terrible story about Melanie Oudin's parents divorcing. Them getting a divorce is bad enough for their 3 young daughters. :sad: But if it's true about Melanie's mother and coach that makes this story even worse. And does the public even need to know about this divorce or that Melanie's father claims his wife commited adultery with Melanie's coach? I think not. But it is public news and it has to hurt Melanie and her family so much.

On a side note I wonder if the publicity of this divorce will change Melanie's views towards her coach Brian de Villiers and whether she can trust him especially if he helped break up her parents. I know no one is perfect and I don't know what Melanie's parents went through but I am so sad for Melanie because this news of her parents divorce and the sordid details of it going public will hurt her much worse and much longer than her loss and poor performance tonight against Wozniacki.

P.S. - Does breaking this story help or hurt Jon Wertheim's reputation as an excellent tennis journalist? I think it hurts his repuation. Why did Wertheim need to break this story? Does he want to work for TMZ or Sports Illustrated?

So true. I guess he is a tabloid journalist now. :o I guess he deals in trash now. :fiery:

http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/t/trash-can-emoticon.gif

Jon Wertheim

Black Mamba.
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:58 AM
I wish the timing of the article was better. SharapovaFTW has a point about how if he didn't write the article someone else would've.

Apoleb
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:58 AM
If he didn't write it someone else would have.

This isn't an excuse to write it yourself. Especially when we're talking about such a huge mainstream media org like SI. An article on SI doesn't get the same coverage on, say, Perez Hilton. And anyway it's not necessarily true. SI be the only one who got hold of the divorce papers. Seems more like they were running an investigation.

Stamp Paid
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:59 AM
Why?
And watch some ignorant ass tennis reporter have the nerve to ask her about this in a post match interview.

the cat
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:00 AM
Melanie Oudin recently said she thinks of her long time coach Brian de Villiers as her second father. Hmmm I wonder what Melanie's father John Oudin thinks of that. :scratch:

the cat
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:04 AM
So true. I guess he is a tabloid journalist now. :o I guess he deals in trash now. :fiery:

http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/t/trash-can-emoticon.gif

Jon Wertheim
Why Wertheim why? Are other tennis journalists digging through rubbish to dig up dirt on Melanie Oudin's family? Is this what tennis has sunk to? I hope not because there is probably alot of dirt on tennis families. But guess what? I don't need or want to know about it.

And what if Melanie's parents have only told her and her 2 sisters that they are getting a divorce and the girls didn't even know that their dad alleges that Melanie's mother and coach had a sexual relationship? The poor girls would be devastated. :bigcry: This will be like a soap opera come to life for them and that is a shame. :(

harloo
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:04 AM
I wish the timing of the article was better. SharapovaFTW has a point about how if he didn't write the article someone else would've.

It's amazing the media waited to print this story. Melan Oudin is hot news right now in this country. Her entire family is visible at the US Open wearing, "I Believe" t-shirts, her sister is doing interviews, and even her boyfriend has caused a frenzy.

If Melanie wasn't America's sweetheart this story would have been posted while she was still in the tournament. She would have been asked questions during press conferences and might have felt more pressure. The media doesn't care how old you are. If the story is hot, they'll jump on it.

spiritedenergy
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:04 AM
poor girl media gossips starts now... sickening:tape:

the cat
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:05 AM
I wish the timing of the article was better. SharapovaFTW has a point about how if he didn't write the article someone else would've.
Who else would have? A real sportswriter or a gossip writer for Star Magazine or some garbage paper like that? What a shame for the Oudin's. It's a shame the Oudin's have to be publicly exposed to such turmoil.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:20 AM
I just don't know why the info is newsworthy.

I mean, what are the national divorce stats?

While divorce is a shame, too bad and sad, the fact is, it's common place. The only people that it is really newsworthy to are those directly involved. So why should a respected, international sports organ like SI air someone's domestic shame that's as common place as divorce.

Worthless-hind has stooped lower than low.

matty
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:21 AM
Wow, if true, that's pretty lame of her mom.

Go Mel--Believe in yourself and play for yourself and love of the game--not for anyone else.

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:27 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/tennis/09/09/oudin.family/index.html?eref=twitter_feed

Ouch :o
Double ouch.

TheFifthAvocado
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:30 AM
her success couldn't have come at a more inconvenient time. :sad:

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:30 AM
This is what disgusts me with the media. Why even write this story, is this really necessary right now? Couldn't they have just waited until after the tourney was over at least to air this mess in public? :( Poor Mel. :hug:
It's all about the bottom line and if anyone is to blame it's her trifling mother and coach.

bobbynorwich
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:31 AM
Divorce proceedings are public record, available to anyone who wants the information. At least SI waited until after her defeat to publish these records. All the more credit to Melanie for being able to persevere despite the distressful situation of her mother sleeping with her coach.

hammerhead
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:34 AM
Many people in the tennis community know about Melanie's mom and Coach DeVilliers. I was afraid some slimeball would try to make news with it. Sad for Melanie and the her siblings -- not their fault and they shouldn't have to suffer this kind of publicity.

Actually, there's more to the story about her coach. This isn't the first time he's been involved in an "impropreity". Let's just say he has a history of not being able to keep it in his pants.

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:38 AM
What a terrible story about Melanie Oudin's parents divorcing. Them getting a divorce is bad enough for their 3 young daughters. :sad: But if it's true about Melanie's mother and coach that makes this story even worse. And does the public even need to know about this divorce or that Melanie's father claims his wife commited adultery with Melanie's coach? I think not. But it is public news and it has to hurt Melanie and her family so much.

On a side note I wonder if the publicity of this divorce will change Melanie's views towards her coach Brian de Villiers and whether she can trust him especially if he helped break up her parents. I know no one is perfect and I don't know what Melanie's parents went through but I am so sad for Melanie because this news of her parents divorce and the sordid details of it going public will hurt her much worse and much longer than her loss and poor performance tonight against Wozniacki.

P.S. - Does breaking this story help or hurt Jon Wertheim's reputation as an excellent tennis journalist? I think it hurts his repuation. Why did Wertheim need to break this story? Does he want to work for TMZ or Sports Illustrated?
In the article it said that she and her sister already knew it's just embarrassing for it to hit the news.

Morrissey
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:41 AM
I think this is very unfortunate and very sad. Melanie Oudin sounds like a nice kid. It's very sad this is going on in her life right now.

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:44 AM
Divorce proceedings are public record, available to anyone who wants the information. At least SI waited until after her defeat to publish these records. All the more credit to Melanie for being able to persevere despite the distressful situation of her mother sleeping with her coach.
What I find amazing is that she kept him as her coach once she found out he was having an affair with her mother. I can't imagine doing that if it were my mother and father. That coach would have to go.

pokey camp
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:44 AM
Many people in the tennis community know about Melanie's mom and Coach DeVilliers. I was afraid some slimeball would try to make news with it. Sad for Melanie and the her siblings -- not their fault and they shouldn't have to suffer this kind of publicity.

Actually, there's more to the story about her coach. This isn't the first time he's been involved in an "impropreity". Let's just say he has a history of not being able to keep it in his pants.
Oh jeez. If SI is slimy for reporting this... what does that make you? :shrug:

brickhousesupporter
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:48 AM
Welcome to the big time Melanie........


If you are what you say you are, a superstar
Then have no fear, the camera's here
And the microphones
And they wanna know, oh oh oh yeah

SOA_MC
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:49 AM
Melanie :hug:

Hope your family issues get sorted out quick and you can all move on

Drake1980
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:50 AM
Holy crap! :eek:

the cat
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Many people in the tennis community know about Melanie's mom and Coach DeVilliers. I was afraid some slimeball would try to make news with it. Sad for Melanie and the her siblings -- not their fault and they shouldn't have to suffer this kind of publicity.

Actually, there's more to the story about her coach. This isn't the first time he's been involved in an "impropreity". Let's just say he has a history of not being able to keep it in his pants.
If that's for real about Brian de Villiers that is sad. Parents have to be strong enough to not let him work with their children and particularly their daughters. I found it strange that Melanie Oudin referred to de Villers as her second father at the U.S. Open. What? He's just her coach or that's all he should be. Is this another case of a male coach being a svengali like figure to a young girl? It may be.

the cat
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:34 AM
In the article it said that she and her sister already knew it's just embarrassing for it to hit the news.
If you were Melanie's age and your tennis coach helped break up your family wouldn't you want him out of the picture? I would if the rumours are true that is. It seems like Brian de Villiers has a strong pull over Melanie Oudin. :(

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:38 AM
If you were Melanie's age and your tennis coach helped break up your family wouldn't you want him out of the picture? I would if the rumours are true that is. It seems like Brian de Villiers has a strong pull over Melanie Oudin. :(
You must have missed this one.

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=16464007&postcount=49

darrinbaker00
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:46 AM
What I find amazing is that she kept him as her coach once she found out he was having an affair with her mother. I can't imagine doing that if it were my mother and father. That coach would have to go.
You obviously don't play tennis, because if you did, you'd know just how hard it is to find a good coach. ;)

Sally Struthers
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:49 AM
:eek: :o

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:50 AM
It's amazing the media waited to print this story. Melan Oudin is hot news right now in this country. Her entire family is visible at the US Open wearing, "I Believe" t-shirts, her sister is doing interviews, and even her boyfriend has caused a frenzy.

If Melanie wasn't America's sweetheart this story would have been posted while she was still in the tournament. She would have been asked questions during press conferences and might have felt more pressure. The media doesn't care how old you are. If the story is hot, they'll jump on it.

Didn't Alexandra Stevenson go through something similar during her Wimby run when that old gossip Charlie Bricker went digging for her birth certificate.

RFSTB
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:56 AM
This is just plain low. This is not news. It's personal and private information, and had to be painful and distracting for Melanie. Wertheim has sunk to a new low. If anyone ever sees him in person, you have my permission to throw him rotten tomatoes, eggs...right in the face! What a sleezoid scumbag. Honestly what do you even expect from journalists anymore? Anything to sell papers. Zero conscience.

I'm still a fan of Melanie's.

Seyz
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:57 AM
Wow, that's hard though. I mean he probably has seen her ( I hate to say this) more than her own dad at certain times if he travels with her to the junior tournaments and practices every day with her.
That said, after this gets in the news, how is melanie going to work with her coach? They clearly are a good match as coach and student since she's gotten this far as a 17 year old, but to know your coach played a part in breaking up your parent's marriage?
Now, that's harsh. Poor girl, having this come out on the news after her amazing run.

tennisbum79
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:58 AM
Why did they need to publish this?

There is no need for the public to know.

darrinbaker00
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:01 AM
Didn't Alexandra Stevenson go through something similar during her Wimby run when that old gossip Charlie Bricker went digging for her birth certificate.
Actually, it was worse. After every match, Alex would be asked about it in her press conferences. "Congratulations on reaching the semifinals of Wimbledon as a qualifier, Alexandra. Is Julius Erving your father?" I'm sure SI had that in mind when they got wind of this story, and that's why they waited until Melanie was done playing.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:04 AM
Actually, it was worse. After every match, Alex would be asked about it in her press conferences. "Congratulations on reaching the semifinals of Wimbledon as a qualifier, Alexandra. Is Julius Erving your father?" I'm sure SI had that in mind when they got wind of this story, and that's why they waited until Melanie was done playing.

wow. how crass.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:08 AM
I'm sorry, but I must be missiong something in all this.

Why is this sport's newsworthy? Why did SI of all people feel they had to be the ones to break it?

Seriously, somebody please break down for me the MERIT in this being sport's newsworthy. I simply don't understand.

Darrin? Care to take a shot?

darrinbaker00
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:13 AM
I'm sorry, but I must be missiong something in all this.

Why is this sport's newsworthy? Why did SI of all people feel they had to be the ones to break it?

Seriously, somebody please break down for me the MERIT in this being sport's newsworthy. I simply don't understand.

Darrin? Care to take a shot?
If it were the standard "irreconcilable differences" divorce, it would warrant a second thought. It's news because of the mom-coach thing, just like Shawne Merriman made headlines for beating up Tila Tequila. If people weren't interested in stuff like that, it wouldn't be published.

drake3781
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:20 AM
Wow, that's hard though. I mean he probably has seen her ( I hate to say this) more than her own dad at certain times if he travels with her to the junior tournaments and practices every day with her.
That said, after this gets in the news, how is melanie going to work with her coach? They clearly are a good match as coach and student since she's gotten this far as a 17 year old, but to know your coach played a part in breaking up your parent's marriage?
Now, that's harsh. Poor girl, having this come out on the news after her amazing run.

Are you thinking Melanie just found out about this with the news article? She already knew.

drake3781
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:23 AM
Hm, I don't take such a hard line on this as most of you. :shrug: Melanie is getting a lot of attention, her sisters and mother were interviewed on air, her coach is a well known figure in the tennis establishment. Questions about her parents' roles in her career are natural, and a liaison between mother and coach serious enough to break up her family is close to newsworthy.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:24 AM
If it were the standard "irreconcilable differences" divorce, it would warrant a second thought. It's news because of the mom-coach thing, just like Shawne Merriman made headlines for beating up Tila Tequila. If people weren't interested in stuff like that, it wouldn't be published.
Thanks, I get the Shawn Merriman thing, but that's an alleged crime.

This is a legal agreement between consenting adults.

I understand what you're saying, and I know you're right. If people weren't interested...etc. I don't mean to be Polly Anna about this thing, but I just find it shocking that SI of all places would feel it was newsworthy.

Marriage betrayal happens all the time, unfortunately. I wonder what would happen if SI went digging in the divorce proceeding files of all the guys in the NFL or NBA who've gotten divorces. Why not those as well.

It just seems so tawdry to-even before Melanie has gotten out of the locker room- to go after her parents situation, though she's had nothing to do with it. I don't know. I'm rambling I know, but... whatever.

tennisbuddy12
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:24 AM
As a friend, Im just upset that the media had to do that.

Melanie is so professional and shes known for almost a year about her parents. I dont think the pressure will get to her a la Stevenson. Her parents raised her well and shes still well-grounded.

darrinbaker00
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:28 AM
Thanks, I get the Shawn Merriman thing, but that's an alleged crime.

This is a legal agreement between consenting adults.

I understand what you're saying, and I know you're right. If people weren't interested...etc. I don't mean to be Polly Anna about this thing, but I just find it shocking that SI of all places would feel it was newsworthy.

Marriage betrayal happens all the time, unfortunately. I wonder what would happen if SI went digging in the divorce proceeding files of all the guys in the NFL or NBA who've gotten divorces. Why not those as well.

It just seems so tawdry to-even before Melanie has gotten out of the locker room- to go after her parents situation, though she's had nothing to do with it. I don't know. I'm rambling I know, but... whatever.
What makes you think they haven't? I'm sure if they ever find a case where the wife slept with a teammate or coach, we'd hear about it immediately.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:33 AM
What makes you think they haven't? I'm sure if they ever find a case where the wife slept with a teammate or coach, we'd hear about it immediately.

Well, IF they already have dug around and they HAVEN'T found an aforementioned case, both leagues players have REALLY, and I mean REALLY cleaned up their acts.

I'm friends with a few professional football players, and trust me when I say, I don't think SI has done as much diggin' as they could. ...or, apparently, should.

harloo
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:47 AM
Didn't Alexandra Stevenson go through something similar during her Wimby run when that old gossip Charlie Bricker went digging for her birth certificate.

Now that was a complete mess. I remember the story was all over the news. Everyone was talking about it while Alexandra kept focusing on tennis. She was continually drilled about it in her press conferences. It was unfair but her run was the hot story at Wimbledon that year.

tenn_ace
Sep 10th, 2009, 06:16 AM
why bash the father, he wasn't the one who slept around :shrug:

this board never stops to amaze me...

Noctis
Sep 10th, 2009, 07:39 AM
John Oudin, Melanie Oudin's father, filed for divorce from Melanie's mother, Leslie, in July 2008, alleging that Leslie was having an affair with Melanie's coach Brian de Villiers.

ShimSham
Sep 10th, 2009, 07:47 AM
Are they divorced now?

In The Zone
Sep 10th, 2009, 07:50 AM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=390382

A thread already on this topic with 5 pages. Gee, who would have thought to read.

Ziggy Starduck
Sep 10th, 2009, 08:11 AM
Innocent until proven guilty :shrug:

hilluis
Sep 10th, 2009, 08:45 AM
Seems to me that there are very few parents of professional tennis players who are together??? I guess when the father is the coach, then the mother is at home with other children..... cant be an easy way to keep a marriage together Has anyone ever seen Mr Dementieva? Mr Jankovic? ( I imagine Jelena looks like him cos she sure doesnt look like her mother) Mr and Mrs Kuznetsova? I know there are some who are still together, like the Safins....Ivanovics...but it appears that it is tough to keep a marriage together if your child is a professional tennis player....

ghost world
Sep 10th, 2009, 09:21 AM
This is article is really unfortunate, but Oudin (and company) has been complicit in whoring herself out to the masses. I mean, Oudin, herself, has told us tons of shit - shit that has absolutely nothing to do with tennis - over the last several days that folks really have no business knowing.

These are the consequences.

Larrybidd
Sep 10th, 2009, 09:44 AM
Just a hunch here... but I think that's exactly what they did do. They waited until she lost. That SI likely sat on this story and waited until the second she lost instead of simply reporting it, is perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the reporting here. It's not the media's job to protect a player. It's the media's job to report. Is the subject matter newsworthy? Well, it would be for most other public figures. Unfortunately. :tape:

Melanie is a public figure. But why is her parents divorce newsworthy? Because the coach is involved, allegedly? Whatever, this seems to me to be an Enquirer story...not one for SI. I'm disapointed, but not suprised.

Larrybidd
Sep 10th, 2009, 09:49 AM
This is article is really unfortunate, but Oudin (and company) has been complicit in whoring herself out to the masses. I mean, Oudin, herself, has told us tons of shit - shit that has absolutely nothing to do with tennis - over the last several days that folks really have no business knowing.

These are the consequences.

So what does this mean? If any player cooperates with the media - which the WTA not only encourages, but REQUIRES - that means the player is a "whore", and the media has a right to investigate the past of anyone close to the player? Come on, you can't really mean she asked for it?

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:14 PM
You obviously don't play tennis, because if you did, you'd know just how hard it is to find a good coach. ;)
You are one sicko. :lol:

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:18 PM
This is just plain low. This is not news. It's personal and private information, and had to be painful and distracting for Melanie. Wertheim has sunk to a new low. If anyone ever sees him in person, you have my permission to throw him rotten tomatoes, eggs...right in the face! What a sleezoid scumbag. Honestly what do you even expect from journalists anymore? Anything to sell papers. Zero conscience.

I'm still a fan of Melanie's.
I don't know how distracting it is since it happened after she'd already lost.

Tanja8
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:21 PM
This is the first and the last post that I write in this thread. Because the only thing I can do about it is not to read this.
Yes, this sort of things are published because people want to read about it. If we all just ignored the news, there would be no point in publishing it in the future.

I`m happy and proud that I live in the country where nobody is interested in prime minister sex life, in divorces, scandals etc. of famous politicians, sportists, ... (well, maybe they are interested - but they are aware of that it`s inappropriate to publish such private things)

They sometimes write that actress X and her husband Y are getting a divorce - but this is pretty much all of it. Documents, hearings, papers ... those things are confidental.
And we have "celebrities" who send all sorts of things to the media themselves. I despise them deeply.

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:24 PM
Hm, I don't take such a hard line on this as most of you. :shrug: Melanie is getting a lot of attention, her sisters and mother were interviewed on air, her coach is a well known figure in the tennis establishment. Questions about her parents' roles in her career are natural, and a liaison between mother and coach serious enough to break up her family is close to newsworthy.
Also, people need to put the blame where it belongs and that's on Melanie's mom. For her to mess with her daughters coach is really low and she certainly didn't have her daughters best interest in mind. Getting fvcked was more important to her and now her daughter is the one that got fvcked in the media cause obviously she doesn't care. :rolleyes:

hammerhead
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Also, people need to put the blame where it belongs and that's on Melanie's mom. For her to mess with her daughters coach is really low and she certainly didn't have her daughters best interest in mind. Getting fvcked was more important to her and now her daughter is the one that got fvcked in the media cause obviously she doesn't care. :rolleyes:

What about blaming the coach! It takes two to tango. He was entrusted with working with this family to develop a young player and seriouly breached that trust. Meanwhile poor Mr. Oudin was at home working his tail off, taking care of two other children, and footing the bill for the wife, coach, and Melanie to travel the world (and screw around). :fiery:

harloo
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:35 PM
What about blaming the coach! It takes two to tango. He was entrusted with working with this family to develop a young player and seriouly breached that trust. Meanwhile poor Mr. Oudin was at home working his tail off, taking care of two other children, and footing the bill for the wife, coach, and Melanie to travel the world (and screw around). :fiery:

I blame the mother and the coach. But in reality if a man see's a horny cougar interested he's going to hit it. I'm sorry but most men don't think in terms of protecting the child especially when it comes to sleeping with women. But you're right the coach is just as responsible as the mother. I do feel in every instance women have the control over whether they want to engage an affair or not but I feel Melanie's coach should have been fired immediately. There is simply no excuse for his conduct.

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:48 PM
What about blaming the coach! It takes two to tango. He was entrusted with working with this family to develop a young player and seriouly breached that trust. Meanwhile poor Mr. Oudin was at home working his tail off, taking care of two other children, and footing the bill for the wife, coach, and Melanie to travel the world (and screw around). :fiery:
Because he's not the child's parent and owes her nothing but how to play tennis. He's an employee that's getting paid and some free stuff on the side. Coaches come and go, you're a parent forever, that's why.

Noctis
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:48 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=390382

A thread already on this topic with 5 pages. Gee, who would have thought to read.

Calm down :help: I Don't have time to read if I just rush back to work after break,but stroll on to some news and just posted,if its a duplicate ignore it no need for the stuff :weirdo:

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 03:50 PM
I blame the mother and the coach. But in reality if a man see's a horny cougar interested he's going to hit it. I'm sorry but most men don't think in terms of protecting the child especially when it comes to sleeping with women. But you're right the coach is just as responsible as the mother. I do feel in every instance women have the control over whether they want to engage an affair or not but I feel Melanie's coach should have been fired immediately. There is simply no excuse for his conduct.
I have to disagree that one gender has more responsibility than the other, my problem is the relationship and responsibility of a parent whether mother or father.

the cat
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:26 PM
I'm sorry, but I must be missiong something in all this.

Why is this sport's newsworthy? Why did SI of all people feel they had to be the ones to break it?

Seriously, somebody please break down for me the MERIT in this being sport's newsworthy. I simply don't understand.

Darrin? Care to take a shot?
:worship:

the cat
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:30 PM
This is article is really unfortunate, but Oudin (and company) has been complicit in whoring herself out to the masses. I mean, Oudin, herself, has told us tons of shit - shit that has absolutely nothing to do with tennis - over the last several days that folks really have no business knowing.

These are the consequences.
:weirdo: :cuckoo:

matty
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:14 PM
This is article is really unfortunate, but Oudin (and company) has been complicit in whoring herself out to the masses. I mean, Oudin, herself, has told us tons of shit - shit that has absolutely nothing to do with tennis - over the last several days that folks really have no business knowing.

These are the consequences.

Since when is giving interviews, whoring yourself. What's wrong with you? :confused:

KournikovaFan91
Sep 10th, 2009, 05:53 PM
What a bitch :o I hate all these cheaters.

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 11th, 2009, 01:57 AM
so which one of you guys is Ted?

Jon, I read and very much enjoy your columns on tennis, but have to say that I was really disappointed to see your name attached to the article about Melanie Oudin's parents' divorce. That is a scum article not a tennis article. That has no place on a sports page....Does reporting on such a story really further the discourse about Oudin or the sport in general? I think your journalistic integrity took a breather here.
-- Ted, Chicago

• As Oudin's run picked up momentum during this tournament, I heard from several sources that there was some tension behind the scenes and it wasn't quite the tidy all-American story that it was being made out to be. Lots of rumor but nothing concrete. I decided to see if, in fact, the parents were divorcing, as I had been told. To confirm that did not require an investigative dragnet; all the information that we reported was a matter of public record.

Had the Oudins split for financial reasons or irreconcilable differences or any of a hundred other reasons, I agree that this may well have been a non-story. But that wasn't the case at all. John Oudin's allegations -- and as we made clear, they're only allegations -- made reference to Melanie and to her tennis career, to tournament travel and to her coach, whom she had recently described as being "like another father to me." Unpleasant and salacious as all this was, we considered it relevant to Oudin's story -- which obviously went well beyond forehands and backhands during this tournament. We kept witnessing her laser-like focus, but it took on a new dimension given her family situation. We kept hearing about the support from her box, but that too took on a new dimension. Melanie's coach received attention and credit during the tournament -- as well he should have -- but, for instance, his remarks about the Oudin family took on a new context given that he was cited by the father in his divorce legal papers for the breakup of his marriage.

One of you asked if I felt "uncomfortable" writing the story. The answer, frankly, is yes. There was no pleasure or sense of fun here. I would much rather review match stats than divorce filings. But I would have felt more uncomfortable suppressing the story, simply because it didn't conform neatly to the feel-good vibe of Oudin's tournament run.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_wertheim/09/10/wickmayer.mailbag/index.html#ixzz0Ql70hYQT

drake3781
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:11 AM
I blame the mother and the coach. But in reality if a man see's a horny cougar interested he's going to hit it. I'm sorry but most men don't think in terms of protecting the child especially when it comes to sleeping with women. But you're right the coach is just as responsible as the mother. I do feel in every instance women have the control over whether they want to engage an affair or not but I feel Melanie's coach should have been fired immediately. There is simply no excuse for his conduct.


I agree with your post but to clarify, she must be about 10+ years younger than Brian, who I believe I read is in his early 50's.

To go against the mostly Puritans in this thread, anybody know the other dirt on this guy that is supposed to be out there? ;)

Apoleb
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:14 AM
so which one of you guys is Ted?

Jon, I read and very much enjoy your columns on tennis, but have to say that I was really disappointed to see your name attached to the article about Melanie Oudin's parents' divorce. That is a scum article not a tennis article. That has no place on a sports page....Does reporting on such a story really further the discourse about Oudin or the sport in general? I think your journalistic integrity took a breather here.
-- Ted, Chicago

• As Oudin's run picked up momentum during this tournament, I heard from several sources that there was some tension behind the scenes and it wasn't quite the tidy all-American story that it was being made out to be. Lots of rumor but nothing concrete. I decided to see if, in fact, the parents were divorcing, as I had been told. To confirm that did not require an investigative dragnet; all the information that we reported was a matter of public record.

Had the Oudins split for financial reasons or irreconcilable differences or any of a hundred other reasons, I agree that this may well have been a non-story. But that wasn't the case at all. John Oudin's allegations -- and as we made clear, they're only allegations -- made reference to Melanie and to her tennis career, to tournament travel and to her coach, whom she had recently described as being "like another father to me." Unpleasant and salacious as all this was, we considered it relevant to Oudin's story -- which obviously went well beyond forehands and backhands during this tournament. We kept witnessing her laser-like focus, but it took on a new dimension given her family situation. We kept hearing about the support from her box, but that too took on a new dimension. Melanie's coach received attention and credit during the tournament -- as well he should have -- but, for instance, his remarks about the Oudin family took on a new context given that he was cited by the father in his divorce legal papers for the breakup of his marriage.

One of you asked if I felt "uncomfortable" writing the story. The answer, frankly, is yes. There was no pleasure or sense of fun here. I would much rather review match stats than divorce filings. But I would have felt more uncomfortable suppressing the story, simply because it didn't conform neatly to the feel-good vibe of Oudin's tournament run.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_wertheim/09/10/wickmayer.mailbag/index.html#ixzz0Ql70hYQT

Disgusting piece of trash. I'm sure all the gossip lovers will swoon over this. It was very much his own decision to dig in the papers and publish the story.

Oh and I'm not Ted. :lol: