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Volcana
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:42 AM
It's 6-2 1-1 Wozniacki ight now, but the score isn't my point. These are two fairly evenly matched players, neither of them able to overpower the over. This is like fencing. Thrust, parry, moonball, slice, flat shot, lob, dropshot... it's not even halfway through the second set.


This isn't war. It's chess.


Mods, please leave this thread til the end of the match. View it as advertising. Every weekend warrior in the word could benefit by seeing the tennis being played here. It's like 1996 Hingis playing 2006 Hingis. It's not elite level tennis, but it's SO mental.


These are two players who have to work their way through a point and FIND success. Point after point after point. This is an instructional video.

Nicolás89
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:46 AM
Oudin's slice reminds me a lot of Graf's and that's something real nice to see.

Viktymise
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:48 AM
Lawl.

davidmario
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:50 AM
Oudin's slice reminds me a lot of Graf's and that's something real nice to see.

steffi's slice was far more agressive and she used it as an option to rush to the net.

davidmario
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:51 AM
now our believer starts her usual oudin rally and bash mode:hearts:

alec baldwin in the stands:)

Sean.
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:51 AM
For those of you who want something more entertaining:

u1VEY7ndKCs

delicatecutter
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:53 AM
This match is entertaining for the reason that Pushniacki's always are. I've never seen a player who has no desire to play aggressive tennis. She can't expect to win Slams playing like this? :help:

Infiniti2001
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:54 AM
For those of you who want something more entertaining:

u1VEY7ndKCs

:haha: :rolls:

Slampova
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:55 AM
Pushniacki's hit 5 winners :spit:
Oudin with 33 errors :lol:

Slampova
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:56 AM
For those of you who want something more entertaining:

u1VEY7ndKCs

:haha:

Apoleb
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:57 AM
This is partly enjoyable only because Oudin is trying to do so many different things to figure out how to break the pushing wall.

harloo
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:58 AM
For those of you who want something more entertaining:

u1VEY7ndKCs

:lol:

oleada
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:00 AM
Wozniacki has like 4 winners and is winning the match.

Really pathetic match so far.

delicatecutter
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:00 AM
This is partly enjoyable only because Oudin is trying to do so many different things to figure out how to break the pushing wall.

You have to hit through her, which sadly Oudin does not have the ability to do. Her only hope now is that Caro starts to think about the occasion. :sobbing:

Stamp Paid
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:01 AM
lol@Mary
'steady unremarkable tennis has been enough'
Mel has to think her way out of this one, Caro is unlike any opponent shes faced so far

davidmario
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:01 AM
For those of you who want something more entertaining:

u1VEY7ndKCs

:eek: go to 8:37!!

oleada
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:01 AM
Wozniacki is so, so dull. I understand different tastes and all but how can you possibly enjoy watching that?!

davidmario
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:03 AM
This match is entertaining for the reason that Pushniacki's always are. I've never seen a player who has no desire to play aggressive tennis. She can't expect to win Slams playing like this? :help:

her body will run out of gas by the mid 20ies.

Apoleb
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:04 AM
You have to hit through her, which sadly Oudin does not have the ability to do. Her only hope now is that Caro starts to think about the occasion. :sobbing:

She has to try to bring her in with some short slices. It worked when she did that.

moby
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:06 AM
You can't break down a wall's game. Mel's slices, dropshots, etc. are going to have very limited success, because Caro can bring back the ball over and over again off any shot. In fact, she seems to love to tee off the slice on the backhand side, which most power players struggle to do. Only firepower can break down Caro. The only non-power player who can take apart Caro is probably Martina Hingis.

Mel had 2 brilliant dropshots IIRC, but they were after she got Caro completely out of court and I don't know if she can do that on a consistent basis.

Daniela-Is-Mine
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:07 AM
This match is entertaining for the reason that Pushniacki's always are. I've never seen a player who has no desire to play aggressive tennis. She can't expect to win Slams playing like this? :help:

And shes about to make a GS final:rolleyes:
Or let THE GREAT YANINA WICKMAYER into one :o

oleada
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:07 AM
she can't deal with dropshots either, but I guess Melanei can't try them all the time.

Daniel K
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:08 AM
It is painfully bad.

tterb
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:08 AM
This is partly enjoyable only because Oudin is trying to do so many different things to figure out how to break the pushing wall.
Agreed. I'm hoping as she matures she'll be better able to handle this occasion. She's won some nice points, but just too inconsistent when she goes for the kill shot.

I'm not sure how anyone could watch Wozniacki and object to labeling her a pusher. Is her forehand the worst shot in the top 10? Outside of Elena's serve in the mid 2000's, I can't think of any more hideous shot from a top 10 player in recent years.

Svetlana)))
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:09 AM
Die Caroline Die

drake3781
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:10 AM
Ugh only saw one game so far and dullsville.

LoveFifteen
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:11 AM
Hingis played nothing like these pushers. Have you seen their tragic net games?!

Volcana
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:12 AM
Wozniacki has like 4 winners and is winning the match.

Really pathetic match so far.Good fucking God do you actually PLAY tennis?

Viktymise
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:21 AM
Good fucking God do you actually PLAY tennis?

Good fucking God, do you actually have eyes?

Volcana
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:25 AM
Wozniacki is so, so dull. I understand different tastes and all but how can you possibly enjoy watching that?!Because I, personally, am NOT Serena. I am NOT Roger Federer. I have to play tennis.

This tournament was the first time I got an extended look at Wozniacki. She has every shot my coach when I was thirteen told me I had to have. This match showed me what a slice can be FOR. Not to hit winners but to force the opponnent hit UP. Both players had to BUILD points in this match.

"BUILD' points. Get it? BUILD points

oleada
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:30 AM
Good fucking God, do you actually have eyes?

:spit:

spiritedenergy
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:30 AM
it was frustrating more than entartaining...Oudin tried pretty much everything but was making too many errors, Wozniacki was really pushing a lot today... just kept playing at the BH of Oudin until the error... Oudin was actually pretty good at setting up points, but after she hit an error instead of a winner...

Anayways great run Melanie:worship:

Caroline said she hopes to have won the hearts of the crowd...exactly how?:lol:

shell
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:32 AM
Because I, personally, am NOT Serena. I am NOT Roger Federer. I have to play tennis.

This tournament was the first time I got an extended look at Wozniacki. She has every shot my coach when I was thirteen told me I had to have. This match showed me what a slice can is FOR. Not to hit winner but to ake the opponnent hit UP. BOth players had to GUILD points in this match.

"BUILD' points. Get it? BUILD points

I think you are right in that it could teach US something about building or constructing points, because at our level we are hoping for errors (which, BTW, Melanie also handed out a bucket full). The objective of building points at the pro level is to actually then DO something. C Woz lacks in that arena. Which is why, for a pro level match, it was dullsville.

Volcana
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:33 AM
I got this piece of whiny, pissant, know-nothing post as a priavte messge. That's okay. I would be WAY too embarassed to make a post like thist public. It's like PROOF< that the person writing it is totally gutless.The only lame reason you're trying to justify Wozniacki horrific game is because you clearly no she's absolutely no threat whatsoever to Serena. Wozniacki is about as one-dimensional as any ballbasher. Do you have eyes? Yes I have eyes. More to the point, I have a work ethic. And I have enough imagination to realize that the top players ALL have BETTER work ethic. Including Wozniacki.

Forget the hype, and look at what happens on the court. Wozniacki is a shorter, slower, less powerful version .... . wait for it ..... Venus Williams.

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeak.

Now start at 2002, and think 'play defense til offense gives it up'

delicatecutter
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:33 AM
I played competitive tennis. I know how to build a point. Wozniacki does NOT build points. She just keeps the ball in play until her opponent hits an UE. It's an effective strategy, but it's not interesting or watchable tennis. When I play tennis, I like to build the point to where I get the shot I need to finish off the rally. That is what tennis is all about. To me, anyway.

Viktymise
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:36 AM
I got this piece of whiny, pissant, know-nothing post as a priavte messge. That's okay. I would be WAY too embarassed to make a post like thist public. It's like PROOF< that the person writing it is totally gutless.Yes Ihave eyes. More to the point, I have a work ethic. And I have enough imagination to realize that the top players ALL have BEETER work ethic.

Well I'm shamed alright. You and your coherance have certainly shamed me. :lol:

Apoleb
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:40 AM
Except the first couple of games, Wozniacki didn't "build" any points. Oudin had to do all the thinking and the building. She flattened, top-spinned, sliced, dropshotted, brought her to the net..etc. All Boreniacki did was hit the balls with her dreary top spin.

Volcana being his pretentious twitty self again. It seems like he does that for a living.

spiritedenergy
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:41 AM
I got this piece of whiny, pissant, know-nothing post as a priavte messge. That's okay. I would be WAY too embarassed to make a post like thist public. It's like PROOF< that the person writing it is totally gutless.Yes I have eyes. More to the point, I have a work ethic. And I have enough imagination to realize that the top players ALL have BETTER work ethic. Including Wozniacki.

Forget the hype, and look at what happens on the court. Wozniacki is a shorter, slower, less powerful version .... . wait for it ..... Venus Williams.

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeak.

Now start at 2002, and think 'play defense til offense gives it up'

:tape: nothing alike really, what have you been drinking?

V's a star
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:44 AM
It was so booooooooooring

Oudin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wozniacki

moby
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:45 AM
The idea of building points is to create opportunities. Caro does not create opportunities so much as she waits for opportunities to be gifted to her by a lapse from her opponent. I guess the longer the rally, the more likely you are to get a lapse from your opponent, so maybe one could argue that Caro is "creating" opportunities from a time-based probabilistic perspective. :lol:

Havok
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:30 AM
Wozniacki has a horrible forehand.:help:

So much spin but not because she's trying to hit a topspin cross court shot to pull her opponent off the court. She just lakcs the follow through to properly hit it so it ends up being a half moonball topspin piece of crap.

Donny
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:32 AM
I played competitive tennis. I know how to build a point. Wozniacki does NOT build points. She just keeps the ball in play until her opponent hits an UE. It's an effective strategy, but it's not interesting or watchable tennis. When I play tennis, I like to build the point to where I get the shot I need to finish off the rally. That is what tennis is all about. To me, anyway.

This.

slamchamp
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:34 AM
watever wozniacki did what she had to do..all these russians(maria:mad: ) play big hitting but failed to beat her..here comes caroline and finishes her 6-2 6-2:worship:

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:36 AM
Only firepower can break down Caro. The only non-power player who can take apart Caro is probably Martina Hingis.


And Jelena Jankovic :D

And probably peak Mauresmo.


~~~~~

I played competitive tennis. I know how to build a point. Wozniacki does NOT build points. She just keeps the ball in play until her opponent hits an UE. It's an effective strategy, but it's not interesting or watchable tennis. When I play tennis, I like to build the point to where I get the shot I need to finish off the rally. That is what tennis is all about. To me, anyway.

The idea of building points is to create opportunities. Caro does not create opportunities so much as she waits for opportunities to be gifted to her by a lapse from her opponent. I guess the longer the rally, the more likely you are to get a lapse from your opponent, so maybe one could argue that Caro is "creating" opportunities from a time-based probabilistic perspective. :lol:


Because I, personally, am NOT Serena. I am NOT Roger Federer. I have to play tennis.

This tournament was the first time I got an extended look at Wozniacki. She has every shot my coach when I was thirteen told me I had to have. This match showed me what a slice can be FOR. Not to hit winners but to force the opponnent hit UP. Both players had to BUILD points in this match.

"BUILD' points. Get it? BUILD points

I don't know. I'm somewhere in between the two ends here. Wozniacki does do a considerable amount of deep-ball pushing, but she also creates opportunities for herself. However, if we compare her to Hingis, Mauresmo, and even Jankovic, she doesn't create those opportunities as often.

Pennetta and Zvonareva, who are semi-power players, can construct points better than Wozniacki but they aren't as consistent.

kiwifan
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:37 AM
Good tennis for two, 50 year old men maybe or the over 35 ladies club championship. :haha:

If that is what people are looking for in the post-Serena era...:scared:

Donny
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:43 AM
My thoughts on the match: If Oudin had been just a little more consistent (esp. on break points) or just a bit more powerful with her shots, this match would have been a lot closer. What she ended up doing was a mix between the two, which isn't going to get it done against a human wall.

DragonFlame
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:49 AM
For the people who think Wozniacki had no clue what she had to do and just kept the ball in play, watch the match again please.

1. Now focus on where she's hitting her high topspin forehand, watch how she's constantly directing the rally's making oudin hit to her backhand. Which is her stronger side, and which she's setting up points with. She knew exactly what balls to play to send oudin into 'go for broke' mode.

2. Besides that, her backhand down the line was hurting oudin A LOT. Moving her around and getting that extra bit of time.

3. Caroline held it together mentally and showed smart play at the right times.

4. Another thing caroline did well, which dementieva, sharapova and petrova SUCKED at. RETURNING! Yes, returning. And now you might think WTF she hit them back in the middle of the court. Yes, she did. But watch her positioning during the recieving. She knew exactly where the serves were going to land and on the ad-side was staying more towards the middle and on the deuce side more towards the side. She knew Oudin was gonna focus on her forehand and she brought those serves consistently deep and high back in the middle of the court to help her strategy. Oudin hardly got free points off her serve in this match(making it more obvious for oudin to go for broke on the groundstrokes), which was very smart from caroline.

Ellen Dawson
Sep 10th, 2009, 08:43 AM
As I was watching I thought that there was no reason that either of them should double fault since the serve was meaningless in their match YET THEY BOTH DID. A few times. :rolleyes:

SM
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:13 PM
You can't break down a wall's game. Mel's slices, dropshots, etc. are going to have very limited success, because Caro can bring back the ball over and over again off any shot. In fact, she seems to love to tee off the slice on the backhand side, which most power players struggle to do. Only firepower can break down Caro. The only non-power player who can take apart Caro is probably Martina Hingis.

Mel had 2 brilliant dropshots IIRC, but they were after she got Caro completely out of court and I don't know if she can do that on a consistent basis.
Martina in her prime would CHOP Caroline 1 and 0....Martina's tennis was the epitome of being able to construct points and break down ANYONE's game, look at what she did to the wall that was Aranxta Sanchez or the power of Seles

mykarma
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:31 PM
For those of you who want something more entertaining:

u1VEY7ndKCs

Some things are better left unsaid. :lol:

Monica_Rules
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:38 PM
I enjoyed it. You see the thing when the ball stays in play for a few shots, thats called a rally people. Something many of the players on tour could do with learning.

madmax
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Sharapova and Petrova would have smoked this Oudin girl, if only they would be able to keep the ball in court....unfortunately Masha was too busy gifting her service games with countless DF's, and Nadia is...well, Nadia:lol: Oudin was lucky to encounter big hitters either low on confidence or too big of a headcases - Pushniacki didn't have to do much and Oudin's lack of power played into her hands.

terjw
Sep 10th, 2009, 12:50 PM
For the people who think Wozniacki had no clue what she had to do and just kept the ball in play, watch the match again please.

1. Now focus on where she's hitting her high topspin forehand, watch how she's constantly directing the rally's making oudin hit to her backhand. Which is her stronger side, and which she's setting up points with. She knew exactly what balls to play to send oudin into 'go for broke' mode.

2. Besides that, her backhand down the line was hurting oudin A LOT. Moving her around and getting that extra bit of time.

3. Caroline held it together mentally and showed smart play at the right times.

4. Another thing caroline did well, which dementieva, sharapova and petrova SUCKED at. RETURNING! Yes, returning. And now you might think WTF she hit them back in the middle of the court. Yes, she did. But watch her positioning during the recieving. She knew exactly where the serves were going to land and on the ad-side was staying more towards the middle and on the deuce side more towards the side. She knew Oudin was gonna focus on her forehand and she brought those serves consistently deep and high back in the middle of the court to help her strategy. Oudin hardly got free points off her serve in this match(making it more obvious for oudin to go for broke on the groundstrokes), which was very smart from caroline.

:worship::worship: Great post. Thanks for that.

I would like to add though that she was way more aggressive in the 1st set. When you said that BDTL was hurting Mel a lot - Caro didn't do it so much in the 2nd set where she was definitely more passive. But yes - throughout the match - she targetted Mel's backhand.

LoveFifteen
Sep 10th, 2009, 06:54 PM
But wait, Volcana is joking, right?

kiwifan
Sep 10th, 2009, 07:27 PM
Some things are better left unsaid. :lol:

I was going to make a "watching paint dry" joke yesterday but I was paranoid that someone beat me to it. ;)

My version was "and after the match was over, Volcana sprinted to the hardware store bought to different brands of paint and watched them to see which one dried first. Of course Volcana gave credit to the slower drying paint since Volcana, 'can't dry quickly in real life' (or some other tortured logic like that)"

Dodoboy.
Sep 10th, 2009, 07:29 PM
For the people who think Wozniacki had no clue what she had to do and just kept the ball in play, watch the match again please.

1. Now focus on where she's hitting her high topspin forehand, watch how she's constantly directing the rally's making oudin hit to her backhand. Which is her stronger side, and which she's setting up points with. She knew exactly what balls to play to send oudin into 'go for broke' mode.

2. Besides that, her backhand down the line was hurting oudin A LOT. Moving her around and getting that extra bit of time.

3. Caroline held it together mentally and showed smart play at the right times.

4. Another thing caroline did well, which dementieva, sharapova and petrova SUCKED at. RETURNING! Yes, returning. And now you might think WTF she hit them back in the middle of the court. Yes, she did. But watch her positioning during the recieving. She knew exactly where the serves were going to land and on the ad-side was staying more towards the middle and on the deuce side more towards the side. She knew Oudin was gonna focus on her forehand and she brought those serves consistently deep and high back in the middle of the court to help her strategy. Oudin hardly got free points off her serve in this match(making it more obvious for oudin to go for broke on the groundstrokes), which was very smart from caroline.

Great insight!

Sharapower
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:08 AM
But wait, Volcana is joking, right?
I don't think so. Volcana has a point that the match was very instructive on how to handle a match tactically at amateur level.
The problem, though, is precisely that at such professional level (GS QF) you wouldn't expect the girls to play like that: amateur-ish relatively to today's standards of the game.

Corswandt
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:05 AM
It's 6-2 1-1 Wozniacki ight now, but the score isn't my point. These are two fairly evenly matched players, neither of them able to overpower the over. This is like fencing. Thrust, parry, moonball, slice, flat shot, lob, dropshot... it's not even halfway through the second set.


This isn't war. It's chess.


Mods, please leave this thread til the end of the match. View it as advertising. Every weekend warrior in the word could benefit by seeing the tennis being played here. It's like 1996 Hingis playing 2006 Hingis. It's not elite level tennis, but it's SO mental.


These are two players who have to work their way through a point and FIND success. Point after point after point. This is an instructional video.

:rolls:

Corswandt
Sep 11th, 2009, 10:06 AM
For the people who think Wozniacki had no clue what she had to do and just kept the ball in play, watch the match again please.

1. Now focus on where she's hitting her high topspin forehand, watch how she's constantly directing the rally's making oudin hit to her backhand. Which is her stronger side, and which she's setting up points with. She knew exactly what balls to play to send oudin into 'go for broke' mode.

2. Besides that, her backhand down the line was hurting oudin A LOT. Moving her around and getting that extra bit of time.

3. Caroline held it together mentally and showed smart play at the right times.

4. Another thing caroline did well, which dementieva, sharapova and petrova SUCKED at. RETURNING! Yes, returning. And now you might think WTF she hit them back in the middle of the court. Yes, she did. But watch her positioning during the recieving. She knew exactly where the serves were going to land and on the ad-side was staying more towards the middle and on the deuce side more towards the side. She knew Oudin was gonna focus on her forehand and she brought those serves consistently deep and high back in the middle of the court to help her strategy. Oudin hardly got free points off her serve in this match(making it more obvious for oudin to go for broke on the groundstrokes), which was very smart from caroline.

:rolls: