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LightWarrior
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:21 AM
I cannot believe she said that, right after her 2nd round match, so funny, priceless :

Q. Kim Clijsters said yesterday that about the No. 1 issue she said, I hope Dinara is not letting it bother her or not thinking about it. I was in the same situation and I was No. 1 and hadn't won a Grand Slam. Is it something that enters your mind at all?
DINARA SAFINA: As I said before, when she she was in the same situation as I am, you know. But nobody will take it away from me. There are so many players who won a Grand Slam and where they are now? Nowhere. Some of the players you don't even know that they won a Grand Slam. You look and say like, Oh, my gosh, she won.
But No. 1 will always stay there. The people will remember you by No. 1, not by winning a Grand Slam.

Seriously this girl needs to defend herself better than that to be credible.

goldenslam888
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:24 AM
actually, she is right. except that she needs to add a "year-end" in front of that #1.

WowWow
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:25 AM
Wonder why does she show up at the slams in the first place, if they're not all that important lol

spiritedenergy
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:29 AM
delusional watch! :help:

youizahoe
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:33 AM
LOL you are remembered for both. The slams actually should indicate the rank, cause everyone dreams about getting a slam first and then the number 1 rank.

joz
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:37 AM
Yep... she needs a new coach or she needs to retire... her style of going for broke on every point is always going to disappoint the tennis world because the errors will dominate in many matches.
I will say though, that we've had fewer #1 players in WTA than we've had GS winners in WTA.

joz
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:39 AM
LOL you are remembered for both. The slams actually should indicate the rank, cause everyone dreams about getting a slam first and then the number 1 rank.

The slams have too many players that are weak and should be narrowed to one week with the best 32 players... maybe even round-robin to get to quarters or something... and then give a day of rest... and have quarters, semis and finals.

LightWarrior
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:40 AM
DINARA SAFINA: "There are so many players who won a Grand Slam and where they are now? "

Retired ? :help:

LeonHart
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:42 AM
Well she is partly right. If you're not a multi-slam winner you'll probably be forgotten by the next generation.

WowWow
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:43 AM
There are so many players who won a Grand Slam and where they are now?
At number 2:lol:

joz
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:43 AM
Retired ? :help:
Ana's not reitred... and while she's won a slam... I'd argue til next year that she's the worst #1 ever.

Clumsythief
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:46 AM
We will probably remember her as one of the worst #1 and that hasn't won a GS. God I hate her.

joz
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:46 AM
Well she is partly right. If you're not a multi-slam winner you'll probably be forgotten by the next generation.
Good point... Sveta has two slams... and I love her and think she clearly has some of the best skills in the game... if not the best.
But I know, and hear it from my friends often, that she is not attractive to the marketing world, and will probably be less remembered than players who achieve less than she does.

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:47 AM
Well she is partly right. If you're not a multi-slam winner you'll probably be forgotten by the next generation.

Nonsense. At the WORST you'll be remembered as a one slam wonder.

Tennisstar86
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:47 AM
Well she is partly right. If you're not a multi-slam winner you'll probably be forgotten by the next generation.

the same will be for her if she doesnt get a slam... lets not kid ourselves......

People remember that Martina won 5 slams not how long she was #1.....
People remember Amelie won 2 slams not that she was #1
People remember that Venus has 7 slams and most are shocked (who didnt know beforehand unless told) that she only spent 11 weeks at number 1...

I heard this, and Dinara is deluding herself if she thinks she gonna be remember for anything if she doesnt get a slam....

LightWarrior
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:49 AM
Ana's not reitred... and while she's won a slam... I'd argue til next year that she's the worst #1 ever.

Oh please, I couldn't help. Ana is not retired, Kim just came out of retirement. So basically while being stupid Safina is indirectly slamming both. Nice, very nice of her...

joz
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:50 AM
We will probably remember her as one of the worst #1 and that hasn't won a GS. God I hate her.
If by "her" you mean Safina... I hate the fact that she goes for broke on almost every point... It's downright annoying.
That said... I thought after she lost sets in her last two matches that she would go on and win. She gets enough of those "go for broke shots" in... that it puts pressure on the lesser opponents she's been playing. On both matches I thought, that girl is not going to be able to keep up with the pace... and as it turne dout Safina won.
But, when she plays a player like V. Williams... that "go for broke" attitude is not going to be enough... because Safina is not that accurate. She tries that style and Vee just sahs F U... that doesn't bother me... I'm going to kick your A.

joz
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:52 AM
Oh please, I couldn't help. Ana is not retired, Kim just came out of retirement. So basically while being stupid Safina is indirectly slamming both. Nice, very nice of her...
Good point... and probably Momo too.

Clumsythief
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:53 AM
In 20 years, I would still remember that Iva Majoli as a GS winner and Safina as Marat Safin's sister.

mdterp01
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:54 AM
DINARA SAFINA: As I said before, when she she was in the same situation as I am, you know. But nobody will take it away from me. There are so many players who won a Grand Slam and where they are now?
At number 2:lol:

:lol: :haha:

Kovalchuk
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:59 AM
she's right, like i can always remember Marcelo Rios.

but if i had a choice, i would rather be Novotna, Myskina or Majoli, not a laughing stock No.1

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:59 AM
Twenty years from now, we're not going to remember the particulars about ANYONE'S career. The beautiful thing is that we don't have to because it's all written down, and thanks to the Internet, it's easier to look stuff up.

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:01 AM
Twenty years from now, we're not going to remember the particulars about ANYONE'S career. The beautiful thing is that we don't have to because it's all written down, and thanks to the Internet, it's easier to look stuff up.

Says who? I'm a statistics nut. Not in tennis, but still. I keep track of numbers going back a long while.

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:02 AM
she's right, like i can always remember Marcelo Rios.

but if i had a choice, i would rather be Novotna, Myskina or Majoli, not a laughing stock No.1
No, you wouldn't. You'd rather be piling up those bonus checks from your racquet and clothing sponsors for each week at #1, just like Safina is now.

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:04 AM
Says who? I'm a statistics nut. Not in tennis, but still. I keep track of numbers going back a long while.
What sport are we discussing here, Donny?

joz
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:05 AM
In 20 years, I would still remember that Iva Majoli as a GS winner and Safina as Marat Safin's sister.
I would remember Iva winning too. I might not remember, in 20 years, how many slams Vee, Kim, Justine, Serena, Martina H., Martina N., Billie Jean, Maria, Momo, or any of the others actually won.
I would remember the 22 by Graf and Court.. and 18& 17 by Navritolva and Evert respectively, but now that I think about it... I'm not sure those numbers are correct. Other than that I wouldn't remember how many of the players won in 20 years. I probably would remember those that won one GS only.

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:06 AM
What sport are we discussing here, Donny?

You're saying someone like AnnaK doesn't remember details like slams won, etc. from twenty years ago? There's number cruncher fans for every sport.

SharapovaFTW
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:09 AM
Like Marat said "WHO CARES?!"

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:10 AM
Like Marat said "WHO CARES?!"

People who posted in this thread.

le bon vivant
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:10 AM
I want her to lose soon. :lol:

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:11 AM
:lol:

What do we expect her say. Hell, if I was in her position, I might say the same thing.

She's #1. She's not the best player. EVERYBODY knows that. If everybody didn't know that, it wouldn't be being talked about as much as it is everywhere.

I say, let her have the friggin' #1. It means nothing if you're not acknowledged as the best.

LightWarrior
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:11 AM
I would remember the 22 by Graf and Court.. and 18& 17 by Navritolva and Evert respectively,

Navratilova & Evert are both tied at 18.:)

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:12 AM
You're saying someone like AnnaK doesn't remember details like slams won, etc. from twenty years ago? There's number cruncher fans for every sport.
People on this thread are saying that "_________ will be remembered for __________," as if that means anything. Dinara Safina's fans will remember her for however weeks she spends at #1; her critics will remember her for being #1 and not winning a major. We all remember what we choose to remember, and how I remember a player is no better or worse than how you remember the same player.

jefrilibra
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:13 AM
OMG someone plz call the wambulance.
This girl has gone mad. :help:

-jenks-
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:14 AM
She's actually right. I know all the players who have ever been number one, but I'm sure there are lots of grand slam winners i've never heard of. I think it's better for someone to hold the number one ranking for as long as she has than to win just one grandslam and do nothing else your entire career.

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:15 AM
People on this thread are saying that "_________ will be remembered for __________," as if that means anything. Dinara Safina's fans will remember her for however weeks she spends at #1; her critics will remember her for being #1 and not winning a major. We all remember what we choose to remember, and how I remember a player is no better or worse than how you remember the same player.

You're being disingenuous.

Every player has a legacy; that is, the way in which the media, historians, the majority of fans, et al choose to view their career. If Safina is to remain slamless, it will affect how people reflect upon her in the future.

Kovalchuk
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:15 AM
No, you wouldn't. You'd rather be piling up those bonus checks from your racquet and clothing sponsors for each week at #1, just like Safina is now.

you're probably right, but i don't have the talent and patience to talk back everytime journalists mention about this issue. i would buy a shotgun blowing off those reporters or even myself.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:16 AM
she's right, like i can always remember Marcelo Rios.


Rios played an enjoyable tennis , He will be remembered for that at leat

The problem of Rios is that he was number one , with another lower highest ranking we all talk about his shotmaking skills and imaginative game

AcesHigh
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:23 AM
Hmm... I disagree with Dinara. I'm not sure if people will remember Jelena Jankovic was #1 or Ana Ivanovic.

However, there are some slam winners people will forget. Iva Majoli, Barbara Jordan, Anastasia Myskina, Thomas Johansson, Gaston Gaudio, Guillermo Coria(he won, right?), etc.

Getting to #1 usually requires consistent success, a certain number of titles, and usually signals some kind of longevity. Not really true in the current state of the WTA, but it used to be true for both tours.

Nevertheless, Dinara has to defend herself and stick up for her position. Everyone is beating down on her, what do you expect her to say and believe?

AcesHigh
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:24 AM
Btw, people are talking about Dinara so much now that there is no way she will be forgotten anytime soon. We'll forget about the Myskina's, Kuznetsova's, etc. much sooner than we'll forget about Safina.

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:25 AM
You're being disingenuous.

Every player has a legacy; that is, the way in which the media, historians, the majority of fans, et al choose to view their career. If Safina is to remain slamless, it will affect how people reflect upon her in the future.
Donny, I know people who dislike certain players simply because he or she stiffed them for an autograph. Our perceptions often distort the facts of an athlete's career. We may not like what happened or who did it, but it doesn't change the fact that it happened.

joz
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:26 AM
Navratilova & Evert are both tied at 18.:)
Hey Thanks!!! And great photo!
This does though prove the point. I did not remember it that way.
The fact is... in 20 years... who knows what we'll remember.

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:28 AM
Hmm... I disagree with Dinara. I'm not sure if people will remember Jelena Jankovic was #1 or Ana Ivanovic.

However, there are some slam winners people will forget. Iva Majoli, Barbara Jordan, Anastasia Myskina, Thomas Johansson, Gaston Gaudio, Guillermo Coria(he won, right?), etc.

Getting to #1 usually requires consistent success, a certain number of titles, and usually signals some kind of longevity. Not really true in the current state of the WTA, but it used to be true for both tours.

Nevertheless, Dinara has to defend herself and stick up for her position. Everyone is beating down on her, what do you expect her to say and believe?
Actually, Coria will probably be most remembered for his epic choke job against Gaudio in the 2004 Roland Garros final. Dude never recovered from that.

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:29 AM
Donny, I know people who dislike certain players simply because he or she stiffed them for an autograph. Our perceptions often distort the facts of an athlete's career. We may not like what happened or who did it, but it doesn't change the fact that it happened.

History is nothing but subjective recollection of past events. This goes for everything, not just sports. But to pretend as if the subjectivity doesn't matter is folly.

Brooks.
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:29 AM
She's an idiot. Seriously, is that the best you can come up with? Nobody likes you, Dinara. And you'll go down as the worst number 1 player to have ever played the game. Keep racking up those weeks @ #1. It only makes you look worse, imo. :tape:

She's completely delusional.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Hmm... I disagree with Dinara. I'm not sure if people will remember Jelena Jankovic was #1 or Ana Ivanovic.

However, there are some slam winners people will forget. Iva Majoli, Barbara Jordan, Anastasia Myskina, Thomas Johansson, Gaston Gaudio, Guillermo Coria(he won, right?), etc.

Getting to #1 usually requires consistent success, a certain number of titles, and usually signals some kind of longevity. Not really true in the current state of the WTA, but it used to be true for both tours.

Nevertheless, Dinara has to defend herself and stick up for her position. Everyone is beating down on her, what do you expect her to say and believe?

Real tennis lover will remember Gaudio forever

One of the most talented player in ever pick up a tennis racquet

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:32 AM
Hmm... I disagree with Dinara. I'm not sure if people will remember Jelena Jankovic was #1 or Ana Ivanovic.

However, there are some slam winners people will forget. Iva Majoli, Barbara Jordan, Anastasia Myskina, Thomas Johansson, Gaston Gaudio, Guillermo Coria(he won, right?), etc.

Getting to #1 usually requires consistent success, a certain number of titles, and usually signals some kind of longevity. Not really true in the current state of the WTA, but it used to be true for both tours.

Nevertheless, Dinara has to defend herself and stick up for her position. Everyone is beating down on her, what do you expect her to say and believe?

One could say the same of Serena. She believes herself to be the best. Why SHOULDN'T she say she deserves the number one spot? Yet certain posters *ahem* criticize her for those kind of remarks.

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:32 AM
Real tennis lover will remember Gaudio forever

One of the most talented player in ever pick up a tennis racquet

The talent was especially visible when he got double bagelled by Federer...

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:32 AM
whichdrug is she on that made her so deluded :lol:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:34 AM
The talent was especially visible when he got double bagelled by Federer...

In that case Frauderer is not talented either

Check out the RG 08 Final videos

faboozadoo15
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:34 AM
the same will be for her if she doesnt get a slam... lets not kid ourselves......

People remember that Martina won 5 slams not how long she was #1.....
People remember Amelie won 2 slams not that she was #1
People remember that Venus has 7 slams and most are shocked (who didnt know beforehand unless told) that she only spent 11 weeks at number 1...

I heard this, and Dinara is deluding herself if she thinks she gonna be remember for anything if she doesnt get a slam....

You are so WRONG.

When Martina and Amelie are announced or introduced, they are remembered as a former world #1. It's like being known as world champion.

All the #1's are memorable. The same cannot be said for all the winners of majors.

Brooks.
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:36 AM
And can one of her like 3 fans answer me this...if she claims it's sooooo easy to win a slam, then why the hell can't she do it?

It really brings the LOL's when you hear delusional people make shit up to justify themselves. Whatever helps you sleep at night, Dinara.

faboozadoo15
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:36 AM
In 20 years, I would still remember that Iva Majoli as a GS winner and Safina as Marat Safin's sister.

That's a bold faced lie....

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:38 AM
You are so WRONG.

When Martina and Amelie are announced, introduced, remembered, they are remembered as a former world #1. It's like being knows as world champion.

All the #1's are memorable. The same cannot be said for all the winners of majors.

That's because, the majority of the time, number ones are slam winners, and the undisputed best in the world at the time.

Do you think casual fans are going to remember Jankovic's reign at number one twenty years from now?

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:39 AM
In that case Frauderer is not talented either

Check out the RG 08 Final videos

I'm not particularly a fan of Fed. I've no trouble acknowledging he got his lunch eaten by Nadal that day.

AcesHigh
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:42 AM
One could say the same of Serena. She believes herself to be the best. Why SHOULDN'T she say she deserves the number one spot? Yet certain posters *ahem* criticize her for those kind of remarks.

:lol: Completely different things. When Serena says she believes she's the best.. I have NO problem whatsoever. It's her comments that are demeaning to others, demeaning to tour events that I have a problem.

And Serena's first(and only I believe) language is English. Dinara's English isn't so great... and if she actually meant that slam winners aren't remembered, then she's dead wrong and completely delusional.

Sam L
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:50 AM
This girl has lost her mind. :help:

goldenslam888
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:55 AM
That's because, the majority of the time, number ones are slam winners, and the undisputed best in the world at the time.

Do you think casual fans are going to remember Jankovic's reign at number one twenty years from now?

would the causal fan remember jj more if she were a one slam wonder?

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:58 AM
History is nothing but subjective recollection of past events. This goes for everything, not just sports. But to pretend as if the subjectivity doesn't matter is folly.
OK, so I'm a fool. :shrug:

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:00 AM
That's because, the majority of the time, number ones are slam winners, and the undisputed best in the world at the time.

Do you think casual fans are going to remember Jankovic's reign at number one twenty years from now?
No, because they wouldn't be casual fans if they did. Besides, as I stated earlier, they don't have to, because facts and figures are easier to look up nowadays.

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:03 AM
OK, so I'm a fool. :shrug:

You don't believe in the concept of a legacy?

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:03 AM
One could say the same of Serena. She believes herself to be the best. Why SHOULDN'T she say she deserves the number one spot? Yet certain posters *ahem* criticize her for those kind of remarks.
So what if they do?

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:06 AM
So what if they do?

I make a post about it. As evidenced by my.... making a post about it.

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:14 AM
You don't believe in the concept of a legacy?
I'm saying we all remember what we choose to remember. Period.

Dunlop1
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:15 AM
Real tennis lover will remember Gaudio forever

One of the most talented player in ever pick up a tennis racquet

Federer gives Gaudio 2 bagels for breakfast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwreJJgeYIg)

:tape:

darrinbaker00
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:19 AM
Real tennis lover will remember Gaudio forever

One of the most talented player in ever pick up a tennis racquet from Argentina that got caught doping.
There. I fixed it for you.

mandy7
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:23 AM
I can't believe how much hate this girl gets to deal with, just for being the most consistent player on tour
she wins tourneys, she doesn't lose in early rounds often, she goes deep in slams..
how dare she! how dare she win so many matches, and how dare they give her points for that.

and no wonder she makes comments like this every once in a while
i'd get fed up with the bullshit too, and when you respind to it, in a language that's not your own, sometimes things come out, sounding kinda wrong.. big deal

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:24 AM
Federer gives Gaudio 2 bagels for breakfast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwreJJgeYIg)

:tape:

So what ??

I prefer a match of Gaudio over a match of Federer any day . I find him a more interesting player

Dunlop1
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:27 AM
So what ??

I prefer a match of Gaudio over a match of Federer any day . I find him a more interesting player

lol... to each their own I guess.

Volcana
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:29 AM
The people will remember you by No. 1, not by winning a Grand Slam.Up until recently, that was .... well, the players who were ranked #1 at one time or anothe all had careers that ended with multiple slam titles until Clijsters, I think. And of course, her career is no longer at an end.

But now, we actually have TWO players who have been ranked #1 without ever winning a slam. And another two who only won one slam, and held the #1 ranking. That actually tends to de-value the #1 ranking. List here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WTA_number_1_ranked_players).

I don't know how or why, but recently, the #1 ranking has been held by quite a few players who aren't good at winning slams. Here is a list of all the players ranked #1 by the computer since computerized rankings began in 1975. (Hence the absence of King and Court.) I am going to list them by number of slam singles titles won.

22 Graf
18 Navratilova
18 Evert
11 Serena
9 Seles
7 Venus
7 Henin
7 Goolagong Cawley
5 Hingis
4 Sánchez Vicario
3 Davenport
3 Capriati
3 Sharapova
2 Mauresmo
2 Austin
1 Clijsters
1 Ivanović
0 Safina
0 Janković
And yet their are multiple slam winners who never got the #1 ranking
4 Mandlikova
3 Wade
2 Pierce
Except for the injury plagued Tracy Austin, every #1 before Clijsters won at least THREE slams.




If Dinara Safina needs to believe accomplishments are on a par with Iva Majoli or Anastasia Myskina, more power to her. If she really thinks people remember Justine Henin of Monica Seles for holding the #1 ranking, she's delusional.

Brooks.
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:35 AM
You're delusional, you're delusional. Girl, you're losing your mind. It's confusing yo. You're confused, you know. Why you wasting our time?

thegreendestiny
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:36 AM
If that's her mentality, Sharapova surely will crush her in the semis if they meet.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:41 AM
:lol: Completely different things. When Serena says she believes she's the best.. I have NO problem whatsoever. It's her comments that are demeaning to others, demeaning to tour events that I have a problem.

And Serena's first(and only I believe) language is English. Dinara's English isn't so great... and if she actually meant that slam winners aren't remembered, then she's dead wrong and completely delusional.

really...that's the best excuse you can come with???:lol: as far as i recall dinara speaks many languages, english being one of them...i find it hard to believe that after all these years of speaking english she wouldn't mean it when she says "#1 players are remembered but not gs winners"...you can't get more obvious than that...but again you race to defend everyone but tear down serena :lol: typical aces

LoLiTa08
Sep 4th, 2009, 06:01 AM
I feel sorry for her cause she is pushed to talk about it , she IS no 1 .

Golovinjured.
Sep 4th, 2009, 06:07 AM
Well, she won't be remembered for winning slams. :lol:

pierce85
Sep 4th, 2009, 06:12 AM
what the hell do you expect her to say idiots??she's just a 23 year old girl who is probably feeling like shit because all the freaking morons accuse her constantly.she is a fucking human being,maybe this is the best she can play,have you wondered that?she is doing the best she can... the same can't be said about the uneducated,pathetic human beings that exist in this forum and live through the misery of others...i seriously pity your pathetic existence and the hatred you have in your heart...off to spread some badreps

goldenslam888
Sep 4th, 2009, 06:18 AM
Up until recently, that was .... well, the players who were ranked #1 at one time or anothe all had careers that ended with multiple slam titles until Clijsters, I think. And of course, her career is no longer at an end.

But now, we actually have TWO players who have been ranked #1 without ever winning a slam. And another two who only won one slam, and held the #1 ranking. That actually tends to de-value the #1 ranking. List here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WTA_number_1_ranked_players).

I don't know how or why, but recently, the #1 ranking has been held by quite a few players who aren't good at winning slams. Here is a list of all the players ranked #1 by the computer since computerized rankings began in 1975. (Hence the absence of King and Court.) I am going to list them by number of slam singles titles won.

22 Graf
18 Navratilova
18 Evert
11 Serena
9 Seles
7 Venus
7 Henin
7 Goolagong Cawley
5 Hingis
4 Sánchez Vicario
3 Davenport
3 Capriati
3 Sharapova
2 Mauresmo
2 Austin
1 Clijsters
1 Ivanović
0 Safina
0 Janković
And yet their are multiple slam winners who never got the #1 ranking
4 Mandlikova
3 Wade
2 Pierce
Except for the injury plagued Tracy Austin, every #1 before Clijsters won at least THREE slams.




If Dinara Safina needs to believe accomplishments are on a par with Iva Majoli or Anastasia Myskina, more power to her. If she really thinks people remember Justine Henin of Monica Seles for holding the #1 ranking, she's delusional.



oh so, safina at 23, has improved her ranking 17 places to #1 since 2007, made 3 slam finals. but shes a failure. lol.

this whole thread is stupid.

serena ought to just get off her lazy a**, and win some non-slam tour events.

networthy
Sep 4th, 2009, 07:15 AM
The people will remember you by No. 1, not by winning a Grand Slam.

Well, each and every week the WTA's "Notes and Netcords" newsletter lists the number of weeks spent at #1 by any player but it never lists the number of GS tournaments won. :)

Black Mamba.
Sep 4th, 2009, 07:59 AM
As a WS fan I honestly believe that Safina deserves the #1 ranking period. She has been the most consistent and Serena hasn't done enough in non grand slam events to warrant being #1. With that said, I'm perfectly content with the rankings as they are because when you're a top 5 player you usually get a good draw and by the time you reach the semis and the finals the rankings don't mean a thing because you have to beat really good players to win no matter where you're ranked.

To be perfectly honest, I think this entire rankings issue is really being blown out of proportion.

DS.Fan.
Sep 4th, 2009, 08:25 AM
If someone was Dina,maybe you start scolding!Why people bash her like that!She is a common girl
!She didn't owe others!She has no reasons to live under the hates and criticisms!You all know she has no great talent like her brother and other player,she already try her best!
Leave her along Pls:(

Joe.
Sep 4th, 2009, 08:31 AM
dinara to win US Open, just so everyone can stop slagging her off :rolleyes:

Joe.
Sep 4th, 2009, 08:33 AM
and for those of u who think dinara is the worst number one ever, i have just one word to say to you...

JANKOVIC.

Renalicious
Sep 4th, 2009, 08:39 AM
She's right I guess. Like when Kuznetsova won her slam in 04 and before she won RG this year, I always forgot that she won a slam. :shrug:

C. Drone
Sep 4th, 2009, 09:04 AM
i'm pretty sure half of the world thinks Anna Kournikova is a great champion. but who cares?


If someone was Dina,maybe you start scolding!Why people bash her like that!She is a common girl
!She didn't owe others!She has no reasons to live under the hates and criticisms!You all know she has no great talent like her brother and other player,she already try her best!
Leave her along Pls:(

little girls shouldn't be allowed to read GM...

pierce85
Sep 4th, 2009, 09:10 AM
i'm pretty sure half of the world thinks Anna Kournikova is a great champion. but who cares?




little girls shouldn't be allowed to read GM...

are you sure???i thought half of the posters here were mentally underage.should we ban all these trolls too??

jade001
Sep 4th, 2009, 09:20 AM
Delusional, as usual. But with the way she is playing, she can only be delusional.

Matt01
Sep 4th, 2009, 09:31 AM
The slams have too many players that are weak and should be narrowed to one week with the best 32 players... maybe even round-robin to get to quarters or something... and then give a day of rest... and have quarters, semis and finals.

Yep... she needs a new coach or she needs to retire...


I see Safina is not the only one who is talking out of her a**.

terjw
Sep 4th, 2009, 09:33 AM
She's partially right. Fewer players have reached #1 than won a slam - so it is harder (slightly).

But there's a lot of nonsense talked about what you will be remembered by and what people will care or remember. Just who are these people remembering anything at all about women's tennis anyway. Avid women's tennis fans - like on these boards - will remember and know who was #1, slam winners etc etc. They won't suddenly forget.

Most others couldn't care less about women's tennis and won't know let alone remember who #1 is or even who won each grand slam this year. And they won't know who many of the past #1's or slam winners were.

And if you need to find how many slams, titles or weeks at #1 a past player has - it's all recorded and so easy to find by anyone just by googling the player's name.

Matt01
Sep 4th, 2009, 09:50 AM
You're delusional, you're delusional. Girl, you're losing your mind. It's confusing yo. You're confused, you know. Why you wasting our time?


And why are YOU wasting OUR time? :weirdo:

Slutiana
Sep 4th, 2009, 10:54 AM
I cannot believe she said that, right after her 2nd round match, so funny, priceless :

Q. Kim Clijsters said yesterday that about the No. 1 issue she said, I hope Dinara is not letting it bother her or not thinking about it. I was in the same situation and I was No. 1 and hadn't won a Grand Slam. Is it something that enters your mind at all?
DINARA SAFINA: As I said before, when she she was in the same situation as I am, you know. But nobody will take it away from me. There are so many players who won a Grand Slam and where they are now? Nowhere. Some of the players you don't even know that they won a Grand Slam. You look and say like, Oh, my gosh, she won.
But No. 1 will always stay there. The people will remember you by No. 1, not by winning a Grand Slam.

Seriously this girl needs to defend herself better than that to be credible.
:spit: :crying2: Deary me.
I want her to lose soon. :lol:
Don't we all? :lol:
You're delusional, you're delusional. Girl, you're losing your mind. It's confusing yo. You're confused, you know. Why you wasting our time?
That song came to my head as soon as I read that quote. :crying2:

Emina.
Sep 4th, 2009, 10:55 AM
Lol

Dodoboy.
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:01 AM
I can't believe how much hate this girl gets to deal with, just for being the most consistent player on tour
she wins tourneys, she doesn't lose in early rounds often, she goes deep in slams..
how dare she! how dare she win so many matches, and how dare they give her points for that.

and no wonder she makes comments like this every once in a while
i'd get fed up with the bullshit too, and when you respind to it, in a language that's not your own, sometimes things come out, sounding kinda wrong.. big deal

She can win as many matches as she likes :shrug: It's HOW she's winning them, i and many others have a problem with.

Caralenko
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:05 AM
Don't we all? :lol:


1) Her 5 fans don't :rolleyes:

2) The thread that has gone to multiple pages about rooting for her is still growing :wavey:

mandy7
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:07 AM
She can win as many matches as she likes :shrug: It's HOW she's winning them, i and many others have a problem with.
If she plays like crap, and other still can't beat her, that is not her fault.
Even the best football teams don't win cups unless they win their bad matches too.
It's always been that way, you gotta win the shit matches too if you wanna go places.
Don't be mad at the person who wins a lot of matches and becomes number one, be disappointed in the ppl that can not seem to beat her, no matter how 'terrible' she is.

Galsen
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:13 AM
If she plays like crap, and other still can't beat her, that is not her fault.
Even the best football teams don't win cups unless they win their bad matches too.
It's always been that way, you gotta win the shit matches too if you wanna go places.
Don't be mad at the person who wins a lot of matches and becomes number one, be disappointed in the ppl that can not seem to beat her, no matter how 'terrible' she is.

I answer to your other post
she lost I don't know how many maybe 3 or 4 matches in early rounds this year on clay of course she was playing great until Azarenka @RG .
she is so lucky in slams . look at Dementieva and Jankovic their draw was really tough and if Safina had play Jelena's opponent or Melanie Oudin she would have been out in straight set

markedman
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:20 AM
Some comments on here are shameful. Bashing somebody who you know will not be able to reply to your hate filled bile. It is not Safina's fault she is currently #1. It is not the WTA's fault nor a fault of the ranking system. If people cannot beat her when she plays terribly, which is not all of the time, and if others cannot be bothered to play more tournaments, or when they do, lose in the early rounds that again is not Safina's fault. I think her comment about #1 and GS winners was ill judged, but there is no need for such nasty comments of the like I have read. If you disagree with her, like I do, then try to say so in a civil manner, thank you.

terjw
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:22 AM
If she plays like crap, and other still can't beat her, that is not her fault.
Even the best football teams don't win cups unless they win their bad matches too.
It's always been that way, you gotta win the shit matches too if you wanna go places.
Don't be mad at the person who wins a lot of matches and becomes number one, be disappointed in the ppl that can not seem to beat her, no matter how 'terrible' she is.

Exactly - they say the mark of a champion in any sport is to find a way to win when playing badly and your "A" game has deserted you. In fact the easiest part is winning when playing light's out which gets the credit and the hardest part of getting these ugly wins which gets the derision.

mandy7
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:23 AM
I answer to your other post
she lost I don't know how many maybe 3 or 4 matches in early rounds this year on clay of course she was playing great until Azarenka @RG .
so far her results have been final, final, 3rd round, quarter, 3rd round, final, winner, winner, final, semi, semi, winner, 3rd round, final, 2nd round
that is just extremely decent!
she is so lucky in slams . look at Dementieva and Jankovic their draw was really tough and if Safina had play Jelena's opponent or Melanie Oudin she would have been out in straight set
you don't know that. no one does. maybe she would have lost, but there's no sure way of telling. and we can't just go assume who'll lose to who. cause if that was the case, you might as well hand out cups at the start of a tourney

LCS
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:24 AM
She actually has a point. Does anyone talk about Hana Mandlikova, Novotna, Myskina or even Pierce? Not really, It's always Seles, Graf, Navratilova, Evert and the Williamses.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:25 AM
:lol: :lol: So because she cannot win a slam, she decided to insult players like Svetlana, Pierce, Sabatini,Myskina, Mandlikova etc. instead.

mandy7
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:26 AM
:lol: :lol: So because she cannot win a slam, she decided to insult players like Svetlana, Pierce, Sabatini,Myskina, Mandlikova etc. instead.
I doubt that is how she meant it.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:28 AM
I doubt that is how she meant it.

Well, she said it so she meant it. When those players (like Gaby, Sveta, Mary, etc.) read this, what they will se Safina saying is ' Look where I am with my Number 1 ranking, and look where you guys are with your Grandslam' (followed by the hand motion that Nicole did to Lucie)

Caralenko
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:29 AM
:lol: :lol: So because she cannot win a slam, she decided to insult players like Svetlana, Pierce, Sabatini,Myskina, Mandlikova etc. instead.

It was hardly an insult. People have just been twisting a simple statement to play the victim ;)

mandy7
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:34 AM
Well, she said it so she meant it. When those players (like Gaby, Sveta, Mary, etc.) read this, what they will se Safina saying is ' Look where I am with my Number 1 ranking, and look where you guys are with your Grandslam' (followed by the hand motion that Nicole did to Lucie)
I doubt they'll read into it like that. I'm sure they know better.

Tennisstar86
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:34 AM
Up until recently, that was .... well, the players who were ranked #1 at one time or anothe all had careers that ended with multiple slam titles until Clijsters, I think. And of course, her career is no longer at an end.

But now, we actually have TWO players who have been ranked #1 without ever winning a slam. And another two who only won one slam, and held the #1 ranking. That actually tends to de-value the #1 ranking. List here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WTA_number_1_ranked_players).

I don't know how or why, but recently, the #1 ranking has been held by quite a few players who aren't good at winning slams. Here is a list of all the players ranked #1 by the computer since computerized rankings began in 1975. (Hence the absence of King and Court.) I am going to list them by number of slam singles titles won.

22 Graf
18 Navratilova
18 Evert
11 Serena
9 Seles
7 Venus
7 Henin
7 Goolagong Cawley
5 Hingis
4 Sánchez Vicario
3 Davenport
3 Capriati
3 Sharapova
2 Mauresmo
2 Austin
1 Clijsters
1 Ivanović
0 Safina
0 Janković
And yet their are multiple slam winners who never got the #1 ranking
4 Mandlikova
3 Wade
2 Pierce
Except for the injury plagued Tracy Austin, every #1 before Clijsters won at least THREE slams.




If Dinara Safina needs to believe accomplishments are on a par with Iva Majoli or Anastasia Myskina, more power to her. If she really thinks people remember Justine Henin of Monica Seles for holding the #1 ranking, she's delusional.

Dont leave out the Kuz...... ahhh poor thing...

Lol in 10 years noone will be talking about Safina...lets not kid ourselves... unless she rolles off 10+ big tournament wins... she'll slip history not having made her mark on the tour. If you dont have multi-slams, all you did was play during someones generation.....

Heres a question, Do Safina and Jankovic get into the Hall of fame because they were #1? I'd hope not, but we all know their standards are low....

Caralenko
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:35 AM
Of course they get into the record books. 19 number ones is not a lot :rolleyes: They worked hard to get their ranking and deserved it.

So Disrespectful
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:56 AM
Wonder why does she show up at the slams in the first place, if they're not all that important lol

She doesn't :lol:

jade001
Sep 4th, 2009, 12:04 PM
Safina puts herself a lot of pressure on her shoulders again, she better not reach the final.

2moretogo
Sep 4th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Nonsense. At the WORST you'll be remembered as a one slam wonder.

this.

Tanja8
Sep 4th, 2009, 12:51 PM
What do you want Safina to do? To lose Rome and Madrid on purpose? To lose 1st round next few tournaments? To say "Sorry, Serena, I know you are much better, I`ll ask WTA if we can switch 1st and 2nd place"?
It`s not her fault. She plays the way she is able to - and that`s just how the rankings work.

Adaora
Sep 4th, 2009, 12:53 PM
All she needs to say is "I'm #1 because I earned it!"

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 4th, 2009, 12:57 PM
She actually has a point. Does anyone talk about Hana Mandlikova, Novotna, Myskina or even Pierce? Not really, It's always Seles, Graf, Navratilova, Evert and the Williamses.

Maybe it's because they won 85 slams between them? :confused:

AnnaK_4ever
Sep 4th, 2009, 12:59 PM
What do you want Safina to do?

To play a couple of decent matches, to begin with?

mykarma
Sep 4th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Some comments on here are shameful. Bashing somebody who you know will not be able to reply to your hate filled bile. It is not Safina's fault she is currently #1. It is not the WTA's fault nor a fault of the ranking system. If people cannot beat her when she plays terribly, which is not all of the time, and if others cannot be bothered to play more tournaments, or when they do, lose in the early rounds that again is not Safina's fault. I think her comment about #1 and GS winners was ill judged, but there is no need for such nasty comments of the like I have read. If you disagree with her, like I do, then try to say so in a civil manner, thank you.
You're kidding right? You act as though Safina reads this board but is banned from responding.

Sam L
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:04 PM
Safina is not being honest with herself. She knows that that No. 1 ranking is meaningless without a Grand Slam title under belt.

If you don't believe that, go watch French Open final 2009.

Obviously, she believes she can win a slam. She has to. But she knows that until that happens that No. 1 ranking doesn't mean anything.

She can lie but she's not convincing anyone, including herself, sadly.

serenus_2k8
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:09 PM
I like Safina a lot off court - but on court I find her difficult to enjoy :shrug: I think she will pick up a slam - probably the French. If Sveta is mentally strong enough to defend a slam I would be very shocked - so I cant see anyone else really stopping Dinara on the clay.

brickhousesupporter
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:10 PM
She's partially right. Fewer players have reached #1 than won a slam - so it is harder (slightly).


give it some time......with this ranking system, it will not be long before you more number1s than slam winners.

Dave.
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Nonsense. At the WORST you'll be remembered as a one slam wonder.

And for Safina at worst it'll be former world number 1. Not that it matters in the slightest how she's remembered, but I prefer world number 1. It shows she was the best in her sport. One slam wonder doesn't have a good ring to it, it implies that the slam was a fluke.


the same will be for her if she doesnt get a slam... lets not kid ourselves......

People remember that Martina won 5 slams not how long she was #1.....
People remember Amelie won 2 slams not that she was #1
People remember that Venus has 7 slams and most are shocked (who didnt know beforehand unless told) that she only spent 11 weeks at number 1...

I heard this, and Dinara is deluding herself if she thinks she gonna be remember for anything if she doesnt get a slam....

Who are all these people and why do they matter? I'm going to remember Amelie was no.1, and I'm not shocked at how little time Venus was no.1. :shrug:


You are so WRONG.

When Martina and Amelie are announced or introduced, they are remembered as a former world #1. It's like being known as world champion.

All the #1's are memorable. The same cannot be said for all the winners of majors.

Agreed.

The list of no.1 players is shorter and more exclusive than the list of grand slam winners. I'm not arguing which one is a bigger accomplishment in here right now, but all I know is less have got to no.1 than have won slams.


That's because, the majority of the time, number ones are slam winners, and the undisputed best in the world at the time.

Do you think casual fans are going to remember Jankovic's reign at number one twenty years from now?

Since when? Only when you have years like Justine in 07 or Serena in 02 is that usually the case. Most of the time the no.1 player is just the best in the world but isn't too far above the rest that there is no dispute or argument over it. Like today, I believe Safina is the right player at no.1 but it's not like she's head and shoulders above everybody else. We don't have a dominant player right now.

Why do casual fans matter? Why is it always important what they remember?

brickhousesupporter
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:20 PM
It is also funny how now that Serena received a censure from the WTA to stop talking about the rankings, everyone and their mamma is now talking about the ranking and supporting Safina. Coincidence....hmmmm?

brickhousesupporter
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:22 PM
And for Safina at worst it'll be former world number 1. Not that it matters in the slightest how she's remembered, but I prefer world number 1.
If she does not win a slam the number 1 ranking will always be qualified. So she will be remembered as the former #1 who did not win a slam.

CloudAtlas
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:54 PM
I don't know what people expected her to say "I'm #1 but I don't deserve to be because I'm shit and don't have a Slam because I play some of the worst tennis known to man and am mental midget with a bastard of a coach"?

It doesn't matter that most if not all of that is true , you can't expect a player , especially one in Dinara's position to beat herself up about that , she has to show that she is confident and not bothered by the "not the real #1" comments. People on here are way too unrealistic at times.

thrust
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:59 PM
The slams have too many players that are weak and should be narrowed to one week with the best 32 players... maybe even round-robin to get to quarters or something... and then give a day of rest... and have quarters, semis and finals.

I agree! I would be very happy to be number one, without a Slam, making millions of dollars a year. Winning Slams is wonderful, but unfortunately, overrated which lessens the regular tour championships. Why have an all year tour, if Slams are the only thing that matters? Again, Slams are very important in one's overall status in the game but being number one is too. The truly great players accomplish both. There are very few truly great players, in any era. Today there is only the Williams. Sharapova is still a question mark, but coming on strong. The only player on the same level of the Sisters was Justine. Less than Serena, a bit more than Venus.

T-GIRL87
Sep 4th, 2009, 02:23 PM
All of this attack directed at Serena I think is becoming beyond ridiculous. If anything, I hear the commentators doing most of the criticizing of Safina than Serena herself. If it is her desire to focus on Slams, at this late stage of her career, than it is certaintly within her right to do that. I recall at the beginning of 2007, after Serena had struggled greatly the previous two years, they said the tour had caught up with her, and she would never win another major, now here she is in 2009 with a couple majors under her belt, having outlast several of her rivarlies and on the verge of tying Billy Jean's grand slam record, and the new attack against her is that she only can deliver in majors. In 02-03 when she was winning consistently, it was bad for tennis, in 04-07 when she wasn't winning consistently, she's not a contender anymore. Now she's in the middle, and she has been deemed the spawn of satan by the tennis world. Maybe her indifference to the number 1 ranking is b/c no matter what she does, she knows she will be under scrunitinized regardless.

terjw
Sep 4th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Why do casual fans matter? Why is it always important what they remember?

The term "casual fan" is made up anyway. In the UK - it really comes down to someone who follows Wimbledon and that's really it. Certainly not someone who'd have the slightest interest in women's tennis were it not that it's held at Wimbledon with the men.

In the UK "casual" tennis fans are only really interested in Wimbledon. They remember all sorts of things about Wimbledon - matches, incidents, Venus obviously, but a lot of top players that do well here. One thing remembered more than how many Wimbledons Venus has is Jelena & Jamie winning the Mixed Doubles. But they won't know anything much about the rest of the year including grand slams.

The other big thing that will be remembered in the women's game is all the shrieking - and this will be more what Maria is remembered for. I doubt they know how many slams she's got apart from the Wimbledon win. Ask them who won the AO or RG this year and not many would know. They'd probable guess Serena, Venus, Maria in that order for every one just because they are the headline names - but they wouldn't likely know.

MisterMan
Sep 4th, 2009, 02:33 PM
Iva Majoli ! Myskina ! haha

terjw
Sep 4th, 2009, 02:57 PM
give it some time......with this ranking system, it will not be long before you more number1s than slam winners.

I doubt it. Admittedly - the last 2 years have been an exception to what has always happened before and we've had three new #1s to one new slam winner. But you just run out of viable players in the end who could get to #1 at the same time as there are no new slam winners. I suppose Lena may have vaguely threatened she could do it this year and be a new #1 without there being a new slam winner - but not a serious threat. And no-one else is anywhere near to doing it. I think it's far more likely that we'll revert back to getting new slam winner(s) before we get a new #1 who's never been there before.

Vlover
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:21 PM
That poor girl is starting to believe the :bs: her fans have been feeding her. It has always been and will be that multiple major champions get prominence over being #1. The fact that there is always controversy when there is a #1 without a major is evidence that majors are important. Does she really thinks that in her case the #1=best player.?:eek: Yes #1' quality players have struggled and lost in majors but they just don't get their ass kicked with bagels in semis and finals.:help:. Safina is the #1 seed but the best player, god NO!:tape:

Tennisstar86
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:48 PM
I don't know what people expected her to say "I'm #1 but I don't deserve to be because I'm shit and don't have a Slam because I play some of the worst tennis known to man and am mental midget with a bastard of a coach"?

It doesn't matter that most if not all of that is true , you can't expect a player , especially one in Dinara's position to beat herself up about that , she has to show that she is confident and not bothered by the "not the real #1" comments. People on here are way too unrealistic at times.

its funny though itsnt it.... The same people who commend Safina saying "What is she suppose to say" Reprimand Serena..... what is Serena suppose to say? when shes asked the question 5 billion times?

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:48 PM
And for Safina at worst it'll be former world number 1. Not that it matters in the slightest how she's remembered, but I prefer world number 1. It shows she was the best in her sport. One slam wonder doesn't have a good ring to it, it implies that the slam was a fluke.

And the talk surrounding Safina in the media increasingly revolves around the fact that Safina herself at number one is a "fluke" of sorts. Or am I misinterpreting the coverage I hear and read?


Why do casual fans matter? Why is it always important what they remember?

When Dementieva won the Olympic Gold, she claimed it meant more to her than any slam would. She said it was because every Russian knows what an Olympic Gold is, while most Russians don't even follow tennis.

What ordinary people think *matters*. It shapes public perception of you, and no matter what athletes say, that kind of stuff gets to them.

What would even be the point of a hall of fame is only tennis fans' opinions mattered? Everyone on this board, everyone who follows tennis seriously, knew Seles was a great player before she was inducted, so it certainly wasn't for us. So who was it for?

If the media narrative concerning Safina is any indication, she'll be remembered as a number one who not only wasn't the best, but was regularly outclassed by her rivals.

Donny
Sep 4th, 2009, 03:51 PM
I doubt it. Admittedly - the last 2 years have been an exception to what has always happened before and we've had three new #1s to one new slam winner. =But you just run out of viable players in the end who could get to #1 at the same time as there are no new slam winners. I suppose Lena may have vaguely threatened she could do it this year and be a new #1 without there being a new slam winner - but not a serious threat. And no-one else is anywhere near to doing it. I think it's far more likely that we'll revert back to getting new slam winner(s) before we get a new #1 who's never been there before.

Going completely off of form, I don't see anyone playing well enough to win a slam except Clijsters, Sharapova, or the WS.

Tanja8
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:47 PM
What do you want Safina to do?
To play a couple of decent matches, to begin with?
I guess it`s not so simple to get up in the morning, press the button on your ear and say: Today I`m going to play well.:lol:
She plays the best she can on certain day ...
And when she plays badly - I`m sure she is aware of it. But again - what should she do? "Oh, I really played badly last week, please, take this N1 away from me. I don`t deserve it".
:rolleyes:

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 4th, 2009, 04:51 PM
All of this attack directed at Serena I think is becoming beyond ridiculous. If anything, I hear the commentators doing most of the criticizing of Safina than Serena herself. If it is her desire to focus on Slams, at this late stage of her career, than it is certaintly within her right to do that. I recall at the beginning of 2007, after Serena had struggled greatly the previous two years, they said the tour had caught up with her, and she would never win another major, now here she is in 2009 with a couple majors under her belt, having outlast several of her rivarlies and on the verge of tying Billy Jean's grand slam record, and the new attack against her is that she only can deliver in majors. In 02-03 when she was winning consistently, it was bad for tennis, in 04-07 when she wasn't winning consistently, she's not a contender anymore. Now she's in the middle, and she has been deemed the spawn of satan by the tennis world. Maybe her indifference to the number 1 ranking is b/c no matter what she does, she knows she will be under scrunitinized regardless.

this.....but particularly the part in bold....

faboozadoo15
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:03 PM
That's because, the majority of the time, number ones are slam winners, and the undisputed best in the world at the time.

Do you think casual fans are going to remember Jankovic's reign at number one twenty years from now?

Of course. There have been very few #1's.

She's certainly had a more memorable career than Myskina, Majoli, and other women who have only won 1 major.

CloudAtlas
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:06 PM
its funny though itsnt it.... The same people who commend Safina saying "What is she suppose to say" Reprimand Serena..... what is Serena suppose to say? when shes asked the question 5 billion times?



There's a fine line between confidence and rudeness though , and whilst Safina has crossed that line at times particularly after her ascent to #1, Serena tends to do it more often, even if it is done in a jokey manner.

PreOp
Sep 4th, 2009, 05:55 PM
Safina is delusional, to say the least. She could be #1 for a hundred more weeks, and if she never wins a Slam (doubles or singles) she would at most be remembered as the best player not eligible for the Tennis Hall of Fame.

Marshmallow
Sep 4th, 2009, 06:41 PM
It's quite sad. More proof of why she SHOULDN'T be number one - she is clearly losing her damn mind.

I don't expect her to say "I shouldn't be number one I don't deserve it" but would prefer is she could rationally just say things like "I haven't won a slam yet because I haven't quite been able to play my best in the biggest of matches, but I believe I deserve my ranking because I have been the most consistent player for the year. I have achieve so much already and I know I will get over this hurdle soon".

But oh well...

Tennisstar86
Sep 4th, 2009, 08:56 PM
There's a fine line between confidence and rudeness though , and whilst Safina has crossed that line at times particularly after her ascent to #1, Serena tends to do it more often, even if it is done in a jokey manner.

Serena tends to do it more often because Serena has a reason to do it. she is and has prove time and time again that she IS the best....Don't make excuses for Safina and then chide Serena....The difference between Serena and safina is 11 major titles and 10 years being talked about at the top compared to 1...

Part of this cockiness is why im not a huge fan of Serena, but i find it funny that people on this forum rush to Safinas side when she makes these comments and crucify Serena...

CloudAtlas
Sep 4th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Serena tends to do it more often because Serena has a reason to do it. she is and has prove time and time again that she IS the best....Don't make excuses for Safina and then chide Serena....The difference between Serena and safina is 11 major titles and 10 years being talked about at the top compared to 1...

Part of this cockiness is why im not a huge fan of Serena, but i find it funny that people on this forum rush to Safinas side when she makes these comments and crucify Serena...



Sometimes the criticism Serena gets is unwarranted I do agree , but I personally have never criticised her for saying she feels like she's the best player on the tour or anything along those lines , only when the Rome and Madrid comment came along did I feel she really overstepped the mark. Cockiness is fine as long as it;s not overtly disrespectful and that comment was.

Even if Serena didn't reply it's not gonna take anything away from her achievements , and even without Serena replying, Safina still getting all the flack from the fans , from the press and the media. Therefore Serena making comments about Safina isn't always exactly the same as Safina making them about Serena.

But I take your point about the double standards on here sometimes.

Tennisstar86
Sep 4th, 2009, 09:15 PM
Sometimes the criticism Serena gets is unwarranted I do agree , but I personally have never criticised her for saying she feels like she's the best player on the tour or anything along those lines , only when the Rome and Madrid comment came along did I feel she really overstepped the mark. Cockiness is fine as long as it;s not overtly disrespectful and that comment was.

Even if Serena didn't reply it's not gonna take anything away from her achievements , and even without Serena replying, Safina still getting all the flack from the fans , from the press and the media. Therefore Serena making comments about Safina isn't always exactly the same as Safina making them about Serena.

But I take your point about the double standards on here sometimes.

Serena just quoted Safina.... thats exactly what Safina said... "I won Rome and Madrid" Sure she didnt have to laugh, but if you watched the whole interview the media had her cracking up in it. Im sure when she started to say it she didnt plan on laughin (you can tell she tried to hold it back), but couldnt hold it back from the ridiculousness of that statement and with the media laughing.... Had Serena said "That bitch shouldnt be #1" i could see the outcry... All Serena did was quote Safina, maybe Safina shouldnt have tried to compare Rome and Madrid to the Austrailian Open, Us Open and Miami...