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danieln1
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:43 PM
SheŽll play after goat Federer, WTF???
Had this ever happenned before?

Uranium
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:45 PM
The commentators were complaining about them not doing this ever last night, and now they do:o

John.
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:45 PM
I can't recall this ever happening before :shrug:

DefyingGravity
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:46 PM
....they were planning on doing this after the Australian Open had men's matches at 3 a.m., and I'm not terribly upset. Federer will be done in 5 minutes anyway.

saul1333
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:46 PM
They were planning to switch it up.

I guess more equality stuff.

Singleniacki
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:48 PM
Ewww.

Horrible centre court schedule

As if Marion vs. Kim wouldn't make centre court!!!!!!!!

Shuji Shuriken
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:50 PM
Well Mark Carillo should be very happy about this :o. That idiot wouldn't stop complaining about it during the Venus match :lol:. Had to put it on mute.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:51 PM
I hope Mens Matches dont go 4hrs so I have to wait till Midnight to watch :mad:

delicatecutter
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:53 PM
Maybe Carillo will shut up now. God, she was annoying last night. :o

-jenks-
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:59 PM
how is mauresmo/wozniak on arther ashe and kim/bartoli isn't? :scratch: :rolleyes:

ZODIAC
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:06 PM
its those hateful ESPN morons they are so hateful,especially those McEnroes and that ugly thing called Mary.

Cakeisgood
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:09 PM
how is mauresmo/wozniak on arther ashe and kim/bartoli isn't? :scratch: :rolleyes:

Cuz Wozniak is GOAT. duh.

harloo
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:10 PM
Well Mark Carillo should be very happy about this :o. That idiot wouldn't stop complaining about it during the Venus match :lol:. Had to put it on mute.

I wanted to put a muzzle on Mark last night. He wouldn't shut up about this being "unfair" because the women get equal prize money now.

Lunaris
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:17 PM
Pointless non-GM thread... move it, mods. :smash:

Dawson.
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:34 PM
I think you've missed the real issue here:

Kim .vs. Bartoli NOT on Ashe! WHAT THE EFF!!!1

Donny
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:36 PM
They put the women matches on first at night ebcause they're afraid people will leave right after the men's match is done.

They're predicting that with Serena playing, this won't happen. Not rocket science.

NA-GOAT
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:50 PM
I posted last week that they doing this :wavey:

cellophane
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:35 PM
Marion-Kim should've been the night mtach on Ashe. :rolleyes:

spice_of_life
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:37 PM
They put the women matches on first at night because they're afraid people will leave right after the men's match is done.

They're predicting that with Serena playing, this won't happen. Not rocket science.And what does that say about women's tennis. :o

spice_of_life
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:38 PM
Marion-Kim should've been the night mtach on Ashe. :rolleyes:I don't disagree, but they're not American and they're not a Williams sister or Sharapova. Never going to happen. I do wonder how ESPN would've handled both WS & Sharapova being on the same side of the draw.

harloo
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:41 PM
I think you've missed the real issue here:

Kim .vs. Bartoli NOT on Ashe! WHAT THE EFF!!!1

:lol: I don't think it's an issue. This is the U.S. Open and both defending champions have the prime time spot. And to be honest, I don't think many people will be interested in Kim vs. Bartoli anyways. Kim will most likely trounce Bartoli in two sets.:tape:

gmokb
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:44 PM
It seems the men launched an attack on the schedule, complaining that it wasn't fair. The disgusting Roddick led the charge. Oh well, I will just have to stay up later to see my ladies.

cellophane
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:48 PM
I don't disagree, but they're not American and they're not a Williams sister or Sharapova. Never going to happen. I do wonder how ESPN would've handled both WS & Sharapova being on the same side of the draw.

Kim is very popular and is a former champ... I think it will be competitive. Although Serena vs. Czink could be a decent match too. They should've put Federer's boring match in the day session.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:49 PM
you do realise that technically the night session only includes serena's match...fed will be done under an hour

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:50 PM
I don't disagree, but they're not American and they're not a Williams sister or Sharapova. Never going to happen. I do wonder how ESPN would've handled both WS & Sharapova being on the same side of the draw.

you really are too bitter :lol:

Nina.
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:56 PM
I don't see the problem here. Federer and Serena are both defending champions and both played during the day yesterday. I don't see why the order is a big deal? :shrug:

spice_of_life
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:58 PM
you do realise that technically the night session only includes serena's match...fed will be done under an hourLet's see how many people stay for Serena after Fed is done. :p

Ferg
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:03 AM
:lol: I don't think it's an issue. This is the U.S. Open and both defending champions have the prime time spot. And to be honest, I don't think many people will be interested in Kim vs. Bartoli anyways. Kim will most likely trounce Bartoli in two sets.:tape:

Not many people will be interested? Its arguably the pick of the 2nd round, and a lot of people here are excited for it. It would certainly be better then Momo-Wozniak :tape:

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:06 AM
Let's see how many people stay for Serena after Fed is done. :p

don't be surprised if a lot stay :p

mr_burns
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:28 AM
honestly momo wozniak is first match in an empty aa stadium, much better for kim and bartoli to play later that day on LA (and amelie is quite popular as well, like kim and the others non WS and Maria)

I like the idea about women's coming second, ususally the stadium is not full at the beginning, federer is kind of opening act;-)

Dawson.
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:41 AM
:lol: I don't think it's an issue. This is the U.S. Open and both defending champions have the prime time spot. And to be honest, I don't think many people will be interested in Kim vs. Bartoli anyways. Kim will most likely trounce Bartoli in two sets.:tape:

I was speaking from a sarcastic fanboy point of view :lol: :p I don't expect them to chose Kim over Serena. But I am slightly suprised that they chose Mauresmo/Wozniak over this match though... but hey, it doesn't really matter to me what court Kim whoops her on :)

mauresmofan
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:50 AM
They get paid the same so why shouldn't the women have to wait?

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:12 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/ten...reg&id=4436962 (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen09/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=4436962)
U.S. Open p.m. pecking order to change

NEW YORK -- Andy Roddick had a tough Monday night, and a decent piece of Tuesday morning, too.

By the time the USTA's opening-night celebration featuring Andre Agassi had concluded, and after Venus Williams needed an unconscionable 2 hours, 43 minutes to beat Vera Dushevina in the first match, Roddick and his first-round opponent, Bjorn Phau, didn't start trading serious rallies on the court at Arthur Ashe Stadium until 10 minutes after 11 p.m. ET.

The match concluded at 12:45 a.m., and Roddick didn't appear for his postmatch interview until about a quarter past 1. He had to be a bit cranky, but he didn't rip the USTA for its classic late-night, early-morning finishes.

No, he just asked for a little gender equity.

"The only change that I would make, if all things are equal, we would play first sometimes," Roddick said. "I think that's reasonable."

Done.

It is extremely likely Wednesday night's dream dance card of U.S. Open favorites Roger Federer and Serena Williams will offer a unique twist. Eschewing the USTA's standard ladies-first protocol, Federer would be scheduled to play his second-round opponent, Simon Greul, first, and Williams would follow against Melinda Czink.

Ladies last. Now that's progress. It has been more than 20 years since a women's match followed a men's match at night here at the U.S. Open.

According to the USTA, the last time a women's match followed a men's match at night was Aug. 27, 1986. Jimmy Connors played Henrik Sundstrom, followed by a match between Gabriela Sabatini and Nathalie Tauziat.

Five hours before Wednesday's schedule was made official, U.S. Open tournament director Jim Curley declined to verify that the men would play first, but he told ESPN.com, "We just might."

When Roddick and several other players endured late-night matches at the Australian Open earlier this year, they complained. Why is it always us, they asked? Curley heard those objections, and in one-on-one conversations with players, that sentiment has been reinforced.

Said Curley: "The guys are saying, 'Hold on. Equal opportunity? Gender equity? It works both ways, right?'

"It's a very valid question. After the Australian Open, we made a decision to make efforts to find appropriate sessions where the men go first."

It is likely to happen again this fortnight. Now that's something of a breakthrough. Now, women will be treated just as horribly as the men.

There is a recent history of women playing the second night match, but that always followed another women's match. Venus and Serena Williams played both ends of a doubleheader on opening night in 2007, capping a celebration of the 50th anniversary of Althea Gibson's first U.S. Championships title. Twice, Jennifer Capriati played the second night match, in 2002 and 2003, following Martina Hingis and Kim Clijsters. In 2004 and 2005, Venus played second, following Lindsay Davenport and Maria Sharapova.

Why have the men always been second in the p.m. pecking order?

In a word (or two), money and convention.

Prior to 2006, the USTA's inclement-weather policy required that for a session to be considered complete, one match had to be completed. It doesn't take a nuclear physicist to do this math: In the face of balky weather, the odds of completing a match are far greater if it is played in a best-of-three-sets format, rather than a best-of-five.

Even after the policy changed, the habit had been formed. It wasn't until the men's complaints this year that the USTA was moved to action.

The other question skirts the issue of gender equity. There is a body of opinion that women's matches -- particularly in the early rounds, when top-seeded players typically breeze in straight sets -- are not as entertaining as men's matches. If the first men's match went five sets and the women didn't hit the court until 11 or 12, would the fans at Arthur Ashe stick around for the match?

Every year, after a late match or two, the critics start sniping. They worry about the effects of the late hour on the players, and the fans, for that matter. It happened two years ago when David Ferrer and Rafael Nadal went deep -- all the way to 1:50 a.m. There were fewer than 8,000 spectators left when Ferrer dispatched Nadal into the moonlit night; empty seats outnumbered those that were occupied by a 2-to-1 margin.

"We know it comes up," said Chris Widmaier, the USTA's managing director of communications. "We understand [the complaint]. But you have to remember that tennis is a very different animal.

"One of the mystiques of the U.S. Open is the late-night matches on a big court. We don't want to lose that excitement."

Over the years, the women's defense of going first was that the men's match could go five sets.

"In this day of equal prize money and gender equity," Curley said, "that argument, to me, rings as hollow."

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:33 AM
i love it!

supergrunt
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:34 AM
I don't think that's fair because everywhere else in the world the wta gets secondary treatment

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:54 AM
what equality are they talking about :lol: they only equal thing is prize money at slams :lol:

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:56 AM
Serena keeps on breaking the mode and setting new trends! :yeah: I guess the organisers know she is one of few women to keep viewers in their seats.

Jem
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:18 AM
It seems the men launched an attack on the schedule, complaining that it wasn't fair. The disgusting Roddick led the charge. Oh well, I will just have to stay up later to see my ladies.

Well, it is an issue of fairness, isn't it? Why should the women always get the first shot and have all the variables in their favor? I think it's a great move.

Say what you will about the U.S. Open, but it gives the women more stadium and main court time than any of the grand slams. So if they have to play the second night match, it shouldn't be an issue.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:08 AM
fairness of what??? what exactly do the women get that is "fair" besides equal prize money at slams?? and i don't get what the complaint is....the most women can play is 3 sets....granted you can get 3 hour 3 set matches, but on the wta the chances of that happening are usually slim since 3 set matches are usually lop sided...venus and safina's matches in the opening rds are the exception rather than the norm...

men can play 5 sets, 5 hours + with a match ending at midnight THEN to have the women play afterwards all in the name of "equality"...:lol:

show me where else the tennis establishments impliments "fairness" and "equality" and i'll agree with the argument

pollison
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:13 AM
its not that big of a shcok. pretty sure its happened at the australian open

-VSR-
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:19 AM
It could go either way, the argument could be that women should play first because they only play three sets compared to the mens five.

mdterp01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:28 AM
Mary knew about this when she was pontificating last night. It was revealed before the tournament began. I guess some people didn't hear about it, but its not a surprise to me. Kind of looking forward to it. They get a day off in between so even if by some miracle Fed is pushed Serena has a whole day to be fine.

tobi
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:41 AM
Since Roger is so generous,he wont make ladies wait much :lol:

His match is the ideal one to try this new night session format.

Mynarco
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:51 AM
OMG I hate night session :o

DimaDinosaur
Sep 2nd, 2009, 04:33 AM
its those hateful ESPN morons they are so hateful,especially those McEnroes and that ugly thing called Mary.


Mary is NOT ugly!!! She's the hottest lesbian I ever laid eyes on! :hearts:

The Witch-king
Sep 2nd, 2009, 10:00 AM
Andy is such a complaining little ....
Anyway it makes sense. And it makes no difference to me as i'll be asleep.

LeonHart
Sep 3rd, 2009, 12:49 AM
As long as the TV coverage doesn't cut out after the mens matches.

Jem
Sep 3rd, 2009, 02:11 AM
fairness of what??? what exactly do the women get that is "fair" besides equal prize money at slams?? and i don't get what the complaint is....the most women can play is 3 sets....granted you can get 3 hour 3 set matches, but on the wta the chances of that happening are usually slim since 3 set matches are usually lop sided...venus and safina's matches in the opening rds are the exception rather than the norm...

men can play 5 sets, 5 hours + with a match ending at midnight THEN to have the women play afterwards all in the name of "equality"...:lol:

show me where else the tennis establishments impliments "fairness" and "equality" and i'll agree with the argument

Well, I was thinking fairness for the men. Seems like they deserve the opening slot from time to time rather than always having to play the second match. I think at the U.S. Open, the women get treated very well compared with the other grand slams. They get equal show court time and pretty much equal treatment all the way around. Wimbledon treats them pretty bad in terms of court time on Centre and Court 1.

mr_burns
Sep 3rd, 2009, 02:30 AM
as i can't watch it here in australia, how does it work?

are there more people for federer oder serena?

BTW, Federer wasn't that fast, he did that on purpose to punish wta fans (12 games to greul that's a shock;-))

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 3rd, 2009, 02:45 AM
so federer played average...serena played awesome...both won but yet serena was boring...isn't that a bit of a vice versa situation?? but now the wta match is called boring?? :lol:

mdterp01
Sep 3rd, 2009, 02:52 AM
And look at what happened...Roger won in straights, Serena demolished her opponent, and everyone gets to start going home before 11pm. Seems like it was fine to me!!

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 3rd, 2009, 02:54 AM
oh my goodness, what a boring match. :yawn: