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brickhousesupporter
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:01 PM
Chris Fowler said when summarizing the Dinara match, that Serena was told by the WTA to not talk about the rankings and the number 1 situation. What do you think, should they be allowed to censure players like this? Does this not make them look bad......?

volta
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:02 PM
10+ pages coming up :drive:

i'm so over this ranking thing :o just :yawn:

Lucemferre
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:02 PM
Pathetic :o

GrandMartha
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:02 PM
:yawn:

mdterp01
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:02 PM
Actually I heard it the opposite way. I heard Serena requested that people lay off the talk about the rankings. Perhaps I heard it wrong?? :confused:

belzebub
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:03 PM
well the numerical number one is one set down with 28 numerical errors and 5 double faults against the frightful Olga Rogowska:lol::lol::lol:

tennnisfannn
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:03 PM
should they be asking the press not to ask questions about the rankings and shouldn't the WTA not gag the commentators who insist on discussing the rankings all the time?

AkademiQ
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:05 PM
Whether it was the WTA or Serena herself it doesn't need anymore press. Serena can keep on winning the slams but the math proves right ranking terms. Talent and actual worth, Serena can be #1, but official ranking wise unless she wins a Stanford, Cincy, etc, she stays #2. No favors are being done in the situation with more talk about the rankings/system.

Ksenia.
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:05 PM
It only shows that WTA realizes that the ranking system is far from perfect.

belzebub
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:07 PM
I am sorry Olivia Rogowska the number 166 in the world :tape:

maybe there is something wrong with Olivia's ranking as well :tape:

brickhousesupporter
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:07 PM
Actually I heard it the opposite way. I heard Serena requested that people lay off the talk about the rankings. Perhaps I heard it wrong?? :confused:

I distinctly heard him say that the WTA ask for Serena to stop talking about it.........What do you think they are holding over her head to get her to shut up?

Lulu.
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:10 PM
I distinctly heard him say that the WTA ask for Serena to stop talking about it.........What do you think they are holding over her head to get her to shut up?

That's what I heard!

Bijoux0021
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:11 PM
Actually I heard it the opposite way. I heard Serena requested that people lay off the talk about the rankings. Perhaps I heard it wrong?? :confused:
If the request is from Serena, that's great. It wouldn't make sense for to talk about it when she had the opportunity to take back the #1 ranking and didn't.

Inktrailer
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:12 PM
I distinctly heard him say that the WTA ask for Serena to stop talking about it.........What do you think they are holding over her head to get her to shut up?

A cream cake and a sparkly pair of shoes?

Uranium
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:13 PM
Freedom of Speech being denied:( In seriousness, that's stupid.

youizahoe
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:13 PM
Like the wta will make serena shut up, serena makes the wta shut up, not the other way around.

Volcana
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:14 PM
Chris Fowler said when summarizing the Dinara match, that Serena was told by the WTA to not talk about the rankings and the number 1 situation. What do you think, should they be allowed to censure players like this? Does this not make them look bad......?What censure?

They can TELL Serena to do anything they want. That doesn't mean she has to do it, or that she will. Or won't. They told Serena she had to play Indian Wells too. How'd that work out?I distinctly heard him say that the WTA ask for Serena to stop talking about it.........What do you think they are holding over her head to get her to shut up?Rather a difference between 'told to shut up;' and 'asked to keep quiet'.

However, a smart executive might well tell Serena WHY she should shut up about it. Like the fact that making the rankings seem like a joke, even if they are, means fewer sponsors, less money, and hurts the tour as a whole. And what hurts the tour, in most cases, ultimately hurts Serena.

Self-interest is something most people understand.

belzebub
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:15 PM
serena should not worry we will keep the discussion up :lol:

Galsen
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:16 PM
I don't think so . they want her to play IW? does she? hell no!
she doesn't want to talk about the ranking and it has nothing to do with them

Tennisstar86
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:17 PM
If it were me, I'd talk about it more and more.......Serena really hasnt said too much about it, but what do they expect from her when the press keep asking her about it? I'd actually start bringing it up in all conversations if they Demanded i "stop" talking about it....

mdterp01
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:18 PM
:lol: belzebub. But if Serena's goal is to put in a half effort outside the majors then she has to know there is little chance of her getting to #1. So umm yeah...she should shut up about it. While I'd rather have 3 majors than Rome and Madrid, the WTA tour is more than the 4 majors.

AcesHigh
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:18 PM
Eh... it's such a messy situation. I don't think Serena wants to talk about it so I don't see why the WTA would have to make that request.

DefyingGravity
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:20 PM
They Just Aired Part Of The Press Conference!!!!

Serena Looked Like A Bitch On National Tv!

AcesHigh
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:21 PM
They Just Aired Part Of The Press Conference!!!!

Serena Looked Like A Bitch On National Tv!

I feel so bad for Dinara. Everyone is laughing at her... sad :sad:

Even I couldnt help laugh when Serena laughed at Dinara :tape:... it was a pretty awful thing to do though.

sammy01
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:25 PM
If the request is from Serena, that's great. It wouldn't make sense for to talk about it when she had the opportunity to take back the #1 ranking and didn't.

exactly, the whole ranking situation doesn't reflect well on serena either, shes had many chances to pick up the points but has lost against less than stellar opponents.

i don't think serena needs to be reminded she cant get her motivation/shit together enough to win standford or other tour tournaments.

shes #2 that aint half bad given her results outside the slams.

Illusionist
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:26 PM
Yeah, Serena is that kind of girl, she obeys right away :spit:

mdterp01
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:27 PM
They Just Aired Part Of The Press Conference!!!!

Serena Looked Like A Bitch On National Tv!

No she didn't given there are MANY people who agree that the rankings are a joke! Regardless of how its setup...many still think its a joke. I think the rankings are fine the way they are. Look...its more than just the four majors. It rewards consistency. Hingis held the #1 ranking for quite awhile toward the end of her career without winning a major. But she's very consistent in getting deep at tournaments, like Safina. So...it is what it is.

Lulu.
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:32 PM
Glad they showed the press conference. Serena is hilarious, a little mean but funny. :lol:

Serenita
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:36 PM
First TWITTER and now this.

дalex
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:45 PM
That's funny. :lol:

She should tone it down though. I mean, even if we all think she's the best out there, she clearly doesn't deserve to be #1, she didn't earn it...OTOH, the media keep asking her all these questions - it's a vicious circle.

Donny
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:48 PM
The WTA should fix the rankings so we don't have to talk about it. They don't, so it's their problem.

Olórin
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:51 PM
Why would Chris Fowler know anything about it. :shrug:

It's a shame the media keeps focussing on this issue, it's old news really. I don't understand why anyone cares anymore.

V's a star
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:56 PM
omg dinara and whoever shes playing has 16 winners and 40 sumthing errors. thats gotta be the worst i ever seen.
Back to the topic even if they shut Serena up the rest of the world is still talking, about and 70% of american pollers say that dont agree with the current situation

LeonHart
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:58 PM
Whatever, Safina deserves to be laughed at :angel:

HRHoliviasmith
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:00 PM
Yeah, Serena is that kind of girl, she obeys right away :spit:
this.

told her...doubtful. asked her nicely...more like it.

but whatever the case, it's really a dead-horse topic.

sweetpeas
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:02 PM
Their the one,playing old tapes!Not Serena!Your people playing right into it!Not Serena!Like,,,here your go again,so their screwing you.

Tennisstar86
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:10 PM
They Just Aired Part Of The Press Conference!!!!

Serena Looked Like A Bitch On National Tv!

I mean, when Safina plays like this.... Safina just makes Serena look right.....which she is... This is ridiculous, we've had slamless number 1 before, but they didnt play this horribly....

Serendy Willick
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:11 PM
Considering Safinas hideous performance right now, she has every right to get questioned. BTW, Safina has had a piss poor summer hardcourt season, a bad Indian Wells, Miami ( She didnt win a tournment between AO and Rome). She only has one more title besides Serenas (no matter how much the bitch commentators try to make Serenas wins out to be nothing:rolleyes::mad:) So for all of these clowns trying to make it like Safinas won all of these titles outside of the slams, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT:rolleyes::mad::mad:

mdterp01
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:12 PM
I mean, when Safina plays like this.... Safina just makes Serena look right.....which she is... This is ridiculous, we've had slamless number 1 before, but they didnt play this horribly....

CO SIGN!!!!

phelbyn
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:42 PM
It only shows that WTA realizes that the ranking system is far from perfect.

CORRECTION: Perhaps the ranking system is quite solid. The problem in my opinion is the tennis players. Did anyone consider players, like the Williams', who ONLY focus on grand slams? Serena has only won three tournaments in the past 1.5 years! (Since Charleston 08). I think that's just ridiculous. She plays the first few rounds of slams as practice, and honestly she sometimes barely squeaks through. Her results this summer, which include many disgusting early round losses prove that her focus is the slam. She should not comment too much about the number one ranking until she is prepared to be a dedicated member to the WTA circuit, which is something she has very rarely done.

Safina might be questionable as number one as well, but one cannot deny the way tournaments are weighted for points. 90% of Serena's points come from the three slams she won... Safina has simply been consistent all 52 weeks.

TSequoia01
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:45 PM
It almost appears tennis hotshots and the media are angry at Serena for not rescuing the number one slot. They should have thought about that before beating her with Indian Wells.

Serenita
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:48 PM
Well Safina is doing all the talking today :taped:

Elldee
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:48 PM
I think that they way Serena has talked about Dinara recently has been too much. So, in that respect, I think she should be told to tow the line but I think that if Serena wants to criticise the ranking system itself then she should be allowed to do so. It's a bit like that video of Serena in a 'comedy' where she basically calls Amelie Mauresmo a man.

canuckfan
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:49 PM
Considering Safinas hideous performance right now, she has every right to get questioned. BTW, Safina has had a piss poor summer hardcourt season, a bad Indian Wells, Miami ( She didnt win a tournment between AO and Rome). She only has one more title besides Serenas (no matter how much the bitch commentators try to make Serenas wins out to be nothing:rolleyes::mad:) So for all of these clowns trying to make it like Safinas won all of these titles outside of the slams, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT:rolleyes::mad::mad:

Except that Safina is 35-9 in WTA tournaments and Serena is 20-10.

I'm sure anyone can agree that Serena's the better player. But it's not like she really deserves the number one ranking either...

TSequoia01
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:51 PM
CORRECTION: Perhaps the ranking system is quite solid. The problem in my opinion is the tennis players. Did anyone consider players, like the Williams', who ONLY focus on grand slams? Serena has only won three tournaments in the past 1.5 years! (Since Charleston 08). I think that's just ridiculous. She plays the first few rounds of slams as practice, and honestly she sometimes barely squeaks through. Her results this summer, which include many disgusting early round losses prove that her focus is the slam. She should not comment too much about the number one ranking until she is prepared to be a dedicated member to the WTA circuit, which is something she has very rarely done.

Safina might be questionable as number one as well, but one cannot deny the way tournaments are weighted for points. 90% of Serena's points come from the three slams she won... Safina has simply been consistent all 52 weeks.

What is going on is not between Serena and Dinara. It is between the WTA and the Williamses. This was the year Scott and others decided to come after Venus and Serena. By giving them zeroes for IW it was a serious shot at their rankings. By making them play mandatory tournies it was a serious shot at their health. So they should not be surprised that Serena said to hell with them.

Dominic
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:52 PM
He's right she's annoying.

MisterMan
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:53 PM
I wish they wouldn't censor Serena. I want even more people to see how immature she truly is !!

phelbyn
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:54 PM
Considering Safinas hideous performance right now, she has every right to get questioned. BTW, Safina has had a piss poor summer hardcourt season, a bad Indian Wells, Miami ( She didnt win a tournment between AO and Rome). She only has one more title besides Serenas (no matter how much the bitch commentators try to make Serenas wins out to be nothing:rolleyes::mad:) So for all of these clowns trying to make it like Safinas won all of these titles outside of the slams, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT:rolleyes::mad::mad:

Venus at #3 just had a Safina-like match yesterday! Safina is a head-case right now, that doesn't deny her talent. The top three are all very strong, but inconsistent, players.

Consider the top 5 players win/loss records for the year:
Safina: 52-12 81% matches won
Serena: 38-10 79% matches won
Venus: 32-10 76% matches won
Dementieva: 50-13 79% matches won
Jankovic: 37-13 74% matches won

I think it's clear from the data that there is no dominant player right now. Since Henin left the game there has been such a flux in women's tennis.

What about Serena's stretch of Marbella, Rome, Madrid. She lost her FIRST ROUND MATCH each tournament. Is it justifiable to have her at #1 and to loose THREE first round matches in a row?

brickhousesupporter
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:55 PM
I think that they way Serena has talked about Dinara recently has been too much. So, in that respect, I think she should be told to tow the line but I think that if Serena wants to criticise the ranking system itself then she should be allowed to do so. It's a bit like that video of Serena in a 'comedy' where she basically calls Amelie Mauresmo a man.

Correction: Madtv called Amelia a man not Serena!

RVD
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:03 PM
The WTA should fix the rankings so we don't have to talk about it. They don't, so it's their problem.:lol: Exactly!
It's like the WTA is saying, "Yeah, we know that we screwed up the rankings and can't get our shit together. But don't talk bad about what's overtly obvious." :lol:

Still, if true, it's strange that they would directly approach Serena. :scratch:
Especially when the media is clearly the culprit here.





Actually, now that I think about it....it isn't strange at all. :mad:

Serenita
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:08 PM
Safina is begging to be criticized. Safina really doesnt deserve any protection regarding this issue, if she wants to stop the controversy she should win a slam, wich never gonna happen.

RVD
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:14 PM
CORRECTION: Perhaps the ranking system is quite solid. The problem in my opinion is the tennis players. Did anyone consider players, like the Williams', who ONLY focus on grand slams? Serena has only won three tournaments in the past 1.5 years! (Since Charleston 08). I think that's just ridiculous. She plays the first few rounds of slams as practice, and honestly she sometimes barely squeaks through. Her results this summer, which include many disgusting early round losses prove that her focus is the slam. She should not comment too much about the number one ranking until she is prepared to be a dedicated member to the WTA circuit, which is something she has very rarely done.

Safina might be questionable as number one as well, but one cannot deny the way tournaments are weighted for points. 90% of Serena's points come from the three slams she won... Safina has simply been consistent all 52 weeks.I know that I should ignore the fact that you're probably a newbie, but please post the facts.

Serena and Venus have won far more non-Slams than slams. And obviously, that would require them to PLAY non-slam events in order to win.
Do you follow the logic here?

If you need proof of this, please refer to any site listing their career win/loss records. Or simply Google either sister.
Thank you for your time. :wavey:

hankqq
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:14 PM
hilarious :lol:

RVD
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:17 PM
Except that Safina is 35-9 in WTA tournaments and Serena is 20-10.

I'm sure anyone can agree that Serena's the better player. But it's not like she really deserves the number one ranking either...Am I missing something?
When did anyone ever suggest that Serena "deserves" the number one ranking? :shrug:

phelbyn
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:18 PM
I know that I should ignore the fact that you're probably a newbie, but please post the facts.

Serena and Venus have won far more non-Slams than slams. And obviously, that would require them to PLAY non-slam events in order to win.
Do you follow the logic here?

If you need proof of this, please refer to any site listing their career win/loss records. Or simply Google either sister.
Thank you for your time. :wavey:

And I give them complete credit for that: they have won a wonderful amount of tournaments over a wonderfully long 10+ year career! :) Kudos to the sisters!

A tournament won 10 years ago has no impact on anything going on at the moment. I should have stressed that my stats were based on the recent year.

RVD
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:20 PM
What is going on is not between Serena and Dinara. It is between the WTA and the Williamses. This was the year Scott and others decided to come after Venus and Serena. By giving them zeroes for IW it was a serious shot at their rankings. By making them play mandatory tournies it was a serious shot at their health. So they should not be surprised that Serena said to hell with them.:worship: :worship:
Why people can't seem to understand this is beyond me. Especially since this has been discussed to ad infinatum on this very board.

RVD
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:21 PM
And I give them complete credit for that: they have won a wonderful amount of tournaments over a wonderfully long 10+ year career! :) Kudos to the sisters!

A tournament won 10 years ago has no impact on anything going on at the moment. I should have stressed that my stats were based on the recent year.Kewl. That's all I ask. ;)

Matt01
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:23 PM
The WTA should fix the rankings so we don't have to talk about it. They don't, so it's their problem.


Fixing the rankings so it helps Serena? No, thanks.

phelbyn
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:23 PM
Kewl. That's all I ask. ;)

My pleasure. :)

ClaudiaZ-S
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:24 PM
Serena doesn't deserve to be n°1 now

Black Mamba.
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:25 PM
:worship: :worship:
Why people can't seem to understand this is beyond me. Especially since this has been discussed to ad infinatum on this very board.

Quoted for truth.

brickhousesupporter
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:27 PM
Serena doesn't deserve to be n°1 now

This thread is not about who deserves the number 1 rankings.....It is about whether or not the WTA should get involved in the rankings controversy, by asking its players not to comment on the rankings debacle.

Black Mamba.
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:28 PM
IMO people are too fixated on the rankings anyway. If you're a top 5 player you're going to get pretty favorable draws until the quarters and at that point every player has to beat 3 really good players to win. To me the rankings are strictly for seeding purposes only.

RVD
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:28 PM
Venus at #3 just had a Safina-like match yesterday! Safina is a head-case right now, that doesn't deny her talent. The top three are all very strong, but inconsistent, players.

Consider the top 5 players win/loss records for the year:
Safina: 52-12 81% matches won
Serena: 38-10 79% matches won
Venus: 32-10 76% matches won
Dementieva: 50-13 79% matches won
Jankovic: 37-13 74% matches won

I think it's clear from the data that there is no dominant player right now. Since Henin left the game there has been such a flux in women's tennis.

What about Serena's stretch of Marbella, Rome, Madrid. She lost her FIRST ROUND MATCH each tournament. Is it justifiable to have her at #1 and to loose THREE first round matches in a row?Based on the current rankings system, Serena should definitely not be ranked #1. On this there is no argument.
However, did I miss a thread where anyone is suggesting that Serena be #1 today...right now...or should supplant Dinera?
The way I've read the posts, people are commenting on the fact that Dinera is ranked #1 due to the weakness of the ranking system; and then you have people blaming Serena, of all people, for actually winning slams and not winning tiered events.
Shouldn't we in fact be applauding Serena for winning the most difficult and demanding tournaments?

I just don't get the arguments around here.

Matt01
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:29 PM
Safina is begging to be criticized. Safina really doesnt deserve any protection regarding this issue, if she wants to stop the controversy she should win a slam, wich never gonna happen.


:weirdo:

brickhousesupporter
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:29 PM
IMO people are too fixated on the rankings anyway. If you're a top 5 player you're going to get pretty favorable draws until the quarters and at that point every player has to beat 3 really good players to win. To me the rankings are strictly for seeding purposes only.
Truth!

ClaudiaZ-S
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:31 PM
Based on the current rankings system, Serena should definitely not be ranked #1. On this there is no argument.
However, did I miss a thread where anyone is suggesting that Serena be #1 today...right now...or should supplant Dinera?
The way I've read the posts, people are commenting on the fact that Dinera being #1 due to the weakness of the ranking system, and then you have people blaming Serena, of all people, for actually winning slams and not winning tired events.
Shouldn't we in fact be applauding Serena for winning the most difficult and demanding tournaments?

I just don't get the arguments around here.

Yes, but WTATOUR is 4 slams... and other tournments. :p:p

jade001
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:32 PM
:weirdo:

Safina will never win a Slam as long as WS, Sharapova and Kuz are around.:shrug:

RVD
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:33 PM
IMO people are too fixated on the rankings anyway. If you're a top 5 player you're going to get pretty favorable draws until the quarters and at that point every player has to beat 3 really good players to win. To me the rankings are strictly for seeding purposes only.Good point.

And that said, the next emphasis should be placed on who wins which tournaments, IMHO.
But I guess boasting rights as a #1 ranked player isn't bad either. ;)

phelbyn
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:34 PM
Yes, but WTATOUR is 4 slams... and other tournments. :p:p

Yep! And I give full credit to those that win any of the top tiered tournaments, like Madrid, Miami, etc. The list of participants pretty much equals the slams. The only difference is the points per win, and the amount of wins to the title.

RVD
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:37 PM
Yes, but WTATOUR is 4 slams... and other tournments. :p:pSure it is, and really the vast majority on this board agree with you. Even I agree with you. So really, where's the argument stemming from?

Is it because the Williams limit their non-slam schedules?
They're not ONLY playing slam tournies. You do understand this, right?
If so, I'd say that the Williamses schedules are quite fine for them. And is a smart move when considering the stress they place on their bodies due to their particular technique and style of play.

TSequoia01
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:48 PM
Yep! And I give full credit to those that win any of the top tiered tournaments, like Madrid, Miami, etc. The list of participants pretty much equals the slams. The only difference is the points per win, and the amount of wins to the title.
No they don't, they are important to the total makeup of the WTA tour but in no way will they ever equal slams. Slams are the highest measure in tennis period! Every player who can lift a racquet who qualifies show up there. Wimbledon paid to the winner 1.6 million dollars, now add up tier I's and II's to amass that total. That sum should just about give you their relative value.

DefyingGravity
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:21 PM
To be honest, I think the players know how their bodies will hold up best and they will schedule accordingly. Younger girls like Caroline can play 20-30 tournaments and build up their ranking that way, while aggressive players like Venus and Serena who put a lot of stress on joints with their style of play and running so hard (especially Serena). I'd include Maria in that. They know how to fill in their schedules for their body. Maria usually plays, what, about 18?

It's how you do with your schedule that matters. Venus's ranking of #3 is not particularly based upon slam performance (2R-3R-RU), but it's a combo with those results and wins in Acapulco and Dubai. She's probably the best example of how it really should be on the WTA, a good mix of results on both levels.

TSequoia01
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:25 PM
To be honest, I think the players know how their bodies will hold up best and they will schedule accordingly. Younger girls like Caroline can play 20-30 tournaments and build up their ranking that way, while aggressive players like Venus and Serena who put a lot of stress on joints with their style of play and running so hard (especially Serena). I'd include Maria in that. They know how to fill in their schedules for their body. Maria usually plays, what, about 18?

It's how you do with your schedule that matters. Venus's ranking of #3 is not particularly based upon slam performance (2R-3R-RU), but it's a combo with those results and wins in Acapulco and Dubai. She's probably the best example of how it really should be on the WTA, a good mix of results on both levels.
:worship::worship:
In addition, players who go deep in every draw tend to play less as well. Good post

perseus2006
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:42 PM
It would be so easy to fix the ranking system. As it stands now, the Majors are way over rated points wise, being double the points of the Premier Mandatory tournaments, which is an absurd situation. Putting the Majors in perspective, the max points for a Major should be about 1200 rather than 2000. Certainly no more than 1400.

Galsen
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:48 PM
Fixing the rankings so it helps Serena? No, thanks.

why Serena:rolleyes:
no one is saying that she has to be #1 she is okay with#2 but put someone else than Safina at #1

Nickk
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:54 PM
Like Serena cares..

KoOlMaNsEaN
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:56 PM
SLZD09MqYI

perseus2006
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:59 PM
To be honest, I think the players know how their bodies will hold up best and they will schedule accordingly. Younger girls like Caroline can play 20-30 tournaments and build up their ranking that way, while aggressive players like Venus and Serena who put a lot of stress on joints with their style of play and running so hard (especially Serena). I'd include Maria in that. They know how to fill in their schedules for their body. Maria usually plays, what, about 18?
It's how you do with your schedule that matters. Venus's ranking of #3 is not particularly based upon slam performance (2R-3R-RU), but it's a combo with those results and wins in Acapulco and Dubai. She's probably the best example of how it really should be on the WTA, a good mix of results on both levels.

Pova: tournaments played by year:

2003: 18
2004: 20
2005: 15
2006: 15
2007: 13
2008: 9
2009: 7 not incl the USO

harloo
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:00 PM
ROTF!!!

Slow news day at the Open?

It's only Day 2 and nothing interesting is going on. So the media digs up Serena's comical Wimbledon interview about the #1 ranking to cause some imaginary controversy. I'm pretty sure they'll keep repeating the clip in hopes that something will stick.:tape:

As expected, Chris Fowler(in true gossiping queen fashion) blurts out the WTA told Serena not to talk about the #1 situation. You just know Chris was foaming at mouth when he heard about it. I'm pretty sure Mary Carillo will be weighing in throughout the Open.:rolleyes:

And more than likely, Serena wasn't told to do anything. She was politely asked not to speak about the #1 situation to which she agreed. You have to admit nothing monumental happened on day one. The media needs something to capture the attention of casual fans and when they couldn't get Serena to respond to the #1 debacle it was time to air the Wimbledon clip.

I wish people would just let this go. Even though Dinara sucks as #1, it's not that serious.

terjw
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:09 PM
Am I missing something?
When did anyone ever suggest that Serena "deserves" the number one ranking? :shrug:

Quite a few posters here believe that and in this thread (let alone the other thread on the subject) have said the rankings are a joke and the WTA should fix the rankings And they sure don't mean fix the rankings so Serena still comes out #2. :rolleyes:

Donny
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:13 PM
Fixing the rankings so it helps Serena? No, thanks.

Serena could retire today and the rankings system would still be ridiculous.

Donny
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:14 PM
Quite a few posters here believe that and in this thread (let alone the other thread on the subject) have said the rankings are a joke and the WTA should fix the rankings And they sure don't mean fix the rankings so Serena still comes out #2. :rolleyes:

Maybe because they feel Serena has the best 52 week results on tour?

terjw
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:16 PM
why Serena:rolleyes:
no one is saying that she has to be #1 she is okay with#2 but put someone else than Safina at #1

Sorry - this is a ridiculous post. Fix the rankings so that neither Dinara or Serena is #1. :lol::lol::lol: So who did you have in mind? Venus? Lena? Jelena? :lol::tape:

perseus2006
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:18 PM
The past two years DO NOT COUNT because she was injured. And also, I said about 18. I didn't mean literally 18:rolleyes:

The point of my post was that the players know what's best for them and they ideally should shoot for a good mix of results on both levels of the tour. Goodness gracious!!!!

Actually, I was supporting your argument! As Pova started to go deeper into tournaments, she cut back on the number of tournaments she played. The "injury" years of 2007 to 2009 were included for completeness.

Galsen
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:21 PM
Sorry - this is a ridiculous post. Fix the rankings so that neither Dinara or Serena is #1. :lol::lol::lol: So who did you have in mind? Venus? Lena? Jelena? :lol::tape:

why not? and I don't know why you're sorry . I don't think Jelena had that kind of awful match like this ( maybe one or two but not everytime). I didn't have someone in particular because if I say Serena people are gonna be crazy . I think we should remove the #1 seed

DefyingGravity
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:24 PM
Actually, I was supporting your argument! As Pova started to go deeper into tournaments, she cut back on the number of tournaments she played. The "injury" years of 2007 to 2009 were included for completeness.

Ah. Okay, sorry...nvm then!

terjw
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:29 PM
Maybe because they feel Serena has the best 52 week results on tour?

Can't you read I was replying to RVD who asked Am I missing something?
When did anyone ever suggest that Serena "deserves" the number one ranking? You should answer RVD not me because it's RVD who thinks that no-one here is suggesting that Serena deserves the #1 ranking

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:32 PM
I think it's a little fucked up because last year Jankovic got to number one without being in a slam final.
She hasn't had to deal with the same pressure that has been put on Safina.
Safina has been to two slam finals this year and a semi.

darrinbaker00
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:33 PM
The WTA should fix the rankings so we don't have to talk about it. They don't, so it's their problem.
Fix them how?

Donny
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:34 PM
Can't you read I was replying to RVD who asked You should answer RVD not me because it's RVD who thinks that no-one here is suggesting that Serena deserves the #1 ranking

I think anyone with Serena's results would have earned the top spot in a sane ranking system. It has nothing to do with Serena.

V's a star
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:36 PM
I think anyone with Serena's results would have earned the top spot in a sane ranking system. It has nothing to do with Serena.

I feel the same even though i have a strong dislike for her

darrinbaker00
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:37 PM
I think anyone with Serena's results would have earned the top spot in a sane ranking system. It has nothing to do with Serena.
What is your definition of a "sane ranking system," Donny?

terjw
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:39 PM
why not? and I don't know why you're sorry . I don't think Jelena had that kind of awful match like this ( maybe one or two but not everytime). I didn't have someone in particular because if I say Serena people are gonna be crazy . I think we should remove the #1 seed

Oh - so now you think players should be ranked according to what sort of match they had in R1 of this USO. :haha: And as for removing the #1 seed. Don't be stupid. So instead of a #1 seed - what would you have in that spot in the draw a completely random pick.:tape: :lol:

Donny
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:40 PM
What is your definition of a "sane ranking system," Donny?

A system that devalues final points relative to actual champion points would be nice. There shouldn't be a "second place" in tennis; there should be the winner, then everyone else. The rankings should reflect that.

Safina's two slam finals this year are worth more than Kuzzie's win at a slam. That's utterly ridiculous, imo.

That, and slams should be worth more.

AnnaK has a pretty good system, actually.

V's a star
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:41 PM
Oh - so now you think players should be ranked according to what sort of match they had in R1 of this USO. :haha: And as for removing the #1 seed. Don't be stupid. So instead of a #1 seed - what would you have in that spot in the draw a completely random pick.:tape: :lol:

i think it was a joke.......... atleast im hopeing. Sure wud solve all these arguments though :lol:

Matt01
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:43 PM
To be honest, I think the players know how their bodies will hold up best and they will schedule accordingly. Younger girls like Caroline can play 20-30 tournaments and build up their ranking that way, while aggressive players like Venus and Serena who put a lot of stress on joints with their style of play and running so hard (especially Serena). I'd include Maria in that. They know how to fill in their schedules for their body. Maria usually plays, what, about 18?


I'm quite sure that GOATniacki will burn out eventually if she keeps playing that ridiculous amount of MM tounreys she is playing now.

terjw
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:45 PM
I think it's a little fucked up because last year Jankovic got to number one without being in a slam final.
She hasn't had to deal with the same pressure that has been put on Safina.
Safina has been to two slam finals this year and a semi.

Only for 1 week - that didn't last. Jelena herself said she didn't feel like she'd earned it when she backed into it that one week. When she reached #1 again with a succession of wins - she'd got to the USO final.

Matt01
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:46 PM
why not? and I don't know why you're sorry . I don't think Jelena had that kind of awful match like this ( maybe one or two but not everytime). I didn't have someone in particular because if I say Serena people are gonna be crazy . I think we should remove the #1 seed


So Jankovic should be #1 now? :lol: Look at her Slam results this season. They are pathetic. Her only really good tournament this year was Cincy.

brickhousesupporter
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:20 PM
So Jankovic should be #1 now? :lol: Look at her Slam results this season. They are pathetic. Her only really good tournament this year was Cincy.
How can you forget about Marbella......?

spice_of_life
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:32 PM
:wavey: Hey Serena, don't lose 16 of 17 regular tour events and then maybe you'd be #1.

Havok
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:37 PM
Tennis fans know that Safina is the rightful #1 player right now even though she does not have any Slams to her name. Serena currently holds 3 of the 4 Grand Slams but she is non existent in regular tour events therefore does not desrve the top ranking in any way, shape or form. The reason being for the WTA telling Serena to keep her cool is because the casual tennis fans who only tune in for the Slams and keep on watching Serena hoisting up the trophy simply don't understand tennis and how the ranking system works. End.

AcesHigh
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:38 PM
Rankings are fine. This issue has been beaten to death, brought back to life and beaten to death again.

The people who have a problem with it just want Serena to be #1. They either (A) Have a strong dislike for Safina (ex. AnnaK) or (B) are a Serena fan

Tennisstar86
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:43 PM
Venus at #3 just had a Safina-like match yesterday! Safina is a head-case right now, that doesn't deny her talent. The top three are all very strong, but inconsistent, players.

Consider the top 5 players win/loss records for the year:
Safina: 52-12 81% matches won
Serena: 38-10 79% matches won
Venus: 32-10 76% matches won
Dementieva: 50-13 79% matches won
Jankovic: 37-13 74% matches won

I think it's clear from the data that there is no dominant player right now. Since Henin left the game there has been such a flux in women's tennis.

What about Serena's stretch of Marbella, Rome, Madrid. She lost her FIRST ROUND MATCH each tournament. Is it justifiable to have her at #1 and to loose THREE first round matches in a row?

You Obviously didnt watch the matches..... Venus' match did NOT look like that show Safina put on out there....:tape:

Dave.
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:45 PM
Rankings are fine. This issue has been beaten to death, brought back to life and beaten to death again.

The people who have a problem with it just want Serena to be #1. They either (A) Have a strong dislike for Safina (ex. AnnaK) or (B) are a Serena fan

Yep.

V's a star
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:49 PM
Rankings are fine. This issue has been beaten to death, brought back to life and beaten to death again.

The people who have a problem with it just want Serena to be #1. They either (A) Have a strong dislike for Safina (ex. AnnaK) or (B) are a Serena fan

Sorry to prove u wrong but that aint me. I just think if u have 3 of the 4 whoever u r shud be #1 tour event or no tour event

Tennisstar86
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:54 PM
Rankings are fine. This issue has been beaten to death, brought back to life and beaten to death again.

The people who have a problem with it just want Serena to be #1. They either (A) Have a strong dislike for Safina (ex. AnnaK) or (B) are a Serena fan

I dont want Serena to be #1... Safina is just an embarrassment... I mean being #1 means you're the best.... and the fact is when I looke at the top 4, Safina is 4th player I'd pick....meaning if she played Serena, I expect her to lose. If she played Venus, I expect her to lose If she played Dementieva, I expect her to lose. and that shouldnt be the case....

onyxrose81
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:56 PM
I do hate all the rankings talk. Serena would be number one if she didn't think the tennis year only consisted of the majors.

Donny
Sep 1st, 2009, 11:57 PM
Rankings are fine. This issue has been beaten to death, brought back to life and beaten to death again.

The people who have a problem with it just want Serena to be #1. They either (A) Have a strong dislike for Safina (ex. AnnaK) or (B) are a Serena fan

Not according to the poll on the US Open website.

AcesHigh
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:02 AM
I dont want Serena to be #1... Safina is just an embarrassment... I mean being #1 means you're the best.... and the fact is when I looke at the top 4, Safina is 4th player I'd pick....meaning if she played Serena, I expect her to lose. If she played Venus, I expect her to lose If she played Dementieva, I expect her to lose. and that shouldnt be the case....

The rankings are objective. They are based on results.

If Federer played Rafa, I'd expect him to lose...yet Rafa is #3 and Federer is #1. It's not about hypothetical matchups.

Neither is it about being the best player. Safina isn't the first #1 who was obviously not the best player on tour. It's happened before and it will happen again.

Rankings are based on RESULTS. They ignore what should be and produce a #1 based on a formula that, to be honest, is actually pretty sound. The only reason we're having this big crazy discussion is b/c of Serena, who throughout her career has been an anomaly in both good and bad ways. She's the only player I can remember who dominated slams but could not win a WTA event for the life of her.

So Dinara is not #1 b/c the system is faulty. Dinara is #1 b/c there is no way for the system to account for every scenario and this one with Serena is pretty bizarre.

Donny
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:05 AM
The rankings are objective. They are based on results.

If Federer played Rafa, I'd expect him to lose...yet Rafa is #3 and Federer is #1. It's not about hypothetical matchups.

Neither is it about being the best player. Safina isn't the first #1 who was obviously not the best player on tour. It's happened before and it will happen again.

Rankings are based on RESULTS. They ignore what should be and produce a #1 based on a formula that, to be honest, is actually pretty sound. The only reason we're having this big crazy discussion is b/c of Serena, who throughout her career has been an anomaly in both good and bad ways. She's the only player I can remember who dominated slams but could not win a WTA event for the life of her.

So Dinara is not #1 b/c the system is faulty. Dinara is #1 b/c there is no way for the system to account for every scenario and this one with Serena is pretty bizarre.

People disagree. And the people who disagree will complain until it gets changed. Same with equal prize money: Some didn't think there was a problem, others (like venus) did, and they made a stink till they got their way.

The problems people have with the system have been pointed out, again and again, and no one has a defense besides, "well Serena should play more!!!!11"

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:11 AM
71% of those people who voted on the pulse poll on espn today must have only been serena fans and annak4ever

Donny
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:13 AM
71% of those people who voted on the pulse poll on espn today must have only been serena fans and annak4ever

There's a contingent of posters on here who are obsessed with Serena fans, to the point of paranoia. They probably think their shadows are secret Serena fans by now. Really quite sad.

AcesHigh
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:21 AM
Tennis fans know that Safina is the rightful #1 player right now even though she does not have any Slams to her name. Serena currently holds 3 of the 4 Grand Slams but she is non existent in regular tour events therefore does not desrve the top ranking in any way, shape or form. The reason being for the WTA telling Serena to keep her cool is because the casual tennis fans who only tune in for the Slams and keep on watching Serena hoisting up the trophy simply don't understand tennis and how the ranking system works. End.

Just making sure no one missed this. The casual fan who only pops in to watch the US Open or the slams is obviously going to see something wrong. However, there's much more to tennis than the slams. They aren't even WTA events. So it would seem a little strange if the WTA #1 has no WTA titles in the last 52weeks

AcesHigh
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:22 AM
People disagree. And the people who disagree will complain until it gets changed. Same with equal prize money: Some didn't think there was a problem, others (like venus) did, and they made a stink till they got their way.

The problems people have with the system have been pointed out, again and again, and no one has a defense besides, "well Serena should play more!!!!11"

The only problem you can point out is that we should weight slams more heavily.
Well, they already increased slam points recently.

And your opinion that finalists should be awarded less is purely a subjective one.

There's not much you can do with the system. And no one on the WTA is fighting the ranking system as far as I can tell. If you have any information about players fighting the system, please let me know.

Donny
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:28 AM
The only problem you can point out is that we should weight slams more heavily.
Well, they already increased slam points recently.

And you're opinion that finalists should be awarded less is purely a subjective one.

There's not much you can do with the system. And no one on the WTA is fighting the ranking system as far as I can tell. If you have any information about players fighting the system, please let me know.

Well, yes. It's completely subjective. As is the current scheme of awarding points. Your defense amounts to "The WTA's opinion is right, yours is wrong" Which is silly, especially when the WTA has motive to be biased AGAINST grand slam events, because as you said, they are not WTA run tournaments.

They also have an incentive to reward quality over quantity. Just look at the US Open series: Anyone who played less than three events, regardless of the points they received, is ineligible to receive a bonus. That quality over quantity taken to its logical extreme.

And as for the players "fighting" the ranking system: Apparently, the WTA thought enough of Serena's comments to tell her to stop. What does that tell you?

DefyingGravity
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:58 AM
Isn't this the same ranking system that was in place when Justine was playing? Wasn't she number one? Okay then, what do you have to do to be a dominant number one.....OH, that's right play a smart schedule of 15-18 tournaments and train to peak at the big ones, but don't treat the smaller ones like a walkabout. Kthnxbye

supergrunt
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:00 AM
if Serena wins this one she'll have 3 titles- tied w/ Safina, and she still wound't be #1... there's something wrong with that :(

brickhousesupporter
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:04 AM
Isn't this the same ranking system that was in place when Justine was playing? Wasn't she number one? Okay then, what do you have to do to be a dominant number one.....OH, that's right play a smart schedule of 15-18 tournaments and train to peak at the big ones, but don't treat the smaller ones like a walkabout. Kthnxbye

And what happened to her......kthnxbye

Black Mamba.
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:32 AM
IMO the reason the WTA won't and shouldn't change the ranking system is the same reason College football won't and shouldn't get rid of the BCS. The more we debate and talk about the ranking system the more exposure women's tennis gets which means more viewers which means more $$$$$. If you don't believe me look at the BCS. Every year in college football an undefeated school from a lower ranked conference gets passed in the rankings by by a 1 or 2 loss team from a higher conference and the school from the lesser conference never gets an opportunity to play for the national championship. We complain about the system, Congress gets involved, but ultimately the issue dies until it happens the very next year.

With the decreasing quality of the tennis being produced on the court, this rankings issue is only helping provide the sport with even more exposure and as they say "the only bad exposure is no exposure at all".

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:33 AM
the wta tour's rules and regulations are a fucking joke.


speak up, baby!

RVD
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:16 AM
Quite a few posters here believe that and in this thread (let alone the other thread on the subject) have said the rankings are a joke and the WTA should fix the rankings And they sure don't mean fix the rankings so Serena still comes out #2. :rolleyes:And this post is exactly what I'm talking about.

Where in this thread have posters suggested fixing the ranking so that Serena will be #1?

And how is it that you know what I'm thinking when I'm not even thinking it?
Do you know what "Projecting" mean?
Well, you're clearly projecting fella.

You and Matt01 are the ONLY ones who've even gone "there" in this thread.
Go figure.

RVD
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:20 AM
why not? and I don't know why you're sorry . I don't think Jelena had that kind of awful match like this ( maybe one or two but not everytime). I didn't have someone in particular because if I say Serena people are gonna be crazy . I think we should remove the #1 seedBasically like he just did, and you didn't even mention Serena. But guess what, terjw knows what you're thinking, so be wery wery qwarful. :lol:

Havok
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:20 AM
if Serena wins this one she'll have 3 titles- tied w/ Safina, and she still wound't be #1... there's something wrong with that :(
No there isn't. Serena would have her 3 titles, a Miami finals appearance and a handful of SF/QF results. Safina meanwhile would have 3 titles and a shitload of finals, SF and QF appearances.

IF Serena wants the no 1 spot back, all she needs to do is PLAY tour events and actualy CARE while she is playing them. Right now Serena is really only showing up to the Slams so she has no right to constantly bring up nor discuss the ranking issue. It's clear that she is going for glory to raise her tally of GS titles won which is completely fine. She just needs to learn how to leave the rankings out of it, and so does 75% of this board.:o

RVD
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:47 AM
Tennis fans know that Safina is the rightful #1 player right now even though she does not have any Slams to her name. Serena currently holds 3 of the 4 Grand Slams but she is non existent in regular tour events therefore does not desrve the top ranking in any way, shape or form. The reason being for the WTA telling Serena to keep her cool is because the casual tennis fans who only tune in for the Slams and keep on watching Serena hoisting up the trophy simply don't understand tennis and how the ranking system works. End.Aside from the four slams, Serena play Miami, the Bank of the West Classic, Cincinnati, and also Toronto.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of you people?!

RVD
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:49 AM
Rankings are fine. This issue has been beaten to death, brought back to life and beaten to death again.

The people who have a problem with it just want Serena to be #1. They either (A) Have a strong dislike for Safina (ex. AnnaK) or (B) are a Serena fanPosting pure Rubbish as usual I see.

RVD
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:52 AM
There's a contingent of posters on here who are obsessed with Serena fans, to the point of paranoia. They probably think their shadows are secret Serena fans by now. Really quite sad.:worship: :worship:
That's all I ever see donny.
And it's usually the same old yahoos who are doing the Serena fan (and Serena) slamming. :rolleyes:

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:56 AM
Surely the WTA is either happy with its ranking system, in which case they should let Serena say what she wants at her own expense, or they are not happy about the system - recognise that Serena is right and should therefore act on changing the system accordingly. Freedom of expression Serena, know your rights girl ;)

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:59 AM
:worship: :worship:
That's all I ever see donny.
And it's usually the same old yahoos who are doing the Serena fan (and Serena) slamming. :rolleyes:

honestly that's why i just come into these threads and have a good laugh...aces and his/her/its crew come in being "know it all and objective" yet their pure hatred of all things serena and her fans blinds them to the fact that even casual tennis fans are laughing at the wta ranking system...i mean those 71% of people that voted on that pulse poll on espn today saying they don't think safina deserves the #1 rank couldn't possibly be ALL serena fans who ONLY want serena to be #1 :lol:

tobi
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:10 AM
:wavey: Hey Serena, don't lose 16 of 17 regular tour events and then maybe you'd be #1.

Rankings are fine. This issue has been beaten to death, brought back to life and beaten to death again.

The people who have a problem with it just want Serena to be #1. They either (A) Have a strong dislike for Safina (ex. AnnaK) or (B) are a Serena fan
Good to see some sensable posts out there.

All Williams fans arguing about the system just because Serena isnt ranked #1. :tape:

She will get there easily if she takes tour events serious enough.

new-york
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:15 AM
The talking should be done on court. :)

DefyingGravity
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:21 AM
Honestly like I said earlier, the players know what's best for their bodies and their games. If they want to schedule 12-14 events, it's their business. And Serena's just obviously not stepped it up on the tour level, but when was that ever different? Even when she won that Miami - Charleston - semis of Berlin streak, she wasn't really giving a Grand Slam Serena effort in those. Serena knows a) what her body can handle and b) when she needs to step it down to preserve for a Grand Slam showing.

Would I suggest the Serena approach to a new player. Yes and no. I wouldn't want them to play Wozniacki - Jankovic 2007 amount of tournaments of 20-30...hell no, they'd burn out so fast.

If they had the capacity to pull a Justine and play 18 tournaments and play well in all of them, then by all means, go ahead, but that's such a rare feat.

Venus right now with her ranking at #3 and sad to say Dinara at #1 is the best example of how to schedule well. Dinara has played 12, the USO being her 13 for the year and she's done very very consistently, getting to the semis of all but....Dubai and Toronto. Venus is also being very consistent despite not winning a major this year, losing early at RG , Madrid, Cincinatti, Toronto, and AO but replacing some of those points with Acapulco, Dubai, Miami, and Stanford. It's not been the most fantastic year, but we have to admit it's been one of her most consistent for a while!

That's how I would schedule, more like Venus with the intent of Serena, to peak at the majors.

The WTA rankings could be improved, but I see just as cutting down the tournament requirement for the ranking (18) to about 15 or so, so that more players could have their worst resuls thrown out but without having to play as much.

joz
Sep 2nd, 2009, 04:11 AM
I see nothing wrong with the request if they did ask. One of the tour's biggest stars is mocking the tour...laughing when talking about tournaments like Rome and Madrid. What sponsor would stay with a tour that allows one of its biggest stars to mock those tournaments in front of the worldwide media... hinting (through laughter\ and rolling the eyes) that those tournaments are not worthy tournaments. WTA's looking at money from sponsors here... and in the end... if it loses sponsors, the biggest stars of the game will lose too.

serenafan08
Sep 2nd, 2009, 04:15 AM
:lol: Serena's racquet will say all that needs to be said. Safina's almost sent her home today.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 2nd, 2009, 04:39 AM
Good to see some sensable posts out there.

All Williams fans arguing about the system just because Serena isnt ranked #1. :tape:

She will get there easily if she takes tour events serious enough.

Nice from a Mod'. :rolleyes: Wait, maybe you're a Mod' on the MEN'S Tennis Forum. I couldn't really tell from your Av' and Sig' :shrug:




RVD, ANARENA, DonnyD', you all have it right as usual.

It's so easy to pin the criticism of the rankings system on partisan bias, but it's very clear when you listen to the commentary and see the polls that many others feel the same way.

It seems to me that the people who rant and rave in FAVOR of the system are well known, documented Serena HATERS. Hypocrisy, thy name is "Aces..." and many others.

Me, personally, I couldn't give a damn about the rankings except for a source of comedy. (poor Dinara :sad: :hug: ).

Serena could be ranked 81st and, as long as she's winning slams, I don't give a crap.




Oh..., wait..., she WAS ranked 81st and winning slams! :lol: Serena J. Williams :worship:

HeninFan_2008
Sep 2nd, 2009, 04:52 AM
This thread proves why I hate Williams fans.

Kunal
Sep 2nd, 2009, 04:56 AM
enough about this already

drake3781
Sep 2nd, 2009, 05:25 AM
Like the wta will make serena shut up, serena makes the wta shut up, not the other way around.


I knew I would find this reply here, just was curious who would be the first to write it, and how many replies before it appeared.

Aneres (Btw, do you have any clothing from that line? I am dying to get a piece or two.)

And at post #16

Lindsayfan32
Sep 2nd, 2009, 06:05 AM
Should that WTA ban Serena from talking about the ranking. Hell yeah. All she seems to do is bitch about it. Serena can get the number 1 ranking if she's willing to play more outside the slams. You can't play the four slams and another 8 tournaments outside the slams and expect to be number 1. Even though being the hold of three out of the last four slams you should hold the number 1 ranking anyway. I'm glad the WTA gaged her it's about bloody time they did it come to think of it.

RagingBull99
Sep 2nd, 2009, 07:18 AM
Richard Williams Impressed with Dinara 'Sanowa, or Whatever Her Name Is'

http://www.observer.com/2009/richard-williams-impressed-dinara-sanowa-or-whatever-her-name

:haha:

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 10:12 AM
How can you forget about Marbella......?


:lol:

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 10:26 AM
The problems people have with the system have been pointed out, again and again, and no one has a defense besides, "well Serena should play more!!!!11"


Are you mentally underexposed? :tape:

The problem with Serena's results outside at the Slams, as have been pointed out again and again, is that she simply sucks. Four losses in a row at WTA tournaments. No WTA tournament won in over 80 weeks or so...
Those are her real problems, and not that she's playing not enough.

RVD
Sep 2nd, 2009, 10:59 AM
Nice from a Mod'. :rolleyes: Wait, maybe you're a Mod' on the MEN'S Tennis Forum. I couldn't really tell from your Av' and Sig' :shrug:




RVD, ANARENA, DonnyD', you all have it right as usual.

It's so easy to pin the criticism of the rankings system on partisan bias, but it's very clear when you listen to the commentary and see the polls that many others feel the same way.

It seems to me that the people who rant and rave in FAVOR of the system are well known, documented Serena HATERS. Hypocrisy, thy name is "Aces..." and many others.

Me, personally, I couldn't give a damn about the rankings except for a source of comedy. (poor Dinara :sad: :hug: ).

Serena could be ranked 81st and, as long as she's winning slams, I don't give a crap.




Oh..., wait..., she WAS ranked 81st and winning slams! :lol: Serena J. Williams :worship:And you are also to be commended for your courage under fire as a Serena fan. :worship:

It seems the pot is always on boil when it comes to all things Serena.
Haters know they can't stop talking about Serena because secretly they wished that their faves were winning slams as often as she does, and received as much press. Hell, even the sports journalists can't stop fabrication stories about our girl, and demanding quotes.
How many years have the worthless commentators tried to provide the rest of the WTA players with insight and advice on how to beat a Williams? And how often did they disparage them?
How often did a Williams shut them down and make them eat crow?
New rules are created to force them to play, and they're still powerful and bold enough to say "Kiss my azz!"

Not a single Hater on this board can argue with Serena's 11 Slam title results, or Venus's 7. :haha:
These living legends are still playing when so-called greats are snorting cocaine, having babies, quitting in their prime, or are just plain injured and burnt out. :help:
I love being a Serena fan, and I love even more defending her, because it's so easy to do.
Al we have to do is say 11 slam titles, then ask them how many their faves have. :lol:
The discussion pretty much ends right there. :tape:

RVD
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:02 AM
This thread proves why I hate Williams fans.And your post proves why you can't stop thinking about us Williams fans and the sistas. :tape:
Go ahead, say their names some more. You know you can't help it.
You freak'n dream about us. :haha: :devil:

volta
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:04 AM
This thread proves why I hate Williams fans.

im sure the Williams fans are all now in fetal position crying over such harsh statement...

"Williams fans", gosh that's so trendy :inlove:

Olórin
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:04 AM
There are some funny people on this board :lol:

volta
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:07 AM
There are some funny people on this board :lol:

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/ga/ul/433007587931/inlineimg/Y/trolls06c.jpg

lots of them setting Williams fans straight :sad:

Olórin
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:09 AM
Oh they're so hot.

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:10 AM
And you are also to be commended for your courage under fire as a Serena fan. :worship:

It seems the pot is always on boil when it comes to all things Serena.
Haters know they can't stop talking about Serena because secretly they wished that their faves were winning slams as often as she does, and received as much press. Hell, even the sports journalists can't stop fabrication stories about our girl, and demanding quotes.
How many years have the worthless commentators tried to provide the rest of the WTA players with insight and advice on how to beat a Williams? And how often did they disparage them?
How often did a Williams shut them down and make them eat crow?
New rules are created to force them to play, and they're still powerful and bold enough to say "Kiss my azz!"

Not a single Hater on this board can argue with Serena's 11 Slam title results, or Venus's 7. :haha:
These living legends are still playing when so-called greats are snorting cocaine, having babies, quitting in their prime, or are just plain injured and burnt out. :help:
I love being a Serena fan, and I love even more defending her, because it's so easy to do.
Al we have to do is say 11 slam titles, then ask them how many their faves have. :lol:
The discussion pretty much ends right there. :tape:


I guess you are not even noticing anymore what kind of ridiculous crap you are putting out :haha:

volta
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:11 AM
Richard Williams Impressed with Dinara 'Sanowa, or Whatever Her Name Is'

http://www.observer.com/2009/richard-williams-impressed-dinara-sanowa-or-whatever-her-name

:haha:
oh nice words from Richard even if he didn't know her name :lol:

Oh they're so hot.

and fresh and trendy :hearts: and they are all fighting against the injustice of this World :inlove:

RVD
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:29 AM
Should that WTA ban Serena from talking about the ranking. Hell yeah. All she seems to do is bitch about it. Serena can get the number 1 ranking if she's willing to play more outside the slams. You can't play the four slams and another 8 tournaments outside the slams and expect to be number 1. Even though being the hold of three out:bs: Are you saying that a player can't play and win all four slams and also win eight tier 1s and win all of those also, and not reach #1 ?!
What the hell are you people smoking??!?!??!

Maybe you should qualify that statement with some credible facts like how far down the ranks you'd have to be for this to be impossible.

The 4 slams are worth a total of 8,000 points (2000 each) alone.
Some of you people talk nothing but pure crap.

For you geniuses out there...
As of August August 31, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/rankings?sport=WOMRANK
Serena currently has 8907.0 points associated with her ranking.
Dinara Safina currently has 9810.0 points.
That's a difference of 903 ranking points.
Now if Serena had played and won 3 of her previous events, and defended her title here, are you suggesting that she would not have become #1 ?!?!

You people are so full of hate that you can't think straight. :rolleyes:

Kutuzova
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:33 AM
good...serena is annoying...shes number 2...i think everyone should let her know

GeeTee
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:44 AM
I think I have worked out a new system to correct the rankings and all this arguing :angel:

NEW WTA TOUR RANKINGS CRITERIA

* MUST compete in at least four tournaments throughout the year
* Best results from top six (6) tournaments
* Bonus points if your sister is playing in the same tournament
* Double points if you play your sister in a Grand Slam
* Double points if you play doubles with your sister
* Double points if you don't play Indian Wells
* Double points if you have over 1/2 a million people following your tweets



Using these rules, Im proud to announce the slightly revised current top 10:

1 Serena Williams USA
2 Venus Williams USA
3 Agnesza Radwanska POL
4 Alona Bondarenko UKR
5 Katryna Bondarenko UKR
6 Dinara Safina RUS
7 Urszula Radwanksa POL
8 Elena Dementieva RUS
9 Jelena Jankovic SRB
10 Svetlana Kuznetsova RUS

Hopefully everyone's happy now!!
:haha:

Olórin
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:48 AM
good...serena is annoying...shes number 2...i think everyone should let her know

I have a feeling she is aware of this fact, Einstein.

volta
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:48 AM
good...serena is annoying...shes number 2...i think everyone should let her know

she already knows, and the last time she talked about the rankings she said that she was happy with being #2 and that that's her place.
You avoided that interview on purpose or it's just a case of selective memory? :awww:

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:53 AM
she already knows, and the last time she talked about the rankings she said that she was happy with being #2 and that that's her place.


And you seriously believe that? I don't.

IMO Serena thinks that she is the best player, should be number one, regularly beats herself and her opponents hit lucky shots.

Olórin
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:58 AM
And you seriously believe that? I don't.

IMO Serena thinks that she is the best player, should be number one, regularly beats herself and her opponents hit lucky shots.

If you want to second guess Serena's actual words that's your prerogative. However, please don't pretend that your opinions are objective and formed from anything other than your biased dislike of Serena.

volta
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:05 PM
And you seriously believe that? I don't.

IMO Serena thinks that she is the best player, should be number one, regularly beats herself and her opponents hit lucky shots.

w/e i believe in and w/e you believe in doesn't matter :shrug: the only fact here is that she said that she is happy with #2 and that that's where she belongs, those were her last words about the rankings.

if she says she's #1 ppl complain , if she says she's happy with being #2 ppl complain ...

every single player should feel like they are the best in the world, that they are the true #1. Why put your foot on the court if your going to think that on the other side of the net there is someone who is better then you and therefore you have low chances of winning?

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:16 PM
If you want to second guess Serena's actual words that's your prerogative. However, please don't pretend that your opinions are objective and formed from anything other than your biased dislike of Serena.


I'm not "guessing" Serena's actual words. She has said most of those things I mentioned in actual interviews, so those are also her actual, real words. And I don't pretend to be objective, but at least I'm trying, and since I'm neither a fan nor a hater of Serena (unlike you who is a clear biased fan) I'd say that my opinions of her are most of the time not that far off.

brickhousesupporter
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:19 PM
Richard Williams Impressed with Dinara 'Sanowa, or Whatever Her Name Is'

http://www.observer.com/2009/richard-williams-impressed-dinara-sanowa-or-whatever-her-name

:haha:
Good it seems things are going back to the way they were....They can ask Serena not to talk about it, but they can not stop Richard.:tape:

terjw
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:20 PM
I think I have worked out a new system to correct the rankings and all this arguing :angel:

NEW WTA TOUR RANKINGS CRITERIA

* MUST compete in at least four tournaments throughout the year
* Best results from top six (6) tournaments
* Bonus points if your sister is playing in the same tournament
* Double points if you play your sister in a Grand Slam
* Double points if you play doubles with your sister
* Double points if you don't play Indian Wells
* Double points if you have over 1/2 a million people following your tweets



Using these rules, Im proud to announce the slightly revised current top 10:

1 Serena Williams USA
2 Venus Williams USA
3 Agnesza Radwanska POL
4 Alona Bondarenko UKR
5 Katryna Bondarenko UKR
6 Dinara Safina RUS
7 Urszula Radwanksa POL
8 Elena Dementieva RUS
9 Jelena Jankovic SRB
10 Svetlana Kuznetsova RUS

Hopefully everyone's happy now!!
:haha:

:lol::lol:

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:21 PM
if she says she's #1 ppl complain , if she says she's happy with being #2 ppl complain ...


Are you still talking to me? Because I didn't complain. I was only trying to figure out her actual opinion about the topic at hand. There's nothing wrong with thinking that you are the best player when you have won 11 Slam titles. Making fun of the ranking system and of players who actually bother to make an effort not only at the Slams but also at the regular WTA tourneys is of course another thing...

mykarma
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:24 PM
10+ pages coming up :drive:

i'm so over this ranking thing :o just :yawn:
Congrats on being the first to begin the 10+ pages.

mykarma
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:28 PM
They Just Aired Part Of The Press Conference!!!!

Serena Looked Like A Bitch On National Tv!
How does one look like a bitch?

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:34 PM
Are you still talking to me? Because I didn't complain. I was only trying to figure out her actual opinion about the topic at hand. There's nothing wrong with thinking that you are the best player when you have won 11 Slam titles. Making fun of the ranking system and of players who actually bother to make an effort not only at the Slams but also at the regular WTA tourneys is of course another thing...

Dont take things so personally. Serena did not insult Safina, she laughed at the situation - which however much you complain is not doing the WTA, Safina, or the other women any favours.

bandabou
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:37 PM
If it's true, I applaud it. Enough already. Serena isn't walking the walk, so she shouldn't talk so much either.

rockstar
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:39 PM
I think I have worked out a new system to correct the rankings and all this arguing :angel:

NEW WTA TOUR RANKINGS CRITERIA

* MUST compete in at least four tournaments throughout the year
* Best results from top six (6) tournaments
* Bonus points if your sister is playing in the same tournament
* Double points if you play your sister in a Grand Slam
* Double points if you play doubles with your sister
* Double points if you don't play Indian Wells
* Double points if you have over 1/2 a million people following your tweets



Using these rules, Im proud to announce the slightly revised current top 10:

1 Serena Williams USA
2 Venus Williams USA
3 Agnesza Radwanska POL
4 Alona Bondarenko UKR
5 Katryna Bondarenko UKR
6 Dinara Safina RUS
7 Urszula Radwanksa POL
8 Elena Dementieva RUS
9 Jelena Jankovic SRB
10 Svetlana Kuznetsova RUS

Hopefully everyone's happy now!!
:haha:

you left out bonus points for a memoir and a wax figure :(

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:39 PM
Dont take things so personally. Serena did not insult Safina, she laughed at the situation - which however much you complain is not doing the WTA, Safina, or the other women any favours.


She laughed when she mentioned that Safina won Rome and Madrid. Very disrespectful IMO.

And it's also in Serena hands to solve the situaion. But apparently she doesn't want to bother making efforts at the WTA tourneys (or she isn't capable of doing that which would be qute sad considering she is the "real number one and everyone knows it").

And again, I'm not taking things personally or want to come across as a complainer. I'm only trying to analyze the situation and figure out Serena's actual opinion.

jade001
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:40 PM
Dont take things so personally. Serena did not insult Safina, she laughed at the situation - which however much you complain is not doing the WTA, Safina, or the other women any favours.

OMG, she didn't insult Safina, yeah, but she laughed at her, and it's like an insult. Seriously, try to be objective sometimes:rolleyes:

bandabou
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:44 PM
I'm not "guessing" Serena's actual words. She has said most of those things I mentioned in actual interviews, so those are also her actual, real words. And I don't pretend to be objective, but at least I'm trying, and since I'm neither a fan nor a hater of Serena (unlike you who is a clear biased fan) I'd say that my opinions of her are most of the time not that far off.

Ok, fair enough.. now a test of how unbiased you really are. Did Justine cheat/lie/ act unsportsmanlike in her match against Serena at the '03 RG by raising her hand and then denying that she did so?

bandabou
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:44 PM
And you seriously believe that? I don't.

IMO Serena thinks that she is the best player, should be number one, regularly beats herself and her opponents hit lucky shots.

:lol: Kinda funny..

jade001
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:47 PM
:lol: Kinda funny..

Kinda true.

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:47 PM
OMG, she didn't insult Safina, yeah, but she laughed at her, and it's like an insult. Seriously, try to be objective sometimes:rolleyes:

So she found it funny that the #1 has won 0/3 of the big events while Serena has won 2/3. Also, Safinas total beatdowns in big events utterly undermine her capability as the number one. I find it funny too, actually.

When Serena struggled in matches, people were out posting '' Look at the 'real number one' '' and I think they should take an equally hard look at Safina.

She laughed when she mentioned that Safina won Rome and Madrid. Very disrespectful IMO.

And it's also in Serena hands to solve the situaion. But apparently she doesn't want to bother making efforts at the WTA tourneys (or she isn't capable of doing that which would be qute sad considering she is the "real number one and everyone knows it").

And again, I'm not taking things personally or want to come across as a complainer. I'm only trying to analyze the situation and figure out Serena's actual opinion.


Serenas opiion is obvious - she is the one coming out on top when the two clash on the world stage. She is the one that the international media sees winning and scooping up the slams and the majority of fairweather slams know virtually nothing about Safina, yet alone that shes the #1. Serena clearly believes winning 3 of the last 4 majors is good enough to be recognised as the number 1.

Just Do It
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:51 PM
Chris Fowler said when summarizing the Dinara match, that Serena was told by the WTA to not talk about the rankings and the number 1 situation. What do you think, should they be allowed to censure players like this? Does this not make them look bad......?

No, but Serena should seriously shut up since she doesnt give a damn about non GS titles. ( $$$ )

mykarma
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:54 PM
You Obviously didnt watch the matches..... Venus' match did NOT look like that show Safina put on out there....:tape:
Plus it was obvious that Venus was injured and she's not number one.

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:56 PM
Ok, fair enough.. now a test of how unbiased you really are. Did Justine cheat/lie/ act unsportsmanlike in her match against Serena at the '03 RG by raising her hand and then denying that she did so?


That has nothing to with this thread. You can use the search funtion to get to know my opinion about that topic.

bandabou
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:57 PM
Kinda true.

:secret:

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 12:59 PM
Serenas opiion is obvious - she is the one coming out on top when the two clash on the world stage.


Yeah, her opinion is obvious. But the truth is also that Safina beat Serena at a Tier I tournament last year.

bandabou
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:00 PM
That has nothing to with this thread. You can use the search funtion to get to know my opinion about that topic.

Ok..I'll get back at you..Hoped you'd save me some time.

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:04 PM
Yeah, her opinion is obvious. But the truth is also that Safina beat Serena at a Tier I tournament last year.

Damn! Safina = GOAT! No questions asked.

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:06 PM
Damn! Safina = GOAT! No questions asked.


No, she's the real Number One. No questions asked.

jade001
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:08 PM
So she found it funny that the #1 has won 0/3 of the big events while Serena has won 2/3. Also, Safinas total beatdowns in big events utterly undermine her capability as the number one. I find it funny too, actually.

Serena can say whatever she wants, she is just pissed off because she can't reach the spot, no matter how many GS she win. And I know Safina sucks at N1, bu seriously with the way Serena is playing out of slams, she better stay N2. I don't want a N1 who is showing up only 4 times in a year, so glad Maria is coming back:)

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:16 PM
No, she's the real Number One. No questions asked.

Yeh she must be if she beat Serena in a Tier I :spit:
Hey, long may it last if she keeps eating up bagels and breadsticks from my faves in the latter stages of slams :drool:

Serena can say whatever she wants, she is just pissed off because she can't reach the spot, no matter how many GS she win. And I know Safina sucks at N1, bu seriously with the way Serena is playing out of slams, she better stay N2. I don't want a N1 who is showing up only 4 times in a year, so glad Maria is coming back:)

Yeah coz Maria playing lots outside of slams has done her the world of good :yeah: Months out in rehab, surgery, her longevity in question already. Sounds like a great plan for Maria to play week in, week out and we will see where she is in 5 years time.

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:18 PM
Yeh she must be if she beat Serena in a Tier I :spit:
Hey, long may it last if she keeps eating up bagels and breadsticks from my faves in the latter stages of slams :drool:


Did you count how many breadsticks Serena got this year at WTA tournaments? True number one my ass :worship:

jade001
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:21 PM
Yeh she must be if she beat Serena in a Tier I :spit:
Hey, long may it last if she keeps eating up bagels and breadsticks from my faves in the latter stages of slams :drool:



Yeah coz Maria playing lots outside of slams has done her the world of good :yeah: Months out in rehab, surgery, her longevity in question already. Sounds like a great plan for Maria to play week in, week out and we will see where she is in 5 years time.

Don't worry for her, Maria is finding her form and her level atm, just a matter of time before she gets the top spot, and I don't think Serena can stop her, she can't even stop Safina:lol:

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:24 PM
Did you count how many breadsticks Serena got this year at WTA tournaments? True number one my ass :worship:

No I didnt, but I dont take any notice of matches whilst injured or tank jobs anyway. You keep your tally of breadsticks, and I will keep my tally of slams :wavey:

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:26 PM
Don't worry for her, Maria is finding her form and her level atm, just a matter of time before she gets the top spot, and I don't think Serena can stop her, she can't even stop Safina:lol:

Maria played a decent match against an opponent playing terribly and already her fans are claiming shes gonna be #1 :spit: Lets just hope she can avoid the likes of Dulko on grass and perhaps she will have a shot :rolls:

Bijoux0021
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:34 PM
Don't worry for her, Maria is finding her form and her level atm, just a matter of time before she gets the top spot, and I don't think Serena can stop her, she can't even stop Safina:lol:
:lol: You're so pathetic. Obviously, you're one of those serena's haters who never learned. :o

What is the point of Serena stopping Sharapova from getting the top spot when #81 ranked Serena can humiliate #1 ranked Sharapova 6-1 6-2 and 6-1 6-1? :help:

jade001
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:40 PM
Maria played a decent match against an opponent playing terribly and already her fans are claiming shes gonna be #1 :spit: Lets just hope she can avoid the likes of Dulko on grass and perhaps she will have a shot :rolls:

This match means nothing to me, I know what Maria is capable, and surely she can take the N1 spot, and I know deep down in you, you know it:lol:

jade001
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:41 PM
:lol: You're so pathetic. Obviously, you're one of those serena's haters who never learned. :o

What is the point of Serena stopping Sharapova from getting the top spot when #81 ranked Serena can humiliate #1 ranked Sharapova 6-1 6-2 and 6-1 6-1? :help:

Don't.

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 01:42 PM
This match means nothing to me, I know what Maria is capable, and surely she can take the N1 spot, and I know deep down in you, you know it:lol:

Yes of course deep down I know Sharapova can, in the same way I know Brie Whitehead CAN take the top spot. It doesnt mean I think she will. Sharapova isnt even into the 2nd week yet. Lets see how this slam plays out.

BuTtErFrEnA
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:17 PM
:lol: You're so pathetic. Obviously, you're one of those serena's haters who never learned. :o

What is the point of Serena stopping Sharapova from getting the top spot when #81 ranked Serena can humiliate #1 ranked Sharapova 6-1 6-2 and 6-1 6-1? :help:

mashafaaan never learns :lol: pwnage of the highest order

this is nonsense anyways...didn't serens say she doesn't care about being #1 once she can win slams?? let safina be the real #1...from the looks of her twitter and facebook pages serena doesn't even comment on the #1 ranking, which means she's not obsessing like some of the people here are or want to make it seem like serena is :lol:

Tenis Srbija
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:30 PM
Yeah, like people from WTA can tell Serena not to do something haha...

Br'er Rabbit
Sep 2nd, 2009, 02:57 PM
Like someone can really tell Serena what to do please. Serena doesn't need a number to show how great she is she just is, so who cares if Safina is number 1? Serena doesn't.

bandabou
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:08 PM
Yeh she must be if she beat Serena in a Tier I :spit:
Hey, long may it last if she keeps eating up bagels and breadsticks from my faves in the latter stages of slams :drool:

It's cool..Matt forgot to tell that Dina then beat Juju at that same tournament, in what resulted to be juju's last match!! Seemed like Juju couldn't cope with losing to Dina.

At least Serena took the loss..and Dina hasn't been close to beating Serena ever since.

serenus_2k8
Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:13 PM
It's cool..Matt forgot to tell that Dina then beat Juju at that same tournament, in what resulted to be juju's last match!! Seemed like Juju couldn't cope with losing to Dina.

At least Serena took the loss..and Dina hasn't been close to beating Serena ever since.

Very true. Serena would never up and quit like Henin did, but then again Serena doesnt cheat either :shrug:

Havok
Sep 3rd, 2009, 01:05 AM
Aside from the four slams, Serena play Miami, the Bank of the West Classic, Cincinnati, and also Toronto.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of you people?!

You completely misunderstood what I wrote. She is non existent on regular WTA Tour events meaning she has not put up the solid results to warrant the top ranking. Out of all the regular Tour stops she has made this season, she made the finals of Miami, and the semis of Toronto and Dubai. Some other decent results at smaller events, but that's all she has done this year which is horrible considering she has already played in 13 events this in 2009.

jade001
Sep 3rd, 2009, 02:04 AM
this is nonsense anyways...didn't serens say she doesn't care about being #1 once she can win slams?? let safina be the real #1...from the looks of her twitter and facebook pages serena doesn't even comment on the #1 ranking, which means she's not obsessing like some of the people here are or want to make it seem like serena is :lol:

Nothing to learn coming from WS fans:rolleyes: always showing up with 6162 6161 in every discussion, well, I'm telling you sth, Maria moved on, as if it was hard to pummel Shoulderpova in 2007:rolleyes: anyway, and you think Serena doesn't give a shit about N1, that's what she says, but why is she always laughing at Safina and always making nasty comments about her N1 spot.

MisterMan
Sep 3rd, 2009, 07:43 PM
This is hysterical. The woman hasn't won a regular WTA tournament since early 2008 and people think she should be Number 1 ? Are you kidding me ? Shouldn't the number 1 player win a regular tournament in the past 18 months ??? LoL.

HeninFan_2008
Sep 3rd, 2009, 07:53 PM
There are only 4 events that matter in a year. Everything else is fluff.
/SerenaTard

sweetpeas
Sep 3rd, 2009, 08:47 PM
Your'll doing the same thing too!You must prove it first.Any video?

RVD
Sep 3rd, 2009, 11:53 PM
You completely misunderstood what I wrote. She is non existent on regular WTA Tour events meaning she has not put up the solid results to warrant the top ranking. Out of all the regular Tour stops she has made this season, she made the finals of Miami, and the semis of Toronto and Dubai. Some other decent results at smaller events, but that's all she has done this year which is horrible considering she has already played in 13 events this in 2009.I read it and understood it exactly as you wrote it. :shrug:
But thanks for the necessary explanation. :wavey:
I have nothing else to say on the matter though. I know where Serena stands because she made statements particular to this issue. Now if people here choose to not take her at her word, then... :shrug: again.

mykarma
Sep 4th, 2009, 01:34 AM
LOL - yeah, Serena withdraws from matches, she tanks matches and she lies about her withdrawal from matches (obviously before Larry Scott made the new rules), so instead of lying that she's hurt or ill, she now tanks, which I think is much worse.

Now I know with posters like yourselves who are no older than 12, you are thinking "you are a Serena fan and you talk like this". Yes, I am a Serena fan, but I am also a realistic Serena fan and I'm also not a 12 year old who really doesn't know anything about life (like yourself), I do not live in a fantasy world and make up things in my head like yourself and certain other fans of Serena do, I don't live for Serena, like yourself and others on here - I love her tennis, I love her personality and I like her, but I'm not a fanatic like yourself, so I can see what's really going on.

I can see what she's doing and I admit that she does it, which doesn't mean to say that I don't think she's the best female tennis player of this generation, I just think she lies and tanks matches, which is just about the same as cheating - doesn't make me not a fan - I see what's going on - I don't tell myself that she's perfect when she's not - she tanks and she lies and if you were older and not a 12 year old, you'd also see it.

As I've said in my previous post, when you mature you'll be highly embarrassed about the things you've said on this message board, but until then, you won't even see how sad the things you say are and how it reflects on you - which is very, very sad.

Are you younger than 12?
I had to check your profile to see if you were also younger than 12.

V's a star
Sep 4th, 2009, 02:14 AM
Nothing to learn coming from WS fans:rolleyes: always showing up with 6162 6161 in every discussion, well, I'm telling you sth, Maria moved on, as if it was hard to pummel Shoulderpova in 2007:rolleyes: anyway, and you think Serena doesn't give a shit about N1, that's what she says, but why is she always laughing at Safina and always making nasty comments about her N1 spot.

60 60 IW :lol: sry had to

skanky~skanketta
Sep 4th, 2009, 02:35 AM
Hopefully RebelRena shows up and tells them all like it is.

Volcana
Sep 4th, 2009, 02:37 AM
as if it was hard to pummel Shoulderpova in 2007:rolleyes:She finished 2007 ranked #5, won San Diego, went 40-11 for the year. Yeah she had a couple bad losses, but that isn't the record of a player that was easy to 'pummel'.

serenus_2k8
Sep 4th, 2009, 11:16 AM
LOL - yeah, Serena withdraws from matches, she tanks matches and she lies about her withdrawal from matches (obviously before Larry Scott made the new rules), so instead of lying that she's hurt or ill, she now tanks, which I think is much worse.

Now I know with posters like yourselves who are no older than 12, you are thinking "you are a Serena fan and you talk like this". Yes, I am a Serena fan, but I am also a realistic Serena fan and I'm also not a 12 year old who really doesn't know anything about life (like yourself), I do not live in a fantasy world and make up things in my head like yourself and certain other fans of Serena do, I don't live for Serena, like yourself and others on here - I love her tennis, I love her personality and I like her, but I'm not a fanatic like yourself, so I can see what's really going on.

I can see what she's doing and I admit that she does it, which doesn't mean to say that I don't think she's the best female tennis player of this generation, I just think she lies and tanks matches, which is just about the same as cheating - doesn't make me not a fan - I see what's going on - I don't tell myself that she's perfect when she's not - she tanks and she lies and if you were older and not a 12 year old, you'd also see it.

As I've said in my previous post, when you mature you'll be highly embarrassed about the things you've said on this message board, but until then, you won't even see how sad the things you say are and how it reflects on you - which is very, very sad.

Are you younger than 12?

:rolls: Of course you're a Serena fan :rolls:

Adaora
Sep 4th, 2009, 12:43 PM
I love her, but Yeah She needs to be more consistent outside the slams or shut the hell up!