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Borris
Sep 1st, 2009, 04:37 PM
She said in an interview on sporza.be

It is possible to break somebody down by slicing a lot?

It appears that a lot of girls nowadays don't know how to handle slice. It that because it's just
so hard to counter slice, or just that the girls don't train enough on it?

Maybe coaches should incorporate it much more in their training, how to counter BH slices?

Anyway, if you can't handle slice, like Dokic today, it's really a lack of technique, and therefore Flipkens was the deserved winner of this match, just because she simply outplayed Dokic!

SVK
Sep 1st, 2009, 04:38 PM
Of course it“s possible, did you see Vinci???

Elwin.
Sep 1st, 2009, 04:42 PM
Flipper did her homework well. :yeah: Before the match Kim texted her as well with some tips.
She obviously knew that she would have to slice a lot to break Dokic and it happened.

Jelena just couldn't handle those slow/low slices of Flipper.

Noctis
Sep 1st, 2009, 04:42 PM
Vinci :shrug:
Jelena led 4-2 2nd set she can win it
if she was fitter and more practice
the slice did gave het problelms

joćo.
Sep 1st, 2009, 04:44 PM
:lol: at this. Trying hard to make it look like she "won" the match.

Borris
Sep 1st, 2009, 04:52 PM
Well, quotes like 'I lost against myself' are more inreasonable, because normally you have like two players on court, and if can't score enough points, it means you were unable to handle whatever your opponent gave you.

You can only lose against yourself if you're playing against a wall, but at the same time you also win against yourself... (if there's a loser, there's a winner, no?)

whatever, this is another discussion...

$uricate
Sep 1st, 2009, 05:24 PM
It's possible if you're playing Dokic :o

Patrick345
Sep 1st, 2009, 05:28 PM
Of course it is possible, but it is also just another way of saying: "I kept the ball in play until she made an error", but it sounds way cooler when you say it her way. :worship::worship:

Uranium
Sep 1st, 2009, 05:34 PM
Flipper did her homework well. :yeah: Before the match Kim texted her as well with some tips.
She obviously knew that she would have to slice a lot to break Dokic and it happened.

Jelena just couldn't handle those slow/low slices of Flipper.

That bitch and a few days earlier she hit with Dokic, that sneak:o:lol:

The Dawntreader
Sep 1st, 2009, 05:40 PM
Any player with a grip like Dokic's will find it hard getting under a good slice backhand.

That's why Venus Williams for example used to struggle against Novotna and Graf.

HenryMag.
Sep 1st, 2009, 05:55 PM
She also did this last year against Safarova at Estoril Open, and it was clay...Safarova struggled with Flipkens' slices.

LCS
Sep 1st, 2009, 05:57 PM
Dokic was just wild on her groundies...it was bad out there...:tape:

youizahoe
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:17 PM
:lol: at this. Trying hard to make it look like she "won" the match.

Well it doesn't matter, she's in the next round and jelena is out. SO technically she did won the match.

Tenis Srbija
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:38 PM
Not only it's possible, it's very doable :)

cn ireland
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:40 PM
I don't mean any disrespect to Flipkens at all, but Jelena beat herself yesterday!!

Her terrible serving, impatience on the groundstrokes and a lack of fight are the reasons that Flipkens is in R2!

belzebub
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:43 PM
Her terrible serving, impatience on the groundstrokes and a lack of fight are the reasons that Flipkens is in R2!

After all this was a battle between two could-have-beens ...

cn ireland
Sep 1st, 2009, 06:58 PM
After all this was a battle between two could-have-beens ...

Maybe but Dokic reached a GS QF this year so she's still producing good results!

$uricate
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:03 PM
Jelena hates playing players like this.

Its almost exactly like when she lost to Ioana back in Warsaw. She has no match play and comes up against someone who slices and gets a lot of balls back and she goes for broke and fails.

When she played Sprem at FO though I knew she had a chance, Jelena plays well against players who play like she does.

I honestly think she would have had a better chance against Safarova, Rezai, Na or someone like that :shrug:

Borris
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:06 PM
I don't mean any disrespect to Flipkens at all, but Jelena beat herself yesterday!!

Her terrible serving, impatience on the groundstrokes and a lack of fight are the reasons that Flipkens is in R2!

You mean Flipkens forced Dokic to serve well, to play patiently and to fight till the bitter end, three things she obviously didn't manage to do. Looks like Flipkens was the better player then...

I'm sure Dokic wouldn't have 'beaten herself' if she played me (btw my tennis really sucks) yesterday...

Just Do It
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:23 PM
Of course it is when you kill the game.

davidmario
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:29 PM
you won't find angle when you have to return slice because it stays really low. you have to topspin it because it's lower than the net. It is really risky to hit a winner off a slice as most of you might know.

The Crow
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:30 PM
Slice can be a great weapon. Graf and Henin could hit beautiful slice balls.

However, you should have other weapons as well. Which Kirsten has as well (serve, net play,...)

jrm
Sep 1st, 2009, 07:32 PM
See some old Pisnik's matches - deadliest alice on tour :D

Don't think you need a slice (or anything) to broke down Djokic these days!

DokicToServe
Sep 1st, 2009, 08:41 PM
Well I really don't think that if Jelena was fit she would get broken by a slice-game. Anyway...

Beat
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:44 PM
of course it's possible, if your slice is good. not enough players are exploiting this great shot.

:lol: at this. Trying hard to make it look like she "won" the match.

erm, she did win the match, you know.

DefyingGravity
Sep 1st, 2009, 09:45 PM
Yes, it's very very possible to break down someone's game with slice....Conchita Martinez, Tina Pisnik, Justine Henin, and Steffi Graf could all do it very effectively. It's incredibly hard to return it into the court AND with pace. You usually end up having to pick one of those, or return it with :help: another slice, that usually doesn't behave like the first one, and can end up in the net or a floating shot. The further down you step from the pro game, the more effective it becomes, especially slice lobs.

LoveFifteen
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:04 PM
What's up with people in this thread acting like slicing is just what talentless hacks do to keep the ball in play? Last time I checked, many talented players, including Federer, use slice as a weapon. Someone as limited as Dokic has a lot of trouble with slice because she just wants to be running along the baseline hitting everything as hard as she can.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:11 PM
Well in this case it's impossible because Dokic's game is already broken down.
You can't break down something that doesn't work in the first place. :tape:

LoveFifteen
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:18 PM
All these girls love to end points by blasting backhands down the line. What better way to throw that off than to slice to their backhands?

F-R-E-A-K
Sep 1st, 2009, 10:50 PM
:rolls:

Unfortunately Jelena beat herself :help: BUT credit to Flipkens for just keeping the ball into play. :)