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Noctis
Aug 30th, 2009, 12:28 AM
Well Shes my friend.
You see shes 18 Now shes been in england for 4 Years Now. when shes 14 Came here very Lively and kind.
She made all alot of friends and have a Job ready to go to University
She just got her A Levels

Than Came this sad news
Shes going to be Kick out of UK,Goverment not allow her to stay.
She has done nothing wrong except the fact being too busy.
Her mum was pregnant was about to give birth,So everyone would be busy.The Letters for the tax credits builds up and her family was given a warning.Than after her mum 1st day back after giving birth.
they were told they had to leave the UK on 2nd september also for not updating they rights to remain during that period.She Cried and Cried.
but She act nothing was happening when she see us.I dont know what Can I do
shes depressed.Shes gunna retstart her life struggling again in China And dont know if shes can continue her studies or her life ruin and get a job now.Her mum and dad lose her job too.they pay the lawyer 3000 pounds for nothing.Given fake hopes.

I mean what can you do in this situation?

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo337/Jialucheng/5734_1203183007511_1466687278_30-1.jpg
Taken after she got her results

Adrian.
Aug 30th, 2009, 09:14 AM
:awww::awww::awww:

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 30th, 2009, 09:23 AM
Poor girl.:( But there are rules to be abide.:shrug: Too bad.:hug:

Kart
Aug 30th, 2009, 10:15 AM
I'm not going to be mean because she's your friend but her life won't end in China will it ? :shrug:

It'll be just a new chapter in her life and she'll adapt eventually.

Noctis
Aug 30th, 2009, 01:06 PM
But I mean in china everyone studies is really hard.Her Chinese might not catch up.She start over and really behind.And might not able to go to university.The weather got alot hotter and has changes alot.She doesn't have much friends now.So if she were not to go to University,She need to get a job which could be difficult.She got a bright future She studies so hard.It's just for me and her other friends so Sad..

*JR*
Aug 30th, 2009, 01:23 PM
I don't know the English law on this, but in the US exceptions have been made for ppl who are considered assets to the country and have legally become adults. (Don't know if that will help her parents, but if your immigration ppl have such leeway she might get a compassionate waiver)

The first thing she ought to do is immediately get letters of reference from her school principal and employer, etc. etc. and take those (along with the university acceptance letter) to her MP. If she's done any public service volunteer work, letters from those organizations too.

Kart
Aug 30th, 2009, 05:01 PM
But I mean in china everyone studies is really hard.Her Chinese might not catch up.She start over and really behind.And might not able to go to university.The weather got alot hotter and has changes alot.She doesn't have much friends now.So if she were not to go to University,She need to get a job which could be difficult.She got a bright future She studies so hard.It's just for me and her other friends so Sad..
Why can't she go to university in the UK ?

She just needs to get a university place and a student visa. Her parents are obviously going to have to pay for it but they would have had to anyway as she's not a British citizen.

It just means a short term return to China until she gets her visa sorted.

Her parents, obviously, are going to have to stay in China though.

Noctis
Aug 30th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Just my parents says it very difficult to come back for her.The rules are more strict.

Kart
Aug 30th, 2009, 05:06 PM
It's not that hard.

As long as her parents are willing to pay, the UK welcomes foreign students :shrug:.

She just needs to get a place at university - should be straightfoward with her A-levels - and then apply for a visa.

drake3781
Aug 30th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Maybe her parents felt it was for the best to return to China, so they didn't do their renewals? They must have known they cannot stay without the proper documentation? It may have even been subconscious - this way they don' have to choose to return (could be too hard to make that choice, especially with the daughter, whose life will be hurt by the change), but allow the move to be forced upon them.

I do agree due to her age, she may be able to work something out where she can stay.

Williamsser
Aug 30th, 2009, 07:58 PM
If the renewals were that important, then why did her parents neglect them?

Noctis
Aug 30th, 2009, 08:06 PM
If the renewals were that important, then why did her parents neglect them?

Theres letters telling informing to renewal.But only her dads at home during that time,Her mum in hospital giving birth and she was taking care of her mum going to college and working at the same time,But he doesnt understand English he thought it was some kind of copy of rent/bill ignore it and forgot to tell anyone Now left it too late

Noctis
Aug 30th, 2009, 08:11 PM
It's not that hard.

As long as her parents are willing to pay, the UK welcomes foreign students :shrug:.

She just needs to get a place at university - should be straightfoward with her A-levels - and then apply for a visa.

they are thinking of an idea to let her stay at our house.
But my parents cant let her due to thats it is illegal without permission to stay in Uk.

Right now the lawyer sended a letter to The people who work on this issues but if doesnt work they had to all go.

She was so depress at Work today.. She drop the meals on the floor thinking something

Noctis
Aug 30th, 2009, 09:26 PM
*JR* not act like the bureaucrats control everything, and get an MP involved in obtaining residency for your friend?

Reply' She sended a letter read above waiting for reply' Thanks.
I Open thread to find any more solutions.

*JR*
Aug 30th, 2009, 09:36 PM
*JR* not act like the bureaucrats control everything, and get an MP involved in obtaining residency for your friend?

Reply' She sended a letter read above waiting for reply' Thanks.
I Open thread to find any more solutions.
No, no, no re the letter being enough! Every British MP has what they call "surgery" generally every week. Here thats only a medical term, in the UK it means in person service to the MP's constituents. If she's serious about staying, she'll get together the stuff I mentioned in post #6 above and go there in person. (If her school principal where she got all A's will go there with her, thats even better) Stop acting like a wuss. :rolleyes:

Noctis
Aug 30th, 2009, 09:50 PM
She will get a hearing most likely after the letter sended there.
all you stuff mention in there would be used in the hearing.
but the time is short she might be kick out the week after or so.
The principal cannot leave,But she ask that hearing for a letter of approval.
So wll see.She has nt don any volunteer work but her mum did.
She got no reply about Visa Yet.
they still hasnt got the right to stay in Uk.Usually it is autmatic after 5 years but rules about to change things is more strict.Maybe she should get more help from a petition or such.does being in a special Chinese Orchestra count? in Liverpool Pagoda.Shes been on BBC Before

*JR*
Aug 30th, 2009, 10:17 PM
She will get a hearing most likely after the letter sended there.
all you stuff mention in there would be used in the hearing.
but the time is short she might be kick out the week after or so.
The principal cannot leave,But she ask that hearing for a letter of approval.
So wll see.She has nt don any volunteer work but her mum did.
She got no reply about Visa Yet.
they still hasnt got the right to stay in Uk.Usually it is autmatic after 5 years but rules about to change things is more strict.Maybe she should get more help from a petition or such.does being in a special Chinese Orchestra count? in Liverpool Pagoda. Shes been on BBC Before
The BBC thing might, not sure about the music stuff. In the meantime you've been totally "non-responsive" (almost to the point of being evasive, like this whole story was made up) in terms of why she won't go see the local MP in person, @ the member's weekly "surgery".
:confused:

Theres letters telling informing to renewal.But only her dads at home during that time,Her mum in hospital giving birth and she was taking care of her mum going to college and working at the same time,But he doesnt understand English he thought it was some kind of copy of rent/bill ignore it and forgot to tell anyone Now left it too late
This further calls your whole story into question; logically, the father would have had "Anne" reviewing all English mail except maybe catalogs and circulars. Apologies if this isn't all a big troll, but I've seen too many here to discount the possibility that this is one more.
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drake3781
Aug 30th, 2009, 11:31 PM
Theres letters telling informing to renewal.But only her dads at home during that time,Her mum in hospital giving birth and she was taking care of her mum going to college and working at the same time,But he doesnt understand English he thought it was some kind of copy of rent/bill ignore it and forgot to tell anyone Now left it too late


No offense,and I know you are only looking for help, but what they are telling you about this cannot be the whole truth or anywhere close to it.

They should have known - if staying in the UK is important to them - how long their stay is granted, and should have known what steps they needed to take when the time came. Then, long before the deadline, they should have been doing the necessary things.

I mean, it is their responsibilty and they should have been proactive about it.

Not waiting for a letter, and not ignoring official mail.

And there would have been multiple letters, not just one in the short period the mother was in hospital.

And even that one letter, she should have seen when she came home. People are only in the hospital for a few days having a baby, and if they are there longer for any reason, they can ask for the mail to be brought to the hospital.

Also the one letter would be sent in sufficient time. So if the mother looked at it when she got home, she would have plenty of time to get the updates done.

I just wanted to tell you this, because you should have some sense about your friend and her family's responsibilities, that this was their job to take care of, and not that something bad is happening randomly to them. Or that they should be making excuses about.

One more question - is it possible the fact that they are having babies in England any kind of problem? I mean, they have leave to be there, for a certain number of people, for a certain period of time, right? Maybe the government doesn't want them expanding their family there?

All that being said, the fact that your friend is 18 may help her in staying. Just a matter of her figuring out what to do and how to do it.

Also there may be some kind of emergency extension that they can apply for, to give them more time to get their documents in order.

Kart
Aug 30th, 2009, 11:56 PM
Theres letters telling informing to renewal.But only her dads at home during that time,Her mum in hospital giving birth and she was taking care of her mum going to college and working at the same time,But he doesnt understand English he thought it was some kind of copy of rent/bill ignore it and forgot to tell anyone Now left it too late

The problem is that this isn't a good enough excuse to stay in the UK.

She can't stay in the UK if she's not got a visa. She has to go home. It's not as if she can claim asylum so it's inevitable - perhaps you should start trying to help her prepare herself for it mentally instead of giving her false hope.

I feel sorry for her ultimately, she is a Chinese citizen. So her resident country is China and she's here at the UK's discretion.

Immigration is a very hot and touchy subject in England at the moment. Look at all the press we've had for parties like the BNP and the capital they've made on it.

With the amount of political sensitivity on these kinds of stories, you're going to be hard pressed to get much flexibility, or indeed, sympathy from the officials. They've most likely heard all these kind of excuses before.