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JeLeNaJfAn
Aug 16th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Congrats Black/Huber:kiss:
Great 2nd set for the Spaniards but what was in the M-TB?:eek:
Terrible:sad:

Good Luck next week in Toronto

Mark_LLMGP
Aug 16th, 2009, 06:54 PM
:sad::sad:Great match Nuriajo!! Black and Huber are far more experienced.. but fantastic second set. :worship:

good luck in Toronto, tough draw there:bounce:

nevetssllim
Aug 16th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Nuriajo :sad: Good effort girls though :kiss:

Blu€
Aug 16th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Nuriajo :o great second set to throw it away in the super tie break! Anyways great week :p

Dave.
Aug 16th, 2009, 08:26 PM
5th title of the year :woohoo: :dance: 27th title for them this week then, 37th final, 57th semi-final, 8th Tier I title, 10th hardcourt title, all in 3 seasons, goes on and on and on. :bowdown:

Again, Cara and Liezel come through decisevely in a tie-break when everything is at stake. It's just a great ability they have to raise their game like that. They are true champions. :worship:

Well done to Nuria/Maria-Jo for getting a bagel in there (:eek:) and of course on another successful week for them. It's only a matter of time before they get one of these big ones themselves. :hug:

CrossCourt~Rally
Aug 16th, 2009, 09:50 PM
Its nice to see Bluber scalp a USO Series title right before the USO :bounce:

Still a nice run for MS/Vives :)

ArturoAce.
Aug 16th, 2009, 10:34 PM
nice job cara and liezel :banana:

jelenafan stole my avy :p

CrossCourt~Rally
Aug 16th, 2009, 11:01 PM
nice job cara and liezel :banana:

jelenafan stole my avy :p

:haha:

spiceboy
Aug 17th, 2009, 12:42 AM
5th title of the year :woohoo: :dance: 27th title for them this week then, 37th final, 57th semi-final, 8th Tier I title, 10th hardcourt title, all in 3 seasons, goes on and on and on. :bowdown:

Again, Cara and Liezel come through decisevely in a tie-break when everything is at stake. It's just a great ability they have to raise their game like that. They are true champions. :worship:


Don't take it personally, but they have to be one of the most overrated teams ever. I mean, they have got such a big lead in points by playing A LOT (actually, no other team have played as many tournaments as them this year) and being regular but nothing like great...

Having played a total of 16 WTA events so far this year, they have reached JUST 5 finals (winning all of them, yeah) but none of them Grand Slam finals which sounds a bit of a joke. Specially when you see no other big teams commited enough or simply not good as them -in theory- and still they manage to lose against players not that extraordinary.

Safina has played 14 tournaments so far this year, playing 8 finals (winning 3 of them) but still she played in 2 GS finals and she is still getting the harshest treatment.

Black/Huber is a fine combo, surely the best these days (the best who takes doubles seriously, of course) but nothing extraordinary, believe me :p

The Kaz
Aug 17th, 2009, 01:23 AM
I hate the super TB...Nuriajo :sobbing:

WTA bring back REAL doubles with a FULL third set!

Dave.
Aug 17th, 2009, 02:16 AM
Don't take it personally, but they have to be one of the most overrated teams ever. I mean, they have got such a big lead in points by playing A LOT (actually, no other team have played as many tournaments as them this year) and being regular but nothing like great...

Having played a total of 16 WTA events so far this year, they have reached JUST 5 finals (winning all of them, yeah) but none of them Grand Slam finals which sounds a bit of a joke. Specially when you see no other big teams commited enough or simply not good as them -in theory- and still they manage to lose against players not that extraordinary.

Safina has played 14 tournaments so far this year, playing 8 finals (winning 3 of them) but still she played in 2 GS finals and she is still getting the harshest treatment.

Black/Huber is a fine combo, surely the best these days (the best who takes doubles seriously, of course) but nothing extraordinary, believe me :p



This year in the slams, no they haven't reached a final but they are the only team to reach the QF's or better at all of them. And unlike Safina, they are current grand slam champions (USO) so I don't think that's a fair comparison. Safina wouldn't get any of the treatment she gets from some people if she had won a slam. Plus in singles it's very close at the top, and we have Serena with 3/4 slams. In doubles, nobody is near Black/Huber, it's not even close, so they shouldn't get any bad treatment because there is no other team that "should" be no.1 (like people say Serena "should" be no.1 in singles).

Now, I do agree that in 2009 there haven't been as many threatening teams to them as before but that's somewhat due to the many switches that take place. Peschke/Stubbs were good together in 2007 and beat Black/Huber twice but it didn't last and 2008 was a worse year for them. Raymond/Stosur were the previous no.1 team but again 2008 was not their best year. So we have the changeups in 2009 and Peschke/Raymond or Stosur/Stubbs are still very new. Wheras Black/Huber now have 3+ years of experience which gives them a HUGE edge. But it's not their fault they're the only team that lasted. As for people not taking it seriously, the majority of the top 10 are doubles specialists so of course they take it seriously. Plus we have many singles players who commit and stay to play doubles (like Williams sisters who have re-commited to doubles for the first time in years and stay in tournaments even if it's just to play doubles like Serena recently in Stanford, or Medina, Radwanska, Azarenka, Zvonareva, Llagostera, Martinez etc. etc.).

So yes, they have not been the most impressive in 2009 (although still very good!) but just look at their 2008 and 2007 seasons. In 2007, they made the SF of 21/22 tournaments, winning 9 incl. 2/4 slams. In 2008, they won 10 titles from 14 finals. And in the process seeing off many great teams, many of which have had to change because they weren't beating Cara/Liezel in the first place. They are well on course for a 3rd straight no.1 year which makes the late 2000's the "Black/Huber era" if you like, which puts them as one of the all-time great teams and IMO they are "extraordinary" ;).

I might go overboard when celebrating their victories but I don't think I'm overrating them as in saying they're the best ever or anything like that. There are obviously teams that have been alot better like Fernandez/Zvereva, Navratilova/Shriver, Vivi/Paola...

CrossCourt~Rally
Aug 17th, 2009, 02:47 AM
Dave. :worship:

spiceboy
Aug 17th, 2009, 03:02 AM
Wheras Black/Huber now have 3+ years of experience which gives them a HUGE edge.

That's exactly what I mean...that HUGE edge is not showing anywhere this season. 5 finals in 16 tournaments played?? That's pretty bad for the number #1 team in the world. SF/QF/QF in Grand Slams? Sorry, that's pretty bad also for the #1 team in the world.

Many singles players seriously commited this year? Take the best singles players of the world:

#1 Safina - NO
#2 Williams *
#3 Williams *
#4 Dementieva NO
#5 Jankovic NO
#6 Kuznetsova NO
#7 Zvonareva YES (but injured most of the season and playing like 50% now)

*You say that the Williamses are re-commited for the first time in years...so playing the 3 GS and Stanford this year shows a big commitment? :tape: Yeah, instead playing like 2 GS per year they'll play the 4 of them and maybe a couple of other tournaments. That's all. Not my idea of commitment, honestly.

After all this bitching :p, I actually agree with most of your reasoning*, it is very refreshing to see some fans in GM not feeling attacked and getting agressive and hysterical when just giving an opinion about their faves :)

*Seeing Black/Huber as one of the all-time great teams is a bit :tape: IMO, maybe I'm too picky but even Vivi/Paola are a step behind of Navratilova/Shriver or Fernandez/Zvereva let alone the African duo...

ArturoAce.
Aug 17th, 2009, 06:51 AM
hmmm...is it weird that i agree with both of you guys :unsure:

we finally have a decent discussion in doubles forum :bounce:

pwayne
Aug 17th, 2009, 10:22 AM
Good opinions given in this thread without going into hostile areas

Dave.
Aug 17th, 2009, 12:17 PM
That's exactly what I mean...that HUGE edge is not showing anywhere this season. 5 finals in 16 tournaments played?? That's pretty bad for the number #1 team in the world. SF/QF/QF in Grand Slams? Sorry, that's pretty bad also for the #1 team in the world.

Many singles players seriously commited this year? Take the best singles players of the world:

#1 Safina - NO
#2 Williams *
#3 Williams *
#4 Dementieva NO
#5 Jankovic NO
#6 Kuznetsova NO
#7 Zvonareva YES (but injured most of the season and playing like 50% now)

*You say that the Williamses are re-commited for the first time in years...so playing the 3 GS and Stanford this year shows a big commitment? :tape: Yeah, instead playing like 2 GS per year they'll play the 4 of them and maybe a couple of other tournaments. That's all. Not my idea of commitment, honestly.

After all this bitching :p, I actually agree with most of your reasoning*, it is very refreshing to see some fans in GM not feeling attacked and getting agressive and hysterical when just giving an opinion about their faves :)

*Seeing Black/Huber as one of the all-time great teams is a bit :tape: IMO, maybe I'm too picky but even Vivi/Paola are a step behind of Navratilova/Shriver or Fernandez/Zvereva let alone the African duo...


Well yeah Black/Huber have not had their best year (especially compared to 07-08) so I guess it does need a bit of explaining as to why they are still no.1 by such a large margin, it should be discussed. You make interesting points so of course I'm not gonna be aggressive about it. ;) (it's not like you posted Liezel's a bitch or something like that which many others around here seem to always do :o)



Anyway, 2009 for them has 5 titles + 4 semi-finals + 1 quarter-final (AO) = 10/16 "good" tournaments. In their 4 SF defeats they have lost to Dechy/Dellacqua (2008 Wimbledon semi-finalists) and Stosur/Stubbs (a top 5 team), and the two SF's in grand slams: At the French they lost to Medina/Ruano (unbeaten there in 08-09) and at Wimbledon they lost to WS (unbeten there in 08-09, and 4 times winners), so even for a no.1 team I don't think we can complain about losing to those teams at those slams. At AO they lost to Hantuyama in a match they should have won but again Hantuyama are not the worst team to lose to.

So yeah that's 10/16 tournaments they have done alright or well at. Of their 6 "bad" tournaments they have lost in the 1R or 2R to:

Hantuchova/Sugiyama x2 (eventual finalists in Rome)
Kleybanova/Niculescu
Kuznetsova/Mauresmo (eventual winners)
Mattek/Petrova (eventual winners)
Chan/Niculescu (eventual finalists)

The only "embarrasing" losses there for a no.1 team are the ones to Niculescu, but even she has been improving alot in doubles this year. The others were all simply very tough draws to have that early in tournaments which is what happens in doubles draws sometimes. Yes they should have won some of them and perhaps won more tournaments but any no.1 team has their losses too, they've just had a few more in 09. Their true great years and any "overrating" of them comes mainly from 2007-2008. 2009 has still been good, and is not over yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they do get up to 8-10 titles by the end of year.

Black/Huber this year still have a winning record over Mattek/Petrova (3-1), Llagostera/Martinez (3-0), Peschke/Raymond (2-0), Stosur/Stubbs (2-1) so even though they have a few bad losses they still manage to usually beat the other best teams when they face them which is what any good no.1 team does.

Ok maybe not many of the top singles players are commited to doubles but some of them don't really matter much anyway. :shrug: What I know is most of the top doubles teams, including the ones I listed that Cara/Liezel have winning records over, are commited, even when they play singles too.


:lol: Well it's difficult to place any team near Martina/Pam or Gigi/Nat. But I mean with this decade nearly over if we're going to look back and think who were the best teams I think Vivi/Paola and Cara/Liezel would definitely have to be mentioned. And if we look now Cara is around second place all time for most weeks at no.1, they are both climbing up the list for most titles too etc. etc. I think they certainly have made their place in history.

Sorry my replies are so long. :tape: