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Balltossovic
Jul 14th, 2009, 03:43 PM
Please Vote YES for a new name or vote NO to keep the current one:)

spiritedenergy
Jul 14th, 2009, 04:38 PM
voted:kiss:

Mixo
Jul 14th, 2009, 04:45 PM
Voted YES. But "Beauty and her Beast" must be an option in the next poll, maybe I like it more than the other options...

Balltossovic
Jul 14th, 2009, 04:57 PM
Voted YES. But "Beauty and her Beast" must be an option in the next poll, maybe I like it more than the other options...
If the majority of the vote is positive for a change, then Beauty and her Beasts will not be an option because the vote was to get rid of it:shrug:

gaviotabr
Jul 14th, 2009, 05:00 PM
Voted.

I guess if we don't reach any consensus, which I hope we do, we should go for the neutral Ana Ivanovic until we actually get a name most people like and that doesn't raise too much opposition.

jelenacg
Jul 14th, 2009, 05:43 PM
Voted :)

Polikarpov
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Voted.

Mixo
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:14 PM
If the majority of the vote is positive for a change, then Beauty and her Beasts will not be an option because the vote was to get rid of it:shrug:

I want to change the name, but I prefer Beauty and her Beast to Anapolis or Ana's Bananas xD For example.

I think it should be an option. But if you dont...

Balltossovic
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:23 PM
I want to change the name, but I prefer Beauty and her Beast to Anapolis or Ana's Bananas xD For example.

I think it should be an option. But if you dont...
I understand:lol:

The reason I don't think it should be made an option is because the whole purpose of doing this is because we want to change it. If the vote is for change then why have the name we're trying to get rid of in the options:shrug:

I think if we can't reach an agreement like Izzy said it should just be Ana Ivanovic:)

Cp6uja
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:27 PM
7 days is probably too long period for such simple question (3-4 days will be enough)... but at least supporters of option which will lose in this poll will have less arguments to protest.

Here is my two cents what to do with this Poll final results:

If wins "NO" option we should to stop any action for this subforum name change at least before end of current season (november).

If wins "YES" option with over 2/3 votes (67%+) we should request from forum administration to "reset" this forum name immediately - back to basic/default Name Surname form (Ana Ivanovic in this case), so if we in upcoming new name election process during this summer pause not find "winner" from any reason, at least this outdated and irritating "Beauty and her Beasts" will not stay anymore like Ana's forum name till next name-change process (probably next off-season pause). Remember that main reason for this name-change action here is because many of Ivanovic fans here is unhappy with current name... not because we find some much better - so if this poll final result will be very clean, with changing current name already next week (with initial/temporary "Ana Ivanovic") we will already finish half of our job! If "YES" option wins in this Poll, but with less than 2/3 of all votes - "Beauty and her Beasts" should stay during election process and also deserve to have status of serious candidate for re-election (to stay).

Mixo
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:28 PM
I understand:lol:

The reason I don't think it should be made an option is because the whole purpose of doing this is because we want to change it. If the vote is for change then why have the name we're trying to get rid of in the options:shrug:

I think if we can't reach an agreement like Izzy said it should just be Ana Ivanovic:)

No, I prefer to be agree with you than a simple Ana Ivanovic as thread name :lol:

Mixo
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:30 PM
and also deserve to have status of serious candidate for re-election (to stay).

:worship::worship::worship:
:lol:
:bounce:

Balltossovic
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:32 PM
I don't understand the reason behind including Beauty and her Beasts:confused:

If the majority of the voters want to a new name then why should the name that the majority want to change be included in the voting process:confused: The purpose of the vote is to "Get a NEW sub-forum name"
If we vote to get a new name the old one is no longer an option:shrug:

Balltossovic
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:38 PM
I also forgot to add the poll will stay at seven days to give people who don't log on everyday a chance to vote:)

Mixo
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Yes, Fistpumpovic (I love your nick name :drool:) I want to change the name but, MAYBE, I dont like the options (as I said I dont like Anapolis, for example) in that case I would like to stay with the current name "Beauty and her Beasts".


Sorry for my English, if you dont understand me well ;)

spiritedenergy
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:42 PM
I also forgot to add the poll will stay at seven days to give people who don't log on everyday a chance to vote:)

Yes but what Cp6uja meant was that if the no in this poll gets a lot of votes, then Beauty and her beasts would still have a lot of supporters and it should be included. I think if the winning margin of yes is > 50% (i.e. > 10 to 5, 20 to 10, etc.), then Beauty and Her Beasts should be dumped forever:kiss:

Cp6uja
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:43 PM
I don't understand the reason behind including Beauty and her Beasts:confused:

If the majority of the voters want to a new name then why should the name that the majority want to change be included in the voting process:confused: The purpose of the vote is to "Get a NEW sub-forum name"
If we vote to get a new name the old one is no longer an option:shrug:Because it's not same if that option (which i don't want to repeat again :devil:) get in this Poll about 45% of votes, or for example about 25%. I don't like current name, but With for example over 40% votes in this poll I think they deserve 2nd chance for sure and to be one of options/contenders for subforum new name... but with for example just 25% or even less votes here we don't need to wait end of New-Name changing process to change current name (immediately after this poll will be closed we should to ask back of basic "Ana Ivanovic" forum name).

Ksenia.
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:50 PM
11-0 so far :drool:

Balltossovic
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:55 PM
Yes but what Cp6uja meant was that if the no in this poll gets a lot of votes, then Beauty and her beasts would still have a lot of supporters and it should be included. I think if the winning margin of yes is > 50% (i.e. > 10 to 5, 20 to 10, etc.), then Beauty and Her Beasts should be dumped forever:kiss:
No I understood that part I just don't agree with it:lol:

I was talking about the part where he said 3/4 days should be enough for this poll:)

Balltossovic
Jul 14th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Yes, Fistpumpovic (I love your nick name :drool:) I want to change the name but, MAYBE, I dont like the options (as I said I dont like Anapolis, for example) in that case I would like to stay with the current name "Beauty and her Beasts".


Sorry for my English, if you dont understand me well ;)
Thanks :hug:

I understand:)
Because it's not same if that option (which i don't want to repeat again :devil:) get in this Poll about 45% of votes, or for example about 25%. I don't like current name, but With for example over 40% votes in this poll I think they deserve 2nd chance for sure and to be one of options/contenders for subforum new name... but with for example just 25% or even less votes here we don't need to wait end of New-Name changing process to change current name (immediately after this poll will be closed we should to ask back of basic "Ana Ivanovic" forum name).
Well right now it doesn't look like that will be an issue but here is what I'll do to be fair.

If we get a positive vote for change, the next thread I create will be for New Name Suggestions. If anyone votes to keep the current name they will still have a chance to suggest a name. They are more than welcome to suggest Beauty and her Beatsts. Is that fair enough?:)

Balltossovic
Jul 15th, 2009, 03:17 PM
Bump

soul
Jul 15th, 2009, 04:02 PM
voted but I made a mistake.sorry guys.I said no instead of yes.I dont have the chance of changing, do I?

Balltossovic
Jul 15th, 2009, 04:07 PM
I'll note it:)

InsideOut.
Jul 17th, 2009, 03:07 PM
I voted yes. :bounce:

Anapolis FTW! :hearts: Izzy would become mayor by default :kiss:

gaviotabr
Jul 17th, 2009, 03:14 PM
I voted yes. :bounce:

Anapolis FTW! :hearts: Izzy would become mayor by default :kiss:

:lol::lol::lol:

:help:

:lol:

Marilyn Monheaux
Jul 18th, 2009, 02:31 AM
I voted 'yes':cool:
http://www.wearemammoth.com/sprout/uploaded_images/change-we-can-believe-in001-765319.jpg

I just had to:o:p

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 18th, 2009, 02:33 AM
Adam and Ana are love !!

Balltossovic
Jul 18th, 2009, 02:36 AM
26 to 2:drool:

InsideOut.
Jul 18th, 2009, 04:40 PM
Bump.

Balltossovic
Jul 20th, 2009, 03:34 AM
Almost there:banana:

spiritedenergy
Jul 20th, 2009, 05:47 AM
There is at least one hater/fake fan who voted... his/her/its vote should be discounted:p

Balltossovic
Jul 20th, 2009, 06:31 AM
Who?:unsure:

spiritedenergy
Jul 20th, 2009, 04:44 PM
Who?:unsure:

Sin Dio Whatever:o

Balltossovic
Jul 20th, 2009, 05:43 PM
I thought so:lol:

Adrian1092
Jul 21st, 2009, 12:41 AM
I voted yes but I'm not creative enough to suggest a name! :p

Ksenia.
Jul 21st, 2009, 08:44 AM
^ don't worry ;) we have tons of suggestions already :lol:

spiritedenergy
Jul 21st, 2009, 08:37 PM
The poll is closed!

Results:

YES: 31 votes (hater removed, soul's NO changed to YES)
NO: 3 (soul's NO changed to YES)

Of 34 votes, 91% chose YES, 9% chose NO. Less than 1/4 chose the current name, so goodbye "Beauty and Her Beasts"!:wavey::bounce::kiss:

Balltossovic
Jul 21st, 2009, 10:29 PM
Good stuff:yeah:

spiritedenergy
Jul 21st, 2009, 10:48 PM
I think now we should start the elimination poll Myriam? How to do it?:unsure:

PS: love your avatar:lol::hearts::worship:

Balltossovic
Jul 21st, 2009, 11:02 PM
Hey!:wavey::kiss:

I'm working on it right now. I've compiled a list of previous suggestions and the thread will be a suggestion thread. Everyone needs to get a chance to suggest a name BEFORE we start eliminating. You can give me your ideas in a few minutes when I open the other thread:D

Balltossovic
Jul 21st, 2009, 11:07 PM
Oh and thanks:lol: Poiree made it:D

spiritedenergy
Jul 21st, 2009, 11:15 PM
Hey!:wavey::kiss:

I'm working on it right now. I've compiled a list of previous suggestions and the thread will be a suggestion thread. Everyone needs to get a chance to suggest a name BEFORE we start eliminating. You can give me your ideas in a few minutes when I open the other thread:D

great!:kiss:

дalex
Jul 21st, 2009, 11:35 PM
Oh and thanks:lol: Poiree made it:D

Uhm, actually I made that one. :angel:

But it's the idea that matters and you had a great one for username + avatar. ;)

Balltossovic
Jul 21st, 2009, 11:40 PM
:spit: yes you did:hug:

I was using the one Poiree made before when I posted that:lol:

Thanks:hug:

дalex
Jul 21st, 2009, 11:42 PM
I was using the one Poiree made before when I posted that:lol:

Oh. :lol:

:hug:

Andreas
Jul 22nd, 2009, 01:14 PM
I would have voted yes. I really don't like this name :o

Balltossovic
Jul 22nd, 2009, 05:38 PM
Then please suggest a new name in the suggestion thread:D

Cp6uja
Jul 24th, 2009, 11:30 AM
Is anybody here know when Dexter will be back from holidays (or where is he now)? He not post on this site in last 15 days...

I'm just realize (in direct communication) that TennisForum administrators here don't care at all about ours public polls like this and even 90% vs 10% result is not enough for action - to reset this subforum name (to default "Ana Ivanovic"). No mater how many of us ask this change only way for forum administration to consider possibility of players forum Name change is if local moderator (Dexter in Serbian Sensations case) send some of administrators that request.

This middle step, to replace unpopular "Beauty and her Beasts" with temporal solution "Ana Ivanovic" (till we not chose final Name for this subforum) is very important to prevent repeat of last year scenario when also obvious majority here voted for name change (in August) but after "complications" after new name elections last year, 11 months later we are still forced to have this outdated name.

So when Dexter back on forum he must to send PM to some of administrators where he must to confirm that results of this Public Poll really means that majority of Ana Ivanovic fans here don't want anymore "Beauty and her Beasts" for this subforum and to asks back to previous (default) "Ana Ivanovic" name back till we not chose other (election process already started).

gaviotabr
Jul 24th, 2009, 11:42 AM
I don't think we should change the name until we have chosen the real new name.. :shrug: What's the rush?

Officinale
Jul 24th, 2009, 01:22 PM
I don't think we should change the name until we have chosen the real new name.. :shrug: What's the rush?

I agree. What's wrong with keeping the name until a new one is chosen? :)

Balltossovic
Jul 24th, 2009, 02:13 PM
There is no point in changing the name twice. I've already PM'd Dexter to advise him of what we are doing. When he comes back if HE sees fit to change the name before the final result then he will do so:)

Cp6uja
Jul 24th, 2009, 02:20 PM
I don't think we should change the name until we have chosen the real new name.. :shrug: What's the rush?Simple because 2008 bad experience. At end of 2008 "New Name" election process we have tied result in final Poll ("Ajde Ana!" 20 votes, "Ana is Love" 20 votes and "Against both options" 9 votes) and when I want to open last "Final Tie-Break" Poll for final decision (with same 2 final suggestions, but without "against both" option) site officials vetoed whole process with conclusion that this subforum is not ready for name change because no majority support for any new name. So if something unexpected happen again at least till we chose new name will be neutral/default Ana Ivanovic instead obviously outdated and unpopular "Beauty and her Beasts".

Remember... reason why we changing subforum name is not because we have some much better (we still not chose final option) or because we dont have nothing to do during WTA summer pause - reason is because "Beauty and her Beasts" name is outdated and not less popular TennisForum "Players Forum" name (including Ana fans obviously). We should ask this (request for reset Ivanovic forum name) already last August after first referendum for name change and not to wait for end of New Name Elections (which is vetoed at end by Forum Officials).

Current Subforum Name is totally outdated about two Years ago and also about Year we are forced to tolerate this despite obvious and democratic will of majority of Ana fans basis from last summer referendum-Poll. After this newest Referendum with so obvious result TennisForum officials should take action immediately... No mater will we find or not final option for this subforum name in next couple weeks - after this Poll "Beauty and her Beasts" is finished for ever here and Forum officials should respect our almost consensus decision for sure NOW.

There is no point in changing the name twice. I've already PM'd Dexter to advise him of what we are doing. When he comes back if HE sees fit to change the name before the final result then he will do so:)NO POINT TO STAY Beauty and her Beasts. "Ana Ivanovic" is also old (default) name of this forum - so it's not real "CHANGE". It is simple "RESET" of subforum name on default "Name Surname" form.

gaviotabr
Jul 24th, 2009, 03:33 PM
Simple because 2008 bad experience. At end of 2008 "New Name" election process we have tied result in final Poll ("Ajde Ana!" 20 votes, "Ana is Love" 20 votes and "Against both options" 9 votes) and when I want to open last "Final Tie-Break" Poll for final decision (with same 2 final suggestions, but without "against both" option) site officials vetoed whole process with conclusion that this subforum is not ready for name change because no majority support for any new name. So if something unexpected happen again at least till we chose new name will be neutral/default Ana Ivanovic instead obviously outdated and unpopular "Beauty and her Beasts".

Remember... reason why we changing subforum name is not because we have some much better (we still not chose final option) or because we dont have nothing to do during WTA summer pause - reason is because "Beauty and her Beasts" name is outdated and not less popular TennisForum "Players Forum" name (including Ana fans obviously). We should ask this (request for reset Ivanovic forum name) already last August after first referendum for name change and not to wait for end of New Name Elections (which is vetoed at end by Forum Officials).

Current Subforum Name is totally outdated about two Years ago and also about Year we are forced to tolerate this despite obvious and democratic will of majority of Ana fans basis from last summer referendum-Poll. After this newest Referendum with so obvious result TennisForum officials should take action immediately... No mater will we find or not final option for this subforum name in next couple weeks - after this Poll "Beauty and her Beasts" is finished for ever here and Forum officials should respect our almost consensus decision for sure NOW.

NO POINT TO STAY Beauty and her Beasts. "Ana Ivanovic" is also old (default) name of this forum - so it's not real "CHANGE". It is simple "RESET" of subforum name on default "Name Surname" form.

I still see no point of changing the name now.. The past experience was the way it was because people weren't really invested in the process.. actually, at that time the only person who was really into it and fighting for the name change was you. So now everyone seems to be putting effort into it, not only voting in polls, but actually participating and giving opinions. The name change will happen.. I just think there should be no rush and it should happen when we chose the right new name.

Balltossovic
Jul 24th, 2009, 03:43 PM
This is the reason the name change was unsucessful last time. You can't get everything your way.

gaviotabr
Jul 24th, 2009, 03:49 PM
This is the reason the name change was unsucessful last time. You can't get everything your way.

So true.. most people fell compelled to do the other way when someone demands them to act some particular way, me included. I mean, if he gets all "it has to be like this or like that" without taking into consideration what other people think, things will just never go his way.. :shrug:

дalex
Jul 24th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Don't be rude to Srbija. He's just not good at expressing himself in English. He means well and the same was the last time he ran the process. It's just that people are opinionated and discussions become heated for no good reason.

Balltossovic
Jul 24th, 2009, 04:07 PM
No one is being rude. With all due respect hes the one telling everyone else how it HAS to be. He did the same thing when he was trying to run the name change. He wouldn't even listen to the forum MOD when he told him to calm down. We tried to explain this to him numerous times but he doesn't seem to get it. English is clearly not the problem. All you have to do is read his posts and you will see that;)

дalex
Jul 24th, 2009, 04:21 PM
I don't want to talk about Srbija. That would be rude too. :lol: I'm saying he's not the guilty party here. You're all Ana fans and need to work together to change the name this time around.

:)

Cp6uja
Jul 24th, 2009, 06:08 PM
I still see no point of changing the name now.. The past experience was the way it was because people weren't really invested in the process.. actually, at that time the only person who was really into it and fighting for the name change was you. So now everyone seems to be putting effort into it, not only voting in polls, but actually participating and giving opinions. The name change will happen.. I just think there should be no rush and it should happen when we chose the right new name.Yeah... last year I was only one who don't like current name, but thanks to my computer skills I hacked all 2008 Polls results about this subject and manipulated (here and at GM) :p Even if this BS is truth we now in July of 2009 have very obvious majority against current name which is for sure enough to finish with "Beauty and her Beasts" forever. This Poll is only about current name and 90% of voters is against... end of story... Also I don't understand are You blame me because in final of 2008 both final options have same support, or You thinking that 49 votes in off-season week is not enough, or that if 9 of 49 votes vote "against both" final options is enough to cancel whole process, or that several threads between August Referendum and December superfinal is not enough time or not enough democratic?

This is the reason the name change was unsucessful last time. You can't get everything your way.If "My Way" in 2008 is so wrong why You copycat same way with this Referendum-Poll in 1st step to check are majority want or don't want to change current Name, following major Nomination thread and at end will be polls to chose final solution :p. Fact that I personally not supported any of two last year final options is enough good proof that I'm just follow dominating subforum opinions and not favorized or intrude anything. But when I start discussion I have always responsibility to results of that discussion and will of majority - so why You take away from InsideOut this whole process who start that this summer (You even reopen New nomination thread) if You now try to ignore so obvious 90% vs 10% result of this poll where even You vote for change? This 90/10 Poll results is enough to reset current unpopular forum name without doubt (and for every players forum "Name Surname" form is default) no mater how and when will finish "New Name" changing process this time.

Don't be rude to Srbija. He's just not good at expressing himself in English. He means well and the same was the last time he ran the process. It's just that people are opinionated and discussions become heated for no good reason.In some discussions on this forum I really have problems b/c my English, but in this case NUMBERS is way more important than WORDS, and I never have problems with numbers. 31 vs 4 (32 vs 3 actually) means that people here is very unhappy with this name and of course no any real Ana Ivanovic fan which will be irritated with temporary Ana Ivanovic replacement (till we not chose final solution).

дalex
Jul 24th, 2009, 06:30 PM
In some discussions on this forum I really have problems b/c my English, but in this case NUMBERS is way more important than WORDS, and I never have problems with numbers. 31 vs 4 (32 vs 3 actually) means that people here is very unhappy with this name and of course no any real Ana Ivanovic fan which will be irritated with temporary Ana Ivanovic replacement (till we not chose final solution).

:lol:

Words are still important and you're not helping yourself with the way you're using them. I mean I completely understand you and all...But try to include following words: "I think", "IMO", use "should" instead of "must", "disagree" instead of "BS"...

I already said it before (when you were running this process) that I agree with your reasoning and that I understand your disappointment... because it takes a lot of commitment and time to run this process. But it's the past now, you're repeating yourself and there's no need for that. I'm sure you'll get a new name this time, so now go in the suggestions thread and post your opinion.

;)

I'm declaring this discussion officially over 'cos it's not good for this process. I'm better "dictator" than you. :p

gaviotabr
Jul 24th, 2009, 06:36 PM
Yeah... last year I was only one who don't like current name, but thanks to my computer skills I hacked all 2008 Polls results about this subject and manipulated (here and at GM) :p Even if this BS is truth we now in July of 2009 have very obvious majority against current name which is for sure enough to finish with "Beauty and her Beasts" forever. This Poll is only about current name and 90% of voters is against... end of story... Also I don't understand are You blame me because in final of 2008 both final options have same support, or You thinking that 49 votes in off-season week is not enough, or that if 9 of 49 votes vote "against both" final options is enough to cancel whole process, or that several threads between August Referendum and December superfinal is not enough time or not enough democratic?



Did you actually read what I wrote? I mean.. I said that people weren't really invested in the process.. not that people didn't want the change. There is a huge difference in that. I'm not trying to imply anything that you mentioned..

And you know what? With all of this rumbling, disrespect towards other people's opinions (calling it BS for an example..) and dictatorship posts, you are only making me want to keep Beauty and the beasts, which is what happened last time. You should consider changing your attitude... I think it would be positive for you and your wishes. :shrug:

Balltossovic
Jul 24th, 2009, 07:44 PM
First of all I wasn't saying that your process was wrong. Yes you took the right steps. But when you are telling people that we HAVE to do something or we MUST change the name to Ana Ivanovic even AFTER several people have told you they disagree with you, that's where the problem is. Just because you want to do somehting doesn't mean everyone else does.

That's why I'm doing everything publicly and asking everyone's opinion. Just because I want to vote one way, doesn't mean everyone else will. That's what I'm trying to say to you. Just because YOU think the name should be changed to Ana Ivanovic for the time being, doesn't mean everyone else want's it to be changed okay:shrug:

spiritedenergy
Jul 24th, 2009, 10:44 PM
guys chill out:kiss: I actually understands Cp6uja, his poll had more votes than this one so it meant something, but at the same time it should done by all fans together, and it's clear most people here are opinionated and want to be part of the process, they don't want to be left out;)

gaviotabr
Jul 24th, 2009, 10:57 PM
guys chill out:kiss: I actually understands Cp6uja, his poll had more votes than this one so it meant something, but at the same time it should done by all fans together, and it's clear most people here are opinionated and want to be part of the process, they don't want to be left out;)

That's not the issue Luca. The thing is.. Cp6uja came here demanding that the name to be changed right now to Ana Ivanovic and doesn't accept that some people prefer to wait to change for the chosen name later on. He even called some opinions BS.. that's disrespectful. He can defend his opinions without disrespecting others or making his wishes seem obligatory.

Thing should be done taking into consideration what everybody thinks and wishes.. including him.. so all I'm saying is that he could come here and have a chat instead of just demanding things and calling what other people say bullshit. And that is the reason last time was a fiasco.

Balltossovic
Jul 24th, 2009, 10:59 PM
Yeah what gaviotabr said:)

spiritedenergy
Jul 24th, 2009, 11:01 PM
That's not the issue Luca. The thing is.. Cp6uja came here demanding that the name to be changed right now to Ana Ivanovic and doesn't accept that some people prefer to wait to change for the chosen name later on. He even called some opinions BS.. that's disrespectful. He can defend his opinions without disrespecting others or making his wishes seem obligatory.

Thing should be done taking into consideration what everybody thinks and wishes.. including him.. so all I'm saying is that he could come here and have a chat instead of just demanding things and calling what other people say bullshit. And that is the reason last time was a fiasco.

Yes I agree with you Izzy;), but at the same time I understand Cp6uja's actions, I think he believes that the will of many people was not considered and want it changed. But I agree changing now or later doesn't make any difference, i'm ok with both actually, but considering Dexter is not here and there is no rush, there is no big deal to push it to be changed;)

doni1212
Jul 24th, 2009, 11:02 PM
First of all I wasn't saying that your process was wrong. Yes you took the right steps. But when you are telling people that we HAVE to do something or we MUST change the name to Ana Ivanovic even AFTER several people have told you they disagree with you, that's where the problem is. Just because you want to do somehting doesn't mean everyone else does.

That's why I'm doing everything publicly and asking everyone's opinion. Just because I want to vote one way, doesn't mean everyone else will. That's what I'm trying to say to you. Just because YOU think the name should be changed to Ana Ivanovic for the time being, doesn't mean everyone else want's it to be changed okay:shrug:

I've been meaning to thank you for respecting everyone's opinion and doing this in a diplomatic way.
You're doing a great job!! :yeah:

Balltossovic
Jul 25th, 2009, 02:24 AM
Thanks Doni:)

Cp6uja
Jul 25th, 2009, 02:30 AM
Just because you want to do somehting doesn't mean everyone else does.

That's why I'm doing everything publicly and asking everyone's opinion. Just because I want to vote one way, doesn't mean everyone else will. That's what I'm trying to say to you. Just because YOU think the name should be changed to Ana Ivanovic for the time being, doesn't mean everyone else want's it to be changed okay:shrug:And You telling this in thread with Poll where 90% voters vote against "Beauty and her Beasts" (so it's not only me obviously)!?!? If we don't have same situation last August when also clear majority vote for change I will not insist on immediately action to reset this subforum name (so "Ana Ivanovic" is not my private suggestion - "Name Surname" form is default option for some players forum name here... including this Ana's subforum before 2006. I see that You and gaviotabr is not members in that time, but believe me - that is not MY, that is TennisForum default option for this subforum name.

And you know what? With all of this rumbling, disrespect towards other people's opinions (calling it BS for an example..) and dictatorship posts, you are only making me want to keep Beauty and the beasts, which is what happened last time. You should consider changing your attitude... I think it would be positive for you and your wishes. :shrug:So what If You be again for Beauty and the beasts option if big majority here will still be again against that name? You are (not me) extremely disrespectful today to big majority of Ana fans which want to change this improperly subforum name already last year when You ignore all of them and say that I'm only one who want to change this name in 2008!? Also You are disrespectful to me when You agree with Fistpumpovic "smart" statement that I'm reason why the name change was unsuccessful last time... I spend many time and energy here between last August referendum-poll and december final poll before this forum officials vetoed and closed whole action with BS conclusion that 20 votes for one final option, 20 votes for other final option and 9 votes "against both" option means that actually majority don't want to change current name at all... That is real disrespect of others people opinions, and I use "BS" term just to express possibility of sarcastic theory that I'm hacked all 2008 TennisForum Poll results about Ana Subforum name subject - I really didnt know that You really believe in that conspiracy, so sorry if You really recognize herself in that.

Back to subject - Final Results of this Poll is obvious proof that trying to change Beauty and her Beasts name last year is not my private obsession here but really will of majority Ana fans which is seems even stronger in 2009. If You have more logical option for temporary solution for this forum name till we chose some New Name with big support (next week, next month, next year?) than default "Ana Ivanovic" say your opinion. I repeat Once again - main reason why we want this change is not "just because change" - but because unhappiness with current name...

Balltossovic
Jul 25th, 2009, 02:42 AM
I don't want to argue with you but did you notice that YOU yes YOU are the only one asking for the name to be changed to Ana Ivanovic until a final name is voted:confused:

You are completely missing the point of what I'm saying. It's already established that we are getting a name change. You are asking that the name be changed to Ana Ivanovic while we wait for the final vote. Not everyone wants that to happen. People would rather see one name change than have the name changed twice. Regardless if Ana Ivanovic is default or not you are the only one that wants the default right now. Not only are you the only one but you're telling us we HAVE to agree with you. Well not everyone has to agree and that is all I'm saying on the matter.

If you'd like to ask for a name change be my guest but it seems the majority of the posters are against that and it seems like you're saying it doesn't matter what we want.

Yes, the poll said 90% of voters want the name to be changed. But they want the name changed from Beauty and her Beasts to A NEW NAME not to Ana Ivanovic AND THEN something else. Several people have stated that instead of having the name Ana Ivanovic they would rather stay with the current name because they don't want plain Ana Ivanovic. These same people also voted for the name change so your argument is not accurate.

There is a thread open for name suggestions and we are now at the point where we are discussing the names that were suggested. You are more than welcome to join the discussion:)

Cp6uja
Jul 25th, 2009, 03:20 AM
I don't want to argue with you but did you notice that YOU yes YOU are the only one asking for the name to be changed to Ana Ivanovic until a final name is voted:confused:So You try to say that Ana Ivanovic default/neutral option more irritating Ana fans than current Beauty and her Beasts?

We vote here for change and because we still dont have some new name there - that means should be default option till some option don't have support of majority. Nothing wrong with default "Name Surname" names... Jelena Jankovic have that neutral option almost 5 years before finally changed that last month. I agree that in general no reasons to hurry with anything, but because we vote first time here against "Beauty and her Beasts" already 11 month ago but we still have that name here - after latest poll and obvious result we don't need to wait any other week... month... year. So "Ana Ivanovic" is not my private option - that default option coming when You don't want to stay anymore current name, but still don't have properly replacement.

gaviotabr
Jul 25th, 2009, 06:19 AM
So what If You be again for Beauty and the beasts option if big majority here will still be again against that name? You are (not me) extremely disrespectful today to big majority of Ana fans which want to change this improperly subforum name already last year when You ignore all of them and say that I'm only one who want to change this name in 2008!? Also You are disrespectful to me when You agree with Fistpumpovic "smart" statement that I'm reason why the name change was unsuccessful last time... I spend many time and energy here between last August referendum-poll and december final poll before this forum officials vetoed and closed whole action with BS conclusion that 20 votes for one final option, 20 votes for other final option and 9 votes "against both" option means that actually majority don't want to change current name at all... That is real disrespect of others people opinions, and I use "BS" term just to express possibility of sarcastic theory that I'm hacked all 2008 TennisForum Poll results about Ana Subforum name subject - I really didnt know that You really believe in that conspiracy, so sorry if You really recognize herself in that.


Look.. I don't even know why I'm replying.. you didn't understand ANY of my posts if this is what you are telling me.. And in that case, what's the point of keep talking? I'm asking myself and can't find answers.. but hey, I'm just going to try to explain what I said before, to see if you can finally understand.

First of all, I voted for the name change both times. I also wanted the name change. Can you imagine that there might be other people who think like me? And in my posts I never said people didn't want the name change.. I never said you were the only one who wanted the name change. I said that you were the only one who was really invested in the process of changing the name, the only one that was really fighting for the name change. And that people weren't really invested in the process, weren't participating as much as now.. Do you understand that? I mean that people would like it to change, but didn't really have the need, didn't fight for it, weren't really into the process. Also, just because people want the change doesn't mean that people want to change it right now or for any given name.

Look, read my posts again:

I still see no point of changing the name now.. The past experience was the way it was because people weren't really invested in the process.. actually, at that time the only person who was really into it and fighting for the name change was you. So now everyone seems to be putting effort into it, not only voting in polls, but actually participating and giving opinions. The name change will happen.. I just think there should be no rush and it should happen when we chose the right new name.

I blame the failure of the past experience NOT on you, but on the fact that people weren't really invested in the process. They did want the change, just weren't fighting for it, didn't see it as such a big need.

Did you actually read what I wrote? I mean.. I said that people weren't really invested in the process.. not that people didn't want the change. There is a huge difference in that. I'm not trying to imply anything that you mentioned..

And you know what? With all of this rumbling, disrespect towards other people's opinions (calling it BS for an example..) and dictatorship posts, you are only making me want to keep Beauty and the beasts, which is what happened last time. You should consider changing your attitude... I think it would be positive for you and your wishes. :shrug:

What I mean here is that your attitude doesn't bring you any good. You are trying to make your wishes obligatory. Just relax.. And I hope you realize I'm not saying you were the only one who wanted the change or that you are to blame for it not being changed before.. I never said that or meant that in any of my posts. And nobody is implying that you hacked the polls or whatever.. You get all defensive for no reason. You have to consider that sometimes it's quite difficult to understand irony in your posts, since you have some problems to express yourself in english. Calling someone's opinion BS, in any way, any moment, is disrespectful.. as it is misinterpretating everything someone writes and putting words into someone's mouth. You should read properly before writing...

Look.. people are now really into the process of changing the name, really invested into it. They weren't back then.. Otherwise, people would have told Dexter at the time that most people wanted the change and were working towards it. Instead what happened was that most people actually wrote that there was no rush and that they would not like to change for any name just to get a change. And when you came up with these kind of posts, demanding the name to be changed, and keeping posting polls when people were saying they weren't necesarily satisfied with the options we had and that haters were voting, most people were against you as well, I mean.. against changing the name in a rush, against changing for whatever name. That's why Dexter closed the threads. C6puja, I'm trying to write a constructive criticism now. You can defend your opinions without attacking others and without sounding like a dictator. People now are totally invested in the process, the name change will happen.. so don't worry so much. I liked that you opened the poll about this issue.. so we will all just respect the result.

And this is my final post on this matter.

Cp6uja
Jul 25th, 2009, 10:39 AM
And this is my final post on this matter.OK I will finish also with this thread, especially because I open now new thread about what to do after so obvious results of this poll. For start You should to know that I always look at You like at one of most loyal and passionate Ana Ivanovic fans here with many useful posts even on daily basis, and believe me - I very respect Your work here. But if somebody is wrong about something important I don't have any problem to replay and say my opinion (which is BTW always open for contra-arguments, not "dictatorship" like You say) no mater if other side here is site moderator, administrator or even my favorite poster.

For example, how many time I must to explain difference between "CHANGE" and "RESET" subforum name? CHANGE means to replace current subforum name with some new and RESET means to temporary back on basic/default "Name Surname" form ("Ana Ivanovic" in this case). Of course that RESET also means name change, but very specific and only one legitimate name change if whole "Find New Name" process is not finished.

And at end I must to notice most important thing which You obviously still don't understand about this subject: many of members which want to change current very unpopular "Beauty and her Beasts" subforum name really don't care too much which New Name will be chosen - only don't want to see anymore this "Beauty and her Beasts" which is (IMO) for reason is anticipated on this whole site like worst (ever?) players forum name. Since ANA (and IVANOVIC) become one of most popular (and already "famous") "brand" in modern tennis I will be happy and satisfy with any New Name option which include that "ANA" part, and I'm sure that I'm not only one here with that attitude (same thing last year when I actually really don't care which of final options will win at end). If You are right that "Dexter" really vetoed whole process last year just to "punish" me - that was very childish from him to holding worst TennisForum players subforum name to our loved Ana Ivanovic and he should be ashamed when he is back here and notice results of this Poll. Same thing for other 2 members (azdaja and Dony1212) which only give to him loud support to insist on Status Quo. When Dexter stopped last time whole process I ask permission of TennusForum officials to finish my job of finding New Name of this subforum (because obvious majority will against current name and my responsibility to all members which participate with votes and suggestions in whole process) OR to reset current name to default/basic "Ana Ivanovic". Answer which I get from "Cart" (one of administrators here) is that only local moderator (Dexter in this case) have competence and authorisation about everithing connecting with this subforum Name and he will solve that "problem" ASAP... but more than half year after that we know that he blocked whole process obviously to stay Status Quo (Beauty and her Beasts) not to "correct" some procedural things. That's why is also important for us to ask RESET of forum name - so we will after first step realize is all this is just waste of our time and InsideOut or Fistpumpovic is not allowed to take any action in Name Change direction. Also, i'm pretty sure that in history of WTAWorld/TennisForum is never happen (even "HH" part of Henin-Hardenne stays after divorce) that once changing name is changing again, so if we reset current name to default/basic "Ana Ivanovic" it will be probably way easy for upcoming change than if this irritating "Beauty and her Beasts" still stay.

That's my point - about Year after we vote in majority against current name, me (and many others here for sure) dont want to see anymore "Beauty and her Beasts" now when we have prove that support for that outdated name is lesser than ever... no mater what will happen at end with whole "New Name Elections" process this time. For ending with "Beauty and her Beasts" support is for sure already enough here...