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Asif_Nawaz
Jul 14th, 2009, 04:47 AM
I rememebr her being the touted as the next big thing and i was one of her first bandwagoners and i still am. but somewhere along the road she just lost it. i dont know if it was losing that match at the AO or whatever but shes not playing to her potential. except at a few tourneys for example last year bali and rogers cup and this year ponte vedra. What do you think? Discuss.

skanky~skanketta
Jul 14th, 2009, 05:20 AM
It's depressing. Cuz I love her game!

Natash.
Jul 14th, 2009, 05:21 AM
Fitness and a decent serve. Probably confidence went out and I hear she's injured now.

Optima
Jul 14th, 2009, 05:47 AM
Jankovic def. Paszek 2–6, 6–2, 12–10

PerfectForm
Jul 14th, 2009, 06:17 AM
When she was playing well, she was able to control the point very well with her deep penetrating strokes thus minimizing her weakness of movement. However, when she started playing badly, her strokes were not as penetrating giving her opponents the opportunity to move her around and exposing that weakness. When she gets frustrated, she will simply try to wack a winner out of impossible positions. When her confidence is high, she would make them but when its low, it is just ugly to watch.

Her second serve is not really helping her confidence either.

OsloErik
Jul 14th, 2009, 09:18 AM
Here's a good rule of thumb: if you are under 5'9, you NEED to be quick and fit. Tamira has Bartoli-esque movement. You don't think of her as slow off the mark (she has good reflexes and anticipation), but she just tired out too quickly. She couldn't quite play top-flight first strike tennis, but she didn't have the stamina to be a good aggressive counterpuncher (Cibulkova or Pennetta, for example). For a while, she had a nice middle ground going, but I haven't seen her have faith in her groundies in a year or so.

attis765
Jul 14th, 2009, 09:40 AM
Let's ask Viennacalling.:tape:

jade001
Jul 14th, 2009, 09:45 AM
Her BH on a match point against Jankovic and the court was totally opened, since
that, she sucks.

RND
Jul 14th, 2009, 11:38 AM
This says it I guess.
http://i41.tinypic.com/fu2j4y.jpg

Hope she'd go through all this tough conditions , and gain back the confidence, then she'll be in the top 30! :sad:

Navratil
Jul 14th, 2009, 12:40 PM
She struggled even before that match against Jankovic at the Australian-Open last year. She's got a great potential and fantastic shots but it's quite obvious what is missing: Fitness! She needs to work a little bit harder and I am sure she will recognize that sooner or later.

*Jean*
Jul 14th, 2009, 12:48 PM
Well, in the modern women's tennis, with all these random girls in the top 100, you have to be lucky more than being over-talented. Tamira was overweighted, had no big weapons, her serve was very weak and she was choking in big occasions.
No doubt she'll be in the top 30 back soon but she absolutely needs to work on her global consistency and her mental toughness, she is absolutely brilliant when she's okay, but she's not, it quickly becomes pathetic. It's the same for other young talented players like Vaidisova, Rezai or Pironkova.

bavaria86
Jul 14th, 2009, 02:52 PM
its so sad to see Tamira these days:sad:
I hope so much she can get her game back she already had and do some damage on tour again:bounce:

Kipling
Jul 14th, 2009, 03:34 PM
You guys know that she has had a back injury for several months now, right? At a minimum, since Dubai. Possibly before that. She was hurting again at Miami.

Even so, she played very well in the spring at both Miami and Ponte Vedra. Was way up on Kuznetsova in Miami and then ran out of gas and had MP on Wozniak in the QF at PVB. Then she fell on her hand at Charleston, had some respiratory troubles at Stuttgart, and the back injury flared up again after that.

She had good wins after the 2008 AO, so to lay the blame on that one single match is beyond naive. She is also fitter than she was in 2008, and you can credit her work at the Sanchez academy for that.

She is short, lighter than most of the players she plays against, does not have a good serve, and is too reliant on hard hitting despite her diminutive size. For short stretches, she can hang with anyone, but her body doesn't seem to be able to take the punishment of more than a week or two at a time. It's becoming obvious that unless you're close to 6 feet tall in the women's game nowadays, you simply aren't going to be competitive in the long run. She has the talent and fight to be a top 5 player, but not the genetics. Unless someone invents leg extensions or something, she's got big disadvantages to overcome.

Ciarán
Jul 14th, 2009, 04:57 PM
This says it I guess.
http://i41.tinypic.com/fu2j4y.jpg

Hope she'd go through all this tough conditions , and gain back the confidence, then she'll be in the top 30! :sad:

She's actually lost weight since this picture was taken. But as I heart Mimi has stated she has been plagued by injuries.

joe87
Jul 14th, 2009, 08:47 PM
If she gets past the injury and stays healthy for a while, she will come back to the top for sure. :)

zakketiello
Jul 14th, 2009, 08:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaXygfbi6mw

Temperenka
Jul 14th, 2009, 08:55 PM
1) Jelena Jankovic's defense
2) Her boobs got too big
3) She lacks confidence

Not sure about #2, but they really are HUGE. :)

Temperenka
Jul 14th, 2009, 08:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaXygfbi6mw

I don't like Jelena, but I never get sick of this video. :drool:

Xian
Jul 14th, 2009, 09:44 PM
this video hurts, really hurts :sad:

FORZA SARITA
Jul 14th, 2009, 09:48 PM
that video :(

faboozadoo15
Jul 14th, 2009, 10:26 PM
Anyone who expected her to achieve huge success with just a good ground game is pretty silly. She has no serve, no variety, no fitness, no speed.

Corswandt
Jul 14th, 2009, 10:36 PM
Anyone who expected her to achieve huge success with just a good ground game is pretty silly. She has no serve, no variety, no fitness, no speed.

This.

Her ballstriking is so clean I could eat my dinner off it, but she doesn't really have anything that qualifies as a kill shot by current standards.

She has no serve, is extremely one-dimensional, can't finish off a point at the net to save her life avoiding, and even though she isn't as slow as her pudgy figure suggests, her build is simply unsuited to tennis.

The Dawntreader
Jul 14th, 2009, 11:58 PM
It's quite a shame that she seems in an almost irretrievable decline. When she first burst onto the tour back in '06, she seemed a fairly rising talent. The thing is though, she hasn't really added to her game. People just assume teen phenoms can just break through the tour on talent alone, but there needs to be numerous platforms of development. Paszek seems to have plateued, or even regressed which is a depressing prospect for her and and her fans.

Her ballstriking is clean and sweeping, but she relies far too much on mini-rally marathons, but she just doesn't have the movement to match-up. It'd be the same as Marion Bartoli trying to play a la Sanchez Vicario. It just doesn't work.

Her serve is a MAJOR flaw. She has probably the most degenerative racquet-head speed on the ball when she serves.

LeonHart
Jul 15th, 2009, 12:56 AM
She needs to get fitter. Saw her at Wimbledon, she still looks chubby.

Alizé Molik
Jul 15th, 2009, 04:32 AM
As with Marion, fitness=better results, and Paszcek hit's the ball a lot better than Marion imho, given the cleaness of her strikes her game is marvelous to watch.

faboozadoo15
Jul 15th, 2009, 04:35 AM
As with Marion, fitness=better results, and Paszcek hit's the ball a lot better than Marion imho, given the cleaness of her strikes her game is marvelous to watch.

No way...

#1SteffiGraf#1
Jul 15th, 2009, 04:40 AM
Um, she is STILL young. I am glad she has not become a fitness freak at such a young age. Wait until your 20's before you eat, sleep and shit tennis/fitness. Take your teens to learn the game and work on other parts of your life.

She can still become a very good player as she gets older and gets healthier in her 20's

UDACHi
Jul 15th, 2009, 04:45 AM
Jankovic def. Paszek 2–6, 6–2, 12–10

bingo.

Alizé Molik
Jul 15th, 2009, 04:50 AM
No way...

not for pace or flatness but the way she moves the ball around is nice to watch.

(perhaps carried away? :o)

LeonHart
Jul 15th, 2009, 05:55 AM
Um, she is STILL young. I am glad she has not become a fitness freak at such a young age. Wait until your 20's before you eat, sleep and shit tennis/fitness. Take your teens to learn the game and work on other parts of your life.

She can still become a very good player as she gets older and gets healthier in her 20's

Don't know...this is her 2nd or 3rd season now? And to me she hasn't looked any better.

woosey
Jul 15th, 2009, 06:11 AM
Anyone who expected her to achieve huge success with just a good ground game is pretty silly. She has no serve, no variety, no fitness, no speed.

first, none of these things are set in stone and can all be significantly improved.

second, dementieva has no serve (until recently)and radwanska and other players lack great serves. dementieva has made her career with a strong ground game. but, she has also made sure that she is almost always fit.

many of the players on the tour have no variety.

and many of them also lack fitness and speed.

tamira is more talented than lots of them and should be able to ascend. i mean, look at wozniacki. i don't know which wta tour you've been watching.

Protoss
Jul 15th, 2009, 07:00 AM
Um, she is STILL young. I am glad she has not become a fitness freak at such a young age. Wait until your 20's before you eat, sleep and shit tennis/fitness. Take your teens to learn the game and work on other parts of your life.

She can still become a very good player as she gets older and gets healthier in her 20's
Being in good shape constitutes being a fitness freak? :confused:

faboozadoo15
Jul 15th, 2009, 08:39 AM
not for pace or flatness but the way she moves the ball around is nice to watch.

(perhaps carried away? :o)

It may be more visually appealing, but there's no way she's as effective as Marion from the baseline. They're very different. Groung strokes aside, I think Marion does everything else better too.

faboozadoo15
Jul 15th, 2009, 08:45 AM
first, none of these things are set in stone and can all be significantly improved.

second, dementieva has no serve (until recently)and radwanska and other players lack great serves. dementieva has made her career with a strong ground game. but, she has also made sure that she is almost always fit.

many of the players on the tour have no variety.

and many of them also lack fitness and speed.

tamira is more talented than lots of them and should be able to ascend. i mean, look at wozniacki. i don't know which wta tour you've been watching.

You're crazy.

How often do young ball bashers who are out of shape reinvent themselves as svelte, all-court players? It's also rare to see huge improvements in serve. You bring up Dementieva, but her WORST serving days are better than Tamira's best (Dementieva's other weapons including her fitness are superlative). Radwanska also has some of the quickest feet out there, tons of variety, and good defense.

I'm not expecting shoestring volleyes from young players, but Tamira is useless at net, even folling in her big strokes.

She's one of the slowest too.

Are you seriously suggesting Tamira is as talented (moreso even) than Wozniacki? Now I've seen it all... Tamira has way too much working against her. I

Ciarán
Jul 15th, 2009, 03:12 PM
You're crazy.

How often do young ball bashers who are out of shape reinvent themselves as svelte, all-court players? It's also rare to see huge improvements in serve. You bring up Dementieva, but her WORST serving days are better than Tamira's best (Dementieva's other weapons including her fitness are superlative). Radwanska also has some of the quickest feet out there, tons of variety, and good defense.

I'm not expecting shoestring volleyes from young players, but Tamira is useless at net, even folling in her big strokes.

She's one of the slowest too.

Are you seriously suggesting Tamira is as talented (moreso even) than Wozniacki? Now I've seen it all... Tamira has way too much working against her. I

How many times have you actually seen Tamira play?

ViennaCalling
Jul 18th, 2009, 12:56 PM
:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

Sad topic :sad:

Jankovic def. Paszek 2–6, 6–2, 12–10

That was the beginning of the end :o

I hope her back will be fine soon, otherwise I see her retiring :sobbing:

ViennaCalling
Jul 18th, 2009, 01:02 PM
No way...

Shut up, please :mad:

Freakan
Jul 18th, 2009, 01:24 PM
One dimensional, weak serve, blah blah - that's all total bullshit. She proved many times that without a good movement and powerful serve she was still a big threat and beating Top 20 players wasn't a problem for her.
Injuries and many close matches lost is what hurt her confidence and that's probably what makes her play so bad.

Just Do It
Jul 18th, 2009, 02:13 PM
Jankovic def. Paszek 2–6, 6–2, 12–10

My thoughts exactly. Everything went downhill for her after that match.

Martian KC
Jul 18th, 2009, 02:16 PM
I was so happy for Jelena when that happened. But now seeing that match really has affected Tamira, it makes me sad.

BartoliBabes
Jul 18th, 2009, 03:10 PM
not for pace or flatness but the way she moves the ball around is nice to watch.

(perhaps carried away? :o)

she doesn't compare to marion's pace, timing or cleanliness

and i think she needs some guidance more than anything

Lord Choc Ice
Jul 18th, 2009, 04:10 PM
You'd have to be pretty weak if you let one close loss in the first round (not like it was the final or something) of a slam affect you for this long :tape:.

I seriously doubt that match is still the problem.

faboozadoo15
Jul 18th, 2009, 06:22 PM
How many times have you actually seen Tamira play?

I've seen her play many times. Literally the only thing admirable in her game is is ground strokes. She has a beautiful forehand and backhand. But she has a terrible serve (are you contesting this?), she's slow, and she's allergic to the net.

faboozadoo15
Jul 18th, 2009, 06:24 PM
Shut up, please :mad:

:confused: Even the person I was arguing with said they got carried away, lol.

faboozadoo15
Jul 18th, 2009, 06:25 PM
You'd have to be pretty weak if you let one close loss in the first round (not like it was the final or something) of a slam affect you for this long :tape:.

I seriously doubt that match is still the problem.

Also, she was playing badly before this match. If anything, a great effort against a top player should have given her some confidence. Jankovic needed something beyond her best tennis to pull that match out on that day.

Ciarán
Jul 18th, 2009, 06:33 PM
I've seen her play many times. Literally the only thing admirable in her game is is ground strokes. She has a beautiful forehand and backhand. But she has a terrible serve (are you contesting this?), she's slow, and she's allergic to the net.

Yes I am contesting it :lol: (to an extent).
The serve has only really become a major problem over the last year, I mean throughout 2007 she had a pretty decent serve.

#1SteffiGraf#1
Jul 18th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Yes I am contesting it :lol: (to an extent).
The serve has only really become a major problem over the last year, I mean throughout 2007 she had a pretty decent serve.

Also failed to have been mentioned...she constructs points beautifully. If she was fitter, she would actually be able to follow through on more points.

Like I said, her fitness will come in time hopefully, and everything will fall into place. :bounce:

Asif_Nawaz
Jul 18th, 2009, 06:44 PM
I did not know that i would start such a controversy!:eek:


Anyways, for me

Tamira's groundstrokes, when on are some of the best on tour, she ca hit a winner from anywhere rather like Groenefeld. And she won a singles title when she was just 15, more than wozniacki,radwanska,szavay can say.She reminds me a whole lot of Vaidisova as well except with more power. Everyone saying marion has a better ground game than tamira should get their brains and their eyes checked. Marion plays double handed and while that is sometimes a disadvantage it helps her control the ball better than she would single handed.Marion has one of the ugliest and most OVERrated games ive ever seen.

faboozadoo15
Jul 18th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Yes I am contesting it :lol: (to an extent).
The serve has only really become a major problem over the last year, I mean throughout 2007 she had a pretty decent serve.

:confused: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnfKi-47AhI

Ciarán
Jul 18th, 2009, 08:20 PM
:confused: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnfKi-47AhI

One match :shrug:
She beat Dementieva at Wimbledon.

faboozadoo15
Jul 18th, 2009, 08:26 PM
One match :shrug:
She beat Dementieva at Wimbledon.

If you think she serves better than Dementieva then or now, I guess you'll have an even harder time explaining her form then.

Dementieva throws ina shit match every once in a while, but in 1 week she can beat more top 20 players than Paszek does in a whole year.

PS, I literally searched "Paszek 2007" to see what her serve looked like, and a clip against Dementieva came up.

OsloErik
Jul 20th, 2009, 12:50 AM
I didn't want to bump this, but I've been out of the loop for a few days and wanted to weigh in again.

Faboozadoo is right about the serve. Going a step further, it's possible that Tamira can come back fitter than before, but very unlikely that she'll have a much improved serve. She's simply not tall enough to have faulty mechanics. Now, she IS coached by Guga's old coach (last I heard, at least) and he does wonders at making mediocre servers focus on placement and eliminate the obvious weakness. But she just doesn't have good mechanics. The players she's been compared to on here (Bartoli, Radwanska, Dementieva) don't have as many problems as Paszek. Dementieva had a fine serve but had to retool it after 2001 or so and developed all kinds of tics. Radwanska's motion is fine, it just isn't powerful (she places it well, but that can improve). But both of those players have as good or better groundstrokes, far better variety, and dramatically better movement, both off the mark (which ISN'T Tamira's problem) and stamina (which IS).

Bartoli is an interesting case, because she isn't like anybody on tour at all. Yes she has fitness issues, and yes her serve is a grab-bag, but even when her dad retrains her serve into some ridiculous motion with no merit whatsoever (remember the elbow bend, straightened, bent again motion from 2008?), she has superior placement AND power, as well as the ability to hit a not-entirely-without-merit kick serve. Paszek can survive with a poor serve (she can hit the top 20, at least), and she can survive with poor movement (she can hit the top 10, perhaps), but she can't survive without both. I think she'll most likely try to rein in the fitness. If she can last two or three strokes longer in a rally, she can unload a nice backhand in either direction. But she's going to have to find a way to play other than counterpunching because she just isn't built right to play like that.

spiritedenergy
Jul 20th, 2009, 01:12 AM
She badly needs breast reduction.

Next!

fedfannnnnnn
Jul 20th, 2009, 01:14 AM
I remember her match against Jankovic at the AO when she had match points. She played a really good match. It's sad to see so much talent going to waste, like Vaidisova. She's still young, though, and she can turn it around.

Lord Choc Ice
Jul 20th, 2009, 05:29 AM
:confused: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnfKi-47AhI
OMG, Lena was amazing in that match. :hearts:

HOS
Jul 20th, 2009, 06:48 AM
I've seen her a few times...on tv def Australia in Fed Cup and in person beating Sev Beltrame at the OZ Open. She has great groundies, really powerful.
She got really fit at one stage and I was serioulsy shocked at how thin she looked. Actually, I have never seen a player yo yo so much with there weight.
She seems a bit highly strung (not as bad as Vaidisova) and not the best at defense....not sure why she can't stay in the top 50 though.
She maybe needs to play some doubles, get some variety, improve the volleys.....but even without this she should still be a threat.

BTW- that was an awesome point, great defnce from JJ, great shots from TP