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Sharpie4me
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:46 PM
:drool:
:spit:
:haha:
Pushzniacki is hopeless against:
- players who can hold serve constantly
- players with a bit of variety
MJMS made Pushzniacki look like an amateur with smart play(serve&volley, dropshots...)
Pushzniacki was outsmarted, outplayed, outhit...
Thanks MJMS for embarrassing the embarrassment of womens tennis :wavey::worship::hug:
Pushzniacki: Now even whoring up in MM tournaments isn't working anymore :spit:

Andreas
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Pathetic. The Cheater won.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:48 PM
wow Maria Jose :bolt:

broke back in 2nd set with 3 drop shot winners
got to MP with a drop volley winner from a Caro moonball
and won match the same way

Caroline :help:

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:48 PM
Chokeniacki should be her new name :p

Oh well , a decent run by her no less , MJMS has the game to trouble Serena on clay so clearly she's a good player.

At least her detractors have a moment to celebrate now , god knows they're not getting many at the moment :kiss:

RenaSlam.
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:48 PM
:tape:

God help the WTA Tour.

VIKA?
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Maria:worship::bounce::inlove: totally deserved :woohoo:

dropshot queen:inlove:

Dodoboy.
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Pointless week :lol:

Just wish she didn't lose to this wannnabe Henin, ah well!

Rest now! Least she made it all the way to the final day for her Scandinavian fans!

NewShoulderPlz.
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Congrats! :)

Alex03Maccy
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
Yay!!

Edinboro
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
YES!! Stop the pusher!! Even though it is her birthday. =O

onion
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:49 PM
:bounce:

Maria josé goddess!! :worship:

Lennval
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:50 PM
pepaaaaa :bounce:

Sonf@
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:50 PM
Great match and great week, María :hearts: :hearts:

Fired
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Congrats MJ! It's been such a long way... :yeah:

Vefci Y
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:51 PM
New Drop Shot Queen!

Uranium
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Mariajo:yeah:

#kArLoS#
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Mariajose:hearts::banana:
Congrats!!:yeah:.We´re so proud of you:kiss:

ce
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM
:woohoo:

Andreas
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM
I can almost feel food coming up now.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM
Congrats MJM! :woohoo:

Caro :hug:

LUXXXAS
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:53 PM
congrats to Maria Jose! :woohoo:
her game is so funny to watch :D

itzhak
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:54 PM
MJMS just killed Caro with her drop shots, she did it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again....

Imperfect Angel
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Caro :o :hug:
Well done MJMS.:)

hablo
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:55 PM
:eek:

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:55 PM
:haha:
Cheater play Well :rolls: Drop her way to the title
Caro pushing it too far out of the base lines today:spit:

Sharpie4me
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:55 PM
The most beautiful points must be the last two which MJMS won with dropshots from Pushzniacki's moonball :haha:

Andreas
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:57 PM
The most beautiful points must be the last two which MJMS won with dropshots from Pushzniacki's moonball :haha:

On the point at 30-30, MJMS moonballed and went to the net, Wozniacki tried to lob her :o MJMS was moonballing and drop shotting her way to the title.

M.P
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:57 PM
i hate those dropshot

Screampova

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:59 PM
MJMS just killed Caro with her drop shots, she did it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again....



I think in the training period coming up for her that's another thing Caro should work on, she struggled against Lisicki's drop shots too and even the commentators agreed that she was surprised at every single drop shot even though she should've wisened up after the first few.

Dodoboy.
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:01 PM
The BITTERNESS in the first post !

Kovalchuk
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:01 PM
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/dancing/penguin.gif

Shley
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:02 PM
Great drop shots and some decent volleys by MJMS where enough to win this,but besides that there wasnt much worth seeing in this match for neutral tennis fans I would imagine.

-NAJ-
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:06 PM
Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez is drop shot queen.

magician on wta tour

Marionated
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:06 PM
Well done, Maria! I don't like Caroline, but it's her birthday :hug:

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:07 PM
All the Wozniacki hate is so tiresome. She is a solid very hard working player who deserves all the success she has had.

That said I'm so pleased to see Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez win this. What an thrilling fun and sometimes downright cheeky game she game. All those dropshot returns were just insane. MJMS is a total pleasure to watch. Love her. :bowdown:

Nederlander RUS
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Maria Jose, a great week!! :banana:

winnermax
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:08 PM
What a great match for Sanchez!!
I have watched her matches that played against Navarro,Dulko and Wozniacki this week...
I'm very impressed by her wonderful drop shot!!

*Jool*
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:09 PM
:woohoo: bravo Pepa ! :bigclap: great win, great week ! :yeah:

Хлоэ
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:09 PM
All the Wozniacki hate is so tiresome. She is a solid very hard working player who deserves all the success she has had.


:yeah:

TF posters will never grow up i guess.

C.MARTINEZ
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:22 PM
MJMS :hearts::hearts:
What a win!!

Olisadebe
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:27 PM
Great job MJMS :) It was a great pleasure to watch you live during this week :)

Blu€
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Mariajo! :worship: impressive week :D
Caro :hug::hug: enjoy your birthday party!

Libertango
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:37 PM
Caro :sad:

But I like MJMS too, so congrats to her; is this her first title?

Ballbasher
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:39 PM
All the Wozniacki hate is so tiresome. She is a solid very hard working player who deserves all the success she has had.

That said I'm so pleased to see Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez win this. What an thrilling fun and sometimes downright cheeky game she game. All those dropshot returns were just insane. MJMS is a total pleasure to watch. Love her. :bowdown:
Yes and all they have is one argument. :o

#kArLoS#
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:39 PM
No,she won Bogota this season;)

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:40 PM
Big LOL

Libertango
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:55 PM
No,she won Bogota this season;)

Ah, thanks. What a good year for MJMS!

Dave.
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:58 PM
Congrats Maria-Jose :woohoo: :bowdown: Amazing player, so good to see her having all this success in singles and doubles this year, hoping that it will continue for a long time.


:tape:

God help the WTA Tour.

Maria-Jose is good for the tour.

FERLKE
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:02 PM
All the Wozniacki hate is so tiresome. She is a solid very hard working player who deserves all the success she has had.

Sharapova fans :o what do you expect? :lol:

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:10 PM
Maria-Jose is good for the tour.

Cheaters are never good for the tour.

joão.
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:12 PM
:spit:

Valanga
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:13 PM
Wozniacki:help:
Unexpected

Хлоэ
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:14 PM
Sharapova fans :o what do you expect? :lol:

one Sharapova "fan" posted silly OP and its now considered all the fans? :lol:

pwayne
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:22 PM
Congratualations to Maria Jose as she mixed her game up nicely mainly using the drop shot as she crashed Caroline's 19th birthday party.

Craig.
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:38 PM
Sharapova fans :o what do you expect? :lol:

:weirdo: And you think you're any better? :tape:

améliemomo
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:53 PM
mjms is a very good claycourt player with much of variety.

Not surprised she won the title. Her drop shots are deadly.Congrats girl:)

delicatecutter
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:55 PM
This isn't future GOAT behavior. I'm very disappointed.

Corswandt
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:01 PM
At least her detractors have a moment to celebrate now , god knows they're not getting many at the moment :kiss:

Oh, we've had plenty. Blasted clean off the court in the Charleston final, whomped by generic Azarenka in Rome, outclassed by the the second most unconvincing #1 in WTA history in the Madrid final, losses to lower ranked players at both RG and Wimbledon...

But losing the final of a MM event to a player with a jurassic game sure takes the cake.

Corswandt
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:24 PM
Anyways.

MJMS's old skool game really is refreshing to see these days. S&Ving on clay - and getting away with it - is downright awesome. :worship:

What was surprising about this match was the way in which MJMS outplayed and even overpowered Wozniacki in a number of baseline rallies, considering how useless her FH is. Whole games go by without her managing to hit a FH past the service line, even though Wozniacki's junk sometimes gave her the time she needed to hit it with some more authority and depth. Even her FH volleys are unreliable. But her funky BH is actually a pretty useful shot, and her dropshots are a riot - particularly those she hit off 1st serves from Wozniacki. :lol:

Still, I thought MJMS was done when, after breaking Wozniacki and serving to level the score in the 2nd at 2-1*, she played a suicidal near 100% S&V game to get herself broken again. It took major amounts of suckage from Wozniacki for her to lose that 2nd set. The last two points (first - MJMS invites Wozniacki to an exchange of moonballs and then sneaks up to the net to put away Wozniacki's loopy ball; second - cheeky dropshot off another moonball from Wozniacki) were priceless.

To her credit, Wozniacki doesn't even try to impersonate a top player. She just plays her (one-dimensional) game to the best of her (limited) abilities, and picks her schedule to dodge the top players and collect those ranking points wherever possible.

But apart from the match vs Pennetta, Wozniacki was thoroughly underwhelming and unconvincing - even at the MM level.

delicatecutter
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:30 PM
MJMS now has the same number of Top 10 wins this season as Wozniacki. :help:

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:47 PM
Congrats MJ :yeah:

LCS
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:11 PM
:spit:

tea
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:28 PM
MJMS now has the same number of Top 10 wins this season as Wozniacki. :help:
Oh, give it up! The tour is saved for a while.:p

oleada
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:30 PM
Yay, I picked MJMS for the race game!
I knew this would happen, Wozniacki has played like crap all week and MJMS has been impressive.

Uranium
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:34 PM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/f1/fullj.378b6c227727cc0bab957529a61ed2f9/378b6c227727cc0bab957529a61ed2f9-getty-tennis-swedish-open-final-martinez-sanchez-wozniacki.jpg

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:37 PM
Oh, we've had plenty. Blasted clean off the court in the Charleston final, whomped by generic Azarenka in Rome, outclassed by the the second most unconvincing #1 in WTA history in the Madrid final, losses to lower ranked players at both RG and Wimbledon...

But losing the final of a MM event to a player with a jurassic game sure takes the cake.



Losing to the World #1 on her best surface and her own worst , "blasted off" by a formidable player in Charleston final + Wimby 4R who's beaten more than her fair share of top tenners already this year and going down in two tough sets at the FO whilst having back injury.

She's not going to win every single match and other than a few odd losses at the start of the year she's had understandable ones. But hey..if you revel the chance to celebrate in any of her losses then good for you , what can I say.

Sander.
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:38 PM
MJ :yeah:

Caro, nothing to shame about! Focus on the hardcourt season :)

Lulu.
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:45 PM
:spit:

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:48 PM
yea, was kinda expecting this, but at least she made the final on her worst surface. One could see the difference in how Caroline crushed Kirilenko at Wimbledon on grass and the narrow win over her at this tournament on red clay.

When Caroline beat Kuznetsova on grass everyone downplayed her win because "Kuznetsova sucks on grass". But when Caroline reaches a final on her worst surface (for the second time this year, the other was a PREMIER MANDATORY tournament) and loses a close match to a clay player, she just plain sucks. Haha, give me a break.

Venus sucks on clay. Serena failed miserably on clay this season. Kuznetsova sucks on grass etc. At least Caroline is a threat even on her worst surface.


Time for her best surface now...

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:49 PM
:spit: Wozniacki's only title is a green clay MM. Now she is losing to even the unscrupulous lots.

What a sight for this future "slam champion."

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:53 PM
:spit: Wozniacki's only title is a green clay MM. Now she is losing to even the unscrupulous lots.

What a sight for this future "slam champion."

She has 5 titles.On clay, hard and grass. Tier 2 and premier titles too. That's two titles more than Azarenka and she's a whole year younger.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:56 PM
Pathetic. The Cheater won.
Moonballer lost :sad:
Pointless week :lol:

Just wish she didn't lose to this wannnabe Henin, ah well!

Rest now! Least she made it all the way to the final day for her Scandinavian fans!
Wannabe henin? Henin didnt even S&V much of grass. :(
The BITTERNESS in the first post !
but truth :sad:
Yes and all they have is one argument. :o
which is true, banny. :sad:
Anyways.

MJMS's old skool game really is refreshing to see these days. S&Ving on clay - and getting away with it - is downright awesome. :worship:

What was surprising about this match was the way in which MJMS outplayed and even overpowered Wozniacki in a number of baseline rallies, considering how useless her FH is. Whole games go by without her managing to hit a FH past the service line, even though Wozniacki's junk sometimes gave her the time she needed to hit it with some more authority and depth. Even her FH volleys are unreliable. But her funky BH is actually a pretty useful shot, and her dropshots are a riot - particularly those she hit off 1st serves from Wozniacki. :lol:

Still, I thought MJMS was done when, after breaking Wozniacki and serving to level the score in the 2nd at 2-1*, she played a suicidal near 100% S&V game to get herself broken again. It took major amounts of suckage from Wozniacki for her to lose that 2nd set. The last two points (first - MJMS invites Wozniacki to an exchange of moonballs and then sneaks up to the net to put away Wozniacki's loopy ball; second - cheeky dropshot off another moonball from Wozniacki) were priceless.

To her credit, Wozniacki doesn't even try to impersonate a top player. She just plays her (one-dimensional) game to the best of her (limited) abilities, and picks her schedule to dodge the top players and collect those ranking points wherever possible.

But apart from the match vs Pennetta, Wozniacki was thoroughly underwhelming and unconvincing - even at the MM level.
:hysteric:
MJMS now has the same number of Top 10 wins this season as Wozniacki. :help:
:hysteric:x2.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:58 PM
She has 5 titles.On clay, hard and grass. Tier 2 and premier titles too. That's two titles more than Azarenka and she's a whole year younger.
Must you bring Azarenka into everything? :tears: Caro is caro, no need to compare her with others.

oleada
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Must you bring Azarenka into everything? :tears: Caro is caro, no need to compare her with others.

He's obsessed w/comparing Vika and Caro :help:

iPatty
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:01 PM
Must you bring Azarenka into everything? :tears: Caro is caro, no need to compare her with others.

He feels the need to validate Caroline's MM titles by comparing her with the player that everyone knows will end up with a better career than her. Quite sad, even, that he has to bring age into it in every occasion.

saul1333
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:01 PM
Nice :)

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:02 PM
Exactly. Caroline has yet to even reach a slam QF. Few players that have been in the Top 10 can say they haven't done that.

Azarenka is on a streak of two straight and likely three. Someone will bounce Wozniacki quick on the fast courts of Flushing Meadows.

Ajrob
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:03 PM
Yay!!! Mariajo :bounce: :bounce:

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:06 PM
Must you bring Azarenka into everything? :tears: Caro is caro, no need to compare her with others.

lol yea, because it's prohibited to compare tennis players on a tennis forum right? Like no one has ever compared Serena to Venus or Henin to Hingis or Graf to Navratilova? Azarenka and Caroline are the two front runners right now of the new generation (8th and 9th respectively) so of course they are going to be compared to each other :rolleyes:

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:11 PM
lol yea, because it's prohibited to compare tennis players on a tennis forum right? Like no one has ever compared Serena to Venus or Henin to Hingis or Graf to Navratilova? Azarenka and Caroline are the two front runners right now of the new generation (8th and 9th respectively) so of course they are going to be compared to each other :rolleyes:

Wozniacki is not the front runner of anything? Azarenka has a Tier I. Despite having less titles, I'd much rather have Azarenka's titles. I don't think anyone would deny that.

Wozniacki is enjoying a nice season of results. Lets see her consolidate it in '10. A player with a game like hers in inevitably going to drop in the rankings once more of the tour regains form.

I've seen it all when Wozniacki was being outhit by Jankovic on grass and lost.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:13 PM
Exactly. Caroline has yet to even reach a slam QF. Few players that have been in the Top 10 can say they haven't done that.

Azarenka is on a streak of two straight and likely three. Someone will bounce Wozniacki quick on the fast courts of Flushing Meadows.

Caroline made like 4 QFs (1 final) in a row at PREMIER MANDATORY tournaments where all the big names were present as well. It's just coicidence it didn't happen at a slam. Yet. Look at Stosur and Cirstea making SF at French Open. It doesn't mean they're better players than Caroline. I mean, Cirstea couldn't even make it past second round at this MM tournament. Only reason she made QF at FO instead of Caroline was because Caroline was injured.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:18 PM
Wozniacki is not the front runner of anything? Azarenka has a Tier I. Despite having less titles, I'd much rather have Azarenka's titles. I don't think anyone would deny that.

Wozniacki is enjoying a nice season of results. Lets see her consolidate it in '10. A player with a game like hers in inevitably going to drop in the rankings once more of the tour regains form.

I've seen it all when Wozniacki was being outhit by Jankovic on grass and lost.


I said Azarenka and Caroline are the front runners right now of the new generation. Which other teenage player is ranked higher than them? None. Like I said, they are 8th and 9th respectively so yes, they are ahead of the other young-guns right now = front runners.

Azarenka only has that tier 1 because Serena was injured. We all saw what a healthy Serena did to a healthy Azarenka at Wimbledon, but other than that, yes, I agree that a tier 1 title is better than a tier 2 title.

Wozniacki outhit on grass by Jankovic? So? Grass is not Caroline's best surface and Wozniacki was very young and green back then.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:18 PM
Big deal Wozniacki made 4 QFs in a row. Everyone was slumping then that she faced for the most part anyways.

Like I said. A player with her game will eventually figure out her true place in the rankings. Once more of the bigger players get back to where they belong, Wozniacki will find the going very tough with her tattered game. She simply has nothing to worry anyone except lower ranked players who struggle with consistency.

She even got outhit and outplayed by 38 year old Date-Krumm. Got a break because after all she is 38 and started to struggle with her fitness. Wozniacki is enjoying a nice run and a good year for her standards, but in no way is she going to keep this up.

Still she has yet to come through a big upset in a slam and really cement her name everywhere. You can only mention her getting to QFs of Tier Is. Big deal? All that says is when she got to the later rounds where the competition really is, her game got snuffed out for what it was.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:19 PM
lol yea, because it's prohibited to compare tennis players on a tennis forum right? Like no one has ever compared Serena to Venus or Henin to Hingis or Graf to Navratilova? Azarenka and Caroline are the two front runners right now of the new generation (8th and 9th respectively) so of course they are going to be compared to each other :rolleyes:
Well it was just unecessary and you're just trying to prove a point which can't be proved. :help: Miami title + GS QFs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MM titles Stanford and MM Eastbourne. FULL STOP. And I dont care if there's "one whollllllleeeee year separating them, players' games mature at different ages, Caroline's at 18, Azarenka's at 19. Deal with it.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:22 PM
The sad thing is Wozniacki's game has already matured.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:24 PM
She even got outhit and outplayed by 38 year old Date-Krumm. Got a break because after all she is 38 and started to struggle with her fitness. Wozniacki is enjoying a nice run and a good year for her standards, but in no way is she going to keep this up.

She has things to work on. She needs to be better at the net and be better at countering those dropshots.

Wozniacki is enjoying a good season for the second year in a row. So far Caroline has been more succesful than Azarenka in her 17th and 18th year. Yes, Azarenka has won tier 1, but that was in her 19th year and Caroline just turned 19 today.

So whether you like it or not, she's been one of the most consistant players lately. I agree that a slump will inevitably come at some point so it'll be interesting to see how she deals with that, but everyone slumps.


Caroline's game has NOT matured.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:24 PM
Caroline made like 4 QFs (1 final) in a row at PREMIER MANDATORY tournaments where all the big names were present as well. It's just coicidence it didn't happen at a slam. Yet. Look at Stosur and Cirstea making SF at French Open. It doesn't mean they're better players than Caroline. I mean, Cirstea couldn't even make it past second round at this MM tournament. Only reason she made QF at FO instead of Caroline was because Caroline was injured.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Bar some freak Golovin injuries, Sorana will be a MUCH more accomplished player than Caroline, you heard it here first. Her game has taken long to mature but its just better. And in fact, that FO was the few times that Caroline was being aggresive and she played pretty well, Sorana just played better and won through in the end. Deal with it, even PMJJ's injuries are just as suspicious as the real thing. :help:

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:26 PM
She has things to work on. She needs to be better at the net and be better at countering those dropshots.

Wozniacki is enjoying a good season for the second year in a row. So far Caroline has been more succesful than Azarenka in her 17th and 18th year. Yes, Azarenka has won tier 1, but that was in her 19th year and Caroline just turned 19 today.

So whether you like it or not, she's been one of the most consistant players lately. I agree that a slump will inevitably come at some point so it'll be interesting to see how she deals with that, but everyone slumps.


Caroline's game has NOT matured.
There's not much for it to mature into. :help:

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:26 PM
Wozniacki's results at the slams relative to her MM results says it all. She picks on lower ranked players who struggle with their consistency. Bullies them around for easier points.

When she gets to the bigger events, she gets bounced in the category of every other non-factor, on a plane to her next destination.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:26 PM
Well it was just unecessary and you're just trying to prove a point which can't be proved.


lol, practically every post you make about Caroline is unnecessary too, does that mean you're going to stop? :lol:

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:27 PM
lol, practically every post you make about Caroline is unnecessary too, does that mean you're going to stop? :lol:
:lol: Unnecessary? Possibly, but true? Hell yes. I wasn't even having a dig at you or caroline in the first place. You just seem to have some insecurities about Azarenka.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:29 PM
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Bar some freak Golovin injuries, Sorana will be a MUCH more accomplished player than Caroline, you heard it here first. Her game has taken long to mature but its just better. And in fact, that FO was the few times that Caroline was being aggresive and she played pretty well, Sorana just played better and won through in the end. Deal with it, even PMJJ's injuries are just as suspicious as the real thing. :help:

yea, that's why Sorana lost second round of this MM tournament right, on the same surface? :lol: She got lucky at FO. She hasn't been able to consistently deliver throughtout a longer period.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:29 PM
Wozniacki's results at the slams relative to her MM results says it all. She picks on lower ranked players who struggle with their consistency. Bullies them around for easier points.

When she gets to the bigger events, she gets bounced in the category of every other non-factor, on a plane to her next destination.
You really are a good poster when not talking about Tati. :p

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:34 PM
The sad thing is now she can't even win MM events. Only lose in the final in straight sets. :bigcry:

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:35 PM
yea, that's why Sorana lost second round of this MM tournament right, on the same surface? :lol: She got lucky at FO. She hasn't been able to consistently deliver throughtout a longer period.
She brought it at the big event. :shrug: The same can't be said for caroline. She even brought it at Wimbledon on her worst surface, she was matching Azarenka blow for blow there and had her chances but lost to the more experienced player and the in form player. I'm sure she will bring it in the HC season. Who cares about MM tournaments? Oh, sorry, only Wozniacki fans.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:36 PM
And Jankovic who can only win Marbella. :rolls:

At the end of the day, Wozniacki isn't about to rise anymore in the rankings. Especially since Azarenka has little to defend. She only has one direction to go but down.

I actually am hoping Wozniacki gets into the YEC somehow just to see how badly she would get thrashed and go 0-3.

"All of the girls are dangerous even maybe Hantuchova Wozniacki."

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Wozniacki's results at the slams relative to her MM results says it all. She picks on lower ranked players who struggle with their consistency. Bullies them around for easier points.

When she gets to the bigger events, she gets bounced in the category of every other non-factor, on a plane to her next destination.

She crushed Dementieva 3 times in a row this year. Dementieva was the closest to beating Serena at this year's Wimbledon. Hell, even Caroline had 4 match points against Serena earlier this year.

With that said, I agree that Caroline needs to step it up against top 10 player and not let herself get intimidated. But that'll come in time. She's still young.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Backing things up with Serena quotes. Serena said she was Russian. Will we see her in Fed Cup this year?

Almost doesn't count. Wozniacki has never beat Serena. Transitive tennis never works. Wozniacki couldn't even dream herself into a Wimbledon SF. She would get outhit by any competent 200 player.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:42 PM
She brought it at the big event. :shrug: The same can't be said for caroline. She even brought it at Wimbledon on her worst surface, she was matching Azarenka blow for blow there and had her chances but lost to the more experienced player and the in form player. I'm sure she will bring it in the HC season. Who cares about MM tournaments? Oh, sorry, only Wozniacki fans.

Premier mandotories are big events too since all the top players are present. 4 QFs and a final in a row at premier mandatories ia better than one fluke slam SF as far as I'm concerned.

As for us only caring about MM tournaments? Yea sure, that's why I wrote this like 3 days ago:
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=16037664#post16037664
(see Nidal and Dodoboy saying the same thing)
:wavey:

Craig.
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:43 PM
She crushed Dementieva 3 times in a row this year. Dementieva was the closest to beating Serena at this year's Wimbledon. Hell, even Caroline had 4 match points against Serena earlier this year.

64 57 75.
75 64.

Yeah, the only thing missing is a double bagel :weirdo:

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:46 PM
She crushed Dementieva 3 times in a row this year. Dementieva was the closest to beating Serena at this year's Wimbledon. Hell, even Caroline had 4 match points against Serena earlier this year.

With that said, I agree that Caroline needs to step it up against top 10 player and not let herself get intimidated. But that'll come in time. She's still young.
Crushed? :help: And in that tournament Serena was playing like crap, she get crushed 6-3 6-1 by Demented FFS. And Serena saved MPs vs Stosur too. :D
Premier mandotories are big events too since all the top players are present. 4 QFs and a final in a row at premier mandatories ia better than one fluke slam SF as far as I'm concerned.

As for us only caring about MM tournaments? Yea sure, that's why I wrote this like 2 days ago:
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=16037664#post16037664
:wavey:
Yeah, the players she beat there were mightyy impressive.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:47 PM
64 57 75.
75 64.

Yeah, the only thing missing is a double bagel :weirdo:
Death. :hysteric:

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:47 PM
Wozniacki will go out in R3 of the US and all will be well.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Yeah, the players she beat there were mightyy impressive.

Not Caroline's fault that most the other top 10 players couldn't cut it. Caroline beat the players that beat them.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:51 PM
64 57 75.
75 64.

Yeah, the only thing missing is a double bagel :weirdo:



yes, crushed. As in beat, overcame, defeated. Don't tell me how to pick my verbs. If I meant "double-bagel'ed", I would've said that.

oleada
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:52 PM
Caroline has only beat two top 20 players to reach those Mandatory QF (Schnyder and Dementieva), so I'm not sure why they keep being quoted as impressive. Hell, Caroline has a terrible record against players who are ranked higher than her this year. She's only beaten Dementieva, twice. They're also her only top 10 wins. She's won a lot of matches, but a lot of them are against players who are ranked a lot, lot lower.

While it's true that a player can only beat the one that's in front of her, it's also fair to view those runs as less impressive as someone who beat top players to win her titles.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Caroline has only beat two top 20 players to reach those Mandatory QF (Schnyder and Dementieva), so I'm not sure why they keep being quoted as impressive. Hell, Caroline has a terrible record against players who are ranked higher than her this year. She's only beaten Dementieva, twice. They're also her only top 10 wins. She's won a lot of matches, but a lot of them are against players who are ranked a lot, lot lower.

While it's true that a player can only beat the one that's in front of her, it's also fair to view those runs as less impressive as someone who beat top players to win her titles.
Amen to that.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Caroline has only beat two top 20 players to reach those Mandatory QF (Schnyder and Dementieva), so I'm not sure why they keep being quoted as impressive. Hell, Caroline has a terrible record against players who are ranked higher than her this year. She's only beaten Dementieva, twice. They're also her only top 10 wins.

While it's true that a player can only beat the one that's in front of her, it's also fair to view those runs as less impressive as someone who beat top players to win her titles.

She beat the players who beat the top 10 players. She's done that like 10 times this year. If she could beat the player who beat the top 10 player, then chances are she could've beaten the top 10 player too. Just bad luck for her that this and that top 10 player got eliminated before she had a chance to beat them herself.

If Azarenka's tier 1 title counts (against injured Serena), then Caroline's premier mandatory QFs and final are valid too.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:03 PM
The fact that you continue to mention only a worthless string QF LOSSES at a tournament as Wozniacki's saving grace says a lot.

Even Ivanovic this year managed to reach a Tier I final.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:04 PM
We never said her QFs weren't valid. They just aren't worth a damn.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:06 PM
We never said her QFs weren't valid. They just aren't worth a damn.

But Cirstea's fluke-y one-time slam SF is?


4 mandatory QFs and 1 mandatory final > one fluke slam SF

Joe.
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:07 PM
caro :sad:

but to all those bitter caro fans mj was the better player thats why she won.:) and as for her being a wannabe henin, well thats just retarded:)

Hayato
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:08 PM
I think I was one of the few who saw this coming! MJMS is amazing!

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:08 PM
But Cirstea's fluke-y one-time slam SF is?


4 mandatory QFs and 1 mandatory final > one fluke slam SF

Wozniacki is a joke. I never supported Cirstea's SF in anyway. Nor have I even mentioned her in my post. I simply said Wozniacki's results isn't worth a damn.

She can be a MM queen all she wants. No one will remember that and I'm sure even she wishes she could be more successful in bigger events instead of getting trashed and hit off the court in convincing fashion.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:09 PM
The fact that you continue to mention only a worthless string QF LOSSES at a tournament as Wozniacki's saving grace says a lot.

Even Ivanovic this year managed to reach a Tier I final.

Caroline reached a tier 1 final in Madrid too. ON HER WORST SURFACE.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:13 PM
But Cirstea's fluke-y one-time slam SF is?


4 mandatory QFs and 1 mandatory final > one fluke slam SF
:help: So now you're directing your irrational hate at Sorana too? Sorana has only just started working with the Adidas team as well as the additional stress on her considering, well, she's still going to school its only a matter of time before you wont be able to talk crap about her, treasure it while it lasts. :D

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:14 PM
She can be a MM queen all she wants. No one will remember that and I'm sure even she wishes she could be more successful in bigger events instead of getting trashed and hit off the court in convincing fashion.


No one is going to remember a tier 1 win over an injured Serena either.

Does that mean Azarenka will never amount to anything either?


Both Azarenka and Wozniacki are still young and I'm sure their best results are yet to come.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Caroline reached a tier 1 final in Madrid too. ON HER WORST SURFACE.
R64H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781%7E12631%7E10493,00.html) PEER, SHAHAR (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781%7E10493,00.html) (ISR) 54

R32H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781%7E12631%7E4939,00.html) LEPCHENKO, VARVARA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781%7E4939,00.html) (USA) 113

R16H2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781%7E12631%7E11068,00.html) KLEYBANOVA, ALISA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781%7E11068,00.html) (RUS) 26

QH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781%7E12631%7E9944,00.html) DUSHEVINA, VERA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781%7E9944,00.html) (RUS) 67

SH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781%7E12631%7E5394,00.html) MAURESMO, AMELIE (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781%7E5394,00.html) (FRA) 21

FH2H (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/HeadToHead/0,,12781%7E12631%7E8108,00.html) (1) SAFINA, DINARA (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/Player/Info/0,,12781%7E8108,00.html) (RUS) 1


Just sayin'.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:16 PM
In my opinion , Wozniacki will reach a GS QF when she's ready to , and I'd rather that happen so that if she does get to those stages she does so fairly consistently rather than get there by a fluke and not be able to defend them effectively the following year ala Cirstea/Cibulkova.

And I have to laugh at the poster claiming Wozniacki to be a joke. I think their own tennis knowledge , or lack of rather, shown by making statements such as Wozniacki has only won one title or that she hasn't reached a Tier I final this year just shows that they don't really have much information to judge her by , they just want to spout their irrational dislike basically.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:16 PM
How do you know Cirstea/Cibulkova won't reach the SFs next year?

Glad to know you can predict the future.

Wozniacki is a joke.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:18 PM
No one is going to remember a tier 1 win over an injured Serena either.

Does that mean Azarenka will never amount to anything either?


Both Azarenka and Wozniacki are still young and I'm sure their best results are yet to come.
Oh, we all do, maybe you don't, that must be why you're still trying to prove that Caroline is better.
In my opinion , Wozniacki will reach a GS QF when she's ready to , and I'd rather that happen so that if she does get to those stages she does so fairly consistently rather than get there by a fluke and not be able to defend them effectively the following year ala Cirstea/Cibulkova.

And I have to laugh at the poster claiming Wozniacki to be a joke. I think their own tennis knowledge , or lack of rather, shown by making statements such as Wozniacki has only won one title or that she hasn't reached a Tier I final this year just shows that they don't really have much information to judge her by , they just want to spout their irrational dislike basically.
:spit: Its been a month since the French Open, are you Psychic?

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:19 PM
:help: So now you're directing your irrational hate at Sorana too? Sorana has only just started working with the Adidas team as well as the additional stress on her considering, well, she's still going to school its only a matter of time before you wont be able to talk crap about her, treasure it while it lasts. :D

Blah blah... it's not hate. I'm just comparing Wozniacki to her peers. Wozniacki and Sorana good friends and I have nothing against Sorana either. But when people try to pretend like Caroline hasn't proven herself because she doesn't happen to have made a slam QF, I'm pointing to Sorana who has made a slam SF, yet hasn't been nearly as succesful and consistant as Caroline has overall, and on top of that Sorana lost the second round of this MM tournament. What does that show? That consistantly making finals (Caro has made what? 5 or 6 finals this year?), even at some lower tier tournaments isn't as easy as some of you make it out to be, not even for players who have made slam QFs and SFs.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:19 PM
a moonball away from a slam she is!

igralec33
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:23 PM
I start watched match when was 75 14 and I have to say Martinez Sanchez again impress me with her style of game! :yeah:
She plays so great. Drop shots, serve&volley, spins services ... Just amazing! :worship: And she also plays with left hand. :) After this match I really must add MJMS to my favourite players. :D

Good luck next week in Palermo! :yeah:

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:23 PM
How do you know Cirstea/Cibulkova won't reach the SFs next year?

Glad to know you can predict the future.

Wozniacki is a joke.


Some things just require some intuition.If they do then you can bump up this post if you like , and they might if they get a cakewalk draw where any competition is removed , although to be fair to Cirstea she did beat Jankovic , but Jankovic can't beat a decent player to save her life these days. It seems funny how people criticise Wozniacki for getting far in tournaments due to taking advantage of easy draws but the same players she's compared to had exactly the same situation.

Plus I don't see why my predictions are any more ridiculous than people claiming Wozniacki won't be a top player , after all , even Jankovic had 10 straight losses a couple of years ago didn't she? No-one then predicted she could've been #1 , especially with how flaky her playing style was at the time.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Oh, we all do, maybe you don't, that must be why you're still trying to prove that Caroline is better.

:spit: Its been a month since the French Open, are you Psychic?

People here also remember Sabine's win at Charleston.

Talking about the more general public years from now. If that tier 1 title is all Azarenka ever does, no one is going to give a shit about her legacy. People only really remember the slam wins right?

But like I said, I think both Azarenka's and Caroline's best results are yet to come. They're both young. They're both improving. They're both front runners of the new generation right now.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:25 PM
Oh, we all do, maybe you don't, that must be why you're still trying to prove that Caroline is better.

:spit: Its been a month since the French Open, are you Psychic?



Well you make constant predictions of how Wozniacki's career won't amount to much , are you psychic? My predictions , if ridiculous , aren't any more so than those.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Cirstea beat your favorite AND Jankovic. The correct two seeds that anyone wishing to get to the SFs would have faced. She deserved her place. There was no significant upsets in her doing of the SFs. She faced what the draw had for anyone. Wozniacki and Jankovic were the slated and highest seeds she could have faced.

Cibulkova's draw can be contributed somewhat to seeds being upset. Cirstea's was due to her own racquet sending Wozniacki on a plane to London.

tea
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:27 PM
This discussions are more boring than the Wozniacki's gamestyle(by the haters definition). It's just the right time to start a separate 'Will Caroline ever reach a GS QF?' thread, isn't it?

Sick of it all.:(

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:29 PM
Blah blah... it's not hate. I'm just comparing Wozniacki to her peers. Wozniacki and Sorana good friends and I have nothing against Sorana either. But when people try to pretend like Caroline hasn't proven herself because she doesn't happen to have made a slam QF, I'm poiting to Sorana who has made a slam SF, yet hasn't been nearly as succesful and consistant as Caroline has overall, and on top of that Sorana lost the second round of this MM tournament. What does that show? That consistantly making finals (Caro has made what, 5 or 6 finals this year), even at some lower tier tournaments isn't as easy as some of you make it out to be, even for players who have made slam QFs and SFs.
Its been like a month since the French Open, jeez, give her some time! She's been sick this week and she lost, big deal, it happens to the best of people. She played well at wimbledon and pushed Azarenka, it wasn't a fluke at the French Open, it was her coming out tournament. It wasn't like Cibulkova who had a cakewalk and then played a Maria playing one of the worst matches of her life, she worked and beat two top 10 players and showed what she could do, even if it isn't hate, it's still complete bullshit. Sorana has weapons, she's just slowly learning how to use them and how to consistently use them. Stop talking like you know about her and her game.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:33 PM
Well you make constant predictions of how Wozniacki's career won't amount to much , are you psychic? My predictions , if ridiculous , aren't any more so than those.
I have never said that Wozniacki is gonna fall down to no.57 in the next year, but its been a year since she's started playing at this level and I see no improvement from New Haven to now, its been a MONTH for Sori, a MONTH. And even at Wimbledon her game was impressive.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:34 PM
Cirstea beat your favorite AND Jankovic. The correct two seeds that anyone wishing to get to the SFs would have faced. She deserved her place. There was no significant upsets in her doing of the SFs. She faced what the draw had for anyone. Wozniacki and Jankovic were the slated and highest seeds she could have faced.

Cibulkova's draw can be contributed somewhat to seeds being upset. Cirstea's was due to her own racquet sending Wozniacki on a plane to London.



Firstly , Cirstea didn't get to the SF's , she got to the QF's and secondly whether people want to acknowledge it or not , Wozniacki's back + shoulder were injured in her match against Cirstea. Anyone watching that match would've realised it , especially since her first serves were reaching only 60mph tops and yet the match still went to 7-6 7-5. I'm not saying Cirstea didn't deserve her place there , anyone who gets as far as they did deserves their place in any tournament as you play whoever makes it that far. I'm just saying that she didn't achieve this amazing feat by reaching the QF as Wozniacki, had she been fully fit would've been just as likely to get to the QF on the level she was playing.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Wozniacki was sooo injured but is competing shortly after and even winning a tournament. She just got outplayed by a more offensive player.

IF she was really injured she shouldn't have played at all to risk injury especially since clearly she had no chance of doing well.

And Jankovic would have bounced Wozniacki. It's a matchup problem no matter Jankovic's form. Wozniacki doesn't threat Jankovic at all. And it is the few top players where Jankovic actually has more pace of shot.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:38 PM
Cirstea beat your favorite AND Jankovic. The correct two seeds that anyone wishing to get to the SFs would have faced. She deserved her place. There was no significant upsets in her doing of the SFs. She faced what the draw had for anyone. Wozniacki and Jankovic were the slated and highest seeds she could have faced.

Cibulkova's draw can be contributed somewhat to seeds being upset. Cirstea's was due to her own racquet sending Wozniacki on a plane to London.

Cirstea was just lucky she hit an injured Wozniacki and a slumping Jankovic. A healthy Wozniacki would've beaten both Cirstea (she almost did injured lol) AND a slumping Jankovic, as far as I'm concerned.

See? It's so easy to downplay achievements. You can downplay Caroline's mandatory QFs and final for "only" beating the players who beat the top 10 players, but you can also downplay Azarenka's tier 1 win for beating an injured Serena in the final and Cirstea for only making slam SF because of the bad state of her opponents and substantiate it with her coming short in pretty much anything outside of that slam.

In my opinion they're all good achievements.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Wozniacki was sooo injured but is competing shortly after and even winning a tournament. She just got outplayed by a more offensive player.

IF she was really injured she shouldn't have played at all to risk injury especially since clearly she had no chance of doing well.

And Jankovic would have bounced Wozniacki. It's a matchup problem no matter Jankovic's form. Wozniacki doesn't threat Jankovic at all. And it is the few top players where Jankovic actually has more pace of shot.

She was. Even Cirstea admitted it. And they talked about it before the match because Wozniacki got injured in a double match with Cirstea so Cirstea knew about Caroline's injury going into their single match which was an even bigger advantage for her, KNOWING that Caroline wouldn't be able to serve at her full capacity. Cirstea also admitted to it after the match.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:41 PM
I have never said that Wozniacki is gonna fall down to no.57 in the next year, but its been a year since she's started playing at this level and I see no improvement from New Haven to now, its been a MONTH for Sori, a MONTH. And even at Wimbledon her game was impressive.



You say that, yet her results have actually improved , surely that's a result of her improvement generally as a player? The serve is definetely something that has improved and recently she's been playing more aggressively than she usually does , although she still often reverts to passive play.

At the moment she's still on the way up , this argument would hold more ground if she suddenly stalled and wasn't getting any significant results on tour.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Firstly , Cirstea didn't get to the SF's , she got to the QF's and secondly whether people want to acknowledge it or not , Wozniacki's back + shoulder were injured in her match against Cirstea. Anyone watching that match would've realised it , especially since her first serves were reaching only 60mph tops and yet the match still went to 7-6 7-5. I'm not saying Cirstea didn't deserve her place there , anyone who gets as far as they did deserves their place in any tournament as you play whoever makes it that far. I'm just saying that she didn't achieve this amazing feat by reaching the QF as Wozniacki, had she been fully fit would've been just as likely to get to the QF on the level she was playing.
Her first serves weren't that slow, :shrug: her second serves weren't but she was taking power off her serve which can be good in some cases as you get a higher %. :shrug: It still wasn't a massive factor in the match. Her groundies were fine.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Its not as if Wozniacki's second serve is much higher than 60s. At its best its only 75 anyway.
Her entire game is a waste of a 5'11" frame.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:42 PM
You say that, yet her results have actually improved , surely that's a result of her improvement generally as a player? The serve is definetely something that has improved and recently she's been playing more aggressively than she usually does , although she still often reverts to passive play.

At the moment she's still on the way up , this argument would hold more ground if she suddenly stalled and wasn't getting any significant results on tour.
New Haven was probably her best tournament. :shrug: The point is, she's top 10 now and yet she's still getting bossed around by any good player playing well. :shrug: She's being very consistent, yes, but if she can't beat people above her bar Slumpmentieva then how is she ever gonna rise higher?

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Her first serves weren't that slow, :shrug: her second serves weren't but she was taking power off her serve which can be good in some cases as you get a higher %. :shrug: It still wasn't a massive factor in the match. Her groundies were fine.


It wasn't a massive factor. But it was a factor. And seeing how close the match was (first set tiebreak), it could've easily been a deciding factor. Of course when Caroline also displaced her spine vertebrae in the second set, she was pretty much chanceless. Shoulder injury + spine injury = no go.

FORZA SARITA
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Maria :bowdown:

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:44 PM
Wozniacki was sooo injured but is competing shortly after and even winning a tournament. She just got outplayed by a more offensive player.

IF she was really injured she shouldn't have played at all to risk injury especially since clearly she had no chance of doing well.

And Jankovic would have bounced Wozniacki. It's a matchup problem no matter Jankovic's form. Wozniacki doesn't threat Jankovic at all. And it is the few top players where Jankovic actually has more pace of shot.



I'm sorry but do you watch tennis at all? Wozniacki has troubled Jankovic a lot in their previous matches and both went to three sets and this was when Jankovic was at her best during the USO.

Plus as I said , she was injured whether you want to acknowledge it or not , anyone watching that match would've known it.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Its not as if Wozniacki's second serve is much higher than 60s. At its best its only 75 anyway.
Her entire game is a waste of a 5'11" frame.

That game and frame has earned her almost 2 million dollars and she just turned 19. What a waste! :lol:


She's only 5'10" as far as I know... if not 5'9.5"

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Jankovic was not at her best during US. She almost lost to Arvidsson, as you said went three with Wozniacki, was down a break in both sets against Dementieva. She could have lost so many times. Her getting to the final was mostly on confidence and no one being able to put her away.

Jankovic would have won that match especially since Wozniacki was SOOOOOOOOO injured like you say.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:48 PM
Cirstea was just lucky she hit an injured Wozniacki and a slumping Jankovic. A healthy Wozniacki would've beaten both Cirstea (she almost did injured lol) AND a slumping Jankovic, as far as I'm concerned.

See? It's so easy to downplay achievements. You can downplay Caroline's mandatory QFs and final for "only" beating the players who beat the top 10 players, but you can also downplay Azarenka's tier 1 win for beating an injured Serena in the final and Cirstea for only making slam SF because of the bad state of her opponents and substantiate it with her coming short in pretty much anything outside of that slam.

In my opinion they're all good achievements.
I repeat, its been A MONTH. And I repeat, she played a great match vs Azarenka for most of it. She got to the same stage as Caroline but there was like a 40 place difference in the players they lost to. :shrug::lol:

Oh so she would've added 10 mph to her max first and second serves, hardly result-changing. Sorana won because she was and is the better player when playing well. Deal with it.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:49 PM
New Haven was probably her best tournament. :shrug: The point is, she's top 10 now and yet she's still getting bossed around by any good player playing well. :shrug: She's being very consistent, yes, but if she can't beat people above her bar Slumpmentieva then how is she ever gonna rise higher?



I guess we'll just have to wait and see here , she's not played many top tenners this year so she lacks the experience and also , much as I hate to repeat it , she's still young so has the time to develop as a player. At their level when they were 18/19 would anyone have seriously suggested Safina and Jankovic would be future #1's?

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:50 PM
Jankovic was better back then than she was when she lost to Cirstea. And additionally, Caroline was more green last year. So Caroline was worse and Jankovic was better when they met last year and Caroline still took sets from Jankovic. If the Caroline of today met the current slumping Jankovic, I could easily see Caroline winning.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:51 PM
They are still more talented than Wozniacki and in Safina's case that is a MILESTONE.

:spit:

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:52 PM
Jankovic was not at her best during US. She almost lost to Arvidsson, as you said went three with Wozniacki, was down a break in both sets against Dementieva. She could have lost so many times. Her getting to the final was mostly on confidence and no one being able to put her away.

Jankovic would have won that match especially since Wozniacki was SOOOOOOOOO injured like you say.



Erm okay I'm not sure you even understand what's being stated. I dunno why you've brought in Caro's injury as her facing Jankovic was hypothetical and also encompassed her not being injured so that she reached the 4R in the first place.

Whether you argue that Jankovic was at her best or not doesn't really matter, she was playing better than she has been recently that's for sure.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:53 PM
They are still more talented than Wozniacki and in Safina's case that is a MILESTONE.

:spit:



That's just your opinion then , I disagree :shrug:

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:54 PM
I repeat, its been A MONTH. And I repeat, she played a great match vs Azarenka for most of it. She got to the same stage as Caroline but there was like a 40 place difference in the players they lost to. :shrug::lol:

Oh so she would've added 10 mph to her max first and second serves, hardly result-changing. Sorana won because she was and is the better player when playing well. Deal with it.




No-one suggesting that Wozniacki beating Cirstea was a done deal if she was 100% fit , but it's common sense to realise that an injured player is not going to be playing their best and so that certainly aided Cirstea during the match.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:55 PM
Jankovic was better back then than she was when she lost to Cirstea. And additionally, Caroline was more green last year. So Caroline was worse and Jankovic was better when they met last year and Caroline still took sets from Jankovic. If the Caroline of today met the current slumping Jankovic, I could easily see Caroline winning.
She got battered by Tanasugarn in the next round. :help:

And then in the US Open even Arvidsson gave her a better match.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:57 PM
New Haven was probably her best tournament. :shrug: The point is, she's top 10 now and yet she's still getting bossed around by any good player playing well. :shrug: She's being very consistent, yes, but if she can't beat people above her bar Slumpmentieva then how is she ever gonna rise higher?

Didn't Azarenka lose to Dulko in Rome (Caroline beat Dulko this year)? Shit happens. Venus lost to Lisicki at Charleston, as did Caroline. Shit happens. Serena had some terrible loses in a row this year during the clay season. Ivanovic won a slam last year. Now she's not even in the top 10. Shit happens.

Everyone is going to lose to players they were supposed to beat every once in a while. Caroline has still been one of the most consistant players this year and that's why she's no. 7 on the race list, only 100 points behind Venus Williams.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:58 PM
Damn it, Caro fans should give Serena a lesson or two in making up excuses :worship:

1)Its her worst surface.

2)Worst Surface....... so she is definitely better than Venus and Serena, as they suck on their worst surface.

3)Worst Surface, (really how many worst surfaces does she have :tape: )

4)Clay is her Worst surface.

5)Worst Surface, no?

6)One year younger than Vika.

7)One year younger than Vika,

8)One year younger than Vika !

9)One year younger than Vika :rolleyes:

10)One year younger than Vika, no?

11)Injured against Cirstea !11!!!!

12)Caro is better because other players had fluke runs at the better events :shrug:

13)Her game hasnt matured yet.....

14)She only lost because she cannot deal with dropshots :haha:

15)MJMS moonballed and thats why she won, LMAO.

16)Its just a fluke that Caro hasnt reached the QFs of a slam,

17) Worst surface?

18) Its her worst Worst surface....

19) For the last fucking time, its her worst surface :tape:

20) Did they mention that she is one year younger than Azarenka?

21)Only reason Caroline hasnt made it to the slam QF is because she was injured,

22)Grass is not Caroline's best surface

23)Cirstea was just lucky she hit an injured Wozniacki and a slumping Jankovic

24) Even though other players went far in the Grandslams, they arent the better players than Caroline

25) (When asked about her top 10 wins) Oh yeah, she crushed Dementieva (64 57 75)

26)Grass is not Caroline's best surface and Wozniacki was very young and green back then. (Please for the love of god, how many Bad surfaces does this girl have?)

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:59 PM
No-one suggesting that Wozniacki beating Cirstea was a done deal if she was 100% fit , but it's common sense to realise that an injured player is not going to be playing their best and so that certainly aided Cirstea during the match.
:shrug: your friend kman sure is, :shrug: "A healthy Wozniacki would've beaten both Cirstea (she almost did injured lol) AND a slumping Jankovic, as far as I'm concerned"

I get that she was injured just as Sorana was sick this week, but she wasn't even doing a lot wrong in the match, she was moving fine and hitting the ball fine and the "spinal problem" only came into play in the closing, closing stages and even then she was still moving well, she was just in pain when she did so, and apparently it wasn't a very big problem considering how quickly she recovered.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:01 PM
Wozniacki is a hardcourt only player. ON grass surely she is inept and on clay her game loses effectiveness because the speed of the surface + her pace of shot makes her practically non existent.

And Jankovic could've lost to Zheng, Arvidsson, Dementieva, and Wozniacki. Her getting to the F was a miracle.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Didn't Azarenka lose to Dulko in Rome (Caroline beat Dulko this year)? Shit happens. Venus lost to Lisicki at Charleston, as did Caroline. Shit happens. Serena had some terrible loses in a row this year during the clay season. Ivanovic won a slam last year. Now she's not even in the top 10. Shit happens.

Everyone is going to lose to players they were supposed to beat every once in a while. Caroline has still been one of the most consistant players this year and that's why she's no. 7 on the race list, only 100 points behind Venus Williams.
She's only beaten one person higher than her this year. That's more than just a one off.

And she's played lke 6 more tournaments than Venus this year, go figure.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:02 PM
She got battered by Tanasugarn in the next round. :help:


Tanasugarn just beat world no. 1 Safina in straight sets too.


(thanks for another example of 'top players losing to players they were supposed to beat')

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:03 PM
Damn it, Caro fans should give Serena a lesson or two in making up excuses :worship:

1)Its her worst surface.

2)Worst Surface....... so she is definitely better than Venus and Serena, as they suck on their worst surface.

3)Worst Surface, (really how many worst surfaces does she have :tape: )

4)Clay is her Worst surface.

5)Worst Surface, no?

6)One year younger than Vika.

7)One year younger than Vika,

8)One year younger than Vika !

9)One year younger than Vika :rolleyes:

10)One year younger than Vika, no?

11)Injured against Cirstea !11!!!!

12)Caro is better because other players had fluke runs at the better events :shrug:

13)Her game hasnt matured yet.....

14)She only lost because she cannot deal with dropshots :haha:

15)MJMS moonballed and thats why she won, LMAO.

16)Its just a fluke that Caro hasnt reached the QFs of a slam,

17) Worst surface?

18) Its her worst Worst surface....

19) For the last fucking time, its her worst surface :tape:

20) Did they mention that she is one year younger than Azarenka?

21)Only reason Caroline hasnt made it to the slam QF is because she was injured,

22)Grass is not Caroline's best surface

23)Cirstea was just lucky she hit an injured Wozniacki and a slumping Jankovic

24) Even though other players went far in the Grandslams, they arent the better players than Caroline

25) (When asked about her top 10 wins) Oh yeah, she crushed Dementieva (64 57 75)

26)Grass is not Caroline's best surface and Wozniacki was very young and green back then. (Please for the love of god, how many Bad surfaces does this girl have?)
Nice summary, I don't need to say anything else after this. :bowdown: Step to this.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:03 PM
She's only beaten one person higher than her this year. That's more than just a one off.

And she's played lke 6 more tournaments than Venus this year, go figure.

I'm not saying Caroline is better than Venus either.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:04 PM
:rolls: Wozniacki gets bounced by anyone.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:04 PM
[QUOTE=reetard;16053440]Damn it, Caro fans should give Serena a lesson or two in making up excuses :worship: /QUOTE]

Well to be honest no-one saying her losing on her worst surface is an excuse , just that it's not a terrible loss to lose a to a fairly competent player on a surface with which you aren't comfortable. After all didn't Serena lose at the FO to someone who got bagelled the following week on their least favourite surface by another player who's also hopeless on it? It happens sometimes , it's not excuses, certain players just don't play as well on certain surfaces.

And she was injured ;)

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:05 PM
Tanasugarn just beat world no. 1 Safina in straight sets too.


(thanks for another example of 'top players losing to players they were supposed to beat')
Still no excuse for getting her ass handed to her when she was meant to be playing well then. Safina is crappy on grass, we all know that.

oleada
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Cirstea was just lucky she hit an injured Wozniacki and a slumping Jankovic. A healthy Wozniacki would've beaten both Cirstea (she almost did injured lol) AND a slumping Jankovic, as far as I'm concerned.


Actually, Cirstea beat Jankovic last year at Fed Cup. So, it's not like it was a fluke.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see here , she's not played many top tenners this year so she lacks the experience and also , much as I hate to repeat it , she's still young so has the time to develop as a player. At their level when they were 18/19 would anyone have seriously suggested Safina and Jankovic would be future #1's?

Caroline could have met top 10rs if she'd made it farther in the slams, but she didnt. :shrug: She's played 7 matches vs top 10 players and only won twice against Dementieva. Most if not all of the players around her age have a better win/loss ratio against top 10 players this year, regardless of how many matches they've played.

Wozniacki 2-5
Azarenka 5-5
Cirstea 2-2
Szavay 3-4
Lisicki 3-2
A. Radwanska 1-5

The only one that's done worse is Radwanska, and all the other players have beaten more than just one player.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Pointless post by reetard.

Caroline's best surface is hard so no, grass is not her best surface. And her worst surface is clay, particularly red clay.

I never said "She only lost because she cannot deal with dropshots", I said she needs to improve her abillity to counter dropshots. Big difference.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Nice summary, I don't need to say anything else after this. :bowdown: Step to this.



Summary? It was just just two points spread out over like 25 lines, much of which was incorrect as no-one claimed that anything other than clay was "her worst surface".

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Still no excuse for getting her ass handed to her when she was meant to be playing well then. Safina is crappy on grass, we all know that.

See, here comes the surface excuse again for yet another top 10 player.


But when Caroline makes it to the final on her worst surface for the second time this year and loses, it's considered inexcusable. Why not respect the fact that can do well on even her worst surface when players like Safina, Venus and Kuznetsova who are ranked higher and have been in the game much longer can't seem to do the same?


Stupid bias.

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Wozniacki is a one surface only player as I explained in my previous posts. Her game is ineffective on clay and grass.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:12 PM
Summary? It was just just two points spread out over like 25 lines, much of which was incorrect as no-one claimed that anything other than clay was "her worst surface".
It was accurate reflection of yours and particularly kman's posts over the last few pages. :shrug:

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:13 PM
See, here comes the surface excuse again for yet another top 10 player.


But when Caroline makes it to the final on her worst surface for the second time this year and loses, it's considered inexcusable. Why not respect the fact that can do well on even her worst surface when players like Safina, Venus and Kuznetsova who are ranked higher and have been in the game much longer can't seem to do the same?


Stupid bias.


Did anyone suggest that Wozniacki's loss to Safina was inexcusable? If so then that's ridiculous to be honest , she was playing the World #1 who had just won a Premier 5 tournament the week before and who is best on clay.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:16 PM
It was accurate reflection of yours and particularly kman's posts over the last few pages. :shrug:



Well I never saw anyone suggest that Wozniacki had her worst surface on every surface so I guess I must've missed the humour. And to be honest only 2 "excuses" were made and if they were repetitive it was only because they were in response to equally repetitive posts.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:17 PM
See, here comes the surface excuse again for yet another top 10 player.


But when Caroline makes it to the final on her worst surface for the second time this year and loses, it's considered inexcusable. Why not respect the fact that can do well on even her worst surface when players like Safina, Venus and Kuznetsova who are ranked higher and have been in the game much longer can't seem to do the same?


Stupid bias.
No, I never said that it was "inexcusable" I just think it was always gonna happen.. If she plays a good player playing well across any surface, she's gonna lose. And you used it for grass too. :tears: Her game is pretty similar and consistent across all the surfaces, if anything, as much as she may deny it, her game suits the slower clay courts where she isn't as prone to be hit off the court.. :shrug:

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Wozniacki is a one surface only player as I explained in my previous posts. Her game is ineffective on clay and grass.

That's why she has titles on all surfaces right? She just won Eastbourne (grass) in a tournament that had attendance of Ivanovic, Dementieva, Zvonoreva, Jankovic, Azarenka and Kuznetsova.

delicatecutter
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:19 PM
That's why she has titles on all surfaces right? She just won Eastbourne (grass) in a tournament that had attendance of Ivanovic, Dementieva, Zvonoreva, Jankovic, Azarenka and Kuznetsova.

Yes and she beat none of them on her way to the title. :weirdo:

revolvtion
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Venus has clay titles.
Sharapova has a clay title.
Kuznetsova has an indoor title.
Jankovic has a grass title.

That means nothing. All in all Wozniacki's game is only effective on hardcourt.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:19 PM
If she plays a good player playing well across any surface, she's gonna lose.

yea, because then every time Caroline beats a top 10 player, you're just going to say that the top 10 player didn't play well. Just like you did when Caroline beat Dementieva back-to-back this year...

It's like me saying

"If Caroline plays a good player and she plays her best, she's going to win"

And then if Caroline loses, I'll just say "yea, but Caroline only lost because she didn't play her best."


Pretty fucking stupid.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:23 PM
yea, because then every time Caroline beats a top 10 player, you're just going to say that the top 10 player didn't play well. Just like you did when Caroline beat Dementieva back-to-back this year...

It's like me saying

"If Caroline plays a good player and she plays her best, she's going to win"

And then if Caroline loses, I'll just say "yea, but Caroline only lost because she didn't play her best."


Pretty fucking stupid.
Nty. I didn't say their best. :shrug: Just remotely well. :wavey:

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:23 PM
Yes and she beat none of them on her way to the title. :weirdo:

She beat players who beat them. That's enough.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Venus has clay titles.
Sharapova has a clay title.
Kuznetsova has an indoor title.
Jankovic has a grass title.

That means nothing. All in all Wozniacki's game is only effective on hardcourt.

Most effective on hard, I agree, but she's certainly proven she can be effective on the other surfaces as well, just like Sharapova proved she can be effective on clay by winning some good matches at the French Open.


I'm just wondering why Safina losing to Tamasugarn is considered excusable because it's her worst surface but Caroline making two finals on her worst surface is worthy of ridicule just because she happened to lose those finals.


Bunch of biased haters. Slutiana is the worst obviously. I don't come to the result threads of her favorites to hate on them when they lose, but when Caroline loses, she's ALWAYS here to tell us how useless Caroline is. Sad, sad individual.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:26 PM
She beat players who beat them. That's enough.



Agree , it's like saying Federer didn't really win the French Open because he didn't beat the one player who could've beaten him on it. No , he won in fact so therefore he won , doesn't really matter who he played and beat during the tournament. People can moan all they like but it won't change the result , will it?

delicatecutter
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:27 PM
Most effective on hard, I agree, but she's certainly proven she can be effective on the other surfaces as well, just like Sharapova proved she can be effective on clay by winning French Open.


Sharapova won the French Open? :confused: I forgot you live in a world where Cirstea made the RG SF and Wozniacki is a good player. My bad.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Sharapova won the French Open? :confused: I forgot you live in a world where Cirstea made the RG SF and Wozniacki is a good player. My bad.

I meant to write "by winning some good matches at the French Open". Was a bit quick there. It's been corrected.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:36 PM
Most effective on hard, I agree, but she's certainly proven she can be effective on the other surfaces as well, just like Sharapova proved she can be effective on clay by winning some good matches at French Open.


I'm just wondering why Safina losing to Tamasugarn is considered excusable because it's her worst surface but Caroline making two finals on her worst surface is worthy of ridicule just because she happened to lose those finals.


Bunch of biased haters. Slutiana is the worst obviously. I don't come to the result threads of her favorites to hate on them when they lose, but when Caroline loses, she's ALWAYS here to tell us how useless Caroline is. Sad, sad individual.
He. I didn't even come here to say anything about caroline, I told you to stop comparing her with Victoria for no reason and then your response was just full of bitchassness. :tape: And I planned to leave after a few posts, you didn't see me call her a pusher or crap or useless so no, then you started dissing Sorana for no reason. :help: You started this so get over yourself.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:36 PM
No , he won in fact so therefore he won , and beat doesn't really matter who he played during the tournament.

Yes , it does matter . Federer defeated clay court clowns only

An astherisc next to his RG title

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Agree , it's like saying Federer didn't really win the French Open because he didn't beat the one player who could've beaten him on it. No , he won in fact so therefore he won , doesn't really matter who he played and beat during the tournament. People can moan all they like but it won't change the result , will it?
No one is saying that she didn't really achieve those things, but do you seriously expect us to be as impressed with her if, say, she beat every seed she was drawn to play? I haven't said anything hateful, i've just been trying to get this into you, especially as your friend over there is convinced that she is gonna be some multi slam winning GOAT>

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Yes , it does matter . Federer defeated clay court clowns only



Yes I'm sure in 30 years time they'll still be arguing about whether Federer really won the FO or not. No-one's even talking about it now and it's only been a month.

As far as fact goes , he won the FO , no-one cares who he beat , other than those with an irrational dislike of him and those who comment on every match thread of his even though they don't like him :shrug:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:43 PM
As far as fact goes , he won the FO , no-one cares who he beat

Me , as there are only two good players on clay and Frauderer did not beat any of them

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:43 PM
He. I didn't even come here to say anything about caroline, I told you to stop comparing her with Victoria for no reason and then your response was just full of bitchassness. :tape: And I planned to leave after a few posts, you didn't see me call her a pusher or crap or useless so no, then you started dissing Sorana for no reason. :help: You started this so get over yourself.

No your first in this thread was post #73 where you called Caroline a moonballer and made fun of the fact that Carloine and MJMS have beaten the same number of top 10 players.

I hadn't dissed Azarenka or even brought up Sorana at that point in this thread.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:46 PM
No one is saying that she didn't really achieve those things, but do you seriously expect us to be as impressed with her if, say, she beat every seed she was drawn to play? I haven't said anything hateful, i've just been trying to get this into you, especially as your friend over there is convinced that she is gonna be some multi slam winning GOAT>



Maybe the victory wasn't as impressive as it would have been had she defeated several top 10 players on route to the title , but in a time where the top 10 are the most inconsistent in possibly all time WTA history I think the fact that she can beat most players she's expected to consistently is a good sign , plus I think Razzano is a pretty good player now, she's had quite a few top 10 wins this year, made it into the final of a Premier 5 event beating a couple of them on the way and will be top 15 soon.

CloudAtlas
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:48 PM
Me , as there are only two good players on clay and Frauderer did not beat any of them



Okay , whilst I may agree with that opinion I don't think it's realistic to expect anyone to begrudge him that win in any point in the future. As far as the game of tennis goes , he's won the French Open.

kman
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:54 PM
Okay , whilst I may agree with that opinion I don't think it's realistic to expect anyone to begrudge him that win in any point in the future. As far as the game of tennis goes , he's won the French Open.

15 grand slams but Frauderer is a fraud! For some reason that makes me somewhat appreciate his negative opinion of Wozniacki :p


anyway, I'm done with this thread.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:56 PM
No your first in this thread was post #73 where you called Caroline a moonballer and made fun of the fact that Carloine and MJMS have beaten the same number of top 10 players.

I hadn't dissed Azarenka or even brought up Sorana at that point in this thread.
It was an inside joke between one of my friends on this board, and are you denying that she was a moonballer today? :shrug:

And I laughed at a few things people said, none of it had anything to do with you, what started this argument was you being all bitchy and ****y about me asking you why you had to compare them when no one had brought them up... ;)

M-K
Jul 11th, 2009, 09:15 PM
Damn it, Caro fans should give Serena a lesson or two in making up excuses :worship:

1)Its her worst surface.

2)Worst Surface....... so she is definitely better than Venus and Serena, as they suck on their worst surface.

3)Worst Surface, (really how many worst surfaces does she have :tape: )

4)Clay is her Worst surface.

5)Worst Surface, no?

6)One year younger than Vika.

7)One year younger than Vika,

8)One year younger than Vika !

9)One year younger than Vika :rolleyes:

10)One year younger than Vika, no?

11)Injured against Cirstea !11!!!!

12)Caro is better because other players had fluke runs at the better events :shrug:

13)Her game hasnt matured yet.....

14)She only lost because she cannot deal with dropshots :haha:

15)MJMS moonballed and thats why she won, LMAO.

16)Its just a fluke that Caro hasnt reached the QFs of a slam,

17) Worst surface?

18) Its her worst Worst surface....

19) For the last fucking time, its her worst surface :tape:

20) Did they mention that she is one year younger than Azarenka?

21)Only reason Caroline hasnt made it to the slam QF is because she was injured,

22)Grass is not Caroline's best surface

23)Cirstea was just lucky she hit an injured Wozniacki and a slumping Jankovic

24) Even though other players went far in the Grandslams, they arent the better players than Caroline

25) (When asked about her top 10 wins) Oh yeah, she crushed Dementieva (64 57 75)

26)Grass is not Caroline's best surface and Wozniacki was very young and green back then. (Please for the love of god, how many Bad surfaces does this girl have?)
:worship::lol::lol::lol::worship:

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 09:27 PM
Damn it, Caro fans should give Serena a lesson or two in making up excuses :worship:

1)Its her worst surface.

2)Worst Surface....... so she is definitely better than Venus and Serena, as they suck on their worst surface.

3)Worst Surface, (really how many worst surfaces does she have :tape: )

4)Clay is her Worst surface.

5)Worst Surface, no?

6)One year younger than Vika.

7)One year younger than Vika,

8)One year younger than Vika !

9)One year younger than Vika :rolleyes:

10)One year younger than Vika, no?

11)Injured against Cirstea !11!!!!

12)Caro is better because other players had fluke runs at the better events :shrug:

13)Her game hasnt matured yet.....

14)She only lost because she cannot deal with dropshots :haha:

15)MJMS moonballed and thats why she won, LMAO.

16)Its just a fluke that Caro hasnt reached the QFs of a slam,

17) Worst surface?

18) Its her worst Worst surface....

19) For the last fucking time, its her worst surface :tape:

20) Did they mention that she is one year younger than Azarenka?

21)Only reason Caroline hasnt made it to the slam QF is because she was injured,

22)Grass is not Caroline's best surface

23)Cirstea was just lucky she hit an injured Wozniacki and a slumping Jankovic

24) Even though other players went far in the Grandslams, they arent the better players than Caroline

25) (When asked about her top 10 wins) Oh yeah, she crushed Dementieva (64 57 75)

26)Grass is not Caroline's best surface and Wozniacki was very young and green back then. (Please for the love of god, how many Bad surfaces does this girl have?)

I Cant wait for the hardcourt season :haha:

Dodoboy.
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:21 PM
Oh dear. Slutiana, you're a mess!

kman 35
Slutiana 30
revolvtion 24
Nidal1402 21
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delicatecutter 4
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YouScreamMeCream 2
Corswandt 2

bandabou
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:48 PM
Hmmm...Caroline seems to have trouble winning the last match of tournaments. Needs to work on that.

Dave.
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:49 PM
Hmmm...Caroline seems to have trouble winning the last match of tournaments. Needs to work on that.

Doesn't want to end up like dear old Lindsay...

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:54 PM
Oh dear. Slutiana, you're a mess!

kman 35
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revolvtion 24
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Andreas 3
ОДРИ 2
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I was only replying to the guy above me who made this about my favourite player, not caroline. ;)

Donny
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:57 PM
All the Wozniacki hate is so tiresome. She is a solid very hard working player who deserves all the success she has had.

That said I'm so pleased to see Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez win this. What an thrilling fun and sometimes downright cheeky game she game. All those dropshot returns were just insane. MJMS is a total pleasure to watch. Love her. :bowdown:

This can be said of every single player. Yet they all have people who dislike them.

TheAllan
Jul 11th, 2009, 11:34 PM
Maria-Jose's development over the last year has been amazing. Just goes to show that you can still make substantial improvements later in your career. All credit to her.

ArturoAce.
Jul 11th, 2009, 11:48 PM
Congrats MariaJO!! :woohoo:

FormerlyKnownAs
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:04 AM
Oh dear. Slutiana, you're a mess!
kman 35
Slutiana 30
revolvtion 24
Nidal1402 21
oleada 4
delicatecutter 4
Andreas 3
ОДРИ 2
Libertango 2
YouScreamMeCream 2
Corswandt 2

What will these people do with their time, Caroline Wozniacki will first play again August 3rd August in Los Angeles.
:devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:

spiritedenergy
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:06 AM
:eek:

which surface is this tournament? Maria probably was "gotten" by Serena in the locker room:p

And why is Wozniacki playing everything in site? It's getting really pathetic, a month ago she was supposed to have a life threatening injury:o

iPatty
Jul 12th, 2009, 02:25 AM
:yawn:

Even I'm getting tired of this constant bickering. 14 pages? Sheesh.

Pops Maellard
Jul 12th, 2009, 02:54 AM
:eek:

which surface is this tournament? Maria probably was "gotten" by Serena in the locker room:p

And why is Wozniacki playing everything in site? It's getting really pathetic, a month ago she was supposed to have a life threatening injury:o
It is really. I may be one of her "detractors" but I genuinely wonder how Caro's supporters condone her schedule. She won't be 'young' (I say that relatively-speaking) forever. Her supporters constantly argue that she is young, but look at Kim Clijsters. She was a tournament-whore in the vein of Wozniacki (although she won better tournaments and was a better player) and she retired in a large part due to injury and burnout at 23. :weirdo: Tournament-whoring may inflate your ranking for a while but eventually it catches up with you, as it will with Wozniacki (I'd be willing to guess that many more injuries like the one at French Open this year are waiting for Caro with her schedule).

Team Wozniacki probably feel she needs to play as many small tournaments as she can to keep her ranking high since she's not really a threat at the bigger tournaments if the real top players are living up to their seedings. If she played a regular schedule she would definitely NOT be a Top 10 player. I'd guess she'd be somewhere in the lower snatches of the Top 20.

AnomyBC
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:05 AM
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Noooooooooooooooooo! Cursessssssssss! Why, Caro, why!?!?! :sad:

young_gunner913
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:16 AM
wow :speakles:

Cakeisgood
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:17 AM
Wozzy :(

Shvedbarilescu
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:29 AM
209 posts. I wonder when the was the last post in this thread that congratulated Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez for winner this event. :shrug:

ArturoAce.
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:32 AM
8 posts ago :p :shrug:

AnomyBC
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:37 AM
209 posts. I wonder when the was the last post in this thread that congratulated Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez for winner this event. :shrug:

Um, just 8 posts before yours actually :) But prolly most of the people who posted congrats for MJMS are just Caro haters anyway :lol:

ArturoAce.
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:41 AM
Um, just 8 posts before yours actually :) But prolly most of the people who posted congrats for MJMS are just Caro haters anyway :lol:

Guilty. :devil:

Tennis Ball
Jul 12th, 2009, 09:07 AM
:worship: Congrats, Maria! How many titles does she have?

Nederlander RUS
Jul 12th, 2009, 10:06 AM
Tennis Ball,
2:

Bogota 2009
Bastad 2009

Хлоэ
Jul 12th, 2009, 10:13 AM
Top 3 losers posters:
kman 35
Slutiana 31
revolvtion 24

Nederlander RUS
Jul 12th, 2009, 10:14 AM
209 posts. I wonder when the was the last post in this thread that congratulated Maria-Jose Martinez Sanchez for winner this event. :shrug:

:lol:

shrOOf
Jul 12th, 2009, 10:22 AM
Vamos Maria :worship: Congrats!! :bounce:

Nederlander RUS
Jul 12th, 2009, 10:32 AM
now take the title in Palermo, MariaJo!!! :banana:

Daniel
Jul 12th, 2009, 11:15 AM
Caro :smash: :o

cn ireland
Jul 12th, 2009, 11:25 AM
Hard luck Caro:(!

Huntress55
Jul 12th, 2009, 11:57 AM
Caro:sad:

Nikkiri
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:07 PM
:spit: 220 posts. For someone so boring Caro sure gets a lot of hate.

Well done Maria :yeah:

Slutiana
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:30 PM
What will these people do with their time, Caroline Wozniacki will first play again August 3rd August in Los Angeles.
:devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:
Well most of this discussion was about Sorana, not caroline. :shrug:

Nikkiri
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:32 PM
Well most of this discussion was about Sorana, not caroline. :shrug:

I can't be bothered to read through this thread.. what exactly does it have to do with Sorana? :confused:

C.MARTINEZ
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:35 PM
Pepa poderosaaa :worship::worship:

Slutiana
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:37 PM
I can't be bothered to read through this thread.. what exactly does it have to do with Sorana? :confused:
They were saying that Atleast Caroline hasn't had a fluke like Sorana at the French Open cuz she lost in RD 2 of a MM event, and she's rubbish, and she only beat Caroline because Caroline was injured, and she's a fluke, and she lost RD 2 of a MM event, and she's rubbish, and she only beat JJ because she's been slumping, and she only beat Caroline because she was injured, and she's a fluke. :yawn:

Nikkiri
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:43 PM
They were saying that Atleast Caroline hasn't had a fluke like Sorana at the French Open cuz she lost in RD 2 of a MM event, and she's rubbish, and she only beat Caroline because Caroline was injured, and she's a fluke, and she lost RD 2 of a MM event, and she's rubbish, and she only beat JJ because she's been slumping, and she only beat Caroline because she was injured, and she's a fluke. :yawn:

Oh how mature. :hearts: Sorana is just inconsistent clearly. And yeah about that injury.. wasn't it like serious? what happened.. a miracle?

CloudAtlas
Jul 12th, 2009, 01:02 PM
"They"? It was one person claiming that she "only" beat Wozniacki because she was injured ;)

Anyway , is there any other player , besides Serena who's match threads contain so much content irrelevant to the match? :p

Slutiana
Jul 12th, 2009, 01:07 PM
"They"? It was one person claiming that she "only" beat Wozniacki because she was injured ;)

Anyway , is there any other player , besides Serena who's match threads contain so much content irrelevant to the match? :p
Well the kman kid then. :(

You're alright really. :p

CloudAtlas
Jul 12th, 2009, 01:14 PM
Well the kman kid then. :(

You're alright really. :p



Well coming from you that's a big compliment I suppose :eek: ;)

Slutiana
Jul 12th, 2009, 01:21 PM
Well coming from you that's a big compliment I suppose :eek: ;)
:hug:

Pops Maellard
Jul 12th, 2009, 01:45 PM
Well coming from you that's a big compliment I suppose :eek: ;)
I also think so. I'm sure we're all alright people if we knew each other in person lol. :D

Not sharing taste in favourite tennis players all the time isn't an indicator of too much. ;)

Slutiana
Jul 12th, 2009, 02:11 PM
I also think so. I'm sure we're all alright people if we knew each other in person lol. :D

Not sharing taste in favourite tennis players all the time isn't an indicator of too much. ;)
Apart from the evil kman. :tears:

TheAllan
Jul 12th, 2009, 02:46 PM
Team Wozniacki probably feel she needs to play as many small tournaments as she can to keep her ranking high since she's not really a threat at the bigger tournaments if the real top players are living up to their seedings.
Even if you took away all her points from the International tournaments, she would still be on course for a top 10 ranking this season.

Aaric
Jul 12th, 2009, 03:29 PM
Mariajo !!! :D

propi
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:16 PM
Pepa :bounce::bounce::bounce:
:D

Alvarillo
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:35 PM
:eek:

MJ :hearts:

Europe rocks
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:55 PM
Congrats MJMS! However, it wasn't nice to upset Caro on our birthdays :sad:

Blu€
Jul 12th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Congrats MJMS! However, it wasn't nice to upset Caro on our birthdays :sad:

Well she did apologize for that and said she would buy Caro dinner :D:worship: