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dylan24
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:30 PM
• French tennis pro Tatiana Golovin sold her condo at Tequesta III on Miami's Brickell Key for $1.075 million. Golovin, 21, bought the three-bedroom unit on the 39th floor in '05 for $1.275 million and listed it for $1.198 million. Buyer is Carlos Garcia of Ecuador.

not good news

volta
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:31 PM
hopefully not :sobbing:

Volcana
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:34 PM
One could question the defition of 'started'. But will she ever be a significant factor on the tour? No.

WAS she ever going to be a significant factor on the tour? No.

jefrilibra
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:35 PM
So she lost some money.:lol:

Dav.
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:37 PM
She is physically unable to play because of a permanent spinal disorder. It is being treated but until improvements are shown, she cannot play.

I really can't se eher playing much more than a short-lived comeback or two. Even when playing full-time on tour, she literally couldn't stay healthy for more than a handful of events.

Dav.
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:40 PM
If not for the countless freak injuries, she would have been a factor, Volcana. She was for a while, just look at what she accomplished with less than half of a season each year. And that was with Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Pierce, Sharapova, Ivanovic and Jankovic playing well, Venus, Serena, etc.

Her breakthrough and results before her virtual retirement at 19 cannot be ignored.

Ciarán
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:42 PM
Poor Tatiana :awww:

Temperenka
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:45 PM
I really feel for this girl. It's hard to believe that her career only lasted a few patchy years. I hope she is able to come back someday, she has too much talent to go to waste. :sad:

ZODIAC
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:53 PM
signs of money running out

KournikovaFan91
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Does this mean she is living in London full time now.

Dav.
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:59 PM
I doubt money is running out. Her family is pretty wealthy and she's always getting money from endorsements, photoshoots, appearances, etc. Not to mention Samir is probably paying for everything. :lol:

I think she just saw no point in keeping a third home in the US when she will no longer be going there to train.

Serenita
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:00 PM
thats sad

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:01 PM
her boyfriend seems to think she's coming back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iPJO-2tjk

Dav.
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:02 PM
Thanks for the clip, but what does he say? It's not available on mobile. :sad:

Sexysova
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:06 PM
I miss her so much :bigcry:

FrenchY52
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:06 PM
I hate these threads :tears:
Playing a match would already be awesome

Dav.
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:08 PM
A good friend of someone who posts here visited Tati and Samir at their home and apparently they told him she is keeping quiet about her retirement to continue recieving money from sponsors. :sobbing:

He is probably just pulling a Kournikova in the interview.

Kart
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:11 PM
She is not coming back.

Though I said that about Hingis in 2005 so don't listen to me.

Pebbles
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:11 PM
Thanks for the clip, but what does he say? It's not available on mobile. :sad:
He mentions her back injury and the reporter asks him will she play Wimbledon this year and he says no chance of her playing this year, but hopefully she'll be back and it would be nice for her to win there someday.

Craigy
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:11 PM
Thanks for the clip, but what does he say? It's not available on mobile. :sad:

Nothing really significant. The interviewer couldn't seem to get it into his head that Tati wasn't going to be playing Wimbledon, no matter how many times Samir said Tati was injured. :o

He was just being positive, like we've seen Tati remain positive through her time off.

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:13 PM
One could question the defition of 'started'. But will she ever be a significant factor on the tour? No.

WAS she ever going to be a significant factor on the tour? No.
If beating Venus twice, Peakmentieva, Kuzzy being her bitch, GS QF, 4rs at 15+16 and a couple of titles isn't 'starting' then I don't know what is. I really don't get why you have such a problem with thinking that she could have been/could stil be a top 10/5 player after the WS have retired, explain?
her boyfriend seems to think she's coming back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iPJO-2tjk
Oh, that is quite reassuring. :hysteric:

Kart
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:15 PM
One could question the definition of 'started'.

Not really where Golovin was concerned IMHO - she wasn't the second coming I agree but we've seen less achieved by many players than her.

Dawn Marie
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:09 PM
tati had game and would have been top 10-15 at one point imho.

Volcana
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:14 PM
If beating Venus twice, Peakmentieva, Kuzzy being her bitch, GS QF, 4rs at 15+16 and a couple of titles isn't 'starting' then I don't know what is.I'm willing to concede that you 'don't know what is'. :)

Seriously, tennis is a sport that's about winning tournaments, rather than matches. Especially beating individual players, when virtually all the significant player in the sport post-Graf have had significant down-time due to injury. When does a player 'start'being significant? Easier to say what is NOT sufficient. We've had multiple top ten players who never won a tournament. Kournikova is famous, but Petrova was another. The top ten preceded that first tournament win. Even winning a 'big' tournament, a la Azarenka, is no predictor. Look at Hantuchova. It tooks years before her 2nd tournament win, even after 2002 IW.

Golovin never made the top five (never made the top TEN) never won a big tournament, never made a slam final (or a semi). But, more to the point, for me, she never looked like a player who would one day be a threat to win slams. She always seemed like either a media-creation, or a fantasy of the youth-loving side of the fanbase.

améliemomo
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:16 PM
very tough to say, that's quite a "painful" subject to treat.

its not the type of physical problem that can be solve easily with surgery or what.I hope its not over for her cause I liked her game, her personality.
I hope she'll come back one day.

mr_burns
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:28 PM
I miss her and will miss her..good game, good girl...

vadin124
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:38 PM
we don't need any Marion-haters on the tour...

good riddens, Tatiana

prima donna
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:43 PM
Come back Tatiana!!!:sobbing::sobbing::sobbing:

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:50 PM
...she could have been/could stil be a top 10/5 player after the WS have retired...

Top-10? Probably.
Top-5? With her horrible movement and non-existent backhand? No way.

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 07:05 PM
I'm willing to concede that you 'don't know what is'. :)

Seriously, tennis is a sport that's about winning tournaments, rather than matches. Especially beating individual players, when virtually all the significant player in the sport post-Graf have had significant down-time due to injury. When does a player 'start'being significant? Easiet to say what isn't sufficient. We've had multiple top ten players who never won a tournament. Kournikova is famous, but Petrova was another. The top ten preceded that first tournament win. Even winning a 'big' tournament, a la Azarenka, is no predictor. Look at Hantuchova. It tooks years before her 2nd tournament win, even after 2002 IW.

Golovin never made the top five (never made the top TEN) never won a big tournament, never made a slam final (or a semi). But, more to the point, for me, she never looked like a player who would one day be a threat to win slams. She always seemed like either a media-creation, or a fantasy of the youth-loving side of the fanbase.

Yeah but did she even have a chance to gain these milestones? Every time she began to play well some sort of injury would set her back, the first part of career was a lot of hype but when she started to become serious in 06, when she started to deliver, we all know what happened in Miami vs Maria, then her ankle again after completely murdering vaidisova 6-2 6-0, and then in 2007 after winning her first tournament, and then at the end of 07 when she had that big indoor run, went into linz as favourite for the title and extremely close to a YEC place and had to retire there, and then again in 08 TWICE (the hip cyst and then the back).

How can you POSSIBLY judge someone's potential and what she could have/will achieve in her career on her results after having that many set backs? Those aren't comparable to any of the players who have had "significant downtime" because of injuries, adding them up, considering she's been injured basically since the Australian open bar a failed comeback in 08, injuries have taken up well over two full years of her career, of her life.

Fair enough you don't see her as a contender, that is subjective of course. But I think her game could have easily become better than the likes of Zvonereva, Demented etc. And if they were able to climb to 6/5/4/3 in the world then she sure as hell could've. Her talent may not have been as obvious, but she was still so talented, there's no denying that.

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Top-10? Probably.
Top-5? With her horrible movement and non-existent backhand? No way.
By the fall of 07, her movement was great. :shrug:

I agree about the backhand though :help:, but it was improving too.

Mynarco
Jul 10th, 2009, 07:18 PM
Tatiana :sad: 2-0 against venus :sad:

KournikovaFan91
Jul 10th, 2009, 07:33 PM
The Interviewer was a complete idiot :o

Wtrain
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:12 PM
we don't need any Marion-haters on the tour...

good riddens, Tatiana

Then 95% of the tour would be gone...

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:27 PM
Then 95% of the tour would be gone...

:spit: <------- me, literally.

Craig.
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:29 PM
Then 95% of the tour would be gone...

:haha: :bigcry:

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Then 95% of the tour would be gone...
:spit::hysteric:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Top-10? Probably.
Top-5? With her horrible movement and non-existent backhand? No way.

This

Bottom top 10 probably . I cant see Golovin collecting 4000 points (as the current number 9)

revolvtion
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:33 PM
I agree with others. Golovin never really had anything above average except her forehand. She fully maximized the potential of that by running around her BH and hitting as many as possible.

Still, I can name others with better FHs. Everything else in her game was marginally average or below average. However, given who has been in the Top 10 in recent years and her career high of #12... she probably would have seen herself in the Top 10 at one point.

She was never going to win a slam, dominate the tour, or anything important like some people want to believe.

volta
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:51 PM
Then 95% of the tour would be gone...

*collapses* :sad:

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:56 PM
I agree with others. Golovin never really had anything above average except her forehand. She fully maximized the potential of that by running around her BH and hitting as many as possible.

Still, I can name others with better FHs. Everything else in her game was marginally average or below average. However, given who has been in the Top 10 in recent years and her career high of #12... she probably would have seen herself in the Top 10 at one point.

She was never going to win a slam, dominate the tour, or anything important like some people want to believe.
No one ever said that, but she was better than just having a good forehand, her serve was a big weapon and got tonnes of free points, she placed it well and had a lot of power, she had improved her volleys and had a lot of variety with the volleys, slices, dropshots and of course she reads the game so well and has better court instincts than virtually anybody left on tour since the retirement of Henin and Amelie turning rubbish. And in fact, her good results came when she stopped running around the bhand as much and it began to improve and become solid. And her forehand was one of the best on tour, she could do anything with it. People say it she lacked the power but look at some of the forehands here, they are huge. :shrug:

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And she uses her backhand well here too. :shrug:
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:hysteric:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:57 PM
Fair enough you don't see her as a contender, that is subjective of course. But I think her game could have easily become better than the likes of Zvonereva, Demented

:lol: :lol:

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:59 PM
:lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

volta
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:59 PM
her inside out FH :inlove: my fav shot by Tati :hearts:

revolvtion
Jul 10th, 2009, 09:06 PM
No one ever said that, but she was better than just having a good forehand, her serve was a big weapon and got tonnes of free points, she placed it well and had a lot of power, she had improved her volleys and had a lot of variety with the volleys, slices, dropshots and of course she reads the game so well and has better court instincts than virtually anybody left on tour since the retirement of Henin and Amelie turning rubbish. And in fact, her good results came when she stopped running around the bhand as much and it began to improve and become solid. And her forehand was one of the best on tour, she could do anything with it. People say it she lacked the power but look at some of the forehands here, they are huge. :shrug:


Her serve, like everything else not her forehand, was average. I don't know where this court sense came from since not even the most devoted Golovin fans have ever said that, but it is false.

I can name several FHs better than Golovin's despite it being an above-average shot.

You supported evidence by posting Golovin playing in an MM tournament against an opponent who has done nothing outside of a random Eastbourne win.

The other video was a loss to Henin. Incidentally, Vaidisova would also put up an inspired, and IMO better, performance the next week in Zurich.

Golovin only had one "weapon." To succeed in the WTA you need at least two.

darrinbaker00
Jul 10th, 2009, 09:11 PM
How can Tatiana Golovin be finished as a tennis player when she never really got started? :shrug:

Golovinjured.
Jul 10th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Tati would have been a TOP 10 staple if it weren't for her injuries. I miss her. :sobbing:

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Her serve, like everything else not her forehand, was average. I don't know where this court sense came from since not even the most devoted Golovin fans have ever said that, but it is false.

I can name several FHs better than Golovin's despite it being an above-average shot.

You supported evidence by posting Golovin playing in an MM tournament against an opponent who has done nothing outside of a random Eastbourne win.

The other video was a loss to Henin. Incidentally, Vaidisova would also put up an inspired, and IMO better, performance the next week in Zurich.

Golovin only had one "weapon." To succeed in the WTA you need at least two.
My point wasn't to show her competing with the best. :shrug: It was to show her big forehand and it was the first video I found, fine i'll post a different one then, it doesn't change anything though. :shrug:

RfjtijDuWSU Slutiana def. Sexlana. :inlove:Oh and check the serve.
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Oh, and she's a fighta.

You gonna find something wrong with these ones? And watch how different she plays in the portoroz one (extremely aggresive), the stuttgart ones(controlled aggression, building up the points), and the Sharapova one (counter punching) I think that demonstrates her court sense without me saying anything else. :drool:

revolvtion
Jul 10th, 2009, 09:23 PM
Even Safina's serve can look like a GOAT when on. That's her at a level she clearly didn't sustain. On a day in day out basis, Golovin's serve for all purposes was average.

Golovin was scrambling all around the court because Sharapova's weight of shot was all over her. Obviously playing a MM opponent in an MM tournament she is going to get more opportunities to do what she wants to do.

She was the higher ranked and better player. For her sake, she should've been able to impose her game in that situation.

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 09:33 PM
Even Safina's serve can look like a GOAT when on. That's her at a level she clearly didn't sustain. On a day in day out basis, Golovin's serve for all purposes was average.

Golovin was scrambling all around the court because Sharapova's weight of shot was all over her. Obviously playing a MM opponent in an MM tournament she is going to get more opportunities to do what she wants to do.

She was the higher ranked and better player. For her sake, she should've been able to impose her game in that situation.
And Kuzzy? She was aggresive that match and sustained it against the world no.2 or something, she's served like that and even better loads of times before, thats just one example. And in that Sharapova match she actually began it by trying to go blow for blow with Sharapova, she found herself a set and 1-5 down and her timing completely off and so changed up her tactics and switched it all up completely. :shrug: And it worked.

Dav.
Jul 10th, 2009, 09:34 PM
:sad:Even Safina's serve can look like a GOAT when on. That's her at a level she clearly didn't sustain. On a day in day out basis, Golovin's serve for all purposes was average.

Golovin was scrambling all around the court because Sharapova's weight of shot was all over her. Obviously playing a MM opponent in an MM tournament she is going to get more opportunities to do what she wants to do.

She was the higher ranked and better player. For her sake, she should've been able to impose her game in that situation.

Of course it's easy to put her down now but if you look at her game and results the precious few times she was uninjured, her talent is undeniable. Her mentality and anticipation were weapons that contributed to a powerful yet varied game. I know being talented and attractive is taboo here but this nonsense is ridiculous. She was meant to be with the players she grew up with at the top of the game, and would have been if she could have ever caught a break. You just don't breakthrough like that at 15-16. Her game developed rapidly, which was demonstrated in varied techniques in 2007, before this spinal disease set in.

Again, she ended 2007 at age 19 (!!). There is no basis for saying she could not have achieved great things or developed even further as a player.

cn ireland
Jul 10th, 2009, 10:37 PM
I hope not:(!

I always liked Tati and really thought she had the potential to win a Slam and hopefully she will one day!

Dawson.
Jul 10th, 2009, 11:46 PM
Golovin never made the top five (never made the top TEN) never won a big tournament, never made a slam final (or a semi). But, more to the point, for me, she never looked like a player who would one day be a threat to win slams. She always seemed like either a media-creation, or a fantasy of the youth-loving side of the fanbase.

Is that really enough to predict the entire career of a player though?

As a teenager, Golovin was taken more seriously as a threat for the future than Safina (who had not achieved anything you mentioned at the same age), yet look where she is now. On the flip side, Vaidisova acheived 2 of the 3 things you mentioned and her hype was double the amount of Golovin and Safina put together, yet look where she is now.

You cannot use irrelevent statistics to predict a players career. Who knows what the future had in store for miss Golovin? Unfortunately we will never get to find out.

KournikovaFan91
Jul 10th, 2009, 11:51 PM
I felt she was a solid top ten player at best with the potential to make slam semi finals, but I never saw her as a GS winner like I have some others like Ivanovic way back in her career.

But you never know how a career will turn out. I never believed Safina would be World Number One :o :tape:

Josh.
Jul 10th, 2009, 11:55 PM
No one ever said that, but she was better than just having a good forehand, her serve was a big weapon and got tonnes of free points, she placed it well and had a lot of power, she had improved her volleys and had a lot of variety with the volleys, slices, dropshots and of course she reads the game so well and has better court instincts than virtually anybody left on tour since the retirement of Henin and Amelie turning rubbish. And in fact, her good results came when she stopped running around the bhand as much and it began to improve and become solid. And her forehand was one of the best on tour, she could do anything with it. People say it she lacked the power but look at some of the forehands here, they are huge. :shrug:

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And she uses her backhand well here too. :shrug:
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:hysteric:

Those video :sobbing: God I miss her.

Slutiana
Jul 10th, 2009, 11:56 PM
I felt she was a solid top ten player at best with the potential to make slam semi finals, but I never saw her as a GS winner like I have some others like Ivanovic way back in her career.

But you never know how a career will turn out. I never believed Safina would be World Number One :o :tape:
:help: :crying2:

WowWow
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:17 AM
I hope not. She's a great character and a good player.

Volcana
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:48 AM
How can you POSSIBLY judge someone's potential and what she could have/will achieve in her career on her results after having that many set backs?Precisely. You can't judge what someone could have/will achieve ...

You can ONLY judge by what they've done, and what happens to most players who achieve similiar things. And most players who accomplish the limited amount that Golovin did do NOT go on to accomplish more. They fade away. Or plateau. Golovin was FAR more likely to become a Kirilenko than a Clijsters.

It's easy to want a player you favor to be successful. When they aren't, it's easy to assume they would be, if only ...... but nine times out of ten, it just doesn't work that way.

Volcana
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:56 AM
Again, she ended 2007 at age 19 (!!). There is no basis for saying she could not have achieved great things or developed even further as a player.There's also no basis for saying she WOULD have. Martina Hingis won the last of her five slam singles titles at age 19. Martina Navratilova won the first of her 18 slam singles titles at age 23.

You're trying to make projection that the history of tennis doesn't support. SHe could have never won another tournament. She could have been the greatest of all time. The former is MUCH more likely. It's more likely that she'd necver win another tournament than it is that she'd win ONE slam singles title. Slams are hard to win.

I'm not knocking Golovin, specifically. I'm knocking a thought process. ONe that assumes an ac of greatness will rise ever upward. Pick a player.

If Venus Williams hadn't torn that ab muslce, and had her sister killed, she would have ....
If Serena Williams hadn't torn that knee injury, and had her sister killed, she would have ....
If Justine Henin hadn't retired ....
If Monica Seles hadn't been stabbed ....
If that truck hadn't spooked the horse Maureen Connolly was riding ....

But the fictional 'arc' just doesn't work out. Martina Navratilova win six starigh slams. Two years later, Steffi Graf win four in a row. Lindsay Davenport was year-end #1 THREE different years AFTER the year she won her last slam. Martina Hingis won her last slam before age twenty. Gabriella Sabatini. A gifted player. Won only one slam. With far more physical talent than some multi-slam winners. Same with Kim Clijsters.

Jennifer Capriati was a child prodigy. Won her first pro tournament at fourteen. Burned out. Disappeared. Did drugs. Got arrested. Came back to win three slams.

ArturoAce.
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:19 AM
I hope not, she had a great personality and tremendous talent. :sad:

nashi
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:23 AM
Maybe almost.............

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:12 PM
Precisely. You can't judge what someone could have/will achieve ...

You can ONLY judge by what they've done, and what happens to most players who achieve similiar things. And most players who accomplish the limited amount that Golovin did do NOT go on to accomplish more. They fade away. Or plateau. Golovin was FAR more likely to become a Kirilenko than a Clijsters.

It's easy to want a player you favor to be successful. When they aren't, it's easy to assume they would be, if only ...... but nine times out of ten, it just doesn't work that way.
Well then i'll rephrase it. How can you possibly judge what someone has achieved when there have been so many setbacks? :shrug: Its not like it happened once, or even twice but virtually every time she started playing good tennis, beating all the top players and playing like one, she would get injured. :shrug: Obviously nothing more could have happened outside of those good runs but for you to look at her record and say "no big tournaments, no this and no that so there's no way she could have done anything" is even worse when she was in positions to prove that she could before getting injured, e.g vs Maria in Miami. But we'll see, I still have hope. :inlove:
There's also no basis for saying she WOULD have. Martina Hingis won the last of her five slam singles titles at age 19. Martina Navratilova won the first of her 18 slam singles titles at age 23.

You're trying to make projection that the history of tennis doesn't support. SHe could have never won another tournament. She could have been the greatest of all time. The former is MUCH more likely. It's more likely that she'd necver win another tournament than it is that she'd win ONE slam singles title. Slams are hard to win.

I'm not knocking Golovin, specifically. I'm knocking a thought process. ONe that assumes an ac of greatness will rise ever upward. Pick a player.

If Venus Williams hadn't torn that ab muslce, and had her sister killed, she would have ....
If Serena Williams hadn't torn that knee injury, and had her sister killed, she would have ....
If Justine Henin hadn't retired ....
If Monica Seles hadn't been stabbed ....
If that truck hadn't spooked the horse Maureen Connolly was riding ....

But the fictional 'arc' just doesn't work out. Martina Navratilova win six starigh slams. Two years later, Steffi Graf win four in a row. Lindsay Davenport was year-end #1 THREE different years AFTER the year she won her last slam. Martina Hingis won her last slam before age twenty. Gabriella Sabatini. A gifted player. Won only one slam. With far more physical talent than some multi-slam winners. Same with Kim Clijsters.

Jennifer Capriati was a child prodigy. Won her first pro tournament at fourteen. Burned out. Disappeared. Did drugs. Got arrested. Came back to win three slams.
:shrug: I'm not saying she would have either, nothing is certain, but it was still a possibility. :shrug: And to be honest, I don't even think she's finished, so we'll see. ;)

Golovinjured.
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:42 PM
You know, it's doubtful she'll ever come back.


But, the same with Dokic, Capriati... hopefully she pleasantly surprises us.

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:56 PM
why doesn't she go by Golovina?

Golovinjured.
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:56 PM
She's not russian...she's French. :)

Volcana
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Well then i'll rephrase it. How can you possibly judge what someone has achieved when there have been so many setbacks? Its not like it happened once, or even twice but virtually every time she started playing good tennis, beating all the top players and playing like one, she would get injured.What someone has achieved is what they have achieved. The 'why' is another matter. But I could make that same case about Alexandra Stevenson, and there would be far less sympathy on this board. Elena Bovina could be described much the same way. Does the name Andrea Jaeger mean anything to you? (That was a long time ago.)

I hope Golovin returns and does well. The tour could use a charismatic champion. But tennis is a sport that let's players rise awfully high, and yet never get to the top. Hantchova, Dokic, Petrova -- multitple tournament winners, top five players (Hmmm Petrova's high ranking might be #6, actually) beat elite players .... and never made a slam final, much less won one.

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:12 PM
The tour could use a charismatic champion. But tennis is a sport that let's players rise awfully high, and yet never get to the top. Hantchova, Dokic, Petrova -- multitple tournament winners, top five players (Hmmm Petrova's high ranking might be #6, actually) beat elite players .... and never made a slam final, much less won one.

Petrova was world No.3.

Dav.
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:27 PM
What someone has achieved is what they have achieved. The 'why' is another matter. But I could make that same case about Alexandra Stevenson, and there would be far less sympathy on this board. Elena Bovina could be described much the same way. Does the name Andrea Jaeger mean anything to you? (That was a long time ago.)

I hope Golovin returns and does well. The tour could use a charismatic champion. But tennis is a sport that let's players rise awfully high, and yet never get to the top. Hantchova, Dokic, Petrova -- multitple tournament winners, top five players (Hmmm Petrova's high ranking might be #6, actually) beat elite players .... and never made a slam final, much less won one.
You're still underestimating her results, though. Have a look at her stats thread in Viva la Tati and you will be surprised at what she accomplished with only a small fraction of a career. If I listed the injuries, it would be even more shocking. Considering that and her age, she accomplished A LOT. Most players don't crack the top 18 at 17 years old along with everything else she did.

And her serve, forehand and mentality/anticipation would have made her a consistent top-tenner alone.

Slutiana
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:28 PM
What someone has achieved is what they have achieved. The 'why' is another matter. But I could make that same case about Alexandra Stevenson, and there would be far less sympathy on this board. Elena Bovina could be described much the same way. Does the name Andrea Jaeger mean anything to you? (That was a long time ago.)

I hope Golovin returns and does well. The tour could use a charismatic champion. But tennis is a sport that let's players rise awfully high, and yet never get to the top. Hantchova, Dokic, Petrova -- multitple tournament winners, top five players (Hmmm Petrova's high ranking might be #6, actually) beat elite players .... and never made a slam final, much less won one.
Yeah I get where you're coming from, only time will tell....

delicatecutter
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:33 PM
Wow I forgot how amaze Tati played in that first set Stuttgart final against Henin. :inlove: The sky was the limit in terms of talent and potential. Injuries just always got the best of her. :bigcry: Definitely the best player never to crack the top 10.

Volcana
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:00 PM
You're still underestimating her results, though.With respect, no. I have draw different conclusions than you do from those results. In most cases, big time results at a young age guarantee nothing except ..... injuries. Precisely because a great deal of stress is being put on a body that hasn't physically matured yet.

Martina Hingis was playing tour events at 13. (She actually beat then #18 Sabine Hack at Essen when she was 13.) Her game may have been ready. But what about her body? She was starting to break down at age 21. Jennifer Capriati lost the heart of a multi-slam winning career. Tracy Austin won the US Open twice when she was very young. Then the injuries piled up.

You say 'she accomplished this all when she was so young, it probably means she would have been great.'
I say, 'she accomplished this all when she was so young, it probably means her career will be decimated by injuries.'

WAY more tennis players who accomplish a lot young lose their careers to injury than go on to stardom.

iGOAT
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Precisely. You can't judge what someone could have/will achieve ...

You can ONLY judge by what they've done, and what happens to most players who achieve similiar things. And most players who accomplish the limited amount that Golovin did do NOT go on to accomplish more. They fade away. Or plateau. Golovin was FAR more likely to become a Kirilenko than a Clijsters.

It's easy to want a player you favor to be successful. When they aren't, it's easy to assume they would be, if only ...... but nine times out of ten, it just doesn't work that way.
You have no idea what you're talking about :o.

OMG Slutiana in the Dushevina video I was sitting here cheering for Tati although I knew she had won. In the Hénin video I felt sick to my stomach. In the Kuzzie video I was about to cry that she may be done. In the Sharapova video I was thinking she is by far the GOAT and that is the best match ever.

I think Tati will play again, but probably not well. It's really, really sad :hysteric:.

And to whatever fool said she never won a big title: Portoroz win>Kournikova who was supposedly all great and Amelia Island was a very big title.

iGOAT
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:27 PM
With respect, no. I have draw different conclusions than you do from those results. In most cases, big time results at a young age guarantee nothing except ..... injuries. Precisely because a great deal of stress is being put on a body that hasn't physically matured yet.

Martina Hingis was playing tour events at 13. (She actually beat then #18 Sabine Hack at Essen when she was 13.) Her game may have been ready. But what about her body? She was starting to break down at age 21. Jennifer Capriati lost the heart of a multi-slam winning career. Tracy Austin won the US Open twice when she was very young. Then the injuries piled up.

You say 'she accomplished this all when she was so young, it probably means she would have been great.'
I say, 'she accomplished this all when she was so young, it probably means her career will be decimated by injuries.'

WAY more tennis players who accomplish a lot young lose their careers to injury than go on to stardom.
First you say she can't be finished because she never started and now you say she was really good really young which meant she'll get hurt. Whatever, you're a hater.

Volcana
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:33 PM
First you say she can't be finished because she never started and now you say she was really good really young which meant she'll get hurt.I think you're confusing my posts with someone elses.

iGOAT
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:46 PM
One could question the defition of 'started'. But will she ever be a significant factor on the tour? No.

WAS she ever going to be a significant factor on the tour? No.
Are there two you's? Anyhow I don't wanna argue about it. Obviously you don't think she's good.

M-K
Jul 11th, 2009, 09:25 PM
Hopefully not.. :sad:

Any news from her? Is she still playing at all? Or isn't she able to because of her back? :sad:

Volcana
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:34 PM
Are there two you's?Probably. But to me, there's a significant difference between what I wrote and 'she can't be finished because she never started', which incidentally, I think someone in this thead DID write.Anyhow I don't wanna argue about it. Obviously you don't think she's good.I have not seen, to this point, anything in Golovin's game that said 'slam winner', or even 'perenial top ten player', given that virtually the only 'perennial' top tenner these days who hasn't won a slam is Dementieva. (I don't think Safina has been around long enough to be called a 'perennial'.) That doesn't mean I don't think she's good. It means that a Tier II win at age 19, a GS QF, a career ranking between #11 and #15, and a ton of injuries equals .... Elena Bovina.

Golovin has shown flashes of a level of play that could, if sustained, make her an elite player. But there are thirty players you could say that about. And yes, I concede injuries kept her from every having a chance to sustain. But not getting those injuries wouldn't have guaranteed that she would sustain that level of play.

Donny
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:51 PM
Why does Golovin have so many fans/supporters? I can't think of another non top tenner with such a large and dedicated fan base.

Slutiana
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Why does Golovin have so many fans/supporters? I can't think of another non top tenner with such a large and dedicated fan base.
Well she should be in the top 10, so... :lol:

volta
Jul 12th, 2009, 11:26 AM
Why does Golovin have so many fans/supporters? I can't think of another non top tenner with such a large and dedicated fan base.

maybe ppl like her game? :unsure:

FrenchY52
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:12 PM
Why does Golovin have so many fans/supporters? I can't think of another non top tenner with such a large and dedicated fan base.

And most of them aren't posting anymore now she's away from the tour. ;)
I love her game but to me it's all about her personnality or almost, so top tenner or not who cares :p

Monica_Rules
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:14 PM
I hope she comes back, i did enjoy her game. She wasn'y full on power so added something to the game.

Ballbasher
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:23 PM
There's äjust hope left, she isn't. :sad:

Joe.
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:26 PM
i really miss her :(

but..

she will come back in 2010 and win all grand slamss:devil:

Viktymise
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:43 PM
The hype that Golovin still gets on this board despite the fact that she hasn't played in over a year is rediculous.

You swear she was on her way to No.1 and a handful of GS without her injuries, and was set to become the new Federer of the WTA.

Slutiana
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:46 PM
The hype that Golovin still gets on this board despite the fact that she hasn't played in over a year is rediculous.

You swear she was on her way to No.1 and a handful of GS without her injuries, and was set to become the new Federer of the WTA.
No one has ever said that. :rolleyes: But she was still a really good and talented player.

The Dawntreader
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:48 PM
The hype that Golovin still gets on this board despite the fact that she hasn't played in over a year is rediculous.

You swear she was on her way to No.1 and a handful of GS without her injuries, and was set to become the new Federer of the WTA.

:lol:

I totally agree. Though who are we to argue when she has won the prestigeous Amelia Island trophy?;)

FrenchY52
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:50 PM
:lol:

I totally agree. Though who are we to argue when she has won the prestigeous Amelia Island trophy?;)

And you forgot the almost-grandslam Portoroz :hearts:

The Dawntreader
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:54 PM
And you forgot the almost-grandslam Portoroz :hearts:

:lol:

Nice to see a fan capable of fav-depreciation :hug:

AnomyBC
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:55 PM
To be truthful, considering how much the housing market has crashed and the fact that it's hit Florida worse than just about anywhere, she's lucky to have not lost more than she did. Her big mistake was buying an expensive house in Florida in 2005. Anyway, hopefully she's doing OK, but if she has to resort to more swimsuit modeling to make ends meet I can't say I would mind much :drool:

Viktymise
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:55 PM
No one has ever said that. :rolleyes: But she was still a really good and talented player.

No one has to. The write-ups she gets from her fans on this board make her out to be the most talented, yet tragic supernova of all time who was, without the injuries, destined for Federer like greatness. It's like ChrisCHorse has written each and every one.

Corswandt
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:11 PM
No one has to. The write-ups she gets from her fans on this board make her out to be the most talented, yet tragic supernova of all time who was, without the injuries, destined for Federer like greatness. It's like ChrisCHorse has written each and every one.

:lol:

But not really, as that would mean those writeups would have to include references to her "inner beauty", about how the world lightens up every time that she smiles, about how she radiates joyful positivity to everyone around her, followed by a scathing indictment of all those meanies who dared to suggest that maybe she won't be a future multiple GS winner.

Corswandt
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:13 PM
But all jokes aside, Golovin's early retirement was a big loss to the game. In late 2007, her game was showing undeniable signs of improvement, and she seemed to be headed into the #8-12 range.

But more than that, she was a highly charismatic player with many fans, and it's always important for the Tour to have marketable stars from big tennis countries (US, UK, Germany, France).

Dav.
Jul 12th, 2009, 06:17 PM
Yeah, she ended her career ranked 12 with virtually no points to defend. :sobbing:

frenchie
Jul 12th, 2009, 07:02 PM
did her tennis career really started??:tape:

no seriously, she had the ability to be a consistent top 20 player
and her charisma (in a very pink and girly way:rolleyes:) brought a lot of fans

danieln1
Jul 12th, 2009, 07:05 PM
I think she really wants to comeback, but that spine injury was very, very serious... I think, unfortunately, she´ll take the same road as Kournikova, but I hope I´m wrong, because she was a joy to watch

FrenchY52
Jul 12th, 2009, 07:24 PM
did her tennis career really started??:tape:

no seriously, she had the ability to be a consistent top 20 player
and her charisma (in a very pink and girly way:rolleyes:) brought a lot of fans

If I remember well you were seeing her as a consistant top10 player when you were a "fan". And yeah, she's Charisma on legs but not in the way you say she is, I don't think I'd be a fan in that case. Now you should stop come telling crap in every Tati thread. It's ok now, we know you hate her. I've stopped trolling Barto-threads for months, why not just imitate me :p

frenchie
Jul 12th, 2009, 07:26 PM
If I remember well you were seeing her as a consistant top10 player when you were a "fan". And yeah, she's Charisma on legs but not in the way you say she is, I don't think I'd be a fan in that case. Now you should stop come telling crap in every Tati thread. It's ok now, we know you hate her. I've stopped trolling Barto-threads for months, why not just imitate me :p

No you don't remember well:tape:

Slutiana
Jul 12th, 2009, 07:39 PM
No one has to. The write-ups she gets from her fans on this board make her out to be the most talented, yet tragic supernova of all time who was, without the injuries, destined for Federer like greatness. It's like ChrisCHorse has written each and every one.
Not really. Its just a mystery what she could have achieved because of how frequently she got injured. I mean volcana did mention players with similar circumstances but at least they had stretches to actually show what they were capable of but, I mean, every time Tatiana got injured, started playing like a top 10 player for a few tournaments, she'd get injured and have to start again from scratch. We just don't have any idea about what type of career she could have had, and neither do you.. No one was saying she was gonna win any slams, but we didn't even get a chance to see what she was made of. :shrug:

FrenchY52
Jul 12th, 2009, 07:56 PM
No you don't remember well:tape:

Ok Top5 maybe ? :shrug: Anyway I'll stop answering to you now so say whatever you like and lie and hate as much as you want, that's all you ever do in Tati threads.

To get back to the subject hopefully she's not finished yet :)

Horizon
Jul 12th, 2009, 09:21 PM
Tati thread :sad:

I'm not sure she's finished, from what Samir said, they motivate each other and maybe her injuries won't haunt her so much one day. She was DEFINETELY top 10 material, I don't get how anyone could state otherwise :confused: She was ranked at #12 on the verge of top 10 anyway at one point with the opportunity to gain many more points even with the remnants of injuries that have plagued most of her career, she was steady in nearly every department with a killer forehand. When peaking she took a 6-2 set off Justine in the most prominent form of her career. Tati had big potential in my opinion.

Janet
Jul 12th, 2009, 11:39 PM
Yes, I beleive she is done with tennis at a very young age, when I was at the French Open this year I saw her reporting on a French channel it looks like its her new job. its too bad she as a promising player!!!!!

KournikovaFan91
Jul 13th, 2009, 02:26 AM
I loved her charisma and fun attitude. She had a Kournikova-esque personality which lets be honest the tour really needs. :tape:

I think she may come back, the fact she dates a sportsman is good, also looking at Kournikova, Anna's career was great when she dated Sergey Federov however rapidly went downhill with Enrique :o :o I still blame him on some level for her lack of a comeback.

If Tati does comeback her relationship with Samir would be under pressure, let's be honest she would be away for weeks and he is a Premiership Footballer in London. :shrug:

delicatecutter
Jul 13th, 2009, 02:31 AM
I'm sure she would come back if it was a physically viable option. However I fear that it's just not possible and never will be. :sad:

Ksenia.
Jul 13th, 2009, 08:09 AM
I hope not. She's fun to watch :)

Zébulon
Jul 13th, 2009, 10:23 AM
But all jokes aside, Golovin's early retirement was a big loss to the game.
She did not retire, she's still getting big bucks from her sponsors, and she's found ways to still be in the eye of the media (SI swimsuit issue, videos for Tennis channel and commentating stuff during Roland Garros...) which is something she clearly always enjoyed. So, as far as her tennis is concerned, I'd wait to see if she plays next year before saying she's retired, and if she does retire, I have no doubt she'll still be visible for her fans.

no seriously, she had the ability to be a consistent top 20 player
and her charisma (in a very pink and girly way :rolleyes:) brought a lot of fans
I'd rather say, in a red and very short way... :lol:

Not really. Its just a mystery what she could have achieved because of how frequently she got injured. I mean volcana did mention players with similar circumstances but at least they had stretches to actually show what they were capable of but, I mean, every time Tatiana got injured, started playing like a top 10 player for a few tournaments, she'd get injured and have to start again from scratch. We just don't have any idea about what type of career she could have had, and neither do you.. No one was saying she was gonna win any slams, but we didn't even get a chance to see what she was made of. :shrug:

If, if, if... Some here got blamed for judging Golovin's results unimpressive because she was so often injured, but judging she would have been top 10 without them, is just the same. :shrug: It seems to me, from some comments by the Fed cup team last year, that some of Golovin's injuries were somehow related to her fitness, and not just to mere bad luck. So maybe if she didn't have her mysterious back disease, she'd be doing the rollercoaster this year too, and her ranking might not have improved that much. Or maybe they would, and she'd be top 10 this year. Who knows ?
Like you just wrote. :worship: But many here claim she would have been a factor with a lot of certainty. "Avec des si, on met Paris en bouteille." ;)

Slutiana
Jul 13th, 2009, 11:48 AM
She did not retire, she's still getting big bucks from her sponsors, and she's found ways to still be in the eye of the media (SI swimsuit issue, videos for Tennis channel and commentating stuff during Roland Garros...) which is something she clearly always enjoyed. So, as far as her tennis is concerned, I'd wait to see if she plays next year before saying she's retired, and if she does retire, I have no doubt she'll still be visible for her fans.


I'd rather say, in a red and very short way... :lol:



If, if, if... Some here got blamed for judging Golovin's results unimpressive because she was so often injured, but judging she would have been top 10 without them, is just the same. :shrug: It seems to me, from some comments by the Fed cup team last year, that some of Golovin's injuries were somehow related to her fitness, and not just to mere bad luck. So maybe if she didn't have her mysterious back disease, she'd be doing the rollercoaster this year too, and her ranking might not have improved that much. Or maybe they would, and she'd be top 10 this year. Who knows ?
Like you just wrote. :worship: But many here claim she would have been a factor with a lot of certainty. "Avec des si, on met Paris en bouteille." ;)
Yeah, there's definately no certain answer. Who said about her injuries being related to fitness? She never cramped or anything really :shrug: It was mostly the ankles and hyperextendind her knee ot the cyst and then this genetic back disease. They're not really fitness related, and even if they were, she worked so hard after she got injured in Charleston 07 and she came back in the shape of her life, the results eventually showed that yet it still all fell down and the injuries still came.


But in regards to her possibly coming back, I think the fact that she hates to watch it at home and the fact that she was willing to do this french open commentary thing shows that shes still attached to the sport, who knows? Maybe the back has mostly healed up and she just wants to enjoy life at home with Samir for a few more weeks/months? Because they showed her on TV and she seemed at ease and comfortable and she said there would be times when it was so painful even when doing nothing, so I hope that her condition has at least improved. I mean she's been constantly travelling since she went to bolletieri at 7. Or maybe thats just me being too hopeful, but I miss her game. :sad:

Harju.
Jul 13th, 2009, 12:33 PM
Unfortunately, I truly believe she's done as tennis player. I hop she proves me wrong.

And frenchie, you shouldn't hate her that she ignored you once ages ago, be thankful that you were in her presence :inlove:

Breske
Jul 13th, 2009, 02:58 PM
^ :crying2: