View Full Version : Breaking News: Venus Pulls Out Of Zurich!

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:19 PM
citing "other plans and tiredness." Anna K gets wildcard. All other top 10 players to play.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:23 PM
other plans?? who do she think she is? she could have a better excuse than that

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by rhz
other plans?? who do she think she is? she could have a better excuse than that
!! She's Venus Williams, that's who.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:27 PM
She's VENUS, with a free will to do what ever she wants.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:28 PM
I don't like how this sounds:o

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:32 PM
If she really cited "other plans" that's ridiculous - if she had other plans she shouldn't have committed to the tournament.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:33 PM
Acording to Irina Spirlea, she's "the f#^king Venus Williams."

Maybe Venus decided to take another vacation during this week. Hmm, Serena is playing this event and they have played 4 times this year already and could play again in LA so maybe they need some more break from each other.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:33 PM
We all knew a few top players would pull out. That field at Zurich is strong enough as it is.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:35 PM
Serena is commited for 4 tournaments, and Venus to only 1... :eek:

Tokyo Princess Cup



Sep 12th, 2002, 05:35 PM
Its good news she has withdrew, maybe with a bit of luck she will retire too?

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:37 PM
:rolleyes: @w_f

Venus has never played a heavy schedule in the fall, has she? (obvously last year was a special, case - but even before that...)

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:38 PM
some of you people really need to get a grip!!! You will jump at any bait to be overly critical of the Sisters...Venus doesn't need the points or the money...she says she needs rest...whats the big deal???they aren't gonna cancel the tournament cause Venus pulled out...ya'll will just have to find someone else to root against......

BTW Anton...Venus is beautiful to many people...intelligent by any standards...and the most incredible athlete in wta history...you lobbed this egg just to incite haters to take shots at Venus...i am shocked at how many morons were willing to oblige you...get a life!!!

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:42 PM
moving on.

school maybe? or have they finished that?

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:43 PM
I did not "lobbed this egg." If they can have a "is venus gay?" thread then we can have a "is venus wonderful, etc?" the world is full of negativity so why not add a little sunlight into this day?

And to beecool, the Linz website says serena is playing that event too so i seriously doubt serena will play 7 indoor events. she will be next on the withdraw line.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:47 PM
Ok, so she withdrew... People are so irritating here :mad:

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:51 PM
Venus is still in shock after losing to Serena at Wimbledon.. was made even worst when she got trunced on saturday night.

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:56 PM
I think Venus is being honest. I'll bet 'other plas turns into lying on a beach far away from tennis. I think these GS finals with Serena take a lot out of Venus emotionally. She can't be #1 for the year unless Serena collapses. She didn't win a GS title this year. She's admittedly tired of tennis. If this is how she's actually feeling, I'd rather she take the rest of the year off, and let the people who have the heart for it chase Serena. Venus said in one of her post-match interviews that she hadn't gone to net much because she hadn't really worked on her net game. (which showed) She said then that was somehting she'd work on during the off season.

She'll be a lot better off spending the next three months learning how to volley than getting whacked around by Serena in finals, while trouncing everyone else.

Serena is the death of the power baseliner. I think Monica, Jelena, Jenn, possibly even Lindsay, have all seen their last win over her.

I. She has the best first serve in the game.

* Her first serve is more reliable than Lindsay or Venus or Justine's, or Dani's. And it's faster than anyone but Venus.

*Her second serve is too good to kill. She can hook it. She can keep it low. It's still an offensive weapon.

II. She has the best return of serve in the game.

* During the US Open, Mary Carillo I think, said Serena returns serve now, and I quote ".... as well as Monica Seles in her hey day." She's the death of any weak second serve.

III. Her groundstrokes off both sides are hard, deep and she's keeping her unforced errors down. She's using a lot more topspin, and a lot more slice now. She shots are not suble and they aren't disguised. But she is tossing variety. All high paced, but variety.

IV. She's an efficient volleyer. Her first volley is usually an attempt to end the point, she doesn't block back deep to the middle.

She's beatable, from not from the baseline. All her losses are to junk balling all court players. Sooner or later, all the power players who want to take a run at #1 will have to learn the all court game. Cause otherwise, Serena will beat them.

Tired of baseline tennis? We should be seeing less and less of it in finals.

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:00 PM
Wait.. So you are saying Serena is not a power baseliner? :rolleyes:
She said in an interview herself that she wishes she could make much more trips to the net.

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:05 PM
Venus will attack the net in 2003 to crush Ms. Bodysuit.

Cybelle Darkholme
Sep 12th, 2002, 06:05 PM
I think shes still in shock from losing wimbledon and the us open. I really think she thought she had wimbledon in the bag. I believe if she won that tie breaker in the first set she would have had it, but oh well.

Can you blame the woman for pulling out after losing three grand slams to the same person? THREE! She needs to take a vacation, rethink her game plan, and come back strong for the aussie open.

Venus will rise like a phoenix from the ashes of her losses and come back to set the tour on fire!

Serena, your smacking down big sis will only serve to make her stronger and better. Thank you, now hopefully the nurturing gloves are off and the battle will begin!

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:08 PM
Nimi, I think it's that Serena's the power baseliner to end all power baseliners, and I think Volcana's probably right.

I'm still curious though - has V ever played a full schedule in the fall?

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:10 PM
I can't say I'm surprised. In fact, I would be surprised if we saw any tennis from Venus this fall. She obviously has to be disapointed that Serena has surpassed her by such a wide margin. Still, I'm always disappointed when professional tennis players -- just like any other professional -- reneg on their commitments.

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:12 PM
griffin, venus does not like playing indoors bc she has big loopy swings ans the ball is coming too fast for her to truely set up her groundstrokes as she would like to so these withdrawls are not surprising at all. and no, i dont think she has ever played a lot of fall event unless you count the one year (1998?) where she entered even the quailfing, refusing tournament directors wildcards.

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:38 PM
So what if Venus withdraw, the girl is tired and want to rest go on vacation she has the right to!! she still is one of the best player!!

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:50 PM
Niminator - What Griffin said. You can still be a top five player and be a power baseliner. But you have no chance at the top spot. Some players will re-tool their games, like Amelie has over the last two years. OTOH, I rather doubt Monica is going to spend the next two years changing how she plays. I don't see big changes coming from Lindsay or Jenn either. And sadly, Venus is decidely NOT showing any great desire to step her game right now.

Jelena - Owns property on the baseline.

Justine has a fine net game already.
Chanda's fine, and she's been proving all summer.
Hantuchova has a net game. Which disappears against power baseliners.
Kim net game can disappear too, but right now her health is such a big concern. She's totally inconsistent.

And after they get good at that, they still have to content with the fact that Serena hits harder and misses less.

Sep 12th, 2002, 06:59 PM
To echo Jem, this is really no surprise. The last time she played more than one fall event AND the WTA finals was 1999.

It's her right not to play and it's the WTA's right to fine her. Just think, her fine can fund a good challenger event:)

Lets hope she does enter the finals, where she would bring in more fans.

A last thought. There's a silver lining IMO to Venus shipping out on the fall. First, it means Serena will be the computer #1. It would have been a true horror to have a winner of 3 slams not be #1:fiery:

The other thing is it gives Venus time to recharge her batteries and hopefully fix her forehand.

Sep 12th, 2002, 07:20 PM
I don't want Venus to change her game too much. She must improve her serve, both of them. Cut down on the unforced errors. That means her ground strokes were a little bit off. I looked at that final a few times. unforced errors killed her, plus her serve. Serena did not get a lot more winners than Venus, or aces.
we should not panic. Vee is right up there with Serena.

Sep 12th, 2002, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by wolves_fan
Its good news she has withdrew, maybe with a bit of luck she will retire too?
:bounce: What an idiot you are.:rolleyes:

Sep 12th, 2002, 07:26 PM
"Other plans" are really a much better reason than "Tiredness" for a tournament that doesn't start for another 32 days.

I don't have a problem with this though, she gave very good notice.

Sep 12th, 2002, 07:40 PM
I have no problem with her withdrawing, or any other players that withdraw. They know what they are committing to, and they know that if they pull out they might get fined. In the end it doesn't really hurt anybody, except maybe the fans who wanted to see her play, but it's her life and if she says she has other plans then so be it.

Sep 12th, 2002, 07:44 PM

Have they finished school yet?

Sep 12th, 2002, 07:49 PM
I agree with Volcana, Venus wants time to get over her draining hardcourt season and start to retool her game. Actually I would hope she develops an entirely different service motion. Spend lots of time on her volleys, and improve her forehand technically. Then play a few tourmaments toward the end of the year to get ready for the tour championship and Aussie. :cool:

Sep 12th, 2002, 08:00 PM
no, venus and serena are still in fashion school.

Sep 12th, 2002, 08:36 PM
Since when is "tiredness" a legitimate excuse to pull out of a tournament??:rolleyes: If she committed to this tournament in good faith then she deserves to be fined - simply as that!!:eek:


Sep 12th, 2002, 08:42 PM
thank you anton :)

Sep 12th, 2002, 08:47 PM
I'd like to see Venus not play any more at all this year.

While Jim Courier gets on my nerves, it was fun to hear him say that he was amused that all of the complainers were saying that if Venus and Serena played more, they would lose more.


And I believe that the original Martina said something like "don't awaken a sleeping giant."

I know that they won't do it, but I'd like to see them do to one or two of the slams what they hopefully will continue to do to Indian Wells.

That'll fix the complainers' little red wagons.:mad:

And as Venus says she has to play just enough to not get bored. And I believe that she is basically supporting the tour.
But hell, the tour will let you play yourself to death and then call you a fool for playing too much.:fiery:

Sep 12th, 2002, 08:52 PM
It disappoints me that so many top players (not just Venus) withdraw from tournaments at short notice. I think it's particularly unfair on their fans, so many of the players don't appreciate the fact that the majority of fans may try to plan their limited vacation time around what they are led to believe will be the "committed" tournaments. Add to that the fact that tickets are not exactly cheap for the European indoor tournaments.

I feel the WTA has got to tackle this issue of players pulling out of tournaments they have committed to. It is cheating the fans and the tournament directors, and doesn't exactly help attract new sponsors to the game.

Sep 12th, 2002, 09:07 PM
I'm actually quite happy at the news. From the onset of the year, when I watched Venus kill herself with those five consecutive weeks of tennis in February(????), I was worried. Now, we've tried the expt of playing overtime. V needs to get back to what got her four slams in two years.

And V needs to pull a serious Bill Tilden right now (a la early 2000). Just as Bill took months off to develop a backhand, V needs to use Sept, Oct, Nov and December to get her a 2nd serve. Volleys (backhand and fore) would be gravy.

But a 2nd serve will do wonders for every other part of her game. Those errors we saw all last week will disappear.

Sep 12th, 2002, 09:16 PM
Venus said at the Open that she was not going to school this fall. She must be in a real state. I wonder why she picked Zurich to pull out of instead of Moscow (well she does love Russian history). This must be serious, as she will have to pay several fines and forfeit her bonus pool money.

I want to know what Serena' real schedule is, as I HIGHLY DOUBT that she will play five events this fall plus LA.

Sep 12th, 2002, 09:35 PM
Obviously she is at a crossroads. All I want her to do is play what she needs to stay #2.

Sep 12th, 2002, 09:39 PM
All I want her to do is play what she needs to stay #2.

Shouldn't be a problem, she didn't play at all last autumn, right? So any tournament she entres she'll get points...

Sep 12th, 2002, 09:51 PM
So, I talked with the Organisators today. They said that Venus never entered to the field. So she don't pulled out.

Sep 12th, 2002, 09:53 PM
Venus is in no hurry to face Serena anytime soon. If you, guys, don't remember how good Serena is on carpet, please review some of her matches last year in Munich. Also, note that her first win over Venus was on carpet! So, nobody can blame Venus for refusing to subject herself to an almost certain 5th defeat in a row.

Volcana is right when stating that Venus "will be a lot better off spending the next three months learning how to volley than getting whacked around by Serena in finals, while trouncing everyone else." Nonetheless, I hope both sisters show up at the tour championship in LA.

One thing for sure is that Serena will have a stranglehold on the #1 for many months. She will have no points to lose at Aussie-03 and, therefore, can increase her lead over the rest. We can foresee for her at least another 39 more weeks at #1 (ie, 9 months, till June/03), which would take her right above Lindsay in the list below.

Weeks at #1
Steffi Graf (GER) 378* weeks
Martina Navratilova (USA) 331
Chris Evert (USA) 262
Martina Hingis (SUI) 209
Monica Seles (USA) 178
Lindsay Davenport (USA) 37
Tracy Austin (USA) 22
Jennifer Capriati (USA) 18
Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario (ESP) 12
Venus Williams (USA) 11
Serena Williams (USA) 10

As for her domination of power baseliners, my take is that Serena just dominates everybody. We should not forget that the queen of all-courters, Hingis, has had no answer for her in the past year and a half. However, it's true that the tour players must try everything (including the kitchen sink) against Serena, as nothing has worked consistently so far.

Meanwhile, Venus, do whatever suits you best. Then, come back a winner!

Sep 12th, 2002, 10:56 PM
exhaustion or tiredness is a good reason for a tournament that starts IMMINENTLY, not one starting next month!

Sep 12th, 2002, 11:47 PM
My feelings is that Venus has already conceded the year-end's #1 ranking to Serena (having won 3 slams, at her expense yet), and might have felt that it would be futile to try grabbing that top spot from her more deserving sister. Though mathematically, I guess she's the only who has a realistic shot to steal it away from Serena.

Bottomline, I really think Venus is really 'mentally exhausted' more than anything else and has the right to withdraw from any tournament she wishes. She has given her all to achieve the # 1 ranking this year and though she really would like to end the year at the top, she might have felt she had done her personal best for the year already. I guess she felt that the season is over for her and probably be better off gearing up for the next.

Sep 12th, 2002, 11:51 PM
I agree, but She really had a shot at the #1 ranking. If she really wanted it, she would've played Brazil, Moscow, Zurich and the Year end Champs Which would have really helped her snag it, but I guess Serena is more deserving of the #1 ranking

Sep 12th, 2002, 11:58 PM
She really had a shot at the #1 ranking. If she really wanted it. . .

I don't think Venus wanted to be like Davenport was last year . . . backing into the #1 position. Venus has more pride than that.:rolleyes: She didn't win a Slam this year and was beaten (how many times?) by Serena. She knows Serena deserves the #1 spot.

In my opinion, Venus isn't nearly as serious or committed to tennis as Serena. I'm glad Venus has decided to take some time off. She's worked hard and she has seem listless the past couple of months. Taking a few months off would be good for her, forget what the WTA thinks.:p Let the WTA keep busy picking up the pieces of Jelena Dokic when she falls apart from playing all those tournaments.:sad:

Crazy Canuck
Sep 13th, 2002, 12:13 AM
I know that they won't do it, but I'd like to see them do to one or two of the slams what they hopefully will continue to do to Indian Wells.

Did I misunderstand this? Why would you want them to not play one of two of the slams? As far as I know nothing like INdian Wells has happened at any of the 4 slams.

Sep 13th, 2002, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by veryborednow

Have they finished school yet?

Couldn't they just finish fashion "school" through the mail?

Sep 13th, 2002, 03:21 AM
OK now it's my turn to speculate since none of us know what the heck is going on...:p :p

i think that Venus is clinically depressed from all the beatings she's gotten lately and probably needs the time to see a professional shrink. :o :o

now seriously, Venus has no points to defend so why should she stress herself out by playing when she doesn't have to? besides she makes playing tennis look like a joyless, miserable chore, so why not take some time off to get her groove back, spend some time with her bodyguard, perhaps rekindle her interest. :confused: any sensible person would do that.

the upside of her strategy is that she may be more rested by Oz 2003 and may finally be able to thrash her sister.

the downside of course is that by Oz 2003, Serena will be an unstoppable slamming machine. go Serena!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek:

Sep 13th, 2002, 03:24 AM
Obviously, Venus is trying to avoid Serena before further humiliation.

Sep 13th, 2002, 03:53 AM
What are the rules for fining a player who withdraws from a tournament. It is my understanding that a player will only be fined when she gives the tournament a short notice just prior to it starting.

Any top player can enter every tournament and then adjust her schedule accordingly. I do not believe she will be fined because it is over a month away. Any facts...

Sep 13th, 2002, 04:02 AM
That was quite a mouthful there express,oops I meant tennischick :eek:

Sep 13th, 2002, 04:43 AM
oh well,lets face it it will give some of the other players more of a chance-which will make it all far more interesting.

Sep 13th, 2002, 05:15 AM
I'm just a little confused about the tiredness part... Yes, it makes perfect sense that Venus was tired after the US Open and pulled out of Bahia. But how does she know that she will be fine for Moscow and then too tired again for Zurich?

The 'other plans' part would make more sense...

Sep 13th, 2002, 05:26 AM
let's be realistic, with Serena in the main draw of Zürich the only place that could reach Venus is the "second place". Maybe this is the reason why she quits from Zürich; she doesn't wants more humiliations. :cool:

Sep 13th, 2002, 05:29 AM
she is mentally tired which means she does not want to play 4 or 5 more events this year.

selesrules i am so sick of you badmouthing venus. you are asking for us to post a pic of monica that has been distorted in a funny way. just keep it up.

for her to withdraw it was either Moscow or Zurich and I think Venus already told serena that she wanted to play Moscow so Serena didnt enter Moscow. This tournament is Venus' pick so Venus withdrew from Zurich. It does not have anything to do with playing Serena. Moscow was Venus' pick so she likes that tournament better so that is her choice and Moscow SF and F will be on ESPN2 so I'm glad.

And another thing selesrules, how many tournaments did Monica pull out of at the last minute back in the day?? 20-30? At least Venus is not hiding out in Donald Trump drug house.

Sep 13th, 2002, 08:52 AM
LOL!! This is too funny. By the way, it is nice of everyone to acknowledge that both Venus and Serena are on top of the tennis world. Serena has beaten Venus in three grand slam finals this year....What in the heck does that say about the rest of the field...I'll tell you...Venus and Serena are dominating them. LOL! Serena is #1 Venus #2!!!! Venus has reached the finals three straight grand slam events.....including the "she'll never do well there" French Open! Venus has had a terrific year...reaching the #1 position and continuing to raise her game. The more you "put down" Venus....the more you make the other players appear helpless vs Venus or Serena. Thanks a bunch for acknowleding the dominance of Venus and Serena!!!

Sep 13th, 2002, 09:43 AM
Serena plays quite a lot this fall, isn´t she

- Tokyo ( new )
- Leipzig ( new )
- Filderstadt ( new )
- Zurich ( new )
- L.A.

Venus could play Moscow and Linz then ?

Sep 13th, 2002, 10:37 AM
:sad: And I was going there just to see my Venus. Well I will have to settle with Serena then.:D

Sep 13th, 2002, 04:04 PM
quote from Roseie
Serena did not get a lot more winners than Venus, or aces

thanks Roseie
from the way everyone is talking one would think that Venus was outclassed.

i thought i was the only one who noted that Venus was so much out-classed as much as a case of "Serena played well but Venus did not":wavey:

Sep 13th, 2002, 07:19 PM
One thing the Williams sister and I have in common, it seems, is the genuine belief that the U.S. Open effectively marks the END of the tennis season. Indoor tennis, IMHO, is a different sport.

Neither of them have ever played much in the fall, so the fact that Venus appears to be going on an extended vacation should suprise no one. But whereas Venus played a lot of tennis this summer (winning tournaments at Stanford, LA and New Haven), Serena has had a lighter schedule. It might be attractive for her to take a "victory lap" thru Europe - though i seriously doubt that she'll play 5 events.

Sep 13th, 2002, 07:31 PM
Lovely thoughts there, anton. Next I suppose you'll accuse Cal Ripken Jr of selling blowjobs in dark alleys.

Sep 13th, 2002, 10:34 PM
To me, Venus looked really tight and spent at Wimbledon and the US Open. Watching those GS finals between the two, I started to think that this dream story (two sisters number one and two) might not have a happy ending. What if Serena continues like this? It doesn't seem to make tennis a lot of fun for Venus anymore. BTW, this is not wishful thinking. I'm not out to badmouth Venus or Serena. It's just an observation.

Sep 14th, 2002, 01:53 AM
I believe that Venus has to get very fit if she wants to challenge Serena. She already has the game.

Sep 14th, 2002, 02:17 AM
I see it the other way around-it's about the game not fitness- Venus needs to improve her serve and go to the net more (easier said than done)
I'm disappointed but it's not last minute it's 4 weeks in advance- I just hope Vee works on her game during the offseason.

People bitch about everything, u complain when u see a Venus and a Serena final, now when one withdraws preventing an all williams final, u bitch about that too :(

Sep 14th, 2002, 03:30 AM
yeah thats very true violet...they are criticized for everything, people complain about them being in too many finals together when they only have played in 4 tournaments together this year and could only meet in the finals in 3 of them...now they play more events people call it boring, now thats what pisses me off because they wanted what they got and they still complain...

Sam L
Sep 14th, 2002, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by Larrybid
One thing the Williams sister and I have in common, it seems, is the genuine belief that the U.S. Open effectively marks the END of the tennis season.

So you missed Serena winning the Season Ending Championships in Munich last year? :rolleyes: Again another poster that thinks the world revolves around America.

Sep 14th, 2002, 07:30 AM
Excuse me Sam, but this has nothing to do with any chauvanistic feelings - as American's go, I'm not very - it has simply to do with my view of indoor tennis. Indoor tennis isn't anymore appealing to me played in America than it is in Europe. I respect the European clay court season - that's real tennis, played in God's outdoor's.

As for the Championships, well, I did tune in to watch those, except there was no final, because Lindsay Davenport blew out her knee landing on that goofy carpet they try to play on. Listen, if the game can't be played outdoors, it seems to me that that is Nature's way of telling folks that this should be the OFFSEASON for the sport. Commonsense tells me that with all the physical demands that tennis is requiring to play at the highest levels (where strenth and conditioning is now a necessity, and the crazy travel demands duing the season) a 3-4 month offseason makes the most sense for the elite players. Nascar drivers have a longer offseason than tennis player's - and they play sitting on their rear ends! The tennis season is crazy!

Sep 14th, 2002, 11:53 AM
'Breaking News: Venus Pulls Out Of Zurich!'

OMG :eek: head for the hills ...

Sep 14th, 2002, 05:29 PM
As a matter of fact I like to see when the williams sister faces each other in the finals to me both are winners!! but I know venus will find some answers for lil sis on the tennis court!! when they do meet again and it could be the year end tourment in LA!! that will be great in front of their home town!!!

Sep 14th, 2002, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca

Did I misunderstand this? Why would you want them to not play one of two of the slams? As far as I know nothing like INdian Wells has happened at any of the 4 slams.

Rebecca, my point is not that the same thing happened at the slams that happened at IW. The point is that it seems to stick in the craws of the complainers that they get to the finals at everything.
Therefore if they were not at a couple of slams perhaps we could see if they have any value to the tour. :o

Sep 14th, 2002, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by anton
she is mentally tired which means she does not want to play 4 or 5 more events this year.

selesrules i am so sick of you badmouthing venus. you are asking for us to post a pic of monica that has been distorted in a funny way. just keep it up.

:D @anton

Too bad that someone as wonderful as Monica has to be associated with certain individuals who shall remain nameless.:o

By the way, I liked Monica's Amex commercial best. It was so cute when she cut her eyes at the cashier when she grunted at the checkout counter.:)