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Donny
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:01 AM
Is it safe to assume we already know who it's going to be? Or is is there still a chance than a red hot run by a player during the Summer HC season/indoor leg of the tour might put them in the running?

woosey
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:09 AM
well, if you go by the whole consistency but not slams argument, dinara might be player of the year.

if you believe it's important to win your sport's most coveted prizes, then obviously serena.

is this like a trick question?

Donny
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:15 AM
well, if you go by the whole consistency but not slams argument, dinara might be player of the year.

if you believe it's important to win your sport's most coveted prizes, then obviously serena.

is this like a trick question?

Well, considering what happened last year, anything's possible.

Ken Lee
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:20 AM
Is this even a question? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Donny
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:22 AM
Is this even a question? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, Serena did win half (at least) of the majors this year, but she did fail to claim the coveted titles in Rome and Madrid. So it's a toss up, in my opinion.

Kworb
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:26 AM
We don't know yet. What if Safina is undefeated the second half of the year? And Serena loses to Sloane Stephens in the first round of the US Open?

OsloErik
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:27 AM
Is it safe to assume we already know who it's going to be? Or is is there still a chance than a red hot run by a player during the Summer HC season/indoor leg of the tour might put them in the running?

Well, that's assuming Kuznetsova doesn't win the US Open and a host of other events. And Safina isn't entirely out of the hunt; she wins the US Open and Serena doesn't do so hot, her W-F-F-SF looks awfully good when coupled with her other slate of titles. But obviously Serena is looking pretty good right now. Once the US Open is over, we'll know if anyone has a chance. Serena wins the US, it's locked in, no matter what.

well, if you go by the whole consistency but not slams argument, dinara might be player of the year.

if you believe it's important to win your sport's most coveted prizes, then obviously serena.

is this like a trick question?

Well, considering what happened last year, anything's possible.

What happened last year? Jankovic won in a year four different women won slams and she was the world #1. That's a completely different scenario. THey didn't neglect a multiple slam champion for a slam finalist. Serena's already produced a better season, slamwise, than anyone last year. The only way someone could justify a different champion would be if Safina wins the US Open and Serena doesn't have another title (unlikely), or if Kuznetsova wins the US Open and finishes with more titles on the year than Serena (possible).

Donny
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:35 AM
Well, that's assuming Kuznetsova doesn't win the US Open and a host of other events. And Safina isn't entirely out of the hunt; she wins the US Open and Serena doesn't do so hot, her W-F-F-SF looks awfully good when coupled with her other slate of titles. But obviously Serena is looking pretty good right now. Once the US Open is over, we'll know if anyone has a chance. Serena wins the US, it's locked in, no matter what.

This is the only reasonable scenario is which I could see Serena not winning Player of The Year. But it's very unlikely, imo. Kuzzie's breaking her atrocious finals slump by winning to GS titles in the same calendar year would leave me stunned. She has the game to do it, but she's *always* had the game to do it, and never delivered.





What happened last year? Jankovic won in a year four different women won slams and she was the world #1. That's a completely different scenario. THey didn't neglect a multiple slam champion for a slam finalist. Serena's already produced a better season, slamwise, than anyone last year. The only way someone could justify a different champion would be if Safina wins the US Open and Serena doesn't have another title (unlikely), or if Kuznetsova wins the US Open and finishes with more titles on the year than Serena (possible).

Jelena didn't have a better year than any of the slam winners. If their benchmark for POTY is consistency, fine, but I was under the impression that it was awarded to the *best player...

Rollo
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:47 AM
Nice post OsloErik

If Safina or Dementireva won the US Open she might be a candidate in my view. Then it might come down to the YEC.

For now it's Rena babe as #1.

spiritedenergy
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:56 AM
If Kuztesova wins US Open and YEC, then her. If Safina wins US Open and YEC, she might be...

If none of the 2 scenarios happen, then Serena.

Volcana
Jul 8th, 2009, 04:57 AM
You may recall that Martina Hingis was Player of the Year in 2000, despite not winning a slam.

I don't think the tennis establishment has the animus toward Serena that it did toward Venus in 2000, but you never know. If you can win Wimbledon, the US Open and the Olympic singles and doubles gold medals, and a player who doesn't win a slam sinds up Player of the Year, then anything's possible.

Mynarco
Jul 8th, 2009, 04:57 AM
We can start this discussion after YEC is done

Donny
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:00 AM
We can start this discussion after YEC is done

Or I can start it now.

Thank you EVER so much for this ray of brilliance, however.

debopero
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:02 AM
well, if you go by the whole consistency but not slams argument, dinara might be player of the year.

if you believe it's important to win your sport's most coveted prizes, then obviously serena.

is this like a trick question?

I am going rebuke this a bit. I do not believe Dinara has been the most consistent. She did not win a title until May and her win over Venus was the thing that catapulted her. Yes, she has made two Grand Slam finals, but whom exactly did she beat to get there?? Post-Australia, she was actually having an abysmal year in reality. Serena has the same amount of titles and they are both Grand Slams.

kiwifan
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:56 AM
Clearly it has to be Safina, she's ranked #1. :shrug:

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MaBaker
Jul 8th, 2009, 11:24 AM
Jelena Jankovic.

Donny
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Jelena Jankovic.

Yes, her epic match against future GOAT Oudin was one for the ages.

iGOAT
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:08 PM
I would say if Serena Williams wins the US Open, she is player of the year.

If Dinara wins the US Open, she would be very close to Serena for playre of the year...

If someone else can win the US Open and YEC they would be in contention for it too.

Pebbles
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:10 PM
Considering it's July and there are a good 4 more months left, I will make my decision then.

sammy01
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:31 PM
serena has obviously put herself in a great position, but then so have safina and kuznetsova, the us open is really were its going to be decided.

jzrnsk
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:45 PM
not so, safina has won no gs. serena has won three of the last four. just bcuz safina did better in the bad tournaments doesn't mean she is the best. the big ones are what counts. i saw safina get creamed at the french. kuznetsova outplayed safina, and safina played terribly.

calabar
Jul 8th, 2009, 04:57 PM
You may recall that Martina Hingis was Player of the Year in 2000, despite not winning a slam.......
If you can win Wimbledon, the US Open and the Olympic singles and doubles gold medals, and a layer who doesn't win a slam sinds up Player of the Year, then anything's possible.
The end of 2000 was when ALL of the problems surrounding the ranking system and POY awards came to a head. In a sense you could "blame" all of these problems on Venus and Hingis. Since 2000, there has always been a disconnect between the percieved "best" player, the POY and the #1 ranked player. The WTA has never been the same since. I suspect this disconnect will not be connected until two famous sisters retire from the sport. In the meantime, we will continue to enjoy the annual rite of passage regarding who "deserves" the #1 ranking and/or the POY.

For what it's worth (probably two cents), LOGIC says Serena should be the POY unless Kuznetsova wins the US Open AND the YEC. But I would not be shocked (any more) if Safina wins it.

MaBaker
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Yes, her epic match against future GOAT Oudin was one for the ages.
Is that sarcasm ? I can't tell.

jzrnsk
Jul 8th, 2009, 06:28 PM
Is that sarcasm ? I can't tell.

I'm not sure, but oudin, that is just ridiculous.

bwahahahahaha
Jul 8th, 2009, 06:59 PM
When a Williams is involved nothing is guaranteed. I won't be surprised if Safina becomes ITF player ofthe year with 0 grandslam. ITF winner has always been the other player when the race was 'close'. Serena needs to win the us open to seal the deal. Otherwise she won't be ITFplayer of year.

Kart
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:47 PM
Player of the year is Serena's to lose IMHO.

Temperenka
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:50 PM
A tie between Nicole Vaidisova and Victoria Azarenka. :)

...Serena's to win or lose.

samn
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Since 2000, there has always been a disconnect between the percieved "best" player, the POY and the #1 ranked player.



Surely you don't include Serena in 2002 and Henin in 2007 in that? They were pretty clear #1 players in those years, were both named PoTY, and were generally perceived as the best players in those years.

pwayne
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:29 PM
I would say player of the year is still to be determined due to Dinara being number 1 but Serena has won 2 Slams to date with the United States Open approaching. If Serena wins USO, she is the player of the year as she would have 3 Slams, French Open QF, and a finalist apperance at Key Biscayne. If Serena does not win USO, the indoor season will determine player of year.

-Sonic-
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:32 PM
lol.... its july.

delicatecutter
Jul 8th, 2009, 10:09 PM
Caroline Wozniacki for sure. :hearts: Her title run in Eastbourne where the highest ranked player she beat was #18 was an amazing feat!! :worship:

OsloErik
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:14 AM
Jelena didn't have a better year than any of the slam winners. If their benchmark for POTY is consistency, fine, but I was under the impression that it was awarded to the *best player...

Well, who WAS the best player of the year? No slam winner had a standout season. Jelena didn't have a standout season. Safina didn't have standout season. There were 6 slam finalists that year, four different winners, two of whom also reached an additional final, and neither of those women put together a #1 quality season. There was literally no perfect choice. I can't think of anyone who has an unimpeachable case to be POY for 2008 over Jelena. She had a HUGE points lead on the rest of the field by the end of the year. Who was the best?

spencercarlos
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:19 AM
Well, that's assuming Kuznetsova doesn't win the US Open and a host of other events. And Safina isn't entirely out of the hunt; she wins the US Open and Serena doesn't do so hot, her W-F-F-SF looks awfully good when coupled with her other slate of titles. But obviously Serena is looking pretty good right now. Once the US Open is over, we'll know if anyone has a chance. Serena wins the US, it's locked in, no matter what.





What happened last year? Jankovic won in a year four different women won slams and she was the world #1. That's a completely different scenario. THey didn't neglect a multiple slam champion for a slam finalist. Serena's already produced a better season, slamwise, than anyone last year. The only way someone could justify a different champion would be if Safina wins the US Open and Serena doesn't have another title (unlikely), or if Kuznetsova wins the US Open and finishes with more titles on the year than Serena (possible).
Serena is locked i think, unless Kuznetsova takes the Usopen and has a better indoor season than Serena as well. I find it very difficult to happen.

Safina, Venus doesn not stand a chance unless somehow they win the Usopen and the YEC and Serena performs very poorly from now on.

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:25 AM
Given that it's July, it's pretty difficult to say.

Aside from the obvious choice of Serena, I'd say there are several candidates, Venus, Kuz, Safina and even Elena D'. If Dementieva pulls off the USO and finishes strong she could be up there. But Serena and Kuz are the obvious leaders, imo.

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 9th, 2009, 10:43 AM
Funny but I think people forgot that up until the end of April everyone was talking about how much of a slump Safina was in. After Oz her form totally collapsed and she had a string of early loses. It wasn't until the clay season that she really started to turn her year around. She hasn't been the model of consistency people are saying she has. Rena's bad patch of play is dismissed, however- that's the power of winning three out of four of the last slams.

Matt01
Jul 9th, 2009, 11:18 AM
Serena is locked i think, unless Kuznetsova takes the Usopen and has a better indoor season than Serena as well. I find it very difficult to happen.

Safina, Venus doesn not stand a chance unless somehow they win the Usopen and the YEC and Serena performs very poorly from now on.


1. There is no "indoor season" anymore. The biggest tourneys after the US Open are Bejing, Tokyo and Doha and they are all played outdoors.

2. Venus doesn't have any real chance anymore to become player of the year, you should know that ;) Safina and Kuznetsova still have a chance, though.

SAEKeithSerena
Jul 9th, 2009, 03:02 PM
Serena.

if that's even a question you're a fucking moron.

2 slams>2 clay court titles

ZODIAC
Jul 9th, 2009, 03:37 PM
Jankovic deserves player of the year

sharapovarulz1
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Hmmm tricky one! Safina could take it now I suppose but if she won the US Open then Id say it was 99.9% her title. However to the naked eye it should be Serena as of now but then what if Kuznetsova won the US Open! Either of them 3 are my guess and Id say wait till the US Open is over first lol

50Sense
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:15 PM
Maybe if Serena gets the notion to win a smaller tournament, it'll become much clearer.

ZODIAC
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Serena has not won a title outside the slams,she has not been a model of consistency unless she starts winning tier 1 or 2s then she will be considered.I think Safina deserves the title so far based on her consistency if she wins a slam she solidifies her nomination.

Olórin
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:25 PM
Serena has not won a title outside the slams,she has not been a model of consistency unless she starts winning tier 1 or 2s then she will be considered.I think Safina deserves the title so far based on her consistency if she wins a slam she solidifies her nomination.

Serena's W/L %age is the same as Safina's. Safina was having some career-worst losses until the claycourt season, she has hardly been a model of consistency herself and is only number one by virtue of Serena's injury-plagued claycourt season and Miami Final. Besides, no-one is going to nominate a player who is losing love and one in the latter stages of slams for POY.

ZODIAC
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:29 PM
Serena's W/L %age is the same as Safina's. Safina was having some career-worst losses until the claycourt season, she has hardly been a model of consistency herself and is only number one by virtue of Serena's injury-plagued claycourt season and Miami Final. Besides, no-one is going to nominate a player who is losing love and one in the latter stages of slams for POY.they are chosen by players and I suspect Serena is not Miss Congeniality in the locker room;)

Donny
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:31 PM
Well, who WAS the best player of the year? No slam winner had a standout season. Jelena didn't have a standout season. Safina didn't have standout season. There were 6 slam finalists that year, four different winners, two of whom also reached an additional final, and neither of those women put together a #1 quality season. There was literally no perfect choice. I can't think of anyone who has an unimpeachable case to be POY for 2008 over Jelena. She had a HUGE points lead on the rest of the field by the end of the year. Who was the best?

The slam winner with the best results outside their slam wins. I'd argue it'd be either Ivanovic (who made the AO final) or Serena, who made the Wimbledon final, as well as winning Miami.

sharapovarulz1
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:18 PM
they are chosen by players and I suspect Serena is not Miss Congeniality in the locker room;)

From what Ive heard I reckon she is a right blast in the locker room and out! :D

ZODIAC
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:49 PM
The slam winner with the best results outside their slam wins. I'd argue it'd be either Ivanovic (who made the AO final) or Serena, who made the Wimbledon final, as well as winning Miami.ivanovic has been a total disaster all year and last year,she should be voted the worst of former no.1s and take jj with her:rolleyes:

Yonexforever
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:26 PM
I could have sworn when i was a Junior in the 80s when Tennis Magazine was considered the source. Their January issue was always a HUGE issue with top ten rankings by surface and and overall number 1.
It was decided on by editors i would presume.
It would also have all the GS winners historically as well in the middle of the magazine.
I kinda liked the idea of EXPERTS picking the year end No 1 AFTER the year was over and based on play and results weighted more to the GS tounrnaments.
I think it prevents all the silly talk at the YEC about who will be number 1 based on how they do at that particular tournament.

Yonexforever
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Besides I have ALWAYS thought anyone who wins 2 GS of the slams and if the other 2 get split then its obvious who the number 1 player for the year should be.
These rinky dink tour events NO ONE ever remembers anyway years from now.
Think im wrong.. who won the Avon Detroit tournament in 1981?
OK
No who won the GS's in 81?
Im sure you cna think of at least 1 GS winner that year.. errr try the French!

Miss Atomic Bomb
Nov 11th, 2009, 09:59 AM
It should go to Serena.

Six Feet Under
Nov 11th, 2009, 10:16 AM
I still think Dinara, despite a end season break down.

Lucemferre
Nov 11th, 2009, 10:19 AM
I still think Dinara, despite a end season break down.

:help:

Hardiansf
Nov 11th, 2009, 10:22 AM
I still think Dinara, despite a end season break down.
:tape:
It must be Serena. No other nominees

Bobisa
Nov 11th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Serena is the most successful this year, Wozniacki is pretty advanced, Kim was the biggest surprise,but for me, JJ is player of the year because she managed to stay in top 10 despite the many problems with health and family problems...

Fantasy Hero
Nov 11th, 2009, 10:55 AM
i must chose between Nicole and Ana :confused:









:rolls:

ElusiveChanteuse
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:57 AM
I still think Dinara, despite a end season break down.

Oh, and winning titles in Rome and Madrid.:haha:

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 11th, 2009, 12:17 PM
I still think Dinara, despite a end season break down.

this HAS to be sarcasm :tape:

Olórin
Nov 11th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Serena.

Ballbasher
Nov 11th, 2009, 12:46 PM
Go for it, Sveta! :rolls:
No seriously this is Serena's.

Dave.
Nov 11th, 2009, 12:51 PM
Serena, the number one player. In a year where nobody won more than 3 titles it's pretty straightforward given Serena's are 2 GS + YEC.

AndreConrad
Nov 11th, 2009, 01:07 PM
I think it is Serena's which would be easily challenegd if Dinara would not break down in the end... it was in her hands.
On the other hand while I agree that Serena is the player of the year I think that the year 2009 is the year of Caroline. She won a lot this year and as a result made a huge advance in rankings!
Kim made the flashiest return.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Nov 11th, 2009, 01:22 PM
I think it is Serena's which would be easily challenegd if Dinara would not break down in the end... it was in her hands.
On the other hand while I agree that Serena is the player of the year I think that the year 2009 is the year of Caroline. She won a lot this year and as a result made a huge advance in rankings!
Kim made the flashiest return.

How is Caro wining 3 tournaments this year (Eastbourne/Ponte Vedra Beach and New Haven) 'a lot' as compared to Serena's titles (Australian Open/Wimbledon and YEC)?

If you are talking about just winning matches, then Serena's win-loss (80.6 %) >>> Caro's win-loss record (73.6 %). Serena also has a lot more top 10 wins.

So dont say Caro deserves it because she won a lot, just say that you hate Serena and are therefore biased.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 11th, 2009, 01:22 PM
but dinara broke down EVERYwhere, except clay, not just the end :lol:

Paris - Miami she sucked

won Rome and Madrid but still managed to NOT play tennis in the RG final

really shouldn't have made the wimbledon sf (but everyone choked :o) and got brutalised in the end

and the last final was the cincy final....where she got man-handled by GOAT-jj

AndreConrad
Nov 11th, 2009, 01:28 PM
How is Caro wining 3 tournaments this year (Eastbourne/Ponte Vedra Beach and New Haven) 'a lot' as compared to Serena's titles (Australian Open/Wimbledon and YEC)?

If you are talking about just winning matches, then Serena's win-loss (80.6 %) >>> Caro's win-loss record (73.6 %). Serena also has a lot more top 10 wins.

So dont say Caro deserves it because she won a lot, just say that you hate Serena and are therefore biased.
I did not say Caroline deserves to be the player of the year... I said
1. Serena is the playear of the year 2009
2. The year 2009 is the year of Caroline
Think about the difference ;)

PS I am not biased; I am not fan of Caroline, at least not more than I am of Serena

ZODIAC
Nov 11th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Serena is the most successful this year, Wozniacki is pretty advanced, Kim was the biggest surprise,but for me, JJ is player of the year because she managed to stay in top 10 despite the many problems with health and family problems...what family problems...Sneka is always there chugging on the water:rolleyes:her grandma died of old age...a lot of players face worse situations but still do well.:pyou mean she failed to live up to the no.1 ranking and failed to reach a qtr final of all 4 big events...JJ is absolutely no candidate for POY

thegreendestiny
Nov 11th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Serena is clearly the POY (Player of the Year) :rolleyes:
Caroline is also POY (...only that it's Pusher of the Year):wavey:

But I think Radwanska should also be a contender to be the POY. How on earth could someone be in the top 10 without winning any titles or even a GS SF in one season. :confused:

Donny
Nov 11th, 2009, 06:00 PM
I still think Dinara, despite a end season break down.

lolwut

Matt01
Nov 11th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Serena is the player of the year.

With 4 losses in a row and with only 3 tournament wins a very weak player of the year.

Vanity Bonfire
Nov 11th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Nobody deserves this. It has been such a poor year. No player has won more than three titles.

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 11th, 2009, 08:04 PM
what family problems...Sneka is always there chugging on the water:rolleyes:her grandma died of old age...a lot of players face worse situations but still do well.:pyou mean she failed to live up to the no.1 ranking and failed to reach a qtr final of all 4 big events...JJ is absolutely no candidate for POY

:weirdo: i don't even know what to say

AnomyBC
Nov 11th, 2009, 09:41 PM
My thoughts:

Player of the Year: Serena :shrug:
Breakthrough Player of the Year: Caro :inlove:
Comeback Player of the Year: Clijsters :worship:

Serena was the best overall but I think this year will definitely be remembered for Caro and Clijsters more than anything else.

Nina.
Nov 11th, 2009, 10:04 PM
Serena had some bad losses this year but 2 Grand Slams + YEC + year end no. 1 = clear player of the year!

Lucemferre
Nov 11th, 2009, 10:13 PM
Serena is the player of the year.

With 4 losses in a row and with only 3 tournament wins a very weak player of the year.

Those 3 tournaments were Australian Open, Wimbledon and YEC.Plus she's year end number 1. Basically the same as henin 2007 :lol:

Matt01
Nov 11th, 2009, 10:55 PM
Those 3 tournaments were Australian Open, Wimbledon and YEC.Plus she's year end number 1. Basically the same as henin 2007 :lol:


You are seriously comparing Henin's 2007 with Serena's 2009?

I already knew that you're deluded but I didn't know that you are THAT deluded :lol:

kris719
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:01 PM
Serena, as much as it pains me to say it.

honorable mention to Caro.

Lucemferre
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:06 PM
You are seriously comparing Henin's 2007 with Serena's 2009?

I already knew that you're deluded but I didn't know that you are THAT deluded :lol:

Why not? Nobody will remember what tier twos justin won in 2007 :lol: When you look at the big ones they are equal.

Matt01
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:15 PM
Why not? Nobody will remember what tier twos justin won in 2007 :lol: When you look at the big ones they are equal.


Maybe you eliminated it already from your memory but Justine won several tier ones in 2007 and now I suggest you go away you sad little troll :lol:

Lucemferre
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:19 PM
Maybe you eliminated it already from your memory but Justine won several tier ones in 2007 and now I suggest you go away you sad little troll :lol:

It must have surprised you to realize justin's 2007 is not as great as you first though. Serena's 'lousy' 2009 is just as good at the major level :lol:

Matt01
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:25 PM
It must have surprised you to realize justin's 2007 is not as great as you first though. Serena's 'lousy' 2009 is just as good at the major level :lol:


Justine won 2 out of 3 Slams. Serena won 2 out of 4. Hmmmm....which is better?

Lucemferre
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:28 PM
Justine won 2 out of 3 Slams. Serena won 2 out of 4. Hmmmm....which is better?

W QF W SF is better than - W SF W

:lol:

Matt01
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:32 PM
W QF W SF is better than - W SF W

:lol:


10 tournament wins or 3 tournament wins...which is better? :lol:

Elegante
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:34 PM
:lol:

Lucemferre
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:35 PM
10 tournament wins or 3 tournament wins...which is better? :lol:

I said at the major level. Point is stop degrading Serena's 2009. It's been a great season. 2 majors, yec and year end number one.

Matt01
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:41 PM
I said at the major level. Point is stop degrading Serena's 2009. It's been a great season. 2 majors, yec and year end number one.


I agree, it was a great season for her. Highlight was definately the semi-final of the US Open :lol:

Galsen
Nov 11th, 2009, 11:44 PM
I agree, it was a great season for her. Highlight was definately the semi-final of the US Open :lol:

and it's supposed to be funny?

kris719
Nov 12th, 2009, 12:21 AM
and it's supposed to be funny?

hell yeah it was funny :lol:

spencercarlos
Nov 12th, 2009, 05:41 AM
10 tournament wins or 3 tournament wins...which is better? :lol:
Don´t even dare to bring the year end win-loss record, which was an amazing display of domination from Justine in 2007.

Still Serena was just too good at the big events and she closed the year in style at the YEC going undefeated there. Going against pure top ten players, and giving Venus two defeats in the same event :devil: :kiss: that must be a record for all time on the women :p

Caralenko
Nov 12th, 2009, 05:49 AM
Serena. She finally made the H2H with Venus convincingly lopsided :sobbing: Twice in the same event. Ouch.

spencercarlos
Nov 12th, 2009, 05:56 AM
I said at the major level. Point is stop degrading Serena's 2009. It's been a great season. 2 majors, yec and year end number one.
I just realized something that Safina did twice this year and Serena did not was to win any event this year as number one.
It´s very interesting and hard to believe, despite the 2 GS and the YEC title for Serena was not number one the week when she won those titles. :eek:

Shi Feng
Nov 12th, 2009, 07:02 AM
Definitely Serena!

The Witch-king
Nov 12th, 2009, 12:32 PM
I just realized something that Safina did twice this year and Serena did not was to win any event this year as number one.
It´s very interesting and hard to believe, despite the 2 GS and the YEC title for Serena was not number one the week when she won those titles. :eek:

i just realised that Safina never won a single tournament to become number one. She merely benefited from Serena losing points from last year. Whereas Serena won TWO tournaments to become number one.