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moby
Jul 7th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Following the Xinjiang riots. Apparently Google services have previously been blocked. Probably trying to prevent the citizen activism a la Iran, but as usual, reticence is going to backfire on China. I'm interested to hear from the resident Chinese posters in particular - this forum should still be accessible, I hope.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/07/AR2009070701162.html

Following last weekend's deadly riots (http://abcnews.go.com/International/comments?type=story&id=8010018) in its western region of Xinjiang, China?s central government has taken all the usual steps to block citizens from accessing foreign web services: aside from crippling Internet service in general, the authorities have blocked Twitter, removed unapproved references to the violence from search engines and has now apparently moved to bar its citizens from accessing Facebook (http://www.web2asia.com/2009/07/07/first-twitter-now-facebook-banned-in-china//) from most parts of China Mainland just now. Two weeks ago, the government had already blocked just about every Google service (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/24/censorship-20-china-blocks-google-search-apps-gmail-and-more/), including communication tools like Gmai l, Google Apps and Google Talk.

Web2Asia's George Godula writes:
"As of today 8pm Chinese time Facebook seems not to be accessible from most parts of China Mainland anymore. On the China Telecom connection of our Shanghai office the service vanished at around 7:45pm. Friends in Hong Kong are reporting that they can still access the website."

A quick test on WebsitePulse (http://www.websitepulse.com/help/testtools.china-test.html) confirms the blocking of Twitter and YouTube (which have been restricted for a while (http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/06/02/china-shuts-down-twitter-and-bing-in-lead-up-to-tiananmen-anniversary/)) and now Facebook too, at least in some parts of the country.

swissmr
Jul 7th, 2009, 08:34 PM
That's ridiculous, but not really suprising.

drake3781
Jul 7th, 2009, 10:15 PM
What I get from the Chinese posters here is that they support their government's censorship - say they do just fine without Youtube for example. :shrug:

And that "Western media" is biased so cannot be believed. Take CNN for example - news it provides is worthless because it is biased.

And that their government doesn't do things and even it if did, the US for example, is worse.

And they don't seem to fear that access to a forum like this could disappear one day, but I don't know why - we discuss many things openly here. The government did an excellent job crushing the spark of activism that rose 20 years ago.

You will now find many young Chinese who support their government's actions in Tianamen Square 20 years ago, where thousands were killed and many thousands injured, saying that the protestors were doing some thing illegal.



Censored Searches on Google china

democracy
rights
human
human rights
army
mao zedong
what google censors
tiananmen
freedom
chinese firewall
chinese filters
tank man

this is before google itself being blocked.

woosey
Jul 7th, 2009, 10:39 PM
as much as i chide the chinese posters for trying to spreading their government's lies and propaganda, i also know that it's possible they think their stuff could be monitored.

i just think it's laughable how some talk about how there are no problems that exist between the han majority and the ethnic minorities. and then when you point out problems, they say westerners, especially americans, can't understand china. :rolleyes:

i'm not shocked they'd block facebook and twitter. lol. they were watching that iran situation real closely.

Noctis
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:30 PM
:rolleyes:

woosey
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:34 PM
:rolleyes:


lol. :rolleyes: same to you.

what do you think about the rioting?

accusations of rape?
accusations by minority groups saying they can't preserve their culture/language?

why don't you speak to the issues?

we in the west are so ignorant and too stupid to understand anything. enlighten us.

mure
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:46 PM
i think you missed the part where those Ungaris or whatever they're called went on the streets and started killin any han chinese they found in front of them..

woosey
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:54 PM
i think you missed the part where those Ungaris or whatever they're called went on the streets and started killin any han chinese they found in front of them..

i didn't miss anything. if you're addressing me.

i think they're killin them or whatever because they're tired of being oppressed or being excluded, etc. that's what normally happens when very oppressed people get pissed. they explode. same all over the world.

the point is, they obviously see the han as a conquering people and themselves as the conquered. in that type of world, if you're a han, you're the enemy and a tool of the government which is oppressing them.

Lin Lin
Jul 8th, 2009, 12:24 AM
What I get from the Chinese posters here is that they support their government's censorship - say they do just fine without Youtube for example. :shrug:

And that "Western media" is biased so cannot be believed. Take CNN for example - news it provides is worthless because it is biased.

And that their government doesn't do things and even it if did, the US for example, is worse.

And they don't seem to fear that access to a forum like this could disappear one day, but I don't know why - we discuss many things openly here. The government did an excellent job crushing the spark of activism that rose 20 years ago.

You will now find many young Chinese who support their government's actions in Tianamen Square 20 years ago, where thousands were killed and many thousands injured, saying that the protestors were doing some thing illegal.



Censored Searches on Google china

democracy
rights
human
human rights
army
mao zedong
what google censors
tiananmen
freedom
chinese firewall
chinese filters
tank man

this is before google itself being blocked.



OMG,you are so much retarded I have to say:tape:

njnetswill
Jul 8th, 2009, 12:38 AM
The censorship is not surprising. When I was in China I wanted to follow that trashy CBS show "Big Brother" and I couldn't even google search it. :bigcry: (True story)

People of my parents' generation (people who lived through the Cultural Revolution) are very patriotic but seem quite open to criticizing the government, especially if it is about corruption, the health care system, the education system, and similar topics. For the most part they acknowledge China's weaknesses and how some other countries have dealt with the problems in better ways. In contrast, the younger people I talked to, people in their 20s right now, were very adamant that "the rest of the world does not understand China". All in all I found younger people to be more defensive, even those who went to highly reputable schools like Peking University. So I kind of understand what drake3781 was posting about. They don't see what is wrong with youtube being blocked since they can get everything they want from sites like Tudou and Youku. More and more young people in China grew up comfortably as single children and do not see China as anything but equal if not superior to the West. The whole mindset is very different from how the West was viewed a generation ago.

drake3781
Jul 8th, 2009, 02:49 AM
OMG,you are so much retarded I have to say:tape:

:tape:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 8th, 2009, 04:53 AM
OMG,you are so much retarded I have to say:tape:
Deep.

I supposed that Westerners who have actually lived in China and say the same things as Western media, also don't know what they are talking about.

/bored

Pasta-Na
Jul 8th, 2009, 04:59 AM
What I get from the Chinese posters here is that they support their government's censorship - say they do just fine without Youtube for example. :shrug:

And that "Western media" is biased so cannot be believed. Take CNN for example - news it provides is worthless because it is biased.

And that their government doesn't do things and even it if did, the US for example, is worse.

And they don't seem to fear that access to a forum like this could disappear one day, but I don't know why - we discuss many things openly here. The government did an excellent job crushing the spark of activism that rose 20 years ago.

You will now find many young Chinese who support their government's actions in Tianamen Square 20 years ago, where thousands were killed and many thousands injured, saying that the protestors were doing some thing illegal.



Censored Searches on Google china

democracy
rights
human
human rights
army
mao zedong
what google censors
tiananmen
freedom
chinese firewall
chinese filters
tank man

this is before google itself being blocked.

u missed one, and "drakex". :yawn:

Pasta-Na
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:00 AM
Deep.

I supposed that Westerners who have actually lived in China and say the same things as Western media, also don't know what they are talking about.

/bored

time to change ur diaper. :wavey:

drake3781
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:03 AM
u missed one, and "drakex". :yawn:



time to change ur diaper.


Quoted, just so you cannot ever delete these posts which more than adequately bring to life my point.

Pasta-Na
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:06 AM
Quoted, just so you cannot ever delete these posts which more than adequately bring to life my point.

glad u didnt say "light up my life". :spit: :yawn:

canuckfan
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:25 AM
Basically the chinese posters just proved drake3781's point by rolling their eyes and calling him retarded :lol:

Now could someone from China explain to us why it's okay for your government to sensor the Internet? Because it's a concept we don't really understand here...

Ksenia.
Jul 8th, 2009, 06:17 AM
^ yeah, I curious, too... no offence :shrug:

Noctis
Jul 8th, 2009, 06:39 AM
lol. :rolleyes: same to you.

what do you think about the rioting?

accusations of rape?
accusations by minority groups saying they can't preserve their culture/language?

why don't you speak to the issues?

we in the west are so ignorant and too stupid to understand anything. enlighten us.

People Who are not Chinese wil notl understand.The Real life there.
I am rolling my eyes at the thread starter actually.Since it's gunna start another china Blablabla crap
Disscussing the issue would be pointless if your not in China

I'll edit the post later of what I did later. Need to go

moby
Jul 8th, 2009, 07:27 AM
People Who are not Chinese wil notl understand.The Real life there.
I am rolling my eyes at the thread starter actually.Since it's gunna start another china Blablabla crap
Disscussing the issue would be pointless if your not in China

I'll edit the post later of what I did later. Need to goOK. Let's hear it from you. I'm genuinely interested in what the Chinese posters think. If there is any China "bashing" (if that's your preferred term for criticism), then it is not initiated by me, but by the Chinese government's actions. I have at several times in my posting history come down against the Western media's one-sided portrayal of China, but this is not to say that the Chinese media's micromanagement is applaudable.

Discussing the issue is not pointless for those not in China... in fact, it is discussion that allows for the truth to emerge. You may have a valid alternative take on the situation that the rest of us are not aware of. What is the "real life" in China?

I'm also very bemused by your strong identification of China with the the Chinese government. Even if we were to criticise the government in this thread, it does not mean we're attacking the country and its culture (except perhaps for the populace's undying subservience to authority? This is my presumption, and I gladly stand to be corrected.) One can love the country and hate the government - my sense is that many such people exist all over the world.

InsideOut.
Jul 8th, 2009, 07:36 AM
Basically the chinese posters just proved drake3781's point by rolling their eyes and calling him retarded :lol:

Now could someone from China explain to us why it's okay for your government to sensor the Internet? Because it's a concept we don't really understand here...

My two cents: It all comes down to pride, both as part of a nation and as an individual. The truth is that for a very long time China was oppressed by Western powers, leading to a resentment of Western political influence that has been inherited by the new generation. A resentment that has continued with much help from censorship in the Mainland. People can access more information than ever before, but the scope remains the same. Everything has to be filtered and state-approved unless you have ties with officials. Chinese posters may get overtly defensive when it comes to China-related issues simply of this streak of pride and the somewhat radical belief that China is the dragon rising again and the West is an opponent looking to hinder its progress. I do not believe them to be completely in the wrong. Many in the democratic West do have a tendency to jump all over human rights issues and brainwashing whenever the word 'China' pops up. Ultimately it's just a huge misunderstanding between people of continents fuelled by a lack of constructive communication.

I come from Hong Kong by the way. :)

pancake
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:06 AM
My two cents: It all comes down to pride, both as part of a nation and as an individual. The truth is that for a very long time China was oppressed by Western powers, leading to a resentment of Western political influence that has been inherited by the new generation. A resentment that has continued with much help from censorship in the Mainland. People can access more information than ever before, but the scope remains the same. Everything has to be filtered and state-approved unless you have ties with officials. Chinese posters may get overtly defensive when it comes to China-related issues simply of this streak of pride and the somewhat radical belief that China is the dragon rising again and the West is an opponent looking to hinder its progress. I do not believe them to be completely in the wrong. Many in the democratic West do have a tendency to jump all over human rights issues and brainwashing whenever the word 'China' pops up. Ultimately it's just a huge misunderstanding between people of continents fuelled by a lack of constructive communication.

I come from Hong Kong by the way. :)

Oh, same here, there are fewer and fewer HK posters I can find here nowadays.:o

KanSuke
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:16 AM
Are HK people also having the same problem, like blocking sites and all that?

InsideOut.
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:25 AM
Are HK people also having the same problem, like blocking sites and all that?

No. :p We have access to everything.

pancake
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:28 AM
Are HK people also having the same problem, like blocking sites and all that?

:spit: @ your name.

KanSuke
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:31 AM
Am I not innocent enough to have that name :rolleyes: :lol:

pancake
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:36 AM
Am I not innocent enough to have that name :rolleyes: :lol:

Have your picture as your avatar so we can judge:p.

KanSuke
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:38 AM
I did post some of my pictures before :lol:

Lin Lin
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:40 AM
You were only innocent before 5 years old:spit:

ElusiveChanteuse
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:19 AM
Please guys, go to chat thread to flirt, not here. :rolleyes:

Poor Chinese.:hug:

Markus
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:31 AM
Poor Chinese.:hug:
But according to some posts here the Chinese people don't feel poor at all. They are ok with restrictions made by the government. I have to agree with other posters that I don't understand this mentality and would really be interested to get more information why they are not annoyed by that.

KanSuke
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:36 AM
I think because that's where they live, they just have to deal with it. And instead of being negative, they are being positive :lol:

I'm not fond of Chinese government though.

ElusiveChanteuse
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:42 AM
I think because that's where they live, they just have to deal with it. And instead of being negative, they are being positive :lol:

I'm not fond of Chinese government though.

Of course you don't coz' you're from Taiwan.:p

ElusiveChanteuse
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:45 AM
Anyway, even though the Chinese might be fine with it, I guess the foreigners who are currently staying in China don't like this.:angel:

Noctis
Jul 8th, 2009, 10:52 AM
I am not fond it with it stricting and stuff,But I cant denie that sometimes China goverment does good things enough for china.
I Once wrote a letter for enviorment issue.Poor people in villages gets Much more money and brought motorbikes,it runs over my home village,The air is getting really bad,we had to do something.so We wrote and they did something :lol: Planted more trees,and limited Motorbikes.Its important to balance Poor and Rich.I dont want my villagers to lost their way of lives and dstroying their own home.

We really dont need facebook twitter youtube.We hardly uses them,We prefer QQ Zone,Youku,Zina,QQ MsN
Besides theres more night life for us in china.

Well if goverment do that would protect chinese and help with the stop of the riots were fine with it.
I feel safer in china maybe because its that strict :lol: We see it as protection of some sort.

We get higher educated percentage if they study.We get push harder.Gets better grades.
China may make restrictions,But as we get older,we see the beneifits of it and it doesnt affect our live much.
People might not like it,But you probaly wont understand until you become a chinese yourself.
When we are younger we were taught to pay respect to goverments and stuff,hold flag ceremonies wear red ties.We respect police officers risking our lives for us.and do they best
Probaly this make us umm i dont know more use to it :lol:
We play around go home eat have fun study fun study fun family time,So we really fine.Were really fine
Media then come and disrupt our lives with exggerations,if you run your country better.there wouldn't be goverment problem and problems of economic else where.I see some americans and british just slag off with studies then claim benefits from goverment.Well in China we dont have that so we Study or Work Hard,or end up in a sewer or begging on a street.We dont pay Slackers money just because they dont bother studying,we only help people in need.
I think we never result in violence if we didnt get violence from like the other side first.
I only beleive in budda as god,some influence of jesus maybe.But we dont want too many mix foreigners influences.Thats how i see it
But the riot we have no intention of starting violence,But Anti Goverment protest we see it as a act trying to overthrown China.And i really dont like it,dont like the violence either,but they started violence first and wont stop.We have no choice until we overpowered them and they stop and listen.Maybe we can do something,they way they started screaming and fight was not the right way,Maybe they feel angry,I guess theres always someone unhappy.Theres nothing to do but try and stop them.They would always hate the goverment,but until they learn doin more of this riots wont help.But just worse.We think the goverment cant do nothing to help them improve until they show us the reasons not blood

sd3300123
Jul 8th, 2009, 12:05 PM
I know there are many Chinese people in this forum.(if you play TT game,you'll find out)

And most of us want to discuss these issues with you,but our poor English.:o
So most of the time,we just see the thread and see what other people's opinion.

I think Jason expressed what most of Chinese would agree.We don't even know what twitter is.

I love youtube and I feel angry when it's banned.
But we also have youku,and we can still log onto facebook and youtube if you are clever enough to find the "software".:p

Ryan
Jul 8th, 2009, 12:18 PM
I am not fond it with it stricting and stuff,But I cant denie that sometimes China goverment does good things enough for china.
I Once wrote a letter for enviorment issue.Poor people in villages gets Much more money and brought motorbikes,it runs over my home village,The air is getting really bad,we had to do something.so We wrote and they did something :lol: Planted more trees,and limited Motorbikes.Its important to balance Poor and Rich.I dont want my villagers to lost their way of lives and dstroying their own home.

We really dont need facebook twitter youtube.We hardly uses them,We prefer QQ Zone,Youku,Zina,QQ MsN
Besides theres more night life for us in china.

Well if goverment do that would protect chinese and help with the stop of the riots were fine with it.
I feel safer in china maybe because its that strict :lol: We see it as protection of some sort.

We get higher educated percentage if they study.We get push harder.Gets better grades.
China may make restrictions,But as we get older,we see the beneifits of it and it doesnt affect our live much.
People might not like it,But you probaly wont understand until you become a chinese yourself.
When we are younger we were taught to pay respect to goverments and stuff,hold flag ceremonies wear red ties.We respect police officers risking our lives for us.and do they best
Probaly this make us umm i dont know more use to it :lol:
We play around go home eat have fun study fun study fun family time,So we really fine.Were really fine
Media then come and disrupt our lives with exggerations,if you run your country better.there wouldn't be goverment problem and problems of economic else where.I see some americans and british just slag off with studies then claim benefits from goverment.Well in China we dont have that so we Study or Work Hard,or end up in a sewer or begging on a street.We dont pay Slackers money just because they dont bother studying,we only help people in need.
I think we never result in violence if we didnt get violence from like the other side first.
I only beleive in budda as god,some influence of jesus maybe.But we dont want too many mix foreigners influences.Thats how i see it
But the riot we have no intention of starting violence,But Anti Goverment protest we see it as a act trying to overthrown China.And i really dont like it,dont like the violence either,but they started violence first and wont stop.We have no choice until we overpowered them and they stop and listen.Maybe we can do something,they way they started screaming and fight was not the right way,Maybe they feel angry,I guess theres always someone unhappy.Theres nothing to do but try and stop them.They would always hate the goverment,but until they learn doin more of this riots wont help.But just worse.We think the goverment cant do nothing to help them improve until they show us the reasons not blood


I hope I speak for everyone by saying thanks for trying to help us understand your perspective.

I think its unfortunate (but not surprising) that the Government has made people turn their backs on all the bad things they've done by doing some "good" things in an attempt to create balance. Of course governments aren't perfect and no country loves everything their government does, but at least in other places its not a crime to speak out against your government.

And the fact that this indoctrination is started at such a young age is the most unfortunate thing. How can we expect anyone in China to react to their government's flaws and mistakes, when they've been taught their entire lives to ignore these things, and that the outside world is an "enemy"? :(

Lin Lin
Jul 8th, 2009, 12:56 PM
I reallly don't know what Twitter is till now,really,maybe I will try to Baidu it tomorrow:spit:not interested at all actually:yawn:

Yarden
Jul 8th, 2009, 01:04 PM
I feel really sorry for all the Chinese :hug: Hope it will work out at the end...

Crazy Canuck
Jul 8th, 2009, 01:35 PM
My last post did nothing to contribute to the thread. I do that a lot. Anyway, serious point:

I frequently want to jump into threads like this and criticize some of the Chinese posters here, because they tend to act in a manner very similar to that of the resident wtaworld 12 year olds. I just really don't have much tolerance for stupidity, hence I respond in a condescending tone. However, with the Chinese posters, I try to practice tolerance. I often fail, but I try. I try to remember that in the case of the Chinese posters, their behaviour doesn't necessarily indicate that they're the immature, unintelligent, useless wastes of space that my knee-jerk reaction imagines them to be.

While it's difficult to accept that I can probably never have what I would qualify as an intelligent debate on many issues with these posters, I have to try to accept it. Insulting them for behaviour that is probably not really their fault is unproductive and merely serves to reinforce the Western stereotypes that many of them hold to be true.

Beat
Jul 8th, 2009, 01:46 PM
What I get from the Chinese posters here is that they support their government's censorship - say they do just fine without Youtube for example. :shrug:

that's not really surprising: whenever china gets under ever so slight political attack, posters get totally defensive. it's quite scary and strange.

Lin Lin
Jul 8th, 2009, 02:32 PM
so,how poor am I as a Chinese do you think,I'm also curious too?:confused:

Damn,my wireles internet service is so poor today:oMaybe I will write more to commnunicate with you westerners tomorrow.:)

drake3781
Jul 8th, 2009, 03:28 PM
I know there are many Chinese people in this forum.(if you play TT game,you'll find out)

And most of us want to discuss these issues with you,but our poor English.:o
So most of the time,we just see the thread and see what other people's opinion.

I think Jason expressed what most of Chinese would agree.We don't even know what twitter is.

I love youtube and I feel angry when it's banned.
But we also have youku,and we can still log onto facebook and youtube if you are clever enough to find the "software".:p


Thank you for this one sensible post from Chinese perspective. (Not dismissing those MeScream which was welcome, and the HK posters.)

You seem like somebody with whom anybody could have a constructive conversation.

PLEASE stay that way and don't let yourself go robotic like the others. That is actually very scary to me that people can lose their humanity in defense of ANYTHING!

Will chat more with you later, and/or hope others reply to you.

sd3300123
Jul 8th, 2009, 04:45 PM
Thank you for this one sensible post from Chinese perspective. (Not dismissing those MeScream which was welcome, and the HK posters.)

You seem like somebody with whom anybody could have a constructive conversation.

PLEASE stay that way and don't let yourself go robotic like the others. That is actually very scary to me that people can lose their humanity in defense of ANYTHING!

Will chat more with you later, and/or hope others reply to you.


There are many Chinese don't like the current government,but the fact is Chinese don't have the right to vote for their own president and choose the government they want.

So an ordinary citizen,like me or whoever is,can do nothing to change it.Our government and army are always united.

I think the only way to change this situation is a war between China and USA or whatever country can overthrow this government.But would this means world war 3?I think most people don't want it.

So as an ordinary citizen,if you don't like the country and have a lot money,you can immigrate to other countries.I think this explain why there are so many Chinese in USA or Canada or Euorpe.If you don't have the ability to do so,like me,just be a happy brainwashed Chinese.

Noctis
Jul 8th, 2009, 04:57 PM
There are many Chinese don't like the current government,but the fact is Chinese don't have the right to vote for their own president and choose the government they want.

So an ordinary citizen,like me or whoever is,can do nothing to change it.Our government and army are always united.

I think the only way to change this situation is a war between China and USA or whatever country can overthrow this government.But would this means world war 3?I think most people don't want it.

So as an ordinary citizen,if you don't like the country and have a lot money,you can immigrate to other countries.I think this explain why there are so many Chinese in USA or Canada or Euorpe.If you don't have the ability to do so,like me,just be a happy brainwashed Chinese.

:)

Apoleb
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:01 PM
But according to some posts here the Chinese people don't feel poor at all. They are ok with restrictions made by the government. I have to agree with other posters that I don't understand this mentality and would really be interested to get more information why they are not annoyed by that.

It's probably a different value system. Unlike in the West, the idea of social harmony can take precedence over individual freedoms. So morally, banning youtube and twitter isn't such a big deal if the outcome is more stability.

Lefty.
Jul 8th, 2009, 06:49 PM
Anyway, even though the Chinese might be fine with it, I guess the foreigners who are currently staying in China don't like this.:angel:

Yea, my friend there is currently suffering for a month without her youtube, facebook, and megaupload. :lol:

drake3781
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:36 PM
Yea, my friend there is currently suffering for a month without her youtube, facebook, and megaupload. :lol:


How about free access to news and information?

woosey
Jul 8th, 2009, 08:40 PM
their government is hoping they will become contented fat consumers, like us americans.

Kart
Jul 8th, 2009, 09:41 PM
I can't deny that, if the UK banned Facebook, I'd be more productive.

Lefty.
Jul 9th, 2009, 03:53 AM
How about free access to news and information?

My friend doesn't read the news much but so far for her the general news sites she visits are unblocked.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:16 AM
I refuse to teach in China because of the censorship. If China paid as much as Japan and Korea, I still wouldn't even consider working there. This is a pity, since the country has so much to offer.

Lin Lin
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:44 AM
I refuse to teach in China because of the censorship. If China paid as much as Japan and Korea, I still wouldn't even consider working there. This is a pity, since the country has so much to offer.

It sounds like China will lose something huge if you won't come here.LOL

Lin Lin
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:46 AM
Go wherever you want to go,who cares your coming or not?LOL,a joke as big as sky,LOL

barboza
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:47 AM
Shame on China.. really, how is this country going to be progressive?

barboza
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:52 AM
Go wherever you want to go,who cares your coming or not?LOL,a joke as big as sky,LOL

Umm.. too bad you have MySpace?

Lin Lin
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:52 AM
Shame on China.. really, how is this country going to be progressive?

Afraid,envious of rejuvenated China?:nerner:

when china was leading the world for thousands of years,where were you?:wavey:

so,being progressive or not can't be decided by you,it's all about China:nerner:

You pathetic.

Pasta-Na
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:54 AM
It sounds like China will loss something huge if you won't come here.LOL

:spit:

Lin Lin
Jul 9th, 2009, 05:54 AM
Umm.. too bad you have MySpace?

what is Myspace?:confused:

KanSuke
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:06 AM
Linlin you're way too defensive :weirdo:

Lin Lin
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:23 AM
it's okey,you call me "defensive" not "aggressive":lol:

I know what is China's problem and good,as well as CCP'S,we chinese people can solve these problems by our own,we don't need another man called Wangbama or Sabizy to tell us what to do and what not to do.

There is an old saying in China:sons and daughters won't never dislike their ugly mother.No matter China is good or bad ,it has 56 sons and daughters (56 ethnic groups),these sons and daughters will solve whatever problems the mother has and will make the mother progressive.We just don't need another man to point his fingers at us.:wavey:

Pasta-Na
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:25 AM
it's okey,you call me "defensive" not "aggressive":lol:

I know what is China's problem and good,as well as CCP'S,we chinese people can solve these problems by our own,we don't need another man called Wangbama or Sabizy to tell us what to do and what not to do.

There is an old saying in China:sons and daughters won't never dislike their ugly mother.No matter China is good or bad ,it has 56 sons and daughters (56 ethnic groups),these sons and daughters will solve whatever problems the mother has and will make the mother progressive.We just don't need another man to point his fingers at us.:wavey:

lmao. :lol:

InsideOut.
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:41 AM
Another thread with nationalist posters being overly defensive. Please. This is not a fairytale with big bad guys, ugly monsters and a whimpering princess.

Optima
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:43 AM
:spit: to some people.

Lin Lin
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:48 AM
Another thread with nationalist posters being overly defensive. Please. This is not a fairytale with big bad guys, ugly monsters and a whimpering princess.

:wavey:Be careful to use the word nationalist:wavey:

And long time no see:awww::hug:

Lin Lin
Jul 9th, 2009, 06:53 AM
As for the words "overly defensive",I also heard some one said China "overacted" after the mobs killed more than 150 civillians and injured 1000 more,I don't know what should be a medium act if we "overacted" over that.:rolleyes:

mariahdg
Jul 9th, 2009, 07:04 AM
Yea, my friend there is currently suffering for a month without her youtube, facebook, and megaupload. :lol:

megaupload same as Justin.tv restrict the IP from China mainland.

Use Firefox to access megaupload.

louisa.
Jul 9th, 2009, 07:25 AM
The censorship is not surprising. When I was in China I wanted to follow that trashy CBS show "Big Brother" and I couldn't even google search it. :bigcry: (True story)

People of my parents' generation (people who lived through the Cultural Revolution) are very patriotic but seem quite open to criticizing the government, especially if it is about corruption, the health care system, the education system, and similar topics. For the most part they acknowledge China's weaknesses and how some other countries have dealt with the problems in better ways. In contrast, the younger people I talked to, people in their 20s right now, were very adamant that "the rest of the world does not understand China". All in all I found younger people to be more defensive, even those who went to highly reputable schools like Peking University. So I kind of understand what drake3781 was posting about. They don't see what is wrong with youtube being blocked since they can get everything they want from sites like Tudou and Youku. More and more young people in China grew up comfortably as single children and do not see China as anything but equal if not superior to the West. The whole mindset is very different from how the West was viewed a generation ago.

I second this.
I had to do an oral last year on chinese culture for my end of year exam and chose to do it on the cultural revolution, focusing on the role mao ze dong played in it.
I must say, i had very insightful and eyeopening discussions with my mother and grandparents on this topic, and learnt so many things. They whole heartedly were able to accept the fact that the way it was handled was indeed wrong, even though the initial idea was genuinely meant to bring about a change for the greater good.
Also, I think there is a difference in opinion between generations because for those of the older generation, they have lived through the cultural revolution, and experienced first hand the destruction that occured when Mao imposed his form of "censorship" on the chinese people in those days. They saw the outcomes of not allowing the people to, well, basically think for themselves, suppressing them and force feeding them ideologies. We all know what happened after that, so naturally they would not want a repeat of it.
Not saying that what's happening in China now is anything like what happened in the days of Mao's reign, but maybe those that are aware of the circumstances are more cautious about what could happen if it were to continue. :shrug:

mariahdg
Jul 9th, 2009, 10:12 AM
i didn't miss anything. if you're addressing me.

i think they're killin them or whatever because they're tired of being oppressed or being excluded, etc. that's what normally happens when very oppressed people get pissed. they explode. same all over the world.

the point is, they obviously see the han as a conquering people and themselves as the conquered. in that type of world, if you're a han, you're the enemy and a tool of the government which is oppressing them.

A lot Uighurs open their door to help unacquainted Han chinese running on the street.

Amost all Uighurs shops closed with notices Renovating on the day before 5 Jul. all Uighurs children not to play on the streets.

The rioters attacked a sight spot that visitors must land. all people on the sightseeing buses were dragged out to beat.

some roads were mending, there's a lot breakstone, workers were stoned to death. they attacked every vehicle they saw. every han chinese they saw. ruined everything they passed through.

things getting worse and worse, Han chinese wanted to strike back. university students paraded through the Uighur communities, insufficient number of police force try to block them. some students not following the large units were beaten to death.

How sad to see everyone walking on streets holding wooden stick or metalic in the next days.

The Xinjiang's tourist industry was hitting hard this time.I wish they could recover soon. It's a beautiful place indeed. There are few bad guys everywhere, My friend told me at the end of the phonecall

mariahdg
Jul 9th, 2009, 11:02 AM
The censorship is not surprising. When I was in China I wanted to follow that trashy CBS show "Big Brother" and I couldn't even google search it. :bigcry: (True story)

People of my parents' generation (people who lived through the Cultural Revolution) are very patriotic but seem quite open to criticizing the government, especially if it is about corruption, the health care system, the education system, and similar topics. For the most part they acknowledge China's weaknesses and how some other countries have dealt with the problems in better ways. In contrast, the younger people I talked to, people in their 20s right now, were very adamant that "the rest of the world does not understand China". All in all I found younger people to be more defensive, even those who went to highly reputable schools like Peking University. So I kind of understand what drake3781 was posting about. They don't see what is wrong with youtube being blocked since they can get everything they want from sites like Tudou and Youku. More and more young people in China grew up comfortably as single children and do not see China as anything but equal if not superior to the West. The whole mindset is very different from how the West was viewed a generation ago.

if the problems just be doubling growth while the population were to double. That's amazing.

anyway, If there's no reform, how can we find out the trouble and put it right. *simple conclusion*

:secret:After 1989. there's a certain subject became a required of The national entrance examination for postgraduate. btw. lots of :cuckoo: in the reputable schools.

Noctis
Jul 9th, 2009, 03:45 PM
Execution Thats Why I love China sometimes
People who deserve to die.Died not living in a jail cell eating free food while the victims eating soil

Ciarán
Jul 9th, 2009, 03:53 PM
LMAO. The Chinese government is a joke. How long til they block WTAW?

drake3781
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:22 PM
I second this.
I had to do an oral last year on chinese culture for my end of year exam and chose to do it on the cultural revolution, focusing on the role mao ze dong played in it.
I must say, i had very insightful and eyeopening discussions with my mother and grandparents on this topic, and learnt so many things. They whole heartedly were able to accept the fact that the way it was handled was indeed wrong, even though the initial idea was genuinely meant to bring about a change for the greater good.
Also, I think there is a difference in opinion between generations because for those of the older generation, they have lived through the cultural revolution, and experienced first hand the destruction that occured when Mao imposed his form of "censorship" on the chinese people in those days. They saw the outcomes of not allowing the people to, well, basically think for themselves, suppressing them and force feeding them ideologies. We all know what happened after that, so naturally they would not want a repeat of it.
Not saying that what's happening in China now is anything like what happened in the days of Mao's reign, but maybe those that are aware of the circumstances are more cautious about what could happen if it were to continue. :shrug:


Another well-thought reply. Thank you.

Some of the replies in here are extremely :o - so childish it is actually shocking. :o :o:o

InsideOut.
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:24 PM
LMAO. The Chinese government is a joke. How long til they block WTAW?

Both Facebook and Twitter pose a possible political threat as, theoretically, a large group sharing a common ideology can converge on such websites. Suppose someone wants to hold a large-scale demonstration in Tiananmen Square and posts this on Facebook Events and invites everyone in a Facebook group, telling all those invited to invite whoever they can find. The Chinese government are right in thinking that this would make it easier for an opposition to impose its ideology on the Chinese population. Their blocking of Facebook and Twitter is politically motivated, and they have their reasons. I'm not saying they're correct.

Meanwhile, WTAW does not have any political implications. It would be pointless to block WTAW, given how it is exclusively in English, and how it has thousands of members posting about their fanatical idolization of tennis stars uninvolved in politics.

InsideOut.
Jul 9th, 2009, 04:27 PM
I refuse to teach in China because of the censorship. If China paid as much as Japan and Korea, I still wouldn't even consider working there. This is a pity, since the country has so much to offer.

You are very welcome in Hong Kong. :shrug: Freedom of speech is completely guaranteed here. We don't have censors. Just make sure not to cross the Shenzhen River.

barboza
Jul 9th, 2009, 10:09 PM
Afraid,envious of rejuvenated China?:nerner:

when china was leading the world for thousands of years,where were you?:wavey:

so,being progressive or not can't be decided by you,it's all about China:nerner:

You pathetic.

When china was leading. Notice the word was. Was. Was. How can I emphasize this more? And what is all about china? How does that link to being progressive? You make no sense.

I pity Chinese people who long for freedom in the media space. Truly think li na should just move to the us and let's not forget peng shuai

Noctis
Jul 9th, 2009, 10:32 PM
Freedom what's. Your definition

Ciarán
Jul 9th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Both Facebook and Twitter pose a possible political threat as, theoretically, a large group sharing a common ideology can converge on such websites. Suppose someone wants to hold a large-scale demonstration in Tiananmen Square and posts this on Facebook Events and invites everyone in a Facebook group, telling all those invited to invite whoever they can find. The Chinese government are right in thinking that this would make it easier for an opposition to impose its ideology on the Chinese population. Their blocking of Facebook and Twitter is politically motivated, and they have their reasons. I'm not saying they're correct.

Meanwhile, WTAW does not have any political implications. It would be pointless to block WTAW, given how it is exclusively in English, and how it has thousands of members posting about their fanatical idolization of tennis stars uninvolved in politics.

Well by blocking such things and being a dictatorship, the Chinese government is not calming the storm, if anything they are making it 10x worse and giving a reason to demonstrate.

I don't know what's more shocking; how restricted the Chinese people are or the fact they actually seem to support their governments' actions.

barboza
Jul 10th, 2009, 01:23 AM
Freedom what's. Your definition

Freedom in media space = no censorship

Read before you ask.

Pasta-Na
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:25 AM
Freedom in media space = no censorship

Read before you ask.

or fake reports. :rocker2:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:54 AM
It sounds like China will lose something huge if you won't come here.LOL

I'm a fabulous teacher, so yeah, actually. I'm also not the only teacher that wouldn't work there, though I'm sure that China will get by with the few who will.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 10th, 2009, 04:56 AM
You are very welcome in Hong Kong. :shrug: Freedom of speech is completely guaranteed here. We don't have censors. Just make sure not to cross the Shenzhen River.

Thanks for the advice. I hear good things about Hong Kong. Hopefully it stays that way. Regardless, I need several more years experience before I could get hired there, the jobs in Hong Kong tend to pay well and are very competitive.

InsideOut.
Jul 10th, 2009, 05:45 AM
Well by blocking such things and being a dictatorship, the Chinese government is not calming the storm, if anything they are making it 10x worse and giving a reason to demonstrate.

I don't know what's more shocking; how restricted the Chinese people are or the fact they actually seem to support their governments' actions.

Either they pretend to support the actions or they get hauled off for some form of punishment.

I don't think the Chinese government are calming the storm anyway...that's what they think. That they are preventing the storm. The truth is that ultimately it will all filter in somehow.

My post was intended to point out that the Chinese government is not a 'joke', as it had a solid reason to act as it did. It's not like they did it for fun...hardly a joke if you ask me.

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:15 AM
This might be my favorite thread of all time on this site.

Thanks to all of the Chinese posters who've taken the time to try and explain the cultural/political dynamics as they see it. It's been extremely enlightening for me. Needless to say I don't agree with most of the ultra-nationalist points of view. But in that, I am somewhat of a typical American. We are nationalist most often upon eminent threat. Outside of that, we're pretty critical- if not out right suspicious- of government.

The fundamental difference (and why I think it's difficult for some of the Chinese posters to appreciate a western mindset and vice-versa) is in our disparate views of government. I think this quote expresses it nicely.

There is an old saying in China:sons and daughters won't never dislike their ugly mother.

This was very profound for me because it conjures government in the image of a Mother and the citizens as children. :eek: . The very idea of that is utterly anathema to an American. It is the stuff revolutions are made of. We don't want to feel like "oh let the government handle it. As long as they take care of ME, it'll be alright. In America, there is such a thing as a "healthy" suspicion of government.

There is a line in Shakespeare's "Coriolanus" that goes, "What is the Government but the PEOPLE."

In the west, anything that would inhibit or put limits on the individuals sense of self determination is wrong and unhealthy.

mandy7
Jul 10th, 2009, 06:17 AM
Some of the replies in here are extremely :o - so childish it is actually shocking. :o :o:o
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
In another thread I got called mango cause it looks like mandy :lol:
All i did was ask what a certain poster meant though,
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=384621
check it out

drake3781
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:22 PM
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
In another thread I got called mango cause it looks like mandy :lol:
All i did was ask what a certain poster meant though,
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=384621
check it out

Yes this person is a complete :weirdo: and I've ignored him for a long time - never does answer a question or speak to you directly, and name-calls for fun. You handled it perfectly.

Noctis
Jul 10th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
In another thread I got called mango cause it looks like mandy :lol:
All i did was ask what a certain poster meant though,
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=384621
check it out

Mariah suffers Sexuality brain issues.please bare in mind.
We try to treat him as a 33 year old child in the chinese chat thread.
he speaks jiblish but forgive him :awww:

olivero
Jul 10th, 2009, 11:04 PM
Some of the responses from Chinese posters are just :weirdo: And it really reminds me of propaganda in communist Poland before '89. It's honestly the same old sh*t about respecting your goverment (no matter what), evil West who wants to come and ruin our country, supposedly equal living conditions for everyone. The only difference is that in Central-Eastern Europe countries economy was just disastrous whereas in China it's doing pretty well, maybe that's why citizens there seem not to pay attention to all those 'freedom issues'. If they have comfort live why change anything?

But I agree with this post

There are many Chinese don't like the current government,but the fact is Chinese don't have the right to vote for their own president and choose the government they want.

So an ordinary citizen,like me or whoever is,can do nothing to change it.Our government and army are always united.

I think the only way to change this situation is a war between China and USA or whatever country can overthrow this government.But would this means world war 3?I think most people don't want it.

So as an ordinary citizen,if you don't like the country and have a lot money,you can immigrate to other countries.I think this explain why there are so many Chinese in USA or Canada or Euorpe.If you don't have the ability to do so,like me,just be a happy brainwashed Chinese.

It's scary but it seems true, specially if you think about what happened at Tiananmen or with Tibetan protests not so long ago.

Noctis
Jul 10th, 2009, 11:11 PM
Censorship of sites may benefit,Chinese students faking they Stories begging on streets for money to go to internet cafes.playing games goes on chat sites such as twitter which is affecting education :o

moby
Jul 10th, 2009, 11:34 PM
Censorship of sites may benefit,Chinese students faking they Stories begging on streets for money to go to internet cafes.playing games goes on chat sites such as twitter which is affecting education :oSolving the root of the problem, and not the symptoms is the best way to resolve this conflict. IMO, the desire to learn should come from a genuine place. And come-on, you mean to say there are no Chinese chat and game sites? :lol:

The censorship situation stands out to me, because it's blatantly not an attempt to promote social harmony via "Asian values" by preventing gatherings (and possible uprisings). As posters have pointed out, tudou, youku, and xiaonei (the Chinese equivalent to youtube and Facebook) are still in operation, so it's clear that the point of the ban is to make it more difficult to disseminate information to foreigners outside China. In other words, it's a lame and doomed attempt at saving "face" for the Chinese government, which only makes them look guiltier. Within China itself, it seems like the defanged populace no longer has the will or even intent to oppose.

Thank you to posters who pointed out the activism from days of yore as opposed to the apathetic (or rather blindly "loyal") youths today. From my limited interactions with PRC nationals, this is my sense too.

barboza
Jul 10th, 2009, 11:51 PM
Censorship of sites may benefit,Chinese students faking they Stories begging on streets for money to go to internet cafes.playing games goes on chat sites such as twitter which is affecting education :o

What :confused:

And just because you are using twitter doesn't mean your education is affected. :o

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:02 AM
going back to china on monday
i'll take Pictures of students wearing school uniforms.Who would rather beg on the street for money to go on secret hideouts to acess to interent for gaming or chat (twitter) (i'll been into one,All students there would get out of school and not studying.police would had to come and drag them out)

Dont fall for frauds :wavey:
Holding up a piece of card saying how they are homeless and stuff
then turnaround they have clean clothes and have your money .

trust me i am in china for 3/4 of my life i would know.

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:06 AM
Internet net cafe would make loads of money.
But we play on games not twitter most of the times.

http://www.state.gov/cms_images/2006_0214_china_600.jpg

barboza
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:06 AM
There are plenty of students who pretend to be poor in order to get money anywhere. You haven't proved my point as to why media censorship is a benefit for the Chinese society. If anything, they need to be educated and open up to the world to get a worldly perspective of things.

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:07 AM
Censorship of sites may benefit,Chinese students faking they Stories begging on streets for money to go to internet cafes.playing games goes on chat sites such as twitter which is affecting education :o

Are you serious???
So happened if you not a students or you are on retirement.

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:16 AM
Either they pretend to support the actions or they get hauled off for some form of punishment.

I don't think the Chinese government are calming the storm anyway...that's what they think. That they are preventing the storm. The truth is that ultimately it will all filter in somehow.

My post was intended to point out that the Chinese government is not a 'joke', as it had a solid reason to act as it did. It's not like they did it for fun...hardly a joke if you ask me.

It gets worse :help:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:21 AM
Internet net cafe would make loads of money.
But we play on games not twitter most of the times.

http://www.state.gov/cms_images/2006_0214_china_600.jpg

the owner of this internet cafe, should get LCD monitors. :p

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:23 AM
Mariah suffers Sexuality brain issues.please bare in mind.
We try to treat him as a 33 year old child in the chinese chat thread.
he speaks jiblish but forgive him :awww:

mariah claimed himself/herself a girl, though. :o

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:25 AM
No one was downloading "many many kind" stuff in the pic like DirtyNa:spit:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:26 AM
No one was downloading "many many kind" stuff in the pic like DirtyNa:spit:

say it louder pls. :rolleyes:

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:45 AM
There are plenty of students who pretend to be poor in order to get money anywhere. You haven't proved my point as to why media censorship is a benefit for the Chinese society. If anything, they need to be educated and open up to the world to get a worldly perspective of things.

Foreigners will always have different views.
we the one who live under the goverment hasnt complain.
Media cencorship isnt affecting our lifes.For all I know
But if it does affect our lifes we rather not know.
At the end of the day,the goverment is trying to protect us the people,We dont see wrong of that.They dont strict how many food we suppose to eat,what time we can go out or when we have sex,what job we do.

GET THIS 'WE JUST WANT A NORMAL LIFE'
STUDY
FUN
SOCIAL
WORK
FAMILY

UNLESS YOU SHOW A BENEFIT OF MEDIA ON CHINA.
THINGS WONT CHANGE.

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:48 AM
Foreigners will always have different views.
we the one who live under the goverment hasnt complain.
Media cencorship isnt affecting our lifes.For all I know
But if it does affect our lifes we rather not know.
At the end of the day,the goverment is trying to protect us the people,We dont see wrong of that.They dont strict how many food we suppose to eat,what time we can go out or when we have sex,what job we do.

GET THIS 'WE JUST WANT A NORMAL LIFE'
STUDY
FUN
SOCIAL
WORK
FAMILY

UNLESS YOU SHOW A BENEFIT OF MEDIA ON CHINA.
THINGS WONT CHANGE.

Restricted.

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:16 AM
Non Sense
Family We just pay for an extra baby since growing population
Fun twitter and facebook not counted.We had loads of fun night lifes
Social Msn QQ Zone Phone! ask half of the population they don't know what twitted or Facebook is

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:21 AM
This is the funniest thing,I even don't know what is Twitter or something,just like Westerners don't know what is QQ,but they repeatedly say China bans Twitter or something,it's just:help::yawn:annoying:yawn:

It's like if QQ is baned in the western world,how many people will know that?Lol,really,who cares,Lol

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:30 AM
This is the funniest thing,I even don't know what is Twitter or something,just like Westerners don't know what is QQ,but they repeatedly say China bans Twitter or something,it's just:help::yawn:annoying:yawn:

It's like if QQ is baned in the western world,how many people will know that?Lol,really,who cares,Lol

well, who own twitters and facebook? ;)

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:31 AM
who knows,not interested at all:yawn:I reckon Twitter is something like QQ,Facebook is a website for people opening some blogs?:confused:

drake3781
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:45 AM
This has nothing to do with Twitter, but the fact that free flow of information is censored and access to some information is banned. Every person should have the right to learn anything and everything, including accurate information on historic events, free and open discussions, and news of the world.

By restricting the flow of information, governments control their citizens and limit their lives' potential.

This is a very basic concept in human rights, and it is disturbing that many don't seem to grasp it.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:53 AM
How about only hand-picked/distorted/exaggerated information flows in media?:yawn:

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:00 AM
LMAO. Please, enlighten us all and tell us why you support your freedom being restricted & dictated.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:02 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE56957D20090710

Look at this, has Turkish PM tried to check who were killed by these mobs before saying these?I have to say some western media's propaganda about China finally makes a huge progress in Turkey:help:

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:04 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE56957D20090710

Look at this, has Turkish PM tried to check who were killed by these mobs before saying these?I have to say some western media's propaganda about China finally makes a huge progress in Turkey:help:

Well then Turkey is fucking crazy. Dont talk about Western media :lol: The Chinese government poisons your mind from a young age, which is why you find it acceptable, I guess.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:10 AM
LMAO. Please, enlighten us all and tell us why you support your freedom being restricted & dictated.

The only reason why you don't understand is that you believe your media is free and democratic,but it's not sometimes,especially when it comes to China.It's full of propaganda of how bad/repressive/harsh china is with hand-picked/distorted/exaggerated information.Sometimes you don't believe they are fake/distorted/hadn-pocked/exxaggerated because you firmly believe they are fair/free.so,please directly answer me,do you really believe what your media says?:)

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:12 AM
Not all of it. But a lot of the information is pretty solid.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:16 AM
Well then Turkey is fucking crazy. Dont talk about Western media :lol: The Chinese government poisons your mind from a young age, which is why you find it acceptable, I guess.

okey,Ciaran:hug:
It's okey if you still don't understand the situation.:hug:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:20 AM
Not all of it. But a lot of the information is pretty solid.

Nice to hear about what you have said:hug:As long as you refuse to believe what all of your media says,it's a huge progress for me from a westerner.:awww:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:22 AM
why my office blocks access to facebook and twitter?

why some parents have the "filter" software even their kids are over 18?

why that internet cafe (in australia) didnt allow me to watch youtube and many many kind when i was using internet there?

OMG! what a cruel world. :weirdo: :spit:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:26 AM
why my office blocks access to facebook and twitter?

why some parents have the "filter" software even their kids are over 18?

why that internet cafe (in australia) didnt allow me to watch youtube and many many kind when i was using internet there?

OMG! what a cruel world. :weirdo: :spit:

B!tch,you were downloading "many many kind" stuff in a public cafe,if I were the manager ,I would ban you from my cafe for life:help:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:30 AM
B!tch,you were downloading "many many kind" stuff in a public cafe,if I were the manager ,I would ban you from my cafe for life:help:

how about the free information flowing? or restricted my potential? :spit:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:34 AM
You were extremely thirsty and hungry at that moment?:unsure::spit:OMG,in a public cafe:help:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:36 AM
You were extremely thirsty and hungry at that moment?:unsure::spit:OMG,in a public cafe:help:

its in a room, not that public. :o

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:38 AM
but there were still some service boys or girls:help:

Lunch Time:wavey:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:43 AM
but there were still some service boys or girls:help:

Lunch Time:wavey:

no :o its different in australia, only one staff at the reception. :o

mariahdg
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:09 AM
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
In another thread I got called mango cause it looks like mandy :lol:
All i did was ask what a certain poster meant though,
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=384621
check it out

Yes this person is a complete :weirdo: and I've ignored him for a long time - never does answer a question or speak to you directly, and name-calls for fun. You handled it perfectly.

They two :tape: :couple:
Mariah suffers Sexuality brain issues.please bare in mind.
We try to treat him as a 33 year old child in the chinese chat thread.
he speaks jiblish but forgive him :awww:

and you said my age wrongly. give you a finger

mariahdg
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:27 AM
who knows,not interested at all:yawn:I reckon Twitter is something like QQ,Facebook is a website for people opening some blogs?:confused:
In short
Qq likes Icq.
Facebook likes QQzone.
Twitter likes facebook but hook up with mobile-phone operators, bind your cellphone number. you can update inform via SMS. plus support multiple widgets.

the day of banned twitter just after I did a little research about it. :lol:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:07 AM
Thanks mariahdg:kiss::lol:

canuckfan
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:07 AM
The only reason why you don't understand is that you believe your media is free and democratic,but it's not sometimes,especially when it comes to China.It's full of propaganda of how bad/repressive/harsh china is with hand-picked/distorted/exaggerated information.Sometimes you don't believe they are fake/distorted/hadn-pocked/exxaggerated because you firmly believe they are fair/free.so,please directly answer me,do you really believe what your media says?:)

Well at least we can access all the propaganda we want...

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:09 AM
We at least we can access all the propaganda we want...

Congrats:angel::bigclap:

woosey
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:39 AM
Congrats:angel::bigclap:


you are so childish.

and a perfect drone for chairman hu.:hatoff:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:44 AM
you are so childish.

and a perfect drone for chairman hu.:hatoff:

whatever:angel:;)

I don't want to say how ignorant/arrogant you are:hug:;)

woosey
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:50 AM
whatever:angel:;)

I don't want to say how ignorant/arrogant you are:hug:;)

the passive aggressive person in you just did.:rolleyes:

you're so not that clever.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:03 AM
you must be the cleverest people in the world:worship::hug:
It's okey if people think I am the stupidest people in the world:awww:If this makes other people more cleverer,I would like to be the one.:hug:

woosey
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:06 AM
you must be the cleverest people in the world:worship::hug:
It's okey if people think I am the stupidest people in the world:awww:If this makes other people more cleverer,I would like to be the one.:hug:

i didn't say you were the stupidest. and i didn't say i was cleverer.

i said you were childish and so not clever.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:11 AM
It's okey:hug:,my mom and sister also said I was not so clever:awww:

LeonHart
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:58 AM
Ah, the usual suspects show up to defend China. Except they don't realize they are making China look worse. Anyways, I'm all for Chinese people immigrating elsewhere if they don't agree with their communist government. However it's just not cool when China people go to Taiwan for vacation (now that the new president has allowed flights from China), then disappear when the tour bus is heading back. These illegal immigrants are stealing jobs from Taiwan citizens, causing the economy to worsen over there. Well it goes to show you how much people like their government in mainland China :tape:

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:16 AM
...
Media cencorship isnt affecting our lifes.For all I know
But if it does affect our lifes we rather not know.
At the end of the day,the goverment is trying to protect us the people...

:eek: This is what I mean. That's absolutely terrifying.

I think the only relationship in the west where that attitude is... healthy is child to parent- and even then, that's with DAMN good parents.

KanSuke
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:26 AM
Ah, the usual suspects show up to defend China. Except they don't realize they are making China look worse. Anyways, I'm all for Chinese people immigrating elsewhere if they don't agree with their communist government. However it's just not cool when China people go to Taiwan for vacation (now that the new president has allowed flights from China), then disappear when the tour bus is heading back. These illegal immigrants are stealing jobs from Taiwan citizens, causing the economy to worsen over there. Well it goes to show you how much people like their government in mainland China :tape:

I heard of that kind of problem. But most of them just want to have a better life here, and they are not gonna get really good jobs cuz they are illegal immigrants. And once they got caught, they'll have to go back.

So this is a problem, but not really that big comparing to all the other problems Taiwan has. :shrug:

olivero
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:56 AM
The only reason why you don't understand is that you believe your media is free and democratic,but it's not sometimes,especially when it comes to China.It's full of propaganda of how bad/repressive/harsh china is with hand-picked/distorted/exaggerated information.Sometimes you don't believe they are fake/distorted/hadn-pocked/exxaggerated because you firmly believe they are fair/free.so,please directly answer me,do you really believe what your media says?:)

:lol:
you're saying Western medias are wrong and full of lies and yet you still think Chinese media are totally correct in everything

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:31 AM
Ah, the usual suspects show up to defend China. Except they don't realize they are making China look worse.
This is the problem being too proud for themselves and trying to save face whatever it can. A bit like some Japanese who defend the Japanese government not to teach at school about what happened during the rape of Nanjing. :(

Anyways, I'm all for Chinese people immigrating elsewhere if they don't agree with their communist government. However it's just not cool when China people go to Taiwan for vacation (now that the new president has allowed flights from China), then disappear when the tour bus is heading back. These illegal immigrants are stealing jobs from Taiwan citizens, causing the economy to worsen over there. Well it goes to show you how much people like their government in mainland China :tape:
I'm totally disagree with you. We are in a global economic downturn so Taiwan is not alone on this. Illegal immigrants doing that kind of things happens everywhere and don't think they cause problem in the Taiwan's economy.

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:35 AM
:lol:
you're saying Western medias are wrong and full of lies and yet you still think Chinese media are totally correct in everything
He doesn't realised that every media has its own bias. :tape: This is why varied the media the better and the Chinese government are not going to give them the various media that we enjoy outside.

Mynarco
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:38 AM
It's a shame to see my home country controlling these, controlling that. You know what? Chinese Government even forces the computers to install "Green Dam", a software to filter the info the government doesn't want their people to know.

Seriously, I do hope HK won't be the same.

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:42 AM
It's a shame to see my home country controlling these, controlling that. You know what? Chinese Government even forces the computers to install "Green Dam", a software to filter the info the government doesn't want their people to know.

Seriously, I do hope HK won't be the same.

I know

Mynarco
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:43 AM
Still I don't want to say anything against my compatriots in this thread :yawn:

Mynarco
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:43 AM
I know

that's why I hate Chinese government more and more.

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:53 AM
This is just sad. We all used to thought redneck Americans are the ignorant of this world. But it seems the Chinese (the ones in the mainland and encourage by the government) are going to that route too.

Harvs
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:55 AM
the chinese government is disgusting.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 11th, 2009, 09:41 AM
This is just sad. We all used to thought redneck Americans are the ignorant of this world. But it seems the Chinese (the ones in the mainland and encourage by the government) are going to that route too.
There is a difference between ignorance (for example, some of our Chinese posters) and wilful ignorance (such as rednecks in America). For the latter there is no fucking excuse, whereas the former doesn't really deserve our contempt. Not for the ignorance, anyway. There are some comments in this thread that wouldn't even be worthy for a 6 year old; I'm doubtful that the Chinese government is entirely to blame for that. There are idiotic people to be found everywhere, certainly, regardless of religious/politic/ethnic background.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 11th, 2009, 09:53 AM
Serious question to follow -

Is anybody here familiar with the Chinese education system? "Anybody", does not include LinLin. Or YouScreamMeCream, for that matter. I'm curious to know how much critical thinking emphasized (or discouraged) in comparison to the Korean(where I'm currently working - not for much longer, thank God) and Canadian education systems.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:17 AM
:lol:
you're saying Western medias are wrong and full of lies and yet you still think Chinese media are totally correct in everything

Your poor logic,I said these things about western media,but I didn't praise Chinese media.The difference between Chinese people and westerners is that all the chinese people know that chinese media is biased(this is not a secret or something,every chinese people knows this)but the westerners firmly believe their media is free/fair:shrug:so when I said these words,your response is just so natural,not strange.:wavey:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:20 AM
He doesn't realised that every media has its own bias. :tape: This is why varied the media the better and the Chinese government are not going to give them the various media that we enjoy outside.

Please point out where and when did I say Chinese media is "perfect" or something?Westerners refuse to admit their media distortion,but willing to point out chinese media is biased.:shrug:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:23 AM
Still I don't want to say anything against my compatriots in this thread :yawn:

There are always three kinds of attitude toward one thing:A:support,B: oppose,C:don't care.so,it's okey to be bold to speak out one's ideas,as long as people won't attacks others and label others are wrong and belive only he/she is right.:wavey:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:24 AM
Please point out where and when did I say Chinese media is "perfect" or something?Westerners refuse to admit their media distortion,but willing to point out chinese media is biased.:shrug:

poor linlin. :awww:

mure
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:29 AM
Western Media are indeed very biased against Chinese.Latest example the recent riots.While it was the unghurs who started all this mess by killing hundrends of innocent han chinese the western media reports blame the chinese government again..Why?For not lettin even more innocent Hans get slaughtered by these animals apparently..:o

FrenchY52
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:29 AM
Just read the whole thread and can't believe some people are so strongly defending censorship and stuff. It sounds much like Eastern Europe years ago. Things will for sure change one day and people will eventually realize that they're not free, but when :unsure:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:31 AM
Western Media are indeed very biased against Chinese.Latest example the recent riots.While it was the unghurs who started all this mess by killing hundrends of innocent han chinese the western media reports blame the chinese government again..Why?For not lettin even more innocent Hans get slaughtered by these animals apparently..:o

not very nice. :o

mure
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:33 AM
u r right..sorry to the animals for comparing them to these scums...

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:34 AM
u r right..sorry to the animals for comparing them to these scums...

u can call them "terriorists", though. :p

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:37 AM
Serious question to follow -

Is anybody here familiar with the Chinese education system? "Anybody", does not include LinLin. Or YouScreamMeCream, for that matter. I'm curious to know how much critical thinking emphasized (or discouraged) in comparison to the Korean(where I'm currently working - not for much longer, thank God) and Canadian education systems.

Considering you have mentioned me,I will say some words here,no matter you will read or not.I am critical towards many many things in China,and I was banned in some forums by some mods:help:.However,people have different ideas shouldn't be given a "deserve our contempt" or something comment. Considering you have called yourself as a "fabulous" teacher,I hope you can understand this and try to be humbler a little bit,this will help you be more welcome in oriental countries.:wavey:Good luck:wavey:

mariahdg
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:37 AM
He doesn't realised that every media has its own bias. :tape: This is why varied the media the better and the Chinese government are not going to give them the various media that we enjoy outside.
as far as I know, the release in Warrior's thread was shared by Fox and Msnbc and the like.
It seems that they're not so varied at the certain time.

Anyway I saw chinese media done far more best than Britain media on equal issue.

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:40 AM
Considering you have mentioned me,I will say some words here,no matter you will read or not.I am critical towards many many things in China,and I was banned in some forums by some mods:help:.However,people have different ideas shouldn't be given a "deserve our contempt" or something comment. Considering you have called yourself as a "fabulous" teacher,I hope you can understand this and try to be humbler a little bit,this will help you be more welcome in oriental countries.:wavey:Good luck:wavey:

still waiting for changing the diaper bc "the babys still crying". :awww:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:43 AM
The mobs are worse than animals:help:Comparing them to animals is a humiliation of animals I even think. ,I have seen some very disturbing pics about young women were cut throat and dead.:sad:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:44 AM
IKnowWhoYouAre,would please stop spamming some unrelated posts here?:o

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:46 AM
The mobs(no matter Han Chinese or ethnic minorities) are worse than animals:help:Comparing them to animals is a humiliation of animals I even think. ,I have seen some very disturbing pics about young women were cut throat and dead.:sad:

what??? i didnt know about this!

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:46 AM
IKnowWhoYouAre,would please stop spamming some unrelated posts here?:o

ok. :rolleyes:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:51 AM
what??? i didnt know about this!

you don't know?really?:speakles:

The mobs used very brutal ways to kill people,some dead bodies were even put in a well.and some bodies were found in corners or in small paths that are not so easy to find.:sad:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:52 AM
ok. :rolleyes:

Thanks:hug:

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:55 AM
you don't know?really?:speakles:

The mobs used very brutal ways to kill people,some dead bodies were even put in a well.and some bodies were found in corners or in small paths that are not so easy to find.:sad:

its so bad. :awww: i heard some got killed. but i didnt know they were killed in this way. :sad:

mariahdg
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:55 AM
Just read the whole thread and can't believe some people are so strongly defending censorship and stuff. It sounds much like Eastern Europe years ago. Things will for sure change one day and people will eventually realize that they're not free, but when :unsure:

Rules is censorship, but censorship is not rules. I guess so :shrug:

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 11:56 AM
China Is very Big in population
If the goverment 'Everyone run around free,We don't care. Haha Let media make us look evil and stupid ad dirty let people go around free like terriorist Cutting peoples throats stoning people shooting people cut off their heads'
I wanna get my shotgun and gun the Animals down I said it!
I am pretty sure I am allowed to? Yay Freedom :rolleyes:
God Just shut it if you don't live in China You don't know the real life of it.
You only giving options Due to the Media!!!!!!!!!!!
The media make the goverment look that bad.
Why not censor certain Medias I am now getting their point
All the media did is making us look bad。When has media benefit us?

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:07 PM
as far as I know, the release in Warrior's thread was shared by Fox and Msnbc and the like.
It seems that they're not so varied at the certain time.

Anyway I saw chinese media done far more best than Britain media on equal issue.

This is why EVERY MEDIA has its own bias I said this before and I say this again. I'm not just say China media all media also I don't just look at British/Western media alone. Atleast I have access to all kinds media without being blocked for political reason. I will look at different views on things before I make my mind.
Anyway, Fox and Msnbc are not the best examples of a varied media around the world because both are from the same country.

KanSuke
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:20 PM
China Is very Big in population
If the goverment 'Everyone run around free,We don't care. Haha Let media make us look evil and stupid ad dirty let people go around free like terriorist Cutting peoples throats stoning people shooting people cut off their heads'
I wanna get my shotgun and gun the Animals down I said it!
I am pretty sure I am allowed to? Yay Freedom :rolleyes:
God Just shut it if you don't live in China You don't know the real life of it.
You only giving options Due to the Media!!!!!!!!!!!
The media make the goverment look that bad.
Why not censor certain Medias I am now getting their point
All the media did is making us look bad。When has media benefit us?

So, what's your point?

mariahdg
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:25 PM
This is why EVERY MEDIA has its own bias I said this before and I say this again. I'm not just say China media all media also I don't just look at British/Western media alone. Atleast I have access to all kinds media without being blocked for political reason. I will look at different views on things before I make my mind.
Anyway, Fox and Msnbc are not the best examples of a varied media around the world because both are from the same country.

What's cause of the bias? the Political reason? economic reason?
How do you know we don't look at different views on things :lol:

yeah, you're right. that's why Chinese gov. never blocks US. media. Kettle and Pot. :tape:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:34 PM
This is why EVERY MEDIA has its own bias I said this before and I say this again. I'm not just say China media all media also I don't just look at British/Western media alone. Atleast I have access to all kinds media without being blocked for political reason. I will look at different views on things before I make my mind.
Anyway, Fox and Msnbc are not the best examples of a varied media around the world because both are from the same country.

Well,there are still some huge differences between Chinese media and Western media:Chinese media trends to show hand-picked news only about domestic information,they seldom change/distort international news,what they do about international news is just translating news as "accurate" as possible from other news agencies.Since I can read both english and chinese news,that's my observation.however,westerner media trends to distort/change/exaggerate/filter news about china,using fake pics sometimes.so,this is an very cunning attack without no real fire.Try to read news in different language if you can.:wavey:

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:38 PM
Nice to hear about what you have said:hug:As long as you refuse to believe what all of your media says,it's a huge progress for me from a westerner.:awww:

The Western Media isn't some sort of (Chinese) Government, they dont tell us exactly what we want to know to change our opinion or fuel disapproval to another country. We live in a democratic society and we believe what we want to believe and feel how we want to feel. For this you cannot blame the 'Evil' Western media.

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:42 PM
So, what's your point?

my point is your name is emabarassing :o
and if really want to me make reply properly
construct some sentences

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Foreigners will always have different views.
we the one who live under the goverment hasnt complain.
Media cencorship isnt affecting our lifes.For all I know
But if it does affect our lifes we rather not know.
At the end of the day,the goverment is trying to protect us the people,We dont see wrong of that.They dont strict how many food we suppose to eat,what time we can go out or when we have sex,what job we do.

GET THIS 'WE JUST WANT A NORMAL LIFE'
STUDY
FUN
SOCIAL
WORK
FAMILY

UNLESS YOU SHOW A BENEFIT OF MEDIA ON CHINA.
THINGS WONT CHANGE.

Turkey attacks China 'genocide'

"Turkey's prime minister has described ethnic violence in China's Xinjiang region as "a kind of genocide".

"There is no other way of commenting on this event," Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

He spoke after a night-time curfew was reimposed in Xinjiang's capital, Urumqi, where Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese clashed last Sunday.

The death toll from the violence there has now risen from 156 to 184, China's state-run Xinhua news agency reports. More than 1,000 people were injured.

Turkey, a predominantly Muslim country, shares linguistic and religious links with the Uighurs in China's western-most region.

"The event taking place in China is a kind of genocide," Mr Erdogan told reporters in Turkey's capital, Ankara.

"There are atrocities there, hundreds of people have been killed and 1,000 hurt. We have difficulty understanding how China's leadership can remain a spectator in the face of these events."

The Turkish premier also urged Beijing to "address the question of human rights and do what is necessary to prosecute the guilty".

Mr Erdogan's comments came a day after Turkish Trade and Industry Minister Nihat Ergun urged Turks to boycott Chinese goods.

Beijing has so far not publicly commented on Mr Erdogan's criticism.

But it said that of the 184 people who died, 137 were Han Chinese.

Uighurs defiant

Earlier on Friday, the Chinese authorities reimposed a night-time curfew in Urumqi.

The curfew had been suspended for two days after officials said they had the city under control.

Mosques in the city were ordered to remain closed on Friday and notices were posted instructing people to stay at home to worship.

But at least two opened after crowds of Uighurs gathered outside and demanded to be allowed in to pray on the holiest day of the week in Islam.

"We decided to open the mosque because so many people had gathered. We did not want an incident," a policeman outside the White Mosque in a Uighur neighbourhood told the AP news agency.

After the prayers, riot police punched and kicked a small group of Uighurs protesters, who demanded the release of men detained after last Sunday's violence, the BBC's Quentin Sommerville says.

Meanwhile, the city's main bus station was reported to be crowded with people trying to escape the unrest.

Extra bus services had been laid on and touts were charging up to five times the normal face price for tickets, AFP news agency said.

"It is just too risky to stay here. We are scared of the violence," a 23-year-old construction worker from central China said.

The violence began on Sunday when a Uighur rally to protest against a deadly brawl between Uighurs and Han Chinese several weeks ago in a toy factory in southern Guangdong province turned violent.

Tensions have been growing in Xinjiang for many years, as Han migrants have poured into the region, where the Uighur minority is concentrated.

Many Uighurs feel economic growth has bypassed them and complain of discrimination and diminished opportunities."

:scratch:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:53 PM
The Western Media isn't some sort of (Chinese) Government, they dont tell us exactly what we want to know to change our opinion or fuel disapproval to another country. We live in a democratic society and we believe what we want to believe and feel how we want to feel. For this you cannot blame the 'Evil' Western media.

It's unrealistic that "we believe what we want to believe and feel how we want to feel" if you only have unright/incomprehensive information about one thing. Acually,your comment is as pale as a piece of paper for me.:wavey:No offence here.:awww:It's just a discussion.:)Hope you can understand me.:hug:

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Turkey attacks China 'genocide'

"Turkey's prime minister has described ethnic violence in China's Xinjiang region as "a kind of genocide".

"There is no other way of commenting on this event," Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

He spoke after a night-time curfew was reimposed in Xinjiang's capital, Urumqi, where Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese clashed last Sunday.

The death toll from the violence there has now risen from 156 to 184, China's state-run Xinhua news agency reports. More than 1,000 people were injured.

Turkey, a predominantly Muslim country, shares linguistic and religious links with the Uighurs in China's western-most region.

"The event taking place in China is a kind of genocide," Mr Erdogan told reporters in Turkey's capital, Ankara.

"There are atrocities there, hundreds of people have been killed and 1,000 hurt. We have difficulty understanding how China's leadership can remain a spectator in the face of these events."

The Turkish premier also urged Beijing to "address the question of human rights and do what is necessary to prosecute the guilty".

Mr Erdogan's comments came a day after Turkish Trade and Industry Minister Nihat Ergun urged Turks to boycott Chinese goods.

Beijing has so far not publicly commented on Mr Erdogan's criticism.

But it said that of the 184 people who died, 137 were Han Chinese.

Uighurs defiant

Earlier on Friday, the Chinese authorities reimposed a night-time curfew in Urumqi.

The curfew had been suspended for two days after officials said they had the city under control.

Mosques in the city were ordered to remain closed on Friday and notices were posted instructing people to stay at home to worship.

But at least two opened after crowds of Uighurs gathered outside and demanded to be allowed in to pray on the holiest day of the week in Islam.

"We decided to open the mosque because so many people had gathered. We did not want an incident," a policeman outside the White Mosque in a Uighur neighbourhood told the AP news agency.

After the prayers, riot police punched and kicked a small group of Uighurs protesters, who demanded the release of men detained after last Sunday's violence, the BBC's Quentin Sommerville says.

Meanwhile, the city's main bus station was reported to be crowded with people trying to escape the unrest.

Extra bus services had been laid on and touts were charging up to five times the normal face price for tickets, AFP news agency said.

"It is just too risky to stay here. We are scared of the violence," a 23-year-old construction worker from central China said.

The violence began on Sunday when a Uighur rally to protest against a deadly brawl between Uighurs and Han Chinese several weeks ago in a toy factory in southern Guangdong province turned violent.

Tensions have been growing in Xinjiang for many years, as Han migrants have poured into the region, where the Uighur minority is concentrated.

Many Uighurs feel economic growth has bypassed them and complain of discrimination and diminished opportunities."

:scratch:

obviously not everyones happy.but for us we are.
UIGHURS IS NEVER HAPPY THEY PROTEST EVERYWHERE EVEN IN US

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:58 PM
It's unrealistic that "we believe what we want to believe and feel how we want to feel" if you only have unright/incomprehensive information about one thing. Acually,your comment is as pale as a piece of paper for me.:wavey:No offence here.:awww:It's just a discussion.:)Hope you can understand me.:hug:

What? :lol:
So you're making excuses for your government, by attacking how we live? It's kinda scary that you dont understand the true meaning of freedom & democracy when you think that every country in the world is spoon fed information by the 'western' media that poisons their minds against the Chinese :rolleyes: I think many here are posting their opposition toward Chinese rule because we care about the Chinese people.

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:59 PM
obviously not everyones happy.but for us we are.
UIGHURS IS NEVER HAPPY THEY PROTEST EVERYWHERE EVEN IN US

Of course they are not happy! They are being told when they can and cant leave the house :unsure:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 12:59 PM
Lol,I have already posted what had Turkish PM said.He was turning black into white,he was bring disgrace on his own face,he was inviting humiliation from the people who still have conscience from the whole world.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:02 PM
What? :lol:
So you're making excuses for your government, by attacking how we live? It's kinda scary that you dont understand the true meaning of freedom & democracy when you think that every country in the world is spoon fed information by the 'western' media that poisons their minds against the Chinese :rolleyes: I think many here are posting their opposition toward Chinese rule because we care about the Chinese people.

OMG,we two should stop talking this.:awww:Apparently we have different ideas:awww::wavey::hug:

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:03 PM
It's pretty black & white to me :scratch:

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:05 PM
They are just poor
and started violence :spit:
my village is poor and they are happy.
this people is never satisfied
they only got restricted in movement is they own fault

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:08 PM
They are just poor
and started violence :spit:
my village is poor and they are happy.
this people is never satisfied
they only got restricted in movement is they own fault

Well then, shouldn't the Chinese government be doing something to help eradicate the poverty, as opposed to imposing time curfews and fueling the violence?

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:09 PM
Of course they are not happy! They are being told when they can and cant leave the house :unsure:

OMG,are you serious?:unsure:During the curfew after the mobs' brutal killings,all the people in the city,no matter Han Chinese,Uighur Chinese,Hui Chinese,Kazaka Chinese and Mongolian Chinese ect, are all asked when they can and can't leave their houses.Gov't needs to control the situation,to capture the mobs and protect the civilians.If you think they were told such thing in normal life then you are:help:.

mure
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Turkish prime minister who denies the Armenian Genocide is talkin about genocide against Ungurs after Ungur mobs killed innocent Hans..Now i've read it all

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:15 PM
Well then, shouldn't the Chinese government be doing something to help eradicate the poverty, as opposed to imposing time curfews and fueling the violence?

OMG,what do you mean to eradicate poverty in this case??Do you mean the who nation should give money to a specific group of people,8million Uighur or 2million Kazak or other ethnic groups?:unsure:Poverty in China is a serious issue,but it's not because they are enithnic group,so they are poor,people in some rural areas,some Han Chinese or other ethnic minorities, are far more poorer than people in Urumqi.How can this be correlated to poverty?:unsure:

PS:China has done a very good job to eradicate poverty,this is one reason why some people in rural areas support the current gov't.:wavey:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Turkish PM is a joke as big as the sky:help:

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:26 PM
OMG,what do you mean to eradicate poverty in this case??Do you mean the who nation should give money to a specific group of people,8million Uighur or 2million Kazak or other ethnic groups?:unsure:Poverty in China is a serious issue,but it's not because they are enithnic group,so they are poor,people in some rural areas,some Han Chinese or other ethnic minorities, are far more poorer than people in Urumqi.How can this be correlated to poverty?:unsure:

PS:China has done a very good job to eradicate poverty,this is one reason why some people in rural areas support the current gov't.:wavey:

Well obviously the government can do sth to help them :weirdo:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Well obviously the government can do sth to help them :weirdo:

OMG,people can't kill others for bailout from gov't:help:And I don't think this is about the issue of poverty.:shrug:You gave a very weird idea here:unsure:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:32 PM
This thread has a huge potential to be moved into chat thread:eek::lol:I will win the who-posts-the-most gold medal apparently:woohoo:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:34 PM
I'm off :wavey:tired:awww:

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM
What? :lol:
So you're making excuses for your government, by attacking how we live? It's kinda scary that you dont understand the true meaning of freedom & democracy when you think that every country in the world is spoon fed information by the 'western' media that poisons their minds against the Chinese :rolleyes: I think many here are posting their opposition toward Chinese rule because we care about the Chinese people.
I don't know about other poster but this is very true about me. If this happened to another country. I just don't give a pissed about it. :o

olivero
Jul 11th, 2009, 01:56 PM
This is why EVERY MEDIA has its own bias I said this before and I say this again. I'm not just say China media all media also I don't just look at British/Western media alone. Atleast I have access to all kinds media without being blocked for political reason. I will look at different views on things before I make my mind.
Anyway, Fox and Msnbc are not the best examples of a varied media around the world because both are from the same country.

Exactly.

Your poor logic,I said these things about western media,but I didn't praise Chinese media.The difference between Chinese people and westerners is that all the chinese people know that chinese media is biased(this is not a secret or something,every chinese people knows this)but the westerners firmly believe their media is free/fair:shrug:so when I said these words,your response is just so natural,not strange.:wavey:

Ok I'm sorry for my simplification, if it's true I'm glad about it. There are no objective medias, but if you have a chance to compare information from different sources you can have more or less real view on every issue. That's why censorship is nothing good.
But you shouldn't be so critical for Western medias. I know they are often making things up and want to shock viewers and I agree they sometimes are biased against China. Yet I know what happened in communist Europe not so long ago. People here had limited access to real news, some unconvinient (for the goverment) news were just blocked and some were shown in a totally wrong way (praising the goverment). Many citisens here really believed that they are being told truth while in fact they were being lied. It's really nothing new, specially in communist countries. The sooner you will realise this the better for you.

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:01 PM
Well obviously the government can do sth to help them :weirdo:

Ciaran :awww:
Goverment cant help them all,The Economic is growing
but the Population is larger.
Goverment is doing step by step to help from central of china which is (us luckily :lol:) then spread help through out.
But do you ever notice it is the ethnic and religious groups who ever complain with violence.
My mums village suffers proverty before.But they are getting better.
they now owns motorbikes i had a ride :cool: and more shops.
helping those who use violence will not be ideal.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:10 PM
my point is your name is emabarassing :o
and if really want to me make reply properly
construct some sentences

This post is unintentionally hilarious.

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:10 PM
Turkey attacks China 'genocide'

"Turkey's prime minister has described ethnic violence in China's Xinjiang region as "a kind of genocide".

"There is no other way of commenting on this event," Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

He spoke after a night-time curfew was reimposed in Xinjiang's capital, Urumqi, where Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese clashed last Sunday.

The death toll from the violence there has now risen from 156 to 184, China's state-run Xinhua news agency reports. More than 1,000 people were injured.

Turkey, a predominantly Muslim country, shares linguistic and religious links with the Uighurs in China's western-most region.

"The event taking place in China is a kind of genocide," Mr Erdogan told reporters in Turkey's capital, Ankara.

"There are atrocities there, hundreds of people have been killed and 1,000 hurt. We have difficulty understanding how China's leadership can remain a spectator in the face of these events."

The Turkish premier also urged Beijing to "address the question of human rights and do what is necessary to prosecute the guilty".

Mr Erdogan's comments came a day after Turkish Trade and Industry Minister Nihat Ergun urged Turks to boycott Chinese goods.

Beijing has so far not publicly commented on Mr Erdogan's criticism.

But it said that of the 184 people who died, 137 were Han Chinese.

Uighurs defiant

Earlier on Friday, the Chinese authorities reimposed a night-time curfew in Urumqi.

The curfew had been suspended for two days after officials said they had the city under control.

Mosques in the city were ordered to remain closed on Friday and notices were posted instructing people to stay at home to worship.

But at least two opened after crowds of Uighurs gathered outside and demanded to be allowed in to pray on the holiest day of the week in Islam.

"We decided to open the mosque because so many people had gathered. We did not want an incident," a policeman outside the White Mosque in a Uighur neighbourhood told the AP news agency.

After the prayers, riot police punched and kicked a small group of Uighurs protesters, who demanded the release of men detained after last Sunday's violence, the BBC's Quentin Sommerville says.

Meanwhile, the city's main bus station was reported to be crowded with people trying to escape the unrest.

Extra bus services had been laid on and touts were charging up to five times the normal face price for tickets, AFP news agency said.

"It is just too risky to stay here. We are scared of the violence," a 23-year-old construction worker from central China said.

The violence began on Sunday when a Uighur rally to protest against a deadly brawl between Uighurs and Han Chinese several weeks ago in a toy factory in southern Guangdong province turned violent.

Tensions have been growing in Xinjiang for many years, as Han migrants have poured into the region, where the Uighur minority is concentrated.

Many Uighurs feel economic growth has bypassed them and complain of discrimination and diminished opportunities."

:scratch:
OMG it seems this things are getting bigger bigger. It not surprise they complain about it since both Turks and Uighurs are from the same root. Since the Turks are very proud about their roots not surprise that they back the Uighurs on this. However, I don't see coming and especially from some who denies the Armenian Genocide and I don't take any credit for the Kurdish problem alone. We all thought tough words about this will come from some western leaders but somehow Turkey wow. :tape: :eek:
However, I do smell an anti-Turkish protest somewhere in China in the next few days. :tape:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:11 PM
China Is very Big in population
If the goverment 'Everyone run around free,We don't care. Haha Let media make us look evil and stupid ad dirty let people go around free like terriorist Cutting peoples throats stoning people shooting people cut off their heads'
I wanna get my shotgun and gun the Animals down I said it!
I am pretty sure I am allowed to? Yay Freedom :rolleyes:
God Just shut it if you don't live in China You don't know the real life of it.
You only giving options Due to the Media!!!!!!!!!!!
The media make the goverment look that bad.
Why not censor certain Medias I am now getting their point
All the media did is making us look bad。When has media benefit us?

Serious question: How old are you?

mariahdg
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:13 PM
Lol,I have already posted what had Turkish PM said.He was turning black into white,he was bring disgrace on his own face,he was inviting humiliation from the people who still have conscience from the whole world.

The Law is the bottom line of the ethics. :wavey:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:15 PM
Considering you have mentioned me,I will say some words here,no matter you will read or not.

Fair enough. Even if I think that you and the other poster I mentioned are completely unequipped to give me what I consider a useful answer on the topic, I probably shouldn't have pointed that out.

I am critical towards many many things in China,and I was banned in some forums by some mods:help:.However,people have different ideas shouldn't be given a "deserve our contempt" or something comment.

This part of your post has resulted from your not understanding me. What I actually said was more alone the lines that people shouldn't show you contempt because you are blindly defensive of your country, because it's not really your fault. Certain information is simply not available to you. And I would be surprised if you were taught to be critical of your country in the first place, though am still waiting for verification on that.

Considering you have called yourself as a "fabulous" teacher,I hope you can understand this and try to be humbler a little bit,this will help you be more welcome in oriental countries.:wavey:Good luck:wavey:

This has nothing to do with anything.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:22 PM
They are just poor
and started violence :spit:
my village is poor and they are happy.
this people is never satisfied
they only got restricted in movement is they own fault

Ciaran :awww:
Goverment cant help them all,The Economic is growing
but the Population is larger.
Goverment is doing step by step to help from central of china which is (us luckily :lol:) then spread help through out.
But do you ever notice it is the ethnic and religious groups who ever complain with violence.
My mums village suffers proverty before.But they are getting better.
they now owns motorbikes i had a ride :cool: and more shops.
helping those who use violence will not be ideal.

Unless something is being lost in translation (always a possibility, and something to keep in mind when having discussions with people who aren't writing in their first language), these particular posts have outed you as a bigot. I'm not really sure why anybody would continue to bother the discussion with the poster at this point. But hey, that's just me. Over and out.

Mynarco
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:30 PM
Come on, Jason, Linlin; let's face the ugly side of our home countries and move forward.
And back to the topic, I just found it unacceptable for my compatriots being denied to have access to ALL information on the net.

This is just a bad joke to me.

(Linlin, please do not mention how bad western media are; I really don't care if you are right, but I just want to see my country to improve but not move backward)

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 02:30 PM
All You do is mocking us so we are glad you wont talk to us again :shrug:
to me you just not here to discuss the issue but to insult any chinese posters who have a huge opinion which you would never agree.SO you just end up insulting them
its understandable you cant agree with us.Does not give you rights to insult us.

mariahdg
Jul 11th, 2009, 03:08 PM
OMG it seems this things are getting bigger bigger. It not surprise they complain about it since both Turks and Uighurs are from the same root. Since the Turks are very proud about their roots not surprise that they back the Uighurs on this. However, I don't see coming and especially from some who denies the Armenian Genocide and I don't take any credit for the Kurdish problem alone. We all thought tough words about this will come from some western leaders but somehow Turkey wow. :tape: :eek:
However, I do smell an anti-Turkish protest somewhere in China in the next few days. :tape:

Turks are subline descendants of Seljuks
Only Turkmen are direct descendant of Turan, and another ethnic speaking Turkic language Kazak think Genghis Khan is their Hero. They are not interested in setting up a East Turkistan country.
Hui the biggest muslim ethnic group in China are Arabian and Hans descendant.

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:01 PM
Anti-Turkey protest?They even don't deserve a protst from me:help:But if they want humiliation by their own,then I feel so sorry for them:awww:

Lin Lin
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:10 PM
Believing others "blind,poisoned,brainwashed,unequipped" itself is a very good example of how ignorant and arrogant people are,they always think others in this ways without knowing themselves clearly.:help:

LeonHart
Jul 11th, 2009, 04:53 PM
China Is very Big in population
If the goverment 'Everyone run around free,We don't care. Haha Let media make us look evil and stupid ad dirty let people go around free like terriorist Cutting peoples throats stoning people shooting people cut off their heads'
I wanna get my shotgun and gun the Animals down I said it!
I am pretty sure I am allowed to? Yay Freedom :rolleyes:
God Just shut it if you don't live in China You don't know the real life of it.
You only giving options Due to the Media!!!!!!!!!!!
The media make the goverment look that bad.
Why not censor certain Medias I am now getting their point
All the media did is making us look bad。When has media benefit us?

In other words, you agree with Jackie Chan.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/18/jackie-chan-chinese-peopl_n_188541.html

:spit:

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:17 PM
I Agreed With Jackie obviously.
We dont brougt our kids up run wild like in england commiting knife crimes and burning up houses.
too much freedom result into a danger society.
again foreigners probaly wont agree.
i only think foreigners even care is because we are the growing economics and vast population,they want to befriend us.

LeonHart
Jul 11th, 2009, 05:57 PM
I Agreed With Jackie obviously.
We dont brougt our kids up run wild like in england commiting knife crimes and burning up houses.
too much freedom result into a danger society.
again foreigners probaly wont agree.
i only think foreigners even care is because we are the growing economics and vast population,they want to befriend us.

Are you really so sure your crime rate is so low? Or is this what the "media" is telling you? All these riots happening in China, I would beg to differ. And how do you think Hong Kong and Taiwan are "chaotic?" Because they have freedom of speech?

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:06 PM
I Agreed With Jackie obviously.
We dont brougt our kids up run wild like in england commiting knife crimes and burning up houses.
too much freedom result into a danger society.
again foreigners probaly wont agree.
i only think foreigners even care is because we are the growing economics and vast population,they want to befriend us.

Knife crimes predominately occur in greater London, which is full of gangs...
And LOL at befriending China! China alienates itself from the rest of the world with the same chip on the shoulder attitude for hundreds of years :rolleyes: 'Look at us, we do nothing to deserve this criticism'.

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:08 PM
freedom of speeche leads to chatic campaigns and more troubles.
It is so hard to have a quiet life with all yous and media.
we just want a normal life :sobbing: we are happy
want freedom? hung yourself or go somewhere else i suggest.

Mynarco
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:09 PM
I Agreed With Jackie obviously.
We dont brougt our kids up run wild like in england commiting knife crimes and burning up houses.
too much freedom result into a danger society.
again foreigners probaly wont agree.
i only think foreigners even care is because we are the growing economics and vast population,they want to befriend us.

^oh gawd. you are the 1st one I've ever heard who agrees Jacky Chan's BS.
What jacky chan's saying IMPLIES that Chinese deserves to be controlled politically/

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Knife crimes predominately occur in greater London, which is full of gangs...
And LOL at befriending China! China alienates itself from the rest of the world with the same chip on the shoulder attitude for hundreds of years :rolleyes: 'Look at us, we do nothing to deserve this criticism'.

I am living in england,our whole family is fearing the streets
that we might die any moment from a gun shot.So yeah pretty much.
maybe it is just the area.

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Maybe you only defend your pathetic excuse of a government, because they are probably monitoring and filtering everything you say...

Mynarco
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:11 PM
freedom of speeche leads to chatic campaigns and more troubles.
It is so hard to have a quiet life with all yous and media.
we just want a normal life :sobbing: we are happy
want freedom? hung yourself or go somewhere else i suggest.

OH GAWD. Can't you see every month many dissidents in China getting arrested in China ONLY BECAUSE they have a different opinion against the ruling government?
You think they are dumbasses, do you?

Ciarán
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:11 PM
I am living in england,our whole family is fearing the streets
that we might die any moment from a gun shot.So yeah pretty much.
maybe it is just the area.

Why move to England & fear death, but have freedom, the right to an opinion and many other benefits, when you can live a happy dictated life in China?

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:12 PM
^oh gawd. you are the 1st one I've ever heard who agrees Jacky Chan's BS.

maybe he was my idol which affected my thoughts.:p

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:12 PM
Maybe you only defend your pathetic excuse of a government, because they are probably monitoring and filtering everything you say...

or maybe because people wants freedom of speeches.We are just delivering to them.
At the end of the day my view is my view.Your is yours.
Nothing is changing

LeonHart
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:23 PM
I am living in england,our whole family is fearing the streets
that we might die any moment from a gun shot.So yeah pretty much.
maybe it is just the area.

Why would you live in such dangerous places as England?! Go back to China...where you have lead toys, poisonous milk, and just all around a variety of "great" products! You don't deserve the benefit of living in a free society :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:30 PM
GREAT QUESTION I Wanted to :haha: But i was forced here BORING STUDIES
THANK YOU FOR ASKING
AFTER I FINISH THE STUDIES I WILL GO BACK TO THE FOOD THE NIGHT LIFE AND FRIENDS AND FAMILY :woohoo:

drake3781
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:31 PM
This post is unintentionally hilarious.


:rolls:

drake3781
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:34 PM
I don't know about other poster but this is very true about me. If this happened to another country. I just don't give a pissed about it. :o


Not sure if I read you correctly. I do care about every group of people. :shrug:

barboza
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:37 PM
How about only hand-picked/distorted/exaggerated information flows in media?:yawn:

That is exactly what the chinese media is doing. :o

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:47 PM
That is exactly what the chinese media is doing. :o

:o

LeonHart
Jul 11th, 2009, 06:55 PM
GREAT QUESTION I Wanted to :haha: But i was forced here BORING STUDIES
THANK YOU FOR ASKING
AFTER I FINISH THE STUDIES I WILL GO BACK TO THE FOOD THE NIGHT LIFE AND FRIENDS AND FAMILY :woohoo:

Why would you be forced to study in such an evil place? Aren't your parents worried you'll be brainwashed by the "western media."

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Why would you be forced to study in such an evil place? Aren't your parents worried you'll be brainwashed by the "western media."

maybe because its in my Auntys Will
who lived there half her life and think we can learn english better.
then i came bored bored why is it so boring i keep asking.

LeonHart
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:09 PM
maybe because its in my Auntys Will
who lived there half her life and think we can learn english better.
then i came bored bored why is it so boring i keep asking.

So if your Aunt's will told you to jump off a bridge you would? :eek:

Mynarco
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:14 PM
^what a shame.

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:19 PM
So if your Aunt's will told you to jump off a bridge you would? :eek:

If you are making a joke.Your not funny and is disrespecting her.
My dad her brother has lots of respect for her.
We all went.3 Years years her chinese husband chinese husband kick us out.He look down on us (Chinese) I guess really evil western influence
thinking they are superior to us.I was dissapointed and angry.
We being treated at underclass in this country.But still we try to have a happy life.

What country do you think we prefer.Where we some peoples eyes rolling at us?
It was better at manchester.But moved than changes.
it was too late for us to just say (GO Back) I wont catch on with chinas studies.My dad need to look for another job.

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:25 PM
So if your Aunt's will told you to jump off a bridge you would? :eek:

:rolleyes:

KanSuke
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:37 PM
If you are making a joke.Your not funny and is disrespecting her.
My dad her brother has lots of respect for her.
We all went.3 Years years her chinese husband chinese husband kick us out.He look down on us (Chinese) I guess really evil western influence
thinking they are superior to us.I was dissapointed and angry.
We being treated at underclass in this country.But still we try to have a happy life.

What country do you think we prefer.Where we some peoples eyes rolling at us?
It was better at manchester.But moved than changes.
it was too late for us to just say (GO Back) I wont catch on with chinas studies.My dad need to look for another job.

You're just twisted.

Things are never too late if you just go for it. You don't like living there(or maybe I should say, you hate living there?), you should really move back to China. Some of what you said are just lame excuses.

You're so not gonna have a better life if your never change thoughts like what you have now.

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 07:51 PM
You're just twisted.

Things are never too late if you just go for it. You don't like living there(or maybe I should say, you hate living there?), you should really move back to China. Some of what you said are just lame excuses.

You're so not gonna have a better life if your never change thoughts like what you have now.

We are not in a fictional story or a film here.
This is real life.I dont hate the people there.I only hate them if they cause trouble or annoying.I am plannin to move back.after i finish my studies,My cousin just finished. shes heading back.everyone who came (not born here) most of them wanted to go back
its easy said and done.You have no idea whats the consequences if we did that.(Well some people can go back,because they have a job house and enough money they can do whatever you want,but for most people its different0
Lame excuses? I REGRET COMING HERE.BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO LIVE ON LIVE.
Happy or sad.Missing your family.My mum hasnt be back to her home for 6years.She regret not seeing her mother for the last time.
Maybe if your born in the a country where your chinese,you wouldnt notice.I know some of the chinese in the forum wasnt born in china .So they have no idea but only get the image of china from the media.

KanSuke
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:01 PM
We are not in a fictional story or a film here.
This is real life.I dont hate the people there.I only hate them if they cause trouble or annoying.I am plannin to move back.after i finish my studies,My cousin just finished. shes heading back.everyone who came (not born here) most of them wanted to go back
its easy said and done.You have no idea whats the consequences if we did that.(Well some people can go back,because they have a job house and enough money they can do whatever you want,but for most people its different0
Lame excuses? I REGRET COMING HERE.BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO LIVE ON LIVE.
Happy or sad.Missing your family.My mum hasnt be back to her home for 6years.She regret not seeing her mother for the last time.
Maybe if your born in the a country where your chinese,you wouldnt notice.I know some of the chinese in the forum wasnt born in china .So they have no idea but only get the image of china from the media.

There are disgusting stuff going on in China, but do you hate China? You're biased.

Since you think finishing your degree there would be a better idea, then what are you complaining about? Life still goes on when it ain't so sweet.

I was born in Taiwan, it's like one of the closest country to China. We see what's good and what's bad about China everyday, but Chinese government is just disgusting. I can't really remember what's the law's name, but it says if Taiwan does or tries to announce independence or whatever kind of stuff like that, they get the "right" to start a war with Taiwan. What's China's right to do that?

LeonHart
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:05 PM
There are disgusting stuff going on in China, but do you hate China? You're biased.

Since you think finishing your degree there would be a better idea, then what are you complaining about? Life still goes on when it ain't so sweet.

I was born in Taiwan, it's like one of the closest country to China. We see what's good and what's bad about China everyday, but Chinese government is just disgusting. I can't really remember what's the law's name, but it says if Taiwan does or tries to announce independence or whatever kind of stuff like that, they get the "right" to start a war with Taiwan. What's China's right to do that?

Because they think they're in the center of the universe :rolleyes:

Hence the name Zhong-guo.

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Because they thing they're in the center of the universe :rolleyes:

Hence the name Zhong-guo.

r u serious? :o

LeonHart
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:09 PM
r u serious? :o

No :angel:

But the Chinese citizens need to open their eyes.

Noctis
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:09 PM
I am leaving this thread.
Going to china on monday seeing my friends and family.
We will just have fun and relax.:cool:

last question.
Do people expect The citizen to Make an uproar and suddenly betray they country and lose faith and start lots lots of civil war.I am getting the idea here people wants the chinese citizen all go to war instead of leaving in peaceful lifes.
And to answer some question before
DEFINITION OF FREEDOM FOR CHINESE CITIZEN IS EAT SLEEP FUN ENOUGH MONEY OF EVERYDAY LIVING CHLDRENS DO WILL IN STUDIES.
THEY HAVE FAITH IN THE GOVERMENT PROTECTING THEM FROM HARM.
IF FOREIGNERS CALLING THEM BLIND OR STUPID.
THEY RATHER REMAIN BLIND AND STUPID

Pasta-Na
Jul 11th, 2009, 08:13 PM
I am leaving this thread.
Going to china on monday seeing my friends and family.
We will just have fun and relax.:cool:

have a safe trip and have fun. :wavey:

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:15 PM
I am living in england,our whole family is fearing the streets
that we might die any moment from a gun shot.So yeah pretty much.
maybe it is just the area.

Where do u live?

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 10:28 PM
I am leaving this thread.
Going to china on monday seeing my friends and family.
We will just have fun and relax.:cool:

last question.
Do people expect The citizen to Make an uproar and suddenly betray they country and lose faith and start lots lots of civil war.I am getting the idea here people wants the chinese citizen all go to war instead of leaving in peaceful lifes.
And to answer some question before
DEFINITION OF FREEDOM FOR CHINESE CITIZEN IS EAT SLEEP FUN ENOUGH MONEY OF EVERYDAY LIVING CHLDRENS DO WILL IN STUDIES.
THEY HAVE FAITH IN THE GOVERMENT PROTECTING THEM FROM HARM.
IF FOREIGNERS CALLING THEM BLIND OR STUPID.
THEY RATHER REMAIN BLIND AND STUPID

Sounds like YouScreamMeCream got a real problem and I'm not talking about Chinese censorship. :tape:

flyingmachine
Jul 11th, 2009, 11:07 PM
If you are making a joke.Your not funny and is disrespecting her.
My dad her brother has lots of respect for her.
We all went.3 Years years her chinese husband chinese husband kick us out.He look down on us (Chinese) I guess really evil western influence
thinking they are superior to us.I was dissapointed and angry.
We being treated at underclass in this country.But still we try to have a happy life.

What country do you think we prefer.Where we some peoples eyes rolling at us?
It was better at manchester.But moved than changes.
it was too late for us to just say (GO Back) I wont catch on with chinas studies.My dad need to look for another job.

Oh dear it seems this guy has very thin skin. People look down at people has very little to do on western influence. I have lots of experience with other Chinese people who look me in fact on family. I remembered when I was at school. I was look down by a Chinese girl who thinks I'm not good enough for her. (I mean to be a friend.) A few Chinese families look down on us so much that there was an inccident Where they said to my mum very insulting things about me and it not something that I done. My mum ending up crying and she is a tough women who be though things that I don't think I can't go though. We don't blame evil influence from the west we blame just these people being narrow minded.
In experience I had a disable person, a black kid called me "Go back to your country." at front of my face is that mean I have to hate them? I look back now laugh and think what a stupid people they are. :lol:

Mynarco
Jul 12th, 2009, 02:36 AM
I am leaving this thread.
Going to china on monday seeing my friends and family.
We will just have fun and relax.:cool:

last question.
Do people expect The citizen to Make an uproar and suddenly betray they country and lose faith and start lots lots of civil war.I am getting the idea here people wants the chinese citizen all go to war instead of leaving in peaceful lifes.
And to answer some question before
DEFINITION OF FREEDOM FOR CHINESE CITIZEN IS EAT SLEEP FUN ENOUGH MONEY OF EVERYDAY LIVING CHLDRENS DO WILL IN STUDIES.
THEY HAVE FAITH IN THE GOVERMENT PROTECTING THEM FROM HARM.
IF FOREIGNERS CALLING THEM BLIND OR STUPID.
THEY RATHER REMAIN BLIND AND STUPID

1. They have faith in the government protecting them from harm? ARE YOU SURE? There are plenty of people in China wanting to protest, but they are not allowed to protest, some of them even getting arrested.

2. Definition of Freedom is not only about this. More than that.

Mynarco
Jul 12th, 2009, 02:41 AM
OH GAWD. My chinese fellows. I can be patriotic and criticize my government at the same time. It's because Chinese government and China are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT IDEAS.

Well, if you guyz are happy about a restricted life provided by your government, and you would even show gratitude to it; I am sorry, I am disappointed SO MUCH.

drake3781
Jul 12th, 2009, 02:45 AM
OH GAWD. My chinese fellows. I can be patriotic and criticize my government at the same time. It's because Chinese government and China are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT IDEAS.

Well, if you guyz are happy about a restricted life provided by your government, and you would even show gratitude to it; I am sorry, I am disappointed SO MUCH.


:hug:

Veritas
Jul 12th, 2009, 12:06 PM
i didn't miss anything. if you're addressing me.

i think they're killin them or whatever because they're tired of being oppressed or being excluded, etc. that's what normally happens when very oppressed people get pissed. they explode. same all over the world.

the point is, they obviously see the han as a conquering people and themselves as the conquered. in that type of world, if you're a han, you're the enemy and a tool of the government which is oppressing them.

That's a very disturbing comment. An implication there is that the a Han Chinese killed by an Uyghur is not as tragic as it'd be if it happened the other way around, because it's totally understandable for a "pissed" and "oppressed" person to "explode" by taking the life of someone - or "whatever" - just because they happen to be a "Han".

Veritas
Jul 12th, 2009, 02:21 PM
OK. Let's hear it from you. I'm genuinely interested in what the Chinese posters think. If there is any China "bashing" (if that's your preferred term for criticism), then it is not initiated by me, but by the Chinese government's actions. I have at several times in my posting history come down against the Western media's one-sided portrayal of China, but this is not to say that the Chinese media's micromanagement is applaudable.

Discussing the issue is not pointless for those not in China... in fact, it is discussion that allows for the truth to emerge. You may have a valid alternative take on the situation that the rest of us are not aware of. What is the "real life" in China?

I'm also very bemused by your strong identification of China with the the Chinese government. Even if we were to criticise the government in this thread, it does not mean we're attacking the country and its culture (except perhaps for the populace's undying subservience to authority? This is my presumption, and I gladly stand to be corrected.) One can love the country and hate the government - my sense is that many such people exist all over the world.

That’s a very good comment and I'll try to respond to it, but keep in mind that what I'm about to say come from my own observations growing up in both Chinese and Western cultures: when the Chinese government is criticized, it may, for the Chinese, appear as a slight against them as a people. So when they defend their government, it's not so much the government they're defending, but their culture and their identity as a race. That's why it's not entirely true when their reactions are dismissed as those of an ignorant bunch who've been "brainwashed" by their government's propaganda.

It's important to understand what led to this. In the past, the Chinese have been humiliated and looked down upon as a race. China is one of the world's oldest civilizations and its history plays a big role in how its people see themselves and their value as a people (not person) in the world around them. Their country was ravaged by “foreign powers” and that feeling, of being subjugated, is still fresh. So when China's economy grew, it was a catalyst for not only improving its standard of living, but restoring its people’s pride as a Chinese race; they’re no longer a weak country bullied by stronger powers, but they’re a superpower in the making who can now afford to drive a hard bargain. And while this intensifies patriotism and unites the people, it’s a double-edged sword that also breeds arrogance.

When a non-Chinese country tells a Chinese that China is the bad guy, it's seen as an affront to the Chinese when those who've oppressed them in the past – the Western powers – are now telling their country what to do. Not only is this seen as an attempt to interfere in China’s domestic issues, it’s an echo of the past where the West forced its way onto Chinese soil with guns and canons. Except this time it’s more subtle, where the West is seen as attempting to re-assert control over China by making it feel that its worth as a country depends on how the West judges it. It makes the Chinese feel as if they’re a second-rate bunch and when the approach taken is to condemn rather than to understand, it’s easier to see why the Chinese are often defensive.

That’s why I find it refreshing that you’re making an attempt to understand the Chinese side. In most cases, the critics don’t even bother, preferring to automatically take the side that’s not Chinese and dismiss the Chinese as an uncivilized bunch. I suppose that's why it's important to realize that there’s a lot of work people need to do before they come to an opinion. The West had conquered and killed millions in its past and so did China, but keep in mind that unlike the West, China’s still in early stages of modernizing itself. It has been less than three decades when Deng Xiao-Peng transformed China into an open market economy, which set the foundations for China's economic growth and its exposure to the outside world. And just as it took centuries for the West to get to where it is through a series of industrializations and revolutions, China cannot catapult itself into that stage in just thirty years. This isn’t to say that China should be excused for what it does, but at the same time it's important to keep that tidbit – and many other factors – in mind when forming an opinion about the country and, by extension, its people.

flyingmachine
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:04 PM
To Veritas;
I know you understand lot of the Chinese mentality. However, what things can we say. Since many just become defensive when something disagree with it. That's pretty much pointless for a discussion. You can't just lied to please then forever. Or just basicly let them being like that even they might ended up hurting themselves or to other people.

Mynarco
Jul 12th, 2009, 04:23 PM
^Thanks veritas. But still, it's a big no-no for chinese government controlling their people like that. I just want to see my countries getting stronger and stronger, but not only in economy and also in the other aspect.

flyingmachine
Jul 12th, 2009, 10:16 PM
^Thanks veritas. But still, it's a big no-no for chinese government controlling their people like that. I just want to see my countries getting stronger and stronger, but not only in economy and also in the other aspect.

I agree.

drake3781
Jul 12th, 2009, 11:34 PM
I agree.


Me too.