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dwynn10
Jul 7th, 2009, 01:43 AM
Watching Roddick's comportment and on-court interview after the final strikes me as how many top female players, including the current Wimby winner, can stand to take lessons from the men on how to lose. The catty/petty refusal to give the winner credit seems to be pretty much absent on the men's side. Don't know why this unattractive behavior appears to be more prevalent among tennis female players, of this generation anyway, than in other sports.

Bijoux0021
Jul 7th, 2009, 02:02 AM
Watching Roddick's comportment and on-court interview after the final strikes me as how many top female players, including the current Wimby winner, can stand to take lessons from the men on how to lose. The catty/petty refusal to give the winner credit seems to be pretty much absent on the men's side. Don't know why this unattractive behavior appears to be more prevalent among tennis female players, of this generation anyway, than in other sports.
I bet your biggest problem with the current female Wimby winner is that she won.:nerner:

Pureracket
Jul 7th, 2009, 02:14 AM
I bet your biggest problem with the current female Wimby winner is that she won.:nerner::haha:

supergrunt
Jul 7th, 2009, 02:32 AM
and that's why roddick has won wimbledon so many times :rolleyes:

Knizzle
Jul 7th, 2009, 02:35 AM
Federer has 15 slams, has been #1 for years and a 19-2 head to head against Roddick. What exactly was Roddick going to say?? "I beat myself today?"

supergrunt
Jul 7th, 2009, 02:38 AM
andy roddick played an amazing match by the way and I'm proud of him :cool:

spartanfan
Jul 7th, 2009, 02:45 AM
Federer has 15 slams, has been #1 for years and a 19-2 head to head against Roddick. What exactly was Roddick going to say?? "I beat myself today?"
*PRICELESS* :lol:

¤CharlDa¤
Jul 7th, 2009, 03:06 AM
Exactly what I was about to say. How conceited would you look if you just lost to the best player of this era 16-14 in the fifth and you said you played like crap?

Roddick was not that talkative in the press conference and while i totally understand his disappointment, his reaction to the journalists wasn't that stellar.

dwynn10
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:16 AM
and that's why roddick has won wimbledon so many times :rolleyes:

Hmm, so unsportmanship = winning? Not a very credible theory, as disproved by the current male Wimby winner. But, hey, you might have something there if we bring the current female Wimby winner into your equation. LOL.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:45 AM
Roddick is not the best example of good behavior

Where you have been these years ?

dreamgoddess099
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:58 AM
Watching Roddick's comportment and on-court interview after the final strikes me as how many top female players, including the current Wimby winner, can stand to take lessons from the men on how to lose.

Well when all you do is lose (like Roddick since 2003) I guess you have no choice but to be good at it. Serena doesn't need to pick those habits.

Caillou
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:03 AM
or you could look at venus, and compliment her behaviour regarding defeat; rather, you focus on the negatives..kinda typical for many posters

Black Mamba.
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:03 AM
Well when all you do is lose (like Roddick since 2003) I guess you have no choice but to be good at it. Serena doesn't need to pick those habits.

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ElusiveChanteuse
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:22 AM
Definitely not from Federer (AO 2009).:angel:

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:23 AM
^^^ :lol: :rolls:

Christinawww
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:28 AM
Also, Roddick seemed like he wanted to complain about hawkeye decisions all the time - he didn't look like somebody who believe that the point being shown was the one just played. Not a good attitude.
He was very good during the trophy presentation yes.
And a last question: why is the current wimbledon winner being critisized for being a bad loser and not giving the winner credit?? When was the last time she lost a final and gave a speech on court as a loser? Miami - and as far as I remember she gave Vika credit.

jubliant11
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:29 AM
Roddick being used as a model of sportmanship. As many times as he has whined and cried and been horrible on court.

dreamgoddess099
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:32 AM
Definitely not from Federer (AO 2009).:angel:

I don't think the OP had a problem with Federer at AO 09. Apparently when men cry it's a sign of humility, I guess it's only seen as being a sore loser when the women do it.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:40 AM
I'm sorry but Roddick had no choice but to give all credit to Roger. 15 slams speaks a lot. That's why I find it entertaining when people gets so annoyed when Serena doesn't bend over backwards to give credit to her opponent. She and everyone who knows tennis knows she's better than everyone when she plays well (she doesn't even have to play her best to beat everyone).

At the end of the day tennis is a sport where the players are out to win, and if the best players in the world sit back and not own up to being the best, what sense would that make? Screw all this humble stuff, these multimillion dollar world champions are from from humble which is one of the key components of why they win, keep it real.

Roookie
Jul 7th, 2009, 05:45 AM
Roddick is the Dementieva of the ATP tour. In his post-match SF interview he said "let's not make mistake, he (Murray) is been a better player than me in the past year". :spit:

Serenita
Jul 7th, 2009, 06:14 AM
Watching Roddick's comportment and on-court interview after the final strikes me as how many top female players, including the current Wimby winner, can stand to take lessons from the men on how to lose. The catty/petty refusal to give the winner credit seems to be pretty much absent on the men's side. Don't know why this unattractive behavior appears to be more prevalent among tennis female players, of this generation anyway, than in other sports.
Have you ever watch Roddick play tennis?

vadin124
Jul 7th, 2009, 06:37 AM
Roger Federer is 50x worse for never giving credit to opponents, even than Serena Williams...

so don't give me this BS

Sally Struthers
Jul 7th, 2009, 06:38 AM
Women are always bitchier when it comes to competitive events. When men play it's over when the match is done. Women are more emotional, take things personally, and hold grudges even weeks or years after the match is over. :help:

bandabou
Jul 7th, 2009, 06:51 AM
:lol: So now this fool is comparing the Wimbledon RU to the Wimbledon WINNER???!! OMG!!

Bijoux0021
Jul 7th, 2009, 07:30 AM
:lol: So now this fool is comparing the Wimbledon RU to the Wimbledon WINNER???!! OMG!!
I'm pretty sure this fool was just using Roddick as an excuse in order to bash Serena.

In The Zone
Jul 7th, 2009, 08:12 AM
The thing that is always left out when talking about how "gracious the men are" is that they have disgusting and ruthless behavior on the court. Remember Del Potro and Murray last year's clay season? Then, they get to the net, they hug and talk nice in the press conferences. It is all fake. I'd rather people be real then be ridiculous like the men.

toxina90
Jul 7th, 2009, 10:45 AM
Exactly what I was about to say. How conceited would you look if you just lost to the best player of this era 16-14 in the fifth and you said you played like crap?

Roddick was not that talkative in the press conference and while i totally understand his disappointment, his reaction to the journalists wasn't that stellar.

If I had had that many set points to lead Federer 2 sets in the Wimbledon final and not converted, I too might have been a bit gutted :help: and the last thing I would want to do is explain my humiliation to a bunch of journalists.

Andy.
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:26 AM
Watching Roddick's comportment and on-court interview after the final strikes me as how many top female players, including the current Wimby winner, can stand to take lessons from the men on how to lose. The catty/petty refusal to give the winner credit seems to be pretty much absent on the men's side. Don't know why this unattractive behavior appears to be more prevalent among tennis female players, of this generation anyway, than in other sports.
Cattiness, bitchiness and the diva behaviour is part of what makes womens tennis so appealing. The men are too nice to ech other and get on too well.

Temporary0369
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:35 AM
Serena would never make "I played 10%" comments at a slam. When Maria won Wimbledon Serena was right at net with a huge smile congratulating her. Losses to Venus differ slightly (I'm not sure why she keeps saying Wimbledon '08 was her turning point) but that obviously has 20 some odd years of history behind it.

As far as etiquette on the ATP, the men's tour is dominated by Federer crying whenever he loses a slam final. Players making damaging remarks then hugging at the net like they're closer than ever because of the dispute. Federer wearing jackets that assume he has already won another slam. And "jokes" that are clearly what the player wants to say seriously. Like at the ceremony this Wimbledon when Federer was like oh I know what it's like to lose here and Roddick "jokingly" and contemptuously said you already have 5 of em!

I'd rather have Patty Schnyder do a fake out at net than have Gulbis publicly denounce someone as a cheater then be chummy afterwards.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:58 AM
:yawn:

Europe rocks
Jul 7th, 2009, 12:23 PM
The bitchfights and cattiness between the women is what makes the WTA Tour more fun. On the men's tour, they're always saying how lovely their opponents are and how they're so amazing, who wants to hear that?

spartanfan
Jul 7th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Roger Federer is 50x worse for never giving credit to opponents, even than Serena Williams...

so don't give me this BS

You have obviously never listened to Roger give a pre-match or post-match interview. He is a study in class and sportsmanship and always finds something kind and positive to say about his opponents. I've grown to be more of an admirer of Andy Roddick as a person more so than as a tennis player. He's got a great game, it's just not terribly exciting, but in his interviews he tends to be very humble, truthful with where his game currently is and the skill of his opponents. But he always give you something to laugh about in his interviews, he has a great sense of humor.

BlameSerena
Jul 7th, 2009, 03:06 PM
You have obviously never listened to Roger give a pre-match or post-match interview. He is a study in class and sportsmanship and always finds something kind and positive to say about his opponents. I've grown to be more of an admirer of Andy Roddick as a person more so than as a tennis player. He's got a great game, it's just not terribly exciting, but in his interviews he tends to be very humble, truthful with where his game currently is and the skill of his opponents. But he always give you something to laugh about in his interviews, he has a great sense of humor.

Roger can be complimentary, but as someone who listens to him talk more than I watch him play, he is certainly Cocky, and has no problem acknowledging his greatness...which doesn't bother me at all, but it is something he does.

Serenita
Jul 7th, 2009, 03:14 PM
You have obviously never listened to Roger give a pre-match or post-match interview. He is a study in class and sportsmanship and always finds something kind and positive to say about his opponents. I've grown to be more of an admirer of Andy Roddick as a person more so than as a tennis player. He's got a great game, it's just not terribly exciting, but in his interviews he tends to be very humble, truthful with where his game currently is and the skill of his opponents. But he always give you something to laugh about in his interviews, he has a great sense of humor.
yes he have much love for djoko and murray:lol:

ghost world
Jul 7th, 2009, 03:20 PM
LOL

You have to ignore half of the shit that goes down to draw the OP's conclusion.

darrinbaker00
Jul 7th, 2009, 03:20 PM
The bitchfights and cattiness between the women is what makes the WTA Tour more fun. On the men's tour, they're always saying how lovely their opponents are and how they're so amazing, who wants to hear that?
People who enjoy sports more than "reality" television, that's who.

The Witch-king
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:24 PM
You are saying Serena should act like Roddick?? The same guy who swears at umpires and shouted at his opponent "You're not good enough to be so cocky!" DURING a match?

God I hope not.

I'm glad Most WTA players not named Azarenka act with more dignity on court than that guy.

The Daviator
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:31 PM
Roddick, who has abused umpires and linejudges countless times, is an example of etiquette that Serena should follow, Serena who has had one altercation with an umpire in her whole career (and she was completely right to complain on that occasion)? :spit:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:33 PM
People who enjoy sports more than "reality" television, that's who.

newsflash, people don't tune into sports to see friends...people like to see bitchiness between two players...maria serena is hardly a rivalry but the pure bitchiness of them both makes any match excitin

Donny
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:43 PM
People who enjoy sports more than "reality" television, that's who.

Then I'd suggest you ignore player press conferences. Not very much tennis being played in those.

AcesHigh
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Henin, Serena, Safina and others have all displayed classless behavior. If you like bitchfights, cattiness, and controversy, I'm not sure a sport like tennis where our athletes are supposed to show grace and class is the best sport for you to follow.

Fed, Nadal, Roddick and others have all shown great sportsmanship. People bitching about certain instances are doing just that.. picking out a few instances. As someone who has followed Roddick, Federer and Nadal throughout their careers they have all been classy players. Only Federer has hesitated to give credit to his opponent at times, but 99% of the time he has been gracious in his interviews and congratulatory of his opponents.

Donny
Jul 7th, 2009, 04:58 PM
Henin, Serena, Safina and others have all displayed classless behavior. If you like bitchfights, cattiness, and controversy, I'm not sure a sport like tennis where our athletes are supposed to show grace and class is the best sport for you to follow.

Fed, Nadal, Roddick and others have all shown great sportsmanship. People bitching about certain instances are doing just that.. picking out a few instances. As someone who has followed Roddick, Federer and Nadal throughout their careers they have all been classy players. Only Federer has hesitated to give credit to his opponent at times, but 99% of the time he has been gracious in his interviews and congratulatory of his opponents.

Roddick's cursed at umps, gotten into arguments with lines people, and talked trash to opponents while changing ends. Repeatedly.

Just this Sunday, he interrupted fed's acceptance speech to make a joke.

The guy's an asshole. Anyone who criticizes Safina or Serena while citing him as a good sport is on crack.

ghost world
Jul 7th, 2009, 08:33 PM
Henin, Serena, Safina and others have all displayed classless behavior. If you like bitchfights, cattiness, and controversy, I'm not sure a sport like tennis where our athletes are supposed to show grace and class is the best sport for you to follow.

Fed, Nadal, Roddick and others have all shown great sportsmanship. People bitching about certain instances are doing just that.. picking out a few instances. As someone who has followed Roddick, Federer and Nadal throughout their careers they have all been classy players. Only Federer has hesitated to give credit to his opponent at times, but 99% of the time he has been gracious in his interviews and congratulatory of his opponents.

:rolleyes:

Try harder next time.

To be continued
Jul 7th, 2009, 08:42 PM
Majority of times I watch WTA…they appear to be a bunch of ignorant cows

Stomping off after losing, ignoring fans who’ve spent their hard earned cash to go to the tournaments, all the squealing during the matches, I put it down to the way they’ve been dragged up…

Black Mamba.
Jul 7th, 2009, 08:47 PM
All say this, it is much easier to be classy if you're winning.

To be continued
Jul 7th, 2009, 08:50 PM
Henin, Serena, Safina and others have all displayed classless behavior. If you like bitchfights, cattiness, and controversy, I'm not sure a sport like tennis where our athletes are supposed to show grace and class is the best sport for you to follow.

Fed, Nadal, Roddick and others have all shown great sportsmanship. People bitching about certain instances are doing just that.. picking out a few instances. As someone who has followed Roddick, Federer and Nadal throughout their careers they have all been classy players. Only Federer has hesitated to give credit to his opponent at times, but 99% of the time he has been gracious in his interviews and congratulatory of his opponents.

Excellent Post....

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 7th, 2009, 08:57 PM
Nishikori did suffer bullying on court from this douche Roddick last year in San Jose

Ferg
Jul 7th, 2009, 09:09 PM
Nishikori did suffer bullying on court from this douche Roddick last year in San Jose

Really? What happened?

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 7th, 2009, 09:16 PM
it was roddick...take your pick of what he did

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 7th, 2009, 09:25 PM
Henin, Serena, Safina and others have all displayed classless behavior. If you like bitchfights, cattiness, and controversy, I'm not sure a sport like tennis where our athletes are supposed to show grace and class is the best sport for you to follow.

Fed, Nadal, Roddick and others have all shown great sportsmanship. People bitching about certain instances are doing just that.. picking out a few instances. As someone who has followed Roddick, Federer and Nadal throughout their careers they have all been classy players. Only Federer has hesitated to give credit to his opponent at times, but 99% of the time he has been gracious in his interviews and congratulatory of his opponents.

i smell it...can anyone else smell it...*sniff sniff*


ahh that's what it is... :bs:

roddick is an arrogant prick who got humbled because he's not longer considered one of the top threats...he constantly bitches at umpires and makes rude remarks to his opponents

federer is not openly arrogant but as his fan i like him because of those underhanded comments he makes...federer will applaud you in one sentence but then the next sentence talk about himself or how he has figured out his opponents game

nadal uses the "i beat myself" excuse frequently, just not in those words....

if anything it's the men who are two timing, back stabbing bitches who need to learn some class...

no one wants to watch a sport like tennis where there's no smack talking, bitchiness or catiness, underhanded comments unless you want to watch golf...it's why tennis has a whole new set of fans, and why fans can now keep a whole lot of noise instead of just a tiny applause...McEnroe and Connors were characters that kept people entertained...the money seen in tennis now is because characters draw people, not politically correct robots

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 7th, 2009, 09:33 PM
Really? What happened?

Well not exactly bullying :p but he acted like an ass in a match against Nishikori cos the japaneses was the player of the moment those days after his first title


Roddick easily beats Japanese teen star Kei Nishikori to reach SAP Open quarterfinals

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) -- Top-seed Andy Roddick easily defeated Japanese teen star Kei Nishikori 6-2, 6-4 to advance to to the quaterfinals in SAP Open on Thursday.

Roddick needed just 63 minutes to defeat Nishikori, who saw his eight-match ATP win streak snapped by the No. 6 player in the world.

Roddick opened the match by taking a commanding 3-0 lead and breaking Nishikori's serve before the youngester won a game. Roddick, who's won twice at the SAP Open, came back after losing that game to win the next two including breaking the teen's serve again.

In the seventh game of the first set, the Roddick barked at the young player as they exchanged shots at the net. Nishikori held his cool and didn't respond and just walked away.

"I didn't understand a word he said," Nishikori said. But when pressed he acknowledged that he did in fact understand what Roddick had shouted at him but just didn't want to repeat it before the press.

But Roddick had no trouble repeating what he had said. "I told him to stick me with it the next time. I just let him know that he needs to finish it. I had no problem with it. But it was a monologue."

Roddick, who's has stated that he wants to be more aggressive this season proceeded to win the next game to win the first set.

In the second set, Roddick broke Nishikori service in the fourth game but Nishikori came to break Roddick in the next.

In their final game, Nishikori took Roddick to deuce before making two critical errors. He missed an easy slam shot that would have given him the advantage and then saw his saw his volley go wide that gave Roddick the match.

"I made too many easy mistakes," Nishikori said. "I didn't take advantage of the many chances I had. But overall I was happy with the way I played.

Nishikori seemed to defend well against Roddick's overbearing serve. Roddick was able to only land seven aces.

"It was one the best matches I've played in some time," Roddick said. "I was a little tight coming into the match. But I'm very impressed with him."

Roddick wanted to make his presence known to young player by trying to distract him by not using his service as his big weapon and by trying to play between the lines.

"Things were happening for him without him thinking so I wanted him to think about other stuff and not how well he's playing," he said. "There was nothing personal in it. He's probably not that happy with me for doing that. But I don't need any young friends."



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Here you have the reactions on MTF ----> http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=118089&highlight=nishikori+roddick

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 7th, 2009, 09:48 PM
i smell it...can anyone else smell it...*sniff sniff*


:haha:

BlameSerena
Jul 7th, 2009, 09:55 PM
Personally, I like the drama at times. It's good "theater" if the tennis itself doesn't do it for you. I think that's why having an array of personalities is good for any sports organization.

dybbuk
Jul 7th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Roddick being shown as a model for WTA players? I can't even count all the times I've seen him curse at umpires (I distinctly remember a "FUCK YOU!" after winning a point against Andreev once, it was directed at the umpire for what Roddick thought was a bad call against him the point before), disrespect opponents (He was making faces while Gulbis spoke after beating him at the USO last year), and overall just be an ass. I can't think of one top WTA player who is as bad as he is.

Ferg
Jul 7th, 2009, 10:03 PM
Yeah, that sounds pretty bad to be saying anyway, and then you have to take into account its to a young player who could possibly be rattled by it even more then some of the others.

Reckoner
Jul 7th, 2009, 10:21 PM
WjN4KfTORF0

darrinbaker00
Jul 7th, 2009, 11:00 PM
WjN4KfTORF0
The chair umpire used the word "again" when he issued his warning, which suggests to me that the crowd was told not to use flash photography at least once before. The person who took the photograph was out of pocket, not Andy Roddick.

dwynn10
Jul 8th, 2009, 05:37 AM
The bitchfights and cattiness between the women is what makes the WTA Tour more fun. On the men's tour, they're always saying how lovely their opponents are and how they're so amazing, who wants to hear that?

The bitchfests on the WTA tour may be fun for some to watch, but women's tennis lags behind the men's substantially in terms of TV ratings. The women's Wimby final drew a rating of 3.4 vs. 4.2 for the men's final - that's a 23.5% drop.

Inktrailer
Jul 8th, 2009, 06:41 AM
Once again it all comes down to individuals, NOT a dividing line of men and women.

OFf the top of my head, we established that it was Taylor Dent at Wimbledon who shouted 'You fucking slut' at a female line judge, right? As much as I love him, Fernando Gonzalez disputed a call in the clay season and when the umpire confirmed it, he got down and used his arse to rub away the mark:lol:

Federer with all of his get-up is not ettiquette, it's arrogance and self-promotion. Murray has his outbursts, Roddick certainly does (including his constant throwing of towels at ballboys without even looking at the them which annoys me personally) and the men are constantly ranting and swearing on court. Novak Djokovic to the press when the bookmakers were making Murray more likely to win the AO than him this year? "Look at his ranking, then look at my ranking."

Then there are a lot of ways to demonstrate ettiquette, class and grace in players in both the WTA and ATP, and also the exact opposite, but with so many players involved you're going to get that, in both camps.